This video took so long - for those who subbed since the last one, I'm so sorry it took this long. But I hope you enjoy it. I'm honestly floored with how many of you subbed and commented over the last 6 months, and I hope to get back on a normal schedule with this. My career keeps me insanely busy, and I will do a video addressing what that career is as well. This was a labour of love that I was obsessed with, even though the uploads to the channel may not seem to reflect it.. Thank you again. - Shaun (TechMixr)
@@jacobscudds So where I say that in the video, look above the modem 😂 Also, fun fact, there's a rumor that there's a service between 3 & 8 gig coming, so this just made me feel even worse about my schedule 🤦🏾♂
@@TechMixri'm hoping that is a 5 Gbps service and they then drop the 3 Gbps service to 2.5 Gbps. My OCD would bother me if I had the 3 Gbps service but only had a router that sync's at 2.5 Gbps and I had 500 Mbps on the line I couldn't use.
Hi, I also have Bell 3.0. Do you have issue with Network Latency problem when you using Advance DMZ? I currently did what you did, using Advance DMZ on my Firewall, and when I ping any DNS, out of every 8 or 10 times, I got either very high ping time or no respond. I goggle search Bell DMZ and I saw lot of people complaining with the same issue. The only way is to put my firewall and connect it though PPPoE but then I lose the speed.
Thank you Sir!! Just upgraded to Bell 1.5Gbps down and 1Gbps Up, using the Asus RT-AC5300 as my main Mesh Router. Advanced DMZ resulted in one crash after another from the Bell HH4000, so I ended up going PPPoE. Interestingly when I first tried PPPoE I could only get around 5-600Mbps but after all the restarts Im hitting high 900's both ways (limited by 1Gbps uplink). Ive Got a Asus ROG-AX6000 and QNAP QSW-M2108-2C on the way as I slowly will upgrade to a full AX mesh setup, with 2.5GbE Backhaul.
Yeah this video came out and then there was a firmware update to fix PPPoE in this router 😂 The reboot system worked for me, but now just using PPPoE has been solid. Some users of the gigahub are having issues but there apparently is a firmware update for it that resolves it. The only thing that’s consistent with technology is change 😂🤦🏾♂️
I was using an overkill pfsense firewall before switching to Bell FTTH. Ended up just using the Bell provided Gigahub, disabling wifi and using XT8 mesh connected to a MoCa for a wired backhaul. No issues.
I first watched your video months ago when Bell gave me a letter saying they’re rolling fiber out in my area. I watched part 1 back then and again a few days ago and thought “Still no Part 2?” Now Fibe is available, made the switch a few hours ago and it should be installed next week. After I got off the line with them, this is the first video that popped up. Lmao. I have an XR500 as I never thought this day would come and I’m wondering if I should go with this Asus router, a UDM Pro or just stick with the Homehub. Great videos, can’t wait for the next one!
Hahahaha synchronicity at its finest 😂 So my advice, try the HomeHub first. Then my advice is to use this router with the latest firmware, if the HomeHub can’t do the work you need (follow the instructions in the middle) The issue I’ve been reading about with the UDM is that in some cases, it throttles. This ASUS has been solid and the mesh setup is unbelievably good. My advice anyway. Thanks for watching and being patient with me 🙏🏾😂 - my work life is insane so this took 6 months longer than it was supposed to. But I feel this video’s quality is a marked improvement over part 1.
Great video! Really shows the effort that was put into it. I just subscribed to Bell 3 gbps last week and I am still troubleshooting and figuring out the best setup.
@@TechMixr I can’t seem to get a really steady connection speed using the Gigahub on the same device and sitting next to it. I also have a tp-link archer ax6000 that has a 2.5 gbps port. However, I maximum get around 1.5-1.6 gbps and nowhere close to the 2.5 gbps. I know there are many variables that have an impact on connection and WiFi but just trying to get the best of what I have.
This comment right here 💪🏾 This is why I did this video. To help people who want to get the max out of a setup like this. Thanks for the compliment! 🙏🏾
@@TechMixr Unfortunately after some Testing and fiddling had to go back to PPOE, DMZ was causing me to lose connection and reconnect every few minutes, something with the Bell modem.
@@Thulite reboot the HomeHub when that happens. Same thing happened to me. I mention this in the video. It just locks up- but rebooting only the HomeHub fixes it.
@@TechMixr I did a few times, would be fine for a bit then would repeat so not entirely sure. I'll fiddle with it more over the weekend when I'm not working 😀
@@Thulite did you update the firmware for the AX89X? They fixed PPPoE apparently so you can get full speed now with it 😂🤦🏾♂️ This video just got deprecated quickly 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
To answer the question and I do see someone commented already, but yes the diffrence between the MACs is due to a LAN Interface vs a WAN Interface. Most routers have these as two seperated physical interfaces so each one has it's own MAC. Typically they try to get away with incrementing the MAC by one digit/character and just to add a timbit of information MACs actually are broken into two parts. The first part of the MAC is suppose to identify the vendor of the device/network chip and the other have is suppose to be unique to the device.
Been waiting for this one. Funnily enough i've now become a bell customer a few months back thanks to a good promo. The 500/500 is treating me right. I used PPPoE on my Ubiquiti Edgerouter X. Everything has been smooth sailing, so i don't know if i need to bother with Advanced DMZ
That’s amazing! The EdgeRouter is one of the few that can process PPPoE frames it seems like! It may be the better solution if the hardware supports it. But majority of people don’t have that luxury (myself included) 😂 Thanks for waiting, sorry for the long turnaround 🙏🏾
This was an amazing video!! I don't know how I stumbled upon you, but I'm sure glad! I have the router that you have. I have 1 gig fiber, and I am being asked to test my ISP's 10 gig study. Of course, I'm only too happy to! LOL I currently connect the SFP+ port via OM3 fiber to a 16 port SFP+ 10 gig switch. The 10 gig RJ45 is connected with CAT8 to my Mac Studio. (convenience reasons) They want to use an Eero 7 as the test router, because they like the damned things. I don't like that the ASUS router has only 2 ports for 10 gig, as I would like to just feed fiber to fiber. Your video is teaching me some pitfalls and solutions to what I'm about to embark on. Thank you so very much!!
Been running the dual router setup via the switch for just over 2 years and LOVE IT! Thanks for the compliment on the video! Funny enough, my ISP (Bell) recently ended new sign ups for the 8 gigabit plan that I’m on. And after 5 months of not posting, I actually uploaded my thoughts on that video today. Here it is if you’re interested! ruclips.net/video/tn44zg0gL1c/видео.htmlsi=aEHlNqgWF-YKi3Qe
Hey Shaun! I'm getting this exact service installed on Wednesday with the HH4000, in the Toronto area. I have a home media server running Jellyfin on Ubuntu that I use to stream content across my home network as well as to friends that access my server through my domain. I'm aware I will need to setup a Dynamic DNS to get around the Dynamic IP that Bell uses, but if you have any additional suggestions that allow me to take full advantage of the speeds, including hardware and/or software changes, I'd love to hear it. Would even consider a network rack setup like you mentioned. Keep up the great work with your videos!
