ignore the bubble for Grief #2 as BGM - this is one of the songs that got this video blocked the first two times and I somehow missed the original text bubble. Woulda been right in the original cut, just not this one lol also it's fukasawa not fukazsawa but too late now i didn't even wanna use ubw music lmao
His story was already perfectly told in zero. But fgo came and extended it without losing the core meaning behind his character and that was beautiful. Mad respect to gen urobuchi sensei
well said it goes to show you that is why I hate labels hero and villain putting a label on these people dehumanizes we are people nothing more nothing less
I will say that I feel like Kiritsugu is misunderstood in a positive way while Shirou is misunderstood in a negative way. Kiritsugu's actions are supposed to be displayed as something that won't get him anywhere yet people glorify him for the path he took (I'm not saying it's wrong to like Kiritsugu's journey. I love it's journey for the fact that it shows that sacrificing everything around you for the greater good will leave you in shambles.) Shirou's ideals are often seen as childish and naive at the start of every route but since he doesn't let go of his ideals in Fate and UBW (instead he reforms them) those particular interpretations of the character are looked down upon because either the audience doesn't understand why he would choose to uphold them in spite of the consequences or they just didn't like him regardless.
Legit, instead shirous views should be the ones that are glorified for its mature and understanding outlook on his ideals, since he has come full circle. Kiritsugu should the one to instead be admonished for his pursuit of those ideals, and in the end, both should be praised for being fascinating characters
I dont glorify kiritsugus path as it was straight up wrong but thats what makes kiritsugus character so good he did the things the way he learnt how to do and the way he was used to the way he thought was correct but that brought him ruin and thats is the point of his character and the reason he is my favourite fate character
Not to mention the situations Kiritsugu is involved since he is a kid are way more traumatic than Shirou and he had none to save him if he didn't choose that path actually Shirou is lucky guy for having Kiritsugu, Taiga, Rin, Sakura and all of his classmates in school , Kiritsugu didn't have that choice.
@@uliseslopez4639 I'm not one to compare traumas since everyone reacts to certain ones differently so I can't sit here and say ones better than the other. If kaleid is anything to go by Kerry had a choice to flee the grail war as a whole with Iri and Illya given the fact that the former 2 ended up preventing the 4th war in their timeline. Kiritsugu simply chose to stand by what he believed in in spite of everything he had gained throughout the years after all the losses he suffered
@@okita_souji_alter well that's either Nasu's problem or it just wasn't meant to be for his original timeline or else we'd have another route with that outcome for Zero.
Got a friend that hates Shirou because Shirou wants to save everyone even if he gets hurt in the process. Ironically his favorite DC superhero is Superman.
They're very different characters so there's nothing wrong with that actually. I can see why someone might like superman but hate Shirou because their struggles are different.
Shirou who wants to save the world even if it means push his body and mind to the limit: Eww get off that shit. Superman who wants to save the world even if it means push his body and mind to the limit: Yes bitch slay!
Kiritsugu is above all the biggest representation of the point of Fate. No matter how hard a person tries, one cannot save the world with selfless intentions, and it's foolhardy to even try. All you'll end up is broken. Kiritsugu killed everything he cared about and could save nothing. Only when he selfishly sought something to save, Shirou, did he finally save anything at all. Likewise with Shirou, who only saved Fuyuki because of an inherently selfish love, whether of Rin, of Sakura, or of Saber. Even Ritsuka Fujimaru, the protagonist of FGO is only capable of saving the earth for one selfish reason. "I want to live". I think it's a fascinating commentary on heroism, one usually lost in the tide of all the horniness. Not often is selfishness praised as a virtue.
Wouldn't ubw shirou go against this though, he doesn't continue chasing that ideal for any person or selfish reason, but purely because he believes the pursuit of trying to save everyone is beautiful. By having these two characters (Kiritsugu and Shirou) compared against each other, I think the fate series, even fgo, that although humans might not be able to achieve much, their constant struggles against this fact, against fate, is something beautiful
I firmly believe 99% of Shirou haters are Anime onlies who somewhat understandably missed his entire character completely. The anime adaptations as good as they are do a lot of the characters pretty dirty (him and Illya especially). Also I just want to pat Kiritsugu's head and make everything better for him. The man has been through the ringer and back. At least things are better for him in Prillya.
Even as an anime only (and I guess fgo as well, but that's not really relevant) I love shirou as a character, even in the greatly reduced anime adaptations I feel that fate has great and understandable character motivations and development. Though I must admit, Ilya is gets so little screen time I can't even begin to guess what is missing
Now here the funny shit. Illya kinda some how success save everybody she know may (beside Kuro but she and her are kinda one so) lol. something that both Kirit and Shirou fail to do...
@@destroyercreater98 It's a very flawed "immortality". Even Zouken hated it and wanted to escape from it. He was in constant pain all the time. Even if his body in theory will never disappear his soul continues to decay causing him to need eat more and more humans to sustain himself. Just like how the dead apostles have very flawed immortality. Some vampires who are over a thousand year old require blood from 100 humans just for one meal as long as they are active. And as his soul decays he becomes more and more mad and looses more memories. It's a decent method for extending life to a certain point but it's far from practical immortality.
A part of me can't help but laugh how literally 5 minutes before this video was posted Tsiah released his own video about Kotomine Kirei. Jeeze these two can never avoid each other
@@pathalenvivaldi7811 Peoples opinions on characters they don't understand at all doesn't no. Not on the quality of the characters they're referring to anyway. In terms of taking a look at the differences in the adaptations their opinions are very valuable though and I find it interesting to see what they think. Does that clarify my opinion for you?
