Hey Grass rats great comments and discussion on the fuel treatment experiment. Looks like if you use a fuel treatment or just plain 10% ethanol pump fuel the outcome is the same for very long term storage. CLOGGED CARBITRATORS!!! Now Theres Your Dinner! With a side of Jelly.
I LOVS the jelly, just not in my carbatraiter! Hey Taryl, maybe use clear 92 next round, that will make a stronger case against the evil corn gas when the bowl stays clean and jelly/rust free.
Taryl! Please add diy ethanol free fuel to your test. To make: add 15% water to gas, shake up, and then let it settle for a day or so. You then decant the gas off the top, or drain the water/ethanol that has separated and sank to the bottom. This is a lot cheaper than VP, but might yield some interesting results. There are some youtube vids on how to do this - might be cheaper than vp.
do all small engines vent through the cap? if so, might putting a plastic bag under the cap and then screwing it on prevent evaporation. we can patent it! the Daryl-barrier. works as a contraceptive too
been using the gas in cans for a while, no issues but get many comments saying its junk, well this pretty much proves it, thanks gang for takin the time doing this long term test,
@@WJCTechyman I've been doing the same. Using Stabil, but also draining the gas from tank and carb if the machine is going to sit for more than a couple months.
One of my favorite part of Sundays is getting to watch the multi-talented Dactyl family. I quit watching TV back in November of 2008. I could no longer stand the propaganda from the news including the network / cable shows. This channel has more good information and entertainment than ANYTHING on TV today. I really want to thank you all for stepping up to fill a huge void in our entertainment sector in America - with truth and real wholesome comedy without all the BS propaganda. Mr. Dactyl you and Mrs Dactyl have done a super job with those young men you raised. God bless you all!! Your #1 fan Larry Croft
I’m with you. I cut the cord years back because all that media is toxic especially cable TV. This I the best fuel test I know of. It’s fascinating seeing what happened over all this time.
I have a love hate relationship with ethanol gas. I hate the stuff because of what it does to fuel systems, but I love the stuff because of the amount of free mowers, generators and pressure washers ive got because of what it does to the fuels systems.
If you're fixing these things for people, you're the bad guy when they stop running. I've always recommended sta-bil for off season storage. Not any longer!
The best on RUclips by FAR. Because the TV propaganda are paid sponsors for an "unbiased" test. Yeah, unbiased yeah ok. Just like everything else on TV.
The other craigslist definition, "starts than dies". Those are the ones, you know its a simple clogged carb and fuel system and needs a carb clean and will run again fine, those are the best ones to look for. Get them cheap, little effort, good running machine again.
Presentation is too corny for me but I think your testing procedures are the most realistic and practical as I have seen anywhere. Thank you. Pretty cool.
A couple weeks ago my wife showed me a Facebook ad of a guy selling a really nice 46" Ariens 20hp Briggs & Stratton lawn tractor saying, "It runs but lops." $200. I went to see it and it was in very good condition, even the seat was like new. The guy started the engine and sure enough it "loped" or "surged" and he wanted to get rid of it so badly he said, "You can have it for $150". I took it home did a compresson test and both cylinders said 130. I knew I had a winner. Ordered carburetor jet cleaning needles on Amazon $8, and a few days later took off the carb used the jet cleaning needles, put it back on, put fresh 93 octane pure-gas in the tank and my $150 got me a purring $2000 beautiful machine. Better than my new Husqvarna! BUT THERE IS ONE PROBLEM...I feel like I stole it, when I've never stolen anything in my life!
One of the most organized, evidence-based, and practical projects I've ever viewed on YT. Must agree with many comments to include the following parameters for the next run: ETOH free regular only; ETOH free Premium only; then do the 'turn gas off and run engine dry' step with some of the same formulas and compare with 'run & stop'. Finally, I noted that on some units the engine started w/choke out but b/c it was too rich, eng died. Maybe the choke in/out after it starts and before it dies would keep it running until it's warmed up. Have a DR field mower that responds to that method. Great job, guys!!
It's really then going to come down to what company he buys his pump fuel from as they still put additives in the fuel where VP is billed as not having any additives
@@phbob-5547 Makes no difference if it is premium or not, it is often all that's available but that doesn't make it last any longer. I usually use non ethanol, but it's also good to run a tank of 10% through every once in a while, it removes any water buildup in the fuel system. I've noticed that the can I use to store non ethanol in tends to get a few drops of water in the bottom surprisingly fast.
@@voidvincent God damn you are stupid...whatever you think gas prices will be in the future (you are wrong) the additives will be even higher. The VP fuel is already about $25/gallon and yes, I use that for certain things.
I run pump gas through the summer in the fall the last couple tanks of gas i run ethanol free recreational fuel so i know all my equipment will start right up in the spring and its been working out good like that for the last 7 years
Thank you for the awesome content! I don’t use any of those brands but my grandfather used Marvel Mystery Oil for fuel additive, oil additive, and even to soak tight parts. I may have missed a comment in the past but do you have any comments on it? Keep up the good videos 👍
I bought my Troy Built Storm 24” snowblower 3 years ago and I’ve only ran Tru Fuel in it and it starts every time with no spitting and sputtering even when it sat through spring, summer and early fall. The VP fuel was very impressive after 19 months sitting and the float bowl was squeaky clean and the engine ran great. I haven’t pulled the float bowl off my Troy Built yet and I hope it looks like the one that you had the VP fuel run through it. Great video with a lot of helpful info.
So, to me it seems like the best thing to do is either drain all your fuel out at the end of the season or fill up the tank with VP fuel the last time you're going to use it before winter storage. The VP fuel is pretty expensive stuff but if you're only using 1 tank of it a year that doesn't really amount to much.
Three years late to the party but I subscribed because this test settles an issue that has always been dear to my heart: do additives work or not and if so which ones. Thank you for your work.
Taryl, thanks a lot for running these tests. The only additive I've tried was Sta-bil. Just for a little while, then I got smart and started draining the bowl in the Fall. That helped a bunch. Again, your videos are the best. Steve
Ethanol is the biggest killer of fuel systems. Had a brand new tank rot out with 5% ethanol within 8 years of storage. Now we are getting 10% ethanol ! Very interesting results. Thanks Taryl and team.
Right! So if that’s the only issue then I’m curious why HEET or another ethanol (water) remover isn’t mentioned. I just picked up some ethanol treatment from Driven, I’ll try that out this winter. It seems like fuel in its purest form, does in fact last quite some time?
