Peeling paint is an unfortunate issue with 787s and A350s due to their composite structure. If you Google, you'll see some 787s covered in speedtape after paint repairs had been done. I guess this plane just hasn't had a moment to get to maintenance and get the paint patched. Adhesion is hard on carbon fiber and, purely my guess, the extra flex on these beautiful 787 wings doesn't help.
Honestly, your cinematics is one of the best of all travellors youtubers. The attention to details, the choreography, the music selection, the in-coming animation windows [concised]. I thoroughly enjoyed your reviews. Looking forward to more of your videos
Loved the "cats and shiba inus" part. I was thinking of "maneki neko" instead of cats, but then the whole thing might have been missed... LOL... I don't know about the ANA livery. I think the biggest issue is for the livery -- and the overall corporate identity -- to be associated with Japan. As you know, back in the '80s it was all about 3-letter abbreviations for brands, so they used 3 kanjis to cut short the name of "Zen Nihon Kuyu", which was styled as All Nippon Airways in English. But back then they did have the kanjis and the name Nippon in there. Then they did away with that for the sake of simplifying things. But eventually they realized they needed something to give roots to the brand, and used the tagline for when 787s came onboard and when they had a hardware and software redesign with the "Inspiration of Japan" line. I still think the brand fails to deliver in easy identification. In Spanish- and Portuguese-speaking countries people think it's funny for an airline to use a female name as a brand. At any rate, I enjoyed the video very much. Thank you.
The 787 is notable for having very flexible wings made of CFRP. The wings really bow upwards a lot when flying; this perfectly OK and actually contributes to passenger comfort. But I don't think the paint likes it. Note the paint is missing where the wing deflects the most.
Two other factors: paint hardens over time so it's more brittle. The top of the outboard wing area is subject to a pretty intense low pressure so the paint is being sucked up all the time during flight.
No I did not check a bag. Generally full service Japanese carriers aren't strict on domestic routes simply because they know the vast majority of (Japanese) fliers will follow the regulations correctly. As for my rating, my score is at the end of each video.
“It was raining cats and Shiba Inu’s” 🤣🤣🤣 Another short but sweet review! Did I read correctly there is another 🚨 review to be published before the Qantas one? I’ll get the 🍿 ready 🤭 Thank you 🙏🏼
The bright yellow tactile paths you see in Japanese train stations, airports, bus stations, etc are for the sight impaired (blind). In addition, one hears in the background a continuous’”ding dong” chime to alert the sight impaired that a safe and special oath is available for their use. Japan seems years ahead re handicap aids. I remember hearing bird-like chirping sounds at Japanese crosswalks letting the sight-impaired kniw that it is safe to cross decades before I noticed them in the U.S. I have even seen handicapped public toilets in Japan with colostomy bag disposals. As for peeling paint on composite aircraft parts, I have noticed what looks like temporary tape until a scheduled maintenance. As for shiba inus, aren’t they cute? They look like a miniature version of a full grown 120 pound Akita. I’m enjoying your Japan series and will provide more comments on other vids as Japan is one of my favorite countries.
Yes, agreed- but I will say, they have some of the most "aggressive" paths I've ever encountered. Much more pronounced than any other country I've been to. Near impossible to wheel a spinner bag over them haha
Great video. Agreed on a bit letdown by ANA domestic economy. Flew HND-ITM last month on the 772 and the seats were so hard and small. JAL is much better domestically
Always superb to witness your thrilling journey in Japan Kevin! I am envious of such amazing service on a domestic route in Japan which is a striking difference from appalling services even on first class here in the US.
@@tfft hahaha I'm just waiting for the RUclips short movie style trailer at this point - roos on a plane. Now I'm curious who this mysterious airline is!!! Keep up the great work
Finally booked on JAL to Tokyo for next year! But its 8 (!!!) months away. You'll been around the world another 4 times by then. (not jealous at all, nope not one bit) Also: I really like the "next five videos coming out" concept in the description. A very nice feature!
The music in yourJapan series vids is quite tasteful. In this vid I think I heard some koto. I also think I saw the Sky Tree earlier on the approach to HND. Thx!
Singapore's livery is also from the 70s/80s, but granted that it got slightly refreshed and evolved overtime. The long stretch along both sides of the fuselage is so 70s.
