I’m a LAB guy and have been using my DF2.1 for three years. The PXG putter looks great, and I’m glad both sides are not taking cheap shots. I think the PXG putter will help a lot of people putt better. But I’m not leaving my LAB.
I get the opposite vibe about LAB, we dont support the shaft at the bottom of the putter, if the LAB putter was in the PXG revealer it would not point towards the target. I think PXGs offering makes more sense
I thought the whole point of zero torque putters was that the goal was to prevent the putter from having any say in what the face is doing and put all of that responsibility on the user. Thats always been one of my favorite parts of lab is how it has no desire to "find home" or twist or anything. I feel like this tech is cool for a certain market but marketing as a lab competitor when the goal isnt even the same thing is just kind of wierd
I see a lot of comments on LAB and the Allan from golfers who have tried neither, which s not very informative for anyone. I have had both, the MEZZ and i now have the Allan putter, so i have hands on experience for both. The MEZZ i struggled with especially distance control which is normally a strength of mine. It was good from 10 feet and in, but didnt notice any real improvement from my EVNROLL gamer. I kept it about a month and moved it on. I have now had the Allan for a few weeks and can honestly say i have never puttered as well, both distance control and holing out. Im a 6 handicapper but have always felt i should hole more 6-10 footers, and with the Allan i have. Just played today and Arccos had me as +6.4 strokes gained putting, 26 putts and holed everything inside 10 feet and a couple longer ones. I dont care who has the best zero torque putter or how they achieve it. All i know is this putter feels incredibly stable and it doesnt work against you natural path, its a funny feeling but it just works and has improved my putting. Im sure the LAB putters are equally as good, but for me i didnt get on with it.
@@liangchu3930 Hi, i just never got to grips with distance control, i was always way short and when i tried to get to the hole i was 6 feet past. Ive had the Allan a few weeks now and quite a few rounds under the belt and my distance control is spot on, it feels very stable on mishits from distance especially when you dont always get it out of the middle.
Well put! I too had the Mezz 1 for about 6 months with little success. This video helps me understand why I still felt like I was "fighting" the Mezz 1. I know have the Allan and it is so darn carefree! I trust the putter itself, that it will go along with the "ride." I never felt that way with the Mezz. When I purchased the Mezz, I was under the impression that it would cruise along with my hands, but it doesn't in the same way that the Allan does...
Had all these putters in the bag before (link 1, mezz max broomstick, df2.1 and df3 for lab and allan for pxg) and liked the lab putter. Will say you don’t feel as much tech in the link 1 vs the df3 and df 2.1 but for the allan, i never felt any torque free design the lab had
Great to have options on the market. Pushing boundaries is great for the consumer. But you know when someone is doing it right, cause the competition has no choice but to “copy” what they’re doing.
i purchased an Allan putter and have now used it in 4 rounds. The last round being the best score at a 1-under 71 with a total of 28 putts on the day and I let a few get away. I like it. The putter feels good, and it looks much more like a traditional mallet which is the biggest reason I wanted to test it out. I think it will be an excellent putter for me based on the early feedback. I would like to add that I am not a PXG fan. I've tested some of their irons and found them to be a disaster in controlling distance and flighting a ball properly, but the putter I like.
It has zero torque being imposed on it, but the golfer will impose a torque on it that will counteract it. Even the LAB putter will torque if you twist it. These things are visual marketing aids, not scientific tools. The LAB putter being lie angle balanced will torque if you toe it down or up because then it is nor longer lie angle balanced. The PXG will torque if you rock it in a straight back straight through motion quickly because it is designed to resist torque on a slight arc.
@@RCGolfthat's one of the most ridiculous statements. What would you rather swing...something that is balanced and stays on target or something that is unbalanced and wants to actively veer off target? Yes there is human error and you might pull or push your stroke and add torque, but that's on you, at least with a true zero torque putter you know it's yourself that's messed up. Some of the statements I've seen are truly mind boggling. Let's just be objective - The lab has its short comings. It's expensive, it can't be easily mass produced so takes time to get to you and you can't easily trial or test it out, and it doesn't have a multitude of shapes and is centre shafted. But it is objectively zero torque so it stays square to the target on its lie. The PXG is not zero torque but is reasonably close, and can be mass produced so is cheaper and quicker to get to market. This doesn't make it bad at all, quite the opposite. It looks a much better option than your standard toe or face balanced putter both of which (espec the face balanced) will pull the putter open or closed as you swing back and thru. But just don't try to say it is something that it isn't - it looks a really good addition to the market but just like the Axis that Justin Rose uses, it's not truly zero torque
Awesome that we get more options as golfers! LAB does it their way, PXG does it their way. But everyone gets to choose! That's great for the market and great for the game. Keep innovating!
Yep, I had a fitting last Tuesday. It feels excellent in the hands. I made 5 straight putts with it! I just got an email that my new Allan is going to be delivered today. I'm looking forward to taking it out on the course!
@@pxg For the first round with the Allan I averaged 1.56 putts per hole. My lifetime average is 2.1 PPH. That's like saving 9.7 strokes per round! I made putts from 12, 15, 18, & 24 feet. One more thing of note- NO three putts!