The best part of Kiri and Angra duking it out is the fact that it's a Shirou face, specially since I believe Shirou Emiya would be Angra Mainyuu if it would help the world
Kirisuga feels like a extreme side of battle, he in embark on a never ending battle of evil, like batman never ending war with crime. Where Kirisuga is willing to kill to save that world, basically becoming evil for the act of taking a lives. It broke him to a point where the outside exterior can be perceived as him being a cold heartless man who cares about nothing. Which is partial wrong as he cares deeply for his daughter and his adopted son and his family. (Hell he cares for that his dreams since he wants to save the world) The end with Batman is that Bruce doesn't want to kill, to him it keeps him being like the criminal he fights, He mentality not well and the moral rules he place on himself. Gets more people kill due the fact his enemies won't stop killing and Batman won't kill them. Even from an outside perspective He looks cold and heartless but Bruce cares deeply and is emotionally invested in his crusade as Batman and connection to his sons.
Interestingly, og Batman used to kill and sometimes depending on the version some of his enemies get redeemed eg Two face and Clay face. I also think it should be noted that though Batman is a vigilante he still works with police officers and doesnt go full terrorist like kiritsugu. Additionally, I heard one reason Batman doesn't kill is that he is an example to the robins and if he became like kiritsugu the police and justice league would be after him. Now putting criminals in prison for then to break out is dumb but I think batman did his job by capturing joker and gothams government is to blame for not having capiital punishment and relying more on arkham asylum. Also, from a business standpoint dc relies heavily on legacy characters and won't permanently kill them off.
The mainstay reason for Batman to adamantly deny killing villians is because he knows that if he ever resorts to it, he might never stop. He's the most crazy thing in Gotham, riding on the knifes edge between heroism, and villiany, through insanity held in check by his near unbreakable willpower. The few times Batman ever killed, he was pushed to the point where it was deemed the only answer, for which he immediately turned himself in (like the time he snapped Jokers neck in the Batmobile on the way to the police station). That's why Batman doesn't kill when it would save many lives from these villains. So Batman wouldn't resort to killing every criminal he crosses regardless of the crime commited.
funny you say this because Archer is exactly like this an endless cycle living Kiritsugu's ideals killing the people he wished to save for the greater good making him cynical but we see despite that he would sacrifice himself for others.
I am honestly surprised by this it actually sums up the duality that is Kiritsugu so well. I'm still pissed that he is the only emiya family member to evade me in fgo still but besides that its good
Having just gotten into Fate this past year I only checked out your other analyses a couple of months ago and I was sad to see it seemed like you didn't make them anymore, the Shirou analysis, in particular, is probably the best Fate video I've seen on the platform. I was really happy when I got the notification for this and you really knocked it out of the park! Absolutely fantastic analysis of one of my all-time favorite characters, I'd even say you've outdone the Shirou video! Side Note: I haven't yet checked out FGO myself, but it is really cool to see parts of the franchise other than Stay Night and Zero actually getting proper analysis as well
Zero is still one of my favorite anime. To say Kiritsugu's story was a factor in that would be putting it lightly. I wonder how Zero's would feel about his Counter Force counterpart. I love hearing you talk about the Emiya men. If nothing else, Type Moon certainly knows how to write their protags. Glad you finally got to release this, damn copyright.
Woah this video was amazing. Way more high quality than I expected. I really enjoyed watching this. Especially the voice acting on the scene between Assasin Emiya and Angra Mainyu.
you should shout out kiritsugu from prisma illya where he become father of the year where he and irisviel decided to escape from holy grail war and from einbernz family and give illya a normal life taken care by leyritt and sella meanwhile he and irisviel making sure that their daughter away from danger though until she become a magical girl.
I love Kiritsugu , much more than Shirou. His life is so tragic that I can't help but love and pity him , While also hate him in his prime because he also remind me of the people who have so much conviction and held on to such ideal that it crushed him . No one going to wish they've walk that same path as Kiritsugu ............ Shirou is a much more inspiring one when compare . He also remind me of Naked Snake / Big Boss .......... really can't help but love him . I claim that I love Gilgamesh and Iskander , but actually no , they both are just very inspiring yet also tragic at the same time .
Just my opinion: I think in his quest to kill evil Kiritsugu became evil himself and set out on a never-ending battle as he had only one method to solve a complex ever increasing over expanding problem. Even if Kerry kills all evil people then he still needs to start doing good and fix other issues that push people to do evil acts like poverty, political corruption, economic problems, and other societal woes. Evil is not just one thing and it can take multiple forms. In Batman begins Ras al ghul says, "Create enough hunger and everyone becomes a criminal". If true, then there are some problems that can't be solved with guns and bullets alone. I mean no one just wakes up and does evil unless maybe they're -Kirei- crazy but the things that caused evil must be sorted out otherwise nothing will change and history will forever repeat itself. Sometimes, l think Archer Emiya hated being a counter guardian because he's literally stuck killing people for all eternity and can't do or try anything else not even finding better methods if there are any (almost like a dead end job but worse). Moving on, it also makes me wonder what exactly Kerry's utopia would be because even if the grail could grant such a wish if it is not maintained then it would devolve into chaos once more like the rat utopia experiment, and in a way, Kerry would force his vision of peace onto everyone and how would he go about judging who is evil and who is good because there