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How GOOD were Electabuzz & Electivire ACTUALLY? - History of Competitive Electabuzz & Electivire
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- Опубликовано: 17 авг 2024
- Electabuzz & Electivire! The electric pokemon! Electabuzz and Electivire have high voltage and motor drive but can they shock competitive battling? Join False Swipe Gaming in this brief overview of Electabuzz and Electivire in competitive Pokemon!
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0:00 - Intro
0:52 - RBY/Gen 1
1:48 - GSC/Gen 2
3:20 - ADV/Gen 3
4:47 - DPP/Gen 4
7:38 - BW/Gen 5
8:39 - XY/Gen 6
9:26 - SM/Gen 7
9:56 - VGC Gen 7
10:57 - Outro
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Notice I said POPULAR formats, meaning a format where there is a significant amount of people who compete in it for tournaments and so on and so forth. Now Popular does not mean official even though two of the formats I will be covering were official formats being Japan Nintendo Cup and VGC, but it is an indicator of what a good portion of competitive players thought was “optimal” at the time. Also sometimes the Pokemon Battle Historia doesn't provide enough information to talk about certain Pokemon so I add Smogon analysis to make sense of it. This is pretty rare though.
To the people asking why I don't cover Smogon Singles for Gens 1 and 2: It wouldn't really be a history video if I covered those because online Smogon gen 1 meta to my knowledge wasn't actually played until late 2000s. I wanted to cover tournaments/competitive battling that was actually played during the early years of Pokemon (late 90s).
To the people asking why I cover Smogon at all for singles: To my knowledge, Smogon was the most popular format for Gens 3-5 and held a number of tournaments throughout the years. As for Gen 6, I am not covering Battle Spot Singles because there is more information and explanations about sets being used relative to their own meta on Smogon. In other words, there are few written analyses about Battle Spot Pokemon besides the Top tiers and I would like to avoid theorycrafting because it may have a hint of bias (though I theorycraft if I REALLY couldn't find information on a certain Pokemon). The keyword here is explanations. Though I did find statistics of most Pokemon used and most moves used, there wasn't really any explanations on why. Also the few Pokemon I did find analysis of for Top Tier Battle Spot Singles had very similar move sets to the Smogon OU sets anyway.
For the record, I do not care what rules or formats people play their battles by nor am I saying these formats are the only formats that should be played. The way you play Pokemon is between you and your opponent and I will not fault you for using evasion or whatever, I just like examining popular tournament formats.
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Whoops! There actually is one VGC placement for Electivire. Jon Hu placed 5th in the Collinsville Regionals with it. His team also had Pikachu! Major Apologies!
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Radical.
Thanks for sharing with the class.
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Electivire is a goron
Never see you make this kind of mistake, and everyone makes them! Thank you for doing such a good job on this and all your other videos
Electivire found a place in Pokemon Go of all things, where it's currently one of the best Electric attackers.
Crazy isn't it?
Wait do people still play that game?
How does pokemon stats work in pokemon go🤔
@@starboiklem8381 They transform DEF SDEF in Defense, ATK SATK SPD in Attack and HP in a different HP.
Ante Babic it almost has half a billion downloads
I was waiting for this for some time. Electivire is a shining example of a Pokemon that looks so good on paper but ends up performing miserably. Its stats look good, its movepool looks fantastic, it has a cool ability, but in the end, it fails to do the one thing it should be doing well: Killing things. Electivire will forever be remembered as the pokemon that taught us that "It's super effective" does not always mean you will get a 1HKO.
I think this also shows that unless a pokemon is a ridiculously good generalist, it will always lose out to specialists.
Increase Electivire's speed and give it better electric physical STAB and you will help it out quite tremendously
Iron Fist ability, Drain Punch and Superpower (if not Close Combat) would help too
If they gave it a fighting typing as well as the moves volt tackle, close combat and mach punch, it would be so much more viable. And it seriously bothers me how gamefreak never considered making the electabuzz line electric/fighting when they based it on both onis (ogre like creatures with immense physical Strength in japanese mythology) and raijins (shintoist divinities that can summon Lightning), gave it mixed attacking stats (well, mostly electabuzz) AND gave it a bunch of fighting type moves. I swear, it's almost like they're trolling us by making all these pure types pokemon who SHOULD be dual typed but aren't because shut up (special mention goes to Luxray).
