I really enjoy these types of test! Great job Andy! It almost sounds like it "draws back" when it shifts from 1st to 2nd, but maybe just the sound on the video.
It’s not unusual for the factory tune to use timing along with other means to soften shifts in the attempt to protect the transmission. I’ve had to deal with it on my cars. One is a factory supercharged Pontiac V-6. Even with the so called heavy duty (HD) version of the 4T65E transmission , the reduction in power right before the shift is clearly noticeable. Rather than spend thousands on a aftermarket glorified transmission, I bought an optimized PCM tune for my own PCM that eliminates power reductions and provides crisp, not harsh shifts in all gears. The ZZP tune improved drivability and increased horsepower. The cost was only $125 and the results are priceless.
Karl was the man in the 90's with getting the first Gen Lightnings to shift properly. His updated controllers are the way, especially if you run a stand-alone ECU. I don't know of anyone else that understands the modern Ford transmission controls as well as he does. Our customers 30 years ago were always happy!
For not much more money than a new PI, I ordered an edelbrock because I’ve had to replace plastic intakes about 4 times over the last 6 years over a couple of different cars. I’d love to see more crown Vic content.
@@chosenundead5009 well it’s aluminum so it will not crack like the plastic. With the fuel rail and lines it was about 1k total, and it took some ingenuity to get the egr to fit. I would recommend it overall.
@@thenegus5469 ok, then don’t. Personally when I’m looking for power I tend to put the gas pedal to the floor so down low doesn’t concern me much. I’m just glad I won’t have to pull off plastic crap to stop a coolant leak again.
Thanks guys for your insights Although installing the Edelbrock needs some work and may change the power band but at least it won't crack I searched for a typhoon intake but first they are out of production and also they are very expensive even when in bad shape so looks like Edelbrock is the better alternative
An added bonus to the flow results would be to do a dragy comparison between the throttle bodies and a before and after dragy comparison of the one u are going to port , that would be cool, we see lots of flow testing which is cool but it will be even cooler to see the flow results then how much faster those flow numbers equates to on the dragy , that's something that nobody has done before that I know of and that would be awesome to see 😁 I might be asking for too much though 😅😂
I've had varied results on Dorman products. I know their LS2 intake flows better than stock. On the other hand, I purchased an exhaust manifold for a 2.4 Ecotec that was so bad, so restrictive in excess casting material, I returned it. I bought a Dorman rear axle shaft for an Astro van that the bearing wouldn't even fit. I'll buy Dorman parts if I don't have a choice but I'm pretty pessimistic on consistent quality from this once great supplier.
Hey Andy, Tim here, AMAZING dif from a driver style intake to the stock PI......neat vid......gonna follow this, as i'm quite curious........hope David is ok, nothin from his side in a while......hope he/his family is ok......us gear heads give a shit!!....PEACE my brother!!
Andy - RJS High Flow Converters… They are shaped like DV’s - Zero back pressure exhaust can… These converters are made in Germany. Used on Ferrari and Porsche… Supposedly these RJS High Flow converters flow 85% to 90% of a straight pipe. The reason I say this is for the sleeper effect.. Keeping these Crown Vics and Town Cars quiet. They say you know you’re getting old when you say “Turn the loud music down.” lol :)
Yes - Stock PI intake is a much better intake than Dorman Andy! I want to change timing chains and tensioners. Degree the cams - Lincoln Town Car 2006 What is the correct ICL Installed Center Line???? I know you’re the 4.6 2V master mind… You and DV
Look at the runners. That is the difference. The Ebay and Amazon Intake for $106 will work. Longevity is the problem. The Ebay intakes last about 2 to 3 years. I've never got more then 3 years out of the Ebay one. I paid $315 for a Factory PI intake and 5 years later it's still going.
Thanks for the video. And you are so right about the Dorman intakes and the stock transmission tune. Will be interesting to see what you can do with the tuner for the transmission.
I would like to interject here. Ford just came out with an updated intake, part number PU7Z-9424-A. They fixed absolutely everything wrong with the older design, by adding a reinforced metal rear heater hose nipple, and several other improvements. However, for some reason, Ford decided to pattern the runners and plenum after the Dorman intake. So, now it's just down to a matter of longevity; you're going to lose power, no matter what you do.
I have a '98 F-150,4.6, auto. What's the highest RPM you get in any gear? Second seems to shift later (RPM) than first? And the shifts are pretty soggy.
