Last Second in Dallas: A Granular Account of the Final Second of the Assassination
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- Опубликовано: 11 июн 2024
- In this special 90-minute program, first-generation Kennedy assassination researcher Josiah Thompson discusses his decades-long involvement with the case and the making of his critically acclaimed 1967 classic, Six Seconds in Dallas. Thompson then brings his research full circle with a presentation based on his 2021 book, Last Second in Dallas.
This video contains graphic imagery which may be disturbing. Viewer discretion is advised.
This presentation took place on November 18, 2022 in the Dallas County Records Building. To see related films, photos, documents and oral histories from The Sixth Floor Museum's collection, visit our online collections database (emuseum.jfk.org).
A previous video of this program has been replaced to correct technical problems with the Zapruder Film slides and Clint Hill’s interview. Each of these sections are now shown in their entirety.
What always gets me is how close Jackie Kennedy came to being hit and killed that day. Just as the massive head wound appears, she's putting her face right in front of JFK's. That bullet or those bullets just barely missed her.
Sam Beckett.
very true, and john Connally almost got his head blown off to 😵
The triangle of death...I'm always surprised she wasn't hit. Kinda proves they were pros, not LHO.
That trips me out too. Of course you never know what you will do in the heat of the moment but, she immediately crawled to the back making herself a big target. I’m thinking “wouldn’t you get DOWN in the car?” But I don’t know, maybe the shock of his brains supposedly on the back of the car made her do it. Who knows! I wonder if she ever actually talked about it? Surely she had to be interviewed too. This assassination has always fascinated me.
I may have missed it, I never notice her flinching either.
It is still so very sad today...
stole humanity's better future by false P.A.S.T.
Josiah's analysis of the blood spatter is outstanding. So many questions still remain.
You need "questions (to) still remain." There aren't any. Oswald did it, and he did it *_alone_* .
“Blew my mind”. Unfortunate turn of phrase.
Very interesting ! Thank you very much for sharing.
This is one of the best analysis that I have seen, of the JFK assassination . Congratulations Mr. Thompson for your hard work.
He never explains how somebody would ever assume they would successfully frame this on a lone shooter while firing from multiple directions.
He never explains how you successfully approach scores and scores of witnesses, police, Secret Service, military personnel, doctors, pathologists, ballistics experts, x-ray technicians, photographers, Oswald family members, whole commissions, etc., and persuade them all to obey illegal orders and bend over backwards making themselves all eternally loyal accessories to murder and treason.
He never explains how doing these things is a better idea than just leaving well enough alone and saying Oswald must have had an accomplice who got away, which would have suited any conspiracy just fine.
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Actually, he is 100% full of bullshit. Don’t be fooled by midinformation. The man simply doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
Good job!!! This is what I believed happened.
The truth of what happened that day in November 1963 will never be known.
@patsirianni7984 Don't flatter your political paranoia. We have long-known what happened. Oswald did it, and he did it *_alone_* .
@@stddisclaimer8020 did you read the Warren report completely. .?
The truth is already known. JFK was ambushed by multiple teams of shooters, none of whom was Oswald. Around 40 witnesses around the grassy knoll said they heard shots from that area and the Warren Commission ignored them. Oswald was an asset of the intelligence community since the Marines and was involved in the plot, but not as a shooter. Nothing except tampered evidence ties him to either gun. No court would have convicted him. That’s why he was killed.
You are both wrong what happened is so obvious it's not funny.. if you knew anything about biometrics... You'd know what really happened.and I will leave it at that
@@tsquared4831 You know so little about "what happened" it's not funny. On the other hand, it's hilarious. It's known as the "preponderance of evidence." Look into it. We'll leave you at that...
I’ve just started to read his newest book.
Reading his book now ("Last Second in Dallas") - fascinating book. I'm glad the SFM allows him to speak there as they usually don't accept narratives that go against the official WC (lone gunman and magic bullet theory) narrative.
Your "narrative" about the SFM usually 'not allowing' ct people to speak there is about as real as any other ct bs. They do.
@zrrifle There was indeed a lone gun man who's name is Oswald. But the magic bullet business is the invention of the conspiracy-kook crowd. In short, the term "magic bullet" is a straw man, arrived at by misstating the evidence, specifically the seating arrangement of the two men (JFK & Connally). No magic was required, the wounds of the the two men practically form a straight line.
SS Agent Paul Landis retrieved an intact bullet from the back of JFK's seat at Parkland. I believe that is CE 399.
All credible medical, forensic, eyewitness, film and ballistic evidence demonstrates the shots were all fired from Oswald's rifle in the sixth floor window.
No narratives against the WC! Are you out of your mind? It’s at least twenty-to-one against the WC because that’s where all the “JFK cottage industry” money is! Telling the truth isn’t a profit making game.
I don’t know what you do with that thing sitting on your shoulders but you should really give it a shake! Saying the quiet part out loud isn’t in your best interest…
I must say, it is refreshing to see this kind of material being presented by the SFMADP.
Now forced to hedge their bets in the face of now overwhelming evidence contrary to their incredible and absurd years of propaganda insisting that LHO was a lone nut assassin.
you like lies?
@@mikejones9961 Lies are the warren Commission and HSCA. If you pay attention he completely demolishes both.
On the morning that Kennedy was shot Lee Harvey Oswald and Officer Tippit they were eating breakfast together.. they were both good friends and they were both patsies and killed..After that they both got screwed over in many ways..Look up a guy named "Billy Seymour" he was Oswald's impostor look alike.. Officer Tippit was killed because he looks similar to John F Kennedy.. they needed a body to shoot.. these guys on stage they don't have a clue what they're talking about..Called body swap..See what they did yet...🤔
@@mikejones9961 just 3 shots from the Texas School Book Depository, right?? I guess all of the doctors at the Parkland ER weren't qualified enough to be able to tell an entrance wound from an exit wound...
I think some fire came from the "Dal-Tex Building" as well.
I have an issue with Thompson's description of the Harper fragment. The Harper fragment was occipital bone. Check of Larry Rivera's work. He has actually created a 3D model of the fragment and it fits right in the mid back of the skull where the bump is.
@rickbucciarelli2778 Dr. J. Lawrence Angel, curator of physical anthropology at the Smithsonian Institute (who had studied hundreds of skeletons for law enforcement agencies and thousands of archeological skeletons) declared the Harper fragment to be “clearly parietal bone” that had come from “roughly the middle of the right parietal” area (i.e., above the right ear. There was no frontal shot in 3D nor any other dimension.
David Mantik, PhD physicist and MD specializing in radiology, verified the Harper Fragment came from an inch to the right of the external occipital protuberance, and nearby. The Harper fragment was blasted out the rear and resulted from the Z343 shot to the right temple. The Z250 bullet tracked (per Dr. Boswell autopsy notes and Mantik's revelations) from the external occipital protuberance area to between the vomer and the right eye orbit. This happened at Z250 and put JFK into an instant coma, which is why he starts to drop his hands and arms at Z251. At Z220 a frontal shot penetrated the windshield and then JFK's throat, jamming glass fragments into his face as seen by Parkland doctors and embalmer Tom Robinson. The Z286 storm sewer shot made a 7.62mm hole above JFK's right eye, seen by Tom Robinson, Quentin Schwinn (photo), Paul O'Connor, and Charles Crenshaw. As it shed mercury from the dum-dum load, it tracked to the back of his skull and exited above the occipital bone, as seen on Bethesda lateral skull x-ray. Also you can see the Z286 exit on good copies of the Mary Moorman picture. The bottom of this cowlick area wound shows a curved white line, which is the thickness of JFK's skull as just blasted open. The ejected fragment of his skull shows at Z286 above the Babushka Lady's shadow at its midpoint, flying up and to the left. The Z343 entrance from the diagonal front into JFK's right temple was seen as a 5.56mm wound by Tom Robinson, Dennis David, and Robert McClelland. It entered at the hairline halfway between JFK's right ear and right eye, as seen by the 3 witnesses just cited. Anyone who thinks JFK wasn't shot from the front is simply unaware of the multiple lines of evidence from multiple witnesses.@@stddisclaimer8020
@@stddisclaimer8020 Right front parietal bone is perfectly in line with a right front impact due to spalling. Bone fragments from the point of impact typically eject at extreme angles to the bullet flight path due to supersonic transfer of energy to the soft and hard tissues.
Structures can't get out of the way fast enough so they eject perpendicular to POI.
If the anthropologist studied terminal ballistics as much as bones, he would know this.
@@LRRPFco52well said
@@stddisclaimer8020watch the Z film. Shot clearly hits him in right- front of head. You can see it with your own eyes. It doesn't require detailed discussions about bone fragments
Good evening! I hope someone here can help with a question. I just recently purchased a copy of Six Seconds in Dallas. It was said to be a first edition, first printing. But I don’t know how to verify this as the book itself doesn’t say. The beginning Why Another Book at the end states Aug 1967. I was under the impression that the book was released Jan 1967. If anyone out there has a 1st Edition can help verify this I would appreciate it.
33:07 This information relates to the shot from diagonal front to back at Z342-343, not the Z313 shot.
The most overlooked and I feel important evidence of a second shooter on the knoll area is the blood splatter as the limo was slowed to 2 mph when the head shot occurred. Bobby Hargis was the motorcycle officer on the left and rear and was the only officer or agent covered in blood and brain matter and follows the direction of impact and direction of force
No evidence showed the limo slowed to 2 mph. Hargas himself said he drove into the blood.His video saying that is on you tube he also shots came from the rear.
@@randyharris3175 The time is estimated by point A to point B in the Zapruder film and accounting for the speed of Zapruder's Camara, and blood splatter spreads in the direction opposite of force Hargis was 2ft off and 11 rear on the left of Kennedy wind gust 12 to 18 mph directly head on with the motorcade on Elm st . And that is only a shot Hargis heard. 2 shooters in my book, and if you see the testimony of S.M Holland, he and ALL of the railroad workers with him on the overpass saw the Gun smoke from the knoll and testified to it, yet All the testimony of what they saw left out of the Warren report.
@@donlord794 Not so all the rairoad workers didn't say puff of smoke and those that did said different places. Did you know the WC used Holland testimony to establish there was no shooter behind the picket fence.
@@donlord794 There is no doubt the direction of the blood flow its on the Z film up and forward ofcourse some went back to and brain fragments. The motorcylce rode through it. Also Nellie Connally John Connally and the driver and Kellerman all talk about the mist hitting them. All the ftragments from Oswalds Carcano was found forward.
@@randyharris3175 There is a film by Mark Lane made relatively close to the assassination on the Warren report and includes 1st hand witnesses to the assassination it is on RUclips
Amateur question: By nature of being on the overpass, would Holland have had a clear perception of each shot? It would seem not being down in the buildings and further away, the echoes would be less. Plus he wouldn't hear the reverb from the shots off the overpass and back toward the buildings since he was on top of it. That would lend credence to him being able to pick up the last 2 shots being so close together as two distinct shots, particularly from 2 different types of guns.
