These interviews are great! Hopefully listeners are able to move beyond the words and tap into some wonderful conscious experiences. It's so interesting how each awakened teacher has a distinctly different way of presenting deeper truths. I like how Rick continues refining his inquiry approach with these teachers. These interviews have become a great resource on the cutting edge of conscious evolution. Great Program!!
Great interview! Hameed has that rare brilliant scientific/analytic mind that is also heart centered... Rick, I really enjoy, respect, and learn from hearing your experiences, perspectives and openness to life! Thank You! I deeply appreciate the last twenty minutes of the interview. Both of your voices became soft/gentle/loving...from the heart...beautiful...so sweet and inspiring to be a part of... Gratitude Ad Infinitum!!! Much Love...
Delightful to listen to this. Hameed presents the most inclusive and integrated view of living realization that I know, and transmits the adventure of discovering being unfolding in ever new ways - the sense of there being an endpoint or ideal state (as posited in many traditions) is seen as a human construct, whereas Being has infinite potential...
Thank you for reposting! I love Hameed's expression of the experience of being awake. He has an evolving and all encompassing view that I have experienced and resonate with. Many other teachings and ways have left me feeling a bit zombie like! Ha! Hameed and Rupert Spira are the two teachers that give a full and evolutionary view of what this life is about.
I agree with Dennis Fisher, a really excellent interview. I got loads out of it, and Hameed answered quite a lot of questions I had. I think I will watch several times over. One thing, can't leave any comments on Batgap site?
His depictions are eerily similar to what UG Krishnamurti said about his "natural state" in 1968. If you wish I can give you exact quotes, they're available, Rick. It's quite interesting.
I find this dialog very interesting. Hameed’s comment about different spiritual practices experiencing different ultimate realities does not jive with my way of understanding. In order to come to such a conclusion one need to have experienced all the different realities by oneself, Any practitioner commenting on their experience is neither here no there, as one cannot judge others level of achievement. General comments about experiences of ultimate realities fall under intellectual masturbation. Can one really experience few different ultimate realities let alone practicing one path? However, I totally agree with his comment that anyone who has attained ultimate experience does not look down on others experiences. Just following this fact alone is enough for peace in the world. In conclusion I like to say that each individual’s experience of reality is different and no two are the same, but ultimate reality is one. It is call ultimate reality because this is what everyone will experience when they get there. Which path will help us get there is another discussion. As long as the path is based on compassion, generosity, and equanimity we will be going in the right direction. Understanding any of the paths requires going beyond intellectual debates and practicing.
When I heard the way Rick said phenomena, it reminded me of the Muppets "Ma nam a non" I trying to clarify my awareness and i instantly transported back to childhood. Come back, thinking The benefit of words for beginning the path and the uselessness, for real experiential knowing. LIke the Buddha, roughly saying, these Practices and "Words"are needed to build the raft "begin" but once the river of ignorance is crossed, "Words" Practices, can be dismantled. It's like Trying to explain with words, the reality, behind 10 to the 42 power. It is, what it is. While the words are just a poor approximation. Example: Billions of copies of Earth and all the people on them, are Trillionaires/ for the reality of 1 square millimeter of a carbon for 1 second in time. They are not the same. They are a beginning step on the path, not the destination " Realization" or experiential knowing of all the movements in your whole body is completely different from the pointing "Words" You are that body. What words would work? None, accurately. Keep walking, working with words, until you have: the knowing Knowledge, behind them. It's Like the word Car. It can't take you anywhere, but, it is a way, to start to find one, until your really cruising down the road.