Andy, I am glad that you did this test as it a true comparsion. I have the exact same car with 278k miles on it. It does have a tune, Mercury Marauder mass air flow sensor and an 04 CVPI intake tube with the J-mod done to the transmission. IMO will loose low end torque with the Edelebrock as it has shorter intake runners. I want to see the gains that the TFS heads do with the stock cams and intake. My old Ford field engineer told me they worked hard to get as much tq and hp when they did the PI upgrade. These CV need bottom end torque to enhance the driving experience.
Totally cool, a real world, real feel test between these two intakes, and that's why you stay with the factory intake, great test Andy, yeah the flow test on the upper throttle body of all three would be awesome test and video.
Good video Andy, I belong to a few different 4.6 groups on facebook and there is always someone saying oh I replaced my intake with a dorman and didn't see any difference. The only way I see that result is if they didn't have the pi heads to start. Also would be nice to see the flow results of the different plenums. Keep up the great videos Andy.
Would love to see the tb test. Why not just get and sct plugin tuner and you can then change the shift algos and the firmness, and also tune the engine all in one. Great content!
Looking at the cheap intake manifolds on Rockauto, I noticed that the other aftermarket intakes didn't have the flattened ports like the Dorman. I wonder if one of those would flow as good as the Ford oem PI intake?
Yes, its the one sold under SKP/ATP/Autotecnica brand. This is the other aftermarket design. It would be interesting to know how it compares to Dorman style. It's somewhat important because Ford OE PI intake is discontinued. There seems to be some crown vic style ones left in stock, but mustang specific ones are long gone... So get them while you still can.
Interesting. The original all plastic intake on my ‘00 Mustang GT cracked a few years back and I installed a Dorman intake. Always wondered if that was a mistake. Your video just confirmed that it was.
thanks Andy,this is cool stuff and can also apply to the 2 valve mustang as well!!!.do you have any experience with the professional products typhoon intake?
The only experience I have with the Typhoon intake wasn't a good one.. bad casting and took alot of work to make it right.. but this was 15 years ago.. they do make for a nice intake once the casting flash is cleaned up. Once you get above the 320rwhp level it begins to show gains.. Hope this helps Andy
Have you tested the new intake from Ford (M-9424-P46A) since the old PI intake is very hard to find. It seems to be a hybrid between dorman and the old Ford pi intake, thanks for great videos on the 4,6
Definitely want to see the upper plenum flow tests. The PI trans settings are way better than the civilian version. Lastly, you need to put the PI air box and zip tube on the cr.
Pretty awesome stuff Andy! You ever messed with a Marauder? I used to know a guy that had several of them, one with a procharger on it. That sucker was pretty dang cool!
That's good information about the intakes but, I'm looking forward to the video on the _Quick 4_ , US Shift. I really wish US Shift made a standalone Quick 4 for Chrysler "RE's".
There are gains in the plenum/elbow. Ben Alameda pioneered that back in the day. After he started porting them and did a magazine article the aftermarket started producing them. Ben Alameda Racing on youtube, the man is pure genius.
What kind of loss are we looking at with the ford pi intake manifold vs an edelbrock victor jr with the adapter to run the stock elbow and throttle body? I have wondered if it'd be better to go with the victor jr vs dorman since we are losing with the Dorman anyhow. The edelbrock should open up top end considerably.
The Transgo re programming kit was first developed on my 92 GM 4L80e 250k miles and still runs and shifts great Switched to Citgo Quatrasyn for fluid check it out
Yes it would be Interesting 🤔 , I'm looking to get another mustang, late seventys I had a 289 four brl three speed coup and a 390C6 mustang coup, Then in the 80s a 77mustang2 fastback? Hatchback? 302 Then a 79 coup 5.0, 80 5.0 83 5.0 Now I got a 91 coupe DeVille with a 4.9 I like it, it's pretty good, but I need to get another mustang while I can. 🇺🇲🏁 Good videos 👍⚡🏁
for my 92 Grand Marquis I have a spare 50k mile 92 CV motor, I am planning on doing a swap to knock off 200 k miles what should I do to the CV motor before the swap. Both my motors are Before PI BTW a pick up truck 2 row radiator is a drop in as are PC blue silicone hoses. I run a big cooler and the PC oil cooler 0w-40 synthetic oil 85 -140 rear diff fluid. PC hd flex fan and later supplemental electric when the ac is on switched to 16 in wheels cheers big sway bars and pc shocks rides good
Looking at a 99 Mustang GT that has the original all plastic intake on it. Never had the recall done. Only has 70k on it and it's really nice...deal breaker?