@@jakesells2379 It does.... Did you not watch the video? They put the Allan in the Lab revealer, and if you're aggressively shaking it back and forth like you're having a seizure, yeah, it will move. But the PXG is a different design. It's "toe up" balanced so the face always returns to the same position. Maybe watch AND listen to the WHOLE video before making another comment?? 🤷🏼
@@uNkLeRaRa4 I've not seen any aggressive shaking - just a normal stroke shows the pxg does not stay as square to the target as a LAB. But I think the main takeaway is for everyone not to be butthurt by either putter. The LAB is truly zero torque but the price you pay for that is it's more expensive (custom) and that it can't be mass produced (time). Whereas the PXG can be mass produced (cheaper/more affordable and faster) and while it isn't truly zero torque like they might claim, it looks close enough that its fine for the majority of amateurs. If you can get something quicker and cheaper that does 80-90% of the job you are in a good place. Just don't get all brand loyal butt hurt brain washed - try it and see if it works for you. All that being said I have a LAB but would have no problem trying the PXG. Both have their place and pros/cons.
Had a lab for a year, definitely helped me sink more putts. But longer putts weren’t there at all for me. Got fit for the Allan, and my putting changed for the better drastically. Allan for the win.
I'm a LAB customer and love my putter...seeing PXG find a way to leverage "the same" concept is validating. Both companies are innovators. I'd think a golfer would be very pleased with either LAB or Zero Torque Balance putters. EDIT: I have the link.1 putter. Works for me.
Have 35” DF3 and 35” Allan (which I was fitted for) Both are very good putters. After two weeks playing both, I prefer the look/feel over the ball of the Allan. For long lag putts 20+ feet the DF3 has been better.
Hi Matt - The Allan Putter also has excellent distance control. I honestly recommend giving them each a try to see which one works best with your swing. ^Chelsea
Loving my LAB DF3. The Allan looks good too, slightly different design. With LAB i know the lie angle at 72 deg. was custom fit for me and there is no twisting to get it square to the target line. Im sure if had an Allan at 72 Deg it would play similar.
Great looking putter with amazing looking technology.... looking forward to reviews as I was looking at a LAB broomstick for similar money and now have food for thought...
Very interested in this putter. I do have a PXG center about 45mins (Paramus, NJ) from me to visit. But, I would like to know more about the face Loft. I notice in most of the videos, on longer putts, I see the ball bounces/hops a little off the face, not a good thing. I read on your website the standard setitng for loft is 5* due to the shaft forward design, bvut can be ordered with less. Being a lefty, its hard to find different equipment setups to compare. Hope you offer more information. I am a straight back, slight arc on longer putts. I position the ball center/slightly foward. What would you reccomend for me. Thank you
We are constantly experimenting, so now that we have received such a positive response from the Allan, we are definitely looking at trying it out with other styles. But no definite plans to release them in the near future. ^Chelsea
Love that PXG has moved into the area of low/no torque. There will be more, this is validation that there are other options besides toe down, face balanced, etc. Always switched and tried new putters for years never having sustained success and always questioning if the putter was right for my stroke. That stopped in 2016 since making the switch to LAB. TBH - I also couldn't handle the looks of the 2.1 but stuck with it because the results were too good and consistent. Made the move to the DF3 this past spring, its the best money i have spent on a piece of golf equipment! Cool to see LAB hang around and build a brand when everybody was laughing at them and me (some folks still are and always will - love the haters!). Their stuff won't be for everyone, no brand is... If it works then use it. All the best to PXG and the low/no torque movement.
I have a LAB putter, I love it. As I said in a previous comment why didn’t they put the LAB putter in their tool ? If the face didn’t stay straight in that then I’d see there is something different about the PXG putter, but if the LAB putter was to respond in the same way as the Allen…… ?
If you are swinging a putter with that much speed how many putts are you making? The point is to have face control in a smooth stroke! That’s why PXG is better.
ok, so your car should only be crash rated for, what, 35mph? because that's the speed you usually drive at? it's insufficient logic to say that the amount of torque introduced by a putter is dependent upon the speed with which you swing the putter. LAB putters pass the revealer test at any speed; the Allan does not. it fails worse the more speed you introduce. by definition it shouldn't be viewed as zero torque.
Hi @baibaibailu - Same end goal, totally different technology. We invite you to learn more here: www.pxg.com/en-us/allan-putter/PT-PXG7-ALLAN.html ^Chelsea
This makes more sense than the LAB. I tried a LAB and it seemed to make it difficult to make a proper stroke and release the head properly. I guess if you're straight back straight through it's fine
I got the PXG Allan putter after watching many of these videos. After one round I noticed the head is becoming slightly loose from the shaft. Love the putter and even made an 18 foot eagle putt that day. Really disappointed with the quality control though as they said I’d have to ship it back across the country to Arizona for repair. So I’ll be without my brand new putter for weeks once again after waiting weeks for it to arrive. The putter is much better looking than anything LAB has made. I’m hoping this is a one time thing and not a trend for the Allan or PXG.
