I demand you do a video about my car, the paint was flat, it was involved in a major collision, the seat was all askew, I wasn't sitting at 12 o'clock. 20 years in da can and this is the respect I got, it's disgraceful.
The Sopranos was a very subtlety written crime-drama that had intricacies that flew over most viewers heads on the first watch through. For example: I bet you didn't know that Jackie Jr was related to THE Jackie Aprile of the DiMeo crime family.
@@Delightfully_Witchy Really? The kid who almost drowned at the penguin exhibit was related to the former head of the Jersey crime family. They should of explored that further in the show.
There was something sexual about the way he grabbed the sheets when Vito was being beaten. I think this has less to do with him being secretly gay, and more to do with him being a sadist and getting a thrill from seeing Vito beaten and tortured.
One of my favorite comments I'm at Vito getting killed clip was Phil: okay you guys stand over there I'm going to go hide in the closet and be a metaphor
Kind of offense to call him that as a narrator. Not that the characters didn't try call him similar things...but the narrator using ass munched is just off. Not funny either.
Phil definitely shined every box he saw in the joint. In his block, they used to call him "The Shah of the Can", cause if he caught you alone in the bathroom, there was nothing he couldn't take from you.
I never bought the gay theory either. I always thought Phil's obsession with Vito was just an extension of his grudge against the New Jersey crew over Tony B killing Phil's brother and Phil being prevented from getting revenge against Tony B. Phil was looking for an excuse to hurt a member of Tony's crew and the Vito situation provided the perfect smokescreen.
I think the idea of a Phil/Vito relationships is a bit of a stretch however there is a enough evidence to at least suspect Phil was in the closet. First of homophobia is almost always linked to repressed homosexuality and Phil was *hyper* homophobic. Second, Phil had a constant tendency to link his 20 year prison term to masculinity, which in one scene Butch reinforces as a way to make Phil feel better about himself. The you have the cinemotography outlined in other videos. Phil with his pants off while talking about Vito his wife, the Lou Costello statue. On and on. In my personal experience the biggest homophobe in the room is almost always sweet as all fuck inside, I'd say about 99% of the time. So....
They wouldn't consider crying for a brother gunned down at a relatively young age something to be ashamed of, but either way they're all hypocrites anyway
I think people make too big of a deal about Phil coming out of the closet. I think he just did it to mess with Vito. I doubt he was hiding in there all day too.
Don't interpret this from the point of view of the characters or the actors.... look at it from the point of view of the DIRECTOR. There is no way in hades that the director would miss the metaphor of Phil coming out of the closet. He didn't put that scene in there by "accident", he put it in there to give us something to think about.
The way a lot of gangsters justify homosexuality in prison is that whatever they did in prison, stays in prison. They don't have to answer for that. But once they get back out into the real world, they can't engage in that kind of lifestyle. Even when they find out about Vito, there's discussion over whether he was pitching or catching. Tony cared about money more than anything and Vito didn't really violate any of his rules (unlike Ralph who probably killed the horse, killed his young goomah at The Bing, etc) so he kind of wanted to give him a pass. Even Phil was sort of wrestling with it until his wife got Holier Than Thou with him about Vito. In general, The Sopranos is always challenging Old School mafia rules. Vito being gay, Tony seeing a shrink, Tony grappling with the obvious fact that Big Pussy was a snitch and taking his time before offing him, etc.
Tone Riggz Tony didn’t give a shit about rules. Like you said, he only wanted to give Vito a pass because he was his best earner. In the car after Vito is killed later on, Carlo says a joke or something after they visited Hesh, Bobby is driving, and Tony screams at him why don’t you take it up the ass so you can earn like Vito. He brought in 10x what you do in construction!
Ralph actually didnt violate any rules. For one there was no proof he killed the horse , and as far as he goomah thing goes, Paulie sends a hit and kills someomes goomah by accident as well. Ralphie just did the same shit Tony did but Tony couldnt handle two chefs in the kitchen
@@abdurrahmanqureshi3030 Ralphie beat the woman at The Bing. You don’t bring that shit to the HQ. Like Tony shouldn’t have beat Coco at the store or set up a meet, not come into the restaurant. That’s like buying drugs at church. You just don’t do that.
You forgot that Junior going down on his girlfriend was seen as taboo or effeminate, something that he was ridiculed for...as for Vito's son, he was a fucking disgrace. I also loved Vito like a Brother in law..
Nah, I think Phil was just old school mobster. He didn't hate Vito for being gay - he hated that Vito married his sister while being gay. He hated that Vito took the oath of the CN, knowing that gays weren't allowed. In Phil's day, finding out that a guy was gay meant you could blackmail him, so he couldn't be trusted by his own crew. For Phil it was multiple levels of betrayal - plus he did 20 years in the can, as he was so fond of reminding everyone.