are varying levels. Either Kerry would have to: Kill everyone Kill all the bad people and leave the good people (don't know how you would go about judging that) Become God and take away free will then force everyone to act as he wishes them to act. His wish for a utopia may create a lostbelt situation. Anyway, there is also the problem of protecting the innocent and rebuilding since Kerry is an unaccountable executioner/terrorist who acts above the law and may sometimes kill innocent people who get caught in the crossfire (probably even kills the people he once saved if the situation calls for it) or destroys property to get to the guilty then who would repair that damage or help the people hurt by Kerry's method or would they be left to rebuild themselves? Also, what would Kerry do if met with someone who wanted revenge because he killed their loved one? And when he isn't killing or hunting would Kerry help the less fortunate? That being said he did evacuate the hotel before blowing it up but he did say that Iri and Ilya made him soft so if it weren't for them he may have killed those people too. In the case of the Fuyuki fire the survivors had their lives destroyed and were fed to Gilgamesh by Kirei but Kerry, to my knowledge, only helped Shiro. Changing into a better person is also possible sometimes but Kerry probably never considered that and it's also possible Kerry can change into a worse person with even more destructive methods. Heck, l think it was prisma Ilya manga Kerry continued his methods because he didn't experience the fuyuki fire and in grand order he's a counter guardian. So l guess unless something crazy happens he's only loyal to his ideals. Basically, in his quest to become a hero Kerry became the very thing he sought to destroy, he became arrogant in thinking that only he alone could save the world, no sacrifice was too high regardless of who, what, whether or not they asked to be sacrificed and only his methods were correct. Seriously, l want to know who made Kerry judge, jury, and executioner? And if a normal person did what Kerry did they would be a criminal. Also, it's ironic that those who preach about the needs of the many want to go about enforcing what they believe to be the needs of the many when it's actually their own personal individual beliefs of what they think the majority wants. Also, it was dumb for Kerry to directly or indirectly condemn Shiro to a life of superheroism because he's seen how bad it can be and has lived through that hell so why he wants Shiro to experience the same thing he went through is crazy. Perhaps I'm looking too deeply but Kerry and his father have a few parallels like their final acts resulting in the destruction of an area and condemning a child to a certain mindset/way of life. Lastly, perhaps the holy grail and fuyuki fire opened Kerry's mind and made him realize that his methods would result in the death of everyone because no one would be safe from him whether guilty, innocent, minority, or even majority. I also think the grail wish was a reflection because it gave Kiritsugu exactly what he had been doing his entire life and nothing more. It could not offer a miracle because Kiritsugu didn't have any other method beyond killing.
That's what makes him such a compelling character. He's always had different shades of gray in every situation he's been in. He didn't want to kill his first friend and tried sparing her, only to condemn the village in the process (albeit inadvertently). He kills everyone on a passenger plane, including his surrogate mother, all to ensure that a possible disaster could be contained and mitigated, even if it means killing those who weren't already infected with the bugs by some miracle. Even the hypotheticals he encountered while inside the grail has him trying to save as many people as possible at the cost of others. Yes, he ends up sacrificing the majority regardless once the hypotheticals build upon themselves and branch out, but he never loses that sense of moral ambiguity and joylessness at having to make such taxing decisions. As for the Fuyuki fire, he only saved Shirou, but it wasn't for a lack of trying. He tries finding any survivors and quickly loses hope once the few he found and extracted from the ruins burned to ashes in his arms. By the time he found Shirou, he was passed the point of despair, which was why he was so relieved that he found someone who didn't die in his arms within the first 2 seconds of pulling them out of burning debris.
@@KhanhNguyen-mh5ec True but even if he had gotten his wish it might have led to that version of the world being pruned off and or grail corruption. Either way, his goal is unrealistic and unattainalbe otherwise it would have happened long ago before even he was born
The Grail is practically omnipotent, but not omniscient. It cannot bring forth a world that the holder cannot imagine. At the end, Kiritsugu believed he sought the Grail to save the world, but the truth was he sought the Grail for it to save it for him.
This video is absolutely masterful. I love this video and all your others on the nasuverse. Thank you for making this vudeo.. Also I appreciate you using clips from the dub as the Dub of the fate series, especially Zero, is a masterpiece and very underrated.
Yup! Essentially every Fate series barring the main Zero/Stay Night series is an AU. Fate uses AU stories to mix up its formula for fun twists a lot, and it makes for some cool what-ifs like a faction-based 14 servant war in Fate/Apocrypha or a foreign imitation grail war in Fate/Strange Fake. It's fun because it lets ya enjoy a lot of these stories out of order since they're mostly independent, but that's also part of why some people find the series confusing. The main series is just Zero, then El Melloi Case Files, followed by whichever Stay Night series you like (there are 3 routes, and all of them have been adapted into anime at this point).
@@BlueDrakma I’ll have to read the wiki I watched the one where that guy fights the priest and it was probably my top 5 shows. I need to get back into it
I'll be honest, I wasn't reading FGO thinking it was just a mobile game.. then the Garden of sinners and Accel Order came and I read those😱 I learned I was soo wrong.
Yeah I’m in the camp that hates Kerry and Illya. Wouldn’t say I hate Shirou, but I tend to not care about him all that much. Honestly Shirou is one of the less interesting protagonists in my opinion. Kerry on the other hand though… yeah he can go straight to hell if you ask me. I wouldn’t say Kerry’s a badly written character, cuz he’s not, but god I could never root for the man.
