Best reviews on the web. Love all the temp tests as well as the instructional view inside the machines. Every time I watch one of your reviews I learn something new.
Very informative review. It's funny: As a German I watch an US channel to review a German product ;-) But your review are really good and helpful. Thanks.
Profitec just did a copy + paste with the "new" porta filters but the perfectionated it a bit and I admit that. :) both companies LM and Profitec make great espresso machines.
In the UK and Europe the Move isn't really comparable to the Silvia Pro X. The Move is £1700 and the Pro X £1300. quite a difference. Thanks for the in depth video.
Thanks for the great review! This seems like a dream machine... almost. The new portafilter is exactly what I want, same to to joysticks for water/steam. Quick startup time is great for home. The PID controls are still old school. I wish a BMW iDrive style control, or just touch screen. Lack of smartphone integration is disappointing.
Another superbly thorough review Marc ! This looks like a real game changer and I am thinking of perhaps going with this one rather than the Synchronika. I’ve already picked up a Mahlkonig grinder … now I just need the machine. Thanks again.
Hey c, thanks for the comment. If you frequent my videos you know the Synchronika is my long time favorite dual boiler in it's class. The new Synchronika II takes things to another level with capsule heaters in the group for fast warm up, programmable active/passive pre-infsuion and the other functions available on the Move. If you are not serving crowds, are okay with less steam capacity, don't need to plumb a machine the Move is good choice! Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Very much appreciate your generous and thoughful comments Marc. You guys are starting to become for coffee what B&H is for photography. Thanks
After $330 machine (with bult-in grinder) I recently bought Pro 300 and I'm waiting delivery of it some last weeks. "Move" has more features, looks very promising. But it's a new model. And I'm sure that after some years of users feedback and warranty issues Profitec will make updated revisions of the Move...I hope that Pro 300 is more reliable because it's simpler and it's old model which was updated and polished in many aspects through all these years.
Hey ER, Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Internals in the Move are well proven. What's new are electronics controlling pre-infusion timing etc. Those are well proven and fairly straightforward. I expect reliability to be the same. PID temp control is electronic which tends to be more reliable than pressurstats which are mechanical. Marc
I bought the Profitec Jump last month and love it. I did consider waiting for the Move, but was drawn to the E61 grouphead, lower price and styling. It would be good to see a side by side comparison at some point to see if I chose wisely!!
@@Wholelattelovepage I look forward to it! Also, thanks for giving insight into Profitec in your previous videos - they were extremely helpful when making my decision!
I am acctually looking for some dual boiler and for it's price in Europe You still getting Lelit Bianca v3 (white/black). Heating time and auto on/off sounds great but it's easy to set those on bianca + Rotapump and flow controll, desing. Hard choice.
If you're not jazzed about the buttoned-up look of this machine in black, Profitec is releasing more colors in the Spring of 2025! Can't wait to get this one on my kitchen counter!
Hi, Marc… Thanks a lot ;-) Very nice and innovative machine if you are looking for a more modern design than classic ECM machines. Impressive capabilities at that price point and to my mind a very good entry-level machine for _serious_ espresso coffee fans. Oh, I forgot… These concrete handles look really sick - architects are going to _love_ them! I do (not being an architect ;-)
Great review as usual, Mark and @Wholelattelovepage! Unnecesary dig at the Silvia Pro X, but I get it. The Move solves for all the reasons that pushed me from the Pro 300 to the SPX and adds a few more like true pre-infusion and much more programmability. So this would have likely changed that decision, six months too late. But I can't say I'm unhappy with the SPX, borrowing from that Volvo commercial "it looks like a tank, but it's built like a tank" (paraphrasing)! Cheers!
My daughter and son in law just bought the Pro-300 with vibration pump. I was stunned how quiet it is - easily comparable to my rotary pump Pro-700. Those rubber mounts for the vibration pump are incredibly effective.
@dakotahnok ECM Mechanika Max is +$250. Rotary pump, plumbable, E61 HX boiler with similar functions: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-mechanika-max-espresso-machine?variant=43049695281206
@@drew3895 The comment I was replying to was insinuating that charging 1999 for a machine without a rotary pump is crazy. But I am unaware of a dual boiler rotary pump machine that is even close to 2000, except when Lelit Bianca is on sale. All others are around 3000. Legitimately curious if one exist.