I am really sorry to hear this JD. I hope they are able to get everything set and ready for you. If there is an issue in the future (which hopefully doesn't happen!) please don't hesitate to contact us. Thanks! ^Delaney
A putter that wants to move a certain way or to "find home," by definition has torque. Kudos to PXG for embracing (copying) technology that goes against their previous putter designs as well as 99% of the putter designs on the market. They say "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" so I know that Sam and the boys at LAB Golf are sincerely flattered.
If the putter is kept square during the stroke there would be no torque. If the face becomes open or closed during the stroke then there would be torque "pulling" that face back to square.
@@gtn1994I think the fact he showed the lab stayed in the position he put it down in and swung like that shows that is true zero torque....the fact that the Alan face always points straight forward there must be torque pushing it back to this position....I think both are great....I just think the lab is a more engineered product and each one is bespoke....I can't see how the PXG in different lengths and lie angles will balance the same just by bending the hosel
@robinc3307 not particularly sold on the revealer showing true zero torque since it is supported so low on the shaft, where in reality it should be where the hands would go. Especially with press grips where the axis of the hands differ from the shaft. I do believe all these putters have so little torque it essentially doesnt matter. Someone gave the analogy that torque is similar to driving a car that has a slight pull, and you constantly have to counteract it. My take is that when you get so little torque simply placing your hands on the wheel is enough to take out that pull.. the only time you would notice it is if you take your hands off completely, similar to using a device like the revealer. So unless you plan on putting with the revealer I dont think it matters once you get below a certain torque.
@@gtn1994 I've watched both the PXG and LAB's own videos...in PXG's own video they got no movement in the lab style revealer...yet in the LAB video the PXG putter didn't stay straight... I guess maybe it's the length and lie angle....im also interested if PXG adjust each individual putter as LAB do....I'm not biased on either putter as I don't own one or the other...been tempted to go for a LAB fitting but like the more traditional look of the Alan... I don't have any engineering qualifications..but I have an opinion ...but it could be wrong
Also, good video, but you really need to find a way to clarify how this is different to the LAB putter because people obviously aren’t getting it. I’d recommend a separate video with a side by side of both putters in the revealer held parallel to the ground (camera facing the sole of the putters). Have them both starting in a face balanced position then let go of both to show your putter returning to a toe up position while the LAB putter doesn’t move. Then when you sell an extra 300 of them I wouldn’t say no to a complimentary putter 😉
For me rocking shoulders correctly is the only way to go. Tried face balance, LAB, toe hang it is similar result in direction accuracy, only difference for me is the speed created by each putter.
Definitely better than a toe down design, the downside is the effects are reduced the more upright the putter is. There’s less need for this putter to be fitted than with LAB but I would argue it won’t be as stable as a properly fitted LAB putter
That being said most people aren’t getting their putters fitted so this would arguably be better for the average person off the shelf who knows nothing about their putting stroke
Interesting. The pick up pocket is the technology that will sell it. Actually, now I think about it ... if that putter holed everything, the pick up pocket would be redundant!?
I'm sure that the Allan is a decent, well crafted putter. However, this presentation shows that 'Zero-Torque' does not apply. Even if they HAD done the science correctly for one standard lie angle, any lie customization would throw things out of whack for the Allan. Physics is tricky like that.
Exactly this! Credit to LAB for popularizing this tech, but they are far from the first to build a putter around this concept... everyone is acting like PXG is ripping off an original design. I believe the Backstryke and the Tommy Armour Zaap Alpha putters have been referenced as a couple of inspirations for LABs zero torque design. I truly enjoy my DF3, but this cultish following is a bit annoying. Nothing against Sam Hahn as he appears to have shown class when talking about competitors products and their takes on zero torque, just more so annoyed with the fanbase.
The backstryke still spins in the Revealer. I love Sam, and he's a great dude. He's done wonderful things since taking over LAB, but he didn't invent the putter...
Interesting that you make excuses for why the Allan rotates back and forth (stroke too aggressive) but when using the LAB putter refuse to acknowledge that NO ONE would attempt a putt with the face facing anywhere but towards the target. I'm sure the Allan is a great putter but doing that makes you seem disingenuous.
I just took it as him showing the difference between the two. LAB put out a video first. This felt like a reasonable and respectful response. While people are going to try and lump these together, there are two totally different approaches going on here. At least that was my takeaway from the video. 🤷♂️
EXACTRLY!!!! that's why I thought LAB putters didn't make any sense. If I don't keep the face square with LAB putter, it's no good. Allan putter make a lot more sense to me..
@ it was just such a technical demo with one of the most engineered putters you’ve ever created just to slide in the pick up pocket as if it was just as important. It was just so funny to see at the end of such a great demo.
That's why so many players on tour are using this putter right? Because it has better technology? The best players in the world are going to use what is best period, and it is not this at the moment. 🤔
Hi Vincent. This putter came out in the middle of the pro golf season - so a lot of players are not going to switch during their flow. You may see it more next season. Have a great day! ^Delaney
Everybody’s going to have an opinion based off of the brand you invested your money in. I went with the PXG for a few different reasons, the price wasn’t a factor. Only time will tell if I made the right choice but if it helps me shave a stroke or two off most rounds of golf It’ll be money well spent.
