When they drop it downwards, it's because it wasn't a catcg. When the ball flies out towards left, then it's in the transfer. However, he looked like he dropped it purposely to try to start a double play. Then it is a catch, dead ball, and all runners stay put.
@@dough9512”control” is highly subjective because there is no set time limit that gauges control of the ball. The ball fell out when he brought his hands together for the transfer which is why the call went that way on a bang bang play. If his right hand was nowhere close then it would probably have gone the other way.
@@Squidd717 sorry if my wording is too clever for you. The op suggested with the word 'unfortunately' that the umpires are somehow calling this incorrectly. I asked rhetorically if that's really the case or if in fact they're properly applying the rule and official interpretation to call this correctly. Better?
He dropped it on the transfer but he definitely didn't hold the bowl long enough for it to be considered a catch. This looks like an example of being too fast...
Did he transfer it to his hand? That would indicate control. OR, did he "transfer" it to the ground? If so, that would definitely show he did NOT have control of the ball. He did NOT catch the ball!!
@davej3781 Wrong. He NEVER transfered the ball to his hand!! Unless you are referring to the invisible ball he tried to throw. If so, I guess the runner going to second was put out.
@@dough9512 that's a very old school interpretation that was changed years ago. Now moving the hand to the glove and opening the glove is the transfer/voluntary release; there's no need to get the ball into the throwing hand nor even touch it.
@@BGBG-dq2rd do you? It’s seems fairly obvious that he just dropped the transfer. Not a case where the ball hits the side of the glove. You see the ball enter the glove, he then goes to grab the ball and throw it to First. That’s when the ball drops, straight down at his feet. More proof he caught it. If not a catch it would have bounced off his glove not dropped straight down at his feet. You have to look at everything. Little details are what tend to make the picture much clearer.
This a catch because it demonstrates control and a voluntary release. Notice that the ball falls away in the direction on the throwing hand. The transfer is considered a separate play. For context, think of a double play attempt by the second baseman is catch, pivoting and transferring the ball to the throwing hand and droops the ball, the umpire rules on context if the ball falls and rolls behind the defender it is lost on the transfer, but if the ball bounces forward or straight down, control and voluntary release are void hence no catch. It takes knowledge, skills and balls to be an umpire. Never stop being a student of the game!!
Exactly. These guys are super quick on transfers. The ball doesn't need to stay in the glove for a specified time for it to be a catch. Catch to me If we somehow used football as a reference, did he make a baseball move? Did he have control of the ball? Transfers can be iffy but I guess the argument here would be if he actually caught and controlled the ball he wouldn't have missed it with his hand
First, you have to make the catch. Then, transfer to the throwing hand. The catch was never made. Just because he is attempting to transfer the ball while he is making the catch doesn't mean he already made the catch. It's pretty simple.
That’s 100% a catch, he dropped the transfer from glove to hand. But he def caught the ball. If he didn’t have to do a quick throw a bag for the tag up the ball remains in the glove.
totally a catch with drop on transfer - he catches ball with glove opening away from him, flips glove down to transfer to throwing hand and ball falls down. Without the attempt of transfer, this ball doesn't fall out.
Only way that couldve been out is if he dropped in on the transfer, but if you look closely, you see the ball fell out before he puts his hand in his glove, so if out was given, imo, is the wrong decision
Looks like he took his eye off the ball before he secured it. Football analogy would be he tried to run before he had secured the ball. See it almost every NFL game especially with running backs the look down field before the have possession of the ball and drop it . I wouldn't give the guy a catch on this. Reason you don't have a time frame to possess the ball but you do need to possess it
It looks to me like he actually did miss the ball and he wanted to make it look like a transfer because his throwing arm is so high up in the air. When you make that transfer you know pretty much right off the bat whether or not you've missed or caught the ball because you actually make the transfer out of the glove so he made it look like he was doing a transfer and having his hand up that high BS he missed the ball
Yes, that's a catch and drop on transfer...on slow-mo instant replay any competent umpire can tell you that. BUT at full speed with one look in real time, that's tough to call a catch.