As a Muslim, familiar with Ibn Arabi, I can tell you that everything he says is 100% from Ibn Arabi, from 850 years ago, which is fine, but I wish he would acknowledge it. All of Ibn Arabi's, and by extension Almaas, ideas are Quranic, and I wish he would acknowledge it; Ibn Arabi does. The idea that Ultimate Reality has Aspects or Qualities that manifest in Creation, is the idea of Aspects or Names of God or Ultimate Realty if you prefer, as explained in the Quran, and elaborated by Ibn Arabi. The idea that there is no such thing as ultimate spiritual realization, but that it is a never ending journey, is Quranic, and elaborated by Ibn Arabi. "Creation happens every instance" anew is a Quranic idea, elaborated by Muslim philosophers, particularly the Ashari school, and also by Ibn Arabi. No doubt he has a particularly good grasp of this viewpoint, and is able to express it very well. The idea of "Being experiencing Itself in Creation" is the same as Ibn Arabi's idea of wahdat al wujud. The paradoxical nature of Truth is very well explained by Ibn Arabi. Radical non-locality is an idea, of Ibn Arabi; and on and on----
Riz A Could you please copy and paste your observations to the newest A H Almaas BatGap vid? Add more? I really appreciate this comment, I noticed some of these as well but I am not as knowledgable or articulate as you are. Thank you
Interesting... Thanks for sharing your thoughts, very valuable. As a Muslim I'm interested in how science, particularly physics, explains our experience of existence. I'll definitely check Arabi and other similar philosophers. Do you have any more suggestions for me / other viewers? Many thanks!
Riz A I think the point is that Hameed discovered everything he knows by accessing himself - it does not come "from Ibn arabi" Undoubtedly Ibn Arabi said it all (or most of it) in a way that is staggering, but how many people come to experience true nature through his writing? Even more so with the Qu'ran. There may be seven levels of understanding but most get problems with the first level. Hameed teaches in a way that does not rely on any viewpoint, is entirely experiential and is accessible by pretty much anyone. you will not find scholars devoting decades of their lives to trying to understand what he means in his writing as they seem to with Ibn Arabi.
brazfan Thank you. I have been meaning to listen to the second interview but still haven't gotten around to it. One of these days I will insha'Allah, and let you know what I think.
cosmogal Thank you too! The Quran says all of creation is a "sign" (ayah) of God, and everything in it, inward and outward "in the soul and on the horizons". Thus there are a lot of signs of God in scientific knowledge, which is just knowledge of the world from an analytic, rational standpoint. As such, this is an incomplete knowledge, because the other aspect of knowledge is experiential or self knowledge, i.e., knowledge of the soul in the sense of, "He who knows his self knows his Lord". Scientific knowledge, in it's true aspect, should serve as a way of appreciating the wonder of God's majesty and beauty, and increase our love for him. How scientific knowledge is used is an ethical issue; it can be used both for benefiting the world or harming it, depending on the spiritual status of the person who wields this type of knowledge. Scientific knowledge, ie knowledge of the external world, and subjective experiential knowledge are like the "seas that never meet". There is no known explanation of why the color red is red and not green, and vice versa.
I get the feeling that this gentleman has not really delved into Vedanta fully as some of his comments seem alien to an advaitin especially as he does not put forward the Vedanta position accurately when he opposes it. The non-dual Brahman becomes the world of duality (Ishwara) through Maya - a veil of ignorance. In this world one only experiences duality. He talks as if non-duality is experienced in the universe. This is not possible. (Go through Ramakrishna’s, Vivekananda’s or Ramana’s last stages). If one experiences non-duality he reaches Samadi and necessarily merges with Brahman relinquishing the body. The so called “Enlightenment” is only an incomplete glimpse, a partial experience or a first step towards reality. It may help to note 3 levels of reality are mentioned by Shankara: 1.Prāthibhāsika (apparent reality, dream state) 2.Vyāvahārika (pragmatical, wakeful state) where jiva (individual) and Ishwara are real. 3.Pāramārthika (absolutely real state - non dual) into which both other reality levels can be resolved. This experience can't be sublated (“truth” replaced by a higher “truth”) by any other experience. At about 45:00 he gets into this issue of Jivatman (individual) separate from Paramatman (Brahman). This happens at level 2 reality due to Maya (of Brahman) -like the air in one pot being separated from the air in other pots - the pots playing the role of Maya - that merges with the main air mass once the pot is broken at level 3. At about 48:00 he asks “why would being need an illusionary show.....in western thought would be illogical”. First of all creation as being an absolute reality as portrayed in the west is considered by Vedanta to be illogical, simply because no new things can ever be created from a constant unchanging Brahman that only exists always. Creation is the projection of Brahman where it appears as the cosmos through Its powere of Maya much like how a rope is mistaken for a snake due to ignorance. The question to ask is why this creation. Vedantha answers as Its Leela (playfulness). (BTW why are children playful?) Heard a lot of clichés, many false propositions and old ideas recycled as new too. Disappointed that he could not discuss the possible agreements/conflicts between QFT & Big Bang that are level 2 realities and consciousness the level 3 reality.