How did I miss this comment???! I wanted to mess w/ Jellyfin but I actually went with a Plex setup on my end. (I got a lifetime Plex Pass for an insanely good deal a few years back as a one-time purchase so I took it). Not to say I'm against Jellyfin as I see many raving about it - I haven't needed to change over (in fairness, I haven't read up on how much better it is than Plex, but I can imagine it's really really good). Maybe one day when I get a real server rack (and not the setup on the box like in this video) I may go down that road. Time will definitely tell there. I'd be very curious to see how well it works with Bell. In regards to hardware/software changes, the AX89X firmware addressed the PPPoE acceleration bug so I'm getting perfect speeds with using either PPPoE or Advanced DMZ (and for those reading this, DON'T USE BOTH - it's one or the other). Thank you so much for the compliment! 🙏🏾
I am lucky not to have Bell internet (3Gig), and I am in Canada as well; I am with Shaw Business and they never had a problem giving me 2 static IP's and bridge mode wasn't an issue. they made it happen without question and I am sticking with Shaw Business for this reason and I get 2.5 gig symmetrical as well as bridge mode and am very happy! TechMIXR, you should switch... just saying if you want bridge mode that badly, you should think about doing it! I have had Shaw Business Fiber Internet for years now and I love it!
If they offered Shaw here, it’d be tempting. Sadly, my only options are: - wait for Bell to figure it out- which they might, they are rolling fibre on Distributel with separate ONT devices that just give you a straight IP, although its PPPoE for now - wait for Rogers fibre - but risk stability. We all see how their network is.
Awesome video and completely underrated channel. You definitely got my sub! I recently got the Bell 1.5 Gbps plan and would like to at least fully utilize it. Questions: 1. I am planning on using a ROG Rapture GT-AX6000 instead of the AX89X. Would it work basically the same? 2. Could I instead get the fiber cord plugged straight into the ROG Rapture GT-AX6000 and then use the Giga Hub as a bridge? 3. Would plugging in a switch into the 10GbE allow me to split the Fiber signal to all wires? 4. If my understanding is correct you basically split the 10GbE port to the two routers and switch? It appears like the two Asus routers and switch as cascaded from that one 10GbE port alone. Thanks for the great video!
So I’m going to try answer all of this, sorry for the late response: 1. It should, but a few things I’m not sure of. I’d go with a router that has acceleration for PPPoE (a lot of routers don’t, the AX89X does) and also, considering that Bell has promos on for these services above the 2.5 gigabit ports on this router, you could be leaving speed on the table. 2. No, well, you might be able to in some sense by spending a lot of money on extra hardware when you’re better off just buying the AX89X and maybe bypassing the gigahub altogether with a little bit of hardware. The Gigahub won’t function as its own router without the fibre plugged into it. 3. You can’t split the fibre signal. You have to authenticate to the fibre via PPPoE. And even if you could do that, you’d only be able to login into it once. That’s why we do it this way. Fibre isn’t able to be split like old coaxial connections did. 4. So it’s a little different. Fibre goes to the modem, modem goes to the first router. Which at that point, makes the first router in charge of the house’s internal network and firewall to the internet. Then the first router goes into the switch, which essentially acts as a switch that adds 10GbE ports. 1 goes to my workstation, 1 goes my 2nd router at 10GbE to be the backhaul as a mesh node (a hard wired mesh node) so maybe that’s what you meant, but the topology reads a little different than you described. Hope this makes sense, thanks for the compliment on the video! 🙏🏾
Dude you are awesome!! Bell fibe is finally coming to Alliston where I live and yes was stuck on crappy Rogers for 2 years!! Any and I mean any info on where to place the modem and yes of course how to utilize every mb to a household that yes is connected with lots of kids would be appreciated!! Lots of knowledge with your vids!! I am a newbie here so if I ask lots of questions on your link do not be scared!! 🤙🤙🤙🤙
Good video. I am amazed you got to keep the HH4000 with the 3.0 Gbps upgrade. I had 1.5Gbps with the HH4000 and was using the Netgear RAX200, which has a 2.5Gbps port which can be used as a wan connection. Bell offered me the 3.0 Gbps for $5 less on a monthly basis so I took it (though I only get 2.5Gbps max with my current router). However, I had to upgrade my modem to bell's new Giga Hub, which only has one 5ghz band unlike the HH4000 which has two 5ghz bands so I went back to using my Netgear router. I am tempted to purchase the Asus AX16000 which has 2 10 gig ports that can be used for a wan connection, which would give me access to the full 3 Gig speed and futureproof me but my current router is only a few months old and was expensive as well so, even though I can afford it, I may just stick with what I have because I just use wifi throughout the house.
Thanks for the compliment! Evil me says sell your router and buy the ASUS 😂 I’d wait though, prices on them hopefully will drop later as supply chains improve.
@@TechMixr The evil me is also saying I should sell my current router and get the asus. However, despite current economic conditions, new technology just keeps coming out. Tp link has already released wifi 7 routers even though the wifi 7 standard is not fully complete yet and, as I said, I use wifi throughout my home and get very good speeds with my current setup. I did not even need the 3gig package but took it because I would be paying 5 bucks less. I guess that's technology for you...everytime you think you got the latest and greatest stuff, new stuff comes out and makes yours look old.
@@rahimpirbhai7109 the problems I have with upgrading - the cost - I’d want 2 of them because you know ….. SPEED 😂 - Wi-Fi 7 as you explained (I’d never jump on a new standard that’s not ratified yet- I’ve had friends with horror stories) - I don’t have a single Wi-Fi 6E device yet to even notice. One day I’ll make the move - but I should also save the money for a proper network rack and ditch the box I’m using for my home theatre rack 😂😂
Careful about the AX16000 - I saw on SNB forums that the CPU is not powerful enough to do 10G x 2. Might be an issue with acceleration being bugged though.
Very interesting video, I like how you dig technical. I have Bell 1.5Gbps (it goes even faster with ethernet). WIFI kind of sucks (600mbps) but it's alright for video streamings tbh I could have get 3Gbps for only $5 more per month but as you mention it's kind of useless : most of services like Steam cannot even provide that fast. I really don't see the point when you don't have a lot of people living in your house
@@TechMixr crazy! I don’t even know if it’s available here in Montreal! I am actually from France and a few years ago in Paris some carriers started to provide 10Gbps
I feel like it’s super overkill to be honest unless you have 20+ devices all concurrently using the connection and pushing its limits. IMO, for most people, 500 is overkill and gigabit is great for larger households.