I received my new Allan Putter on September 19, unfortunately, I went on vacation for a week so I wasn’t able to even try it out until the last weekend in September, I practiced all weekend long for a total of six hours. During those six hours I seem to have not only gotten used to the feel of my new putter but I also found a very nice putting stroke which had lost me over the last two seasons. I was able to squeeze in two practice rounds before I played in the biggest tournament of the year for me. I putted pretty decent for those two practice rounds, enough to give me a newfound confidence heading into the big tournament. Hilariously I sank a 20 foot put on the very first hole of the tournament, turn to my partner and said to him “ It’s only the first hole and this new putter has already paid big dividends”, and my partner agreed, and we both laughed about it. Over the two days I made six 15-20ft putts and overall putted the best I have in years. I’m very happy I chose the Allen putter, but I am also sure that spending the time out on practice greens working on putting has every bit as much to do with my improvement. To wrap things up I guess I would say that if anyone was to ask me if I would recommend this putter, I would without hesitation say absolutely YES👍⛳️👍
We LOVE to hear this! Thanks so much for being a member of our #PXGTroops community! Hope you are able to get that Allan out there again soon! ^Delaney
So is it a true zero torque putter, or one that always “finds home” - which is it? If you can’t make a firm swing like you’d need for a 30+ footer without it twisting then it’s not zero torque. What you have here is a “low torque” putter where the torque is minimal on short putts. I’m sure it’ll still be better for keeping face square to path than most traditional putters, but slightly misleading here. Not to mention lack of custom lie angles means it’ll never be truly no torque anyways for your personal stroke and stance. The emphasis in this video comparing to L.A.B. Golf and their claims implies two things: 1) LAB putters truly are that are revolutionary and other manufacturers are going to follow suit, and 2) PXG only got 80% there in trying to put a competitor product in the market.
L.A.B. putters require you to have a precise setup because they maintain their balance throughout the stroke. If your alignment is off, the putter face will be too. On the other hand, PXG Allan and Axis1 putters are designed to naturally square up to your target line, compensating a bit for less-than-perfect setup. They're more forgiving, helping you maintain a square face even if your alignment isn’t spot on. It's like having a putter that nudges you in the right direction versus one that insists you be perfect from the get-go.
@@Jobeniso7exactly it’s pretty obvious lab is telling the truth deep down they really do want to make the best putter and he actually has a passion. PXG is a giant making cheap knockoffs and trying to sound fancy.
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I’m a LAB guy and have been using my DF2.1 for three years. The PXG putter looks great, and I’m glad both sides are not taking cheap shots. I think the PXG putter will help a lot of people putt better. But I’m not leaving my LAB.
Watching this makes me more convinced that LAB technology really does work.
Yeah, for their putter. LMFAO.
Their putter is more toe up design. Not torqueless
I get the opposite vibe about LAB, we dont support the shaft at the bottom of the putter, if the LAB putter was in the PXG revealer it would not point towards the target. I think PXGs offering makes more sense
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Really? That’s what you took from this video? Sounds like you already had your mind made up before it started.
Bought my DF3 last week & it sure is sweet 😄
I thought the whole point of zero torque putters was that the goal was to prevent the putter from having any say in what the face is doing and put all of that responsibility on the user. Thats always been one of my favorite parts of lab is how it has no desire to "find home" or twist or anything. I feel like this tech is cool for a certain market but marketing as a lab competitor when the goal isnt even the same thing is just kind of wierd
So then how is a toe hang or face balanced putter wanting to “return home” different than this. The act of wanting to find home is torque.
I see a lot of comments on LAB and the Allan from golfers who have tried neither, which s not very informative for anyone. I have had both, the MEZZ and i now have the Allan putter, so i have hands on experience for both. The MEZZ i struggled with especially distance control which is normally a strength of mine. It was good from 10 feet and in, but didnt notice any real improvement from my EVNROLL gamer. I kept it about a month and moved it on. I have now had the Allan for a few weeks and can honestly say i have never puttered as well, both distance control and holing out. Im a 6 handicapper but have always felt i should hole more 6-10 footers, and with the Allan i have. Just played today and Arccos had me as +6.4 strokes gained putting, 26 putts and holed everything inside 10 feet and a couple longer ones. I dont care who has the best zero torque putter or how they achieve it. All i know is this putter feels incredibly stable and it doesnt work against you natural path, its a funny feeling but it just works and has improved my putting. Im sure the LAB putters are equally as good, but for me i didnt get on with it.
@@liangchu3930 Hi, i just never got to grips with distance control, i was always way short and when i tried to get to the hole i was 6 feet past. Ive had the Allan a few weeks now and quite a few rounds under the belt and my distance control is spot on, it feels very stable on mishits from distance especially when you dont always get it out of the middle.
Well put! I too had the Mezz 1 for about 6 months with little success. This video helps me understand why I still felt like I was "fighting" the Mezz 1. I know have the Allan and it is so darn carefree! I trust the putter itself, that it will go along with the "ride." I never felt that way with the Mezz. When I purchased the Mezz, I was under the impression that it would cruise along with my hands, but it doesn't in the same way that the Allan does...