I will say it’s nice to see Ronny being helpful. I think he could evolve to be a helpful person! Loved watching this test over the two years. Keep up the great work and thanks for the consumer advice. Ya saved a lot of folks money.
I’ve had a Honda generator sit for almost ten years with Seafoam in the gas tank. I opened the cap and the fuel still smelled like normal gas. Opened the gas valve and a few pulls later and the engine was running. Had the same experience with a Honda CB500 that sat for five years with Seafoam in the tank. I have no complaints about Seafoam…..
@@notajp That's not the Seafoam, that's the Honda. I suspect better corrosion protection in the carb. Had the same experience with a Honda pump with no additive in gas, only about 5 years, but then I also suspect even 5 years ago the pump gas wasn't as sorry as it is now.
@@TheBandit7613 if you read ASPEN fuels website you will actually see how clean the non ethanol Alkalyte fuel is compared to regular unleaded. I have seen mowers come in using Alkalyte fuels and they have no soot around the exhaust area.
@@bentullett6068 Yeah i love Aspen (for rarely-used / low consumption stuff, it's too expensive for regular use or thirsty engines), but you can't confuse that with the ethanol-mixed fuel you get at the pump. One extreme to the other. The ethanol mixes at the pumps are real evil stuff.
@@mrfish9876 there is only one issue I have found with ASPEN and that is if you have any 2 cycle or as it's know as in the UK 2 stroke machinery. The ASPEN 2 fuel does tend to find faults within the carburetor or fuel system on machinery that have solely run on pump fuel, like diaphragms, fuel lines and tank grommets.
I’ve been running non-ethanol gas with Stabil added to it for most of my adult life and as I get closer and closer to 60 I find that old habits die hard. I believe that your test is 100% accurate but having said that I will still have some Stabil hanging around my shop. It would be nice if any of the additive makers would comment but I don’t expect them to. People comments can get pretty insulting in a hurry on the interscreen.
Have to agree. Been using non-ethanol fuel and Star-Tron in multiple engines that sometimes set idle for two or three years and have not had one carb problem.
been using Avgas...LL100 for the last 5 years...I have used double stabil in it and it has run engines after being stored 2 years....now I am thinking of not using any additive at all......avgas is pricey but it may be worth it. Thanks for doing the experiment Taryl...yer a true scientist.....and a humanitarian for keeping ronnie busy and out of trouble.
VP is the winner. I don’t see a need to start it over , ethanol in the gasoline IS the problem. I still say you need to include BRIGGS & STRATTON brand in the test. 19 months is a long time to expect gasoline to sit unused.
I have a mower and a snowblower. The first start of each season they were difficult to start every single year till i went with NON ethanol gas and now they start within a couple pulls or less. You dont need additives if your using non ethanol from my experience.
And, as recommended by my repair guy, if you run 'em once a month during the off season... start, run 5 min, shut off gas and let 'em run till they die. Of course, he also recommended Premium ETOH free gas too (pump the first 5 gal from the pump into a vehicle before filling the can).
@@cletusspucklerstablejeaniu1059 Sta bil is meant for ethonol and its useless. Just use the non ethanol. Worked for years till the late 70's when they invented ethanol. You really dont need the additive. Try it.
I'd like to see one engine with no additives, but turn the fuel valve off every time after it's running and let it run dry and stall. See if that helps with longevity.
I just got an old toro push mower last week. Had been sitting for years, but the previous owner drained the gas and then ran it until it used up all the gas. I put fresh gas in it and it fired right up.
@@D2O2 The fuel in the tank is still degrading the whole time. Absorbing moisture, separating and gelling. Unless you drain the tank too. Then, no problem. I only use ethanol free (pump) in everything except my daily driver car.
This is why I run to the local airport and get LL110 to run in my old motorcycles and lawn equipment. Taryl - may want to use a LL110 in a future test. Great insight and testing - I've always used Seafoam in pump gas but the gas never sits for more than a few months.👍
Couple of things to add to the next round if you see this, try an engine where you remove the ethanol yourself with the additional water method, and try putting new petrol in with some of that gel to test if it would dissolve it. I have chippers, saws and mowers that get used if lucky once a year. Never drain them and always get them going with a splash of fuel, never thought much of additives even in the redex days! Thanks for sticking with it so long!
Thanks for all the effort y'all put into this experiment. I have been using 91 octane non-ethanol fuel in all my OPE except the zero turn mowers. Zero fuel related problems as a result. If any of my customers ask for a recommendation I say to use StaBil Marine Formula for storage and SeaFoam for clean up. Great results from both. YMMV
Finally had the last piece of evidence to seal the deal: you're smarter than the rest of us: left handed. FWIW, my experience is that fuel additives are a scam. The ONLY practice that works reliably and repeatedly is for engines used regularly (as our cars) just keep fresh fuel, use, and refill. For engines that sit for long periods - the REAL interest of this video - is to use your brain, and when last running it before sitting (maybe that's every time) either shut off the fuel valve while running, or, run it "dry", before putting it away. Still, without this video recording your tremendous effort, we would all be left as a bunch of hens and roosters cawing about "Yes it works" and "No it doesn't" and "You didn't do it right" and . . .
That does make a difference, but it's not a cure all. My Craftsman LT1000 riding mower with its 11hp Briggs, I always shut the fuel valve and ran it till it stopped every time I was done using it. Nevertheless, early this summer It started running crappy, then stalled while mowing, and wouldn't restart. I ended up having to remove and clean the carb, then it was good again. Last time I'd cleaned the carb was two years ago.
Run them dry helps a lot. I tell people run the tanks dry, then pull the air cleaner, and shoot the carb vent with WD-40, or your preferred penetrating oil, and put them away. 100% success. OR just run ethanol free fuel.
Rember back in the 60's and early 70's by spring last falls gas would smell like varnish and any brass parts had a thick green film if the tank and carb weren't drained before putting them up for the winter. I imagine that is what Sta-bil was made to prevent. I've been using ethanol free and my 20 year old mower started first pull this spring on fuel from spring last year. Been using last years gas all summer and the mower starts first pull and runs great.
How about redoing the experiment with the different additives mixed with non-alcohol gasoline. A number of years ago, I went to using 87 octane alcohol free gasoline with the standard Sta-bil treatment and have not had a problem since.
@@peteosinga8845 My viewpoint on this is when you read these directions they’re going to offer you a solution for long-term maintenance or a long-term improvement. Thus when attempting to fix a problem I tend to double up at least on what they say. Possibly this could be harmful long-term but In the short term it’s been effective not only in 4 cycle but 2 cycle as well safely. I’m also going to offer the idea that mystery oil is quite effective in cleaning carburetors but I doubt even it could clean the carburetors we saw them pull apart today. That’s just too far gone and too much junk for anything to be asked to eat through.