Look, Hameed is not stupid. He recognizes . . . that a lot of what he is saying recently is open to complete mis-application by almost everyone. That's why he'd refrained from saying it . . . until recently. But he's saying it now. Which means there's a reason he thinks it's preferable to say it now rather than to continue not saying it. My point (?) Hameed has an agenda. It may it may or may not be one that is useful to any individual one of us at any given time. We need to keep that in mind . . . so as not to be jerked around by it inadvertently.
Let t = length of interview, val = informative value or relevance. Then the quality ratio q = val/t of this interview is way too small. Too much light discursiveness. Keep q high. Notice I do *not* simply mind a high t. If you think you should keep interviews short, you have misunderstood.
Well; that's cleared it all up then! I probably agree with Nietzsche, who was, I believe, of the opinion that the only statement in the New Testament worth a toss was: "What is truth?" But...Pilate did not wait for an answer....Waiting for an answer is what I understand to be the essence of Meditation. Pointing out which, perhaps along with Yoga is what India really had/has to offer the West. For the rest of it: Good luck with all that! This geezer Ramana, perhaps as a consequence of the fact that he was 'Enlightened' for 50 years, would seem to have 'evolved' the ability to appear to people, or otherwise 'do significant things' 'from beyond the grave' But only things which are appropriate to, because they have genuine significance for, the person(s) concerned. You can't twist 'God's' arm!
These folks don't believe in God. They can do the whole Enlightenment thing themselves, no grace necessary. Look to India to see the value of such teachings. Nietzsche said Buddhism and Hinduism are old religions of an old people that have lost interest in living.
how come you speak about something you do know if it truley exist or not..... if its true you don't need to speak about it ... like the SUN ... its just there... and if it doesn't exist..... also you can not speak about something its does not exists ......
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+maj ahmed The sun is a physical object, like you said it's just there... You see it every day, it's not interesting, it's not new, we already know what we need/want to know about it. Spiritual things, untengable things, are more interesting, less obvious and there's a lot to learn about it still. And many people don't know about the spiritual, but everyone knows about the sun. If someone never had seen the sun, he would be as intrigued as these guys are by spirituality
I lost interest after the fourth harp on the non-dual practice. Rick, consider starting a spiritual tea party movement. These damn spiritual "liberals" are always trying to grab .the "wealth" you worked so hard for and spread it around like diamonds to swine.
Great interview! Hameed has that rare brilliant scientific/analytic mind that is also heart centered... Rick, I really enjoy, respect, and learn from hearing your experiences, perspectives and openness to life! Thank You! I deeply appreciate the last twenty minutes of the interview. Both of your voices became soft/gentle/loving...from the heart...beautiful...so sweet and inspiring to be a part of... Gratitude Ad Infinitum!!! Much Love...
Out of all of Buudha Gas Pump interviews this one stands out. His presence and no-nonsense personality is impressive. A real giant in this field.
I just discovered this man yesterday. It feels so good to find someone expressing my personal understanding…so far. Love this so much. Thank you!
one of the best non duality interviews. Hameed totally hits the nail on the head, God bless you sir!
These interviews are great! Hopefully listeners are able to move beyond the words and tap into some wonderful conscious experiences. It's so interesting how each awakened teacher has a distinctly different way of presenting deeper truths. I like how Rick continues refining his inquiry approach with these teachers. These interviews have become a great resource on the cutting edge of conscious evolution. Great Program!!
Great interview! Hameed has that rare brilliant scientific/analytic mind that is also heart centered...
Rick, I really enjoy, respect, and learn from hearing your experiences, perspectives and openness to life! Thank You!