If that's a catch and drop on transfer then what isn't a catch? The glove obscures the ball so you can't see if he ever had control..the ball goes out that quickly its not a catch
@johnszczerba9979 what makes it a catch and drop on transfer is that the ball goes into the glove, the fielder turns the glove over and brings his throwing hand to the glove to retrieve the ball. By modern interpretation, this action is considered a transfer. The old-school idea that the fielder had to stick his hand into the glove and touch the ball for a transfer was discarded years ago, because that's not how even moderately skilled ballplayers transfer a ball. The act of bringing the throwing hand near the glove and opening the glove is voluntary release as required by the definition of a catch.
If you never catch the batted ball in flight and you drop the ball it usually goes straight down. If you drop the ball after a catch and while transferring the ball to your throwing hand the balk usually squirts to the side. I have no catch
I'd like to say he purposely dropped it to make a double play. Instead of a single out . I'm not sure because I only see such a small portion of the clip.
Throwing hand never grasped the ball. No involuntary release of ball. Zero detent time in glove. Never really demonstrated or established control of ball.
It really looks like he intentionally drops the ball. Pay special attention to how he turns his glove hand over to release the ball. Opened the glove to drop the ball.
No clear sign of a catch therefore its a drop Just like in football, you need to establish possession before it can be considered a fumble otherwise its incomplete
@ no shit? I said just like football..meaning its a similar rule in both sports..clearly in this video he didnt catch the ball..he tried to be too quick and dropped the ball..similar to a receiver breaking up field too quick and dropped the ball..understand? Or should i use basketball next?
@@mickymackjack4563geezus, what’s a catch in baseball and football are not at all similar. Lol In baseball there’s no 2 feet, there’s no “baseball move”, there’s no time lapse to show possession. In baseball, a catch is complete when a fielder “intentionally and voluntarily releases the ball”. The fielder catches it and in a millisecond, “intentionally and voluntarily releases the ball” to get ready to throw and drops it “on the transfer”. Catch all day
@@blueahoula3239not a catch man..ive been watching baseball too long to be persuaded otherwise..looking too deep into this man..for fucks sake i use another sport as a comparison and all you rulebook blow hards come out of the wood works
@@blueahoula3239ball looks like it bounces off his glove because he was moving too fast “explained in my comparison” he got ahead of himself and didnt catch it..probably bounces off his hand or base of the glove..his glove was turnt so he was probably trying to use the glove to house the ball to make the transfer but didnt get to that point due to the ricochet and drop..rule states “which you failed to mention” fielder has to gain secure possession before releasing
Don't understand? Check the Umpire's betting.
Exactly
Bruh 😂😂😂
More like payed actors because it’s all fake
You got it.
Slanderous comment. You are childish.
Even in slow mo it falls out pretty quick 😂
It’s lost on transfer
@someone2228 wow
My thoughts exactly; came out too fast even in slo-mo
@@revanche1431it was still dropped during the transfer. Doesn’t matter how fast it happens.
I love how he was convinced he had the ball in his hand and was going to throw it.
The rule to complete the catch is to also complete the transfer. Thats no catch.
Called muscle memory
He was selling it…he knew he dropped the mf
When they drop it downwards, it's because it wasn't a catcg. When the ball flies out towards left, then it's in the transfer. However, he looked like he dropped it purposely to try to start a double play. Then it is a catch, dead ball, and all runners stay put.
The ball went straight down on the “transfer” that is not a catch at all 😂😂😂
Umpires call it this way when the ball and the glove are closed at the same time regardless of how long the ball is maintained unfortunately.
@@markmihalin5869 they call it this way unfortunately? Or they call it this way by rule and official interpretation?
I thought they HAD to have control of the ball! He OBVIOUSLY didn't!!
@@dough9512”control” is highly subjective because there is no set time limit that gauges control of the ball. The ball fell out when he brought his hands together for the transfer which is why the call went that way on a bang bang play. If his right hand was nowhere close then it would probably have gone the other way.