Had all these putters in the bag before (link 1, mezz max broomstick, df2.1 and df3 for lab and allan for pxg) and liked the lab putter. Will say you don’t feel as much tech in the link 1 vs the df3 and df 2.1 but for the allan, i never felt any torque free design the lab had
Great to have options on the market. Pushing boundaries is great for the consumer. But you know when someone is doing it right, cause the competition has no choice but to “copy” what they’re doing.
i purchased an Allan putter and have now used it in 4 rounds. The last round being the best score at a 1-under 71 with a total of 28 putts on the day and I let a few get away. I like it. The putter feels good, and it looks much more like a traditional mallet which is the biggest reason I wanted to test it out. I think it will be an excellent putter for me based on the early feedback. I would like to add that I am not a PXG fan. I've tested some of their irons and found them to be a disaster in controlling distance and flighting a ball properly, but the putter I like.
"Zero torque" then puts it in the reveller and shows that it has torque
That was a different putter
It has zero torque being imposed on it, but the golfer will impose a torque on it that will counteract it. Even the LAB putter will torque if you twist it. These things are visual marketing aids, not scientific tools. The LAB putter being lie angle balanced will torque if you toe it down or up because then it is nor longer lie angle balanced. The PXG will torque if you rock it in a straight back straight through motion quickly because it is designed to resist torque on a slight arc.
@@RCGolfthat's one of the most ridiculous statements. What would you rather swing...something that is balanced and stays on target or something that is unbalanced and wants to actively veer off target? Yes there is human error and you might pull or push your stroke and add torque, but that's on you, at least with a true zero torque putter you know it's yourself that's messed up. Some of the statements I've seen are truly mind boggling. Let's just be objective - The lab has its short comings. It's expensive, it can't be easily mass produced so takes time to get to you and you can't easily trial or test it out, and it doesn't have a multitude of shapes and is centre shafted. But it is objectively zero torque so it stays square to the target on its lie. The PXG is not zero torque but is reasonably close, and can be mass produced so is cheaper and quicker to get to market. This doesn't make it bad at all, quite the opposite. It looks a much better option than your standard toe or face balanced putter both of which (espec the face balanced) will pull the putter open or closed as you swing back and thru. But just don't try to say it is something that it isn't - it looks a really good addition to the market but just like the Axis that Justin Rose uses, it's not truly zero torque
Awesome that we get more options as golfers! LAB does it their way, PXG does it their way. But everyone gets to choose! That's great for the market and great for the game. Keep innovating!
Yep, I had a fitting last Tuesday. It feels excellent in the hands. I made 5 straight putts with it! I just got an email that my new Allan is going to be delivered today. I'm looking forward to taking it out on the course!
Love to hear this! Let us know how the Allan games for you out on the course 🙌 ^Delaney
@@pxg For the first round with the Allan I averaged 1.56 putts per hole. My lifetime average is 2.1 PPH. That's like saving 9.7 strokes per round! I made putts from 12, 15, 18, & 24 feet. One more thing of note- NO three putts!
Why didnt you put the LAB putter in the tube and show us?
I think you know why. LOL
It wouldn't make a difference, their tool and the Lab tool do the same basic thing.
@uNkLeRaRa4 Oh? Then why does the PXG Allen flop around like a dying fish in the LAB revealer, but not in the PXG revealer?
@@jakesells2379 It does.... Did you not watch the video? They put the Allan in the Lab revealer, and if you're aggressively shaking it back and forth like you're having a seizure, yeah, it will move. But the PXG is a different design. It's "toe up" balanced so the face always returns to the same position. Maybe watch AND listen to the WHOLE video before making another comment?? 🤷🏼
@@uNkLeRaRa4 I've not seen any aggressive shaking - just a normal stroke shows the pxg does not stay as square to the target as a LAB. But I think the main takeaway is for everyone not to be butthurt by either putter. The LAB is truly zero torque but the price you pay for that is it's more expensive (custom) and that it can't be mass produced (time). Whereas the PXG can be mass produced (cheaper/more affordable and faster) and while it isn't truly zero torque like they might claim, it looks close enough that its fine for the majority of amateurs. If you can get something quicker and cheaper that does 80-90% of the job you are in a good place. Just don't get all brand loyal butt hurt brain washed - try it and see if it works for you. All that being said I have a LAB but would have no problem trying the PXG. Both have their place and pros/cons.
Like the way you can line up the putter! Like the long line/mallet shape! I have a hard time lining up the LAB putter!
We hope you can give this a try, John! Let us know if we can help with finding a fitting for you to give it a swing! ^Delaney
Can’t wait! Thank you for the heroes discount also!
Had a lab for a year, definitely helped me sink more putts. But longer putts weren’t there at all for me.
Got fit for the Allan, and my putting changed for the better drastically. Allan for the win.
Love it! So glad that the Allan is playing so well for you 🥳 ^Delaney
I'm a LAB customer and love my putter...seeing PXG find a way to leverage "the same" concept is validating. Both companies are innovators. I'd think a golfer would be very pleased with either LAB or Zero Torque Balance putters. EDIT: I have the link.1 putter. Works for me.
Just ordered mine, cant wait!
Very well explained. I've been saying this about LAB putters - by removing resistance, you remove additional feedback.