I think you answered your own question.
Many people heard the last two shots being nearly on top of each other audibly and they were all over that plaza.
There have been plenty of re-enactments and analysis of shots fired from TSBD, but what about anything from the grassy knoll? Would shots fired from that angle, using the ammunition suggested, replicate the 'debris field' and injuries documented in this film?
Considering the energy that went into the bullet's force, how would that much energy have come from a third floor shot?
The weapon, which was not even a rifle a 36 inch long model as apposed to a 40 inch rifle could not have fired the bullets that killed the president. .... The [Mannlicher-Carcano] bullets, which were standard copper-jacketed World War II-vintage military ammunition, could not have caused the explosive damage. .... This kind of ammunition...does not explode as it is heavily jacketed and moving too slow. .... [An] X-ray of the President's head...displays a pattern of metallic debris as effects of the impact of an exploding bullet, which could not have been caused by ammunition of the kind Oswald was alleged to have used, thereby exonerating him." -- James H. Fetzer
Regardless of who shot from behind, Oswald, Wallace, and or someone from the Dal Tex bldg, or another place from the TSBD, somebody delivered the kill shot from the front
Absolutely no evidence that happened just the contrary.
"Regardless of who shot from behind, Oswald, Wallace, and or someone from the Dal Tex bldg, or another place from the TSBD, somebody delivered the kill shot from the front"
Nope, it has still to this day never actually been proven that the kill shot came from the front, and the majority of the evidence indicates a greater likelihood that it came from behind JFK.
none of those things you said have any basis in reality and they sound pretty clueless. I can easily back up why with evidence and you cannot back up why not with anything whatsoever except wishful thinking.
Amen. Conspiracy through and through.
@@donbartels153 Wrong
Any thoughts on the hole in the windshield/damaged chrome frame?
No. They carefully ignore this.
Those are at least 3 of the physical impacts to structures caused by high velocity projectiles that day:
Curb
Windshield frame
Windshield glass
Injuries include:
JFK-
1.Back GSW, R upper torso near scapula (pathologist said lower, Ford admittedly moved it higher on the autopsy diagram to the trapezius, notes were burned.)
2. Throat entrance adjacent to Adam's apple (Dr. Perry)
3. Skull entrance at the R hairline near the temple
4. Skull exit R occipital region, 5" in diameter (Dr. McClelland)
Connally-
5. Right rear back entrance with a significant downward trajectory, broke R 5th rib
6. R anterior chest exit midline with nipple, below the pectoral, 2" diameter sucking chest wound
7. R distal radius entrance, fractured radius
8. R palm exit
9. L thigh GSW with fragment removed
Tague-
10. Cheek injured by high velocity fragment
That's no less than 13 entrances, exits, and physical impacts to structures.
Initial FBI Report stated at least 4 shots were fired. Many witnesses heard 5-6.
WC asserts that only 3 shots were fired.
HASC concluded at least 4 shots fired.
@@LRRPFco52 bullets don't always just hit something and stop, they keep going. If they hit soft tissue first, they'll often tumble or sway. Thus they might hit a rib sideways--flattening the side of the bullet. It will keep going until enough tissue slows it to a rest.
Another bullet might hit bone or skull at full speed. It would dump some 1500 ft/lbs of energy in a closed container, causing the brain to exit one way, and push the head the opposite way. Hitting bone at full speed fragments the bullet. Those fragments hitting things like the inside of the windshield glass or chrome. It's possible a fragment hit the curb. It's also possible that the first round that missed also hit the curb.
The majority of witnesses heard three shots. The witnesses who heard a gunshot or gunshot echo coming off the grassy knoll fence, and ran to the fence--did not see anyone there.
A grassy knoll shot would have blown out the left ear of JFK, and possibly hit Jackie.
@@DoBraveryFPS I've been studying, conducting testing, and have authored technical publications on internal, external, and terminal ballistics with over 42 years of experience in the field. It's why the WC summary was probably the most terrifying book I ever read when I turned to the ballistics chapters. I've also read the chief ballistician reports from Edgewood Arsenal, where he complained that he wasn't allowed to present their findings to the WC. At least 3 of the WC commissioners knew the report was BS and disagreed with the findings.
@@LRRPFco52 HSCA "conclusion" was debunked by the National Academy of Sciences.
I think he should bring ballistics knowledge to this. People don’t have much experience with light objects penetrating at high speed, they have experience moving heavy objects at a slow rate of speed. Speed and energy react differently when you invert these variables.
I take your point. But have you ever seen a convincing modelling of the head-shot that showed such a powerful backward movement? Yes, I know it is a difficult thing to model accurately (a cadaver head isn’t going to react like a live human’s head). But even so.
Head shots with x-rays, I thought Nova’s documentary “Cold Case JFK” covered that and was convincing.
Thompson should have gone with his original granular analysis, which has been reiterated from the beginning to the present day, including computed analyses, and frame-smoothed variants whose algorithms are tuned for motion-decomposition and not to support any theory:
Kennedy's head moves _forward_ , an inch or two. Even if we account for Thompson's stated motion-blur and possible brake-pedal tap (which latter would affect Jackie's arm). The computer interpolates a movement forward in the frames because (having read no Posner book and seen no Oliver Stone movie) that's what it _'sees'._
It's there, and no blood-spatter analysis or rain-shadow theory can make it go away.
@@MrKenny777 I’ll throw this out there for people to chew on. We now have modeled ballistic dummies complete with life-sized organs, blood, and bone that is completely representative of human anatomy, however our ability to create the same level of pressure, blood pressure in these bodies is in it’s infancy. Currently, a shot like that into one of these bodies is not going to spray blood under pressure - it’s just going to spray debris.
Once we’re able to build a working pressure system, I do think the single shooter theory will become more acceptable, based on what we see in the Zapruder film. As it stands, only a few people, mostly RUclipsrs, have recreated the events of that day with one of these more modern (non-pressurized) ballistic dummies.
The problem is, you’d have to determine several factors, including the wind speed/direction of that day. And the actual trajectory of that shot. I suggest everyone try this, but I recently drove (again) 11 miles an hour down my block and it’s so incredibly slow, it was not only hard to do in my car but I felt like I was going so slow that a neighbor would think I was stalking someone. Lol This creates two conflicting problems in my mind: 1) certainly a target moving just 11 miles an hour is not a hard target for a marksman to hit and 2) the wind generated from the speed of the vehicle is not enough by itself to spray liquid to the rear (remember though that wind speed can be induced by climate). Lastly, to me, I believe the speed of the car in the Zapruder film is twice as fast than real time. My opinion though.
@@MrKenny777well, it's important to remimber the effect the back brace he was wearing. It had a stiffening effect on both shots. He didn't slump but remained figidly upright after the first shot that hit him. The same rigidity caused his head, after being propelled foward, slingshot back.
@sixth floor museum way I’m I not getting ant new feed on RUclips anymore and I’ve subscribed
By 'had clump a firecracker out'...Holland likely meant 'as if someone had lit and tossed a clump of firecrackers'.
24:10 These people were subject to two different splattering events. At Z313 the material exited out the right side of JFK's head, as seen in live action by Bill Newman and Emory Roberts, which is why Roberts knew JFK was dead and therefore called back agent Jack Ready. That splatter was in the general direction of Jackson and Chaney. At Z343 the splatter was to the rear and to JFK's left, which caught everyone else on the list, viz. Clint Hill, Hargis, Martin, and Sam Kinney.
Emory Roberts called off the agent at Love Field. Emory is a person of interest as law enforcement agencies say.
He did NOT call the agent back because he "knew" JFK was already dead ! Stop your bull $hit
Has anyone ever discussed the difference between spalling and spatter with you?
Supersonic impacts of high velocity missiles cause spalling when they impact the head, since the skull is a hard barrier with intracranial pressure.
With rifle fire to the head, we generally see more violent wounding effects at the point of impact, but the destruction to the skull is such that it cavitates the skull and blows brain matter in multiple directions.
You are referring to vague generalities, my account deals with specifics of the JFK case. Spalling and/or spatter may or may not occur and at different levels. Even if a bullet is subsonic. Ditto for how much punching vs. how much cavitation. It depends on the alloy, the angle, the shape, and the velocity among other factors. Claiming "we generally see...." is, as suggested earlier, just a generality lacking focus or applicability.
Clue: if you see two massive jets of anatomical debris exiting in two different directions from two places on the skull at two times during the parade and at two different points along the parade, you have two different wounds from two different bullets. And if one is from the front and the other is from the rear, that clearly means two different rifles and two different shooters and two different firing positions no matter how much spin you try to apply in the interest of fabricating confusion.
Additionally there is a third independent bullet hole near the external occipital protuberance from the Z250 shot stopping at the front side of his head inside his face, and there is a fourth independent shot at Z286 from above the right eye, through the brain, and out the rear at the top of the occipital bone for a total of four head shots.
Which is why JFK's head couldn't be dummied up locally at Parkland by John Liggett, and had to go for major reworking by Humes at Bethesda. And it was seen being done by Tom Robinson and Ed Reed. Noise about spalling and sputter doesn't change the fact they saw 6 different entry and exit wounds crunched and sawed into one big hole. Red herrings fool only those who are impressed by false distractions.@@LRRPFco52
@@jackieowI agree. I've personally observed through optics at least 180,000 high velocity rifle impacts just in the last 14 years, and have studied countless hours of high speed photography, conducted and studied substantial amounts of terminal ballistics research over the last 4 decades, and have published technical materials vetted by multiple ballisticians and engineers who specialize in this field.
I have also seen in-person the results of head trauma from rifle fire, and have gone through live tissue training in the military at the JSOMC at Fort Bragg.
The near-90° skull fragment you see in Zapruder jetting into the sky is very classic for a right, frontal impact.
It does feel like something is off with the Zapruder film, with weird ghosting in between the sprocket holes, and stuttering right during the sequence between the yellow kill zone curb markings.
Those remind me of how we would bracket a kill zone for ambushes, only using aiming stakes at the shooter's firing position on the assault line if in the woods, but then different control measures in urban terrain.
The assassination bears very telltale signs of a well-planned and executed urban sniper ambush, using Techniques, Tactics, & Procedures that were common to the OSS and Mafia.
Remember that the MAFIA was formed to fight French invasions centuries ago, so it was organized as a partisan military resistance force of undercover bosses, captains, and soldiers sworn to protect their homeland.
It evolved into a criminal enterprise network between periods of conflict.