@@davej3781Learn english…
@@Squidd717 sorry if my wording is too clever for you.
The op suggested with the word 'unfortunately' that the umpires are somehow calling this incorrectly. I asked rhetorically if that's really the case or if in fact they're properly applying the rule and official interpretation to call this correctly.
Better?
He dropped it on the transfer but he definitely didn't hold the bowl long enough for it to be considered a catch. This looks like an example of being too fast...
@@BestDayEver503 there is no required amount of time to hold the ball. The drop on transfer proves the catch regardless of how long the ball was held.
You just made that up. you also did not specify how much time is needed to be considered a catch because, again, you made that up
Did he transfer it to his hand? That would indicate control. OR, did he "transfer" it to the ground? If so, that would definitely show he did NOT have control of the ball. He did NOT catch the ball!!
@davej3781
Wrong. He NEVER transfered the ball to his hand!! Unless you are referring to the invisible ball he tried to throw. If so, I guess the runner going to second was put out.
@@dough9512 that's a very old school interpretation that was changed years ago. Now moving the hand to the glove and opening the glove is the transfer/voluntary release; there's no need to get the ball into the throwing hand nor even touch it.
Asking us if a drop is a catch is hilarious
HE DROPPED THE TRANSFER, after catching the ball he went to make a throw and that’s where he drops the ball. After the catch.
@@derekjuarez9762I think your neurons dropped the transfer of an intelligent thought
@@derekjuarez9762Smoke much??
@@BGBG-dq2rd do you?
It’s seems fairly obvious that he just dropped the transfer. Not a case where the ball hits the side of the glove. You see the ball enter the glove, he then goes to grab the ball and throw it to
First. That’s when the ball drops, straight down at his feet. More proof he caught it. If not a catch it would have bounced off his glove not dropped straight down at his feet.
You have to look at everything. Little details are what tend to make the picture much clearer.
@@derekjuarez9762So he dropped it, no catch. If the transfer is instantaneous, like this, then it’s part of the catch process.
Judgement call, reasonable people understand how this could go either way.
You are correct and a scholar, sir. Well said.
If he’s not going to first for the double up...he’s not pointing the open side of his glove to the ground...and the ball is not falling out...
Dude literally dropped the ball
This a catch because it demonstrates control and a voluntary release. Notice that the ball falls away in the direction on the throwing hand. The transfer is considered a separate play. For context, think of a double play attempt by the second baseman is catch, pivoting and transferring the ball to the throwing hand and droops the ball, the umpire rules on context if the ball falls and rolls behind the defender it is lost on the transfer, but if the ball bounces forward or straight down, control and voluntary release are void hence no catch.
It takes knowledge, skills and balls to be an umpire. Never stop being a student of the game!!
Very well said, brother.
Like a deliciously tender piece of steak. Just cuz you barely bit it doesn’t mean you didn’t have a bite. It was a catch! Drop was on the transfer.
You see this often from the SS & 2B when they don't close the glove to get a throw off quicker.
Exactly. These guys are super quick on transfers. The ball doesn't need to stay in the glove for a specified time for it to be a catch. Catch to me
If we somehow used football as a reference, did he make a baseball move? Did he have control of the ball?
Transfers can be iffy but I guess the argument here would be if he actually caught and controlled the ball he wouldn't have missed it with his hand
It’s not a catch it’s an missed opportunity to catch the ball
I think it’s on the transfer personally
Yep, he caught it, rotated his glove down to drop the ball into his hand, and just missed the ball.
He sure sold it though😂
Bout to ride out the majors on his Caballero with that catch 😅
Naaaahhhh just the greatest butter glove moment in mlb history lmao
First, you have to make the catch. Then, transfer to the throwing hand. The catch was never made. Just because he is attempting to transfer the ball while he is making the catch doesn't mean he already made the catch. It's pretty simple.