Hi! Great video. I just got Bell 1.5 Fibre and wondering without a proper bridge mode, what is the most straight forward way to get good wifi around the house and connect an iptv box, ps5 and still use Fibe TV. Would the solution just be to get 1 or 2 of those Asus routers? Or get something like a TP-Link Deco etc. Mainly just on zoom for work, ps5 gaming and general heavy browsing and streaming? Thanks! Had a frustrating day with Bell on my installation day
So I use the 2 AX89X routers in AIMesh and have for a while now. Connecting 10GbE between them has been flawless. The best thing you can also do is download a wifi analyzer and manually throw the 5 GHz on a channel that’s not clogged up with other networks (do this on the first router). When AIMesh does its process, it’ll be on the same channel / SSID. Good luck!
Have you tried plugging the Bell facing SFP from the HomeHub directly into the QNAP switch and configure the switchport as a dot1q trunk with VLAN 35 for Internet ? Place the WAN interfaces on your ASUS routers in that same VLAN (untrunked) and send them off to the Internet link without going through the Homehub at all.
It’s an interesting idea! Unfortunately the switch is a budget friendly unmanaged model. I opted to manage my internal network via the ASUS. But I think this is something I may test when I upgrade my internal infrastructure down the road!
This is great info. I'm just about to get the 3GB Fibe. I was planning on just doing HH to 2.5GB switch for high speed stuff and regular 1GB switch (which I already have) for 1GB stuff. Is the purpose of the external routers purely for security? If it's for wireless speed, why not just use AP's to a PPPOE switch? Those ASUS routers are so expensive.
The Bell equipment has a hidden channel for their wireless TV that you can’t disable. And in the many people I’ve helped bypass the modem entirely (it can be done, find B3ll on discord / watch the 8 gigabit review video I posted after this one)- the difference is literally night and day. The other reason this ASUS is preferred is because unlike Ubiquiti’s offerings, the ASUS multi threads PPPoE and gets full speed consistently (it has for 2 years) where I have friends on Ubiquiti can’t get over 2.3 gigabit on 3 gig service. I get full 8 gigabit with virtually no CPU usage on the router while friends are maxing out the CPU on Ubiquiti to get much lower than the rated speed). It’s because PPPoE on that equipment is single threaded / CPU bound while on the ASUS it’s offloaded elsewhere. I hope this gives you some insight. Thanks for the compliment! 🙏🏾
Hello. Thank you so much for all your awesome videos! Finally a Canadian that speaks a techy language that I can understand and relate to! So bell will be installing the new HH4000( guigahub) this week and I’m switching from 1.5g to 3g plan as well. I’m wondering if your setup would be the best option for my situation? There’s 8 people in our 3500sqft 2 level house most of the time. I try to have as many devices as possible hardwired but we can get as many as 30-40 devices on the network sometimes? Anything from iPads, iPhones, MacBook pros, Apple tv’s , 2 Xbox consoles, smart tvs and smart doorbells and locks plus anything else that needs to be connected. At the moment I have an Asus rogue rapture ax11000 connected to the hh4000 using pppoe but I can’t say that it’s always stable for whatever reason. Would I be able to use my ax11000 along with the ax89x for your setup? And would do pppoe on both routers?
So I actually had that same router! (I gave it to my parents as they're on Rogers when I upgraded to the AX89X) - it REALLY helped dead-zones at their place as the old router I had set up for them via bridge mode basically died a horrific death after a long time. If I remember correctly, that router doesn't have PPPoE acceleration. But, this is what I would do if I were you. - Get the AX89X (or even the newer axe11000 although I can't validate performance. I would have purchased it, but I don't have any clients that are Wi-Fi 6E and as I write this, I see it on Amazon for $838 which I can't justify for how little I'm going to notice the difference now). Anyway, get the AX89X, UPDATE THE FIRMWARE IMMEDIATELY and then, do a PPPoE connection from the HomeHub to the AX89X. I know the Gigahub had issues connecting via PPPoE but some reading on DSLReports is saying that a firmware update is out there that fixes this (this is a fairly new development). Hardwire the AX11000 to it and set it up as an AIMesh node. Your 'backhaul' will be a wired connection, but the beautiful thing is, all your hardwired devices to the AX11000 will work perfectly. AND you don't need to do another PPPoE instance from the AX11000 as the first router will handle that. (which also means, because if that router doesn't have PPPoE acceleration, it won't matter as that part of the connection will be handled by the AX89X which DOES have PPPoE acceleration). I know this video says not use PPPoE - but the reason I'm saying to use it is because right after I published this video - I noticed ASUS fixed the PPPoE acceleration issues in the latest firmware. Been running it since the day after I posted this video - and it's amazing. Advanced DMZ is as well, but your mileage may vary (as you saw in the video I'm sure). You'll gain all the performance from that router where you hit the dead spots (providing it's set up far enough away from the AX89X) plus management will all be handled by the AX89X. And I'll be completely honest, AIMesh is 100x better than I was expecting. I thought it would have weird issues switching Wi-Fi networks or speed / connection issues on the 2nd router, but it's been nothing but FLAWLESS from my experience. Hope this helps! Funny side story, if it made sense, for all the people who have been curious about this setup in their homes, I truly wish I could just come and do the setups for you - but that's not reasonable LOL. Thank you so much for the awesome compliment and very good question! ❤🙏🏾
Thank you for the quick reply! So to clear, 1) am I using all the devices in your video? 2) am I using any of the 2.5g or 10g ports and if so for what devices ? 3) any particular settings and parameters I need to be aware of in the gigahub and both asus routers? Sorry, im obviously completely clueless when it gets a little more advanced😬 I just want to make sure im setting everything up so that I can maximize all the benefits of these expensive devices otherwise It’s just pricey toys sitting on a rack! ( or box 📦 lol) sorry that was too easy lol Thank you again for all the time and effort you put in for everyone here! 🇨🇦
@@TechMixr This is basically (excluding my planned 2.5gbe switch and MoCA adapters) what I plan on doing. Sounds like it's going to work out, wicked wicked.
Thanks for such detailed video. QQ for you; I've got the 3Gbps with Bell now. I keep having intermittent connection drops (LAN&WIFI). Starting to think it's related to the Fiber cable experiencing light issues. The technical rep did tack through the Fiber cable once when setting it up on the wall but confirmed the Fiber cable and signal weren't affected. Should I call Bell to request a rep and review the cable or this could be related to something else?
Sounds more like the Homehub/Gigahub is crashing. It COULD be the fibre cable, but typically if it was damaged, it just wouldn't connect often or at all. I would reach out to Bell. Are you using a separate router, or just the HomeHub.Gigahub? Also, if you're only using a Gigahub, I've seen a LOT of issues reported about it. Maybe you can request to swap your Gigahub for a HomeHub 4000. The only thing you'd be losing it WiFi 6E (WiFi 6 is a great standard) and the Giga badge on the front. But the stability of the 4000 has been pretty good (not perfect, but definitely better than the reports I've read about the Gigahub)
@TechMixr Thanks a bunch for chiming in! At the moment, I am only using the Gigahub. I'll definitely aim for a 4000 if this brings more stability. To avoid any interruptions in the future, I'd be willing to get an external router if that helps, like the one you've showcased. What would you say? Thanks again for your input. All the best.