Hi from Oz, Great review and tests, thank you Mark & WLL team. A little off topic is there such thing as a flow control device for a thremoblock machine, if not would a dimmer mod damage the Thermoblock?
Hey james, You're welcome and thanks for the comment. Unfortunately I do not know if a dimmer mod would damage a thermoblock. Assuming you want to control the heating? I'm certain users have done mods to control pumps to do a form of flow control. Marc
Maybe it's just a preference by Profitec, but 9+ bar at the group is a tad high. Ideally you'd want 9 bar at the gauge which is typically 8 bar at the group. But this is seen across all their machines, James Hoffman noted this in his review of the Pro 500.
Hey gag, 4 screws off the top of the machine and you have open access to the OPV to set your max pressure to whatever you like. Pro 500 can be adjusted as well. Marc
Is it just the two whole steam tip, or was the steaming performance a little weak? 27 seconds means steaming milk is likely going to take longer than your shot, so you can’t start a shot, steam, and stop your shot after you’ve finished steaming.
Hi g, thanks for the question. Steaming 5oz/150ml milk is a bit slower than a high capacity dual boiler set to highest temp/pressure. Some users like fast vigorous steaming while others appreciate more time to work the milk. Shots can be programmed to stop automatically on the Move so you can do that or if running manual shots start steaming first. Marc
Hey smathews, Thanks for the question! just published this short video showing full recovery ruclips.net/video/SyjeYu87LHI/видео.html Bonus: you get a call out in the video for asking the question! Marc
Hey drew, thanks for an excellent video request! They are in a way part of the boiler as the group usually mounts directly to the bottom of the boiler. This generally results in faster group head heat up times compared to E61. In an E61 a convection driven thermo-siphon from the boiler heats the group. This takes some time to flow and the mass of the E61 is higher than a ring group. E61 can be equipped with a manual flow control valve and have a pre-infusion chamber. On some machines like plumbable rotary pump E61 models from Profitec and ECM it's possible to do manual line pressure pre-infusion. Marc
Yeah, it's basically a miniaturized saturated group (in this case). It's directly heated by the boiler water sans thermosiphon. Heats faster and is more temperature stable. However it's pretty much not possible to install flow control.
So, Profitec is a down market ECM, made in the same factory with lot's of the same features, just look at the last video that Mark did on the ECM. Same features, similar build quality but at a slightly lower price & different aesthetic. It would have been a tough choice, but I went for the ECM.
Hey Eye, thanks for sharing you GO love! Steaming 5oz/150ml milk to 140 took 27 seconds on the Move. I ran same test on the GO a couple of years ago which you can see here: ruclips.net/video/aROy-ZjgZUQ/видео.htmlsi=j2YqaOLmo32V74kk&t=546 On the GO you have to wait for the machine to heat up from brew temp before steaming. In the linked video I used 3 different methods with best result of 22 seconds. BUT that 22 does not include heat up time from brew temp and a 20 second wait after purging. On the Move, no waiting! It's ready to steam anytime. Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage The MOVE manual describes a total power of 1700W for the US models, but the EU models have 2300W - does this affect the milk foam?
Marc, I was comparing the big brother to this , the ECM Synchronika II and like that on it, steam pressure holds very steady. I'm moving up from a Rocket Appartamento which drops steam pressure to .6bar after steaming a small amount of milk. What pressure will the Move start at, 2.5 bar? And what does it end at when you are done with your standard milk steam test? You pointed this out in your Synchronika II review but left this detail out on the Move. I'm concerned the .75L steam boiler may struggle just like my Appartamento. Other than that one concern, this looks like a great step up from heat exchanger to small efficient dual boiler. I love the design of the brew boiler attached to the top of the brew group.
Hey harvey, Thanks for the question! just published this short video showing full recovery ruclips.net/video/SyjeYu87LHI/видео.html Bonus: you get a call out in the video for asking the question! Marc
Wait, so this machine is better for the prosumer than a Rancillio silvia? But it does have a vibratory pump? I thought the Silvia was a real workhorse when it comes to great multiple espresso's at a time. Who is the Silvia for compared to the Move?