This was almost too perfect for the OSS to recruit from during the War. OSS and CIA were populated with Mafia hitmen and soldiers in the 1940s, along with hundreds of Russian double agents.
jackie owI agree. I've personally observed through optics at least 180,000 high velocity rifle impacts just in the last 14 years, and have studied countless hours of high speed photography, conducted and studied substantial amounts of terminal ballistics research over the last 4 decades, and have published technical materials vetted by multiple ballisticians and engineers who specialize in this field. I have also seen in-person the results of head trauma from rifle fire, and have gone through live tissue training in the military at the JSOMC at Fort Bragg.
[This gives you a good background. But it does not predict the next wound you will see, nor whether photographs of it have been tampered with. Chances are the 180,000 doesn't include a lot of exploding dum-dum bullets I would venture to guess.]
The near-90° skull fragment you see in Zapruder jetting into the sky is very classic for a right, frontal impact.
[Any average guy you see walking down the street will likely have two eyes and two ears and a nose and a mouth. Wanted murderers in the FBI's Ten Most Wanted posters generally have two eyes and two ears and a nose and a mouth. That doesn't mean the characteristics of the average guy mean he is a wanted criminal. The 90 degree skull fragment you see jetting into the sky is probably you referring to Zapruder frame Z313. It might be a skull fragment or it might be a blob of brain tissue. Being classic for = resembling is NOT proof of identity or equality. There was a right frontal impact at the right temple, but it was a punched hole about 5mm in diameter, as in fact seen afterward in real life by Tom Robinson and Dennis David and Robert McClelland. So that was clearly, in this case, a punch in and not a fragment coming out and rising at 90 degrees. That bullet was likely an explosive dum-dum round loaded with mercuric fulminate or lead azide which blasted out the right rear occipitoparietal area with a 4x4 inch exit.. If you look at Mary Moorman's photo, snapped at Z316, notice the far side of JFK's head [where you can't see] already has jetted out the exit debris from the Z313 shot. Notice the 4x4 inch hole in the back of JFK's skull hasn't formed yet. Because it didn't happen until after Z316. You can tell Zapruder equivalent times for all this by paying attention to the position of policemen's motorcycle plexiglass windscreens. Because as Greer was slowing down the limousine the police were not slowing, and so in relative terms gaining on the presidential limousine. We know the right temple large wound (not the 5mm hole) was a bullet exit because it happened 10 feet in front of Bill Wyman and he thought he saw JFK's ear coming off toward him. What had happened the instant before was the bullet entered at the right occipitoparietal area, its dum-dum explosive pressurized the right cranium, and a blowout happened where the bone was weakest and thinnest, namely high on the right temple. It started to open as a thin curved slit, and so under maximum pressure the pressurized blenderized brain material and blood jetted upward. It was like a breadbox door barely opening at the top with a hinge across the bottom, and many of the Parkland doctors didn't even realize there was a wound there because being a lid or flap in form it was sealed up later so as to be practically invisible. The top was blown cracked open but the bottom remained hinged because the bone is thicker there and there is more connective tissue to hold things together. If a piece of bone had blown out the lid exit, it would have been noticeable for its absence. There wasn't any such event. So the bone jetting up in Z313 isn't bone but white brain matter. As the lid opened further and more ejecta was blown out, Bill Newman could see a hollow area "big enough you could set a baseball in there" inside the right cranium, so he pulled his wife and kids to the ground to protect them. Robert Schorlemer and James Carrico were the first doctors (or M4 medical student) to see JFK at Parkland. Schorlemer noticed the flap or lid at JFK's temple, now blasted by the second megablaster exploding shot at Z342-343, and noticed it opened outward and toward the left (due to the Z342-343 megablaster cutting the hinge at the right and center). It opened outward because that's how it was blasted, from the interior, from an exploding dum-dum bullet that had come from the rear at Z313 then was further blasted and the hinge partially cut at Z343. Most likely from Harry Weatherford at the Central Records Building. Z206 to the shoulder was deliberately weak, came from about 45 degrees above-- likely Dal-Tex or the Central Records Building. It entered only 1.25 inches and startle goosed JFK into flinching his head up for the Z220 shot. Instead of finishing the event with a head entry it bungled low into his throat. Z220 was a level shot almost parallel to the ground, going uphill, as judged by the hole in the windshield and the hole in JFK's throat. The Z250 underpowered shot was almost level in trajectory, so it was probably from second floor Dal-Tex. Instant coma, ergo JFK starts to drop his hands and arms at Z251. It was almost straight back to front, but the Z313 bullet was oblique from left direction at the rear to out at the right temple. The diagonal path compared to Z250 means it came from left of Dal-Tex, namely the Central Records Building. On super excellent copies of Mary Moorman you can barely see a dark spot at the entry. Either a dot smudge or the entry hole from Z313. After Z313 and the blowout out JFK's right temple, Z342 shows no gouge in the back of JFK's head. Z343 shows a gouge in front of Jackie's white glove. So the final head shot happened between Z342 and Z343. Clint Hill said he was massively splashed with blood when he was at the rear of the limousine almost ready to jump aboard, and that matches that we see in Z342-343 as Clint Hill is mid-air and almost aboard. So that's when a different megablaster bullet and wound was coming from front right at the 5mm temple hole toward left (direction) rear on the same oblique path as Z313 but backwards. The path was hugging the skull enough to emerge on the right side of the skull with the 4x4 exit hole and destroy the Z313 entrance hole, but the bullet trajectory was leftward and to the rear. This was a trick shot, so two bullets made only one apparent wound. Just a magic trick to fool the suckers. We don't see the bloodbath coming out of JFK's rear head at Z343 because it was airbrushed away. We also don't see it at another time because this happened at Z343. But Linda Willis and her family saw the huge red geyser to the rear, lit up by the sunlight, and Jackie saw the blood and brains and skull fragments on the trunk to go retrieve even though they are airbrushed from Zapruder also.]
It does feel like something is off with the Zapruder film,
[to put it mildly. See "Altered History" by Douglas Horne, 6 hrs plus. Also John Costella's nine-part video series.]
with weird ghosting in between the sprocket holes, and stuttering right during the sequence between the yellow kill zone curb markings. Those remind me of how we would bracket a kill zone for ambushes, only using aiming stakes at the shooter's firing position on the assault line if in the woods, but then different control measures in urban terrain. The assassination bears very telltale signs of a well-planned and executed urban sniper ambush, using Techniques, Tactics, & Procedures that were common to the OSS and Mafia.
[When Dan Marvin was at Ft. Bragg Green Beret sniper assassination school, his class saw the Babushka Lady's film version of the JFK hit. When it was over the instructor said, "This is an excellent example of how to conduct an urban sniper assassination." Babushka Lady didn't get fame and fortune like Zapruder did because she was on assignment for the CIA, like the guy with the still camera in back of Jackie at Z342-343. The guy to the right on the curb behind Greer is Ike Altgens.]
Remember that the MAFIA was formed to fight French invasions centuries ago,
[in Spain to stand up to Napoleon, when the "little war" was being fought. Little war in Spanish = guerilla]
so it was organized as a partisan military resistance force of undercover bosses, captains, and soldiers sworn to protect their homeland. It evolved into a criminal enterprise network between periods of conflict. This was almost too perfect for the OSS to recruit from during the War.
[That deal was cut with Lucky Luciano, including mafia help for the invasion of Sicily in particular, and keeping saboteurs away from docked ships in the US. Also the US Government allowing their international dope trafficking.]
OSS and CIA were populated with Mafia hitmen and soldiers in the 1940s, along with hundreds of Russian double agents.
[As Sam Giancana said, there is not much of a line of distinction between the mafia and the CIA. During the Civil War the Czar sent a fleet to protect the East Coast and the Caribbean. Another protected the west coast. He had a few acknowledged Russian spies on foot spying out the Confederate positions and reporting them to Union generals.]@@LRRPFco52
There was a documentary film a number years ago called “I killed JFK” The killer was currently incarcerated in prison for life He said he flew into Dallas on a CIA plane with CIA agents and Mafia sharp shooters He said that Johnny Rosseli was also on the plane He was positioned behind the fence on the grassy knoll with a Remington Fireball gun caliber 223 from my memory He stated that he hit Kennedy in the temple behind the right eye and a second shooter hit Kennedy in the back of the head a millisecond after his shot hit Kennedy He said he left the casing on the fence after he bit the casing leaving a tooth impression in the brass casing A number of years later a person using a metal detector found the casing A forensic Dentist examined the impression on the casing and his molars and certified them as a match Dental records are routinely used to identify corpses This documentary and your investigation of the kill shots are almost identical Why hasn’t this individual been further interrogated for more details ?????
LOL...Get a Grip Man! James Files is a joke even to most conspiracy believers.
James Files had too much time in jail to become a so called expert on the JFK assassination - he is fake, so is Baker, Arnold etc etc.
@@rawbaconFiles is a joke….Haha if he did it, he would have been just as dead as JFK within the first couple of hours. Please get a handle on it.
Smoke with all conditions according to the characteristic of the gun and the prevailing wind, with tailored loads I would think myself
Is it true the limo slowed to near 10 mph
Reading Josiah’s Last Second in Dallas right now, it’s excellent. He’s also excellent on the ABC documentary ‘JFK Unsolved: The Real Conspiracies’, available on RUclips.
Refreshing how he eschews the usual finger pointing of who was responsible, and instead studies what exactly happened in Dealey Plaza that day. I’m visiting Dallas in May and Josiah’s works will be invaluable to me during my trip.
Where does this crackpot let his sources be seen. His tapes need to be proven they're doctored. Kinda and outlandish claim. (I've read Devil's Chessboard. Awesome book)
So, u believe it is only an optical illusion that GovCon sat 6 inches inward of JFK, as shown by JT in a photo in the documentary.
Excellent but wrong.
Conspiracy theorists attack the minutiae and disregard the overwhelming other evidence that supports the Warren Commission conclusion. Nothing wrong with pointing out peculiarities but in the end what does it prove?
@@randyharris3175 make that make sense.
The Zapruder film blew his mind....poor choice of words.
It really stupid choice of words considering the circumstances
He was referring to the film not been shown until 1975 on the nightly tv show. It was hidden all those years and that is what is talking about. After he saw the whole film for the first time that is what he means by that phrase
did any shots actually come from the TSBD 6th floor window?
Several eyewitnesses testified to seeing a rifleman fire three shots from the 6th floor. The wounds on Kennedy and Connally, damage to the limousine and bullet fragments found, plus the ricochet fragments which wounded James Teague were all determined to have come from the direction of the south east corner off the 6th floor. There's no physical evidence of shots from anywhere else.
@martoto77 there were plenty of eye witnesses that saw and heard much different. That said so much testimony, pictures, undeveloped rolls of film taken and so on including witness intimidation. Even some on the Warren Commision stated publicly it was BS committing so much that wouldn't fit the agenda. Believe what you like but your un-objective train of thought shines Brite.