@@itsdanmanole Well, I've been running the AX89X since 2021 and it's been fantastic, and even better with the firmware updates. Hint about the next video, avoid the ASUS AXE16000. Considering it's $200 more and I found the performance WORSE than my router it was disappointing when I tried it for a few weeks and couldn't get it to perform like my current router.
Can we see your whole networking setup and what it looks like. I got the gigahub in the basement as well and wanted to know how you have it set up for mainfloor and second floor?
Couple questions: 1) Do you think there is any increase in ping by going with a 3gbps service over 1.5gbps service? I’ve heard the dedicated line gets plugged into a 3gbps service hub at the main facility so the line is probably shared with less other households. Any chance this could provide a cleaner direct connection over the 1.5gbps or 150mbs services giving a better ping? 2) If all you cared about is gaming on an Xbox series X and wanting the lowest ping possible, do you think a hard wired connection directly to the bell provided modem on a 1.5GBPS service is the best way to connect or would you use bridge mode to another external gaming router? Will a hardwire always have a better ping than wifi? Just getting Bell fibre in my area after suffering with awful rogers service for years. Really appreciate the video and great insight!
Ok I'll try to answer these to the best of my abilities - and a lot of my information is based on talks with other Bell techs (I know 2 personally, 1 of which is my neighbor across the street, who actually did my install- and did a stellar job btw), also, I have an ongoing private conversation with the moderator on DSLReports who has been in contact w/ the modem team about some issues I had + I believe the modem team saw these videos, so if you're reading this... what up modem team! 😂 Ok, in all seriousness: 1) I speedtest like a fiend here to make sure things are right. I do this because having been on Rogers most of my adult life, I have PTSD about things going down. That being said, I went from 1.5 gbps service to 3 gbps service. Not a single change in ping at all. It fluctuates between 0ms - 2 ms via Ookla speedtest, and on XBox Series X, never over 35ms according to their speed test. There is no difference in connection between the 2 services. Also, to add on to this answer, and I need to stress this, the only thing higher tier connections are good for in terms of gaming, are updates. The actual gameplay will be the same across ALL fibre to the home packages. Ping and your internet package are not related. Period. It's when you do a 90 gig Call Of Duty update because modern game development is a joke... is when you see any difference between packages. But I've had the same experience at a friend's place who uses Fibe 50. Again, in-game makes no difference if you're on 3 gig or 50 megabit. 2). 1.5, 50 megabit, 3 gigabit, it will all be the same. To be honest, I'd rather use Advanced DMZ or PPPoE (if your router can handle PPPoE) on a separate router. There's no bridge mode, let me be clear - there is absolutely no bridge mode in any of the HomeHub routers. The reason I don't recommend using Bell's equipment for gaming is when it comes time to open ports for certain games (the ASUS router is amazing for this and makes it dead simple) & once you have a proper connection with a good external router, it's in a word, bliss. Honestly. The only time you'll ever have issues connecting to a game, is if you're in a party and someone in the party has a moderate NAT / a bad connection (like most technology, you're only as good as the weakest link) ... and the Wi-Fi question. I've tried the exact same server at the exact same time using a hard wired connection and having my wireless device very close to the router for optimal speed and ping. There's always around a 4-5 ms difference. As of writing this, Wi-Fi technology has never been as fast or as responsive as a hard wire. Period. Thank you for the questions. These were things I should have included in the video, but God only knows it would have taken an additional 6 months to get the video out at that rate LOL - hope it helps! Edit/ Addition: to add, the 3gbps lines are the same lines that 1.5 uses. When they switched my service there was no interruption. The difference isn’t in the pathway of the connection, the difference is, the areas that have 3 gigabit have a newer XGS-PON fibre cable running the service which is capable of more throughout. Hope that clears that up.
@@TechMixr That’s awesome! Really appreciate the detailed and quick reply! Ok so you can use your own router without having a bridge mode? I’ll watch a couple of your other videos. and maybe buy that Asus router you have. So the ideal basic setup for someone who is into competitive gaming would be HomeHub into a good router with Advanced DMZ with a hardwired connection into the Xbox? Also if running hardwire lines through my house to have hard wired boxed in different rooms is there a type of cable you recommend using to be future proofed for good specs or is CAT5 good for internal hardwire runs?
@@zachgreenwald So there's been an update to this guide in this video already when it comes to this router (technology always changes). I'd highly recommend this router, but just use PPPoE and make sure your firmware is updated to the latest one (that's crucial for PPPoE to work properly) Avoid CAT5. You can't do long runs with CAT5 and maintain good speed. CAT6 should be fine, but if you can get your hands on CAT8 (it's not much higher in terms of price) - get that. And remember, CAT7 is documented everywhere as not really being a true standard.
@@zachgreenwald No no, the pleasure was all mine. Thanks for watching & engaging! I hope to make more great videos and get more education / in depth comments from you and all the other people who have watched & subbed. Have a fantastic weekend!
@@mikewilde8801 .... I might have been on the show when I was 12 ... I also might have video evidence ... I also might throw it into a video at random ...... 😂
@@TechMixr Oh wow, so lucky! Hopefully they hooked you up with some sweet swag if you didn’t win. Would be hilarious to see that video. Have to assume it was recorded on VHS.
@@mikewilde8801 You know it! I actually posted it on my personal social accounts for friends and family and everyone had a great laugh, including myself 😂 I won’t spoil it, but I got some cool stuff 😎
Hey Like your Videos. I have the Bell 3GB UP and Down with the Ubiquiti UDM PRO SE. I noticed that the Download speed is usually around 1.8 GB however the upload speed is constantly 3GB. Have you tried your Bell service with an UDM PRO SE? Can you maybe do a video on this. I would greatly appreciate it. Another Question: I have been going back and forth with Ubiquiti support regarding the poor download performance. Ubiquiti support mentioned that it could be a interoperability issue with the modem/upstream router that could be causing this. Is this Possible? FYI I have replaced the UDM PRO and still same issue.
I did a video about Bell cancelling 8 gigabit. A friend of mine has the UDM Pro and has the same issue. We know why. It’s PPPoE. It’s explained in that video here: Bell Removes Its 8 Gigabit Offering & The CRTC Is Wild (My Honest Opinion) ruclips.net/video/tn44zg0gL1c/видео.html Thanks for the compliment 🙏🏾
So the issue with budget / consumer routers is that they won't typically handle speeds beyond gigabit well. PPPoE acceleration is not something you find on cheaper routers (it's a hardware feature) Something to keep in mind, once you cross the line of gigabit, things start to get pretty expensive. It's a pay to play thing unforunately. I don't have any recommendations beneath the AX89X I featured in the video. And you can feel free to try other routers, but with the amount of hassle to figure out which one will do it, you're probably bettter spending you time / money just getting something that's validated to work. Just my 2 cents anyway, hope this helps!