@@r.k845 Tell that to other members of the fandom. I’ve been told I should like him or at the very least sympathize with him. Which I don’t on either front
I don't know, someone with unrealistic ideal about being a hero and actually went about trying doing it when they grown up and only fail and gain nothing but a broken mind and body do exist, I know someone like that before, when I look at kiritsugu I saw that guy too, cold, calculating, fucked up, brutal but still have good intentions of bringing salvation and ends all suffering which obviously isn't realistic of an ideal for anyone to have if anything they should grow up already but that's kinda the point of fate zero in general, cling to an unrealistic ideal and be blinded by it and only suffering will await at the end. The same thing can be said about the guy I was talking about, he abandoned , hurt and broke so many heart just to "save as many as he can" in fact the last thing he told me before he die is that "to save one you must hurt one, to save million you must hurt millions, that's what I learned after what happened and I want you to remember it too so i don't gotta see you up there way too early for your age" Kiritsugu is literally what a guy with a Shounen character motivation of saving the world would end up as irl if they took that shit too literally and if the guy I was talking about is anything to go by its that kiritsugu is pretty realistic for a fictional nonexistent individual, he's not flawless, he have his mental warfare with himself and he damn sure is what would happen if one were too blinded by their ideals and belief to the point they disregard everything to seek for a miracle that doesn't exist while insisting that they are right. The same thing can be said about you probably, you would and probably will deny everything I said here but that's just human nature to drown ourselves in our own beliefs to the point where we think we are right and they are wrong which kinda speaks for most character in fate zero, even saber if anything Idk if it's ironic or not but you're pretty much the type of people these type of shows are telling to grow up because at the truth of every heroic fairytale is that if it was real then it won't be so pretty , epic, noble and wholesome. I can tell you don't like him because of the shit he do and I'll tell ya what, that's some shit actual person with heroic morals of a generic protagonist inspiration of being a hero would turn out into in real life, hell I'm damn sure Spiderman wouldn't be so much of a smartass after few years of being a superhero due to the inevitable PTSD if he was real. You see that shit with kiritsugu if anything, at first he's literally just shirou but overtime he grew up and have a more realistic idea of how the world works so he doesn't think too unrealistically like he did before but it's the same regardless, he's blinded by ideal and belief like anyone in real life fucking would with anything in general.
Patreon. Pledge at least $1 then find the post and you can watch it through Google. Please do not leak and ruin this for the rest of us. Additionally, they have stated that the whole series will be posted all at once to RUclips when it is completed.
@@michaeldaniels642 We also premier the episodes as they come out in my discord! I’m going to be making the patreon link of 4 public after 5 comes out.
@@BlueDrakma I did not know that. Thank you. Unfortunately I am not at Discord level. Not because I don't want to be but, because I am not in a great place right now (lot of stuff has been screwing me over recently) and can't afford to go even slightly higher.
@@michaeldaniels642 The discord is free! It’s not a patron server, it’s just a community for the channel and my friends. The link’s in my channel banner.
6:07 hold on, who is talking there? Is it Kiritsugu or Kirei? Because I know whose voice that is. And by that I mean the voice actor and the only reason I know that is because that is very clearly similar to Alucard from Hellsing which means whoever is talking in that scene is voiced by Crispin Freeman.
Kirei is talking rn. He’s confused as to why Kiritsugu destroyed the grail despite his destructive methods to achieve it, hence “why did you kill your family”
Ppl shouldn't be allowed to criticize and judge a characters nature unless they themselves have been in a similar situation. Most ppl who watch fate are children on the inside... How could they grasp the reality. We live in a society of pets and vegans too bothered by the loss of life to stomach death. Kiritsugu is literally Thomas Wayne batman... The point is there's no perfect solution and someone has to take out the trash.
Damn. Guess I can't ever judge Kiritsugu because my father never conducted tests which turned all my friends and neighbours into vampires. I was also never adopted by a half demon lady who sexually harassed me.
People should thank the fact that Alimango Island is not a real place, cause you clumsy-tongued dimwits keep butchering the word. It's A-li-ma-ngo, not A-li-mang-go, not A-ri-ma-go, A-ri-man-go. It's not Chinese or French, it's not that difficult. I'm a Southeast Asian an I have no problem pronouncing difficult English, Russian, or German words.
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ignore the bubble for Grief #2 as BGM - this is one of the songs that got this video blocked the first two times and I somehow missed the original text bubble. Woulda been right in the original cut, just not this one lol
also it's fukasawa not fukazsawa but too late now i didn't even wanna use ubw music lmao
Nice voice acting man. Surprised me there.
Kiritsugu wasn't the hero he wanted to be, but he wasn't the villain he feared he was either.
Ain't that the truth.
Like many of us wish to be, He was as good as any and better than most.
His story was already perfectly told in zero.
But fgo came and extended it without losing the core meaning behind his character and that was beautiful.
Mad respect to gen urobuchi sensei
Gen wrote accel zero?
@@okita_souji_alter yup
@@mohamedelhediissa289 ah that makes sense then. Honestly some of the other stuff he wrote in fgo weren't that good but accel was peak
@@okita_souji_alter if i remember correctly the only parts he wrote were acceptable zero and lostbelt 3 and both were good to be honest
@@okita_souji_alter accel zero got auto corrected into acceptable zero lmao
He's no hero of justice, nor is he a mere villain. He, too, is human.
well said it goes to show you that is why I hate labels hero and villain putting a label on these people dehumanizes we are people nothing more nothing less
@@joeygula581 dehumanization is good thing. it enables the weaks to kill nazis and commies alike.
I will say that I feel like Kiritsugu is misunderstood in a positive way while Shirou is misunderstood in a negative way. Kiritsugu's actions are supposed to be displayed as something that won't get him anywhere yet people glorify him for the path he took (I'm not saying it's wrong to like Kiritsugu's journey. I love it's journey for the fact that it shows that sacrificing everything around you for the greater good will leave you in shambles.) Shirou's ideals are often seen as childish and naive at the start of every route but since he doesn't let go of his ideals in Fate and UBW (instead he reforms them) those particular interpretations of the character are looked down upon because either the audience doesn't understand why he would choose to uphold them in spite of the consequences or they just didn't like him regardless.
Legit, instead shirous views should be the ones that are glorified for its mature and understanding outlook on his ideals, since he has come full circle. Kiritsugu should the one to instead be admonished for his pursuit of those ideals, and in the end, both should be praised for being fascinating characters
I dont glorify kiritsugus path as it was straight up wrong but thats what makes kiritsugus character so good he did the things the way he learnt how to do and the way he was used to the way he thought was correct but that brought him ruin and thats is the point of his character and the reason he is my favourite fate character
Not to mention the situations Kiritsugu is involved since he is a kid are way more traumatic than Shirou and he had none to save him if he didn't choose that path actually Shirou is lucky guy for having Kiritsugu, Taiga, Rin, Sakura and all of his classmates in school , Kiritsugu didn't have that choice.