@@mrtable2861 Super Strength =/= Fighting type
I remember when Diamond and Pearl came out, everyone and their grandma were running Gyarados and Electivire lmao
Gotta love the new toy syndrome. I'd have just stuck with Jolteon if I wanted to muck around with the Gyaravire duo.
Electrivire is very useful it has enough electricity to power a large city for a year lol
My grandma literally ran that team when she was still alive
@@powerfulberry237 sorry but I laughed at your comment 😂
I really hope Electivire gets a big break someday, because this is just flat out depressing.
Play ZU
Maybe mega elective will make us rue the day in gen 9
Still bad in ZU currently aswell :(
Legit give it Fighting type, a stronger stab, and maybe a new ability like ironfist (Possibly on that one)
Better yet, if you want to make him jump STRAIGHT to OU/UUBL or possibly even Ubers (which is doubtable lmfao) give him an ability that gives all punching moves priority, it’ll take full advantage of its punching attacks!
I don’t think he’ll be Ubers with that because he lacks a good boosting move, and to be in the OU metagame, having a great 123 attack isn’t as impressive unless you’re banded.
A metagame where Pokémon are gradually becoming stronger than previous generations, this is why it could be hard for Electivire to find his place easily; however, priority oriented punches allows you to not stress about out speeding your opponent too much since there’s a 95% you’ll always go first, thus you can confidently go for Adamant nature and invest in a offensive bulky set to compensate for the above average defenses by investing defensive EV’s, and STILL confidently will outspeed your opponent most-likely.
This ability could either be called _”Lightning Fists”_ or _”Flash Fists”_
Now we need to round it out with How GOOD were Magmar and Magmortar ACTUALLY?
Seconded.
thirded
As long as it's not Lickitung & Lickilicky
or leafeon/glaceon!!!
About as shitty as Evire. Weakness to Stealth Rocks killed any chance it had competitively. It's fallen to PU
You know what? We definietly wanna keep the trend of Gen 1 mons that get an evolution in Gen 4
Thus, HOW GOOD WAS MAGMORTAR ACTUALLY?
It wasn't, end of the video.
I know, but I want to know more about its _terribleness_
Will this be followed by HOW GOOD WERE LICKITUNG/LICKILICKY ACTUALLY?
@Jett Lucas Hayes competitively
Competitively. Magmar is not very good. Magmortar is always a lower tiered glass Cannon pokemon
4:48 - 5:39 *The Rise*
5:40 - 8:39 *The Fall*
8:41 - 9:55 *The Decay*
Ah Electivire. I was one of those noob kids during Diamond and Pearl that read its OU Smogon page and was caught by the allure of its bonkers coverage and it holds the distinction of being one of the few Pokemon I bothered to breed proper moves onto in Gen 4. At the time however, I didn't realize OU had nothing to do with the catridge and that there was an online ladder so fortunately I didn't humiliate myself too much. Electivire, while terrible, will always hold a place in my heart for marking one of my firsts steps in properly understanding competitive Pokemon.
@@ZyrusSmith ???
Same as i cause it was always a fave. Still fun to use imo
I’ve been requesting for ages. Let’s go for the opposite. How GOOD were Magmar and Magmortar ACTUALLY?!
Booooring
Fordo no u
@@dez2950 he's opion dumbass
How GOOD were Magmar & Magmortar ACTUALLY?
Electabuzz fainting animation on Stadiums always looked funny to me, the poor thing looks like it is having a stroke.
How Good Were Magmar and Magmortar Actually?
I'm with you
Now we gotta cover Magmar and Magmortar so...
How GOOD were Magmar and Magmortar ACTUALLY?
How good was whimsicot?