At the photo on 42:13 Zapruder is already gone, he was fast getting out of there.
They need to go more in-depth with Jack Ruby
They did. Every single person who knew him well said it's ludicrous to suggest he would or could take part in a conspiracy. Least of all trusted by the mafia to whack a presidential assassin to cover up a bigger conspiracy. Ruby had opportunities to kill Oswald the day before. But let him talk to detectives for another day and a half instead. Contrary to popular myth he was keen to take a polygraph to prove that he was NOT part of a conspiracy.
The most shocking US Presidental assassination is that of JFK - partly because it is so recent and party because it stifled hope in a brighter outlook for many in the world. Also, of course, because of the graphic and immensely important Zapruder film. We are so lucky that this has survived, been enhanced and made public.
Fortunately, for those of us over the pond, only one British Prime Minister has been assassinated: Spencer Perceval (1762-1812). He is buried at St. Luke's Anglican church, Charlton (in South East London) with an elaborate memorial in Westminster Abbey erected by the Prince Regent.
That maybe true but Wilson was also the victim of a coup
Im sorry but youve missed the mark. The Kennedy murder is different because unlike the other presidential assassinations, this was a conspirator effort by rogue forces in our own government. Kennedy wanted to dismantle the CIA and kill Vietnam war. the people who make money on such things werent having it. Many consider this when we truly lost our country to the power elite structure that exist today. Garfield and McKinley were killed by wing nuts. It could be argued Lincoln was killed by a conspiracy, but it was among only a few known actors who were not sanctioned by the government or in government. I was just fact checking and got so angry because the article i pulled up real quick STILL spits out the stupid disrespectful bullshit story about Oswald and the book repository. What happened to Kennedy is what allowed 9/11 to happen.
I agree. It is so shocking. But when you think about the horrific decision to ride in an open limo through a violently right wing city ... we knew JFK was wreckless, but man that was insane. That was the last time a U.S. president did something so ill advised as that. I believe every president (given the amount of crazy people here) who rode around like that would be shot. It's also shocking - because like you said - it ended the feeling of new and brighter days ahead for America with this young dynamic president. So wish he would have lived.
And then, a little over 2 months later, on February 7th 1964, '4 Mop' Heads landed in NYC and performed on the Ed Sullivan Show on February 9th 1964, wiping away the tears !!
@@MrGreglarry WHAT ??? the Fruit Loops really come out on these kind of videos. 'Right wing' people are not murderers, insane people are. How would you like me to post the murder statistics here for all of the American cities run by 'left wingers' having murder rates through the roof and sections that you don't dare walk through if your skin is 'white' ?
If you take a top down view of the presidential limo at the moment when this event of debris being broadcast occurred and using the back of the limo as 12:00 and the front 6, the fact that a skull fragment was found at 3:00 suggest that the debris was not isolated to just the 1 :00 tangent in the direction of Harrgis .. That means there could've been a maelstrom of debris blasting everywhere not just to the left rear .
Fascinating presentation. However, the theory presented assumes that ONLY the shots can cause the movement of the debris from the head wound. But we know that the president's head snapped forcefully back and to the left rear, exactly the direction of some of the debris. Moreover, that rearward movement of the head itself can be explained by a neuro-muscular reaction to the bullet wound to the brain. A shot TO the right front would have produced an exit wound in the left or rear of the head and that simply was not found at the autopsy. Moreover, it's clear from the Zapruder film itself that the wound on the right side of the head is a massive exit wound, not a neat round little entrance wound. Plus, where did this 4th bullet go?
Brilliant lecture.
NOPE
1. The Z-film clearly shows the right side of the president’s head opening up (exit wound). According to Josiah, the shot was from the right front. There was no exit wound on the left side of JFK’s head. (No Parkland Dr. ever stated they saw a left side exit wound)
2. JFK was leaning to his left at Z313 and Josiah is not taking into account this and the forward motion of the limo, also the wind speed and direction. “southerly winds between 15-30mph would push temperatures up and with the unexpected sunshine”
It’s possible the witnesses who were hit with debris rode or ran through debris that was blown up and away rapidly decelerating and falling back down and being blown to the rear by the prevailing wind.
3. Jackie, the closest witness never mentions being blasted with brain and blood (she was mere inches away directly to his left looking directly at him)
Blood spatter patterning is very much a science in a room with walls and objects, not so much outside in the wind and in a vehicle that’s moving.
S.A. Holland stated he saw smoke rising from around the Grassy Knoll. Modern ammunition is essentially “smokeless” unless someone was using a muzzle loader, I find his testimony not 100% credible…
I respect Josiah Thompson but he’s proved nothing new or conclusive…..
Next!
But the angle doesn't align with the 6th floor window, witnesses heard two shots almost at the same time, the knoll, and the dal tex bldg, it's clear that a shot hit him from the front, but you can see a big flap above his right ear hang down, Lee Bowers, and the deaf guy saw the shooters on the knoll
There is a photo with the smoke, but it could have been from a ciggarette, the Newmans were close, but not six or eight feet, more like ten or fifteen, the 26th was four days later, not five or six, a hole in the windshield, from the front.
As a matter of fact more than 40 witnesses stated under oath that they didn’t see the opening on the the right temple, but a gaping hole in right rear of the head. That includes Hill, Parkland doctors, Bethesda medical staff and FBI agents
@@minkowski4d there’s a lot of things I don’t understand about the assassination. One, namely the different descriptions of the head wound by the Parkland staff. I know what I see in the Zapruder film, and it appears exactly what Bill Newman states in his interviews and testimony. He mentions seeing his “ear fly off” (of course it didn’t) the side of his head opening up, and the Newman’s were the closest witnesses to JFK during the assassination. The Z film has not been doctored. Jackie also stated she was holding the top of his head together (not the rear) Grisly for sure. I can only assume that the Parkland Doctors were very busy heroically trying to save the President’s life and possibly in the adrenaline filled atmosphere never really examined the wound that closely with Jackie in and out so often. Again, I wasn’t there and have had to settle that in my own mind somehow…. In the late 70’s I started out as a conspiracy believer, bought Dave Lifton’s Best Evidence in the early 80’s and have seen so much ridiculousness that I have come to the conclusion in my own mind LHO did it, alone.
@@mkii1964 Absolutely true about the Parkland doctors. But medical staff and FBI agents present at Bethesda said under oath that they saw a gaping hole in the back of the head. And I have the same feeling as you have: it's just impossible to put all these different information correctly together because the Warren commission did such a mess (Bill Newman wasn't even called....). That's why I say that the assassination remains unclear and we can't 100% certain what really happened. However, I still see the odds of LHO acting alone and pulling off three shots as more likely than a setup of multiple shoots (LHO and one, maybe two others). Let's say something like 70/30 or 60/40. Being said that, I do not understand people stating that it was 100% LHO or 100% a conspiracy...the latter as you said mostly ridiculous theories (6 shots and more, secret service shooting the president etc)
Oh, Holland the "Yard Master" was also a "R.R. Bull" I see.
I was beside the snipers nest at the museum in Dallas in the summer - I was shocked at how easy the shot would have been from that location - especially with a military rifle fitted with a scope.
The experts from the US Army and the FBI who had tested the rifle discovered that it was actually not usable in its original state: Shims had to be applied to the telescopic sight before the rifle could be aimed.
1 Even after the telescopic sight had been repaired, it proved unreliable and inaccurate.
2 The condition of both the bolt and the trigger pull meant that the rifle could not be aimed accurately.
3 In summary the rifle discovered on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository could not have caused any of the wounds to Kennedy, Connally or Tague, except by accident.
@@leonardcollings7389 He could have used a completely different sight hold than the testers.
Point #2 makes no sense.
Please explain
@@leonardcollings7389 So you're saying that the FBI, CIA, SS, and/or Dallas police conspired to frame Oswald by planting a rifle that made him look innocent?
Got it.
But bullet fragments were linked to the rifle found on the sixth floor. @@leonardcollings7389
the man who fired the kill shot is hiding in plain sight.
Shame that the scene and artifacts were not captured quickly. Would have been nice to have the suits and uniforms and motorcycles captured In evidence.
I wonder if anybody collected the cigarette butts left and the foot prints left at the wood stake fence above the grassy knoll shooter position?
@@1olddirtroad yes, but I've seen some extraordinary reveals on pieces of very old collected evidence that were thought to be of no value. The technician and technique are crucial.
All hell broke loose after the platform shoe.
Confused about the last shot coming from behind and exiting out Kennedy's throat when the film showed the President grabbing his throat before the shot to the side of his head from the front (grassy knoll).
JFK hit by 6 shots from 5 directions, details I posted elsewhere in this thread. The throat bullet was in at Z220, not out.
Of Course, JFK was never shot in the back of the neck, he was hit in the back and G. Ford changed the location of the wound...was discovered by the AARB in 1997! and made public. I think it even made it to the mainstream media (New york times).
Strangest of all after 1st shot why did driver not speed away an then strange enough slows to an almost stop then the awful last head shot. Even in 1963 common sense you are a secret service driver with president in an open car an actions he took clearly allowed the hit. Unbelievable how could driver be like this just insane to think why.
They even slowed down.....absolutely nuts.....
It's pretty evident, that the driver Greer was in on the plan.
They didn't slow down, and most witnesses who heard the first shot said they thought it was a backfire or cap gun like that.
There are numerous witness that say there were five shots heard and now they say there were some shooters using Silencers. So there could have been up to eight shots fired and for the record Lee H Oswald didn't fire any.
It's your own comment that should have had a "silencer." For the record, Oswald fired three shots, two of them hit. There were no other shooters...@josephmurphy1509
Some on here can dish it out but can't take it an run like cowards right stddisclaimer
Imagine, one second you're Easy Rider the next you get a face full of head.
If you listen to the interviews on this station, nearly every person said the shots came from the building, not the grass knoll. And all said only three shots. Later demonstrations of the shots reveal that in every instance the head goes back and to the left.
Actually the head goes forward then backwards and to the left which supports the theory of the doctors at Parkland who worked on President Kennedy and stated he was shot in the head by more than one bullet. Also there were 4 undeniable shots. 2 by Oswald and 2 by other shooters. You are correct however that there was no shot from the grassy knoll.. Kennedy has no wounds to the head that would support that trajectory.
Where do you get this? More people heard shots from the knoll than the Depository. Stewart Galanor Cover Up. In the aftermath of the shooting where do all the witnesses go?
@@vernpascal1531 Just because they heard a sound does not mean it was a gun shot...Also if you do some research you will clearly see that a shot from the knoll would have gone through the right side of Kennedy's head and out the other side. There is no wounds like that on his head. All shots to kennedy's head were front to back or back to front. And if by some chance there was a shooter on the knoll ... he missed.
