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@@johnpetkos5686 Καλος ειναι. Αλλα τον χανω σε αρκετα σημεια. Για το επιπεδο του , θα επρεπε να εχει αλλες τοποθετησεις και για τον Ιακωβο τον αδερφο του Ιησου αλλα και για την ελλειψη αποδειξεων γενικα οτι υπηρξε.
I thought it was a typo that this video was listed as 10 hours when I started, and was actually an hour- halfway thru so far, and applaud History Valley for bringing the impeccable & generous scholarship of Bart Ehrman to the masses 👍🏽
I like that Bart is self-possessed and kind enough to tell people where to look in the Bible for messages on current issues. That just seems like a really wholesome thing for an atheist and former believer to be doing. I doubt he uses the Bible anymore for comfort or to win points in debates, but he doesn’t judge others for doing so; instead he helps them find what they’re looking for. What a swell example to set.
The bible has a lot of useful information, the problem is that we were sold on the idea that it was the inerrant word of God much like the Catholics were sold on the idea of the infallibility of the Pope. This added another layer of authority & control but it's two sides of the same coin, it's government control, whether it comes from the Pope or from the King, they are in agreement with each other, the appearance of separation is just to keep us divided and fighting with each other so we will be too distracted to notice who the real enemy is. In the Tower of Babble story for example, it says that God saw that when UNITED there was nothing that people could not accomplish, so God allegedly said, I will confuse their language so that they do not understand each other, BINGO, mission accomplished! To this day, the rulers are still dividing us so that we can be more easily conquered.
@Truth.is.winning If people were UNITED in worshipping God or doing good to others, then it puts a positive spin on the story. So being UNITED is not necessarily a bad thing. It depends on what people's intentions are, which is subjective. In the gospels, Jesus said that you should sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor so you can earn riches in heaven. You never see any pastor or priest doing that. Certainly not the rich people. In fact, the Pope himself is more affluent than many believers. So the bottomline is, lessons in the Bible can be interpreted in many ways. There is no feedback mechanism from God as to whether your interpretations are correct.
Transcript, please! Especially for the names of the German scholars of the 1920s, and some mainly German common nouns, in order to interrogate these persons and concepts elsewhere. Only a humble suggestion.
The "Acts of Thomas" may contain some legendary material, but I don't think Bart can back up his assertion that Thomas' trip to India itself was legendary. There are many good reasons why Thomas may well have gone to India, since most of the St. Thomas Christians in the world live in India today. We know that the apostles traveled as far west as Spain and that they traveled quite far to the east (Armenia, Georgia). There was commercial sea traffic to India in that day, and Thomas might well have taken one of those ships to India.
At the 10:07:30 mark, I believe Bart betrays an almost complete lack of awareness of the extremely mystic nature of Essene worship, as shown, for example, in the Thanksgiving Hymn. The Essene worshippers were emotionally transported to such a high level of ecstasy that they vividly envisioned themselves worshipping God in the heavenly throne room, beside the angels! This Essene worship is extremely reminiscent of the extreme Christian mystical worship, for example, in the Charismatic Christian and Pentecostal Churches.
Regarding baptism by fire, the account of Enoch's ascension noted the presence of fire, (and God as being aflame with fire) in the throne room. There are some other similar ascension accounts. This, it seems to me, is most likely to be the source of the idea of baptism with fire - - when one ascends to the highest heaven or when one enters the heavenly throne room. The fringe idea that everyone would be burned alive in flames at the end of the world has a much weaker scriptural basis.
I want a Bart Ehrman lecture on a time when one forgery fought another. Like, I want the back and forth of a Pseudo Paul vs Pseudo James flame war or something. I’m sure such things happened whether or not they survived. I wonder if any apocrypha (or even any of the canon) is like this; just liar vs liar in a theological debate. Edit: I just got to the section on gnostic vs Greek Peter. Here’s some action. I gotta read the book where he talks about this.
Bart says: "I think that the Essenes had a very physical understanding of the apocalyptic world view." This may be correct with respect to their (expected) war with Rome. However, it is incorrect with respect to the overall meaning of "apocalyptic" (i.e., ascents of Enoch, etc.), which were far more spiritual (and in some respects, Jewish gnostic) than physical. see the writings of Gabriele Boccacini regarding the highly spiritual nature of Essenism, and how it set the stage for Christian spirituality. They were nearly one and the same. John Baptist provides the bridge between the Essenes and Jesus.
Explained: The Church concocted a passion narrative story and pasted and glued it to the Jewish Bible and then during translation from Greek to Latin to English mistranslated and added and took away and separated the Jewish Bible and inserted the Jesus agenda which caused the reader to miss important verses and allowed the reader to take the Jewish Bible completely out of context. Christendom in a nutshell. You’re welcome.
If you discard The New Testament, you might as well discard TANACH as a collection of absurd stories without any factual evidence to substantiate them. I have always found it most disingenuous that Judaism declared its adherents to be "God's Chosen People" when recorded history proved otherwise. I think it's very sad that Bart Ehrman's scholarship led him down the rabbit hole of atheism, which I believe is more absurd than even the most outrageous stories in today's "Holy Bible". I have spent my life trying to understand the Creator of everything visible and invisible, and I truly believe our Creator is infinitely merciful and eternally loving of mankind. Instead of trying to authenticate Jesus's true nature, I have found it most helpful simply to pray the prayer he taught his disciples and live each day loving God, my fellow man, and myself.😇
Look at the conclusions of Matthew and Mark. Compare the teachings in Matthew to the conclusion of Matthew - perfect fit. Compare the teachings of Jesus in Mark to the conclusion of Mark - is it as consistent as Matthew? Is it different than Matthew? Use you God given brains folks!
@@TheDanEdwards Yes, but for what end? The solution is easy once you realize we've all inherited lies from our "faith fathers" in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. The disinformation is a pox on humanity and it's time we faced the facts. Read: Romans Proves Paul Lied - Have We Inherited Lies From Our Fathers?