I think the decision to have him literally coming out of the closet made it pretty unambiguous. He may not be figure skating and listening to showtunes, but I think he has a little same-sex attraction in him at the very least. He fights it and overcompensates with the old-school machismo.
More like fucking relieved. They take the piss out of it. Its to the point where when I watch Goodfellas and hear it I think... "odd, they didn't change the quote up at all to accommodate the video subject"
I heard David chase talk on this & Phil was 100% gay but he's so sexually repressed he doesn't even know he's gay himself,how that works I don't know but Phil for sure gay.
The CineRanter is just a glorified vlog. They upload everything and anything over there. There's no misspelled titles or shinebox comments in the comment section. Either it has meaning or no meaning.
There are at least 2 scenes where we see Phil's wife talk about vito bringing shame on their family since vito was married into it. His wife brings up the church "I'm so embarrassed in front of father." And "like father says, there's nothing gay about hell." Even phil kinda brushes off last one but I think it's much more likely phil was just trying to live up to his version of a man. Edit. I believe his wife even says vito must be held accountable for his actions and that's the last we see her say before vito is killed.
Yeah, once he's in his own bed with his socks off, he's like "I traded one prison for another" as his wife drones on about Vito. He'd never condone it, but he seemed like he was starting to get tired of the subject while his wife was basically trying to make him feel like it was his concern. The thing with the gripping the sheet or that he's up all night staring at the ceiling is, I believe, just because he liked Vito, they were friends and had dinners together. Phil and everyone else for that matter is a screaming hypocrite, he'd never have a crisis of conscience because he was gay, he'd insist he was straight while having sex with men and still hate Vito.
My theory about Phil goes back to his line about compromise in prison. He admits he had to make compromises, which makes me think he had a sexual encounter in prison he's now ashamed of, and perhaps he liked it better than he expected. Due to his shame, he now projects an even more hyper-macho image.
I always thought it was the resent thing. Him being in the can for 20 years he’s probably seen people he knew and respected probably doing some things. These guys probably had wives and it disgusted him that they would go for men when they had something waiting at home.
@Cousin Jimmy Farha I as well,hes entirely too small of a man for that roll. Especially compared to the real life Nicky. Now if Mr. Gandolfini would of played Nicky....just imagine ...
I originally thought the grabbing of the mattress was an unsubtle nod to his true sexuality, but tbh now I think it could be ambiguous and might just show his absolute hatred of Vito for his perceived dishonor. Either way, interesting question
I took it as him being upset that he's watching his friend get killed (they show them having dinner together and I think they meant to suggest it was a regular thing). That's the thing with Phil though, he makes himself watch, he does what he thinks he needs to do and hates everyone else for collapsing so easily
More than corny, that term is used destructively very often these days. A lot of things that are just positive affirmations of manliness get mislabeled as this by certain irritating groups of people.
The scene that made me feel Phil was gay was when they were beating Vito to death. Phil looks at Vito while he’s taking a beating and rubs the sheets on the side of the bed with his hands.
he grabbed the sheet because he looked at vito as family and he hated that he had to do it but he also felt that his female cousin's honor had to be restored
@@jamesstephan3803 he wasnt concerned about his cousin's honor. He straight up says to Tony, "Vito dishonored me personally". He didn't hate what he had to do, he liked doing sht like that.
Being in jail for long periods of time is like being in a time capsule. You go in in the 80's and come out in the 80's but it's post 2000. Imagine going into a coma in October 2019 and waking up summer 2020. In 7/8 months it's not the same world.
I have literally never heard a fan of this show bring this up until now. And damn, you guys may be onto something here. Never crossed my mind until now. Could be. But I don't think so - he's just old school and not at all uncommon to see from any man in his generation or any generation over forty today.
The Phil/Tony problem was more than just Phil whacking Vito. Tony's cousin Tony B killed Phil's brother and Tony took out Tony B before Phil could. That was more of a cause for friction than Vito was.
I think Phil did compromise with men in the can and that's why he's so embittered about his experience in prison - it opened up a repressed side of his sexuality that he's conflicted and self-loathing about. Vito's homosexuality only brought out that bitterness in a way that was very painful and enraging for Phil.