I wonder what would happen if you replaced the fuel in those machines with ethanol free, and left it for three months. I think the ethanol free would clean out the mess. I’ve had mowers that I couldn’t start, replace the fuel and waited and it started right up. It’s almost like the ethanol free cleans the carburetors.
Some background...I've been an OPE mechanic for 30 years, and the only thing I've ever seen that actually works is StaBil...used it in my own equipment for the whole time, and it has never failed, even after several years of neglected storage with the fuel system completely evaporated dry. Quick solvent clean, fill with gas/StaBil mix and off it goes! It is truly remarkable stuff.
(Can't get the "edit" to work)...I meant to add that I live in a state where non-ethanol gas is available, and I've avoided ethanol gas for my stuff. So, may be slightly biased?
Hey Taryl, I've got an idea for you're fuel experiment. I use airplane fuel aka "AvGas" in all of my equipment that that I use seasonally. I know the people at a local small airport and they let me buy it. I also use it in my antique tractors and hit miss engine. It's supposed to not have ethanol and it also is leaded which is good for my antique tractors which do not have hardened valve seats. I have never had an issues with long term storage but I never let the fuel stay in any equipment for longer than a year. It would be interesting to see it put to the test in you're fuel experiment. Thanks Taryl. Now there's you're dinner.
On the next test, try the ethanol removal trick on one, where you mix water with the gas, then a day later, siphon off the ethanol laden water out supposedly leaving ethanol free gas.
@@Greg-jo1ft then maybe he could just do it with the higher octane fuel, leaving a lower octane gas for the experiment. would be interesting to see if it works.
Thoughts on Marvel oil? I've put it in my gas cans and small equipment tanks in the fall. Since then I seem to have an easier time starting everything up in the spring. In the past my push mower would gel up in the bowl. Of course I'm not doing an experiment like this.
@@bradboustead1682 I know but Taryl said he was planning on doing another test this fall and winter. Can't hurt to throw another competitor in the ring.
I've been using the ethanol free gas in my equipment from the moment I bought each item. Some are from 2014. I looked in the float bowl of each and no gelling or anything. They all looked brand new.
I live in an area that has non ethanol gas so that's all I put in my machines, I also live in south Carolina so my mowing season is longer so I don't use any of the snake oil but this is very interesting to see this experiment thank you taryl and the crew for doing this to help us out
I've been saying DRAIN YOUR FUEL for 30 plus years! Why spend $5-$10 to treat $1 worth of fuel in the first place. Great Video series! Thanks for taking the time to do this.
Home heating fuel will grow mold in the oil if there is moisture getting into the tank. You will usually find it in the oil pump screen and it looks just like the jelly you see in the float bowls. Just a thought
This was a long and very valuable fuel additive test! Sea Foam is really not sold as a gasoline preservative, but as fuel system cleaner for fuel injectors and carburetors. I wondered if Sea Foam had any gasoline preservative properties or not because I'd add Sta Bill otherwise. There is probably a lot more going on than the gasoline turning to crystals. Taking the crystallization away there is the question of the remaining quality of the gasoline. I'd like to know exactly what those crystals are. They look like a sugar. Sugar is what the microbes turn into ethanol from the corn fermentation process.
@@DeanCharles123 I knew the results before he did the test. If the test were held here, might have lasted 6 months. I'm 30 mins from Death Valley. Heat absolutely kills ethanol tainted fuel. FAST. It turns orange in a couple months and is unusable in 4 to 6 months. I have several off-road machines (that's why I live here. Thousands of square miles of trails and dunes) Even here, pure gas (no ethanol) lasts 2 years just fine. Either from the pump or in a can. Like most things that make no sense, ethanol is 100% political. Lobbyists from corn producing states have forced this on us. It's a HUGE boost to corn states. Think Iowa Caucuses. Wanna win Iowa? If you don't support ethanol, you will not win Iowa. They found out ethanol causes smog. Burning ethanol adds 22 percent more hydrocarbons to the atmosphere than burning pure gasoline. Ethanol MUST go...
I just started my Wood Chipper ( Kohler engine ) after 2 years with sta-bil 360 in it. ran it for an hour no problems. I think I will pull the bowl off and hit it with some carb spray after watching the video. Great Job
So for comparison to 'engineered' fuel like that from VP or Stihl, add non-ethanol fuel from a gas station into the test. Far more people use station non-ethanol than the canned fuel.
All ethanol free fuels have a 2 year + shelf life. VIP is for places that don't have ethanol-free at the pump. Many places is the USA only have ethanol polluted fuel. SO they buy VIP for 20 bucks a gallon. get it?
Taryl Love Your Channel and your vast knowledge on small engines , i have worked on Kohler K- Sires Engines for 20 years , at the end of the summer season , Drain the gas from the tank and the bowel on the carburetor , no Snake Oil needed , in the Spring add fresh gas , Wala the motor runs ! Lets mow grass
But that VP isn't really pump gas without ethanol right? Isn't that synthetic gas? Looking at the ingredients on VP makes me think that it's synthetic. But I'll admit I do not know the specific ingredients in pump gas. I do know that pump gas sucks and even smells differently than when I started using gas in the mid 80's.
Awesome testing! I would love to see how an engine would look if your tart them, then shut the fuel off and let it run out of fuel to see the effect on the carbitraitor.
I've always bought fuel for my small engines in small quantities..... so I USE it and have to get fresh more often. That seems to work just fine for me..
I've been using stabil and non ethanol fuel for several years on all of my power equipment and I've had really good luck and sometimes my fuel sits for months and everything runs great. I also have had good luck with ethanol shield mixed in with the 2 cycle oil I've bought.
Ronnie is back - likely from a stint in the county lockup! VP should have that result for the price of it. So you have a choice of paying a king's ransom to mow the lawn versus the labor and parts to repair at some interval.
Excellent experiment. I have been watching since the beginning. This only confirms why I only get non-ethanol gas from a local air port for all my equipment. Thank you very much for doing this.
Thanks Taryl, I was hoping sta-bil would last cause that’s what I have. But I think I’ll save my money now. I can get no ethanol up the road, it’s about 15 miles from me but worth the drive.
Fantastic testing! I use stabile 360 and 87 octane with 10% ethanol for 8 months out of the year, going thru lots of fresh gas on 3 acres. Then 4 months of late fall/winter where I may only go thru a few gallons of gas total I use no ethonal.