The MiktroTik CRS305-1G-4S+in is $250cdn, and has four SFP+ ports (the QNAP QSW-308S only has 3 SFP+ ports, and costs more). Also, if you're plugging in devices within a few feet of each other, you can use DAC cables and save like $150 because you won't need any transceivers. Also, you do have the option to use SFP-10G-SR transceivers and fibre optic cables instead of SFP-10G-T transceivers and cat 6/7/8 cable, which doesn't run as hot, uses less electricity, and doesn't have any crosstalk or EMI issues. Lots of great info here... especially with respect to configuring the Home Hub with the RT-AX89X. Btw, It wasn't clear in your video, maybe I'll have to watch it a couple more times, but does the RT-AX89X support 10Gbe backhaul if you have multiple routers? I'm assuming that only works when directly wired (not through a switch)?
Thanks for the comment & compliment! You’re right, DAC cables would work well in this case, but I also figure that it doesn’t hurt to have some transceivers so I went this route. The Mikrotik equivalent was priced way higher when I researched this and purchased mine so I’m glad there’s an even cheaper option now! And to answer your question about backhaul, I’ve tried without the switch and with the switch and they both work fine! I have a 10GbE backhaul through the switch going to the 2nd router and I get full speed across the board 👌🏾 (Currently the 2nd router is in the 2nd SFP port of the QNAP and the 1st router is in the first SFP port and I get full speed to the 2nd router going through the switch)
@@TechMixr there's also the TP-Link TL-SX3008F, which has eight SFP+ ports for $333. I didn't end up buying it because reviews said that it had a noisy fan, but I talked to someone who bought one, and he said it was very quiet. That's really awesome about the 10GbE backhaul working through a switch, as it means that some day in the future I could get a second one and still have the primary one connected to a 10GbE switch.
@@dereksnider7148 yeah at the end of the day, the switch is just doing what the router tells it for the most part (as an extension of sorts) Would you believe that right now, as I’m typing this- I noticed that ASUS fixed acceleration issues for PPPoE and I just switched it back and it’s working? I’m a little annoyed because my rant about PPPoE in the video no longer applies to this router 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
@@dereksnider7148 nah, I had reached out to them back in May about it- didn’t think it was getting fixed. Here we are lol Like we went back and forth about a few acceleration issues, and I even sent them videos and they responded asking me to try things. Also talked with the Bell modem team about it as well.
Hi, Could you please explain the full set up again ? why do we need QNAP QSW-308-1C 10GbE Switch if connecting Bell giga hub directly with AX89X? I am a bit confused on that part. Please help.
@@TheSalman200 I use this switch because I have more than 1 10 GbE client, and also, in this video I’m using AIMesh to connect 2 routers. If you only have 1 10 GbE machine, you don’t need the switch or a 2nd AX89X router. If you’re using the AX89X, update the firmware, under LAN - Switch Control, turn on NAT acceleration and login via PPPoE also, don’t use advanced DMZ anymore- this was changed after the video was posted as ASUS fixed their NAT acceleration in a firmware update.
@@TechMixr thank you for prompt replay. do I need to turn on Bridge mode to use Ax89X for PPPoE ? any other router recommendations as it's 2024. thanks. Actually I have 3GB connection but I don't get full speed. So was thinking to replace bell giga hub. But I am not finding any proper way or instructions.
@@TheSalman200so I purchased the ASUS Wifi 7 version of this router and it’s terrible. I’m sticking with these routers. The gigahub isn’t the issue, it’s NAT acceleration that’s the issue. Follow the steps and you’ll be fine. Bridge mode is the same as logging in with PPPoE. It MIGHT disable the wifi in the gigahub but I’m not sure.
@@TechMixr thank you for the help. I did follow all the steps & getting 3.5GB for download but not getting 3.5GB for upload. Speed test is good giga hub but not in Asus router.
Great video, thank you! I only want to upgrade from 1G (for which I am overpaying) to 1.5G, but i heard that old HH3000 which I am using is better than new GigaHub which Bell offers, so probably will not upgrade. I am only browsing, checking RUclips, Mails and Netflix with FireStick....
Are you actually using a separate router or only the Homehub? I’m asking because if you’re interested in bypassing it, then the 3000 is the better option, if you’re using the Homehub to connect all your devices, the 4000/Gigahub is the better option from what I’ve seen. The 3000 doesn’t have a great processor in it for routing, but it has a removable SFP that you can throw in a managed switch. If that’s not something you’re doing, do the upgrade and use the 4000/Gigahub - it will be much better.
@@TechMixr Thank you much for clear reply! No, i am simply using HH3000 for all devices. I was afraid that GigaHub doesn't support at all 2.4Ghz devices. But apparently it is incorrect - it does support. Thank you again!
Happy to help! The Homehub 4000 / Gigahub has been pretty good for the most part. There are some things about it advanced networking people hate. I’d probably be fine with it, but I’m a guy who tinkers (if you can’t tell by the RUclips channel) 😂
I still have my HH3000 with a 1.5G plan, still waiting on the best router that I can plug my SFP directly into. I have that HH3k/4k always leave wifi radios on even if you disable wifi
i think the Mac address is one character off because you're grabbing the LAN mac address but are u not connecting the asus router to the bell modem via the wan port? that would have a different mac address as its a different network interface. if u are connecting the LAN interface and not the wan, then u might be seeing a bridge mac address in one spot and the real physical mac address in another spot. i would guess on bell modem u see the bridge address and on the asus router u see the bridge address. if you're actually using the lan and not wan.
It seems to be a HomeHub bug (at least on mine) - I'm using a WAN port on the router. I've tried the default WAN port (which is limited to 1 gigabit) and it does the same thing. I've assigned the 10 GbE port I'm plugged into as WAN. On the ASUS router, if you don't use WAN, you MIGHT get an internet connection, but even then, you can't access all the other features (AIMesh won't function correctly, neither will guest network sharing and a few other things). So I'm definitely using the WAN port on the router.
oh shit... I just signed up for Bell 8 Gig service, I dont think my current network set up can even handle it, will you be doing a review of the 8gig service too?
@TechMixr I bought the AX89X based on your recommendation. Didn't splurge for the switch and the second router since one will do the job for my home. I followed the guide which I really appreciate. I'm not able to get the Asus router to populate a WAN? Just says disconnected. I have the router MAC address in the DMZ (mine shows the right MAC address) and have NSS set up in switch control. The IP is set to automatic. Is there anything else that needs to be configured on the HH4000 or AX89X? Does DMZ have to be turned on the ASUS router? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
Advanced DMZ is a pain for this ….. So first, try this. Don’t reboot the ASUS, just reboot the Homehub. The Homehub loves to freeze up if you change anything. It’s super annoying. Alternatively (don’t do the below and what I just wrote above together, it’s going to be one or the other) - This tip is from after the video was published, you can use PPPoE and not even bother with any advanced DMZ options - however, confirm that you’re on the latest firmware for the AX89X. Also, make sure NAT acceleration enabled and is set to NSS under switch control, then login via PPPoE via the ASUS under WAN -> internet connection Hope this helps, feel free to reply whether or not it worked and I’ll try to help, or congratulate you on getting it working 🙌🏾
@@themeedan It shouldn't ... but there are some stability issues with the Gigahub from what I've read. I'd see if you can get it swapped for a Homehub 4000. You would lose WiFi 6E as an option, but it's a lost point as you're probably just using WiFi off the AX89X anyway.