The most memorable thing about Electabuzz is it’s cry in the anime, and Paul’s electevire was a beast
outclassed by Togedemaru?!? OUCH
To be fair, togedemaru is in NU, a higher tier than other electric types
How good were Magmar & Magmortar ACTUALLY? -History of Competitive Magmar & Magmortar
Let's upvote all the Magmar comments & it'll happen
Thanks to everyone for getting us this Electric Boi
But it's time for the fiery boi
How good was Magmar and Magmortar ACTUALLY!!
and who comes after that?
...Farfetched?
I don't think Paul would be happy to see that his strongest pokemon (besides Drapion) lies in the lowly land of Smogon's Untiered list.
His Torterra struck me as stronger anyway.
Electivire is my favourite electric type so even tho he isn't perfect he's still a good mon in my book.
W H A T A B O U T H I S A G G R O N ?
@Jett Lucas Hayes Yes, a good majority of his team is, but W H A T A B O U T H I S A G G R O N ?
@Jett Lucas Hayes Its still better then Silvers team in my opinion
Poor Electrivire, he has such a cool design
Pickatchou Cool er design &/ q electivire atk 29 iv sk Jam
@@lolpop2118 what
@@lolpop2118 should... Should I get help for you?
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You are a legend for putting the time into this
Mewtwo went twice
You’re a real one for putting it in alphabetical order too
I c u bitch
I hadn't seen the unown one thanks
How GOOD were MAGMAR and MAGMORTAR actually?
You gotta do the duo
fun fact: In gen 6, there was a short lived FU metagame (the prequel to ZU, fuctioning as a tier below PU).
In this metagame Electabuzz was the face of the entire tier, it was very fast for the tier, pretty bulky with eviolite, and had amazing coverage which made it the easiest pokemon to fit on a team. It also had very little competition as an electric type. While it might not have been the most powerful pokemon in the tier, fraxture probably took that title, it had something like 60% usage if my mind serves me correctly.
That tier was hella fun, i miss it
It sounds like a simple stat buff would fix the problem here. Unfortunately Game Freak is notorious for not fixing simple problems...
You mean like how they're not fixing Sword and Shield
#shotsfired
kayokango the most it would get is like 5 extra points as I don't think Gamefreak would give it 600+ in its Stats
@@goldenhydreigon4727 #Iwantsinnohremakes
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Same
Now you have to do Magmar & Magmortar
Let's continue with how good were Magmar And Magmotar actually?
The worst part is that these guys are some of the best designs too. They deserve so much more power.
Anyone think Electivre would also work as an Electric/Fighting type?
they're really missing their shot at fixing two problems (electivire being crap + having unused type combos) by doing this.
Not really, but zaraura, common
@@warmblanket3394 Yes really
It literally is a bulky, humanoide ape-like punching Mon
@@warmblanket3394 zeraora deserves nothing but the worst
@@rajkanishu why?
I'm not going to ask for any Pokémon today, I'm just going to thank you all the effort you're putting in this videos
Keep going dude💪
That's classy, have a +1 on me.
Next week there will be How good were Magmar & Magmortar ACTUALLY? No matter what you say.
HI CARL MY SWEETHEART! HAPPY NAMEDAY!
Hell yea!
Hopefully
Lol ikr
Obviously
Can't have one without the other!
Electivire in the second dlc of Pokémon Scarlet and Purple was given new moves, which are Bulk Up, Trailblaze to increase its speed, Knock Off, and a new 100 power physical attack
One of the few pokémon where all the members of the evolution line are cool looking.
How Good Were Magmar and Magmortar ACTUALLY?
cries
Pretty bad ngl
How GOOD was AuraGuardian’s video ACTUALLY?
Johnny N Better than this channel's Unown video.
@@littleman7514 nnnnnnope
@@carlosmunozbastias4358 what?
That video was banned to Anything goes tier alongside Mega Rayquaza
Two words= the shits.
It fails for the exact same reason Luxray (an extremely similar pokemon) fails; identity crisis over physical/special attack when you want to go one or the other really, not enough speed (95 versus 105 makes an ENORMOUS difference competitively), and physical electric attacks fucking suck.
seriously, why does Wild charge recoil when thunderbolt doesn't recoil, has the exact same amount of damage, and has a slight paralyze chance (on top of not making contact)? Not fair.