Thanks to Taryl and the crew for all these video's .... A real eye-opener!!! I had a follow up question that maybe you can answer.... Is there 'jello' in the the gas cans as well?
My take on this is the ethanol is not the problem, it's the paraffin in the fuel which causes the waxing over time and plug the carburetors. I believe that VP fuel does not have paraffin in it.
Paraffin doesn't rust your bowl or engine parts. Ethanol collects moisture and that does it. So, it will eventually kill your engine whether paraffin is involved or not. It also hardens the rubber pieces, like those used in small fuel pump diaphrams.
Well I’m not a bit surprised other than the fact that the Stabil one is still running. It was obvious just from the color of the fuel that VP was going to win. In the standard fuel mixtures the ethanol plus whatever additives that particular fuel company uses are not designed for small engines, nor are they designed with long term storage in mind. Today’s fuels are designed to burn clean to reduce emissions and certain additives for GDI engines to clean the valves. Again not designed for small engines, that’s why the VP excelled, it was designed for small engines with long term storage in mind. As far as the test with the engines sitting over winter, we may not see as significant results depending on how far you guys fill up the fuel tanks. If they are not full we will have a lot higher chance for any moisture to bond with the ethanol and then start the rapid gelling or de phasing cycle. Otherwise if full they will likely last a lot longer than previously when the tanks had an air gap. That’s why I always fill up my equipment when I’m Done using it 😃
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Hey Grass rats great comments and discussion on the fuel treatment experiment. Looks like if you use a fuel treatment or just plain 10% ethanol pump fuel the outcome is the same for very long term storage. CLOGGED CARBITRATORS!!! Now Theres Your Dinner! With a side of Jelly.
I LOVS the jelly, just not in my carbatraiter! Hey Taryl, maybe use clear 92 next round, that will make a stronger case against the evil corn gas when the bowl stays clean and jelly/rust free.
Taryl! Please add diy ethanol free fuel to your test. To make: add 15% water to gas, shake up, and then let it settle for a day or so. You then decant the gas off the top, or drain the water/ethanol that has separated and sank to the bottom. This is a lot cheaper than VP, but might yield some interesting results. There are some youtube vids on how to do this - might be cheaper than vp.
Marble mystery oil would have been a good idea
@@backyardprojects8153 would of
do all small engines vent through the cap? if so, might putting a plastic bag under the cap and then screwing it on prevent evaporation. we can patent it! the Daryl-barrier. works as a contraceptive too
been using the gas in cans for a while, no issues but get many comments saying its junk, well this pretty much proves it, thanks gang for takin the time doing this long term test,
Heading over to your channel to check the progress on that Kubota. See you there.
@@WJCTechyman I've been doing the same. Using Stabil, but also draining the gas from tank and carb if the machine is going to sit for more than a couple months.
@@WJCTechyman stabil is Junk
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One of my favorite part of Sundays is getting to watch the multi-talented Dactyl family. I quit watching TV back in November of 2008. I could no longer stand the propaganda from the news including the network / cable shows. This channel has more good information and entertainment than ANYTHING on TV today. I really want to thank you all for stepping up to fill a huge void in our entertainment sector in America - with truth and real wholesome comedy without all the BS propaganda. Mr. Dactyl you and Mrs Dactyl have done a super job with those young men you raised. God bless you all!! Your #1 fan Larry Croft
I’m with you. I cut the cord years back because all that media is toxic especially cable TV. This I the best fuel test I know of. It’s fascinating seeing what happened over all this time.
So true, I watch the news and get pissed off, I watch Taryl and feel smarter and happier
I havent watched TV in Many years either ..I watch RUclips everyday .
@@NorthlanderMN Yes sir
@@steved.5628 Excellent point Steve
I have a love hate relationship with ethanol gas. I hate the stuff because of what it does to fuel systems, but I love the stuff because of the amount of free mowers, generators and pressure washers ive got because of what it does to the fuels systems.
I have said that same phrase many times to people I sell my mowers to. Ethanol gas is my best friend
HAHAHAHHAHAHA !
If you're fixing these things for people, you're the bad guy when they stop running. I've always recommended sta-bil for off season storage. Not any longer!
That hilarious!! Especially when you can buy a new carb off ebay for $10 delivered. Done!! Haha
@@larryfine4498 Why? Sta-bil ran like a champ here.
This has got to be the best fuel treatment experiment going! Nice job Taryl 👍
The best on RUclips by FAR. Because the TV propaganda are paid sponsors for an "unbiased" test. Yeah, unbiased yeah ok. Just like everything else on TV.
Just wondering how you got engines to start without the blades on them
Just wondering how you got engines to start without the blades on them
@@gerrymadden4170 The blade is a weight on a mower. on an engine used for say a pressure washer, the flywheel is weighted to equal the blade weight.
By Craigslist definition, "only runs on choke" means: starts every time, runs great, bought a new mower and just don't use this one anymore.
Yeap!!
Yeah, and if you buy their motor the valves are fried. from them running for years on choke (red hot valves)!
@@scottjohnson4910 Or the exhaust valve seat fell out of the head due to overheating.
LOL!!! Man you got that right
The other craigslist definition, "starts than dies". Those are the ones, you know its a simple clogged carb and fuel system and needs a carb clean and will run again fine, those are the best ones to look for. Get them cheap, little effort, good running machine again.
Presentation is too corny for me but I think your testing procedures are the most realistic and practical as I have seen anywhere. Thank you. Pretty cool.
A couple weeks ago my wife showed me a Facebook ad of a guy selling a really nice 46" Ariens 20hp Briggs & Stratton lawn tractor saying, "It runs but lops." $200. I went to see it and it was in very good condition, even the seat was like new. The guy started the engine and sure enough it "loped" or "surged" and he wanted to get rid of it so badly he said, "You can have it for $150". I took it home did a compresson test and both cylinders said 130. I knew I had a winner. Ordered carburetor jet cleaning needles on Amazon $8, and a few days later took off the carb used the jet cleaning needles, put it back on, put fresh 93 octane pure-gas in the tank and my $150 got me a purring $2000 beautiful machine. Better than my new Husqvarna! BUT THERE IS ONE PROBLEM...I feel like I stole it, when I've never stolen anything in my life!
With the price of lumber the engine stand is worth more than the engines.
That'a exactly what I was thinking.