@@uliseslopez4639 I'm not one to compare traumas since everyone reacts to certain ones differently so I can't sit here and say ones better than the other. If kaleid is anything to go by Kerry had a choice to flee the grail war as a whole with Iri and Illya given the fact that the former 2 ended up preventing the 4th war in their timeline. Kiritsugu simply chose to stand by what he believed in in spite of everything he had gained throughout the years after all the losses he suffered
@@okita_souji_alter well that's either Nasu's problem or it just wasn't meant to be for his original timeline or else we'd have another route with that outcome for Zero.
Got a friend that hates Shirou because Shirou wants to save everyone even if he gets hurt in the process.
Ironically his favorite DC superhero is Superman.
That is way too ironic....
@@okita_souji_alter didn't bother telling him cause it might wreck his fragile ego
They're very different characters so there's nothing wrong with that actually. I can see why someone might like superman but hate Shirou because their struggles are different.
Shirou who wants to save the world even if it means push his body and mind to the limit: Eww get off that shit.
Superman who wants to save the world even if it means push his body and mind to the limit: Yes bitch slay!
Wait what, that's like hating vigilantes and your favourite character is batman
Kiritsugu is above all the biggest representation of the point of Fate. No matter how hard a person tries, one cannot save the world with selfless intentions, and it's foolhardy to even try. All you'll end up is broken.
Kiritsugu killed everything he cared about and could save nothing. Only when he selfishly sought something to save, Shirou, did he finally save anything at all.
Likewise with Shirou, who only saved Fuyuki because of an inherently selfish love, whether of Rin, of Sakura, or of Saber.
Even Ritsuka Fujimaru, the protagonist of FGO is only capable of saving the earth for one selfish reason. "I want to live".
I think it's a fascinating commentary on heroism, one usually lost in the tide of all the horniness. Not often is selfishness praised as a virtue.
Yep, like there's no point in fighting for a world where you have nothing to live for.
Wouldn't ubw shirou go against this though, he doesn't continue chasing that ideal for any person or selfish reason, but purely because he believes the pursuit of trying to save everyone is beautiful.
By having these two characters (Kiritsugu and Shirou) compared against each other, I think the fate series, even fgo, that although humans might not be able to achieve much, their constant struggles against this fact, against fate, is something beautiful
I firmly believe 99% of Shirou haters are Anime onlies who somewhat understandably missed his entire character completely. The anime adaptations as good as they are do a lot of the characters pretty dirty (him and Illya especially).
Also I just want to pat Kiritsugu's head and make everything better for him. The man has been through the ringer and back. At least things are better for him in Prillya.
Even as an anime only (and I guess fgo as well, but that's not really relevant) I love shirou as a character, even in the greatly reduced anime adaptations I feel that fate has great and understandable character motivations and development.
Though I must admit, Ilya is gets so little screen time I can't even begin to guess what is missing
Now here the funny shit. Illya kinda some how success save everybody she know may (beside Kuro but she and her are kinda one so) lol. something that both Kirit and Shirou fail to do...
If he really wanted to extend his life, he should've just talked to the expert in the field... Zoken Matou.
I don't know man... Zoken's methods are "something" to say the least...
@@darkspinspard4258 still doesn’t change the fact he gets results. Sure you’re body is turned to worms which is gross, but HEY! Immortality!
@@destroyercreater98 fair point indeed...
@@destroyercreater98 It's a very flawed "immortality". Even Zouken hated it and wanted to escape from it. He was in constant pain all the time. Even if his body in theory will never disappear his soul continues to decay causing him to need eat more and more humans to sustain himself.
Just like how the dead apostles have very flawed immortality. Some vampires who are over a thousand year old require blood from 100 humans just for one meal as long as they are active.
And as his soul decays he becomes more and more mad and looses more memories. It's a decent method for extending life to a certain point but it's far from practical immortality.
A part of me can't help but laugh how literally 5 minutes before this video was posted Tsiah released his own video about Kotomine Kirei.
Jeeze these two can never avoid each other
WAIT NO CAP?
KOTOMINE!!
@@ShirouBrando KIRITSUGUUUUU!
@@BlueDrakma the guys name is Tsiah V
Twin videos.
To be fair, other Shiro variants aside, Oath Shiro and Archer Shiro are, indeed, beloved by everyone. :D
I find Shirou an amazing character with how His Heroism changes in each route and even in Oath.
The opinions of anime onlys on VN characters doesn't exactly matter much so it's pointless to bother yourself caring about it.
@@r.k845 Don't be silly, Mate, everyone's opinion matters ;D
@@pathalenvivaldi7811 Peoples opinions on characters they don't understand at all doesn't no. Not on the quality of the characters they're referring to anyway.
In terms of taking a look at the differences in the adaptations their opinions are very valuable though and I find it interesting to see what they think. Does that clarify my opinion for you?
@@r.k845 ay we got some Elitist here👏
The best part of Kiri and Angra duking it out is the fact that it's a Shirou face, specially since I believe Shirou Emiya would be Angra Mainyuu if it would help the world
Kirisuga feels like a extreme side of battle, he in embark on a never ending battle of evil, like batman never ending war with crime.
Where Kirisuga is willing to kill to save that world, basically becoming evil for the act of taking a lives. It broke him to a point where the outside exterior can be perceived as him being a cold heartless man who cares about nothing. Which is partial wrong as he cares deeply for his daughter and his adopted son and his family.