@@TheDanEdwards I'm thinking of Bart - whom I have followed for years - I wish he'd use his mind towards solutions to the problems caused by altered and faked scriptures.
according to the bible Jesus was the God appointed king of the Jews which means according to the bible the pharisees surrendered the Jews to Rome and following the pattern of prophecy and miracles from the old testament the resurrection will be fulfilled when the Jews are delivered from Rome
But now Christians actually believe Jesus is that God who ķìĺ. ĺed those children in cold blood. But it's weird because even though they do believe Jesus is that God they still hold on to the Marcian view about the God of the Old Testament unknowingly. They always separate Jesus from God of the Old Testament the first words out of a Christians mouth is that's the Old Testament we don't follow that. But they use the Old Testament to prove Jesus divinity. But it's clear all they care about is the verses they believe pertain to Jesus. They speak as if it's another God of the Old Testament and Jesus is the one who is the caring and loving God.
I always saw the personality change of God, from the Old to New Testament as God changing his tactics. He’d tried the ‘stick’ approach, it didn’t work. So while he’s down on Earth as a human he decided to give us the ‘carrot’ approach instead. I never believed there was a good reason why Christians say that God never changes his mind when there is that as an example, as well as God realising he was wrong to flood the Earth.
1. "Our only info about Jesus comes from the New Testament" 2. "So let me tell you all about Jesus before the New Testanent." 3.(Anyone see a problem here?)
Because the books of the New Testament were not written in Jesus' lifetime, but decades later. If he existed, he lived before the New Testament was compiled.
@@WayWalker3 No serious historian believes it even remotely plausible Jesus "did not exist," and the consensus as to when the gospels were writtrn has more to do with the stodgy fear of academics being ostracized for disagreeing with a "consensus" dating that is very flimsy as to any cogent factual basis. Most scholars nowadays will concede that Jesus' prediction re. the temple's destruction would have been a slam dunk for any perceptive 'prophet' circa 30 a.d., I.e., the assumption the apocalypse of Mark's gosoel had to have been inked into the Jesus natrative ex post facto is not honestly sustainable, which means that THE DATING OF MARK C.70+ IS ALTOGETHER GROUNDLESS AND ARBITRARY (!) This makes the common sense view far more likely: Mark was penned circa 40-45. Perhaps even as an abbreviation of Peter's preaching, penned post-Matthew. It is even possible John was written first! The "consensus" on gospel dating I'm afraid is heading for the rubbish heap of New Testanent history, along with the colored bead ranking fiasco and the ludicrously counterintuitive 'ctiterion of embarassment' lol!
Talk about the moral message of the New Testament! The success of Christianity has led to Western civilization being built on a moral foundation based on love of others. That did not exist before the New Testament because religion reflected human vanity. Mankind's inate cruelty and depravity doesn't go away because of a book, but neither does getting lost in the weeds talking about how the "story" references ancient myths and who wrote what part first.
Comment on 2:10:00 Reading is power. I just saw a TikTok of a conservative who switched political sides because he read a book about red lining in school. He learned facts, history, and empathy. This is what conservatives don't want their voters educated. Also, I once went to a church that didn't have hymnals or Bibles and the priest literally said that it was his job to interpret scripture for everyone and it wasn't necessary for us to read it. I never went back to that church. What a joke.
Does anyone else has problem with one statement by Bart in first part of video; so literacy in Roman empire was 10%, from that small part was ones who knew both how to write and read, and even smaller part was ones who knew compose books. And then half of those are ones who knew and composed in Greek. Then than, in span of 2-4 centuries, hundreds of those people decided to believe in Christianity and compose books for it. Especially 4 Gospels, which would mean 4 highly educated people were writing for Christian church in same time span, aldo it was small cult. I guess it is not impossible, but kinda strange.
Bart may have erred in definitely stating that none of Jesus' early followers wrote anything down about him. Why? Because not everyone at the time was incapable of reading & writing. Some certainly were, even if they might have only written relatively brief stories about him, perhaps in the form of letters or diaries. The fundamental error I believe Bart has committed is this: "Absence of evidence does not imply evidence of absence." I find it highly unlikely that the words of and stories about Jesus were not written down at an early date. More likely, there were various short passages written by various followers, and these were probably collected at some point and made their way into the Q document.
Yet no remains have ever appeared of writings which could have been attributed to Jesus and later references from the NT writers suggest that he only spoke occasionally in public for 2-3 . years . It is suggested that either he could read and knew the Jewish Bible or may have simply listened to the Jewish Rabis as most Christians today derive their beliefs not from first hand knowledge of the Bible but from what they are taught from an early age. It begs the question as to why, if this religion and this God was so important for his "creation" he left it to this imperfect humankind to relay his message !
@@frankd2392 I think you may be underestimating the intelligence of Jesus and his close disciples. Even if not all of them could read/write, some of them could have had some of Yeshua's sayings written down by a scribe. Someone in each village could have the ability to read & write.
@@robinstevenson6690 I made no comment or judgement on the intelligence levels. From the evidence we have this was simply a comment on the lack of writing by the original sources of the stories written by others.
The interviewer seemed like he couldn't be any less interested in the discussion. He even had those long sighs before asking another question. Sheesh. Drink a coffee or something
We've all been duped by the lies - altered scriptures - from Judaism and Rome. See: "Romans Proves Paul Lied - Have We Inherited Lies From Our Fathers?" There was no fall, blood is not required to forgive sins, and Jesus' teachings were restoring what Judaism had taken away from us by altering the words of God. Jesus was renewing the Covenant Standards of Elohim.
If blood is not required to forgive sins... Then why did he have to die on the cross? Are you claiming that Jesus did not die for our sins? If someone had to pay, that's not FORGIVENESS, a forgiven debt doesn't need to be paid.
@stephen-f9h It leaves us with "the Original Jesus", who was proven now to have been inspired by God the Father to be retelling the Original and Unaltered Standards from the Sinai Covenant that was altered many centuries before he came along. The Hebrew "Scriptures" are a joke. See: "The Origin of Judaism", and "Why the Bible Began." See "The Moses Scroll" and "The Valediction of Moses". It isn't rocket theology - it's observing the words of God and some common sense.