Hi s, I refer to the Silvia Pro X in the video. In the US, both machines are priced about the same. Both are dual boiler vibe pump machines. Compared to the Pro X, the Move has more features like programmable active/passive pre-infusion, time of day - day of week on/off programming. Marc
Is there any way/tool/accessories to cover the holes on the lid of the reservoir? Don't think leaving the water exposed for days through those holes is a good idea for something you gonna drink.
Hi z, Weidemann makes vegan leather covers for many machines like this - of course it has finger holes for the reservoir cover: www.wholelattelove.com/products/wiedemann-espressocover-r-profitec-pro-300?variant=40958543233078 Something similar? Also, the reservoir has a mount for Aroma-C water filter for water softening, particulates plus activated carbon for chemicals. Marc
Hi m, Most all ring group machines I've encountered use brass for the brew boiler for better thermal characteristics. There are some single boiler dual use machines using brass. Most straight steam (service) boilers are stainless but there are some copper w/brass end plates. Marc
$2k, ÷ 6.50 = 307 cups of coffee.... Honestly, BEFORE I got my first Espresso machine ($700/2016/still works) I still didn't buy THAT much coffee... Like it, just can't justify, being the only espresso person in the house..
Hi jw, you should check out the ECM Mechanika Max. It's an HX boiler, E61, plumbable, rotary pump machine with similar functions. It runs a couple hundred more: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-mechanika-max-espresso-machine?variant=43049695281206 Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks - have had my eye on that one too, but I prefer the integrated/saturated group head style vs the E61. Plus it’s a dual boiler, super quick heat up and more temp stable. But I wish it was plumbable. Seems the only saturated style with a rotary pump is the Micra which is 2x the price! Waiting for someone to challenge La Marzocco there.
@@Wholelattelovepage they have a similar functioning one with a seemingly higher quality material. Of course the material is different but the functionality is the same. I think it’s misleading to say that
Hi w, good eye! It's a custom proxy puck made of silicone having a thermal conductivity of less than 0.5 W/m·K as specified in SCA Standard 350-2021 Marc
Hi gigi, Thanks for the comment. Don't know where you are located but in US price is good value compared to similar machines like Silvia Pro X that has fewer features and more utilitarian aesthetic. Marc
Hey richard, from a design/style perspective manufacturers try to minimize screens to help maintain a more classic look? Rocket Espresso was famous for this with designers intentionally hiding PID displays behind drip trays or using removable screens on many machines. Marc
Hey david, you can still do manual extractions - this is also how you program a button. Press and hold either brew button for 4 seconds. Then select if you want pre-infusion on or off. Press again to start pre-infusion (if enabled) or the normal extraction. It will run until you press the button again to stop. Thing I like here is all the timings will be saved. So if the shot was great you can instantly repeat those parameters exactly next time you press the button. If you always wanted to allow an extraction to run until you press the brew button to stop, just program an extraction time that's far too long say 50 seconds. Marc
Hey lex, I introduce the ECM Puristika with external glass reservoir: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-puristika-single-boiler-espresso-machine?variant=43083787239478 Marc
Hey med, true the OPV is not instantly externally adjustable but access is easy with 4 screws straight out of cup warming surface. Panels lifts of and there it is. Marc
Best reviews on the web. Love all the temp tests as well as the instructional view inside the machines. Every time I watch one of your reviews I learn something new.
Hey steven, Wow, thanks! I love going under the hood with Todd!
Marc
Very informative review. It's funny: As a German I watch an US channel to review a German product ;-) But your review are really good and helpful. Thanks.
Hey k, you are welcome and thanks for the comment!
Great review, Marc. Always love watching your stuff.
Hey esquire, thanks for the kind words!
Marc
The porter filter is the first of its kind? I think you just brushed over La Marzocco 😅
Except they're plastic not silicone
Profitec just did a copy + paste with the "new" porta filters but the perfectionated it a bit and I admit that. :) both companies LM and Profitec make great espresso machines.
In the UK and Europe the Move isn't really comparable to the Silvia Pro X. The Move is £1700 and the Pro X £1300. quite a difference. Thanks for the in depth video.
Thanks for sharing
There’s a reason Mark’s the sales guy….im an Eskimo, sell me some ice Mark!
lol
Very nice machine, thank you for the review.
Hey larry, Thanks for watching and the comment!
Marc
Awesome review as usual, Marc! I just purchased mine from WLL!
Hey a, Thanks for the comment and your patronage!