@@vernpascal1531 Blatantly untrue: most people indeed heard the shots coming from the TSBD, starting with the witnesses directly under the sixth floor window. You know full well people only started running up the knoll after seeing Officer Haygood running up there to secure the area and neither he or they ever found anything up there.
Direction a person's head goes on being shot is meaningless regarding what direction the bullet came from and the limo abruptly sped up at the same time. No bullets or fragments were ever found that did not match to Oswald's rifle.
I was under the impression that the dictabelt recordings had been debunked because they were proven to be of a different motorcycle at a different point in time. Anyone?
Be very careful when someone pompously says something has been debunked. At least 9 out of 10 times it is just someone's biased opinion. Very little has been completely debunked, except the official story.
The officer on the motorcycle stated he wasn't even in Dealey Plaza when the shots were fired.
@@vernpascal1531 You know full well the recording was soundly debunked.
@@Docjonel no, the officer stated he was there under oath to the HSCA. The Warren Commission stated that he wasn't there....
1:00:30 - "fresh cigarette butts"!
Could THEY be the source of the smoke he saw?
sounds like .50 cal type devastation. Also, why is Dino Brugioni never mentioned. He said (while still living) that this is NOT the version of the Zapruder film that he saw and worked with to make the photo enlargements for the briefing boards, that had far more devastation that went on for several frames not just the one.
Lastly, did LHO secure the job before or after the motorcade route was published in the media?
Every rifle fire injury I've seen to the head with a center 1/3 impact causes pretty extreme deformity and brain tissue loss.
The only ones that are rather benign are when you hit outside that 1/3 center, and the bullet rides in between the scalp and skull.
JFK was clearly hit at least once in the skull, enough to cause traumatic deformity, skull fragmentation and ejection of bone fragments, and cavitation of the brain compartment with substantial evacuation of brain matter.
Ruth Paine told Oswald about the TSBD job, after concealing a much higher-paying job from him.
He had previously worked for a photographic maps company who supplied mapping services to the US Dept of Defense, to include maps of Cuba.
Ruth Paine's sister was literally an employee of the Central Intelligence Agency, living in Falls Church, VA, at the time.
She did studies on using video training for Radar operators and its efficiency in reducing manual-based reading training. This info has only come to light recently for obvious reasons.
George de Mohrenschildt introduced the Oswalds to the Paine family.
George was a Russian emigre, OSS agent during the War, and CIA operative at the time under cover as a petroleum geologist.
The more you study Oswald's life, the more you see him surrounded by three types of people.
Oswald was hired about a month before Kennedy's trip to Dallas was even decided upon, and his emplyoment there was only temporary. Also, Roy Truly, the supervisor at the TSBD testified that Oswald and another man both got hired in on the same day, but Truly intended to send one of them to another building a few blocks away. He chose Oswald to work in the TSBD building on a whim. And Oswald applied for another job during his time at the TSBD.
Oswald was definitely an intelligence agent at some point, but at the time of Kennedy's assassination he certainly had reason to be disaffected enough to do something crazy. I know if I had been a Marine and a CIA agent a few years ago, and now couldn't even afford a house or car of my own, I'd be pretty pissed.
@@ghostsignal But Kennedy’s trip to Texas was being planned for a long time because he needed to win TX in ’64 if he wanted any chance of getting reelected. A trip to Texas meant the major cities, which would all be driven heavily by LBJ and Connally.
It is odd that Ruth Paine didn’t inform Oswald of the higher-paying job, but instead told him about the TSBD. It’s also odd that he’s supposedly broke, but has money to buy all sorts of cameras, pay for printing of Fair Play for Cuba pamphlets, flashlight, pace count clicker, optics, a rifle with scope mounted, revolver, and all his travel between Louisiana, Texas, Florida, and even Mexico (we know he didn’t go to Mexico City as claimed in the WC, and Hoover did too.)
He didn’t want to leave Belorussia because he was living like a rock star there in Minsk.
@@LRRPFco52 Planning a trip to Texas is a lot different than planning the specific itinerary of a particular day in a particular city. The Dallas motorcade from Love Field to the Trade Mart wasn't finalized until November 16th. And don't forget it rained the morning of the 22nd. An open-top motorcade could have easily been cancelled if it had kept raining.
Have you ever fallen on hard times? You don't automatically lose everything you've owned up to that point. No doubt, most of Oswald's travels were paid for by whomever was maneuvering him in the years before 1963. Same with his camera.
As for his guns, they were cheap even adjusted for inflation. He was not packing state-of-the-art weaponry.
@ghostsignal do you realize the level of coincidence required for a American defector to the USSR during the height of the cold War to end up haphazardly working in a warehouse building situated at the precise street corner where a presidential motorcade was going to paas through in a major urban center with hundreds of other corners that a motorcade route could be planned for. Dallas wasn't some small town in West Texa with just one main street. I mean really think about the probability that this wasn't planned well in advance.
Thank you Stephen Fagan for this excellent. Josiah Thompson is my favorite JFK Assassination researcher. I was hanging on every word of this amazing presentation.
This is one of your best events. I would love to meet Josiah. I would really like to ask him how Bobby , Kenny O'Donnell, Dave Powers and Larry O'Brian failed to talk him out of the Dallas stop.
They should have anonymously checked out that motorcade route and realized that the President would be heading into a veritable shooting gallery with no escape. They all bear some of the blame for what transpired. A very sad day for America. RIP JFK.
, Dean ( in Syracuse)
News Flash, there were members of the Secret Service who were PART of the plan!! The entire motorcade was configured to give the gunmen the best Access. People we're no doubt rewarded for their efforts (or LACK OF) and those that wouldn't comply were eliminated as well. See DPD Officer Daniel Craig, that's a TRULY sweet American Story!!
@michealNOFACTS - provide the names & we will provide the medals and honors for ALL OF THEM
Blame? They succeeded in their plans.
What an ignorant statement.
@@michaelsikora6739 What a wrong and ignorant comment.
It was a new set from the WC bcuz they had to keep adding more twists and turd to it
Vince Salandria
Hi. I recently watched a RUclips video, written and presented by a gentleman named Sean Munger. I was at the time, looking for any programmes which offered an opinion from the point of view of Lee Harvey Oswald’s defence counsel, had there been any. I mistakenly assumed that Mr Munger’s two-video presentation was pretty much what I was looking for. Unfortunately I couldn’t have been more wrong. The more I watched the videos, the more disappointed I became, particularly by the tone of remarks made, besmirching those who aren’t for whatever reason, in a position to defend themselves - Dr Robert McClelland and Dr Cyril Wecht included. Is there an impartial group of contributors (‘conspiracy theorists’ as Mr Munger’s frequently describes them) that I could get some clarifications and substantions of some of the ‘facts’ presented by mr munger? Please note, I’m not looking revisit the whole series of events of that week in 1963, I’m only trying to determine if there was sufficient evidence to convict LHO at the time of the fatal assault by Jack Ruby. Many thanks.
Have a look at Vicky Adams testimony, and the other women she was with on 4th floor of TSBD. What amazed me is that on each floor you must exit the stairwell to continue up or down, and nobody saw LHO either on the stairs or on a floor on his way down to the cafeteria on 2nd floor.
I would go for the lone gunman theory except for the 3 Hobos and the Zapruder film (also Oswald's background very mysterious)!!!!!
One of those hobos was actor Woody Harrisons father.
I wouldn't be surprised if Oswald was CIA agent.
Well also the fact that EVERY PIECE OF EVIDENCE collected at both murder scenes belong to Oswald might tip the scale. 😂
@@radar0412 At the Autopsye multiple bullets were found and not placed into evidence read Palamara Honest Answers.
@@vernpascal1531 Since we don't have the body to examine, why don't you just provide me the link that shows us the rifle, cartridges, bullets and the photos of the guys who caused all them extra bullet holes. Certainly you're not one of those guys who just spreads Conspiracy theories without providing evidence? 🤣 Bye bye.
@@radar0412 Read the book. First 100 pages it's all in there.
Dealy plaza was a triagleated killbox...its a assasins technique...there were shots from the front...and rear....that exsplains the two shots. ..very close together...
NOPE
@@officeboyproductions414 so u think jackie...shot john?
@@davewallace8219 that is silly. no. LHO, from the sixth floor. that's what happened. why do you think a shot from the front despite no evidence other than THE WORST EVIDENCE EVER: "EYE WITNESS" the most unreliable form of "evidence".
I have always thought he was shot from the front one time only. There is no way the kill shot came from behind especially at that angle. The small amount of splatter in the front came the front impact of the bullet on his head. You can clearly see that in the film. The larger portion blew out the back of his head. All of which is consistent with getting shot from the front.
How many shots were fired over grassy knoll area They found one bullet in grass must been silencer on that one !
"They found one bullet in grass must been silencer on that one !"
Nope, it has never been proven that a bullet was found in the grass. You are repeating a common unproven factoid or urban myth about the assassination.
Lolol.. Let’s talk about the last 10 minutes of Oswald’s run that day, and what it means?.. A cop is murdered, and a few blocks away Oswald is discarding his jacket to change his appearance, and a few minutes later he whips out his pistol to try and kill more cops when he’s surrounded by cops.. lol..
What could that possibly mean, loons?.. lol..
I commented that he should talk to Posner !!!!! He deleted me.
Having fled Chicago suburbs for Texas in 2021 at 59 years old I finally visited the assasination spot for the first time in my life
So you were born right around the time of the assassination
whoop de doo
And you saw the historic site where that lug nut Oswald shot Kennedy.
Tink has done some great work ... but it all still seems off. The autopsy photos and the shots don't match. Something is skewed. It certainly looks like two very quick head shots ... but the angles need a little more explanation. Question: Would a head shot cause blow-out of skull on impact or only on exit?
11:36 I would think exit
@@scottstolper4218 I think Oswald was likely shooting from Depository ... But I can't rule out a shot from the Stockade fence ... or even the Dallas County Records Building.
@@MrGreglarry Just watch at the 36 minute mark of this and watch frames right after JFK is hit. Don't look at JFK, look at the Connallys. The force of the material that came out of JFK, rolled he and his wife forward, and not like a little. Like more than a foot over the next second after the head shot. Anybody that can watch this and say. The shot didn't come from behind is kidding themselves, and they were covered in blood and stuff. That Thompson goes all in this about the cops having pieces of material on them and it proves a shot from the side. Its actually insulting to people that have a brain.
The autopsy photos match Zapruder exactly, but people don't want hear that it shows a kill shot from behind.
Depends a lot on the type of bullet and what is being struck. A hollow point bullet hitting bone on impact might shatter and create a large entry wound but no exit wound. A fully jacketed bullet, could hit bone on impact and deform very little, meaning a small entry wound. And could pass through leaving a small exit wound as well.