@@barnsweb52 Elohim is the plural of Eloh. IOW the gods. This is correct in as much as you don’t know what it means. In the late Bronze Age the last Hittite king married a high priestess of Canaan and she was essentially his contract lawyer. The reason he needed a high priestess is because there were 3000 gods he had to deal with, but only about 70 in the Elohim, which his wife was familiar with. Nonetheless the fact that she knew how to make concessions for a great numbers of gods that she could write contracts the did not offend people. As the last Hittite his kingdom was replaced by syroanatolian city states, most of the gods had disappeared but each city state had to deal with a variety of gods. It was pointed out in one of the letters that nearby kings wanted priests of fledgling cites to anoint them to give them authority. This is the first recognition of anointment in ANE. But it made sense, the kingship ceremony of past required a priestess of Inanna and Uruk was 5 city states away. The NeoAssyrian further developed the Covenent code for vassals, as both Israel and Judea were. Again Assyria had a high god Asshur but these were part of an older Mesopotamian pantheon. When Israel is brought in as a vassal then its god(s) become part of the Vassal Covenent. In Deu 32:8 original version as found in the DSS this process of pantheon inclusion is presented.
@stephen-f9h No, what we have is the truth, as directly inspired by God to tell us in ways that 'put legs' to the Instructions Elohim gave to start with. What we have is the true light of the words of God that defy the lies that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam have been trying to sell us for hundreds of years. What we have is enlightenment of the true purpose of life and the path of equity that Elohim said we will be blessed in our coming to this life, and in our leaving this life. God makes perfect sense - unlike Paul and the Rabbis'.
@@Darisiabgal7573 You need to read the 3000 year old translation of the Shapira scrolls - He said His name is Elohim, and that He is not the only God, but God of gods. Look them up and see for yourself before you make such ignorant comments to be fact.
Ehrman didn't even see that Jesus predicted His own death and resurrection in Mark's gospel cause he has stated that Mark shows that Jesus was chocked that God could let it happen to Him. And other things. So how could he explain the New Testament...
About to start this, given it’s 10 hours please tell me that he doesn’t get greedy with the ads on this one and goes with every half hour not every 5 minutes (or every 3 minutes like he’s been known to do) Given others use these videos to sleep like I do then believe me, going half hour works better as not having to skip means we stick with it and it plays in full with the ads playing in full if they’re spaced out enough
Seriously Jacob, every 5 minutes for the ads on a 10 hour video man!!!! Why so greedy, change it up to half an hour brother and I’ll come back You don’t get paid as much on skipped ads anyway, go half an hour and those of us who sleep to the videos will let the ads play in full, even while awake
RUclips placed most of the adds in the 1-2 hours automatically, I took a look and didn't realize how close together they were, I fixed it and removed several.
This is one of my favorite ridiculous passages in Matthew. The Lord said to my Lord. Why would David say that? Does anyone read the title of Psalm 110? Sometimes the Psalms are by David and sometimes there of David meaning about David. In Hebrew it is rendered as follows: לְדָוִ֗ד מִ֫זְמ֥וֹר A transliteration would be "l'dahveed mizmor". Of David a psalm. This is different for example in Psalm 22 which is clearly assalm written by David. The authorship is rendered as follows: מִזְמ֥וֹר לְדָוִֽד The transliteration of the Hebrew is "mizmor l'dahveed". This translates to a psalm of David meaning written by David. But even more the Hebrew words for Lord and Lord are two different words. This is such an absolute scam perpetrated by the church. Anyone can look at the Hebrew even if you don't read Hebrew a notice that the word for Lord is different in the passage. The first usage is the tetragrammaton, the holy ineffable name of God. The second is transliterated as "adonee" which means my master. So the psalmist is speaking about David God is telling David something and to the psalmist David is his Lord. Not Lord in the sense of he is a divine being but in the sense of the Old English Lord and Lady. David is the king he is therefore the earthly Lord of the psalmist. Goodness gracious this is such a clear one and yet you'll find Christians talking about this one when they try to proselytize Jews. Of course these missionaries cannot read or speak Hebrew...
And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?'" He will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen. Surah Al-Maidah Full Quran.
The new testament was mostly written by someone name Paul it was written far after the time of Jesus. Paul was Someone who literally said I robbed other churches, taking wages of them, to do you service Corinthians 11:8 . and also said, To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law 1 Corinthians 9:20. So ya make sure that you don't follow the new testament as its for sure not a book from God. Only the Quran is trust me.,.
O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allah aught but the truth. The Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah and His Word, ("Be!" - and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Ruh) created by Him; so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not: "Three (trinity)!" Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allah is (the only) One Ilah (God), Glory be to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is All-Sufficient as a Disposer of affairs. Quran.
And [mention, O Muhammad], when your Lord said to the angels, "Indeed, I will make upon the earth a successive authority." They said, "Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood, while we declare Your praise and sanctify You?" Allah said, "Indeed, I know that which you do not know." Surah Al-Baqarah Full Quran.
وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا الْإِنْسَانَ مِنْ سُلَالَةٍ مِنْ طِينٍ ﴿۱۲﴾ We created the human from an essence of clay: (12) ثُمَّ جَعَلْنَاهُ نُطْفَةً فِي قَرَارٍ مَكِينٍ ﴿۱۳﴾ then We made him, a drop, in a secure receptacle (the womb). (13) ثُمَّ خَلَقْنَا النُّطْفَةَ عَلَقَةً فَخَلَقْنَا الْعَلَقَةَ مُضْغَةً فَخَلَقْنَا الْمُضْغَةَ عِظَامًا فَكَسَوْنَا الْعِظَامَ لَحْمًا ثُمَّ أَنْشَأْنَاهُ خَلْقًا آخَرَ فَتَبَارَكَ اللَّهُ أَحْسَنُ الْخَالِقِينَ ﴿۱۴﴾ Then We created of the drop, a clot (of congealed blood) and We created the clot into bitesize tissue, then We created the bitesize tissue into bones, then We clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it an other creation. Blessed is Allah, the Best of creators! (14) ثُمَّ إِنَّكُمْ بَعْدَ ذَلِكَ لَمَيِّتُونَ ﴿۱۵﴾ After that you shall surely die, (15) ثُمَّ إِنَّكُمْ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ تُبْعَثُونَ ﴿۱۶﴾ and be resurrected on the Day of Resurrection. (16)
And you had already known about those who transgressed among you concerning the sabbath, and We said to them, "Be apes, despised." Surah Al-Baqarah Full Quran.
3 things to consider; the Gospels are fictional dramatizations, they are they gift of a Divine Providence, Jesus was baptized in repentance for the remission of sin.