Marc
Thanks for the great review! This seems like a dream machine... almost. The new portafilter is exactly what I want, same to to joysticks for water/steam. Quick startup time is great for home. The PID controls are still old school. I wish a BMW iDrive style control, or just touch screen. Lack of smartphone integration is disappointing.
Another superbly thorough review Marc ! This looks like a real game changer and I am thinking of perhaps going with this one rather than the Synchronika. I’ve already picked up a Mahlkonig grinder … now I just need the machine. Thanks again.
Hey c, thanks for the comment. If you frequent my videos you know the Synchronika is my long time favorite dual boiler in it's class. The new Synchronika II takes things to another level with capsule heaters in the group for fast warm up, programmable active/passive pre-infsuion and the other functions available on the Move. If you are not serving crowds, are okay with less steam capacity, don't need to plumb a machine the Move is good choice!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Very much appreciate your generous and thoughful comments Marc. You guys are starting to become for coffee what B&H is for photography. Thanks
Looks like a great machine. A pity that they did not upgrade that water tank lid with the two holes in it by a lid with hinges.
Flair has a 3-in-1 58mm portafilter that’s all metal and lets you have bottomless, 2 spout, or single spout. I like it
After $330 machine (with bult-in grinder) I recently bought Pro 300 and I'm waiting delivery of it some last weeks. "Move" has more features, looks very promising. But it's a new model. And I'm sure that after some years of users feedback and warranty issues Profitec will make updated revisions of the Move...I hope that Pro 300 is more reliable because it's simpler and it's old model which was updated and polished in many aspects through all these years.
Hey ER, Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Internals in the Move are well proven. What's new are electronics controlling pre-infusion timing etc. Those are well proven and fairly straightforward. I expect reliability to be the same. PID temp control is electronic which tends to be more reliable than pressurstats which are mechanical.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks, Marc!
Professional and detailed review. How does the profitec move stack up to the lelit elizabeth in your opinion?
La Marzocco was the first to use the insert on the portafilter on the micra. However, their’s is plastic. I do prefer how Profitec chose silicon.
I bought the Profitec Jump last month and love it. I did consider waiting for the Move, but was drawn to the E61 grouphead, lower price and styling. It would be good to see a side by side comparison at some point to see if I chose wisely!!
Hey Fsd, thanks for sharing your thoughts on the Jump. We should have a video coming soon on the machine.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage I look forward to it! Also, thanks for giving insight into Profitec in your previous videos - they were extremely helpful when making my decision!
@@Wholelattelovepage waiting for that vid!!
Way better than my breville. Thanks for your review. ❤
Hey 7HH, you are welcome and thanks for your comment. Curious which Breville and why?
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage the bes920.
I am acctually looking for some dual boiler and for it's price in Europe You still getting Lelit Bianca v3 (white/black).
Heating time and auto on/off sounds great but it's easy to set those on bianca + Rotapump and flow controll, desing.
Hard choice.
If you're not jazzed about the buttoned-up look of this machine in black, Profitec is releasing more colors in the Spring of 2025!
Can't wait to get this one on my kitchen counter!
Hey m, yes, love the black but more colors on the way!
Marc
Hi, Marc… Thanks a lot ;-) Very nice and innovative machine if you are looking for a more modern design than classic ECM machines. Impressive capabilities at that price point and to my mind a very good entry-level machine for _serious_ espresso coffee fans.
Oh, I forgot… These concrete handles look really sick - architects are going to _love_ them! I do (not being an architect ;-)
Hey agcs, You are welcome! The concrete handles are really cool!
Marc
Great review as usual, Mark and @Wholelattelovepage! Unnecesary dig at the Silvia Pro X, but I get it. The Move solves for all the reasons that pushed me from the Pro 300 to the SPX and adds a few more like true pre-infusion and much more programmability. So this would have likely changed that decision, six months too late. But I can't say I'm unhappy with the SPX, borrowing from that Volvo commercial "it looks like a tank, but it's built like a tank" (paraphrasing)! Cheers!
Hey c, Thanks for the comment! Just pointing out a features, value, aesthetic comparison on similarly (in US) priced machines.
Marc
Awesome 👏🏾 I was wondering if you guys we’re going carry this🥰
Hey phoenix, Thanks - yes! www.wholelattelove.com/products/profitec-move-espresso-machine?variant=43025466523702
Is steam performance suitable for a serious latte art? Really comprehensive review 👍🏻 attractive one!