I know right? Wild charge NEEDS a to be buffed in generation 9! Maybe to 120 like with megahorn? I’m not too well versed in comp. Pokémon so I really don’t know.
Or fricken remove the Exclusive crap from Volt Tackle because Pikachu does not even use that when it is literally glass.
plasma fists good but not many mons get it
i hate the amount of pokemon that have like 100 spatk/atk and then have like 80 of the other atk, which means every other stat is lower. it's so annoying omfg
@@magk2524 Depending on the moves it knows it's such a waste or bad temptation to use the lower stat which, usually won't work out well without a life orb or something.
Or: "The Rise, Fall, and Decay of Electivire"
There was no rise...there was a promise...
The birth, assassination, and cremation of physical electric types.
@@CarlosAlberto-nq3iv honselty it sucks and is stupid if you aren't a fast or speedy sp,atk electric type pokemon you are screwed
Okay, so we got our Yin, Electabuzz/Electivire all charged up for this show. Can we now have our Yang, Magmar/Magmortar all fired up for the next show?
Come to think of it, perhaps Elekid was the most successful member of this evolutionary line, since it’s been historically good in LC.
Electivire was just a sad case of having 20 or so atk less than he needed. I used him a ton when I started playing competitive in 4th. His coverage was phenomenal, but he just had trouble putting things down regardless.
Magmar and Magmortar next!
Magmar/Magmortar OR Roselia/Roserade, PLEASE Go for it
Roserade can wait, Magmortar is an almost guarantee
The decision to drop Electivire’s base speed from evolving, and giving it motor drive to compensate, was honestly pretty stupid.
Electivire could have been damn good if it just kept the 105 base speed and had ANY decent ability...
EDIT: Damnit someone already pointed this out.
sephondranzer 95 speed isn’t THAT bad, it’s main problem is that its defense is so GARBAGE that all you need to kill it would be a somewhat sharp broomstick.
Leavanny The Cute Mantis That’s what I’m saying; though Electivire’s speed is fairly average (95 still out speeds plenty of Pokémon), the real issue is something it shares with Luxray, rather shallow movepools (or rather “movepuddles”) that don’t have good STAB moves nor very strong moves. As well as defenses that would make human skin laugh hysterically.
I have an electivire in my Heartgold save file with a timid nature and currently EV training its special attack stat
105 spd wth iron fist is what electivire should've have
Well, electivire is a fat yeti
Electivire: When "It's super effective!" is not effective enough.
I totally want to see someone try Electivire against Mega Aggron, the Pokémon where "It's super effective!" really doesn't mean much on the physical side.
You should do Piloswine and Mamoswine next.
that pokemon has a great desgin and it's still one of the best ice type Pokémon tbh.
RinX it is great my problem with it is it’s 0 resistances
Magmar line is next. It's Electibuzz's counterpart.
@@Nosretep
Ah I just wanted to see the history of Pokémon which actually was relevant in vgc in some point but tbh I don't mind waiting for it either
maybe after next week and next month's patreon pick
@@goGothitaLOL I guess you're right
How good was Magmar/Magmortar actually?
Of course
Oh yes
Yes please!
As bad as Elecrabuzz/Electivire
Was waiting for this one
Electivire needs a 10 point buff in speed and attack.
95 base with paper thin defenses while hitting like a wet noodle is not gonna cut it.
Withdreday or maybe buff the defenses
if it literally just got agility/swords dance it'd be great. It's stats aren't really the problem, it's it's set up move pool. Only being able to boost attack by one stage is not gonna cut it. He doesn't hit like a wet noodle but he doesn't hit like a freight train, that's the problem here.
@@LG-ii7gl when you have pokemon who aren't even pseudo legenday out speeding and out damaging electivire states are a problem yeah it can have a bigger move pool but how far can that alone help he had terrible states limit moves and tricks and finally the nail in the coffin was better pokemon came in to play with more of the former examples
power creep hurt a little with zeraora and koko
It’s sad to see that one of my favorite Pokémon has had such a rough time in competitive battling. Even so, Electivire will always remain one of my favorite Pokémon of all time.