Have you read Spinoza? Do you understand Spinoza's God?. Spinoza understood God exists, I understand God exists and you can understand. To understand God exists you have to understand the atheist logical fallacy. Atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is the religious idea of the creator of the creation to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. Atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is "sky daddy" to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. Atheists misreason "sky daddy doesn't exist therefore god doesn’t exist, and all the arguments that point to the existence of god have to be wrong". To understand God exists you have to understand the kalam cosmological argument: what has a beginning of existence has a cause because from nothing can not be created something. Logically it is impossible the existence of an infinite number of causes, therefore an eternal first uncaused cause that created what has a beginning of existence exists. Did you understand why God exists? God exists because logically it is impossible the existence of the creation or finitude without the creator or infinitude!. If you pay attention you will realize atheists and religious people defend an idea without any arguments. The horrible reality that atheists and religious people sell doesn't exist!. To end the war the discovery that atheism is a logical fallacy has to be news. I am trying to overcome an unjust censorship. Thank you.
Spinoza believed the God of his ideas existed. He did not know i.e. have evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, that such a god existed. What you refer to as his 'understanding', simply means that he held a particular position of acceptance of a concept of his god in his mind. It doesn't mean that god actually exists, as it's still a claim to faith, as it is not falsifiable any more than spiritual snowdrops exist on Alpha Centauri.
Spinoza was excommunicated from his Jewish community because they believed his concepts were too Atheistic. To monotheists, pantheism is akin to atheism.
How about all the other figures who were said to be crucified and resurrected after death, all the other Greek mythology’s, Jesus story was not unique.
Bart Ehrman DEBUNKED | Answering the Fool - This video deals with many of the common arguments put forth by the infamous Dr. Bart Ehrman and demonstrates his deep-seated bias towards the Christian faith is the actual driving force behind his conclusions and not scholarly research. Proverbs 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own eyes. 😊
Al-Qur'an reveals the real Jesus without painfully going through uncertain hypotheses/ theories by historians like Bart Ehrman. Read for example Al-Qur'an, 5:72-77.
@@BassBouncers Hardly. But anyone who's spent years stidying NT historical scholarship knows the extent his grifts are sophomoric oversimplifications and outright lies. Perhaps you don't mind being lied to or even believing lies--practicallyban American tradition--but I've always intensely disliked it. And as an ex-evangelical--which is what he is--his oily demeanor and contrived jocularity pretty much give away his game. Even his reasons for embracing atheism are either intellectually disingenuous, logically dubious or just plain boneheaded. Check it out.
Just cut the crap Bart. Matthew alone was in Aramaic. It was reported to have been accepted by two or three Jewish Christian sects before 40 CE. It was reported to be the collective effort of documentation by the original disciples well before 40 CE. They did not have to write it - chances are good someone volunteered to document it for them, or someone else paid for them to document it. Most of your arguments stem from what the Rabbi said - not what the Christians said. Stop your incessant giggling and get serious sometime. Onediscipletoanother
How do you know Matthew was wriiten in Aramaic?Where is it "reported"? What 2 or 3 sects? And how do you know who those people were or how they saw Jesus? The only evidence we have doesn't agree with you. We have surviving gospels, none provide evidence for your arguments
@@mjt532 You will not hear this from current 'scholars' as they depend upon 'peer review' that agrees with other peers. It's based on evidence that they dare not put together - because the evidence exposes the lie, who lied, when they lied, and why they lied. Anyone who is beholden to publishers will not tell the real truth. Much was destroyed and altered before 400 CE - starting before 100 CE by those who believed Paul, and excluding those who they were trying to destroy. See the book "Romans Proves Paul Lied". Evidence is we all have altered texts from Judaism and Christianity - it's overwhelming evidence. The book exposes Romans, covers the Sermon on the Mount from the Hebrew and Aramaic texts pre 160 CE, and the 3000 year old account of the Covenant Standards found in the Shapira scrolls. Noted are high level scholarship from Jewish scholars - Harvard and Oxford - evidence from over 100 years of archelogy to prove the Hebrew accounts are greatly mythologized.
@stephen-f9h The gospel of Matthew was either written in Aramaic or Hebrew. Even Jerome acknowledged this and said the original was still known to be in a certain library. So when was it first said that the gospel of Matthew was originally in Greek?! It's a patent lie. Those from Papias to Jerome say otherwise.
@stephen-f9h Take that up with Andrew Gabriel Roth, who gave us the "Aramaic English New Testament", Papias, and Jerome - as well as Paul Harvey. It's also shown on a chart of the History of the New Testament Canon on my website - on the first page is a link to it. Christian scholarship is WAY behind the Jewish scholars who wrote the books mentioned. "The Origins of Judaism" - just read the chapter: "Conclusions".
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For some reason, I could sit and listen to this man all day. His gift of imparting fascinating knowledge is simply unmatched!
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@@johnpetkos5686 Καλος ειναι. Αλλα τον χανω σε αρκετα σημεια. Για το επιπεδο του , θα επρεπε να εχει αλλες τοποθετησεις και για τον Ιακωβο τον αδερφο του Ιησου αλλα και για την ελλειψη αποδειξεων γενικα οτι υπηρξε.
Funny how at the same time, there are ppl on the opposite end of the spectrum😅😂
@@johnpetkos5686 Αξιοπιστος ειναι, αλλα απορω με μερικες απο τις θεσεις του, δεν θα επρεπε καν να εχει φτασει σε τετοιο conclusion.
10 hours with Bart Ehrman? Sold 👍
There's a sucker born every minute. He's not credible. And he's a grifter.
I thought it was a typo that this video was listed as 10 hours when I started, and was actually an hour- halfway thru so far, and applaud History Valley for bringing the impeccable & generous scholarship of Bart Ehrman to the masses 👍🏽
I like that Bart is self-possessed and kind enough to tell people where to look in the Bible for messages on current issues. That just seems like a really wholesome thing for an atheist and former believer to be doing. I doubt he uses the Bible anymore for comfort or to win points in debates, but he doesn’t judge others for doing so; instead he helps them find what they’re looking for. What a swell example to set.
The bible has a lot of useful information, the problem is that we were sold on the idea that it was the inerrant word of God much like the Catholics were sold on the idea of the infallibility of the Pope. This added another layer of authority & control but it's two sides of the same coin, it's government control, whether it comes from the Pope or from the King, they are in agreement with each other, the appearance of separation is just to keep us divided and fighting with each other so we will be too distracted to notice who the real enemy is. In the Tower of Babble story for example, it says that God saw that when UNITED there was nothing that people could not accomplish, so God allegedly said, I will confuse their language so that they do not understand each other, BINGO, mission accomplished! To this day, the rulers are still dividing us so that we can be more easily conquered.