(Hell he cares for that his dreams since he wants to save the world)
The end with Batman is that Bruce doesn't want to kill, to him it keeps him being like the criminal he fights, He mentality not well and the moral rules he place on himself. Gets more people kill due the fact his enemies won't stop killing and Batman won't kill them. Even from an outside perspective He looks cold and heartless but Bruce cares deeply and is emotionally invested in his crusade as Batman and connection to his sons.
Interestingly, og Batman used to kill and sometimes depending on the version some of his enemies get redeemed eg Two face and Clay face. I also think it should be noted that though Batman is a vigilante he still works with police officers and doesnt go full terrorist like kiritsugu. Additionally, I heard one reason Batman doesn't kill is that he is an example to the robins and if he became like kiritsugu the police and justice league would be after him. Now putting criminals in prison for then to break out is dumb but I think batman did his job by capturing joker and gothams government is to blame for not having capiital punishment and relying more on arkham asylum. Also, from a business standpoint dc relies heavily on legacy characters and won't permanently kill them off.
The mainstay reason for Batman to adamantly deny killing villians is because he knows that if he ever resorts to it, he might never stop. He's the most crazy thing in Gotham, riding on the knifes edge between heroism, and villiany, through insanity held in check by his near unbreakable willpower.
The few times Batman ever killed, he was pushed to the point where it was deemed the only answer, for which he immediately turned himself in (like the time he snapped Jokers neck in the Batmobile on the way to the police station).
That's why Batman doesn't kill when it would save many lives from these villains. So Batman wouldn't resort to killing every criminal he crosses regardless of the crime commited.
funny you say this because Archer is exactly like this an endless cycle living Kiritsugu's ideals killing the people he wished to save for the greater good making him cynical but we see despite that he would sacrifice himself for others.
I am honestly surprised by this it actually sums up the duality that is Kiritsugu so well. I'm still pissed that he is the only emiya family member to evade me in fgo still but besides that its good
Well he is an assassin. Wouldn't be too good at his job if he was easy to find.
@@meechiejamerson true very true XD
He is the only Emiya family member i have
@@kazekori9593 lucky you
Having just gotten into Fate this past year I only checked out your other analyses a couple of months ago and I was sad to see it seemed like you didn't make them anymore, the Shirou analysis, in particular, is probably the best Fate video I've seen on the platform. I was really happy when I got the notification for this and you really knocked it out of the park! Absolutely fantastic analysis of one of my all-time favorite characters, I'd even say you've outdone the Shirou video!
Side Note: I haven't yet checked out FGO myself, but it is really cool to see parts of the franchise other than Stay Night and Zero actually getting proper analysis as well
What a good essay on Kiritsugu! I especially loved the voice acting in the end!
A Hero of Sacrifice.
I like the fact I got on the video with one of my comments.
Also the guy I was talking to is a known shitposter so I wouldn't take him seriously.
Zero is still one of my favorite anime. To say Kiritsugu's story was a factor in that would be putting it lightly. I wonder how Zero's would feel about his Counter Force counterpart.
I love hearing you talk about the Emiya men. If nothing else, Type Moon certainly knows how to write their protags. Glad you finally got to release this, damn copyright.
An amazing video , I think this is the first time I see fate/go incorporated into an analysis of this type
Woah this video was amazing. Way more high quality than I expected. I really enjoyed watching this. Especially the voice acting on the scene between Assasin Emiya and Angra Mainyu.
Wow. If even the Mage's Association thinks your research is too dangerous, you should probably rethink your methods.
I love These videos you do. This reminds me of your core of shirou video which i still watch today
you should shout out kiritsugu from prisma illya where he become father of the year where he and irisviel decided to escape from holy grail war and from einbernz family and give illya a normal life taken care by leyritt and sella meanwhile he and irisviel making sure that their daughter away from danger though until she become a magical girl.
What a awesome video MAGNIFICENT job Blue!
My eyes was like 😳 when kiritsugu pull up the bazooka and double accel is cool
I love Kiritsugu , much more than Shirou. His life is so tragic that I can't help but love and pity him ,
While also hate him in his prime because he also remind me of the people who have so much conviction and held on to such ideal that it crushed him .
No one going to wish they've walk that same path as Kiritsugu ............ Shirou is a much more inspiring one when compare .
He also remind me of Naked Snake / Big Boss .......... really can't help but love him .
I claim that I love Gilgamesh and Iskander , but actually no , they both are just very inspiring yet also tragic at the same time .
Kiritsugu among the best boys in one of the best shows
Just my opinion:
I think in his quest to kill evil Kiritsugu became evil himself and set out on a never-ending battle as he had only one method to solve a complex ever increasing over expanding problem. Even if Kerry kills all evil people then he still needs to start doing good and fix other issues that push people to do evil acts like poverty, political corruption, economic problems, and other societal woes. Evil is not just one thing and it can take multiple forms. In Batman begins Ras al ghul says, "Create enough hunger and everyone becomes a criminal". If true, then there are some problems that can't be solved with guns and bullets alone. I mean no one just wakes up and does evil unless maybe they're -Kirei- crazy but the things that caused evil must be sorted out otherwise nothing will change and history will forever repeat itself. Sometimes, l think Archer Emiya hated being a counter guardian because he's literally stuck killing people for all eternity and can't do or try anything else not even finding better methods if there are any (almost like a dead end job but worse). Moving on, it also makes me wonder what exactly Kerry's utopia would be because even if the grail could grant such a wish if it is not maintained then it would devolve into chaos once more like the rat utopia experiment, and in a way, Kerry would force his vision of peace onto everyone and how would he go about judging who is evil and who is good because there are varying levels.
Either Kerry would have to:
Kill everyone
Kill all the bad people and leave the good people (don't know how you would go about judging that)
Become God and take away free will then force everyone to act as he wishes them to act.