A quick stop in Taipei, a surprise out of order 2 drama videos... and then I'll be starting my grand Kangaroo Route series which I posted on my Community tab about some months ago.
If you want to talk about airline liveries that hasn't changed all that much since the 80's, you gotta include Singapore Airlines along with ANA. Yes, like ANA, SQ has made subtle changes to their airline livery over the years, but its fundamentally more or less the same airline livery it was in the 80's. Its one of the few major airlines today to still retain a "cheatline". As for peeling paint, shrugs, yes not aesthically pleasing, but not really a safety issue, so not really such a big issue in my opinion. As for tight legroom, true, but honestly what do you expect on a short-haul domestic flight where they have to pack in the passenger volume to maximize efficiency and revenue? Just be thankful you don't have to endure that for a long-haul flight. :)
In concept, yeah, you're right about SQ- I think the reason I didn't think about it is simply how different it looks currently compared to in the 80s, even if technically, it's not that much different.
@@tfft The reason it seems different to you even when its not radically different in reality is the secret to the success of SQ's logo and livery. Its evergreen and doesn't really age. Its not a "fad" design that goes out of fashion with the season. Little changes you mention to the livery makes it look new again, even if the substance hasn't really change all that much. The same goes for ANA's design. As they say, if ain't broken, why fix it?
As others have said the 787 is susceptible to paint chips on the wings. Didn’t know that either until last October when I rode on a LATAM 787 AKL-SYD… its wings were probably missing about half of their paint 😅 definitely threw me off guard
Those seats (Recaro 3510A/CL3510A, after checking some marketplace sites) look more like a 30' for me. Usually Recaro is quite good in making the seatback pocket area look slim, compared to, let's say, the all-too-common Collins Spectrum used in GA and AK and Collins Pinnacle used in QG, MM, GA, TG, and CX. Perhaps that actually boosted legroom by an inch or two, which caused them to advertise it as 31'-32'? Idk if their newer Toyota Boshoku seats are way more comfortable or not. But if I were ANA, I would definitely go for a slimmer seat to fix the "room for improvement" points. Perhaps they can use those Toyota Boshoku seats or opt for a slimmer Recaro SL3510, SL3710, Geven Essenza, or Safran Z110i.
I would agree with 30", but if they are measuring pitch correctly (and legally in some regards) the seat back pockets have no impact on seat pitch- which is simply the measurement between the exact same two points on two rows of seats. Thanks for sharing ✈️
Lovely filming - not sure why anyone would expect many amenities on a Japanese domestic flight though, unless you pay for premium service up front. Japanese domestic flights, especially between major cities, are timed, priced, and outfitted to basically compete with shinkansen service.
Kevin - Peeling paint on the wing is common, sadly, on 787s that have been in storage for some time (Think COVID). I'm surprised, though, that NH haven't fixed it by now, given their aircraft are usually spotless.
That's pretty shameful that the flight arrived a whopping 9 minutes late. I hope you received a thousand pardons (jokes!). Regarding the liveries, I would throw in Singapore Airlines for having a classic, timeless livery that has been around for several decades. Thank you for another great video!
How tight the flight time was. Your flight departed 2 minutes late but ended up landing 9 minutes late. In my country, it's common that the flight will arrive on time even if it departs 30 minutes late
@@tfft I dont know if you have notice but there's a huge golf course right next to the 2 runways of SGN. Our city many times wanted to demolish ot to expand the airport but it was rejected (rumors say that is because it's politicians' favorite place to entertain) :)))))
Hay I think Peeling paint is a "common occurrence" on aircraft that have been in service for more than four years. Should flight attendants be informed in such cases? 10:26
First of all, your tour is absolutely not fair. A friend of mine flew into Tokyo from the south and told.me about that approach so when I did it the next year, I was hoping to see it. I say rain clouds. Second, yes the pealing paint is normal and safe, but not desirable. While composite wing panels have been around for decades the 787 and A350 use carbon fiber for their wings and the paint doesnt adhere well to the wings. I suspect the 777X will have the same issue when its around 10 years old although i did hear that they had found a better formulation.
Not related but some news: Jetblue plans to add a domestic first class but plans to reduce pitch in coach from 32 inches to 30 inches. Which is very sad!
cats and Shiba Inus...! Did you happen to turn around after being served on the Shinkansen and watch the person bow they leave the train car even though everyone is facing the other way?