Angel must have been the second base umpire
It was a catch just as much as it was a throw 😂😂😂😂😂
He dropped that shit. There's no way thats a catch. 😂😂😂
That’s 100% a catch, he dropped the transfer from glove to hand. But he def caught the ball. If he didn’t have to do a quick throw a bag for the tag up the ball remains in the glove.
Rule on this SHOULD BE if it never makes it into throwing hand, its not a catch
Look at how that ball bounced. It was coming in and left his glove hot. No catch
Came in going East and left going due South. Catch ✅️check the rules chief
Chuck knoblock would say it’s a catch for sure
totally a catch with drop on transfer - he catches ball with glove opening away from him, flips glove down to transfer to throwing hand and ball falls down. Without the attempt of transfer, this ball doesn't fall out.
Never had control of the ball
It was on the transfer
Only way that couldve been out is if he dropped in on the transfer, but if you look closely, you see the ball fell out before he puts his hand in his glove, so if out was given, imo, is the wrong decision
Looks like he took his eye off the ball before he secured it. Football analogy would be he tried to run before he had secured the ball. See it almost every NFL game especially with running backs the look down field before the have possession of the ball and drop it . I wouldn't give the guy a catch on this. Reason you don't have a time frame to possess the ball but you do need to possess it
Established possession with voluntary release, mishandled it on the transfer attempting to make the subsequent play. That’s a catch all day.
Dropped the ball, never had control
It looks to me like he actually did miss the ball and he wanted to make it look like a transfer because his throwing arm is so high up in the air. When you make that transfer you know pretty much right off the bat whether or not you've missed or caught the ball because you actually make the transfer out of the glove so he made it look like he was doing a transfer and having his hand up that high BS he missed the ball
You don't understand. The problem is thinking that during a catch that the ball doesn't fall out of a person's hands on to the ground. Easy mistake 😂
Simple .. was an extra quick transfer .
It's better for him to be a drop. It's far worse if you drop the ball in a transfer
No catch. No control of the ball, no catch. Really, I have no idea.
How to start an internet argument: Display a video on the rules of baseball.
It’s a catch he dropped it on the transfer to throw it.
Yes, that's a catch and drop on transfer...on slow-mo instant replay any competent umpire can tell you that. BUT at full speed with one look in real time, that's tough to call a catch.
If that's a catch and drop on transfer then what isn't a catch? The glove obscures the ball so you can't see if he ever had control..the ball goes out that quickly its not a catch
@johnszczerba9979 what makes it a catch and drop on transfer is that the ball goes into the glove, the fielder turns the glove over and brings his throwing hand to the glove to retrieve the ball. By modern interpretation, this action is considered a transfer. The old-school idea that the fielder had to stick his hand into the glove and touch the ball for a transfer was discarded years ago, because that's not how even moderately skilled ballplayers transfer a ball. The act of bringing the throwing hand near the glove and opening the glove is voluntary release as required by the definition of a catch.
If you never catch the batted ball in flight and you drop the ball it usually goes straight down. If you drop the ball after a catch and while transferring the ball to your throwing hand the balk usually squirts to the side. I have no catch
On the transfer. Correct call.
He never even caught it
No. Normal speed would show the ball basically bouncing off his glove
I’m gonna say No Catch
The “release” to his throwing hand didn’t happen until the ball was on the ground.
(Like to see it at regular speed)
when a catch and throw is in same motion, if ball gets dropped shouldn't be a catch in my opinion.
What’s crazy is people saying it’s a catch.. it literally touches the ground. Gahh damn yall killing me 🤦🏻♂️
Dez caught it, and Caminero dropped it.
NOT A CATCH‼️
THATS A DROP‼️
How you drop it with 2 hands on the glove 😂
Wow ! That's a dropped ball...PERIOD !!!
He knows he flubbed the catch that's why he exaggerates the throwing motion in hopes of getting a dropped on transfer call.
He missed the transfer. Out. Anybody who's ever played baseball knows.
Maybe if they’re as bad at baseball as you are.
@@connorgillispie7128no he’s got a point if he’s bringing the ball back or transfer and drops it it’s still an out
@connorgillispie7128 Well considering I haven't played in 50 years.