Sticking with my LAB DF 2.1 ALL DAY.
Have 35” DF3 and 35” Allan (which I was fitted for) Both are very good putters. After two weeks playing both, I prefer the look/feel over the ball of the Allan. For long lag putts 20+ feet the DF3 has been better.
I’m stuck between this and a LAB df3 or link. I’ve heard distance control on LABs. Any insight on the Allan?
Hi Matt - The Allan Putter also has excellent distance control. I honestly recommend giving them each a try to see which one works best with your swing. ^Chelsea
Oh, The Allan Parsons Project… putter, nice 👍🏻
Loving my LAB DF3. The Allan looks good too, slightly different design. With LAB i know the lie angle at 72 deg. was custom fit for me and there is no twisting to get it square to the target line. Im sure if had an Allan at 72 Deg it would play similar.
Zero torque at 2 feet it should say on website :)
Great looking putter with amazing looking technology.... looking forward to reviews as I was looking at a LAB broomstick for similar money and now have food for thought...
When do these PXG LAB Spider Tour putters go on sale ?
Very interested in this putter. I do have a PXG center about 45mins (Paramus, NJ) from me to visit. But, I would like to know more about the face Loft. I notice in most of the videos, on longer putts, I see the ball bounces/hops a little off the face, not a good thing. I read on your website the standard setitng for loft is 5* due to the shaft forward design, bvut can be ordered with less. Being a lefty, its hard to find different equipment setups to compare. Hope you offer more information. I am a straight back, slight arc on longer putts. I position the ball center/slightly foward. What would you reccomend for me. Thank you
@PXG will you be making putters with zero torque in other putter formats? like a more of a blade or double wide shape?
We are constantly experimenting, so now that we have received such a positive response from the Allan, we are definitely looking at trying it out with other styles. But no definite plans to release them in the near future. ^Chelsea
Love that PXG has moved into the area of low/no torque. There will be more, this is validation that there are other options besides toe down, face balanced, etc. Always switched and tried new putters for years never having sustained success and always questioning if the putter was right for my stroke. That stopped in 2016 since making the switch to LAB. TBH - I also couldn't handle the looks of the 2.1 but stuck with it because the results were too good and consistent. Made the move to the DF3 this past spring, its the best money i have spent on a piece of golf equipment! Cool to see LAB hang around and build a brand when everybody was laughing at them and me (some folks still are and always will - love the haters!). Their stuff won't be for everyone, no brand is... If it works then use it. All the best to PXG and the low/no torque movement.
Glad you found something that works for your game, Jeff! Thanks for the well wishes 🙌
I have a LAB putter, I love it. As I said in a previous comment why didn’t they put the LAB putter in their tool ? If the face didn’t stay straight in that then I’d see there is something different about the PXG putter, but if the LAB putter was to respond in the same way as the Allen…… ?
If you are swinging a putter with that much speed how many putts are you making? The point is to have face control in a smooth stroke! That’s why PXG is better.
ok, so your car should only be crash rated for, what, 35mph? because that's the speed you usually drive at?
it's insufficient logic to say that the amount of torque introduced by a putter is dependent upon the speed with which you swing the putter. LAB putters pass the revealer test at any speed; the Allan does not. it fails worse the more speed you introduce. by definition it shouldn't be viewed as zero torque.
Actually according to this video you don’t have any face control because it wants to “find home” all by itself.
@@grahamkirk9386.LMFAO, you're not very bright. He used LAB tool and PXG putter found the home of being square faced. LAB putter didn't. Wow.
@@grahamkirk9386 you must be a Democrat, you left out the home is a square face. Typical.
@@fitzgerald1337x Wow, you must be an engineer. Sure, you are. I know you're not very bright though.
Options options options. Both are great. That pick up pocket is key!!
Cool. Good to know LAB putter really works! I’m on my way getting one!
Go get one then. You still suck at golf.
Hi @baibaibailu - Same end goal, totally different technology. We invite you to learn more here: www.pxg.com/en-us/allan-putter/PT-PXG7-ALLAN.html ^Chelsea
nice video, exactly what I want to know, comparing to LAB
Glad you found it useful 👍 ^Chelsea
This makes more sense than the LAB. I tried a LAB and it seemed to make it difficult to make a proper stroke and release the head properly. I guess if you're straight back straight through it's fine
I got the PXG Allan putter after watching many of these videos. After one round I noticed the head is becoming slightly loose from the shaft. Love the putter and even made an 18 foot eagle putt that day. Really disappointed with the quality control though as they said I’d have to ship it back across the country to Arizona for repair. So I’ll be without my brand new putter for weeks once again after waiting weeks for it to arrive. The putter is much better looking than anything LAB has made. I’m hoping this is a one time thing and not a trend for the Allan or PXG.
I am really sorry to hear this JD. I hope they are able to get everything set and ready for you. If there is an issue in the future (which hopefully doesn't happen!) please don't hesitate to contact us. Thanks! ^Delaney
Does that putter come back home?
Lab all the way
PXG all the way.
A putter that wants to move a certain way or to "find home," by definition has torque. Kudos to PXG for embracing (copying) technology that goes against their previous putter designs as well as 99% of the putter designs on the market. They say "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" so I know that Sam and the boys at LAB Golf are sincerely flattered.