@Truth.is.winning
If people were UNITED in worshipping God or doing good to others, then it puts a positive spin on the story. So being UNITED is not necessarily a bad thing. It depends on what people's intentions are, which is subjective.
In the gospels, Jesus said that you should sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor so you can earn riches in heaven. You never see any pastor or priest doing that. Certainly not the rich people. In fact, the Pope himself is more affluent than many believers.
So the bottomline is, lessons in the Bible can be interpreted in many ways. There is no feedback mechanism from God as to whether your interpretations are correct.
I could listen to stuff like this all day and frequently do. Thanks!
Ehrman has said things which show that he doesn't even read the Bible carefully before he comments on its content though...
@@sandrapihlskott3262Please provide examples please to motivate your claim!??
Thanks!
10 hours completed. Currently half way through the second watch
This video has to be "cut" in chapters with timestamps
After that, it's gonna blow up the whole internet
Great job anyways!
I added some in the description.
Transcript, please! Especially for the names of the German scholars of the 1920s, and some mainly German common nouns, in order to interrogate these persons and concepts elsewhere. Only a humble suggestion.
The "Acts of Thomas" may contain some legendary material, but I don't think Bart can back up his assertion that Thomas' trip to India itself was legendary. There are many good reasons why Thomas may well have gone to India, since most of the St. Thomas Christians in the world live in India today.
We know that the apostles traveled as far west as Spain and that they traveled quite far to the east (Armenia, Georgia). There was commercial sea traffic to India in that day, and Thomas might well have taken one of those ships to India.
This is outstanding! Thank you both for such a great interview!
This is outstanding. What a gift!
Great 👍
Supercut. Cool
I have an extremely vivid memory of standing in front of the TV and watching the second plane hit the south tower. It’s probably bullshit.
Or luke was written later . He said it like the date Luke was written is certain . It’s not
10 hours completed. Now repeat to revise.
At the 10:07:30 mark, I believe Bart betrays an almost complete lack of awareness of the extremely mystic nature of Essene worship, as shown, for example, in the Thanksgiving Hymn. The Essene worshippers were emotionally transported to such a high level of ecstasy that they vividly envisioned themselves worshipping God in the heavenly throne room, beside the angels!
This Essene worship is extremely reminiscent of the extreme Christian mystical worship, for example, in the Charismatic Christian and Pentecostal Churches.
Regarding baptism by fire, the account of Enoch's ascension noted the presence of fire, (and God as being aflame with fire) in the throne room. There are some other similar ascension accounts.
This, it seems to me, is most likely to be the source of the idea of baptism with fire - - when one ascends to the highest heaven or when one enters the heavenly throne room.
The fringe idea that everyone would be burned alive in flames at the end of the world has a much weaker scriptural basis.
I want a Bart Ehrman lecture on a time when one forgery fought another. Like, I want the back and forth of a Pseudo Paul vs Pseudo James flame war or something. I’m sure such things happened whether or not they survived. I wonder if any apocrypha (or even any of the canon) is like this; just liar vs liar in a theological debate.
Edit: I just got to the section on gnostic vs Greek Peter. Here’s some action. I gotta read the book where he talks about this.
8:47:32 he meant to say the alexandrian form is older not the Byzantine which is more edited.
Bart says: "I think that the Essenes had a very physical understanding of the apocalyptic world view." This may be correct with respect to their (expected) war with Rome. However, it is incorrect with respect to the overall meaning of "apocalyptic" (i.e., ascents of Enoch, etc.), which were far more spiritual (and in some respects, Jewish gnostic) than physical.
see the writings of Gabriele Boccacini regarding the highly spiritual nature of Essenism, and how it set the stage for Christian spirituality. They were nearly one and the same. John Baptist provides the bridge between the Essenes and Jesus.
Explained:
The Church concocted a passion narrative story and pasted and glued it to the Jewish Bible and then during translation from Greek to Latin to English mistranslated and added and took away and separated the Jewish Bible and inserted the Jesus agenda which caused the reader to miss important verses and allowed the reader to take the Jewish Bible completely out of context.
Christendom in a nutshell.
You’re welcome.
If you discard The New Testament, you might as well discard TANACH as a collection of absurd stories without any factual evidence to substantiate them. I have always found it most disingenuous that Judaism declared its adherents to be "God's Chosen People" when recorded history proved otherwise. I think it's very sad that Bart Ehrman's scholarship led him down the rabbit hole of atheism, which I believe is more absurd than even the most outrageous stories in today's "Holy Bible". I have spent my life trying to understand the Creator of everything visible and invisible, and I truly believe our Creator is infinitely merciful and eternally loving of mankind. Instead of trying to authenticate Jesus's true nature, I have found it most helpful simply to pray the prayer he taught his disciples and live each day loving God, my fellow man, and myself.😇
Look at the conclusions of Matthew and Mark. Compare the teachings in Matthew to the conclusion of Matthew - perfect fit.
Compare the teachings of Jesus in Mark to the conclusion of Mark - is it as consistent as Matthew? Is it different than Matthew? Use you God given brains folks!
"Use you God given brains folks!"
@@TheDanEdwards Yes, but for what end? The solution is easy once you realize we've all inherited lies from our "faith fathers" in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. The disinformation is a pox on humanity and it's time we faced the facts. Read: Romans Proves Paul Lied - Have We Inherited Lies From Our Fathers?
@@TheDanEdwards I'm thinking of Bart - whom I have followed for years - I wish he'd use his mind towards solutions to the problems caused by altered and faked scriptures.
according to the bible Jesus was the God appointed king of the Jews which means according to the bible the pharisees surrendered the Jews to Rome and following the pattern of prophecy and miracles from the old testament the resurrection will be fulfilled when the Jews are delivered from Rome
But now Christians actually believe Jesus is that God who ķìĺ. ĺed those children in cold blood. But it's weird because even though they do believe Jesus is that God they still hold on to the Marcian view about the God of the Old Testament unknowingly. They always separate Jesus from God of the Old Testament the first words out of a Christians mouth is that's the Old Testament we don't follow that. But they use the Old Testament to prove Jesus divinity. But it's clear all they care about is the verses they believe pertain to Jesus. They speak as if it's another God of the Old Testament and Jesus is the one who is the caring and loving God.