I get what you're saying, but I don't think so in this case- When I was in high school , I had a classmate who was "different" I knew this person since 3rd grade and he never bothered anyone- I was in high school around 85 or86 and a group of guys, some of them football players were in the cafeteria throwing spitballs at him- I don't know why but I got so pissed i told him to sit with me - I went over to them and I basically told em the only reason they are doing this shit is because they have tendencies of their own - I'm not exactly the biggest person, and they weren't exactly small but i rode quarter horses every day and I've never been scared of any human- (i was born with a cleft pallet and before surgeries i endured similar situations) i called them a bunch of pitiful mother fuckers and to pic on me if they wanted to- unbeknownst to me, Mr Richardson ,the phsycology teacher observed this - the next yr i was accepted into the phsycology class even though it was only for the top of the academics- I didn't know- I just thought I was lucky- I remembered at some point the attitude of some of my smarter classmates changed - didn't think about it at the time- 10 yrs later at a funeral for a fellow student , the person who was like a valedictorian came up to me- seems that one day I was absent from class and they asked Mr R how did david rice get in? I was told that Mr Richardson had been waiting for this question and proceeded to recount the incident- telling them " he may be an average at best student, but this young man put on a clinical demonstration that day- even calling out one of the football players in the class- I never knew - but I would have taken an ass wuppin because right is right and they were not I went to my truck and cried my eyeballs out-
@@davidrice3337 That was a noble act man, well done. It's always good to hear about people doing the right thing, back when things were tough for some of us
I don't think Phil is outright gay. But I think it's likely he screwed around with men while in prison and the memory is shameful to him. Especially so for someone so old-school like him. Along with the fear it may become publicly known and held against him.
The writers, and episode directors, did all they could to enable even the least discerning viewer to see that Phil Leotardo was an angry and embittered closeted homosexual.
@@Briank0912 yeah honestly idk why people make this joke so much. He just said 20 years a few times, not much. I still find it kind of funny, guess I need a rewatch
Phil Gay? ..Nahh I've known him all my life! he was Anonymous AA Member, loved RAD- iator grilled cheese & musical Jersey Boys (musta seen it 5x with his Guma).
I wondered if he was a self loathing gay after the Veto death. There’s no way it was a coincidence that HE LITERALLY CAME OUT OF THE CLOSET before killing Veto.
Perhaps Phil had an unfortunate encounter in the showers whilst in Prison? Or perhaps he just found physical affection where he could find it whilst in Prison? Both would also explain his hatred of Vito... although it could just be that Vito was married to Phil's sister so had condemned his sister to a sham marriage?
I really like your analysis. I agree. When you are taught from an early age to be disgusted by certain behavior no matter what it is, more times THAN NOT, you will internalize those very sentiments. Phil was "that kind of guy" that probably internalized EVERYTHING he was taught to hate and despise. It represents everything you believe "to be wrong with the world". People spend millions of bucks going to therapy to undo some of that conditioning because much of it conflicts with one's ability to be a decent human being. But you have to admit, that scene with Phil coming out of the closet, was total "red meat" for that trope which is unfortunately way more popular than it ever should be. I'm guessing someone along the way of producing the show really wanted it in there to give power to that idea. I can remember being in the 3rd grade when my older brother successfully taught me to HATE the loops that were sewn into the backs of button-down shirts. We all tore them out whenever seen, often ripping a hole in the shirt. It was so arbitrary. People HATE certain hairstyles for instance. Just go get yourself a MULLET next time, and see how much abuse will be heaped upon you. One specific day (I don't know how) our entire culture turned against that beloved hairstyle once rocked by POP STARS and Hockey Players.... and Billy Ray Cyrus. heh heh. With all that in mind, homophobia is no mystery.
The Shah of Iran was too tall to fit comfortably in that closet & wait for Vito - look how low the bar is 5:21 , and it's not like there is any room between the clothes and the door. Kids hide in closets like that one - adults hide in walk-in closets. For the amount of bitching that Phil does about "20 years in the can" he is clearly not going to voluntarily jail himself in a dark closet and wait. CineRanter should have picked up on this.
exactly, like I mentioned in a comment it was the symbolism that these old school guys loved the most. Phil coming out of the closet, symbolized they know his secrete and there's no where to hide anymore.
A guy like Phil that is old school to the core would rather drink an entire bottle of ammonia that switch teams. His hatred and bitterness was the fuel that kept him going.
Phil is really obviously dealing with repressed feelings of attraction towards other men. Absolutely nothing else explains his actions, and it’s frankly absurd for you to simply dismiss the copious evidence and symbolism supporting this. I guess when Tony was riding his horse in the kitchen in that dream sequence and Carm told him he can’t keep his “horse” in the house, that scene was simply about Tony wanting to keep a pet horse at home, right? I could see you making that argument after watching this video.
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I demand you do a video about my car, the paint was flat, it was involved in a major collision, the seat was all askew, I wasn't sitting at 12 o'clock. 20 years in da can and this is the respect I got, it's disgraceful.
Relax Phil, grill some cheese on the rahdiator. Then go get yer fuckin shinebox.....
Go and turn back into a house. Let cooler heads prevail.
Don’t Uncle Phillie me
Ya had a heart attack phil
The seat was off its axis
Phil stepping out of the closet was trying to tell us a couple of 3 things.