Let me guess, how GOOD was Magmar and Magmortar ACTUALLY next?
How good was Magmar and Magmortar ACTUALLY?
Shift gear would be prefect for Electivire.
10 points more speed + giving it Iron Fist would improve it a ton
It really needs a bit more than that. It needs the speed boost, swords dance, Volt Tackle and Rock Head. Yeah, I know you think Rock Head is crazy but with electric being one of the best attacking types in the game, a pokemon with a spammable 120 move of that type with no downside would be great. It would find a niche some where with that and a choice scarf/band
@@dylanbuchanan6511wild charge is 90 base power and game freak refuses to distribute volt tackle.
They were the 2nd most voted last week.
So........
How good were Piloswine and Mamoswine ACTUALLY?
maybe after next week and next month's patreon pick
How good was Magmar/Magmortar actually
I wish this video covered Zero Used. Electivire is terrifying down there.
That's like an adult beating up little kids. For a pokemon with a BST of 540 that's absol-lutey pathetic.
It's depressing how Electivire is only viable in a tier with Mareanie, Bronzor and Combusken.
@@butteredsalmonella Yikes... Electivire gone so depressed and insane it started beating up those babies
If you love Electivire, you probably loved Paul in Sinnoh
Let’s keep this going with Magmar... how GOOD was Magmar and Magmortar actually?
This episode was painful to watch. I feel really bad for Electabuzz/Electivire.
Rawpowered It’s a shame that it doesn’t as strong as its look, yet I still think it is cool, and deserves some love (;-;)
@@rabbitguy9176 If it had more physical defense, maybe Drain Punch or Close Combat, it would have a fighting chance. I lowkey wish Electivire would be Electric/Fighting.
Look at those manly arms.
Why?
#MakeElectrivireGreatAgain,I love you E-boy.
Yeah it's a shame it's so bad
This truly breaks my heart... by far one of my favorite Pokémon definitely top 10!!
Gen 8 Electivire:
*It had different surroundings, but it was the same depressing story*
So is it time for Magmar yet?
How *GOOD* were *MISDREAVUS* and *MISMAGIUS* Actually?
Seconded!
Thirded
That would be a Mistake.
Electivire is definitely one of the most well-designed Pokemon of all time. Honestly all it needs are for some points from its Sp. Atk to be put into Speed and Defense, and for it to get an ability like Intimidate, Galvanize, Gorilla Tactics, Sheer Force, or Volt Absorb, or even Teravolt if you want to go that far.
I think its need specialy in speed motor drive suck because who whant to hit an electric type whit a electric type move
gorilla tactics evire would actually be so silly lmao
Stat wise: (If Electivire were to get a Mega Evolution)
Typing would be Electric/Fighting
HP: 75 >>> 75 (0)
Attack: 123 >>> 133 (+10)
Defense: 67 >>> 87 (+20)
Special Attack: 95 >>> 125 (+30)
Special Defense: 85 >>> 85 (0)
Speed: 95 >>> 135 (+40)
Edit: Ability: Adaptability
That actually sounds a little too good if you've successfully baited in an Electric move for Motor Drivem
In addition, give it a new move.
Overcharge Chokehold
Power: 100
Accuracy: 100
Category: Physical
Type: Electric
The user grasps the opponent's neck, then electrocute them with an all-out surge of electricity. Has a 50% chance of paralysis.
Edit: I'll also give this move to Luxray.
@@chaosbreaker657 A base 100 powered move that is also Adaptability STABbed to 200 for Electivire on top of having a 50% chance to paralyze opponents. This would destroy most Ubers and even the ones that can withstand it would likely be paralyzed except for other Electric-type pokémon, which it can also take down with Earthquake. But, despite it being blatantly overpowered, I don't mind given Electivire's nonexistent competitive use AKA it's Untiered now.
You should apply to work at Gamefreak and make this happen. Though, while adaptability is nice, I think he would enjoy Iron Fists better
Itd be better if it gave it 30 HP, 30 attack, 30 speed and 5 SPD and 5 defense.