Will someone please make a new better lower intake manifold? All the FRPP ones are gone. They had plenty of room to improve. My Lincoln and Mustang both need one! Help! Dorman/ATI running like a gimpie dog.
Brother, the Dorman intake is junk when it comes to performance. It work fine on a Towncar or on one that is a put put. If you don't car about performance. I've installed countless intakes on the Police interceptors. It has the wide flat runners. It will kill the top end on a Interceptors. I paid $315 from Ford. I only buy the PI intakes. Late Model Restoration has 2 intakes. 1 is $249. That is the proper design. The one with the thin tall runners is correct. The wide, thin one will kill top end. There are ones on Ebay and Amazon for $115 that works great as well. It has the thin tall runners. But the bad one is the same price as well.
5 yrs ago a friend put on a Dorman and he said it knocked the power in the head. '02 ? G.M. BTW, my other car, TownCar Sig with 93 octane real gas shifts sharper than with 87 ethanol. No big deal, not a race car.
Adtr has the new Ford PI intakes for $336 where in the actual hell are y’all getting 600 bc the dealership has them back ordered for like $500 and I didn’t buy Dorman bc well I just don’t trust Dorman.
Ok now lets understand what Dorman is all about... So the stock part costs you over $600 ? Dorman responds we will cut more than half the price on the same part but we wont do racing mode... We will just get you back to running at a low cost and we can even pitch in a few extra parts so you can basically do this job yourself without running for extra parts... Dorman is like that family friendly uncle that will sell you his car for cheap so you can go to college... Nothing more....
flow tests and comarisons yes please
I really enjoy these types of test! Great job Andy! It almost sounds like it "draws back" when it shifts from 1st to 2nd, but maybe just the sound on the video.
Tim you are right.. it is like the Converter is locking in 2nd gear, just needs MORE Powa!!!
Thanks for watching
Andy
Mine feels like the timing gets pulled to soften the shift, even at w.o.t.
I’ve driven many and I’ve found them all to do this when in first gear from 35-50 during hard acceleration
It’s not unusual for the factory tune to use timing along with other means to soften shifts in the attempt to protect the transmission. I’ve had to deal with it on my cars. One is a factory supercharged Pontiac V-6. Even with the so called heavy duty (HD) version of the 4T65E transmission , the reduction in power right before the shift is clearly noticeable.
Rather than spend thousands on a aftermarket glorified transmission, I bought an optimized PCM tune for my own PCM that eliminates power reductions and provides crisp, not harsh shifts in all gears. The ZZP tune improved drivability and increased horsepower. The cost was only $125 and the results are priceless.
Karl was the man in the 90's with getting the first Gen Lightnings to shift properly. His updated controllers are the way, especially if you run a stand-alone ECU. I don't know of anyone else that understands the modern Ford transmission controls as well as he does. Our customers 30 years ago were always happy!
Yes Sir! Lucky for me he is about 2hrs away from DV and I can see a road trip in our near future!
Thanks for watching!
Andy
For not much more money than a new PI, I ordered an edelbrock because I’ve had to replace plastic intakes about 4 times over the last 6 years over a couple of different cars.
I’d love to see more crown Vic content.
And how reliable is the Edelbrock intake, I saw the trickflow street intake and although it looks nice the price of it does not sound nice
@@chosenundead5009 well it’s aluminum so it will not crack like the plastic. With the fuel rail and lines it was about 1k total, and it took some ingenuity to get the egr to fit. I would recommend it overall.
I would not go with an edelbrock for a regular bolt on mustang. They lose a lot down low
@@thenegus5469 ok, then don’t. Personally when I’m looking for power I tend to put the gas pedal to the floor so down low doesn’t concern me much. I’m just glad I won’t have to pull off plastic crap to stop a coolant leak again.
Thanks guys for your insights
Although installing the Edelbrock needs some work and may change the power band but at least it won't crack
I searched for a typhoon intake but first they are out of production and also they are very expensive even when in bad shape so looks like Edelbrock is the better alternative
An added bonus to the flow results would be to do a dragy comparison between the throttle bodies and a before and after dragy comparison of the one u are going to port , that would be cool, we see lots of flow testing which is cool but it will be even cooler to see the flow results then how much faster those flow numbers equates to on the dragy , that's something that nobody has done before that I know of and that would be awesome to see 😁 I might be asking for too much though 😅😂
love the Wizard!!!!
Looking forward to the trick flow heads on this car. I own 2 crown vics and Im following this!!