@@paulheaphy4228I play on high school varsity so I would know if it was
U can notice that it looks as if it just slides right through the glove and hand, I wouldn't call out.
Yes it fell out on the transfer!!!
insofar as it popped right out of his glove, no
A drop in transfer is a drop. No out
He pretending to throw it to make it seem like he caught it and dropped it out his hand and not the glove
Umpires exist on a different plane devoid of reality.
Sports have been around fpr thousands of years yet we still dont know what a catch is
I'd like to say he purposely dropped it to make a double play. Instead of a single out . I'm not sure because I only see such a small portion of the clip.
What??? It literally hits the ground...
No catch. Umpires never in a bigger hurry than when making a bad call
That’s one motion, he didn’t catch it.
NOT A CATCH, but if it was ruled a catch then the next time this happens they have to rule it a catch!
Never had control.
That no catch 😂😂😂😂😂
By rule, not a catch
Maybe you don't understand because it IS NOT a catch lol
Watches a slo mo replay, that itself isn't 100% conclusive.
He couldn’t make a play without dropping the ball.
Not a catch but they’re probably calling it on the transfer.
Thats a catch!! He clearly dropped ot on the transfer
not sure why umpires are still needed these days.
Throwing hand never grasped the ball. No involuntary release of ball. Zero detent time in glove. Never really demonstrated or established control of ball.
When the game starts lagging
Its not on the transition. Its in the glove and straight down. Fire the ump.
Can't wait for 2025 MLB season.
No. He did not have possession long enough.
Faulty Rawlings glove.
Any good ump would call it a drop
Was a drop bigger than shit
Does he make a baseball move ? Lol
That’s a catch just an error
ur buggin😂😂 thats not a catch
He did not make a football move. That is not a fumble
Dropped ball.. no catch.. he did not have control of the ball.
The way I see it it's not a catch how much was the ump paid to call it
No he did not catch it..he forgot that part .
It really looks like he intentionally drops the ball. Pay special attention to how he turns his glove hand over to release the ball. Opened the glove to drop the ball.
Catch and error on the throw.
It’s on the transfer
Cowboys are calling it a catch.
He didn’t make a football move…
He lost it in transition.. if he wasn't in the throwing motion immediately he wouldn't have dropped it
It was in the transfer
Little ump rules this no catch. Don’t drop the ball
If you have to slow it down that much for it even to be a question, it's not a catch, at least in my judgment.
That is a dropped ball, not a catch.
Not a chance. So in football you need to take 3 steps to confirm possession but in baseball 1/10 of a second is enough?
😂😂🤔🤔
No clear sign of a catch therefore its a drop
Just like in football, you need to establish possession before it can be considered a fumble otherwise its incomplete
But this is baseball…. Not football
@ no shit? I said just like football..meaning its a similar rule in both sports..clearly in this video he didnt catch the ball..he tried to be too quick and dropped the ball..similar to a receiver breaking up field too quick and dropped the ball..understand? Or should i use basketball next?
@@mickymackjack4563geezus, what’s a catch in baseball and football are not at all similar. Lol
In baseball there’s no 2 feet, there’s no “baseball move”, there’s no time lapse to show possession. In baseball, a catch is complete when a fielder “intentionally and voluntarily releases the ball”. The fielder catches it and in a millisecond, “intentionally and voluntarily releases the ball” to get ready to throw and drops it “on the transfer”. Catch all day
@@blueahoula3239not a catch man..ive been watching baseball too long to be persuaded otherwise..looking too deep into this man..for fucks sake i use another sport as a comparison and all you rulebook blow hards come out of the wood works
@@blueahoula3239ball looks like it bounces off his glove because he was moving too fast “explained in my comparison” he got ahead of himself and didnt catch it..probably bounces off his hand or base of the glove..his glove was turnt so he was probably trying to use the glove to house the ball to make the transfer but didnt get to that point due to the ricochet and drop..rule states “which you failed to mention” fielder has to gain secure possession before releasing
On the tranfer