What a glorious (let alone raional and logical) speaker!
Yes, but it was a bit weird hearing him chuckle when he showed his findings.
I have such a sense of sadness and shame that this was done by our own people and they got away with a very obvious cover up.
There's nothing funny about watching a man get his head blown off while his wife is holding him from the first shots.
The idea that so many people knew what really happened including the Warren Commission and each CIA and fbi director and each President since the murder.
How did each one justify in their mind, to keep it a secret?
Trump said he was going to declassify the full file but only was able to release a small portion before he was convinced by Mike Pompeo (former CIA director) and acting Secretary of State for Trump, to not declassify the full file.
Pompeo said it was because many people would be hurt by the truth coming out. At almost 60 years since the murder, nobody of critical importance is left.
It's time to release the full file and let the absolutely embarrassing cover up be exposed.
@@heynow01 Very well said. Also very sad it has become just something to argue over.
Regardless of the z-film or any conspiracy theories, physics dictates that it is impossible to fire 2 bullets from a bolt action rifle in less than 1 second. My father was a masters-level shooter who had a deep knowledge of firearms matched by few others, and even *_he_* could not fire that quickly. The inherent characteristics of that type of action prevent it. This *_single fact_* proves that LHO was not the lone shooter if he used a bolt action rifle.
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Most people don't realize that Oswald had trained for years to be able to run the bolt thru its cycle amazingly fast, using his right foot.
He was recruited specifically because his knees bent the wrong way, like a flamingo. This anatomical oddity allowed him to reach speeds upward of 35 mph on level ground. That's why he's usually blurry in photos
Not true. A demonstration was done and it was possible.
Interesting post on the greatest mystery of all time wish someone would write a book on the 3 Hobos!!!!
But there is no claim on record that 2 bullets were ever fired by Oswald in less than 1 second. You're either misinformed or being deceitful.
@@radar0412 It's a well known fact that Oswald was firing 2 rifles at once, one in each hand, and that he sent one skyward using the birthday balloons he'd taken from the 4th floor lunch room. In newsreels you can see the guy in the hat pointing at it because he knew there aren't any birds in Texas that look like balloons carrying a rifle. Not in wintertime.
Obviously has not listened to Doug Horne interviewing Dino Brugioni - otherwise he would not refer to the Z film.
Lol who listens to that damn liar about anything he's a joke.
Yessir! Dino Brugioni is totally credible and leaves no doubt in my mind about the alterations being done on the Zapruder film. He stated emphatically that he saw a totally different film than the one presented to the world later, and anyone who has seen this interview knows that he was telling the truth.
@@jannordelius7464 I watched that interview Dino is saying this after how many years. If you think they have the wrong film in the National Archives you're stoned as Robert Blakey would say wonder what Blakey would say?
@@jannordelius7464 If they had two set of people working its none of your business. That is the original film. What you dont seem to understand is Zapruder took that film home friday night showed it showed it later. Many people seen that original film. Any alteration would have quickly been exposed. How you and Mr Horne can explain that I don't know. The only thing Dino said in that interview which contradicts the film is that the brain spray went higher a 50 year old memory or the clarity of the film. He just said that wasn't his boards so where is the contradiction on the actual pictures.
What also confusing to me is how none of the Dallas doctors seem to notice the massive wound that appears to be depicted in the Zapruder film on the top and right side of Kennedy’s head.
All the interviews I’ve read, or heard mention the orange sized hole in the back rear of the head.
But I have never heard one doctor mention massive wound on that upper right side that seems evident in the film.
1:02:00 shows the assassin for the final fatal shot
"Blew my mind" was an interesting choice of words....😂
Where's the exit wound at the front of Kennedy's head from the (last) head shot from the rear which JT believes occurred, per frames 317 onwards? No-one at Parkland described any such wound to the front of JFKs head.
"Where's the exit wound at the front of Kennedy's head from the (last) head shot from the rear which JT believes occurred, per frames 317 onwards? No-one at Parkland described any such wound to the front of JFKs head."
That is not correct. Dr. Adolph Giesecke said that he saw that parts of JFK's skull were missing as far forward as just above his eyebrow, which is precisely what is shown in both the anterior and lateral x-rays. But naturally the majority of the Parkland doctors and nurses would have missed the more forward damage to JFK's head because at the time it was mostly obscured by his thick hair and his scalp. Remember that at Parkland, unlike Bethesda, they were not conducting an autopsy, and thus they never pulled back JFK's hair and scalp to view anything even remotely close to all 100 percent of the damage to his skull, nor did they take a single x-ray of his head. Once both these things were done at the autopsy at Bethesda, however, it was finally seen for the first time that the majority of the damage to his skull was actually in the front half of his skull, not the rear half, and that also there was more damage in the right half of the skull than in the left half.
@@Caeruleo Actually, Dr Giesecke's account to the WC is limited and he cites hearsay as he wasnt in Trauma Room 1 for long before he attended to the Governor. Indeed, even accepting what he apparently said about JFKs cranial damage from the browline, that neither tells us it was caused by an entry wound from the front or an exit wound from the rear. The autopsy pictures and x-rays have their own well documented problems anyway so are largely unreliable. Additionally, Thompson referenced the blood and brain spatter on the police outriders caused by the frontal headshot at 313 but makes no reference to similar particulate matter covering the Connollys or Greer or Kellerman if the second headshot had been from the TSBD.
@prb9013 The autopsy x-rays and photographs show that the back of Kennedy's head was intact with a large gaping exit wound in the right parietal area (relating to, or situated near the side and top of the skull)--consistent with a shot from *_behind_* .
@@stddisclaimer8020 Exactly, and none of the Parkland doctors described that kind of wound.
@@prb9013 "Actually, Dr Giesecke's account to the WC is limited and he cites hearsay as he wasnt in Trauma Room 1 for long before he attended to the Governor."
"Hearsay"? He may have cited hearsay on other matters, but on the matter of the damage to JFK's skull he did not say that he was repeating someone else's observations, he instead said that he saw this himself.
"Indeed, even accepting what he apparently said about JFKs cranial damage from the browline, that neither tells us it was caused by an entry wound from the front or an exit wound from the rear."
Not that by itself, maybe. But I brought this up in response to you falsely claiming that "No-one at Parkland described any such wound to the front of JFK's head." Yes, at least one did, so "no-one" is provably false. You also seem to be forgetting the Zapruder film. Immediately after his head is struck, by far the most obvious damage to his head is in front of his right ear, with those big, horrible flaps of bone and scalp. No damage even remotely as serious can be seen anywhere in the entire rear half of his head in any frame. The hole in the right rear of his head described at Parkland is barely visible in the film. The damage in front of his right ear is many times more obvious. And I don't buy the claim made by some that those horrible flaps were "added" to the film later and that this is evidence of "alteration" to the film. Abraham Zapruder himself, only two hours after the assassination on live television, before he or anyone else had yet seen the developed film for the first time, said that he saw the right side of JFK's head explode. Not the rear. The side. And as he was saying this, we can see him place his own right hand on the right side of his head in front of his right ear to demonstrate. And almost all of the other closest witnesses on JFK's right also said that it was the side, not the rear, of his head which they saw explode, including Emmet Hudson, Bill Newman, Gayle Newman, and Marilyn Sitzman herself, standing beside Zapruder on the pedestal. That's way too much corroboration for the damage seen on the side of JFK's head in front of his right ear to be a mere figment or a later alteration to the film.
And why wasn't that more forward damage especially noticeable at Parkland? Simple: because after she climbed back into the seat and had her husband's head in her lap, Jackie closed those flaps, so that at Parkland the more forward damage to his skull was mostly obscured by JFK's scalp and his thick hair (which was also matted with congealing blood, making the underlying damage to the skull even more difficult to see). How do I know this? Because Jackie herself said so. She said she was trying to hold his head together, trying to keep his brains from falling out, and she said it was mostly the *top* of his head and his hair that she was trying to hold on, not the rear of his head.
"The autopsy pictures and x-rays have their own well documented problems anyway so are largely unreliable."
Speaking for the moment of the x-rays only, I have been studying this assassination since 1988, and to the present day I've still never seen any real proof that the x-rays did not genuinely represent the state of JFK's skull at the time they were taken. What is your proof that the x-rays are "unreliable"?
"Additionally, Thompson referenced the blood and brain spatter on the police outriders caused by the frontal headshot at 313 but makes no reference to similar particulate matter covering the Connollys or Greer or Kellerman if the second headshot had been from the TSBD."
Oh, so just because Tink Thompson didn't mention it it automatically means that it didn't happen? It couldn't be that the true reason he didn't mention it was because he was being biased and selective in his citation of evidence? You didn't know that both Connallys testified that immediately after the head shot they saw pieces of JFK's brain land all over them and all over the inside of the car? You didn't know that Kellerman said that immediately after the head shot, material from JFK's head flew between him and Greer and struck the dashboard?
Also when he talks about the ike altgens 5, (6 photo) no mention of why you do not see officer channery in frame 255 of the so called z film, he should be see in that fame, plus also why you do not see the top upper part of the newman family and others who were standing on the northern curb on elm st, they too should be in the z film frames but they are not?
First, perhaps get your facts straight and your mind clear, and don't just believe anything you read in a ct book. Then, get informed, start thinking for yourself, and voila, you just might start to figure things out a bit.
If you don't see something in a frame, then there's either something wrong with your eyes, you're not looking closely enough, or, most likely, you've got things mixed up somehow.
Psssst....the Z Film was not altered and Oswald did it alone...pass it on
I wish you would check the microphones on the guest
Dr. J. Lawrence Angel, curator of physical anthropology at the Smithsonian Institute (who had studied hundreds of skeletons for law enforcement agencies over a fifteen-year period and thousands of archeological skeletons) declared
the Harper fragment to be “clearly parietal bone” that had come from “roughly the middle of the right parietal” area (i.e., above the right ear. The fragment coming from Kennedy’s parietal bone *_negates_* the inference (of conspiracy theorists) of the shot coming from the President's right-front.
When did he examined the fragment? Just wondering cause it disappeared from the national archives. I am also wondering about it, because more than 40 witnesses (Clint Hill, Parkland doctors and nurses, Bethesda medical staff) saw only one wound on the head: at the right rear of the head. Additionally the only forensic doctor, who handled the original fragment outside Bethesda, said the it came from the occipital part of the skull. So, there’s three good reason why someone could doubt your statements
@@minkowski4d You're spewing a load of hogwash culled from pro-conspiracy literature. (40 witnesses say!!) Back to reality, the anatomical evidence that shows the Harper fragment to be parietal bone; the witness testimony places the fragment forward and to the left of the limo, and the evidence of the Zapruder film shows all visible fragments going forward. Given that Kennedy's head was rotated to the left a few degrees at the time of the head shot, it would be impossible for a fragment from the occipital area to be blown forward of the limo, and very difficult for it to be blown to the left of the limo and onto the grass of the Dealey Plaza infield. In sum, the weight of the evidence shows the Harper fragment to be parietal bone, providing no evidence for the back of Kennedy's head being blown out.