Hey m, steam performance is more than adequate for latte art.
Marc
yes please
That machine looks legit. What's the maximum amount of time one can preinfuse for (passive and active)?
Hey blue, thanks for the comment and question. Maximum programmable times are 60 seconds for all timed functions.
Marc
My goodness you do thorough reviews Marc - thank you! My only surprise with this machine is the vibratory pump; why not a rotary at that price?
What machine offers dual boiler with rotary pump at 2000??
My daughter and son in law just bought the Pro-300 with vibration pump. I was stunned how quiet it is - easily comparable to my rotary pump Pro-700. Those rubber mounts for the vibration pump are incredibly effective.
@@dakotahnokA rotary pump cost literally 60 bucks more. I would have a rotary or gear pump and made it 2100
@dakotahnok ECM Mechanika Max is +$250. Rotary pump, plumbable, E61 HX boiler with similar functions: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-mechanika-max-espresso-machine?variant=43049695281206
@@drew3895 The comment I was replying to was insinuating that charging 1999 for a machine without a rotary pump is crazy. But I am unaware of a dual boiler rotary pump machine that is even close to 2000, except when Lelit Bianca is on sale. All others are around 3000. Legitimately curious if one exist.
Hi from Oz,
Great review and tests, thank you Mark & WLL team.
A little off topic is there such thing as a flow control device for a thremoblock machine, if not would a dimmer mod damage the Thermoblock?
Hey james, You're welcome and thanks for the comment. Unfortunately I do not know if a dimmer mod would damage a thermoblock. Assuming you want to control the heating? I'm certain users have done mods to control pumps to do a form of flow control.
Marc
Maybe it's just a preference by Profitec, but 9+ bar at the group is a tad high. Ideally you'd want 9 bar at the gauge which is typically 8 bar at the group. But this is seen across all their machines, James Hoffman noted this in his review of the Pro 500.
Hey gag, 4 screws off the top of the machine and you have open access to the OPV to set your max pressure to whatever you like. Pro 500 can be adjusted as well.
Marc
Very very nice machine..
We agree!
Why do I keep watching reviews of espresso machines I can’t afford?
Aspirations!
Is it just the two whole steam tip, or was the steaming performance a little weak? 27 seconds means steaming milk is likely going to take longer than your shot, so you can’t start a shot, steam, and stop your shot after you’ve finished steaming.
Hi g, thanks for the question. Steaming 5oz/150ml milk is a bit slower than a high capacity dual boiler set to highest temp/pressure. Some users like fast vigorous steaming while others appreciate more time to work the milk. Shots can be programmed to stop automatically on the Move so you can do that or if running manual shots start steaming first.
Marc
May I know how long it takes to recover to full steam pressure after steaming 5oz?
Hey smathews, Thanks for the question! just published this short video showing full recovery ruclips.net/video/SyjeYu87LHI/видео.html
Bonus: you get a call out in the video for asking the question!
Marc
Mark, can you do a video or please explain a "ring" brew group? Looks like it's part of the boiler? Advantages or disadvantages compared to the e61?
Hey drew, thanks for an excellent video request! They are in a way part of the boiler as the group usually mounts directly to the bottom of the boiler. This generally results in faster group head heat up times compared to E61. In an E61 a convection driven thermo-siphon from the boiler heats the group. This takes some time to flow and the mass of the E61 is higher than a ring group. E61 can be equipped with a manual flow control valve and have a pre-infusion chamber. On some machines like plumbable rotary pump E61 models from Profitec and ECM it's possible to do manual line pressure pre-infusion.
Marc
Yeah, it's basically a miniaturized saturated group (in this case). It's directly heated by the boiler water sans thermosiphon. Heats faster and is more temperature stable. However it's pretty much not possible to install flow control.
Do you think the MOVE can do 3 milk drinks back to back, or close? If so I am interested
So, Profitec is a down market ECM, made in the same factory with lot's of the same features, just look at the last video that Mark did on the ECM. Same features, similar build quality but at a slightly lower price & different aesthetic. It would have been a tough choice, but I went for the ECM.
Exactly!
Marc
I love my Profitec Go, but this definitely has my attention. How is steaming performance on this as compared to the Go?