Maybe there ARE scraps in his scrapbook.
@@erniebuchinski3614 He'd gotten his shinebox shined before.
And his last name was Italian for leotard which is sometimes worn in ballet which is considered gay by the Mafia...
100% the Sopranos would never be super overt and say it , but this is exactly them doing it a little more subtly
I watched the Phil coming out of the closet episode today... I pissed myself, and remembered these comments
We can only hope that after Phil's heart surgery he wasn't on the same blood pressure medication Vito was taking.
@Moolinyan LOL
Ha ha
It's a known fact the Statin drugs suppress the gay urges. Oh!
Plavix. He needs a 60 day supply from Dr. Iaconis.
😂
Phil was in prison? I didn't know that. He never mentioned it.
I think he said he was twenty days in prison once. Or was it twenty weeks? 😂
@@erniebuchinski3614 20 hours he got bailed
The Sopranos was a very subtlety written crime-drama that had intricacies that flew over most viewers heads on the first watch through.
For example: I bet you didn't know that Jackie Jr was related to THE Jackie Aprile of the DiMeo crime family.
@@Delightfully_Witchy Really? The kid who almost drowned at the penguin exhibit was related to the former head of the Jersey crime family. They should of explored that further in the show.
No one can blame you. He was very low key about it.
They tell him he’s sweet enough
LOLOLOL true
Oh shit 😭😭😭
Didn’t I see you on a old tarzan movie?
Yeah? Now go get your fucking shine box
🤣🤣
There was something sexual about the way he grabbed the sheets when Vito was being beaten. I think this has less to do with him being secretly gay, and more to do with him being a sadist and getting a thrill from seeing Vito beaten and tortured.
thats what i thought too, but then he freaks out about the body builders on the tv. it just seems like the writers wanted us to think he was gay.
@@officekuroro I dont think he was gay, but i do think he probably "compromised" in prison, and is somewhat fragile about it.
He jizzed in his pants at the moment Vito took his last breath.
Very observant. The sacred and the propane and the propane
@@temmy9 He's a made man ffs. There is no way anyone would try it on.
Phil popped out of that closet more fabulous than a butterfly leaving its cocoon
😂😅😂
One of my favorite comments I'm at Vito getting killed clip was
Phil: okay you guys stand over there I'm going to go hide in the closet and be a metaphor
Classic
The writing was excellent
Mee too....it was crazy
Just saw it 😂
Bravo
This narrator guy speaks and pronounces so eloquently and then comes "Vito was an assmuncher." Hahahaha. LMFAO
Exactly, "homosexual" at first and then "ass muncher" minutes later
I agree the narrator is well spoken but I just can't place his accent.
You can go!
That's true dedication to one's craft, isn't it? 😂
Kind of offense to call him that as a narrator. Not that the characters didn't try call him similar things...but the narrator using ass munched is just off. Not funny either.
How could he be straight if he’s askew?
Lol
🤣😂
i never got that at all
Phil definitely shined every box he saw in the joint.
In his block, they used to call him "The Shah of the Can", cause if he caught you alone in the bathroom, there was nothing he couldn't take from you.
Better use a shoehorn, you'll crack the leather
"Phil was in prison for 20 years."
Can I get a source to back up this claim? Sounds like pure speculation to me.
I never bought the gay theory either. I always thought Phil's obsession with Vito was just an extension of his grudge against the New Jersey crew over Tony B killing Phil's brother and Phil being prevented from getting revenge against Tony B. Phil was looking for an excuse to hurt a member of Tony's crew and the Vito situation provided the perfect smokescreen.
David chase said that he had repressed it but wasn’t reflective enough to realize that is where the feelings were coming from.
That animal Blundetto?
He wasn't """gay""", he just compromised in prison...but he gets a pass
@@radicalpaddyowell, thats nice..
I think the idea of a Phil/Vito relationships is a bit of a stretch however there is a enough evidence to at least suspect Phil was in the closet. First of homophobia is almost always linked to repressed homosexuality and Phil was *hyper* homophobic. Second, Phil had a constant tendency to link his 20 year prison term to masculinity, which in one scene Butch reinforces as a way to make Phil feel better about himself. The you have the cinemotography outlined in other videos. Phil with his pants off while talking about Vito his wife, the Lou Costello statue. On and on. In my personal experience the biggest homophobe in the room is almost always sweet as all fuck inside, I'd say about 99% of the time. So....
i love the irony in his character : he says johnny sack crying like a woman its a disgrace yet he spends all the time crying for his late brother
They wouldn't consider crying for a brother gunned down at a relatively young age something to be ashamed of, but either way they're all hypocrites anyway
He witnessed that tho, it wasn't a wedding...
John cried becouse FBI ruined his doughter’s wedding, Phill cried for death of his baby brother. Plus one cried in public, other didn’t
Yea, whatever happened there
they're all hypocritical scum.