You found out the difference between ANA’s regional 787’s and the long haul ones . I had one between bkk and nrt. Miserable compared to the one from Seattle to Tokyo.
10:05 perhaps since ANA own a piece of PAL, they asked PAL to refurb the paint job on this airplane supervised by PAL’s lazy purser so they did a hack job since the lazy purser is nowhere to be seen to supervise 😂
Kinda, it's definitely an old livery, but Air China didn't exist until 1988. Before that all Chinese airlines were consolidated as CAAC- which they inherited the livery from.
Why don't you take advantage of the new policy for foreigners in China where they can visit for 144 hours (6 days) withouta visa? Since the top-end hotel brands had their best property in China. For example, the Park Hyatt in Suzhou easily beat PH NYC by a mile. And it only costs 200-250USD per night. Like in China, for the money I spent one night in the Hyatt regency in Chicago can buy me a stay at PH Shanghai at one of the highest building in the world.
Well, price is not the only determining factor- and I've had a visa for years. China is still a bit of a mess when it comes to international tourism post covid. I'm patiently waiting for that not to be the case. I'll be there next year.
Peeling paint is an unfortunate issue with 787s and A350s due to their composite structure. If you Google, you'll see some 787s covered in speedtape after paint repairs had been done. I guess this plane just hasn't had a moment to get to maintenance and get the paint patched. Adhesion is hard on carbon fiber and, purely my guess, the extra flex on these beautiful 787 wings doesn't help.
I afraid carbon fiber is big mistake...
It's mainly wing flex, note where the paint has fallen off - the wing area with the most deflection.
All makes sense- surely we've seen lots of peeling paint on fuselages, just never knew it was kosher on top of a wing!
@@tfft yeah. Not a good look.
@@Alexriga Planes aside, remember OceanGate last year?
Honestly, your cinematics is one of the best of all travellors youtubers. The attention to details, the choreography, the music selection, the in-coming animation windows [concised]. I thoroughly enjoyed your reviews. Looking forward to more of your videos
Appreciate that!
Love the phrase "raining cats and shiba inus" 😂😂
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I love Fukoaka’s airport designator - FUK.
Singapore Airlines' livery was first introduced in 1972 and then refreshed in 1987. The uniforms similarly remained largely the same
Thanks for sharing ✈️
Loved the "cats and shiba inus" part. I was thinking of "maneki neko" instead of cats, but then the whole thing might have been missed... LOL...
I don't know about the ANA livery. I think the biggest issue is for the livery -- and the overall corporate identity -- to be associated with Japan. As you know, back in the '80s it was all about 3-letter abbreviations for brands, so they used 3 kanjis to cut short the name of "Zen Nihon Kuyu", which was styled as All Nippon Airways in English. But back then they did have the kanjis and the name Nippon in there. Then they did away with that for the sake of simplifying things. But eventually they realized they needed something to give roots to the brand, and used the tagline for when 787s came onboard and when they had a hardware and software redesign with the "Inspiration of Japan" line. I still think the brand fails to deliver in easy identification. In Spanish- and Portuguese-speaking countries people think it's funny for an airline to use a female name as a brand.
At any rate, I enjoyed the video very much. Thank you.
Thanks for sharing ✈️
The 787 is notable for having very flexible wings made of CFRP. The wings really bow upwards a lot when flying; this perfectly OK and actually contributes to passenger comfort. But I don't think the paint likes it. Note the paint is missing where the wing deflects the most.
Two other factors: paint hardens over time so it's more brittle. The top of the outboard wing area is subject to a pretty intense low pressure so the paint is being sucked up all the time during flight.
Thanks for sharing ✈️
great video. T... Did you check in a bag? Were they strict with the bags. How would you rate the flight overall
No I did not check a bag. Generally full service Japanese carriers aren't strict on domestic routes simply because they know the vast majority of (Japanese) fliers will follow the regulations correctly. As for my rating, my score is at the end of each video.
“It was raining cats and Shiba Inu’s” 🤣🤣🤣 Another short but sweet review! Did I read correctly there is another 🚨 review to be published before the Qantas one? I’ll get the 🍿 ready 🤭 Thank you 🙏🏼
100% yes. Actual, confirmed identity theft, because of or directly from an airline. Been dealing with it for weeks 😓
@@tfft 😰
Thanks for the video, I am looking forward to fly with ANA!