Hi TechMixr, my setup recently started flaking out on me. I'm not sure what changed, as I didn't change any settings, but was wondering if you had any surefire methods for getting things working properly when they randomly flake out. I'm thinking that the RX-AX89X is misbehaving because the network issues seem local, but it could maybe be the connection between the RX-AX89X and the GigaHub. I recall you said that sometimes you had to reboot things in a particular order?
So a couple of things - is your AX89X updated to the latest firmware? If not, do it which leads to the next thing…. - use PPPoE if you can. This video’s advice to use Advanced DMZ is now deprecated because ASUS fixed PPPoE acceleration in the latest firmware - the reboot order whenever there’s an issue is: - power everything off - plug in the Homehub/Gigahub - wait about 10-20 seconds, then power on the ASUS A note about PPPoE, use the b1 login credentials but do NOT use Advanced DMZ at the same time. It’s one or the other. PPPoE is accessed in the AX89X WAN settings - change it from “automatic” to “PPPoE” Let me know if that helps!
@@TechMixr where do I find my b1 login credentials? I'm about to factory reset the AX89X. It was using the firmware from last October. I don't think they've released anything since then.
@@dereksnider7148 Your b1 credentials are from Bell. If you don't have them, you may have to phone them to get them (explain that you need it for your router) There was was an update in October so it's version 3.0.0.4.386.47468 now - I hadn't done it as I was running a beta firmware to another issue before this got released where they patched PPPoE. If that's what you're running currently, you just need the b1 username & password.
@@TechMixr the factory reset seems to have done the trick… fingers crossed 🤞 It’s now set up using pppoe, so hopefully it’s in better shape than before.
Great vid - just upgraded to the Gigahub with 3gbps as it was actually cheaper to get the upgrade than to remain at my 1gbit speed. I have a GT-AX11000 right now and the firmware leaves a lot to be desired as far as switch configuration is concerned. Can't get that router to see 2.5gbit speed even though in the network status the port has negotiated at 2.5gbit. Those nice switching options that the AX89X has just aren't available... so I have an AX89X on the way and plan on using the AX11000 as part of my AIMesh. I'm currently using PPPoE to connect and have a pretty extensive table set up for certain clients that must connect to the internet through VPN. Can I still use the DHCP server on the AX89X if I put the router into advanced DMZ mode? Just turn off the DHCP server on the Gigahub. The plan is to go from the 10gbe RJ45 on the Gigahub to the SFP+ port on the AX89X for internet connectivity, then out from the 10gb rj45 port into 5 port unmanaged 2.5gbe switch, out of the switch into a goCoax 2.5gbe MoCA adapter, out of the 2nd MoCA adapter and into my AX11000 for the wired backhaul. Not quite as fancy and fast as what you have on your coffee table there, but will be a massive upgrade to my current infrastructure. Cheers, great vids.
In case anyone is looking into this setup here's what's working for me to get full speed to my clients: Gigahub 10Gbe RJ45 --> CAT6a --> Wiitek SFP+ adapter into 10Gbe SFP+ port on AX89X 10Gbe RJ45 port on AX89X --> CAT6a --> Mokerlink 5 port 2.5Gbe Switch 2.5Gbe port on Mokerlink --> CAT6a --> 2.5Gbe Network card on PC 2.5Gbe port on Mokerlink --> CAT6a --> 2.5Gbe USB Network Adapter on Synology DS918+ ASUS AX58U in use as an AI Node (iPhone 13 Pro gets 750mbps/750mbps next to it) Currently not working at proper speed (MoCA seems to cripple my switch for some reason) 2.5Gbe port on Mokerlink --> CAT6a --> 2.5Gbe goCoax MoCA --> In wall coax --> 2.5Gbe goCoax MoCA --> CAT6a --> 2.5Gbe Port on AX11000 I'm working on the MoCA stuff now to get the 2.5Gbe ethernet backhaul working on my node. Need to sort out how to get into the management of these MoCA adapters - they work but not properly. By that I mean they work fine client to client with no equipment between so it must be some kind of negotiation issue with the Mokerlink 2.5Gbe switch. Quite the topology ha ha.
Anyone who is paying attention to this (ha ha), I have that crazy topology working now. The only issue I now have is that the AX89X only reports 3gbps/1.5gbps for my down and up speeds, respectively - seems I'm only getting half of the upload speed as reported by the router. Client side Speedtest reports 2.5gbps/2.5gbps, so I'm not sure if it's just some kind of glitch with the router's integrated Speedtest implementation or not. @TechMixr much appreciated for doing the heavy lifting and getting the general network topology out to the wild. Cheers
Turn off QoS. That solved it for my buddy. I never had QoS enabled so I never saw this issue. QoS gets enabled when you run the game mode or any of those other modes. When you have an internet connection like this, those modes become meaningless to be honest. It’s handy for those on 100 megabit plans with low upload, but because we have all this headroom it actually hurts our connections. Thanks for the compliment, comments and for watching! 🙏🏾
I was looking for a much simpler, but good enough setup. My realtek 8125 cheap 2.5Gbe card works great on Ubuntu: 2300/1800Mbps. The same card only gives 1400/1800 in Windows. I can't understand why. Drivers, params... nothing solves this. Do you have any suggestions?
@@amitnf I’m on 8 gigabit now and yes, I get full speed. If you’re using the same router, make sure you’re on the latest firmware. Under LAN, go to the switch control tab and turn on NAT acceleration. The router will reboot. This enables hardware acceleration which allows the router to process PPPoE independent of the CPU. Without this enabled, the ASUS will try to do this via the CPU and will throttle. Hope this helps!
Perhaps the ASUS BE19000 or BE30000 to be honest. You get Wi-Fi 7 with those, but I can’t speak to whether or not it has NAT acceleration. I know the AXE16000 works with NAT acceleration and is Wi-Fi 6E- but the 2 I tried has terrible wifi performance with my Wi-Fi 6 devices no matter what I tried. Also, when I tested the AXE16000 - it didn’t have a switch for NAT control. It just did it by default. Also, something else to note about NAT acceleration. Once in a blue moon, a device on your network could cause it to get disabled. A simple reboot of the router fixes it (in my case, I have something in my home theatre rack that causes this issue) - it’s annoying but not a big deal at all to reboot once every few months.
@@TechMixrBTW- I have something I wanted to share with you in regards to bridge mode. Wanted you to try first as I have good success with it. Is there a way for me to DM it you first before I post publicly? TIA
I have a question I have the gigs hub and the rtax92u and am trying to do this but when I’m on the DMZ I don’t see the rtax92u there. Please help me out
You should see the router’s MAC address. It probably won’t say the actual model in the DMZ menu of the HomeHub. On the ASUS router, find the MAC address (not sure about the specific UI for the AX92U but it may be on the first page - the 2 tabs on the top right of the network map page.