Corroborative of that, both the Z-film and the Moorman photo show the back of the President's head to be *_intact_* right after the fatal shot.
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We know there was a 3rd shot from the TSBD; we know when this shot was heard, Kennedy's head was knocked forward (a simple slo-mo watch of the Z Film makes this obvious) and pieces of skull are extremely and incredibly visible above his head flying up and forward.
We see in the Z Film the big exit wound above the right ear, and we see a piece of skull attached to skin by his right ear hanging down from the big hole right above it. This is what we see in the autopsy photos/x-rays too, and the doctors agreed with those. Agent Hill mentioned this "skin flap" and so did the autopsy report.
Also, Parkland doctors Carrico and Jenkins explain how the misconception got started that the wound was lower.
So now, what reason is there to keep saying, "The back of his head was blown out"??
For anyone wanting to step back and see the whole picture and understand the situation - even if it's the boring "Oswald shot Kennedy in the head" - you can cut thru the bs and finally see the reality.
"spray went back!": Yaaaawn, of course it did, did you see that head explosion/
""Back and to the left!": Who cares? Muscle reflex / jet effect. There was one entry; back of head, and one exit; above right ear.
@@peterfraser9070 First of all: get your information right. E.g. WC Agent Hill deposition ("hole in the back of the head"). Read the original documents!
I do not believe in a conspiracy either. What I am saying is that the autopsy does not reconcile with trained witness accounts. And the reason for that is not a cover up, but Bethesda pathologists not being up for the job. However, that still leaves a minor probability that there was a second shooter, because that hole in the back of the head was not addressed properly.
Overall, I would stick with Occam's razor here. LHO pulled of three shots, got a bit lucky and caused all wounds (hole in the back can have been caused by the bullet entering from the back! see Nalli 2019).
@minkowski4d what's your verifiable reference?
from the interviews with the kodak laboratory guy we now know that the zapruder film shown is not the original one and therefore any conclusions drawn from it are iffy to say the least...frames are missing and some frames have been touched up so timereferences drawn can not be trusted. according to many eyewitnesses the presidents car came to a complete stop before the kill which does not show in the film because frames have been cut out.
A "kodak laboratory guy"? Cue laugh track. Roland Zavada, the foremost expert on the 8mm Kodachrome II film used in Zapruder's camera, examined the original film and two of the first generation copies at the behest of the ARRB. He concluded that the original film and the two copies were authentic and unaltered.
Everything you wrote is wrong. All these RUclips video "experts" making up such garbage has clouded the real info. NO technology existed in 1963 that could accomplish the ridiculous fantasies people have come up with. NO film (including the others) shows a complete stop, just the sudden braking you'd expect from the driver's reaction.
Film was in custody, processed and copied way to fast to have been screwed with.
What, exactly, was Plan B if other films turned up that contradict an altered Zapruder film and thus confirm a conspiracy exists?
@@stddisclaimer8020 Not Correct
@@1olddirtroad The only way you can get a conspiracy out of the Kennedy case is if you keep denying the facts (e.g. Roland Zavada's authoritative refutation of Z-film tampering). Denial gets you to Conspiracy-ville alright; but the town is a mirage, a myth.
Where was agent
Paul Landis.?
On the running board of the right side of the follow-up car.
Wrong again Tink at the 24:20 mark, both hargis and martin were on the right side of the jfk car, Jackie's side of the car not the drivers side the opposite side, sure he is right if your looking at the ike altgens photo, but its confusing unless you explain yourself when discussing sides?
313 kennedys head is thrown sideways to Jackie. Hit by a bullet from storm drain. Look 8 feet above JKFs head exploding. You will see the bullet trail (erased on some recent Zapruder versions!). Same on 314 Frame.
That's why even when I am talking about my car to a mechanic I say driver's side or passenger side.
Watch it again. He's referring to the spray velocity showing up on the left side rather than the most likely right side.
He explains the reason that strange shadow effect that caused what happened.
Both officers testified they were on the left (drivers side) at the moment the bullet came from above to the right.
@@heynow01 I agree, just that i have seen what the ARRB say that BJ Martin was the closet police outrider on jackie's side of the car and then hargis, so based on the so called z frames, you can see the inside closets rider move forwards just after the head shot or just before it ,which is bj martin and not officer hargis, so bj martin would have most of the blood and brain tissue on him and he said he did get blood and brain tissue on him and so did hargis?
@@7071t6 hmmm? Then the testimony from Hargis and Martin are both wrong, because they both testified that Hargis was the inside rider and that Hargis pulled his bike to the side of the road after the shooting stopped and parked his bike.
Whatever happened, don't rely on what the civilian witnesses say they did and thought while it was happening. It was over before they even had time to process it.
Yes don't ever rely on those who were actually there. Just believe whatever Authority Figures tell you whether it's crazy, impossible or you know whatever.
@@vernpascal1531 "Yes don't ever rely on those who were actually there."
Indeed, just like many of your own fellow conspiracy believers don't ever rely on those who were actually there, and instead falsely claim that the majority of the Dealey Plaza witnesses said that the shots sounded as if they came from both the TSBD and the grassy knoll, when in fact what the majority really said was that all the shots came only from the TSBD, or only from the knoll, but definitely not from both.
It’s still part of the picture. Knowing how to interpret it correctly is more important than just ignoring information because it’s complex.
@@vernpascal1531 if your case is that eyewitness testimony is super reliable. Then I think you already lost.
Um, the guy closest to the limo with the 5 year old kid, was ex ranger who had fought on D day and Korean war. Does he qualify as a ' civilian ' witness because he said shots came from the knoll??
I hate when people fall so in love with themselves that the message becomes distorted and a vehicle for their own self importance.
This guy is really taken with himself
look at the spray... it's foreward - nothing to do with Camra movement
Good information but poor presentation/ Very difficult to follow narration.
In 1978 the HSCA studied this in finite detail he's wrong about the head movement.
Did they study the blurring during that forward movement in particular?
@@minkowski4d Ofcourse they did go to the trial of Lee Harvey Oswald part 9 Cecil Kirk testimony. Then come back and see what you think.
@@randyharris3175 I read the testimony. Kirk's testimony refers to a mug shot of Oswalds and the famous backyard photo. Not the Zapruder Film. To my knowledge the blurring was never addressed.
@@minkowski4d The blurring was caused by the reaction of the shots on Zapruder tests have been conducted and they all flinched a little bit to the reaction of the shots.
@@randyharris3175 yeah, that's what Thompson also states. In another presentation he lays out pretty well, why that then looks like a forward movement of JFK, which actually is an artefact of Zapruder's shaking. Anyway, the film has so much chain of custody issues that it's not clear, if one can really rely on it as genuine as we see it today.
I’m not sure how the responses/replies/comments work here, but my note here is in regards to an email I received today from JB.
I’ll try to keep it reasonably short while still addressing each segment of the topics you discussed . But, I first must ask to what degree have you researched the entire event, not just 11/22/63? And, what resources did you use to form your opinion? Judging from what you wrote, it seems you rely heavily on the government reports and the evidence presented by the committees formed by the government. Have you delved into data/evidence compiled by any independent non-governmental agencies? Here is why I ask those questions…are you aware LBJ was due to be indicted? Are you aware that Hoover was due for mandatory retirement? Are you aware that Earl Warren originally refused to lead the WC? Are you aware that he was basically blackmailed and forced to head the panel? Are you aware of AG Katzenbach’s letter to Hoover/LBJ? Are you aware that LBJ instructed the DPD to abort the investigation once LHO was arrested? I’m wondering what your answers will be, because you described the WC as “bipartisan”; I strongly disagree, I see it is heavily lopsided. Are you aware that Senator Russel initially refused to sign off on the WCR’s findings? Did you know he wrote his own report? Are you aware that another suspect was arrested and interrogated that day for the murder of JFK? Are you aware of two independent reports refuting the matching of the ammunition? Have you read FBI Weapons Expert Frazier’s initial inspection of the alleged murder weapon? The report he wrote on 11/23/63 less than 24 hours after the shooting? How about Vickie Adams testimony and her background before and after she gave her statement. There is PLENTY more I’d eagerly discuss with you about the WC, but I’m attempting to keep this short.
I know all about the Z-Film. Are you aware of the chain of custody/events of that film? Are you familiar with the NPIC? Know the name Dino Brugioni? Familiar with the display boards that were made Saturday night? How about Sunday night? How about Kodak’s “skunkworks” division (that’s not their real name, but I think you know my sense of humor by now).
Let’s jump to Alvarez. Do you know how he gathered the data for his test? Do you know how his data was analyzed? That he searched for objects that would coincide with his “Jet Theory”? That everything he shot did not show or experience the expected and desired result? So, his theory is in fact correct for the objects that reacted in the direction his theory professed, but that not all of the objects he tested showed the exact same results. I liken that to “knowing the answer before you ask the question”. Was he a brilliant man? Without a doubt. But his tests/results are inconclusive.
I’ll stop here for now. Always looking forward to sparring with an educated opponent; it’s when I get in a mind battle with someone who is unarmed that frustrates me. I’m not the smartest guy out there, but I’ve done some homework and I’m pretty stubborn. Had the government at least provided a hint of defense, or been unbiased in their presentations, I might have a different outlook. And, please understand I’m not defending Oswald the person; I never knew him. I’m defending the fact that the accused was never given a trial, never given any legal counsel, and, is only guilty in a court of public (and I don’t think I’d say popular public) opinion.
A lot of the things you say are not true. LBJ was not going to be indicted all the other stuff has nothing to do with nothing.
Name one thing I said that is untrue. You should do some research on LBJ as you obviously don’t know what you’re talking about. Ever heard of Malcolm Wallace? How about Bobby Baker? If you plan to engage in a mind battle, you should make sure you’re armed.
@@davidsiltman8521 LBJ was not going to be indicted No 1 Bobby Baker had a vendetta against Johnson didn't he get sentenced to jail not credible. Malcolm Wallace was convicted of killing a guy who was seeing his old lady. He was never in the TSBD a fingerprint examiner got duped into comparing two of Wallace prints ofcourse they matched but the unidentified print was a palmprint not a fingerprint. The rest you said was true about Warren and Hoover that doesn't prove nothing Johnson had to get reputable people on board for the investigation of the murder of the President. I must say you seem to be a little over your head arguing this case with me. I rely on facts not what I deem from heresay statements like you do.