Enjoy your trip 🗺️
The bright yellow tactile paths you see in Japanese train stations, airports, bus stations, etc are for the sight impaired (blind). In addition, one hears in the background a continuous’”ding dong” chime to alert the sight impaired that a safe and special oath is available for their use.
Japan seems years ahead re handicap aids. I remember hearing bird-like chirping sounds at Japanese crosswalks letting the sight-impaired kniw that it is safe to cross decades before I noticed them in the U.S. I have even seen handicapped public toilets in Japan with colostomy bag disposals.
As for peeling paint on composite aircraft parts, I have noticed what looks like temporary tape until a scheduled maintenance.
As for shiba inus, aren’t they cute? They look like a miniature version of a full grown 120 pound Akita.
I’m enjoying your Japan series and will provide more comments on other vids as Japan is one of my favorite countries.
Yes, agreed- but I will say, they have some of the most "aggressive" paths I've ever encountered. Much more pronounced than any other country I've been to. Near impossible to wheel a spinner bag over them haha
Longtime Tokyo resident: yes and no. The audio aids are excellent, elevator location and access, not so great.
With the waving off of the JAL A350, may have been a dignitary on board, rock star, retiring captain, new flight number.
Perhaps, but I guess they were sitting on both sides haha
I have really enjoyed this Japan series. Thanks you Kevin.
Thanks very much 🙏🏻
Great video. Agreed on a bit letdown by ANA domestic economy. Flew HND-ITM last month on the 772 and the seats were so hard and small. JAL is much better domestically
Agreed!
Always superb to witness your thrilling journey in Japan Kevin! I am envious of such amazing service on a domestic route in Japan which is a striking difference from appalling services even on first class here in the US.
Thanks very much 🙏🏻
I'm just waiting for that Qantas video(s) and Qantas doing something to ruin the intro... Kinda like waiting for the Avengers movies! Lol
They're coming for sure, but there's actually an unexpected drama video coming out earlier before them lol (different airline).
@@tfft hahaha I'm just waiting for the RUclips short movie style trailer at this point - roos on a plane. Now I'm curious who this mysterious airline is!!! Keep up the great work
Finally booked on JAL to Tokyo for next year! But its 8 (!!!) months away. You'll been around the world another 4 times by then. (not jealous at all, nope not one bit)
Also: I really like the "next five videos coming out" concept in the description. A very nice feature!
Thanks for calling out that you enjoy it. Was actually on the fence about reducing it, so good to know some are still using it!
The music in yourJapan series vids is quite tasteful. In this vid I think I heard some koto. I also think I saw the Sky Tree earlier on the approach to HND. Thx!
Thanks very much 🙏🏻
Singapore's livery is also from the 70s/80s, but granted that it got slightly refreshed and evolved overtime.
The long stretch along both sides of the fuselage is so 70s.
Yeah, technically just slightly changed, but in feel, SQ of now feels much more modern than decades ago.
Khun Flip Flop San really puts Fuku in Fukuoka
Thanks for watching 🩴
I have LOVED your Japan series. Which country is next?
A quick stop in Taipei, a surprise out of order 2 drama videos... and then I'll be starting my grand Kangaroo Route series which I posted on my Community tab about some months ago.
Another great video. Thanks Kevin!
Thanks very much 🙏🏻
Qantas livery since 1984, slightly refreshed in 2007
Thanks for sharing ✈️
it got modernised again in 2016
Thanks for the info + video!
Thanks for watching 🩴
If you want to talk about airline liveries that hasn't changed all that much since the 80's, you gotta include Singapore Airlines along with ANA. Yes, like ANA, SQ has made subtle changes to their airline livery over the years, but its fundamentally more or less the same airline livery it was in the 80's. Its one of the few major airlines today to still retain a "cheatline". As for peeling paint, shrugs, yes not aesthically pleasing, but not really a safety issue, so not really such a big issue in my opinion. As for tight legroom, true, but honestly what do you expect on a short-haul domestic flight where they have to pack in the passenger volume to maximize efficiency and revenue? Just be thankful you don't have to endure that for a long-haul flight. :)
In concept, yeah, you're right about SQ- I think the reason I didn't think about it is simply how different it looks currently compared to in the 80s, even if technically, it's not that much different.