Great video. I have Bell's 1.5 Gbps service but as you said in Part 1, if you don't have a 10 Gig NIC, you aren't able to use the bandwidth. I'd probably go 3 Gbps when it's available here just for giggles, but how much benefit am I actually going to see, is a question. My gaming desktop will like it with the Asus 10Gbps card I installed, but if I pull the trigger on 3 Gbps, I'll be able to pull content down faster than the sites can serve it up. I used Cat 6 to go from the one (!?!) GigaHub 10 Gbps port to my gaming desktop, and it works fine. Come on Bell. One 10 Gbps port? I suppose I could buy an expensive switch with 10 Gig ports and then buy the additional NICs, but I support infrastructure all day at work, I don't want to have to do it at home too.
Thank you so much for the compliment! Yeah, 10 GbE switches are much more cost prohibitive than the standard gigabit ones. Eventually I’m going to upgrade this setup when I get more 10 GbE clients at home but for now, it’s running beautifully. Again, I seriously appreciate the view and compliment on the video!
I'm also from Ontario Canada and it's available in my area so hopefully the 8 Gigabit service will be available in your area soon so you can review it.
Why not put both ASUS routers into AP mode, disable wifi on the Bell router, but keep your wired back haul? Just upgraded from Bell Fibe 1Gbps to 3Gbps, they made me also get the Giga modem, previously had the HH4000. Purchased a TP-Link AXE11000 2-pack from Amazon (Prime Day deal), going to try to connect one to the Bell Giga Hub via CAT8 and then connect the other one via WIFI 6GHz backhaul - it's difficult for me to run wired between the two Deco units.
I have the same internet plan in Montreal, but for some reason when I’m downloading a big file (doesn’t matter if is in windows or Mac) the download stops after 1min and then is not posible to continue downloading… anyone have the same problem? Even when I’m updating/downloading a game from epic game store, the speed goes to 0kbps for 40seconds and then returns at 40Mbps/sec (no nominal speed)
Bell still hasn’t have fibre to the home in my area and I have been waiting, currently on rogers. Do you know if there’s a way of getting it immediately?
Unfortunately it seems that they’re prioritizing areas that have really old Bell infrastructure. I lucked out because my area was only able to get 5 megabit down back in 2021 and there was a new condo nearby that had been built in 2019 that had a new fibre run. It’s really luck of the draw unfortunately.
@@icepac deadspot coverage on the other side of the house (especially the backyard past the brick wall on the opposite side of the house) If you don’t have range issues in your residence, then you don’t need 2 of these, and if you do, a range extender would suffice. I just wanted another accessible 10 GbE port where I positioned the router for coverage for the backyard.
@@TechMixr thanks. so can I make the setup work with just 1 ASUS AX89X straight to Bell Giga Hub without the need for the QNAP switch and the second ASUS AX89X? Same set-up with your other video for the 1.5 Gbps ?
Also what do you think about ASUS ROG Rapture Wireless AX11000 Tri-Band Wi-Fi 6 Router (GT-AX11000 Pro)? will this work to achieve my 3Gbps wifi Internet speed? My coverage area is not that complicated and doesn't have much deadspot.
I would stick with the AX89X - I tried the newer routers and found that my ASUS even as a single router had much more stable throughput overall. I ended up returning many of them.
@@FrostyBrows the latest firmware update on my 4000 has stopped it from re-enabling on mine. I’d go to Bell Direct and ask Bell_Dom if you’re on the latest. Btw- that 8 gig video could be coming soon …….
Unfortunately yes. I believe (and this is only my opinion) that Bell leaves this as default behaviour for when they’re troubleshooting (aka when a tech is on site at a house troubleshooting issues). It’s something that should be disabled, or at the very least, there should be an option in the HomeHub that stops this behaviour optionally.
Unfortunately this isn’t possible unless you have the transceiver from Bell which you’ll only get with a HomeHub 3000. The transceiver is built into the motherboard on the 4000 therefore it’s not removal so from a standpoint of not violating Bell’s terms of service it’s not possible. I’m not even sure it’s possible even if you tried 3rd party ways to be honest - because Bell can freely login to the modem (they’ve done so with mine) and if your modem is offline but you’re on their network- they could easily ban your account. Just some things to think about from the hours I spent reading about it on the dslreports forum and Reddit.
I got the 3.0gig not too long ago, been pretty pleased with it. Downloading games or other entertainment at 210-270mbs./sec. It can feel like a hit-and-miss sometimes, though.
Home hub 4000 is the thing keeping me from using bell fibre. Glad to know it is possible to use my own router, but it's just so unnecessarily annoying.
There isn’t a true bridge mode on the homehub 4000 / gigahub. We have to use PPPoE, even with Bell’s almost-bridge mode. It’s not ideal. Maybe I’ll do a new video explaining the bypass, the benefits and what Bell is still getting wrong.
I got the bell 1.5 but never see those speeds (haven't even hit 1 gig) I am using the modem + TP-Link deco xe-75 pro, connected to the giga hub via the 10 gig port on the mode + 2.5 gig port on the router. Haven't changed any settings on either device and I'm using wifi 6 clients. What am I doing wrong?
Are you trying to get this with Wi-Fi 6 or wired? Because Wi-Fi 6 isn’t capable of sending gigabit - you’ll be limited to an absolute max around 850ish megabit.
@@TechMixr ideally wireless but I guess if I can't then it will have to be wired. Not even with WiFi 6E? The issue is that the Deco XE-75 PRO only includes one 2.5 GB port, and two 1GIG ports, so at least one of the units will be capped at at 1 GIG even with a wired backhaul, unless there is a way around this by adding a switch perhaps?
Switching to 3Gb on Bell next Tuesday. Been reading that the Giga Hub is absolute ass. Damn I just wish they would give us a bridged mode, why is that too much to ask for...
Unfortunately you can’t. The SFP port can only sync at gigabit or 10 gigabit if you pull the SFP from the HomeHub 3000. It needs to sync at 2.5 GbE. And you can’t use a different SFP than Bell provides as it won’t authenticate.
I wish I knew! Loving my pair of AX89X routers and really want to avoid messing with the network as it’s been flawless for months now 😂 Maybe I’ll get my hands on one and do some tests. But don’t expect it anytime soon 😂
Ok, so ..... I purchased the AXE16000 and apparently it's enabled by default and there's no way to disable it. Which is a good thing. HOWEVER .......... the Wi-Fi performance, no matter what I do, is about 1/3 of the performance of my original AX89X. I've tried all the firmware versions available (which took a long time to test) - to be honest, grabbing a transceiver or DAC cable (depending on your network setup of course) and using the AX89X is the better way to go. Also, remember, the AX89X has 4 more gigabit ports, and the processor is faster. You can't run merlin on the AX89X, but if that's not your use case, avoid the AXE16000 - this is part of a bigger video I'm working on now. Hope to have it out soon. Stay tuned.