How GOOD was Magmar/Magmortar ACTUALLY? Time to go full circle on this one
How GOOD was magmar/magmor ACTUALLY
What if when they didn't lose speed when they evolved had a slightly higher attack and special attack stat, then changed his ability so whenever he uses an electric attack his speed rises?
Hm, looking at that, that would be most likely 133 Physical Attack, and 105 special then. I assume by slightly, you mean ten. I think that could be OU material, at the very least, it would be good in UU, or have a niche there.
Paul used a lot of pokemon that would become my favorites and Electivire was number I always waited to see him every episode after he evolved
How good was magmar/magmortar actually
Wow there are A LOT of people voting for *How GOOD was Magnar and Magmortar ACTUALLY?* ...
How about *How GOOD was Jynx ACTUALLY?*
AND how about How GOOD was Pinsir ACTUALLY?
YES I NEED THIS!!!
How good was Miltank actually?
How Good was Bird Jesus actually?
Im Down for that
How can something with over 120 attack not be able to kill anything
Epico Marko Welcome to Luxray’s world.
Low base power moves.
Lucian cahil 90 isn’t really “low.”
Skeeter Mania For a recoil move, it is.
that actually surprised me considering it's super effective coverage. But you have to look it at practice. It doesn't kill anything, it's mindblowing. Physical Electric Types are just garbage with very few exceptions: Zekrom, Togedemaru and Zeraora (minus anything from SwSh because I stopped playing since those games came out.)
It's my favorite, and this breaks my heart. I wish he'd get better stats.
Electivire should get close combat and meteor mash for coverage.
@@CarlosAlberto-nq3iv It already has Cross Chop
@@kabelguy70 While Cross Chop is a good fighting type move, Evire needs close combat for stronger hits.
@@CarlosAlberto-nq3iv And a fighting type itself. While you're here, is there any chance that Evire is good in the story mode of Sinnoh? I plan on running it on a team with Empoleon, Drifblim, Garchomp, Porygon-Z and Drapion.
@@kabelguy70 I never properly used Evire, particularly because its a trade evolution and I never cared much about Electabuzz, though I always wanted to try it.
It always bugged me Jynx didn't get an evolution along with Electabuzz and Magmar. I always kind of associated those three since they were Gen 1 Pokes that didn't evolve, and they all got pre-voluitons in Gen 2.
Speaking of which, how good was she actually? I thought she was kind of interesting after reading her Smogon page.
After the whole Jynx controversy, GF probably didn't want to draw any more attention to the mon. I agree though, it should've gotten an evo.
It's also interesting to note that, like Electabuzz and Magmar, Jynx was a version exclusive..... kind of. In the original Red and Green versions (or Red and Blue outside of Japan), Jynx was only available via an in-game trade. In the Japanese Blue version, however, it was available in the wild.
It's because jynx was already controversial so they didn't want to draw anymore atention to it
They should’ve done Jinx 3rd evolution, but made her a sexy Japanese Ice demon
Blame parents and grown ups fo being too fucking sensitive and blame Nintendo and GF for not coming forward and explaining Jynx isn't meant to be a racist Pokémon it's based off a monster from Japanese Folklore.
How good was Magmar/Magmortar actually?
if you did Electabuzz/Electivire, you might as well do the fire counterpart too, even if they aren't much better then their counterpart
also, Aggron and Roserade can wait the week after next week and the patreon pick
and Poor Electivire, i feel sorry for it (tho i like Magmortar more)
They are made for single player where they are excellent. They learn many high PP medium power moves and their coverage is great. They also are fast, strong and bulky enough to defeats hoardes of weak enemies.
This is especially so because they learn flamethrower and thunderbolt quite early. A lot of fire and electric types don';t learn those moves at all.
Poor Jinx not getting an Evolution in gen 4
Looking at the new Jynx video, I'm pretty sure Jynx itself has Electivire and Magmortar beat.
they need to give it access to volt tackle
That and Close Combat, Knock Off, Darkest Lariat, Power Whip and Bulk Up
I remember back in the day people spread rumors about it going to receive that move in Gen 4.