I always saw the personality change of God, from the Old to New Testament as God changing his tactics.
He’d tried the ‘stick’ approach, it didn’t work. So while he’s down on Earth as a human he decided to give us the ‘carrot’ approach instead. I never believed there was a good reason why Christians say that God never changes his mind when there is that as an example, as well as God realising he was wrong to flood the Earth.
1. "Our only info about Jesus comes from the New Testament"
2. "So let me tell you all about Jesus before the New Testanent."
3.(Anyone see a problem here?)
Because the books of the New Testament were not written in Jesus' lifetime, but decades later. If he existed, he lived before the New Testament was compiled.
@@WayWalker3 No serious historian believes it even remotely plausible Jesus "did not exist," and the consensus as to when the gospels were writtrn has more to do with the stodgy fear of academics being ostracized for disagreeing with a "consensus" dating that is very flimsy as to any cogent factual basis.
Most scholars nowadays will concede that Jesus' prediction re. the temple's destruction would have been a slam dunk for any perceptive 'prophet' circa 30 a.d.,
I.e., the assumption the apocalypse of Mark's gosoel had to have been inked into the Jesus natrative ex post facto is not honestly sustainable, which means that THE DATING OF MARK C.70+ IS ALTOGETHER GROUNDLESS AND ARBITRARY (!)
This makes the common sense view far more likely: Mark was penned circa 40-45. Perhaps even as an abbreviation of Peter's preaching, penned post-Matthew. It is even possible John was written first!
The "consensus" on gospel dating I'm afraid is heading for the rubbish heap of New Testanent history, along with the colored bead ranking fiasco and the ludicrously counterintuitive 'ctiterion of embarassment' lol!
No. -Historians
@OMJ_the_Show Which he obviously is not one, aside from his blatant dishonesty.
"Jesus before the New Testament": id est "Historical background of the New Testament."
Time stamp anyone?
I added some in the description.
It just occurred to me that James is Jesus’ half brother as Joseph was allegedly not Jesus’ father. I wonder who Jesus’ actual father was?
Talk about the moral message of the New Testament! The success of Christianity has led to Western civilization being built on a moral foundation based on love of others. That did not exist before the New Testament because religion reflected human vanity. Mankind's inate cruelty and depravity doesn't go away because of a book, but neither does getting lost in the weeds talking about how the "story" references ancient myths and who wrote what part first.
Comment on 2:10:00 Reading is power. I just saw a TikTok of a conservative who switched political sides because he read a book about red lining in school. He learned facts, history, and empathy. This is what conservatives don't want their voters educated. Also, I once went to a church that didn't have hymnals or Bibles and the priest literally said that it was his job to interpret scripture for everyone and it wasn't necessary for us to read it. I never went back to that church. What a joke.
Trying to answer some questions.
Most scholars are clueless or just repeating each other.
It's a good thing AI can digest videos now. You don't need to watch the whole 10 hours.
Does anyone else has problem with one statement by Bart in first part of video; so literacy in Roman empire was 10%, from that small part was ones who knew both how to write and read, and even smaller part was ones who knew compose books. And then half of those are ones who knew and composed in Greek. Then than, in span of 2-4 centuries, hundreds of those people decided to believe in Christianity and compose books for it. Especially 4 Gospels, which would mean 4 highly educated people were writing for Christian church in same time span, aldo it was small cult. I guess it is not impossible, but kinda strange.
The writers were all Anonymous, so anyone's assumptions are as good as everyone else's.
Read Bart’s book, The Triumph of Christianity!
Bart may have erred in definitely stating that none of Jesus' early followers wrote anything down about him. Why? Because not everyone at the time was incapable of reading & writing. Some certainly were, even if they might have only written relatively brief stories about him, perhaps in the form of letters or diaries.
The fundamental error I believe Bart has committed is this: "Absence of evidence does not imply evidence of absence."
I find it highly unlikely that the words of and stories about Jesus were not written down at an early date. More likely, there were various short passages written by various followers, and these were probably collected at some point and made their way into the Q document.
Yet no remains have ever appeared of writings which could have been attributed to Jesus and later references from the NT writers suggest that he only spoke occasionally in public for 2-3 . years . It is suggested that either he could read and knew the Jewish Bible or may have simply listened to the Jewish Rabis as most Christians today derive their beliefs not from first hand knowledge of the Bible but from what they are taught from an early age. It begs the question as to why, if this religion and this God was so important for his "creation" he left it to this imperfect humankind to relay his message !
@@frankd2392 I think you may be underestimating the intelligence of Jesus and his close disciples. Even if not all of them could read/write, some of them could have had some of Yeshua's sayings written down by a scribe. Someone in each village could have the ability to read & write.
@@robinstevenson6690 I made no comment or judgement on the intelligence levels. From the evidence we have this was simply a comment on the lack of writing by the original sources of the stories written by others.
The interviewer seemed like he couldn't be any less interested in the discussion. He even had those long sighs before asking another question. Sheesh. Drink a coffee or something
We've all been duped by the lies - altered scriptures - from Judaism and Rome. See: "Romans Proves Paul Lied - Have We Inherited Lies From Our Fathers?" There was no fall, blood is not required to forgive sins, and Jesus' teachings were restoring what Judaism had taken away from us by altering the words of God. Jesus was renewing the Covenant Standards of Elohim.
If blood is not required to forgive sins...
Then why did he have to die on the cross?
Are you claiming that Jesus did not die for our sins?
If someone had to pay, that's not FORGIVENESS, a forgiven debt doesn't need to be paid.
@stephen-f9h It leaves us with "the Original Jesus", who was proven now to have been inspired by God the Father to be retelling the Original and Unaltered Standards from the Sinai Covenant that was altered many centuries before he came along. The Hebrew "Scriptures" are a joke. See: "The Origin of Judaism", and "Why the Bible Began." See "The Moses Scroll" and "The Valediction of Moses". It isn't rocket theology - it's observing the words of God and some common sense.