I deeply appreciate the last twenty minutes of the interview. Both of your voices became soft/gentle/loving...from the heart...beautiful...so sweet and inspiring to be a part of...
Gratitude Ad Infinitum!!!
Much Love...
Delightful to listen to this. Hameed presents the most inclusive and integrated view of living realization that I know, and transmits the adventure of discovering being unfolding in ever new ways - the sense of there being an endpoint or ideal state (as posited in many traditions) is seen as a human construct, whereas Being has infinite potential...
Rick
Your interview was just great. A polished professional beautiful masterpiece. I think the best one you have done. I enjoy all the visuals also
Delightful conversation. Thanks.
Fantastic interview, thank you.
An altogether marvelous interview.
Thank you for reposting! I love Hameed's expression of the experience of being awake. He has an evolving and all encompassing view that I have experienced and resonate with. Many other teachings and ways have left me feeling a bit zombie like! Ha! Hameed and Rupert Spira are the two teachers that give a full and evolutionary view of what this life is about.
Reverend Eslam I am familiar with Alan Watts...love his stuff too. I'll check out Avatar Adi Da Samraj also. Thank you!
I agree with Dennis Fisher, a really excellent interview. I got loads out of it, and Hameed answered quite a lot of questions I had. I think I will watch several times over. One thing, can't leave any comments on Batgap site?
You can leave comments, but you may have to register. Go to batgap.com/forums/topic/hameed-ali-a-h-almaas/
Rick Archer ok, indeed I haven't registered ;-) but couldn't see anyone else's comments, so thought there was a problem.
What this man is is creative. That's his value. And its huge.
Is anyone going to the Maui retreat - Tantra of Everyday Life with Almaas & Johnson? Sounds intriguing, but a long journey...
I like this Hameed guy
His depictions are eerily similar to what UG Krishnamurti said about his "natural state" in 1968. If you wish I can give you exact quotes, they're available, Rick. It's quite interesting.
I find this dialog very interesting. Hameed’s comment about different spiritual practices experiencing different ultimate realities does not jive with my way of understanding. In order to come to such a conclusion one need to have experienced all the different realities by oneself, Any practitioner commenting on their experience is neither here no there, as one cannot judge others level of achievement. General comments about experiences of ultimate realities fall under intellectual masturbation. Can one really experience few different ultimate realities let alone practicing one path?
However, I totally agree with his comment that anyone who has attained ultimate experience does not look down on others experiences. Just following this fact alone is enough for peace in the world.
In conclusion I like to say that each individual’s experience of reality is different and no two are the same, but ultimate reality is one. It is call ultimate reality because this is what everyone will experience when they get there. Which path will help us get there is another discussion. As long as the path is based on compassion, generosity, and equanimity we will be going in the right direction. Understanding any of the paths requires going beyond intellectual debates and practicing.
Sunil Nethisinghe Read Hameed's latest Book "Runaway Realization" in order to see how all theses ultimate realities can indeed coexist--peace.
Great A.h Almaas
A high quality mature contemplative - a relief not to be subjected to the constrained and predictable views of less mature teachers -
When I heard the way Rick said phenomena, it reminded me of the Muppets "Ma nam a non" I trying to clarify my awareness and i instantly transported back to childhood. Come back, thinking The benefit of words for beginning the path and the uselessness, for real experiential knowing.
LIke the Buddha, roughly saying, these Practices and "Words"are needed to build the raft "begin" but once the river of ignorance is crossed, "Words" Practices, can be dismantled.
It's like Trying to explain with words, the reality, behind 10 to the 42 power. It is, what it is. While the words are just a poor approximation. Example: Billions of copies of Earth and all the people on them, are Trillionaires/ for the reality of 1 square millimeter of a carbon for 1 second in time. They are not the same. They are a beginning step on the path, not the destination " Realization" or experiential knowing of all the movements in your whole body is completely different from the pointing "Words" You are that body. What words would work? None, accurately.
Keep walking, working with words, until you have: the knowing Knowledge, behind them. It's Like the word Car. It can't take you anywhere, but, it is a way, to start to find one, until your really cruising down the road.
Every thing is every where at every time.