How good Was magmar/Magmortar Actually (^_-)
Hell yea
See you guys in the Magmar/Magmortar video
“Too frail, too slow, too incapable to dealing strong blows”
You missed your chance
What
Stat redistribution:
Hp: 65
Attack: 130
Defense: 61
Sp. Atk: 105
Sp. Def: 61
Speed: 116
New typing: Electric/Fighting
Signature ability: at first i thought of giving him a combination of Motor Drive and Lightning Rod, but realized it would be too OP, so: Fighting Spirit: this pokémon's physical Electric type moves gain a secondary Fighting type effectiveness and the STAB multiplier becomes 1.75x instead of 1.5x
HP : 71
Attack : 123
Defense : 61
Sp. Attack : 118
Sp. Defence : 61
Speed : 106
New Typing : Electric/Fighting
New Ability : Electric Surge/Transistor
Mine is more balanced and remains true to it's lore and history.
@@muzammilibrahim5011 the stats don't add up, you have 2 more points that it should have
@@Lrizu nah it adds upto 540
How GODD were Magyar/Magmortar ACTUALLY!
It has to happen!
I remember getting beaten by a Smeargle, Electivire team which used Electrify/ Spore/Imprison/transform Smeargle and lost due to outspeed and life orb
You actually forgot that Electivire also dropped to ZU. Why do you never mention ZU?
Untiered is zu
@@madmonty6099 Oh, that's the same thing? I was never into competitive, so I did not know.
Because it amuses me to keep track of this, here are the Gen 1 Pokemon who have yet to have a video:
Beedrill/Mega Beedrill
Butterfree
Raticate/Alolan Raticate
Pidgeot/Mega Pidgeot
Fearow
Farfetch'd
Dodrio
Persian/Alolan Persian
Golem/Alolan Golem
Sandslash/Alolan Sandslash
Alolan Raichu
Parasect
Venomoth
Scyther
Pinsir/Mega Pinsir
Dewgong
Jynx
Golduck
Seaking
Kingler
Magmar/Magmortar
Rapidash
Arbok
Nidoqueen
Primeape
Hitmonchan
Hitmonlee
Mr. Mime
Lickitung/Lickilicky
Victreebel
Vileplume
Muk/Alolan Muk
Weezing
Electrode
Ditto
Omastar
Kabutops
Hypno
moonjelly5 YES! Gotta catch em all! I go through and always like any not as popular gen 1 picks on this list. Please like this coment and help me!
No magikarp?
moonjelly5 also, here's a list of gen 1 pokes I've seen more than 1 comment asking for(near past and present)
Magmar
Persain
Jinx
Weezing
Muk
Ditto
Golem
Kabutops
Our Lord Helix / Omastar
Pinsir
Butterfree
Bedrill
Fearow
Kingler
Sandslash
Golduck
Where's pidgey on that list?
Most comments are voting, I’ll take my comment and say, thank you for these awesome and consistent videos :D
It would take a lot to fix Electivire nowadays, but I think the 10 point drop to speed is a big part of what really killed it in DPP and lower tiers later on. Even if it couldn’t always get an OHKO, it would be able to outspeed a large portion of the metagame unboosted, comfortably outspeeding the ever common base 100s and even the infamous Garchomp while it was in the tier. It could far more reliably dish out damage, meaning that it wouldn’t be completely reliant on motor drive, and having walls wouldn’t be as much of an issue since it could still snipe faster Pokémon.
Not just that but an Electric Typing just by itself is just bad....
Bearly any resistances and weak to the common Earthquake is just terrible. I mean Zapdos, Rotom-W and Rotom-W have typings that give them far more better offensive and defensive niches far better than vire could ever dream of
I think Electrizer should have an effect like Light Ball. Where it Doubles It’s SPD, Defense & Special Defense stats!! that will bring him back from the brink!!