I feel like I've been stabbed in the heart. How much more betrayal can I take?
Shut up, Paulie. 😂
I think people make too big of a deal about Phil coming out of the closet. I think he just did it to mess with Vito. I doubt he was hiding in there all day too.
It was more of a play on the vampire/reaper troupe
Don't interpret this from the point of view of the characters or the actors.... look at it from the point of view of the DIRECTOR. There is no way in hades that the director would miss the metaphor of Phil coming out of the closet. He didn't put that scene in there by "accident", he put it in there to give us something to think about.
He was hiding there for 20 fuckin years
@@runningdecadeix4780 not a peepXD
@@JamieTransNyc people be hiding in closets in literally every movie ever made
I heard they found a shinebox in his corner pocket.
Very funny Dom!!
@@isaacster5027 I don’t quite get it but cute!
@@cantbcryinovadatho Sil Hit him first!
The way a lot of gangsters justify homosexuality in prison is that whatever they did in prison, stays in prison. They don't have to answer for that. But once they get back out into the real world, they can't engage in that kind of lifestyle. Even when they find out about Vito, there's discussion over whether he was pitching or catching. Tony cared about money more than anything and Vito didn't really violate any of his rules (unlike Ralph who probably killed the horse, killed his young goomah at The Bing, etc) so he kind of wanted to give him a pass. Even Phil was sort of wrestling with it until his wife got Holier Than Thou with him about Vito. In general, The Sopranos is always challenging Old School mafia rules. Vito being gay, Tony seeing a shrink, Tony grappling with the obvious fact that Big Pussy was a snitch and taking his time before offing him, etc.
You are absolutely right. Phil wife was the final nail in the coffin for vito.
Tone Riggz Tony didn’t give a shit about rules. Like you said, he only wanted to give Vito a pass because he was his best earner. In the car after Vito is killed later on, Carlo says a joke or something after they visited Hesh, Bobby is driving, and Tony screams at him why don’t you take it up the ass so you can earn like Vito. He brought in 10x what you do in construction!
Ralph actually didnt violate any rules. For one there was no proof he killed the horse , and as far as he goomah thing goes, Paulie sends a hit and kills someomes goomah by accident as well.
Ralphie just did the same shit Tony did but Tony couldnt handle two chefs in the kitchen
@@abdurrahmanqureshi3030
Ralphie beat the woman at The Bing. You don’t bring that shit to the HQ.
Like Tony shouldn’t have beat Coco at the store or set up a meet, not come into the restaurant. That’s like buying drugs at church. You just don’t do that.
You forgot that Junior going down on his girlfriend was seen as taboo or effeminate, something that he was ridiculed for...as for Vito's son, he was a fucking disgrace. I also loved Vito like a Brother in law..
TheCineRanter can no longer be in our social club, that much I know
"What are you taking about? He's gotta GO."
Oh yeia?! Maybe you're a flambe!!!
Social club??? He’s gotta gooooo!
It’ll be ok, we’ll get him into therapy.
He could probably get a note from his doctor
Nah, I think Phil was just old school mobster. He didn't hate Vito for being gay - he hated that Vito married his sister while being gay. He hated that Vito took the oath of the CN, knowing that gays weren't allowed. In Phil's day, finding out that a guy was gay meant you could blackmail him, so he couldn't be trusted by his own crew. For Phil it was multiple levels of betrayal - plus he did 20 years in the can, as he was so fond of reminding everyone.
Lots of guys had a problem with Vito’s lifestyle. Paulie, Carlo, Christopher, etc. Phil was just old school. There’s no scraps in his scrap book!
sure, but the fact that they had him come out of the closet says a lot. it can't be a coincidence.
4:31 The Sacred and the Propane sounds like the name of one of Little Carmine's adult films
it was the 4th film in his sub species
It reminded me a bit of Hank Hill: "I sell propane and propane accessories."
Starring Hank Hill.
I think the decision to have him literally coming out of the closet made it pretty unambiguous. He may not be figure skating and listening to showtunes, but I think he has a little same-sex attraction in him at the very least. He fights it and overcompensates with the old-school machismo.
He was probably tempted at least a little in prison and has a bit of shame and self hatred from it. However I doubt he acted on it.
He definitely didn't dress like the village people.
Whatever weaknesses he felt in the can, He reasserted dominance over them by his disposal of Vito
@@realestateservicesfromlarr9128 you get a pass for that
There is a distinct lack of “shinebox “ comments.....I’m disappointed
More like fucking relieved. They take the piss out of it. Its to the point where when I watch Goodfellas and hear it I think... "odd, they didn't change the quote up at all to accommodate the video subject"
I heard David chase talk on this & Phil was 100% gay but he's so sexually repressed he doesn't even know he's gay himself,how that works I don't know but Phil for sure gay.