His wish for a utopia may create a lostbelt situation.
Anyway, there is also the problem of protecting the innocent and rebuilding since Kerry is an unaccountable executioner/terrorist who acts above the law and may sometimes kill innocent people who get caught in the crossfire (probably even kills the people he once saved if the situation calls for it) or destroys property to get to the guilty then who would repair that damage or help the people hurt by Kerry's method or would they be left to rebuild themselves? Also, what would Kerry do if met with someone who wanted revenge because he killed their loved one? And when he isn't killing or hunting would Kerry help the less fortunate? That being said he did evacuate the hotel before blowing it up but he did say that Iri and Ilya made him soft so if it weren't for them he may have killed those people too. In the case of the Fuyuki fire the survivors had their lives destroyed and were fed to Gilgamesh by Kirei but Kerry, to my knowledge, only helped Shiro. Changing into a better person is also possible sometimes but Kerry probably never considered that and it's also possible Kerry can change into a worse person with even more destructive methods. Heck, l think it was prisma Ilya manga Kerry continued his methods because he didn't experience the fuyuki fire and in grand order he's a counter guardian. So l guess unless something crazy happens he's only loyal to his ideals.
Basically, in his quest to become a hero Kerry became the very thing he sought to destroy, he became arrogant in thinking that only he alone could save the world, no sacrifice was too high regardless of who, what, whether or not they asked to be sacrificed and only his methods were correct. Seriously, l want to know who made Kerry judge, jury, and executioner? And if a normal person did what Kerry did they would be a criminal. Also, it's ironic that those who preach about the needs of the many want to go about enforcing what they believe to be the needs of the many when it's actually their own personal individual beliefs of what they think the majority wants. Also, it was dumb for Kerry to directly or indirectly condemn Shiro to a life of superheroism because he's seen how bad it can be and has lived through that hell so why he wants Shiro to experience the same thing he went through is crazy. Perhaps I'm looking too deeply but Kerry and his father have a few parallels like their final acts resulting in the destruction of an area and condemning a child to a certain mindset/way of life. Lastly, perhaps the holy grail and fuyuki fire opened Kerry's mind and made him realize that his methods would result in the death of everyone because no one would be safe from him whether guilty, innocent, minority, or even majority. I also think the grail wish was a reflection because it gave Kiritsugu exactly what he had been doing his entire life and nothing more. It could not offer a miracle because Kiritsugu didn't have any other method beyond killing.
That's what makes him such a compelling character. He's always had different shades of gray in every situation he's been in. He didn't want to kill his first friend and tried sparing her, only to condemn the village in the process (albeit inadvertently). He kills everyone on a passenger plane, including his surrogate mother, all to ensure that a possible disaster could be contained and mitigated, even if it means killing those who weren't already infected with the bugs by some miracle. Even the hypotheticals he encountered while inside the grail has him trying to save as many people as possible at the cost of others. Yes, he ends up sacrificing the majority regardless once the hypotheticals build upon themselves and branch out, but he never loses that sense of moral ambiguity and joylessness at having to make such taxing decisions.
As for the Fuyuki fire, he only saved Shirou, but it wasn't for a lack of trying. He tries finding any survivors and quickly loses hope once the few he found and extracted from the ruins burned to ashes in his arms. By the time he found Shirou, he was passed the point of despair, which was why he was so relieved that he found someone who didn't die in his arms within the first 2 seconds of pulling them out of burning debris.
@@jeffreyherrera5069 I will agree that he is an awesome character writing wise but in real life he would be a criminal
At least in Kaleid he is happy
let’s be honest he dances between being a hero but does villain like things he an anti hero simple
Beautifully written
Love it
*Scrolls past this on my recommended
*Realizes*
OH SHIT!
*Scrolls up.*
He is a realist,
Kiritsugu thought he could bring about world peace via a wish granting mcguffin
@@thirdplanet4471 I know how to bring world peace, just kill off every man but me,
@@thirdplanet4471 Well that magic mcguffin is real in this universe
@@KhanhNguyen-mh5ec True but even if he had gotten his wish it might have led to that version of the world being pruned off and or grail corruption. Either way, his goal is unrealistic and unattainalbe otherwise it would have happened long ago before even he was born
The Grail is practically omnipotent, but not omniscient. It cannot bring forth a world that the holder cannot imagine. At the end, Kiritsugu believed he sought the Grail to save the world, but the truth was he sought the Grail for it to save it for him.
I may be late but hell if killing everything in fate can let me have a reality Then so damn be it
my goat
YOOO HE DID ANOTHER ONE
This video is absolutely masterful. I love this video and all your others on the nasuverse. Thank you for making this vudeo..
Also I appreciate you using clips from the dub as the Dub of the fate series, especially Zero, is a masterpiece and very underrated.
Kiritsugu is easily one of my favourite fictional characters ever.
Wait so this guy is part of a timeline split thing? I got to pick this series back up loved the first one I watched
Yup! Essentially every Fate series barring the main Zero/Stay Night series is an AU.
Fate uses AU stories to mix up its formula for fun twists a lot, and it makes for some cool what-ifs like a faction-based 14 servant war in Fate/Apocrypha or a foreign imitation grail war in Fate/Strange Fake. It's fun because it lets ya enjoy a lot of these stories out of order since they're mostly independent, but that's also part of why some people find the series confusing.
The main series is just Zero, then El Melloi Case Files, followed by whichever Stay Night series you like (there are 3 routes, and all of them have been adapted into anime at this point).
@@BlueDrakma I’ll have to read the wiki I watched the one where that guy fights the priest and it was probably my top 5 shows. I need to get back into it
@@BlueDrakma Isn't HA also part of the main series as well?