I remember I tried running Electivire on my Electric team in Gen 7 Monotype because I needed another physical attacker besides Koko. It wasn’t pretty. Everything you mentioned was spot on: too frail, too slow, doesn’t get KOs. Once Zeraora was released I dropped Electivire and never looked back for even a second lol
You also had Thundurus, Elecktross, and Alolan-Golem as viable Electric Attackers.
There weren't that many good physical electric attackers sadly in Gen 7. But Dracozolt is now a thing in Gen 8 and Zekrom too but its Uber
@@bryanc1772 I never really tried the other ones you mentioned, but pre Crown Tundra I ran Dracozolt and unfortunately it was a disappointment. 80% accuracy might as well have been 50% accuracy for how often it hit things in the crucial moments I needed it to
@@1BlueYoshi Yea thats true although you can use its other abilities if you hate the miss.
Gamefreak honestly just hasn't created a lot of good electric physical attackers. They are worse off now since they lost HP ice
@@bryanc1772 Without hustle it's not strong enough, but with hustle it never hits, although maybe banded with Sand Rush might be able to do something, but it wouldn't work in monotype because setting up sand would not be ideal for the rest of the team.
And also yeah definitely, RIP HP Ice. I was trying to think of a way to make Rain Weather Ball work as a way to sorta replace it but although rain is better for Electric than sand it is still hard fitting it on the team
How GOOD is Magmar/Magmortar ACTUALLY???
Let's upvote all the Magmar comments & it'll happen
Everyone that voted for Electabuzz and Electavire let's help our Magmar/Magmortor brother's and sisters
How good was Magmar/Magmortor actually.
I'm glad someone else is trying to bring all of us together too, so let's just keep looking & upvoting all the Magmar&Magmortar comments
How good was Magmar and Magmortar actually? Do that next please!
Didn't they already do that one?
@@ThePuppyTurtle
😑 No
@@ThePuppyTurtle No
The N64 animation for this pokemon is a Masterpiece
I still love you, E-vire!!
Everyone is talking about The Magby line but I just wanna see that purple one with the big lips
So, basically, Jynx. Please?
Also Persian, I guess. Please give us the catto.
Jynx without a doubt deserves an episode as she along with Golem are the last of the OU tier in Gen 1! I really want Persian as it is my favorite Pokemon and even though it may suck, it still has some uses if you ask me! Hopefully all these Pokemon get episodes soon :-)!
Get this guy's brother in a video! How GOOOOOOOD was Magmar/Magmortar actually?
Hell yea I'm with u. Upvote all the Magmar/Magmortar comments & we got it for Sure
i thought you would say
too frail
too slow
too incapable to deal a significant blow
@shinx 08
When you say “blow...”
Given how they've headlined both Baby forms and new evolutions in the past, I'm surprised Magmortar and Electivire didn't continue that trend and receive Mega Evolutions. Deep six both of Mewtwo's forms (or give it and Charizard one form each) and replace them with these, and the Mag/Elec duo would finally be as powerful as that Blaine battle and status as Paul's ace (respectively) would suggest.
Well It seems we are getting Magmar and Magmortar for next week. Im hyped!
I can't be too upset because Electabuzz is so cool even if it did poorly in competitive. But Persian people be patient! How good was Persian actually?
Would love to have Persian soon! Our day will come eventually! Hard to be patient though 😸!
Persian in a nutshell:
-gen1= STAB critical Slash spammer
-gen2= neutered
-gen3= fast, weak hitter
-gen4= Fake Out spammer or gimicky Nasty Plot sweeper
-gen5= Fake Out + U-turn spammer or gimmicky Nasty Plot sweeper
-gen6= same as the above
-gen7 Alolan form= fast and bulky Foul Play spammer who trolls Metagross, Garchomp, Landorus, etc to death who can also do Parting Shot pivoting...but gets wrecked by Special hits.
We need poké cat reviews.
0:20: Unfortunately, because of this episode, I originally thought Scyther was Electabuzz's "friend", not Magmar.
The sad story of my favorite eletric Pokemon :(
How Good were Magmar and Magmortar ACTUALLY?
Alright, fine... How GOOD were Magmar and Magmortar ACTUALLY?