The CineRanter is just a glorified vlog. They upload everything and anything over there. There's no misspelled titles or shinebox comments in the comment section. Either it has meaning or no meaning.
This made me laugh out loud! Love it!!!
Nice! Haha
No shinebox comments whatsoever... LOL
Where did you get this information? He never once mentions how long his sentence was. He hardly even mentions prison in the series.
Gay? The guy was a goddamn hoowah
A Puerto Rican Hoowah.
He's gotta go!!!
There are at least 2 scenes where we see Phil's wife talk about vito bringing shame on their family since vito was married into it. His wife brings up the church "I'm so embarrassed in front of father." And "like father says, there's nothing gay about hell." Even phil kinda brushes off last one but I think it's much more likely phil was just trying to live up to his version of a man.
Edit. I believe his wife even says vito must be held accountable for his actions and that's the last we see her say before vito is killed.
Yeah, once he's in his own bed with his socks off, he's like "I traded one prison for another" as his wife drones on about Vito. He'd never condone it, but he seemed like he was starting to get tired of the subject while his wife was basically trying to make him feel like it was his concern. The thing with the gripping the sheet or that he's up all night staring at the ceiling is, I believe, just because he liked Vito, they were friends and had dinners together. Phil and everyone else for that matter is a screaming hypocrite, he'd never have a crisis of conscience because he was gay, he'd insist he was straight while having sex with men and still hate Vito.
well you outta know sweetie!
I don't think philly was gay but with those envelopes 10% lighter i think his bottom line was impacted.... Hehehehe..
My theory about Phil goes back to his line about compromise in prison. He admits he had to make compromises, which makes me think he had a sexual encounter in prison he's now ashamed of, and perhaps he liked it better than he expected. Due to his shame, he now projects an even more hyper-macho image.
I always thought it was the resent thing. Him being in the can for 20 years he’s probably seen people he knew and respected probably doing some things. These guys probably had wives and it disgusted him that they would go for men when they had something waiting at home.
He felt betrayed by Vito, he was as old school as they come.
Casino will be 25 years old in November
@Cousin Jimmy Farha That makes sense
@Cousin Jimmy Farha I as well,hes entirely too small of a man for that roll. Especially compared to the real life Nicky. Now if Mr. Gandolfini would of played Nicky....just imagine ...
I originally thought the grabbing of the mattress was an unsubtle nod to his true sexuality, but tbh now I think it could be ambiguous and might just show his absolute hatred of Vito for his perceived dishonor. Either way, interesting question
I took it as him being upset that he's watching his friend get killed (they show them having dinner together and I think they meant to suggest it was a regular thing). That's the thing with Phil though, he makes himself watch, he does what he thinks he needs to do and hates everyone else for collapsing so easily
I tought it was sadism and "righteous vengance"
Phil is the embodiment of toxic masculinity. Even though i think that term is kinda corny sometimes.
Extremely corny
More than corny, that term is used destructively very often these days. A lot of things that are just positive affirmations of manliness get mislabeled as this by certain irritating groups of people.
Compromise ? I ate grilled cheese of the radiator!
off the rad - ee - ate - er
@@richardbarry04553 Raddy-ator.
Sacred and propane? You trying to imitate Lil' Carmine? Lol
The scene that made me feel Phil was gay was when they were beating Vito to death. Phil looks at Vito while he’s taking a beating and rubs the sheets on the side of the bed with his hands.
I felt the same way , that little jester wasn't put there for no reason by the writer and director, it meant something.
That makes him a sadist not gay.
And him coming out of the closest was a metaphor
he grabbed the sheet because he looked at vito as family and he hated that he had to do it but he also felt that his female cousin's honor had to be restored
@@jamesstephan3803 he wasnt concerned about his cousin's honor. He straight up says to Tony, "Vito dishonored me personally". He didn't hate what he had to do, he liked doing sht like that.
Being in jail for long periods of time is like being in a time capsule. You go in in the 80's and come out in the 80's but it's post 2000. Imagine going into a coma in October 2019 and waking up summer 2020. In 7/8 months it's not the same world.
I have literally never heard a fan of this show bring this up until now. And damn, you guys may be onto something here. Never crossed my mind until now. Could be. But I don't think so - he's just old school and not at all uncommon to see from any man in his generation or any generation over forty today.
The Phil/Tony problem was more than just Phil whacking Vito. Tony's cousin Tony B killed Phil's brother and Tony took out Tony B before Phil could. That was more of a cause for friction than Vito was.
The brother. Whatever happened there.
That deal where Phil grabs the mattress, right before they beat Vito to death. Made me think he was either gay, or got off on violence. Or both
BEAT me to it! 👍
Seemed like he was just very satisfied that he finally got his hands on vito. No homo 💀
And he literally came out of a closet right before that.