That’s why we bought a sawmill, it got a 18 horse Briggs Vanguard
Thanks Biden
@@midnightrunner684 Yup
@@midnightrunner684 What the hell are you talking about? Comments like these just prove folks ignorance.
One of the most organized, evidence-based, and practical projects I've ever viewed on YT. Must agree with many comments to include the following parameters for the next run:
ETOH free regular only; ETOH free Premium only; then do the 'turn gas off and run engine dry' step with some of the same formulas and compare with 'run & stop'. Finally, I noted that on some units the engine started w/choke out but b/c it was too rich, eng died. Maybe the choke in/out after it starts and before it dies would keep it running until it's warmed up. Have a DR field mower that responds to that method. Great job, guys!!
This was right up there with "Project Farm" type of real testing. Thank You Taryl. So very, very useful and helpful.
Get non ethanol pump gas for the next test and see it its as good as VP
It's really then going to come down to what company he buys his pump fuel from as they still put additives in the fuel where VP is billed as not having any additives
@@sqike001ton
At least we would see if it is truly the ethanol or the additives causing the trouble
I was thinking that as well with the non ethanol pump gas.
@@sqike001ton Yeah and the price reflects it
I’ve had really good results with E0 pump gas. The problem is making sure it actually is E0.
From what i see, the NON ethanol is the best for small engines. You dont need additives.
Non-ethanol PREMIUM with no additives...even better (since the only non etoh here is premium)
@@phbob-5547 Makes no difference if it is premium or not, it is often all that's available but that doesn't make it last any longer. I usually use non ethanol, but it's also good to run a tank of 10% through every once in a while, it removes any water buildup in the fuel system. I've noticed that the can I use to store non ethanol in tends to get a few drops of water in the bottom surprisingly fast.
100 percent gas will be 15 dollars a gallon in 5 years. You going to spend that or use additives?
@@voidvincent God damn you are stupid...whatever you think gas prices will be in the future (you are wrong) the additives will be even higher. The VP fuel is already about $25/gallon and yes, I use that for certain things.
I run pump gas through the summer in the fall the last couple tanks of gas i run ethanol free recreational fuel so i know all my equipment will start right up in the spring and its been working out good like that for the last 7 years
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snake oil is Right !!!!!
Thank you for the awesome content! I don’t use any of those brands but my grandfather used Marvel Mystery Oil for fuel additive, oil additive, and even to soak tight parts. I may have missed a comment in the past but do you have any comments on it? Keep up the good videos 👍
I bought my Troy Built Storm 24” snowblower 3 years ago and I’ve only ran Tru Fuel in it and it starts every time with no spitting and sputtering even when it sat through spring, summer and early fall. The VP fuel was very impressive after 19 months sitting and the float bowl was squeaky clean and the engine ran great. I haven’t pulled the float bowl off my Troy Built yet and I hope it looks like the one that you had the VP fuel run through it. Great video with a lot of helpful info.
So, to me it seems like the best thing to do is either drain all your fuel out at the end of the season or fill up the tank with VP fuel the last time you're going to use it before winter storage. The VP fuel is pretty expensive stuff but if you're only using 1 tank of it a year that doesn't really amount to much.
Or you can just clean the carb! no big deal.
Three years late to the party but I subscribed because this test settles an issue that has always been dear to my heart: do additives work or not and if so which ones. Thank you for your work.
Taryl, thanks a lot for running these tests. The only additive I've tried was Sta-bil. Just for a little while, then I got smart and started draining the bowl in the Fall. That helped a bunch. Again, your videos are the best.
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I believe court documents state that Ronnie didn’t only “Need” his vacation, but that he deserved it.
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Ethanol is the biggest killer of fuel systems. Had a brand new tank rot out with 5% ethanol within 8 years of storage. Now we are getting 10% ethanol !
Very interesting results. Thanks Taryl and team.
Right! So if that’s the only issue then I’m curious why HEET or another ethanol (water) remover isn’t mentioned.
I just picked up some ethanol treatment from Driven, I’ll try that out this winter.
It seems like fuel in its purest form, does in fact last quite some time?
@@Cravz69 Pure pertol without ethernol will degrade but not become hydroponic. It temds to go stale and have a sweet smell after a few years.
@@Cravz69 all these additives are supposed to. That's what their for. I store my bikes in a dry environment so have no problem.
@@SoddingaboutSi
I never let any of my fuel go more than six months, so I guess I should be in good shape either way.
@@Cravz69 yes. I would say so.
Thanks for testing these. Everyone was curious which would die over the long time period. Good work
I will say it’s nice to see Ronny being helpful. I think he could evolve to be a helpful person! Loved watching this test over the two years. Keep up the great work and thanks for the consumer advice. Ya saved a lot of folks money.
So pretty much K100 and stabil 360 made it to the 19 month mark. Outstanding. I think either of those is perfect for the mower/tractor Apocalypse.
Taryl I am honestly glad you've done this experiment. Proved what I was already thinking.
Ronald- "Seafoam! You were the chosen one!" "You were supposed to destroy the dark side! Not join it!"
I have the high ground seafoam!
seafoam is a joke big time
I’ve had a Honda generator sit for almost ten years with Seafoam in the gas tank. I opened the cap and the fuel still smelled like normal gas. Opened the gas valve and a few pulls later and the engine was running. Had the same experience with a Honda CB500 that sat for five years with Seafoam in the tank. I have no complaints about Seafoam…..
@@notajp That's not the Seafoam, that's the Honda. I suspect better corrosion protection in the carb. Had the same experience with a Honda pump with no additive in gas, only about 5 years, but then I also suspect even 5 years ago the pump gas wasn't as sorry as it is now.
@fatillacing4131 nope it's the seafoam genius
In short: Ethanol mixed fuel SUCKS. So nice for the environment that it forces ppl to buy new engines or fix them up..
the best is some of the non ethanol fuels create less emissions than the ethanol pump fuel
@@bentullett6068 Here in Vegas, they discovered ethanol tainted fuel causes smog and they want the EPA to stop requiring ethanol.
@@TheBandit7613 if you read ASPEN fuels website you will actually see how clean the non ethanol Alkalyte fuel is compared to regular unleaded. I have seen mowers come in using Alkalyte fuels and they have no soot around the exhaust area.
@@bentullett6068 Yeah i love Aspen (for rarely-used / low consumption stuff, it's too expensive for regular use or thirsty engines), but you can't confuse that with the ethanol-mixed fuel you get at the pump. One extreme to the other. The ethanol mixes at the pumps are real evil stuff.