If the putter is kept square during the stroke there would be no torque. If the face becomes open or closed during the stroke then there would be torque "pulling" that face back to square.
@@gtn1994I think the fact he showed the lab stayed in the position he put it down in and swung like that shows that is true zero torque....the fact that the Alan face always points straight forward there must be torque pushing it back to this position....I think both are great....I just think the lab is a more engineered product and each one is bespoke....I can't see how the PXG in different lengths and lie angles will balance the same just by bending the hosel
Really? Where you get your engineering degree from?
@robinc3307 not particularly sold on the revealer showing true zero torque since it is supported so low on the shaft, where in reality it should be where the hands would go. Especially with press grips where the axis of the hands differ from the shaft.
I do believe all these putters have so little torque it essentially doesnt matter. Someone gave the analogy that torque is similar to driving a car that has a slight pull, and you constantly have to counteract it. My take is that when you get so little torque simply placing your hands on the wheel is enough to take out that pull.. the only time you would notice it is if you take your hands off completely, similar to using a device like the revealer. So unless you plan on putting with the revealer I dont think it matters once you get below a certain torque.
@@gtn1994 I've watched both the PXG and LAB's own videos...in PXG's own video they got no movement in the lab style revealer...yet in the LAB video the PXG putter didn't stay straight... I guess maybe it's the length and lie angle....im also interested if PXG adjust each individual putter as LAB do....I'm not biased on either putter as I don't own one or the other...been tempted to go for a LAB fitting but like the more traditional look of the Alan...
I don't have any engineering qualifications..but I have an opinion ...but it could be wrong
The Allan looks soooo much better than the cattle branding iron LAB makes
Hey if looks is what your going for than your right. But performance and feel LAB is superior
@@TheOliverFam_ i want both … looks and performance.
@@TheOliverFam_ Respectfully, we don't agree. ^Colby
@@zachsimpson2600 if LAB is so good, why do you need 6 of them? Rotating a different one every round? Lol
I have an Allan putter, at first the face seemed too soft could not get the right speed, but after less then a month I’m getting it.
With the Zero Torque Technology, the Allan Putter definitely takes some getting used to 💯 Glad it's working for you now! ^Chelsea
I have one and I love it!
KABOOM BABY! Glad to hear it's working well for you 🙌 ^Chelsea
Good thing I know how to hold a putter and the LAB won’t fight me. PXG is a good company, but this makes them look small.
Also, good video, but you really need to find a way to clarify how this is different to the LAB putter because people obviously aren’t getting it. I’d recommend a separate video with a side by side of both putters in the revealer held parallel to the ground (camera facing the sole of the putters). Have them both starting in a face balanced position then let go of both to show your putter returning to a toe up position while the LAB putter doesn’t move. Then when you sell an extra 300 of them I wouldn’t say no to a complimentary putter 😉
For me rocking shoulders correctly is the only way to go. Tried face balance, LAB, toe hang it is similar result in direction accuracy, only difference for me is the speed created by each putter.
Glad you found what works best for your game 👍 ^Chelsea
I wish there was a place where i could putt these side by side. lab df3 vs allan.
I mean you can’t call it a ‘zero torque balance’ putter and then admit it does have torque 😂
Try the PXG in the same cradle as the DF 3 from LAB
Definitely better than a toe down design, the downside is the effects are reduced the more upright the putter is. There’s less need for this putter to be fitted than with LAB but I would argue it won’t be as stable as a properly fitted LAB putter
That being said most people aren’t getting their putters fitted so this would arguably be better for the average person off the shelf who knows nothing about their putting stroke
Good video. LAB did one too. Funny how LAB got the PXG to spin more then you and vise versa.
Interesting. The pick up pocket is the technology that will sell it. Actually, now I think about it ... if that putter holed everything, the pick up pocket would be redundant!?
I'm sure that the Allan is a decent, well crafted putter. However, this presentation shows that 'Zero-Torque' does not apply. Even if they HAD done the science correctly for one standard lie angle, any lie customization would throw things out of whack for the Allan. Physics is tricky like that.
PXG, sell an 0211 version of the Allan for $200 and you will dominate the putter market.
Now just have to be able to read the putt.
And know how hard to hit it
Didn't Edel do this even before LAB? Edel, Axis or LAB all have great tech, now so does PXG. Next will be Ping, Odyssey, SC. So what?
Odyssey Backstryke came out over 10 years ago
Exactly this! Credit to LAB for popularizing this tech, but they are far from the first to build a putter around this concept... everyone is acting like PXG is ripping off an original design. I believe the Backstryke and the Tommy Armour Zaap Alpha putters have been referenced as a couple of inspirations for LABs zero torque design.
I truly enjoy my DF3, but this cultish following is a bit annoying. Nothing against Sam Hahn as he appears to have shown class when talking about competitors products and their takes on zero torque, just more so annoyed with the fanbase.
The backstryke still spins in the Revealer. I love Sam, and he's a great dude. He's done wonderful things since taking over LAB, but he didn't invent the putter...