Hey Eye, thanks for sharing you GO love! Steaming 5oz/150ml milk to 140 took 27 seconds on the Move. I ran same test on the GO a couple of years ago which you can see here: ruclips.net/video/aROy-ZjgZUQ/видео.htmlsi=j2YqaOLmo32V74kk&t=546
On the GO you have to wait for the machine to heat up from brew temp before steaming. In the linked video I used 3 different methods with best result of 22 seconds. BUT that 22 does not include heat up time from brew temp and a 20 second wait after purging. On the Move, no waiting! It's ready to steam anytime.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage The MOVE manual describes a total power of 1700W for the US models, but the EU models have 2300W - does this affect the milk foam?
Marc, I was comparing the big brother to this , the ECM Synchronika II and like that on it, steam pressure holds very steady. I'm moving up from a Rocket Appartamento which drops steam pressure to .6bar after steaming a small amount of milk. What pressure will the Move start at, 2.5 bar? And what does it end at when you are done with your standard milk steam test? You pointed this out in your Synchronika II review but left this detail out on the Move. I'm concerned the .75L steam boiler may struggle just like my Appartamento. Other than that one concern, this looks like a great step up from heat exchanger to small efficient dual boiler. I love the design of the brew boiler attached to the top of the brew group.
Based on a 27 second steam time, I'd also be worried the steam boiler is struggling. Silvia Pro X did the same test in 15 seconds.
Also, with the same 2 hole steam tip the Synchronika II did the test in 18 seconds, so Move has about 66% of the steam power of the Synchronika.
Hey harvey, Thanks for the question! just published this short video showing full recovery ruclips.net/video/SyjeYu87LHI/видео.html
Bonus: you get a call out in the video for asking the question!
Marc
Wait, so this machine is better for the prosumer than a Rancillio silvia? But it does have a vibratory pump? I thought the Silvia was a real workhorse when it comes to great multiple espresso's at a time. Who is the Silvia for compared to the Move?
Hi s, I refer to the Silvia Pro X in the video. In the US, both machines are priced about the same. Both are dual boiler vibe pump machines. Compared to the Pro X, the Move has more features like programmable active/passive pre-infusion, time of day - day of week on/off programming.
Marc
Can you please check out the Zuriga? It has real fast heat up and steam and should be the better Choice!? Thanks
Hi booky, not familiar with those machines but appears to be a simple, small, aluminum single boiler?
Marc
Is there any way/tool/accessories to cover the holes on the lid of the reservoir?
Don't think leaving the water exposed for days through those holes is a good idea for something you gonna drink.
Hi z, Weidemann makes vegan leather covers for many machines like this - of course it has finger holes for the reservoir cover: www.wholelattelove.com/products/wiedemann-espressocover-r-profitec-pro-300?variant=40958543233078
Something similar? Also, the reservoir has a mount for Aroma-C water filter for water softening, particulates plus activated carbon for chemicals.
Marc
Any reason why the steam and brew boiler are to different materials? Pros-Cons of brass over stainless?
Hi m, Most all ring group machines I've encountered use brass for the brew boiler for better thermal characteristics. There are some single boiler dual use machines using brass. Most straight steam (service) boilers are stainless but there are some copper w/brass end plates.
Marc
$2k, ÷ 6.50 = 307 cups of coffee.... Honestly, BEFORE I got my first Espresso machine ($700/2016/still works) I still didn't buy THAT much coffee... Like it, just can't justify, being the only espresso person in the house..
I would _not have_ married my wife if she did _not_ drink coffee in the quantities that I do… ;-)
@@anotherguycalledsmith 🤣 Mine just drinks regular coffee, says my Esp/Cap/Lattes are too strong..
I drink that in 3-4 months haha oh my...
My wife drinks coffee now that I purchased a Profitec GO 😂 with home roasting and selling coffee to a friend, I’m almost making money!
$6.50 for a coffee? I thought Copenhagen was the home of outrageous coffee prices at €7.00. Here in Spain an espresso is €1.50😂😂
Is the milk steamer a two spout? And if so are you able to switch it out for a four?
Hi a, yes, 2 hole tip. Should be able to switch to 4.
Wish it had a rotary pump - if so I’d buy it
If the noise bothers you, don't be discouraged. They're as quiet as my rotary pump Pro-700.