I've had varied results on Dorman products. I know their LS2 intake flows better than stock. On the other hand, I purchased an exhaust manifold for a 2.4 Ecotec that was so bad, so restrictive in excess casting material, I returned it. I bought a Dorman rear axle shaft for an Astro van that the bearing wouldn't even fit. I'll buy Dorman parts if I don't have a choice but I'm pretty pessimistic on consistent quality from this once great supplier.
Hey Andy,
Tim here, AMAZING dif from a driver style intake to the stock PI......neat vid......gonna follow this, as i'm quite curious........hope David is ok, nothin from his side in a while......hope he/his family is ok......us gear heads give a shit!!....PEACE my brother!!
Great info and 20hp Win
Thanks Brother.. Stock intake for the win..
Andy
Very interested in the flow test
Always looking forward to that kind of stuff
Andy - RJS High Flow Converters…
They are shaped like DV’s - Zero back pressure exhaust can…
These converters are made in Germany.
Used on Ferrari and Porsche…
Supposedly these RJS High Flow converters flow 85% to 90% of a straight pipe.
The reason I say this is for the sleeper effect..
Keeping these Crown Vics and Town Cars quiet.
They say you know you’re getting old when you say “Turn the loud music down.”
lol :)
Does my stereo even work??😆😆
Hi flow converters don't add much hp to these cars.
Great stuff Andy, I can see I need to get cracking on the porting of the TFS heads then it really will take a performance leap forward.
DV
I can't wait David! People will be shocked at how fast we will make this car!
Andy
I would love to see those flow bench testing.
Thanks Andy. Great way to start my week. Flow testing is always good.
I Love you and David Vizards RUclips channels ,mostly the honesty and common sense, which in today's world is getting rare!!!
Thanks for the kind words Jim!
Andy
Yes - Stock PI intake is a much better intake than Dorman
Andy!
I want to change timing chains and tensioners.
Degree the cams - Lincoln Town Car 2006
What is the correct ICL
Installed Center Line????
I know you’re the 4.6 2V master mind…
You and DV
I am a fellow Tarheel by the way!!
Great video Andy. Thanks. Lets see those flow numbers!
Look at the runners. That is the difference. The Ebay and Amazon Intake for $106 will work. Longevity is the problem. The Ebay intakes last about 2 to 3 years. I've never got more then 3 years out of the Ebay one. I paid $315 for a Factory PI intake and 5 years later it's still going.
I put a oem replacement on my grand marquis in 2019. not one problem with the new intake manifold.
Oh yea!!!
Thanks Andy!
Thanks for the video.
And you are so right about the Dorman intakes and the stock transmission tune.
Will be interesting to see what you can do with the tuner for the transmission.
Yes
I would like to interject here. Ford just came out with an updated intake, part number PU7Z-9424-A. They fixed absolutely everything wrong with the older design, by adding a reinforced metal rear heater hose nipple, and several other improvements. However, for some reason, Ford decided to pattern the runners and plenum after the Dorman intake. So, now it's just down to a matter of longevity; you're going to lose power, no matter what you do.
Yea saw that and decided to just get an old mustang intake for $100. No issues at all feels a lot better than Dorman
Thumbs up on the elbow comparison!
I have a '98 F-150,4.6, auto. What's the highest RPM you get in any gear? Second seems to shift later (RPM) than first? And the shifts are pretty soggy.
Andy,
I am glad that you did this test as it a true comparsion. I have the exact same car with 278k miles on it. It does have a tune, Mercury Marauder mass air flow sensor and an 04 CVPI intake tube with the J-mod done to the transmission. IMO will loose low end torque with the Edelebrock as it has shorter intake runners. I want to see the gains that the TFS heads do with the stock cams and intake. My old Ford field engineer told me they worked hard to get as much tq and hp when they did the PI upgrade. These CV need bottom end torque to enhance the driving experience.
Totally cool, a real world, real feel test between these two intakes, and that's why you stay with the factory intake,
great test Andy, yeah the flow test on the upper throttle body of all three would be awesome test and video.
I love the Crown Vic videos!
I hope heads and cams are next.
Great vids.. looking forward to more crown vic modifications
Yes sir 🤓, I think the numbers would be very interesting to see how much difference between the three is
Yes i would like to see that comparison. I think thats interesting
Me too.. I with you I will plan on doing the test
Yes test for the best flow!