Not the same tech, they look the same through the putting stroke but the physics are different
Putter looks cool I want one
Let us know if we can help find a fitting near you! ^Delaney
Interesting that you make excuses for why the Allan rotates back and forth (stroke too aggressive) but when using the LAB putter refuse to acknowledge that NO ONE would attempt a putt with the face facing anywhere but towards the target. I'm sure the Allan is a great putter but doing that makes you seem disingenuous.
I just took it as him showing the difference between the two.
LAB put out a video first. This felt like a reasonable and respectful response.
While people are going to try and lump these together, there are two totally different approaches going on here.
At least that was my takeaway from the video. 🤷♂️
wait and see which one win more Prize on tour.
EXACTRLY!!!! that's why I thought LAB putters didn't make any sense. If I don't keep the face square with LAB putter, it's no good. Allan putter make a lot more sense to me..
Oh god you had me until the pick up pocket 😂
Why is that? That is one of our customers' favorite features. ^Chelsea
@ it was just such a technical demo with one of the most engineered putters you’ve ever created just to slide in the pick up pocket as if it was just as important. It was just so funny to see at the end of such a great demo.
That's why so many players on tour are using this putter right? Because it has better technology? The best players in the world are going to use what is best period, and it is not this at the moment. 🤔
Hi Vincent. This putter came out in the middle of the pro golf season - so a lot of players are not going to switch during their flow. You may see it more next season. Have a great day! ^Delaney
I really like this Allen putter, but LAB offers a lot more lie angle choices. all the way up to 79.5
We invite you to give them both a try and see which one works better for your swing 😄
@@pxgCan you build one with a 79.5 lie angle?
Is that zero torque spotter a prop from an Austin Powers movie?
Everybody’s going to have an opinion based off of the brand you invested your money in. I went with the PXG for a few different reasons, the price wasn’t a factor. Only time will tell if I made the right choice but if it helps me shave a stroke or two off most rounds of golf It’ll be money well spent.
Keep us updated how you are playing on the greens 👍 ^Delaney
I received my new Allan Putter on September 19, unfortunately, I went on vacation for a week so I wasn’t able to even try it out until the last weekend in September, I practiced all weekend long for a total of six hours. During those six hours I seem to have not only gotten used to the feel of my new putter but I also found a very nice putting stroke which had lost me over the last two seasons. I was able to squeeze in two practice rounds before I played in the biggest tournament of the year for me. I putted pretty decent for those two practice rounds, enough to give me a newfound confidence heading into the big tournament. Hilariously I sank a 20 foot put on the very first hole of the tournament, turn to my partner and said to him “ It’s only the first hole and this new putter has already paid big dividends”, and my partner agreed, and we both laughed about it. Over the two days I made six 15-20ft putts and overall putted the best I have in years. I’m very happy I chose the Allen putter, but I am also sure that spending the time out on practice greens working on putting has every bit as much to do with my improvement. To wrap things up I guess I would say that if anyone was to ask me if I would recommend this putter, I would without hesitation say absolutely YES👍⛳️👍
We LOVE to hear this! Thanks so much for being a member of our #PXGTroops community! Hope you are able to get that Allan out there again soon! ^Delaney
So is it a true zero torque putter, or one that always “finds home” - which is it? If you can’t make a firm swing like you’d need for a 30+ footer without it twisting then it’s not zero torque. What you have here is a “low torque” putter where the torque is minimal on short putts. I’m sure it’ll still be better for keeping face square to path than most traditional putters, but slightly misleading here. Not to mention lack of custom lie angles means it’ll never be truly no torque anyways for your personal stroke and stance. The emphasis in this video comparing to L.A.B. Golf and their claims implies two things: 1) LAB putters truly are that are revolutionary and other manufacturers are going to follow suit, and 2) PXG only got 80% there in trying to put a competitor product in the market.
Bro really spun the putter in slo motion in an effort to prove it’s “forgiveness” 😂😂😂
L.A.B. putters require you to have a precise setup because they maintain their balance throughout the stroke. If your alignment is off, the putter face will be too.
On the other hand, PXG Allan and Axis1 putters are designed to naturally square up to your target line, compensating a bit for less-than-perfect setup. They're more forgiving, helping you maintain a square face even if your alignment isn’t spot on.
It's like having a putter that nudges you in the right direction versus one that insists you be perfect from the get-go.
Send me one so I can compare it to my LAB Mezz 1 Max, in real world testing.
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So funny seeing one company debunking the other and then that company de-debunking the other. You just don't know who is telling the truth.
Its pretty obvious who is telling the truth
@@Jobeniso7exactly it’s pretty obvious lab is telling the truth deep down they really do want to make the best putter and he actually has a passion. PXG is a giant making cheap knockoffs and trying to sound fancy.
The technology employed in the Allan Putter is proprietary to PXG. Check out our Allan Putter videos to learn more about what sets our new club apart from the competition.
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Looks like a winner !!!!! Gimme the PXG putter any day of the week .... the LAB putter is downright ugly ....
Would love to hear what you think after you give it a try! ^Chelsea
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Wait… you moved the Allen head to face the “target” and then said “it wants to return to home”. Am I missing something here?
Yeah, it returns home where you lined up the putt.
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