As a Muslim, familiar with Ibn Arabi, I can tell you that everything he says is 100% from Ibn Arabi, from 850 years ago, which is fine, but I wish he would acknowledge it. All of Ibn Arabi's, and by extension Almaas, ideas are Quranic, and I wish he would acknowledge it; Ibn Arabi does. The idea that Ultimate Reality has Aspects or Qualities that manifest in Creation, is the idea of Aspects or Names of God or Ultimate Realty if you prefer, as explained in the Quran, and elaborated by Ibn Arabi. The idea that there is no such thing as ultimate spiritual realization, but that it is a never ending journey, is Quranic, and elaborated by Ibn Arabi. "Creation happens every instance" anew is a Quranic idea, elaborated by Muslim philosophers, particularly the Ashari school, and also by Ibn Arabi. No doubt he has a particularly good grasp of this viewpoint, and is able to express it very well. The idea of "Being experiencing Itself in Creation" is the same as Ibn Arabi's idea of wahdat al wujud. The paradoxical nature of Truth is very well explained by Ibn Arabi. Radical non-locality is an idea, of Ibn Arabi; and on and on----
Riz A Could you please copy and paste your observations to the newest A H Almaas BatGap vid? Add more? I really appreciate this comment, I noticed some of these as well but I am not as knowledgable or articulate as you are. Thank you
Interesting... Thanks for sharing your thoughts, very valuable. As a Muslim I'm interested in how science, particularly physics, explains our experience of existence. I'll definitely check Arabi and other similar philosophers. Do you have any more suggestions for me / other viewers? Many thanks!
Riz A I think the point is that Hameed discovered everything he knows by accessing himself - it does not come "from Ibn arabi" Undoubtedly Ibn Arabi said it all (or most of it) in a way that is staggering, but how many people come to experience true nature through his writing? Even more so with the Qu'ran. There may be seven levels of understanding but most get problems with the first level.
Hameed teaches in a way that does not rely on any viewpoint, is entirely experiential and is accessible by pretty much anyone. you will not find scholars devoting decades of their lives to trying to understand what he means in his writing as they seem to with Ibn Arabi.
brazfan Thank you. I have been meaning to listen to the second interview but still haven't gotten around to it. One of these days I will insha'Allah, and let you know what I think.
cosmogal Thank you too! The Quran says all of creation is a "sign" (ayah) of God, and everything in it, inward and outward "in the soul and on the horizons". Thus there are a lot of signs of God in scientific knowledge, which is just knowledge of the world from an analytic, rational standpoint. As such, this is an incomplete knowledge, because the other aspect of knowledge is experiential or self knowledge, i.e., knowledge of the soul in the sense of, "He who knows his self knows his Lord". Scientific knowledge, in it's true aspect, should serve as a way of appreciating the wonder of God's majesty and beauty, and increase our love for him. How scientific knowledge is used is an ethical issue; it can be used both for benefiting the world or harming it, depending on the spiritual status of the person who wields this type of knowledge. Scientific knowledge, ie knowledge of the external world, and subjective experiential knowledge are like the "seas that never meet". There is no known explanation of why the color red is red and not green, and vice versa.
i found God then i seen through him and witnessed something greater.
Nothing is happening but I am travelling and to me what is happening is my experience of my travel.
I get the feeling that this gentleman has not really delved into Vedanta fully as some of his comments seem alien to an advaitin especially as he does not put forward the Vedanta position accurately when he opposes it. The non-dual Brahman becomes the world of duality (Ishwara) through Maya - a veil of ignorance. In this world one only experiences duality. He talks as if non-duality is experienced in the universe. This is not possible. (Go through Ramakrishna’s, Vivekananda’s or Ramana’s last stages). If one experiences non-duality he reaches Samadi and necessarily merges with Brahman relinquishing the body. The so called “Enlightenment” is only an incomplete glimpse, a partial experience or a first step towards reality.
It may help to note 3 levels of reality are mentioned by Shankara:
1.Prāthibhāsika (apparent reality, dream state)
2.Vyāvahārika (pragmatical, wakeful state) where jiva (individual) and Ishwara are real.