4:31 . . . the sacred and the propane . . .
My name is Hank Hill. I tell you what - I sell propane and propane accessories!
I think Phil did compromise with men in the can and that's why he's so embittered about his experience in prison - it opened up a repressed side of his sexuality that he's conflicted and self-loathing about. Vito's homosexuality only brought out that bitterness in a way that was very painful and enraging for Phil.
The whole time he was in the joint, Phill remained faithful to Kleenex and don't youse firget it.
Phil was a hero who lived in the past. True hero. R. I. P
Tony beat Phil’s ass when he owed him money for the race track sale. But nothing was ever said.
Literally coming out the closet and constant references to his time inside would suggest yes.
I get what you're saying, but I don't think so in this case-
When I was in high school , I had a classmate who was "different"
I knew this person since 3rd grade and he never bothered anyone- I was in high school around 85 or86 and a group of guys, some of them football players were in the cafeteria throwing spitballs at him- I don't know why but I got so pissed i told him to sit with me - I went over to them and I basically told em the only reason they are doing this shit is because they have tendencies of their own - I'm not exactly the biggest person, and they weren't exactly small but i rode quarter horses every day and I've never been scared of any human- (i was born with a cleft pallet and before surgeries i endured similar situations) i called them a bunch of pitiful mother fuckers and to pic on me if they wanted to- unbeknownst to me, Mr Richardson ,the phsycology teacher observed this - the next yr i was accepted into the phsycology class even though it was only for the top of the academics- I didn't know- I just thought I was lucky- I remembered at some point the attitude of some of my smarter classmates changed - didn't think about it at the time- 10 yrs later at a funeral for a fellow student , the person who was like a valedictorian came up to me- seems that one day I was absent from class and they asked Mr R how did david rice get in? I was told that Mr Richardson had been waiting for this question and proceeded to recount the incident- telling them " he may be an average at best student, but this young man put on a clinical demonstration that day- even calling out one of the football players in the class- I never knew - but I would have taken an ass wuppin because right is right and they were not
I went to my truck and cried my eyeballs out-
@@davidrice3337 That was a noble act man, well done. It's always good to hear about people doing the right thing, back when things were tough for some of us
Plot twist: Phil whacked Vito so he could have Johnny Cakes all to himself
I don't think Phil is outright gay. But I think it's likely he screwed around with men while in prison and the memory is shameful to him. Especially so for someone so old-school like him. Along with the fear it may become publicly known and held against him.
I also just think Phil don't like homosexuality outright and think free men doing it are a disgrace he said and he can't control his hatred.
The writers, and episode directors, did all they could to enable even the least discerning viewer to see that Phil Leotardo was an angry and embittered closeted homosexual.
Come out of the closet? Phil wouldn't even come out of the house. He would speak through the top floor window tho 🤣
"…The sacred and the propane…" :) 4:33
One of the most iconic characters, and he came up on season 5. Impressive
Hang on, what ?!
Nobody ever told me that Phil Leotardo did 20 years in prison.
I disagree, he is from an old school world. And if you noticed his wife kept on bothering him, she was the one pulling the strings.
Yep
That is the old school world bud.
There are plenty of self-hating gays in the "old school world".
leave ms patty alone
Phil did 20 years in the can?!?! WHY DIDN'T THE SHOW SAY THIS!!!!
How many years did Phil do in prison he never seemed to say as far as I remember?
20 years..... Phill says it when they're watching Johnny sack on TV give his testimony in court
@@Briank0912 sarcasm
Then it's not good sarcasm. It's not something he goes on about. I only recall him saying the actual number of years once
@@Briank0912 yeah honestly idk why people make this joke so much. He just said 20 years a few times, not much. I still find it kind of funny, guess I need a rewatch
@@Briank0912 He says it all the time. Every day he wakes up and says "20 years in the can, and now I'm a free man"
If you're doing more than five years, you get a pass.
Phil Gay? ..Nahh I've known him all my life! he was Anonymous AA Member, loved RAD- iator grilled cheese & musical Jersey Boys (musta seen it 5x with his Guma).
Finally someone else noticed how he weirdly pronounced radiator!! Lol
You forgot how he went through so many tissues while in the can . . .
“This CineRanter, he’s more creative than Spielberg!”
even shoving a pool cue up his shinebox
If he would have just eaten that breadstick he wouldn't have been so emotional.
I wondered if he was a self loathing gay after the Veto death. There’s no way it was a coincidence that HE LITERALLY CAME OUT OF THE CLOSET before killing Veto.
I heard he made egg sandwiches off of a hot plate while doing 14 years in the peace core
Open video, pause, open comments, “no”, dislike video, close video
The showrunner confirmed he was repressing his own sexual feelings for men. Anyway, 4$ a pound.