@@mrfish9876 there is only one issue I have found with ASPEN and that is if you have any 2 cycle or as it's know as in the UK 2 stroke machinery. The ASPEN 2 fuel does tend to find faults within the carburetor or fuel system on machinery that have solely run on pump fuel, like diaphragms, fuel lines and tank grommets.
I’ve been running non-ethanol gas with Stabil added to it for most of my adult life and as I get closer and closer to 60 I find that old habits die hard. I believe that your test is 100% accurate but having said that I will still have some Stabil hanging around my shop.
It would be nice if any of the additive makers would comment but I don’t expect them to. People comments can get pretty insulting in a hurry on the interscreen.
Have to agree. Been using non-ethanol fuel and Star-Tron in multiple engines that sometimes set idle for two or three years and have not had one carb problem.
Great job, Taryl. Appreciate you taking the time to do the testing. Ronnie on a "work release" program?
been using Avgas...LL100 for the last 5 years...I have used double stabil in it and it has run engines after being stored 2 years....now I am thinking of not using any additive at all......avgas is pricey but it may be worth it.
Thanks for doing the experiment Taryl...yer a true scientist.....and a humanitarian for keeping ronnie busy and out of trouble.
This has been an excellent test. I’m amazed those still run normal after setting so long. I’d expect nothing but nasty green crud in the bowls.
VP is the winner.
I don’t see a need to start it over , ethanol in the gasoline IS the problem.
I still say you need to include BRIGGS & STRATTON brand in the test.
19 months is a long time to expect gasoline to sit unused.
I have a mower and a snowblower. The first start of each season they were difficult to start every single year till i went with NON ethanol gas and now they start within a couple pulls or less. You dont need additives if your using non ethanol from my experience.
These additives were mostly sold as ethanol stabilizors, that's the point of test and the fact that non ethanol fuel just isn't a choice in most 0
And, as recommended by my repair guy, if you run 'em once a month during the off season... start, run 5 min, shut off gas and let 'em run till they die. Of course, he also recommended Premium ETOH free gas too (pump the first 5 gal from the pump into a vehicle before filling the can).
I run NON ethanol gas with Sta bil for the past 4 years, haven't had a problem in the past 4 years.
@@cletusspucklerstablejeaniu1059 I've been urinating in my neighbours fuel tank for 30 years, he still doesn't have a problem
@@cletusspucklerstablejeaniu1059 Sta bil is meant for ethonol and its useless. Just use the non ethanol. Worked for years till the late 70's when they invented ethanol. You really dont need the additive. Try it.
The Night Gallery music is always a nice touch , it is haunting to feel that ghost have entered your tank then possessed your motor .
To be fair to seafoam it is good at cleaning carbon and other parts such as injectors. Great test. Thanks for the video
I'd like to see one engine with no additives, but turn the fuel valve off every time after it's running and let it run dry and stall. See if that helps with longevity.
I just got an old toro push mower last week. Had been sitting for years, but the previous owner drained the gas and then ran it until it used up all the gas. I put fresh gas in it and it fired right up.
I second that.
@@barackobama5304 VIP has no additives. It's ethanol free. 2 year + shelf life. Ethanol sucks.
This is how I store my equipment if not going to be used for a few months...dry bowls.
@@D2O2 The fuel in the tank is still degrading the whole time. Absorbing moisture, separating and gelling.
Unless you drain the tank too. Then, no problem. I only use ethanol free (pump) in everything except my daily driver car.
This is why I run to the local airport and get LL110 to run in my old motorcycles and lawn equipment. Taryl - may want to use a LL110 in a future test.
Great insight and testing - I've always used Seafoam in pump gas but the gas never sits for more than a few months.👍
Couple of things to add to the next round if you see this, try an engine where you remove the ethanol yourself with the additional water method, and try putting new petrol in with some of that gel to test if it would dissolve it. I have chippers, saws and mowers that get used if lucky once a year. Never drain them and always get them going with a splash of fuel, never thought much of additives even in the redex days! Thanks for sticking with it so long!
Great experiment guys, thanks for putting all the time and effort into it! It was Awesome!
Ronnie got me with his off-camera comment "Just keep pulling till it starts.... 6 hour video" LOL
I miss Ronnie!...we was serving time..😄
Stealing Copper
Thanks for all the effort y'all put into this experiment. I have been using 91 octane
non-ethanol fuel in all my OPE except the zero turn mowers. Zero fuel related problems as a result. If any of my customers ask for a recommendation I say to use StaBil Marine Formula for storage and SeaFoam for clean up. Great results from both. YMMV
Finally had the last piece of evidence to seal the deal: you're smarter than the rest of us: left handed. FWIW, my experience is that fuel additives are a scam. The ONLY practice that works reliably and repeatedly is for engines used regularly (as our cars) just keep fresh fuel, use, and refill. For engines that sit for long periods - the REAL interest of this video - is to use your brain, and when last running it before sitting (maybe that's every time) either shut off the fuel valve while running, or, run it "dry", before putting it away. Still, without this video recording your tremendous effort, we would all be left as a bunch of hens and roosters cawing about "Yes it works" and "No it doesn't" and "You didn't do it right" and . . .
Thats why you have to shut the fuel and let it run till it stops.
That does make a difference, but it's not a cure all. My Craftsman LT1000 riding mower with its 11hp Briggs, I always shut the fuel valve and ran it till it stopped every time I was done using it. Nevertheless, early this summer It started running crappy, then stalled while mowing, and wouldn't restart.
I ended up having to remove and clean the carb, then it was good again. Last time I'd cleaned the carb was two years ago.
That does not always work. Residue is left.
@@dkeith45 Shutting the valve off still doesn't get all of the gas out of the bowl, most of it, yes, but not all.
Shutting the valve off still doesn't get all of the gas out of the bowl, most of it, yes, but not all.
Run them dry helps a lot. I tell people run the tanks dry, then pull the air cleaner, and shoot the carb vent with WD-40, or your preferred penetrating oil, and put them away. 100% success. OR just run ethanol free fuel.
Rember back in the 60's and early 70's by spring last falls gas would smell like varnish and any brass parts had a thick green film if the tank and carb weren't drained before putting them up for the winter. I imagine that is what Sta-bil was made to prevent. I've been using ethanol free and my 20 year old mower started first pull this spring on fuel from spring last year. Been using last years gas all summer and the mower starts first pull and runs great.
Ronnie's back from jail... I mean vacation, welcomes back, we missed ya!
How about redoing the experiment with the different additives mixed with non-alcohol gasoline. A number of years ago, I went to using 87 octane alcohol free gasoline with the standard Sta-bil treatment and have not had a problem since.