Good video Andy, I belong to a few different 4.6 groups on facebook and there is always someone saying oh I replaced my intake with a dorman and didn't see any difference. The only way I see that result is if they didn't have the pi heads to start. Also would be nice to see the flow results of the different plenums. Keep up the great videos Andy.
Yes do the test flow figures and dyno's don't lie .
That was a great video i really like the back ro back real world test. And 100% yes on the flow test
I feel like rear gears, and an aftermarket converter would give your car huge gains. Cool video / testing!
yes
Would love to see the tb test. Why not just get and sct plugin tuner and you can then change the shift algos and the firmness, and also tune the engine all in one. Great content!
Sounds way, way better than before and even runs better.
Looking at the cheap intake manifolds on Rockauto, I noticed that the other aftermarket intakes didn't have the flattened ports like the Dorman. I wonder if one of those would flow as good as the Ford oem PI intake?
Yes, its the one sold under SKP/ATP/Autotecnica brand. This is the other aftermarket design. It would be interesting to know how it compares to Dorman style. It's somewhat important because Ford OE PI intake is discontinued. There seems to be some crown vic style ones left in stock, but mustang specific ones are long gone...
So get them while you still can.
Yes. The three throttle body’s would be nice
Interesting.
The original all plastic intake on my ‘00 Mustang GT cracked a few years back and I installed a Dorman intake. Always wondered if that was a mistake. Your video just confirmed that it was.
thanks Andy,this is cool stuff and can also apply to the 2 valve mustang as well!!!.do you have any experience with the professional products typhoon intake?
The only experience I have with the Typhoon intake wasn't a good one.. bad casting and took alot of work to make it right.. but this was 15 years ago.. they do make for a nice intake once the casting flash is cleaned up. Once you get above the 320rwhp level it begins to show gains..
Hope this helps
Andy
The elbow would be good to know more about. Love to know what flow and performance improvements are really there...
O shit, we're gonna get back ta what we wanted to see? 🫵🏼👍🏻Ford 4.6 +
Oh Yeah!
Thanks for watching
Andy
Have you tested the new intake from Ford (M-9424-P46A) since the old PI intake is very hard to find. It seems to be a hybrid between dorman and the old Ford pi intake, thanks for great videos on the 4,6
Definitely want to see the upper plenum flow tests. The PI trans settings are way better than the civilian version. Lastly, you need to put the PI air box and zip tube on the cr.
I'm with you I believe the P71 has better shift calibration but I have the fix for that!
Andy
Absolutely wanna see that elbow test!
Yes flow test!
Yes to flow test
Factory intake please. And yes please continue testing. I need parts!
Pretty awesome stuff Andy! You ever messed with a Marauder? I used to know a guy that had several of them, one with a procharger on it. That sucker was pretty dang cool!
Oh yeah back in the day... We had one running high 11's same setup you are talking about P1SC procharger
Port video would be cool.
That's good information about the intakes but, I'm looking forward to the video on the _Quick 4_ , US Shift. I really wish US Shift made a standalone Quick 4 for Chrysler "RE's".
A flow test for the elbows would be great. I'm curious about bbk units with the larger throttle body.
I would love to see you guys make the video and see if a port job is worth it or not.
The best intake for the 2V 4.6 is the police interceptor. It has long runners and makes great power through out the power band.
Since in Mexico, ditch those cats and go 2.5” all the way out with an X pipe. 🛠️
Doing this next i just did s lsd but its hard to doughnut thank you bro
Would love to see flow tests. Also are you going to do a cam swap with springs?
Yes I have a set of TFS heads that David Vizard ported
There are gains in the plenum/elbow. Ben Alameda pioneered that back in the day. After he started porting them and did a magazine article the aftermarket started producing them. Ben Alameda Racing on youtube, the man is pure genius.
Please do the throttle body tests.
Love to see a 4.88 gear in there ...
What kind of loss are we looking at with the ford pi intake manifold vs an edelbrock victor jr with the adapter to run the stock elbow and throttle body? I have wondered if it'd be better to go with the victor jr vs dorman since we are losing with the Dorman anyhow. The edelbrock should open up top end considerably.
Hope Andy does same test with just an Edelbrock intake.
The Transgo re programming kit was first developed on my 92 GM 4L80e 250k miles and still runs and shifts great Switched to Citgo Quatrasyn for fluid check it out
Yes yes please protest the two different intake elbows
Yes it would be Interesting 🤔 , I'm looking to get another mustang, late seventys I had a 289 four brl three speed coup and a 390C6 mustang coup, Then in the 80s a 77mustang2 fastback? Hatchback? 302 Then a 79 coup 5.0, 80 5.0 83 5.0 Now I got a 91 coupe DeVille with a 4.9 I like it, it's pretty good, but I need to get another mustang while I can. 🇺🇲🏁 Good videos 👍⚡🏁
If there is a difference would be really nice to see.