@@tfft The reason it seems different to you even when its not radically different in reality is the secret to the success of SQ's logo and livery. Its evergreen and doesn't really age. Its not a "fad" design that goes out of fashion with the season. Little changes you mention to the livery makes it look new again, even if the substance hasn't really change all that much. The same goes for ANA's design. As they say, if ain't broken, why fix it?
Always until the end!
Thanks very much 🙏🏻
You will see Scoot's wing full of patches of paint over
Thanks for watching 🩴
Peeling paint is no worry. You see this a lot on QR/EK/ET due to sun. Some types are more prone than others as mentioned by another commenter.
Ah yah, I've seen it a lot over the years on fuselage, just never noticed it on the top of a wing! Thanks for sharing ✈️
Cats and Shiba Inu’s got be to laugh out loud. Coooooooool video. I get to travel in Japan with you.
Thanks very much 🙏🏻
I'm guessing the sneak peek of the video in the end is Mumbai to Delhi on AI A350
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Thanks for including airlines logo in the "Most Active Carrier" stat
Thanks for noticing!
As others have said the 787 is susceptible to paint chips on the wings. Didn’t know that either until last October when I rode on a LATAM 787 AKL-SYD… its wings were probably missing about half of their paint 😅 definitely threw me off guard
That's comforting, the plane about to fly the literal most remote flight on earth- who needs paint! haha.
Honestly the wing looks a hell lot better than the wings on Scoot's 787s.
I didn't see the top of the wings, but I can confirm my recent Scoot 787's nose looked like they just lost a bare knuckle fist fight lol
Those seats (Recaro 3510A/CL3510A, after checking some marketplace sites) look more like a 30' for me. Usually Recaro is quite good in making the seatback pocket area look slim, compared to, let's say, the all-too-common Collins Spectrum used in GA and AK and Collins Pinnacle used in QG, MM, GA, TG, and CX. Perhaps that actually boosted legroom by an inch or two, which caused them to advertise it as 31'-32'?
Idk if their newer Toyota Boshoku seats are way more comfortable or not. But if I were ANA, I would definitely go for a slimmer seat to fix the "room for improvement" points. Perhaps they can use those Toyota Boshoku seats or opt for a slimmer Recaro SL3510, SL3710, Geven Essenza, or Safran Z110i.
I would agree with 30", but if they are measuring pitch correctly (and legally in some regards) the seat back pockets have no impact on seat pitch- which is simply the measurement between the exact same two points on two rows of seats. Thanks for sharing ✈️
Lovely filming - not sure why anyone would expect many amenities on a Japanese domestic flight though, unless you pay for premium service up front. Japanese domestic flights, especially between major cities, are timed, priced, and outfitted to basically compete with shinkansen service.
Thanks, but who said many amenities were expected? lol
Kevin - Peeling paint on the wing is common, sadly, on 787s that have been in storage for some time (Think COVID). I'm surprised, though, that NH haven't fixed it by now, given their aircraft are usually spotless.
Thanks for sharing ✈️
Thank You ✈️
Thanks for watching 🩴
That's pretty shameful that the flight arrived a whopping 9 minutes late. I hope you received a thousand pardons (jokes!). Regarding the liveries, I would throw in Singapore Airlines for having a classic, timeless livery that has been around for several decades. Thank you for another great video!
45 bows actually (9 minutes x 5 pax).
@@tfft lol 😅
my united flight from chicago to frankfurt had such a beaten up wing 💀
The second word in your comment explains it all lol
How tight the flight time was. Your flight departed 2 minutes late but ended up landing 9 minutes late. In my country, it's common that the flight will arrive on time even if it departs 30 minutes late
That's what happens when you don't need to plan for unnecessary delays due to undersized airports lol. VN/VJ, ANA is not 😂
@@tfft I dont know if you have notice but there's a huge golf course right next to the 2 runways of SGN. Our city many times wanted to demolish ot to expand the airport but it was rejected (rumors say that is because it's politicians' favorite place to entertain) :)))))
Very nice trip report
Thanks very much 🙏🏻
"They are in great condition" ... camera pans over the cracked armrest. Nice narration! Just found that part a bit funny tho
Can't win 'em all.
Can you do both United's and Alaskan's milk run flights if you didn't already?
Alaska's is on my list- but not everyday I happen to be in Alaska haha.