As soon as non ethanol became available at the pump I started using it. Never a carb issue since.
All my issues stopped when I installed fuel valves.
Me too.. 10 years now, no carb work on anything I own.
That’s pretty much me. ATV’s and lawn mower run non-eth, put up with fuel off and carb run dry.
if that stuff wasnt so expensive, id quit using 87 in my small engines and get ethanol free fuel. but that stuff is like $4.25 a gallon here.
@@superunknown8645 install fuel valves. Run the carbs dry before storing and u won't have issues.
Good demo. I don't believe in any of the products as a cure for crappy ethanol.
I would have liked to see how mystery oil would’ve done on these tests. Not just as a preventer but also as a mechanic in a bottle.
I agree, I've fixed a few poor running carbs just by adding MMO to the tank.
How much do you add?
@@peteosinga8845 depends on the size of the gas tank. A mower probably about an ounce or a little more. Weed whacker about half an ounce.
@@peteosinga8845 My viewpoint on this is when you read these directions they’re going to offer you a solution for long-term maintenance or a long-term improvement. Thus when attempting to fix a problem I tend to double up at least on what they say. Possibly this could be harmful long-term but In the short term it’s been effective not only in 4 cycle but 2 cycle as well safely. I’m also going to offer the idea that mystery oil is quite effective in cleaning carburetors but I doubt even it could clean the carburetors we saw them pull apart today. That’s just too far gone and too much junk for anything to be asked to eat through.
Taryl needs a Mustie1 coffee mug for draining the bowls.
He's got the Mustie Mullet ... ? ... or does Mustie have the Taryl Mullet?
To clean that gel in the carb can you use gumout carb spray?
I wonder what would happen if you replaced the fuel in those machines with ethanol free, and left it for three months. I think the ethanol free would clean out the mess. I’ve had mowers that I couldn’t start, replace the fuel and waited and it started right up. It’s almost like the ethanol free cleans the carburetors.
That’s not gonna remove the rust at the bottom of the bowls.
@@terryskinner9466 The rust won’t stop it from running. It’s the globulars of jelly.
@@FaithwalkerTodd until a few chunks of that rust gets into the jets
No. The ethanol free will not repair the damage.
How about Sta-bil Fast Fix? That seems like some great stuff. I wonder if it would clean out the jelly.
Some background...I've been an OPE mechanic for 30 years, and the only thing I've ever seen that actually works is StaBil...used it in my own equipment for the whole time, and it has never failed, even after several years of neglected storage with the fuel system completely evaporated dry. Quick solvent clean, fill with gas/StaBil mix and off it goes! It is truly remarkable stuff.
(Can't get the "edit" to work)...I meant to add that I live in a state where non-ethanol gas is available, and I've avoided ethanol gas for my stuff. So, may be slightly biased?
Hey Taryl, I've got an idea for you're fuel experiment. I use airplane fuel aka "AvGas" in all of my equipment that that I use seasonally. I know the people at a local small airport and they let me buy it. I also use it in my antique tractors and hit miss engine. It's supposed to not have ethanol and it also is leaded which is good for my antique tractors which do not have hardened valve seats. I have never had an issues with long term storage but I never let the fuel stay in any equipment for longer than a year. It would be interesting to see it put to the test in you're fuel experiment. Thanks Taryl. Now there's you're dinner.
How do you know?
‘Cause I just showed yah.
Brilliant!
On the next test, try the ethanol removal trick on one, where you mix water with the gas, then a day later, siphon off the ethanol laden water out supposedly leaving ethanol free gas.
It works, but you lose octane points. Youll need to add an octane booster to your "filtered" fuel.
@@Greg-jo1ft then maybe he could just do it with the higher octane fuel, leaving a lower octane gas for the experiment. would be interesting to see if it works.
Dam dude this was the best test on the planet. I know it took some work to set all that up. Thanks man,great info
Thoughts on Marvel oil? I've put it in my gas cans and small equipment tanks in the fall. Since then I seem to have an easier time starting everything up in the spring. In the past my push mower would gel up in the bowl. Of course I'm not doing an experiment like this.
I believe these are at 19 months.
@@bradboustead1682 I know but Taryl said he was planning on doing another test this fall and winter. Can't hurt to throw another competitor in the ring.
Incredible video! BEST of the BEST! Thank You!
I've been using the ethanol free gas in my equipment from the moment I bought each item. Some are from 2014. I looked in the float bowl of each and no gelling or anything. They all looked brand new.
I live in an area that has non ethanol gas so that's all I put in my machines, I also live in south Carolina so my mowing season is longer so I don't use any of the snake oil but this is very interesting to see this experiment thank you taryl and the crew for doing this to help us out
I've been saying DRAIN YOUR FUEL for 30 plus years! Why spend $5-$10 to treat $1 worth of fuel in the first place. Great Video series! Thanks for taking the time to do this.
Because draining it is just as bad. Everything dries up, cracks, develops calcification.... Small engine guy
Home heating fuel will grow mold in the oil if there is moisture getting into the tank. You will usually find it in the oil pump screen and it looks just like the jelly you see in the float bowls. Just a thought
I'd love to see pictures of the corrosion on the carb after cleaning to see if pitting is worse between different carbs
Thank you
Taryl-- You should do a motor where you run the bowl out of fuel to see if the engine starts. To show if it is better than the treatments.
This was a long and very valuable fuel additive test! Sea Foam is really not sold as a gasoline preservative, but as fuel system cleaner for fuel injectors and carburetors. I wondered if Sea Foam had any gasoline preservative properties or not because I'd add Sta Bill otherwise. There is probably a lot more going on than the gasoline turning to crystals. Taking the crystallization away there is the question of the remaining quality of the gasoline. I'd like to know exactly what those crystals are. They look like a sugar. Sugar is what the microbes turn into ethanol from the corn fermentation process.
When I store mine I turn off the gas and run them till they are out of gas in the bowl. Mine starts in the spring every year!!!
Me too , simple solution
Finally a side by side unbiased experiment thanks for your diligence tayrl
Yes, run an engine or two in future tests without ethanol.
VIP IS ethanol free. That's the whole point of VIP, no ethanol. As you see, additives don't do squat.
Perfect!!!! I had hoped that was the case, but didn't know for sure! Thank you for clearing that up for me, I really appreciate it!!!!
@@DeanCharles123 I knew the results before he did the test.