I don’t doubt the increase in performance but there was a noticeable difference on road inclination between the first and last run.
for my 92 Grand Marquis I have a spare 50k mile 92 CV motor, I am planning on doing a swap to knock off 200 k miles what should I do to the CV motor before the swap. Both my motors are Before PI BTW a pick up truck 2 row radiator is a drop in as are PC blue silicone hoses. I run a big cooler and the PC oil cooler 0w-40 synthetic oil 85 -140 rear diff fluid. PC hd flex fan and later supplemental electric when the ac is on switched to 16 in wheels cheers big sway bars and pc shocks rides good
Once a racer always a racer.
Did you reset Kam after you did the intake swap to dial in you fuel trims faster
I wonder why Dorman feels the need change the design on these and other intakes? The TBSS intakes they make for LS engines lose power as well
Yes test all the intakes
Talk to Marty Oaks and get a Marty tune he is in Georgia specializing in Pathers
Will a set of short headers help on HP. or millage ?
Looking at a 99 Mustang GT that has the original all plastic intake on it. Never had the recall done. Only has 70k on it and it's really nice...deal breaker?
The Doorman you have to cut a rib in the back to clear the harness
What cam would you recommend with the Trick Flow heads 4.6 5sp Mustang. Stock bottom end or would you recommend a stroker kit.
1:44 , Balmy weather 🌡️ for Pennsylvania.
Any update on this project?
I made those type of intake manifolds a few years back prototype work, good improvement would a Cobra intake manifold work?
Does that taller intake elbow doesnt fit under a mustang hood ??
man it picked up almost 3 mph in the 1/8th! nice, those gears sound long, what is the rear gear?
Yeah that is crazy from just putting a stock intake back on.. it has 3.27 gears in it combine that with 4000lbs = fail
Hope all is well way
Andy
Will someone please make a new better lower intake manifold? All the FRPP ones are gone. They had plenty of room to improve. My Lincoln and Mustang both need one! Help! Dorman/ATI running like a gimpie dog.
Think it's worth doing a PI intake on a stock F150 4.6 2v?
Brother, the Dorman intake is junk when it comes to performance. It work fine on a Towncar or on one that is a put put. If you don't car about performance. I've installed countless intakes on the Police interceptors. It has the wide flat runners. It will kill the top end on a Interceptors. I paid $315 from Ford. I only buy the PI intakes. Late Model Restoration has 2 intakes. 1 is $249. That is the proper design. The one with the thin tall runners is correct. The wide, thin one will kill top end. There are ones on Ebay and Amazon for $115 that works great as well. It has the thin tall runners. But the bad one is the same price as well.
After you announced that Draggy time you would have think a tree fell on your car.😮
Yes. Test the elbows.
5 yrs ago a friend put on a Dorman and he said it knocked the power in the head.
'02 ? G.M.
BTW, my other car, TownCar Sig with 93 octane real gas shifts sharper than with 87 ethanol. No big deal, not a race car.
Flow test for sure thanks
The tenth gain was more legit because the first 2 runs were uphill the fastest run was downhill.
Sounds like like you have a nasty bog on gear change
I found out the computer pulls the timing back to -1.5 degs then slowly adds it back in.. needs a tune
Andy
I can believe that the stock is better.
Two tenths of a second is a veeery minimal difference, result probably would have been much more noticeable on a 1/4 mile pass.
Dorman alternator bracket is _TRASH_ too, as well as specific gaskets, oe, or oe style gaskets won't work w/ Dorman.
Adtr has the new Ford PI intakes for $336 where in the actual hell are y’all getting 600 bc the dealership has them back ordered for like $500 and I didn’t buy Dorman bc well I just don’t trust Dorman.
Ok now lets understand what Dorman is all about... So the stock part costs you over $600 ? Dorman responds we will cut more than half the price on the same part but we wont do racing mode... We will just get you back to running at a low cost and we can even pitch in a few extra parts so you can basically do this job yourself without running for extra parts... Dorman is like that family friendly uncle that will sell you his car for cheap so you can go to college... Nothing more....
Shame ford doesn't make the pi intake anymore.
Dorman parts are GARBAGE as is all AFTERMARKET parts