Do you think the paint was similar to what Qatar experienced with their A350, ie an issue with the composite construction?
Not sure. I've seen peeling paint on aircraft of all origins, just never noticed on the top of a wing before!
"Let's take note of the fact that it's raining cats and Shiba Inus". 😂
Call it like I see it! 😅
Hay I think Peeling paint is a "common occurrence" on aircraft that have been in service for more than four years. Should flight attendants be informed in such cases? 10:26
Yah, I've seen it many times, just never on top of the wing before!
First of all, your tour is absolutely not fair. A friend of mine flew into Tokyo from the south and told.me about that approach so when I did it the next year, I was hoping to see it. I say rain clouds. Second, yes the pealing paint is normal and safe, but not desirable. While composite wing panels have been around for decades the 787 and A350 use carbon fiber for their wings and the paint doesnt adhere well to the wings. I suspect the 777X will have the same issue when its around 10 years old although i did hear that they had found a better formulation.
Not quite sure how to read this lol
Not related but some news: Jetblue plans to add a domestic first class but plans to reduce pitch in coach from 32 inches to 30 inches. Which is very sad!
Sad, but expected. Jetblue lost their edge years ago and were hanging onto a model that was no longer viable.
ANA festa is the best!
I do love the branded shops!
it's nice you're visiting tpe, starlux coming?
Yup!
cats and Shiba Inus...! Did you happen to turn around after being served on the Shinkansen and watch the person bow they leave the train car even though everyone is facing the other way?
Didn't need to turn becuase they do it while exiting the car in both directions 😉
You found out the difference between ANA’s regional 787’s and the long haul ones . I had one between bkk and nrt. Miserable compared to the one from Seattle to Tokyo.
Thanks for sharing ✈️
Well re the long-lived livery question... I guess AIR CHINA? (Although it DOES feel dated lol
They're a no on a technicality, Air China has only been around since 1988, they inhereted the bones of the livery from CAAC.
@@tfft Right that makes sense. Thank you for pointing that out! (Another reason for enjoying tfft: the rigorous research!!)
10:05 perhaps since ANA own a piece of PAL, they asked PAL to refurb the paint job on this airplane supervised by PAL’s lazy purser so they did a hack job since the lazy purser is nowhere to be seen to supervise 😂
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@@tfft did I tell you I love this Japan episodes you’ve been putting out. Travel safe always.
Mumbai to Delhi on... I would have said Air India, but it's missing a letter? Can't find another airline or train that fits either 🤔
Think outside the box lol
Pretty sure Air China's livery is also from the 80s, you can tell.
Kinda, it's definitely an old livery, but Air China didn't exist until 1988. Before that all Chinese airlines were consolidated as CAAC- which they inherited the livery from.
I flew ANA 787 from KIX to NHD in April, same experience.. the seats are way too tight!!
Thanks for sharing ✈️
China southern used the same livery since 1988, debuted on Boeing 737-200 or 757-200. And the livery has no any little update
Air China also didn’t change much since 1988 besides making the logo larger
That’s because none of those airlines existed before 1988 😅
@@tfft of course. So yeah the livery stayed the same since then. Decent history
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5:00 not so much a logo as the brand name .. 😂😂
Pretty sure I said livery 😉
Philippine Airlines livery is the oldest as well. 05:24
Yah, but their current livery came into play in '86. Thanks for watching 🩴
Why don't you take advantage of the new policy for foreigners in China where they can visit for 144 hours (6 days) withouta visa? Since the top-end hotel brands had their best property in China. For example, the Park Hyatt in Suzhou easily beat PH NYC by a mile. And it only costs 200-250USD per night. Like in China, for the money I spent one night in the Hyatt regency in Chicago can buy me a stay at PH Shanghai at one of the highest building in the world.
Well, price is not the only determining factor- and I've had a visa for years. China is still a bit of a mess when it comes to international tourism post covid. I'm patiently waiting for that not to be the case. I'll be there next year.
JAL is pronounced lika JA-l, not JAY-ay-el. On the other hand, ANA is pronounced like AY-en-ay.
But I wasn't speaking Japanese 😉- Have never heard it prounounced as you said in colloquial English.
What a terrible passenger experience in that cramped 787. Boeing have used the same flaps system since the 1960’s 777
"Terrible" seems like a stretch lol