Basically he do what he thinks is the best
I'll be honest, I wasn't reading FGO thinking it was just a mobile game.. then the Garden of sinners and Accel Order came and I read those😱 I learned I was soo wrong.
Yeah I’m in the camp that hates Kerry and Illya. Wouldn’t say I hate Shirou, but I tend to not care about him all that much.
Honestly Shirou is one of the less interesting protagonists in my opinion. Kerry on the other hand though… yeah he can go straight to hell if you ask me.
I wouldn’t say Kerry’s a badly written character, cuz he’s not, but god I could never root for the man.
You aren't necessarily supposed to root for him. Kerry's story is supposed to be a criticism of utilitarianism
You know you're meant to dislike him right?
@@r.k845
Tell that to other members of the fandom. I’ve been told I should like him or at the very least sympathize with him. Which I don’t on either front
@@Alexzander1989 You'd be surprised just how often people misinterpret zero so that's not suprising.
I don't know, someone with unrealistic ideal about being a hero and actually went about trying doing it when they grown up and only fail and gain nothing but a broken mind and body do exist, I know someone like that before, when I look at kiritsugu I saw that guy too, cold, calculating, fucked up, brutal but still have good intentions of bringing salvation and ends all suffering which obviously isn't realistic of an ideal for anyone to have if anything they should grow up already but that's kinda the point of fate zero in general, cling to an unrealistic ideal and be blinded by it and only suffering will await at the end. The same thing can be said about the guy I was talking about, he abandoned , hurt and broke so many heart just to "save as many as he can" in fact the last thing he told me before he die is that "to save one you must hurt one, to save million you must hurt millions, that's what I learned after what happened and I want you to remember it too so i don't gotta see you up there way too early for your age"
Kiritsugu is literally what a guy with a Shounen character motivation of saving the world would end up as irl if they took that shit too literally and if the guy I was talking about is anything to go by its that kiritsugu is pretty realistic for a fictional nonexistent individual, he's not flawless, he have his mental warfare with himself and he damn sure is what would happen if one were too blinded by their ideals and belief to the point they disregard everything to seek for a miracle that doesn't exist while insisting that they are right.
The same thing can be said about you probably, you would and probably will deny everything I said here but that's just human nature to drown ourselves in our own beliefs to the point where we think we are right and they are wrong which kinda speaks for most character in fate zero, even saber if anything
Idk if it's ironic or not but you're pretty much the type of people these type of shows are telling to grow up because at the truth of every heroic fairytale is that if it was real then it won't be so pretty , epic, noble and wholesome.
I can tell you don't like him because of the shit he do and I'll tell ya what, that's some shit actual person with heroic morals of a generic protagonist inspiration of being a hero would turn out into in real life, hell I'm damn sure Spiderman wouldn't be so much of a smartass after few years of being a superhero due to the inevitable PTSD if he was real. You see that shit with kiritsugu if anything, at first he's literally just shirou but overtime he grew up and have a more realistic idea of how the world works so he doesn't think too unrealistically like he did before but it's the same regardless, he's blinded by ideal and belief like anyone in real life fucking would with anything in general.
Hey how can I watch the 4th episode of your abridged series and how long till you can post the videos on RUclips?
Patreon. Pledge at least $1 then find the post and you can watch it through Google. Please do not leak and ruin this for the rest of us.
Additionally, they have stated that the whole series will be posted all at once to RUclips when it is completed.
@@michaeldaniels642 We also premier the episodes as they come out in my discord! I’m going to be making the patreon link of 4 public after 5 comes out.
@@BlueDrakma I did not know that. Thank you. Unfortunately I am not at Discord level. Not because I don't want to be but, because I am not in a great place right now (lot of stuff has been screwing me over recently) and can't afford to go even slightly higher.
@@michaeldaniels642 The discord is free! It’s not a patron server, it’s just a community for the channel and my friends. The link’s in my channel banner.
The original Emiya the GOAT 🐐
Everything's is gonna alright you did the best you could... 🥺
Can you do a the core of kirei
Wait could someone tell/explain me about the second of kiritsugu ?
in the series there are no hero or villain beside 😊 Castor
Castor? That's a Greek hero 💀
6:07 hold on, who is talking there? Is it Kiritsugu or Kirei? Because I know whose voice that is. And by that I mean the voice actor and the only reason I know that is because that is very clearly similar to Alucard from Hellsing which means whoever is talking in that scene is voiced by Crispin Freeman.
Kirei is talking rn. He’s confused as to why Kiritsugu destroyed the grail despite his destructive methods to achieve it, hence “why did you kill your family”
@@rainbowdash9388 so, Crispin Freeman voices Kirei then. Thank you.
@@michaeldaniels642 he also voices Brooks in Fallout 4's DLC "Far Harbor". Which is always fun to see
Ppl shouldn't be allowed to criticize and judge a characters nature unless they themselves have been in a similar situation. Most ppl who watch fate are children on the inside... How could they grasp the reality. We live in a society of pets and vegans too bothered by the loss of life to stomach death. Kiritsugu is literally Thomas Wayne batman... The point is there's no perfect solution and someone has to take out the trash.
Damn. Guess I can't ever judge Kiritsugu because my father never conducted tests which turned all my friends and neighbours into vampires.
I was also never adopted by a half demon lady who sexually harassed me.
People should thank the fact that Alimango Island is not a real place, cause you clumsy-tongued dimwits keep butchering the word. It's A-li-ma-ngo, not A-li-mang-go, not A-ri-ma-go, A-ri-man-go. It's not Chinese or French, it's not that difficult. I'm a Southeast Asian an I have no problem pronouncing difficult English, Russian, or German words.
It sounds like something I want to eat either way.
Did I not pronounce it A-li-ma-ngo? Sorry, pronunciation doesn't come across well through text