@@davidsiltman8521 You're over your head Im fully armed can spot amd call out BS lies supposition and heresay.
Go back to grade school and pay attention in English class this time. I’m not going to waste my time with someone that doesn’t know basic grammar, spelling, and punctuation.
Lost me at 17:50.
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This is so disgusting and vile
Follow the blood spatter.
Tink Thompson has backtracked on his theories, and I respect that.
Originally, he had shots from the Dal-Tex building, the knoll, and he quit being a "paranoid hippie" (his words).
He's still wring, and his books matter I suppose, to him and others. He says something like a steam pipe, which is hot water, what happens to water on a hot steam pipe (it was raining and was wet) . It's just a swamp
Stephen is my dad 👍🏻 👍🏻
I have always had doubts about a grassy knoll shooter. Despite several people in the area nobody actually saw the shooter in the act. There were indeed people on the grassy knoll , Zapruder himself, who thought the shots came from the left from the direction of the Texas School book Depository. There were witnesses who saw a man in on the 4TH floor actually firing a weapon. Badge man, Dog man and other shadowy figures in the Moorman photo, who cannot be seen in the Nix film have been at least to my mind debunked. I feel the people who keep recirculating these conspiracy theories have a vested interest (books, CD's, Tv specials) keeping these myths alive. People running to the grassy knoll is more like a herd mentality to me and proves nothing. Would anybody in their right mind, apart from law enforcement officers, run toward high power rifle gunfire unarmed?
Some this is way off the Mark 🤦🏻♂️
I'm puzzled, accounts, of the First shot sounding like a Firecracker, to me, it would seem to be a smaller caliber bullet, than from a high powered rifle. Then, 2 shots, almost simultaneously (bolt action?) Fullmetal jacket bullets. And the autopsy pictures, noting that the inside of his head was full of small pieces of lead, like stars in the sky. That would, to me that knows nothing about bullets, a unjacketed, or hollow point bullet that fragmented upon striking, definitely not a Fullmetal, to me. So, its Almost like perhaps 3 Different rifles shooting at President Kennedy. Please explain this discrepancy to a 15 year old on that day, about a Fullmetal, not breaking up, like the 3rd shot. A Fullmetal is not supposed to explode like that, as I've heard. So where does this leave us in explaining all 3 bullets??
JFK suffered 6 hits from 5 different directions, details I posted elsewhere on this thread.
If you study the origins of military rules of war going back to Geneva Conventions & related accords you find mandates that specify only full metal jacketed bullets be used in military cartridges. Hollow point / expanding / fragmenting bullets were banned for creating excessive tissue damage. Cruel & unusual punishment if you will. Being hit by a full metal jacket bullet was adequate to take a soldier out of action without causing the excessive damage that would certainly kill him. Typical bullets of this era were 6.5 to 8mm diameter and 150 grains weight give or take. FMJ bullets of this era had thick jacket material & were known to pass through a target and hit another soldier behind, wounding both. A wounded soldier being attended to by others takes them out of action for a time also.
Post WWII efforts to increase the number of rounds that could be carried by an infantryman lead to development of smaller caliber rounds with lighter bullets at much higher velocity that would have equal effect at typical combat ranges. Military ammo for the M16/AR15 was 5.56mm diameter and 55 grains give or take. Casualty studies in Viet Nam found those being hit by the small caliber high velocity rounds often showed much greater tissue damage & lethality than expected. It was found that small high velocity bullets often became unstable and tumbled upon hitting the target. This caused them to rapidly expend more of their energy in the target rather than cleanly passing through. It was found that the thinner copper jackets (FMJ)often ruptured and fragmented even though they were considered to be legally compliant with military standards.
An AR15 is still a high power rifle. Those who defend it sometimes refer to it as a small caliber .22 (.223” / 5.56 mm diameter bullets). But you are correct, there is a different sound. There is plenty of ballistic studies with high speed photography of various bullet types impacting blocks of gelatin.
I hear talk of bullets & fragments ballistically matched to Oswald’s rifle that seem to imply that includes fragments from the fatal head wound. If fragments from that wound are proven to match Oswald’s rifle, and I’m not sure that has happened, it seems we wouldn’t still be debating what happened? That head wound sounds more like the M16/AR15 type casualties they found in Viet Nam.
"Oswald's rifle" as in the Mannicher-Carcano was bought with a money order that was never run through the cashing financial system. No stamps or punched holes or statements of Prior Endorsement Guaranteed. It was just prepped as part of sheep-dipping Oswald and kept in some file cabinet until it was needed for framing "evidence." And the photo of Oswald brandishing his weapons with commie newspapers, Oswald all in black, is just Oswald's head on top of Roscoe White's body, prepped at Jagger-Chiles-Stovall in early 1963 when LHO and Roscoe were working there together.
Oswald was in the break room the whole time JFK was being shot, and not on the sixth floor doing any sniping. He was added as a superficial appendage in Oct. 1963 when Ruth Paine arranged a job for him at the book depository. Which was run by numerous CIA front associates (see article about the book depository in kennedysandking dot com).
JFK was hit by 6 different bullets from at least 5 different sniper positions. Details I posted elsewhere on this thread. Over 30 bullets were fired at JFK in Dealey Plaza, mostly with silencer rifles. Some bullets happened to connect and others did not as a matter of sheer luck for good or for ill. Oswald was a front man, a patsy, and not involved with the shooting itself. So he and likely his rifle are unimportant. What counts is who organized the event and who hired the flunkies who pulled triggers. But as to the latter personnel type the death of JFK wasn't their idea or personal goal.@@Bitterrootbackroads
A puff of smoke. The grassy knoll shooter fired a musket. He must of had a ramrod and gun powder. Somebody was more likely smoking a cigarette. It was the 1960s.
I fear for RFK Jr.'s. safety now....he has been "outing" the CIA for the assassination lately, and I believe he is right. The powers that be will not allow the truth out.
Paranoid rubbish.
@jeffreylouispeikin8365 Has he ever outed them publicly though? He knows the truth.
@@christopherjohnson1803 That's right: Robert Kennedy Jr. announced he's running for President while knowing full well the conspiracy that killed his uncle 60 years ago is alive and well and just waiting to rub him out if he says the wrong word.
They’ll character assassinate him, which they’ve most certainly been doing already
One thing, he'll never be the man his Father was, or his Uncles were, either.
Police Chief Jesse Curry said they had absolutely no witnesses or evidence to put Oswald on the 6th floor with the rifle at the time of the assassination. Chief Curry also said we always thought there was a second shooter from the knoll but they were never able to prove it.
He didn't say that shame on you.
Curry did say there was no evidence to place Oswald on the 6th floor of the TSBD at 12:30 on 11/23/63. He also retracted his “we have our man” statement. Hoover knew and said the evidence they did have was weak and wouldn’t gain a conviction of guilt in a court of law. LBJ agreed. This info is available if you choose to take the time to research and find it.
@@randyharris3175 yes he did it’s on RUclips in a interview with Peter Dale Scott
You can find the rest of the interview on here where he says we couldn’t find anyone who could put him in the window and no evidence to support he did it passed the paraffin test and denied it they couldn’t prove a motive
@@liljimlambert7 I seen that interview its a word game. Do you realize how many times he was asked that question? Remind you what he said during the investigation. We have the man responsible for the death of the President. The overehelming circumstance evidence indeed puts Oswald in that window.
This is all Warren Commission 2.0…….
There is a Reels network documentary concluding that the fatal head shot came from the rear left. The only possibility being it came from the car filled with a secret service detail directly behind Kennedy’s car; and was fired accidentally from the back seat of the driver side. The agent can be seen holding an AK at the time of the shooting
I believe they were carrying 45 cal Thompson automatics and not AKs. I’ve heard persons say the hole in the windshield of the POTUS limo was a hole and not an impact crack and that it is a .45 sized hole further consistent with that hypothesis and not a .310” hole for an AK which is slightly larger than Western (US, NATO) 7.62mm projectiles which are usually around .308” in diameter.
Hickey did not fire from the car, although it is quite a clever theory. Altgens photo shows that Hickey was sitting down.
If Mr. Thompson updated the title of his book to the actual reality of "8.6 Seconds in Dallas," it would throw most of the theories and conclusions in the book out.
Not true. The blood splatter, eye, and ear witnesss dealey plaza, and both Hospitals make clear. Shots from 2 different directions.
Agreed. His initial estimate of six seconds for all three shots is wrong.
Do you realize how many people would have to be wrong for Oswald to have acted alone? Hundreds from all aspects. The arrogance of people to think their opinion is better than those who were there, especially Doctors and Nurses is ridiculous.
@@vernpascal1531 Actual evidence > Anecdotal opinion.
@@michaelbarnhart2593 I'll GO WITH THOSE WHO WERE THERE.
Just silly...
33:32 Fragments 1 and 2 are from the Z313 shot as the right temple exit flap first opens up. This is when there is maximum pressure from the explosive in the dum-dum tip, and the flap has at this instant only a small crack opening at its top to channel the brain debris upward. Neither 1 nor 2 is the Harper Fragment. David Mantik established the Harper Fragment is from the occipital region near the external occipital protuberance. This means the Harper Fragment was blasted backwards and to the left by the diagonal vector forces of the Z342-343 shot. Z313 blew out the right temple. Z343 blew out the right occipitoparietal area with a 4x4 inch gaping hole. The two shots overlapped, by design, from two different sniper directions. The two fragments shown here are probably chunks of brain tissue, but might be other bone fragments or pieces of the right temporal aponeurosis.
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thank god at the 13:52 mark Dr Gary aguilar is right there behind tink to his rh hand side sitting down. go Gary/ :)
Every piece of evidence the HSCA looked at disputes everything he is saying basically.
The HSCA was a joke. They said the entrance wound was square in the Occipital. The X-Rays show no such entrance in the cowlick area. Fact! And no one saw any entrance wound in the Cowlick Fact!. It would have been obvious if the back of the head photos were aithentic,but they obviously aren't as witness after witness describes a blown out mess. First of all if the HSCA were correct it would have blown out JFK's face.
yeah despite that tiny bit of the essential outcome of the HSCA that places the shooter right at the same spot as Thompson does. Just that "little" bit....
@@minkowski4d What ar e you talking about the debunked dictabelt tape? Thompson is wrong today he was wrong on Geraldo just can't admit he's wrong that would hurt his book sales now wouldn't it.
@@randyharris3175 It's not about whether Thompson is right or wrong. It's about your statement that is wrong and misleading:
"Every piece of evidence the HSCA looked at disputes everything he is saying basically."
I just pointed out that the main conclusion of the HSCA matches Thompson's.
So, just try to be 100% correct and fair. I think you can do that 🙂
@@minkowski4d So you agree Thompson is wrong answer the question
Cmon folks this isn’t that hard