If you want a quiet rotary pump machine, look at the ECM machine's. That's what got me to buy one, almost silent.
Hi jw, you should check out the ECM Mechanika Max. It's an HX boiler, E61, plumbable, rotary pump machine with similar functions. It runs a couple hundred more: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-mechanika-max-espresso-machine?variant=43049695281206
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks - have had my eye on that one too, but I prefer the integrated/saturated group head style vs the E61. Plus it’s a dual boiler, super quick heat up and more temp stable.
But I wish it was plumbable. Seems the only saturated style with a rotary pump is the Micra which is 2x the price! Waiting for someone to challenge La Marzocco there.
@@stevenswann2835 Love the rotary sound, but more about being plumbable so it can be my end game machine.
Is it the first of its kind for that portafilter ? La Marzocco did it
Hi B, LM has a bottomless with silicone dual spout insert?
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage they have a similar functioning one with a seemingly higher quality material. Of course the material is different but the functionality is the same. I think it’s misleading to say that
@@Bowser558The way I heard it, he was making a point of the silicone spout, the material being the unique part.
The porter filter is the first of its kind? I think you just brushed over La Marzocco 😅
How do the concrete knobs feel on the hands?
Hey okay, the concrete is "polished" so it's fairly smooth. Not as slick as plastic but not gritty/grabby.
Marc
What's that yellow thing in the T.P.D? Looks like a puck heat mass simulator, but I cannot find any info.
Hi w, good eye! It's a custom proxy puck made of silicone having a thermal conductivity of less than 0.5 W/m·K as specified in SCA Standard 350-2021
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Oh thank you so much Marc! I'll make my own one with the speca you gave to me. I wish you my best regards.
Uhh nice but a lil steep,
Might as well for the synchronika
Hi gigi, Thanks for the comment. Don't know where you are located but in US price is good value compared to similar machines like Silvia Pro X that has fewer features and more utilitarian aesthetic.
Marc
So its time based, not volumetric?
Correct
Are ECM and Profitec from the same company?
Yes
Yes
No, they are sister companies like VW and Audi. They have same CEO and post address.
@@DuBstep115basically the same company, features are often indiscernible.
@Persepolis8564 kinda like Toyota/Lexus. ECM is the high line with more refined finish details. Similar machines use many of the same internals.
Marc
2:48 that's OLED display ??? 😢
Hi b, yes, Profitec specs call it OLED.
Marc
Why is the screen so small!
Hey richard, from a design/style perspective manufacturers try to minimize screens to help maintain a more classic look? Rocket Espresso was famous for this with designers intentionally hiding PID displays behind drip trays or using removable screens on many machines.
Marc
Brew by time, vibration pump, small boiler, and long steam times, seems a few too many short comings at the price point
Hi a, thanks for the comment. Comparing machines like Silvia Pro X at similar price in US the Move has more going feature and design wise.
Does anyone know how the profitec move compares to a lelit Bianca v3?
I know that the v3 doesn’t have the volumetric, but besides that?
Definitely a strange choice to get rid of a semiautomatic mode... Wonder why they made that choice.
To be clear I mean a semiauto switch, not a semiauto functionality entirely.
Hey david, you can still do manual extractions - this is also how you program a button. Press and hold either brew button for 4 seconds. Then select if you want pre-infusion on or off. Press again to start pre-infusion (if enabled) or the normal extraction. It will run until you press the button again to stop. Thing I like here is all the timings will be saved. So if the shot was great you can instantly repeat those parameters exactly next time you press the button. If you always wanted to allow an extraction to run until you press the brew button to stop, just program an extraction time that's far too long say 50 seconds.
Marc
plastic reservoir? we want glass reservoir
Hey lex, I introduce the ECM Puristika with external glass reservoir: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-puristika-single-boiler-espresso-machine?variant=43083787239478
Marc
I saw a video that said it was volumetric. If it's time based and not volumetric...that's FAR less interesting. In fact might be a put off
Hi n, it is time based. No flow meter.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage disappointing AF. I greatly appreciate you clarifying that for me though. Still for the price...it's nicer than the Sylvia Pro X
OPV adjuster not easily accessible (unlike profitec GO) is a dealbreaker
Hey med, true the OPV is not instantly externally adjustable but access is easy with 4 screws straight out of cup warming surface. Panels lifts of and there it is.
Marc