If the test were held here, might have lasted 6 months. I'm 30 mins from Death Valley. Heat absolutely kills ethanol tainted fuel. FAST. It turns orange in a couple months and is unusable in 4 to 6 months. I have several off-road machines (that's why I live here. Thousands of square miles of trails and dunes)
Even here, pure gas (no ethanol) lasts 2 years just fine. Either from the pump or in a can.
Like most things that make no sense, ethanol is 100% political. Lobbyists from corn producing states have forced this on us. It's a HUGE boost to corn states. Think Iowa Caucuses. Wanna win Iowa? If you don't support ethanol, you will not win Iowa.
They found out ethanol causes smog.
Burning ethanol adds 22 percent more hydrocarbons to the atmosphere than burning pure gasoline.
Ethanol MUST go...
I just started my Wood Chipper ( Kohler engine ) after 2 years with sta-bil 360 in it. ran it for an hour no problems. I think I will pull the bowl off and hit it with some carb spray after watching the video. Great Job
So for comparison to 'engineered' fuel like that from VP or Stihl, add non-ethanol fuel from a gas station into the test. Far more people use station non-ethanol than the canned fuel.
Yeah but its going to take 4 or 5 years before the test concludes a winner there
All ethanol free fuels have a 2 year + shelf life. VIP is for places that don't have ethanol-free at the pump. Many places is the USA only have ethanol polluted fuel. SO they buy VIP for 20 bucks a gallon.
get it?
@@TheBandit7613 Who's bright idea was this?
Taryl Love Your Channel and your vast knowledge on small engines , i have worked on Kohler K- Sires Engines for 20 years , at the end of the summer season , Drain the gas from the tank and the bowel on the carburetor , no Snake Oil needed , in the Spring add fresh gas , Wala the motor runs ! Lets mow grass
But that VP isn't really pump gas without ethanol right? Isn't that synthetic gas? Looking at the ingredients on VP makes me think that it's synthetic. But I'll admit I do not know the specific ingredients in pump gas. I do know that pump gas sucks and even smells differently than when I started using gas in the mid 80's.
Awesome testing! I would love to see how an engine would look if your tart them, then shut the fuel off and let it run out of fuel to see the effect on the carbitraitor.
I've always bought fuel for my small engines in small quantities..... so I USE it and have to get fresh more often. That seems to work just fine for me..
I've been using stabil and non ethanol fuel for several years on all of my power equipment and I've had really good luck and sometimes my fuel sits for months and everything runs great. I also have had good luck with ethanol shield mixed in with the 2 cycle oil I've bought.
The ethanol in the carb bowls are turning back into corn.
Your the best around. Thanks for your efforts.
Goes to show you that Real deal non ethanol fuels are what you want in all your small engine powered equipment in these times
Brilliant video thank you 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
I agree k100 should have been left out when it failed the first time.
But it came back into the game to prove that it was worthy enough to stay in the game
Unfortunately he kowtowed to K100’s unsponsored sponsor, after the K100 fanboi threw a hissy fit when K100 fell on it’s face so early on.
LOL, I like when you use the Brian Stelter voice. "How do we know they just didn't run out of gas?" :D
Ronnie is back - likely from a stint in the county lockup! VP should have that result for the price of it. So you have a choice of paying a king's ransom to mow the lawn versus the labor and parts to repair at some interval.
Excellent experiment. I have been watching since the beginning. This only confirms why I only get non-ethanol gas from a local air port for all my equipment. Thank you very much for doing this.
Thanks Taryl, I was hoping sta-bil would last cause that’s what I have. But I think I’ll save my money now.
I can get no ethanol up the road, it’s about 15 miles from me but worth the drive.
Thank you so very much!!!!!! Info. I can def. use!!
Some one should sue the chit out of the fuel company's for ruining our outdoor equipment
The fuel companies? How about the stupid politicians that force the fuel companies to add ethanol?
@@ozarkarky lol Good luck getting any $$$ out of those a$$ holes
Ronnie rules. His appearances just take videos to a whole nother level.
In other words, better just keep fresh fuel in tank and make sure it dosent stay there too long.
No. Stop using ethanol polluted fuel.
The only reason ethanol is in our gas is for a few corn producing states. It's a TAX. Iowa Caucuses. Get it?
@@TheBandit7613 We have small engine fuel here in Finland, it's ethanol free. Pretty expensive it is, but it wont harm the engine.
Fantastic testing! I use stabile 360 and 87 octane with 10% ethanol for 8 months out of the year, going thru lots of fresh gas on 3 acres. Then 4 months of late fall/winter where I may only go thru a few gallons of gas total I use no ethonal.
Please include an engine with NON - Ethanol pump gas in the new test.
That's basically what the VP is. I think they can't get non-ethanol gas at stations in their area.
Thanks to Taryl and the crew for all these video's .... A real eye-opener!!! I had a follow up question that maybe you can answer.... Is there 'jello' in the the gas cans as well?
Well, the glass jars seem to be free of jello, so there's that
My take on this is the ethanol is not the problem, it's the paraffin in the fuel which causes the waxing over time and plug the carburetors. I believe that VP fuel does not have paraffin in it.
Paraffin doesn't rust your bowl or engine parts. Ethanol collects moisture and that does it. So, it will eventually kill your engine whether paraffin is involved or not. It also hardens the rubber pieces, like those used in small fuel pump diaphrams.
Does carb cleaner get rid of that gell.
Sheer luck that stabil still runs, seems ethanol is going to do that no matter what you do
Correct
All additives are snake oil. The Sta-bil just got lucky and didn't block the jet yet.
Thanks for the test, it will stop all the argument at the coffee shop over which products is the best
Well I’m not a bit surprised other than the fact that the Stabil one is still running. It was obvious just from the color of the fuel that VP was going to win. In the standard fuel mixtures the ethanol plus whatever additives that particular fuel company uses are not designed for small engines, nor are they designed with long term storage in mind. Today’s fuels are designed to burn clean to reduce emissions and certain additives for GDI engines to clean the valves. Again not designed for small engines, that’s why the VP excelled, it was designed for small engines with long term storage in mind. As far as the test with the engines sitting over winter, we may not see as significant results depending on how far you guys fill up the fuel tanks. If they are not full we will have a lot higher chance for any moisture to bond with the ethanol and then start the rapid gelling or de phasing cycle. Otherwise if full they will likely last a lot longer than previously when the tanks had an air gap. That’s why I always fill up my equipment when I’m Done using it 😃
Would like to see a 19 month test on both 10% ethanol and then a ethanol free gas using the PRI-G additive