@@barnsweb52 Elohim is the plural of Eloh. IOW the gods. This is correct in as much as you don’t know what it means. In the late Bronze Age the last Hittite king married a high priestess of Canaan and she was essentially his contract lawyer. The reason he needed a high priestess is because there were 3000 gods he had to deal with, but only about 70 in the Elohim, which his wife was familiar with. Nonetheless the fact that she knew how to make concessions for a great numbers of gods that she could write contracts the did not offend people. As the last Hittite his kingdom was replaced by syroanatolian city states, most of the gods had disappeared but each city state had to deal with a variety of gods. It was pointed out in one of the letters that nearby kings wanted priests of fledgling cites to anoint them to give them authority. This is the first recognition of anointment in ANE. But it made sense, the kingship ceremony of past required a priestess of Inanna and Uruk was 5 city states away. The NeoAssyrian further developed the Covenent code for vassals, as both Israel and Judea were. Again Assyria had a high god Asshur but these were part of an older Mesopotamian pantheon. When Israel is brought in as a vassal then its god(s) become part of the Vassal Covenent. In Deu 32:8 original version as found in the DSS this process of pantheon inclusion is presented.
@stephen-f9h No, what we have is the truth, as directly inspired by God to tell us in ways that 'put legs' to the Instructions Elohim gave to start with. What we have is the true light of the words of God that defy the lies that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam have been trying to sell us for hundreds of years. What we have is enlightenment of the true purpose of life and the path of equity that Elohim said we will be blessed in our coming to this life, and in our leaving this life. God makes perfect sense - unlike Paul and the Rabbis'.
@@Darisiabgal7573 You need to read the 3000 year old translation of the Shapira scrolls - He said His name is Elohim, and that He is not the only God, but God of gods. Look them up and see for yourself before you make such ignorant comments to be fact.
Unacceptable how many adds are in this video..
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Ehrman didn't even see that Jesus predicted His own death and resurrection in Mark's gospel cause he has stated that Mark shows that Jesus was chocked that God could let it happen to Him. And other things. So how could he explain the New Testament...
Jesus’ words. Gospel of Thomas. Solved…
59:00 BART REALLY PUT EMPHASIS ON THOSE WORDS.
About to start this, given it’s 10 hours please tell me that he doesn’t get greedy with the ads on this one and goes with every half hour not every 5 minutes (or every 3 minutes like he’s been known to do)
Given others use these videos to sleep like I do then believe me, going half hour works better as not having to skip means we stick with it and it plays in full with the ads playing in full if they’re spaced out enough
Seriously Jacob, every 5 minutes for the ads on a 10 hour video man!!!! Why so greedy, change it up to half an hour brother and I’ll come back
You don’t get paid as much on skipped ads anyway, go half an hour and those of us who sleep to the videos will let the ads play in full, even while awake
RUclips placed most of the adds in the 1-2 hours automatically, I took a look and didn't realize how close together they were, I fixed it and removed several.
This is one of my favorite ridiculous passages in Matthew. The Lord said to my Lord. Why would David say that? Does anyone read the title of Psalm 110? Sometimes the Psalms are by David and sometimes there of David meaning about David. In Hebrew it is rendered as follows:
לְדָוִ֗ד מִ֫זְמ֥וֹר
A transliteration would be "l'dahveed mizmor". Of David a psalm. This is different for example in Psalm 22 which is clearly assalm written by David. The authorship is rendered as follows:
מִזְמ֥וֹר לְדָוִֽד
The transliteration of the Hebrew is "mizmor l'dahveed". This translates to a psalm of David meaning written by David. But even more the Hebrew words for Lord and Lord are two different words. This is such an absolute scam perpetrated by the church. Anyone can look at the Hebrew even if you don't read Hebrew a notice that the word for Lord is different in the passage. The first usage is the tetragrammaton, the holy ineffable name of God. The second is transliterated as "adonee" which means my master. So the psalmist is speaking about David God is telling David something and to the psalmist David is his Lord. Not Lord in the sense of he is a divine being but in the sense of the Old English Lord and Lady. David is the king he is therefore the earthly Lord of the psalmist. Goodness gracious this is such a clear one and yet you'll find Christians talking about this one when they try to proselytize Jews. Of course these missionaries cannot read or speak Hebrew...
RIP Apologetics 🥀
And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?'" He will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen.
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Quran.
Koran is a comic book full of laughs and mistakes. Even in the above, its author got things wrong.
O mankind! Worship your Lord (Allah), Who created you and those who were before you so that you may become Al-Muttaqun (the pious - see V. 2:2).
The new testament was mostly written by someone name Paul it was written far after the time of Jesus. Paul was Someone who literally said I robbed other churches, taking wages of them, to do you service Corinthians 11:8 . and also said, To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law 1 Corinthians 9:20. So ya make sure that you don't follow the new testament as its for sure not a book from God. Only the Quran is trust me.,.
Mamma Mia 10 horas!!!
O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allah aught but the truth. The Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah and His Word, ("Be!" - and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Ruh) created by Him; so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not: "Three (trinity)!" Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allah is (the only) One Ilah (God), Glory be to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is All-Sufficient as a Disposer of affairs.
Quran.
And [mention, O Muhammad], when your Lord said to the angels, "Indeed, I will make upon the earth a successive authority." They said, "Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood, while we declare Your praise and sanctify You?" Allah said, "Indeed, I know that which you do not know."
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@stephen-f9h
وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا الْإِنْسَانَ مِنْ سُلَالَةٍ مِنْ طِينٍ ﴿۱۲﴾ We created the human from an essence of clay: (12) ثُمَّ جَعَلْنَاهُ نُطْفَةً فِي قَرَارٍ مَكِينٍ ﴿۱۳﴾ then We made him, a drop, in a secure receptacle (the womb). (13) ثُمَّ خَلَقْنَا النُّطْفَةَ عَلَقَةً فَخَلَقْنَا الْعَلَقَةَ مُضْغَةً فَخَلَقْنَا الْمُضْغَةَ عِظَامًا فَكَسَوْنَا الْعِظَامَ لَحْمًا ثُمَّ أَنْشَأْنَاهُ خَلْقًا آخَرَ فَتَبَارَكَ اللَّهُ أَحْسَنُ الْخَالِقِينَ ﴿۱۴﴾ Then We created of the drop, a clot (of congealed blood) and We created the clot into bitesize tissue, then We created the bitesize tissue into bones, then We clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it an other creation. Blessed is Allah, the Best of creators! (14) ثُمَّ إِنَّكُمْ بَعْدَ ذَلِكَ لَمَيِّتُونَ ﴿۱۵﴾ After that you shall surely die, (15) ثُمَّ إِنَّكُمْ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ تُبْعَثُونَ ﴿۱۶﴾ and be resurrected on the Day of Resurrection. (16)
And you had already known about those who transgressed among you concerning the sabbath, and We said to them, "Be apes, despised."