3.Pāramārthika (absolutely real state - non dual) into which both other reality levels can be resolved. This experience can't be sublated (“truth” replaced by a higher “truth”) by any other experience.
At about 45:00 he gets into this issue of Jivatman (individual) separate from Paramatman (Brahman). This happens at level 2 reality due to Maya (of Brahman) -like the air in one pot being separated from the air in other pots - the pots playing the role of Maya - that merges with the main air mass once the pot is broken at level 3.
At about 48:00 he asks “why would being need an illusionary show.....in western thought would be illogical”. First of all creation as being an absolute reality as portrayed in the west is considered by Vedanta to be illogical, simply because no new things can ever be created from a constant unchanging Brahman that only exists always. Creation is the projection of Brahman where it appears as the cosmos through Its powere of Maya much like how a rope is mistaken for a snake due to ignorance. The question to ask is why this creation. Vedantha answers as Its Leela (playfulness). (BTW why are children playful?)
Heard a lot of clichés, many false propositions and old ideas recycled as new too. Disappointed that he could not discuss the possible agreements/conflicts between QFT & Big Bang that are level 2 realities and consciousness the level 3 reality.
Look, Hameed is not stupid.
He recognizes . . . that a lot of what he is saying recently is open to complete mis-application by almost everyone. That's why he'd refrained from saying it . . . until recently.
But he's saying it now. Which means there's a reason he thinks it's preferable to say it now rather than to continue not saying it.
My point (?)
Hameed has an agenda. It may it may or may not be one that is useful to any individual one of us at any given time. We need to keep that in mind . . . so as not to be jerked around by it inadvertently.
Let t = length of interview, val = informative value or relevance. Then the quality ratio q = val/t of this interview is way too small. Too much light discursiveness.
Keep q high. Notice I do *not* simply mind a high t. If you think you should keep interviews short, you have misunderstood.
time - not your time
what i call different faces.... wow. words
Well; that's cleared it all up then!
I probably agree with Nietzsche, who was, I believe, of the opinion that the only statement in the New Testament worth a toss was: "What is truth?"
But...Pilate did not wait for an answer....Waiting for an answer is what I understand to be the essence of Meditation.
Pointing out which, perhaps along with Yoga is what India really had/has to offer the West.
For the rest of it: Good luck with all that!
This geezer Ramana, perhaps as a consequence of the fact that he was 'Enlightened' for 50 years, would seem to have 'evolved' the ability to appear to people, or otherwise 'do significant things' 'from beyond the grave'
But only things which are appropriate to, because they have genuine significance for, the person(s) concerned.
You can't twist 'God's' arm!
These folks don't believe in God. They can do the whole Enlightenment thing themselves, no grace necessary. Look to India to see the value of such teachings. Nietzsche said Buddhism and Hinduism are old religions of an old people that have lost interest in living.
"Things they do look awful cold. Hope I die before I get old."
how come you speak about something you do know if it truley exist or not.....
if its true you don't need to speak about it ...
like the SUN ... its just there...
and
if it doesn't exist.....
also you can not speak about something its does not exists ......
+maj ahmed The sun is a physical object, like you said it's just there... You see it every day, it's not interesting, it's not new, we already know what we need/want to know about it.
Spiritual things, untengable things, are more interesting, less obvious and there's a lot to learn about it still. And many people don't know about the spiritual, but everyone knows about the sun.
If someone never had seen the sun, he would be as intrigued as these guys are by spirituality
I lost interest after the fourth harp on the non-dual practice. Rick, consider starting a spiritual tea party movement. These damn spiritual "liberals" are always trying to grab .the "wealth" you worked so hard for and spread it around like diamonds to swine.
Great interview! Hameed has that rare brilliant scientific/analytic mind that is also heart centered...
Rick, I really enjoy, respect, and learn from hearing your experiences, perspectives and openness to life! Thank You!
I deeply appreciate the last twenty minutes of the interview. Both of your voices became soft/gentle/loving...from the heart...beautiful...so sweet and inspiring to be a part of...
Gratitude Ad Infinitum!!!
Much Love...