The Sha of Iran would never do that😂
Shah**
As long as he quit, before he got out, he wasn't gay, it was just a hustle.
I'm miss hearing this guy saying... "Martin Scorsese's "The Irishman".
He wasn't gay. He loved Vito like a brother-in-law.
Phil is the Spinosaurus of the Sopranos franchise. Always unreasonably angry and raging
A.) That was the movies...
"...ate grilled cheese off the raddy-ate-uh."
He was pretty upset when the bodybuilders were posing on his television.
It was a loud distraction at an inappropriate time
Real reason he was so angry was because vito was cheating on him😂
Perhaps Phil had an unfortunate encounter in the showers whilst in Prison? Or perhaps he just found physical affection where he could find it whilst in Prison? Both would also explain his hatred of Vito... although it could just be that Vito was married to Phil's sister so had condemned his sister to a sham marriage?
Vito is married to his second cousin.
David Chase confirmed it, he was gay.
I know vitos bottom was impacted
Vito: uncle philly! My ass!
One of the most asked questions?
I've literally never wondered if Phil was gay
He was definitely a booty bandit or the victim of a booty bandit to have that much anger.
I really like your analysis. I agree. When you are taught from an early age to be disgusted by certain behavior no matter what it is, more times THAN NOT, you will internalize those very sentiments. Phil was "that kind of guy" that probably internalized EVERYTHING he was taught to hate and despise. It represents everything you believe "to be wrong with the world".
People spend millions of bucks going to therapy to undo some of that conditioning because much of it conflicts with one's ability to be a decent human being.
But you have to admit, that scene with Phil coming out of the closet, was total "red meat" for that trope which is unfortunately way more popular than it ever should be. I'm guessing someone along the way of producing the show really wanted it in there to give power to that idea.
I can remember being in the 3rd grade when my older brother successfully taught me to HATE the loops that were sewn into the backs of button-down shirts. We all tore them out whenever seen, often ripping a hole in the shirt. It was so arbitrary.
People HATE certain hairstyles for instance. Just go get yourself a MULLET next time, and see how much abuse will be heaped upon you.
One specific day (I don't know how) our entire culture turned against that beloved hairstyle once rocked by POP STARS and Hockey Players.... and Billy Ray Cyrus. heh heh.
With all that in mind, homophobia is no mystery.
And the mullets made a come back
The mullets are ok. Its those broccoli haircuts that gotta go. Shaved sides and big curly mops on top.
My question is: Was the pool cue chalked or not?
The Shah of Iran was too tall to fit comfortably in that closet & wait for Vito - look how low the bar is 5:21 , and it's not like there is any room between the clothes and the door. Kids hide in closets like that one - adults hide in walk-in closets. For the amount of bitching that Phil does about "20 years in the can" he is clearly not going to voluntarily jail himself in a dark closet and wait. CineRanter should have picked up on this.
This was both sacred and propane
I believe Phil came out of the closet on purpose to mock Vito.
exactly, like I mentioned in a comment it was the symbolism that these old school guys loved the most.
Phil coming out of the closet, symbolized they know his secrete and there's no where to hide anymore.
The real question is was phil catching or pitching
No way..if he was he never would have had Vito killed so savagely
this is why you feel the guilt in him gripping the bed sheets.
A guy like Phil that is old school to the core would rather drink an entire bottle of ammonia that switch teams. His hatred and bitterness was the fuel that kept him going.
Phil got 20 years in the can
You could hear his can rattling on set it was that vast...
Like throwing a banana up Broadway
I heard Phil rammed a discman up Crissys moms box...
I like Phil. One of my favourite characters.
Phil is really obviously dealing with repressed feelings of attraction towards other men. Absolutely nothing else explains his actions, and it’s frankly absurd for you to simply dismiss the copious evidence and symbolism supporting this.
I guess when Tony was riding his horse in the kitchen in that dream sequence and Carm told him he can’t keep his “horse” in the house, that scene was simply about Tony wanting to keep a pet horse at home, right? I could see you making that argument after watching this video.
Tony's line written by Hollywood writers that mobsters get a pass for homosexuality is just That Hollywood bulllst! Gets a pass from WHO?
I like the style of the narrator. It's like he's forced to read in elementary school and is excited to use the naughty words XD
I always laughed when he came out of the closet before the beating
so Phil was not complaining about spending 20 years in the can after all
If Philly was around he'd tell you a couple of 3 things
He did 20 years in the can
Mobsters didnt get a pass for homosexuality in prison. Tony was telling dr milfy she gets a pass for presuming it
Oh shit
No he wasn't.
He was for sure a finnochio, no straight dude gets that mad at someone being gay. He's covering for something.
Vito a Captain? Right. The good ship lolipop