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@stephen-f9h
10 hours.
Jesus.
3 things to consider; the Gospels are fictional dramatizations, they are they gift of a Divine Providence, Jesus was baptized in repentance for the remission of sin.
God didn't save Jesus and all the apostles from death!
He's pulling shyte out of his ass. Imagining how it must have gone then declaring it fact.
Riduculous!😅
Couldn't take the first 4 minutes because of his "assumptions" which his whole foundation seems to be built on.
Welcome to literally all of biblical scholarship...
Soooo has anyone really listened to 10 hrs of this stuff??? Lol😂
Yes absolutely brilliant. So informative and educational. BRILIANTLY researched. He's an incredibe scholar!
Chinese whispers
The planet?? Hahaha
Shill, sadly.
Have you read Spinoza? Do you understand Spinoza's God?. Spinoza understood God exists, I understand God exists and you can understand. To understand God exists you have to understand the atheist logical fallacy. Atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is the religious idea of the creator of the creation to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. Atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is "sky daddy" to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. Atheists misreason "sky daddy doesn't exist therefore god doesn’t exist, and all the arguments that point to the existence of god have to be wrong". To understand God exists you have to understand the kalam cosmological argument: what has a beginning of existence has a cause because from nothing can not be created something. Logically it is impossible the existence of an infinite number of causes, therefore an eternal first uncaused cause that created what has a beginning of existence exists. Did you understand why God exists? God exists because logically it is impossible the existence of the creation or finitude without the creator or infinitude!. If you pay attention you will realize atheists and religious people defend an idea without any arguments. The horrible reality that atheists and religious people sell doesn't exist!. To end the war the discovery that atheism is a logical fallacy has to be news. I am trying to overcome an unjust censorship. Thank you.
Spinoza was an atheist and a pantheist
Spinoza believed the God of his ideas existed. He did not know i.e. have evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, that such a god existed. What you refer to as his 'understanding', simply means that he held a particular position of acceptance of a concept of his god in his mind. It doesn't mean that god actually exists, as it's still a claim to faith, as it is not falsifiable any more than spiritual snowdrops exist on Alpha Centauri.
You’re not being censored, you’re just not saying anything original.
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Spinoza was excommunicated from his Jewish community because they believed his concepts were too Atheistic. To monotheists, pantheism is akin to atheism.
How about all the other figures who were said to be crucified and resurrected after death, all the other Greek mythology’s, Jesus story was not unique.
Bart Ehrman DEBUNKED | Answering the Fool - This video deals with many of the common arguments put forth by the infamous Dr. Bart Ehrman and demonstrates his deep-seated bias towards the Christian faith is the actual driving force behind his conclusions and not scholarly research.
Proverbs 26:5
Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own eyes.
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Al-Qur'an reveals the real Jesus without painfully going through uncertain hypotheses/ theories by historians like Bart Ehrman.
Read for example Al-Qur'an, 5:72-77.
Yes the best historical Qur'an scholarship is available on *Nabi Asli*
Mashallah 🤲🏼
Grifter Ehrman. Doesn't know what he's talking about.
You sound mad you been lied to your whole life 😂
@@BassBouncers Hardly. But anyone who's spent years stidying NT historical scholarship knows the extent his grifts are sophomoric oversimplifications and outright lies. Perhaps you don't mind being lied to or even believing lies--practicallyban American tradition--but I've always intensely disliked it. And as an ex-evangelical--which is what he is--his oily demeanor and contrived jocularity pretty much give away his game. Even his reasons for embracing atheism are either intellectually disingenuous, logically dubious or just plain boneheaded.
Check it out.
@@James-ll3jb that’s a lot of claims with no evidence to back them up lmao
Sounds like projection to me bruh
@@BassBouncers Get two advanced degrees in the stuff. I can't babysit you the evidence. I'm not an Ehrman lol!
@@James-ll3jb Interesting how you need two degrees to dodge a conversation. Facts don’t come with a diploma, bruh.
Just cut the crap Bart. Matthew alone was in Aramaic. It was reported to have been accepted by two or three Jewish Christian sects before 40 CE. It was reported to be the collective effort of documentation by the original disciples well before 40 CE. They did not have to write it - chances are good someone volunteered to document it for them, or someone else paid for them to document it. Most of your arguments stem from what the Rabbi said - not what the Christians said. Stop your incessant giggling and get serious sometime. Onediscipletoanother
What is the evidence for this? I've never of any scholar making these claims.
How do you know Matthew was wriiten in Aramaic?Where is it "reported"?
What 2 or 3 sects? And how do you know who those people were or how they saw Jesus?
The only evidence we have doesn't agree with you.
We have surviving gospels, none provide evidence for your arguments
@@mjt532 You will not hear this from current 'scholars' as they depend upon 'peer review' that agrees with other peers. It's based on evidence that they dare not put together - because the evidence exposes the lie, who lied, when they lied, and why they lied. Anyone who is beholden to publishers will not tell the real truth. Much was destroyed and altered before 400 CE - starting before 100 CE by those who believed Paul, and excluding those who they were trying to destroy. See the book "Romans Proves Paul Lied". Evidence is we all have altered texts from Judaism and Christianity - it's overwhelming evidence. The book exposes Romans, covers the Sermon on the Mount from the Hebrew and Aramaic texts pre 160 CE, and the 3000 year old account of the Covenant Standards found in the Shapira scrolls. Noted are high level scholarship from Jewish scholars - Harvard and Oxford - evidence from over 100 years of archelogy to prove the Hebrew accounts are greatly mythologized.
@stephen-f9h The gospel of Matthew was either written in Aramaic or Hebrew. Even Jerome acknowledged this and said the original was still known to be in a certain library. So when was it first said that the gospel of Matthew was originally in Greek?! It's a patent lie. Those from Papias to Jerome say otherwise.
@stephen-f9h Take that up with Andrew Gabriel Roth, who gave us the "Aramaic English New Testament", Papias, and Jerome - as well as Paul Harvey. It's also shown on a chart of the History of the New Testament Canon on my website - on the first page is a link to it. Christian scholarship is WAY behind the Jewish scholars who wrote the books mentioned. "The Origins of Judaism" - just read the chapter: "Conclusions".
If there were 12 deciples why only 4 books