@TechMixr looking forward to the video. I'm on Bell's 3gb connection with the 16000 connected through PPPoE not DMZ/ADMZ. While I can get 3 down from the router speed test, max I can get for upload EVER is 1.3. QOS is off as is any gaming modes. AiProtection also turned off. Did you notice this as well or just the wifi issue?
So it's not just me that has to reboot the damned HH4000 when I do network changes. That said, great service, rock solid. As for Rogers -- hopefully their fibre network is better than their cable. Daily outages with them 8am and 10pm, I don't miss that once Bell had FTTH.
@@TechMixr yeah, the consistency of Bell makes it worth the switch. Also with Rogers, it would have to reconfigure my VoIP ATA's every 30 days (like clockwork), as Rogers would kick off the current server. This never happened with Bell. Your video, btw, is great. Thanks!
If it comes to my area, you better believe that video is coming. I don’t want to strictly cover internet on the channel, but…… don’t think I haven’t been actively inquiring about this!
The Homehub 4000 and the GigaHub are 2 separate devices, they don’t work with one another. They’re both Bell modems. If you mean does the 4000 have the same issues as the Gigahub, then I believe the 4000 is more stable for certain things- but my understanding from chatting with the moderator on DSL Reports, they’re rolling firmware out that should alleviate a lot of it.
Have you tried logging in with PPPoE using your b1 bell credentials and password? That’s honestly the closest to bridge mode you’ll get and it works really well when it works. The router in this video at the time I recorded only worked well with advanced DMZ. This changed with a firmware update to the router, but your nighthawk may not have that issue. Is it a homehub 4000 or gigabhub?
So a few things here: You won’t get close to 8 gigabit on wifi as it stands currently. The closest you may get is with Wifi 7 but the odds are, you and 99% of people don’t have access to that yet as it’s not mainstream at all as of yet. I’ve seen speeds beyond 1 gigabit and even up to 3 gigabit on wifi 7, but in reality, with most wifi 6 devices, you’ll cap around 850 megabit in optimal conditions. I can’t speak to wifi 6E, maybe someone here can chime in. That leads to cabling. To get the optimal speed / lowest latency, this really is the only way currently. If your motherboard has a 10 GbE port, you’ll have to run the wire to your modem. If you don’t have a 10 GbE port, you’d have to grab a 10 GbE PICE network card OR a Thunderbolt 3 adapter (if your PC has Thunderbolt 3) I’d advise against the Thunderbolt 3 option as the network adapters are priced really high and Thunderbolt 3 on Windows can sometimes be a headache. Hope this helps!
The ones I use in this video are stellar. Seamless switching between networks (I have some apps that disconnect even if the connection breaks for a split second) - these 2 in AIMESH mode work flawlessly in complete former dead-zones and those apps don’t disconnect which seriously surprises me!
CAT5E is only good for gigabit (even if it could do more, you might be able to for a few feet at best) so using it in the 10GbE port would be pointless unfortunately.
@@TechMixr thanks for your reply. I know that but I don’t have another option here. That’s why I want to know if the HH4000 supports NBASE-T because if it does it will help me a lot. Do you have any information on that?
@@klipe18 I can't see the 1 GbE ports not working with those cables. But if you're going to go the router of near or beyond gigabit speed for your internet connection, you may be better just running new cable if it's at all possible.
@@TechMixr I know that is not the best environment here but to pass another a cable is not possible. NBASE-T is my only solution I just need to know if Bell HH4000 is compatible with that, if it is I’m good, we use this technology at work and we can reach close to 4Gb over cat5e.
@@klipe18 I'm pretty sure it should work, it still uses the ethernet protocol no? I don't have any old CAT5E cables to test with, but I can't imagine it doesn't work.
Hey pro I have modem Nokia I want put it in bridge mode I know how to do it in pppoe connection but my isp use iPoe connections so the way can by different can you help my with Gides or setup you know
They do have 8 gigabit yes …….. …….. there’s a chance a video is coming based on some conversations I had - I don’t have the service yet. But the operative word ….. is “yet” Stay tuned …. 👀
Bro, I just got Bell's 8 gigabit service.... its slower than the 1gig I had before. so Im watching this video for the 3rd time to see if I can remedy this. Bell isnt very helpful at all when it comes to setting things up, they just say "it works on our end".
@@TechMixr yeah I was. previously I had a Deco M5 mesh wifi setup ( along with a basic 1gig switch) which worked well. Im completely removing that and picking up an Asus gt-axe 16000 I found for $550, along with one Asus 10gbps NIC for my main computer. I'll basically use the other 4 1gig ports on the router to connect the other things that I need, along with a 2.5gig connection to my NAS. Only thing worrying me is the connection from the Bell modem to the Asus router, Im in a new building with Cat5e and Cat6e wiring, but I dont know which is which and where they go.
So on the Bell modem - the last port is a 10 GbE port. Go from that to your new ASUS I’d advise you plug everything you use into the ASUS’ remaining gigabit ports. You may have issues communicating with them with them separated like that. For example, in my house, the only Ethernet cord plugged into my Bell modem is the ASUS. Everything else is branched off the ASUS router and everything connects flawlessly.
Thanks for the video. Rogers is keep giving me deals but sorry bud you don’t even offer symmetrical internet. I work from home with large CAD files and your up speed is not going to work.
This video took so long - for those who subbed since the last one, I'm so sorry it took this long. But I hope you enjoy it.
I'm honestly floored with how many of you subbed and commented over the last 6 months, and I hope to get back on a normal schedule with this. My career keeps me insanely busy, and I will do a video addressing what that career is as well.
This was a labour of love that I was obsessed with, even though the uploads to the channel may not seem to reflect it..
Thank you again. - Shaun (TechMixr)
"before bell releases another service" also them: "releases 8gb"
@@jacobscudds So where I say that in the video, look above the modem 😂
Also, fun fact, there's a rumor that there's a service between 3 & 8 gig coming, so this just made me feel even worse about my schedule 🤦🏾♂
@@TechMixri'm hoping that is a 5 Gbps service and they then drop the 3 Gbps service to 2.5 Gbps. My OCD would bother me if I had the 3 Gbps service but only had a router that sync's at 2.5 Gbps and I had 500 Mbps on the line I couldn't use.
Hi, I also have Bell 3.0. Do you have issue with Network Latency problem when you using Advance DMZ? I currently did what you did, using Advance DMZ on my Firewall, and when I ping any DNS, out of every 8 or 10 times, I got either very high ping time or no respond. I goggle search Bell DMZ and I saw lot of people complaining with the same issue. The only way is to put my firewall and connect it though PPPoE but then I lose the speed.
Bro.. this needs to blow up. Your videos literally have the best info
This means a lot ❤️🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
I feel bad it took me 6 months - but comments like this make it worth it.
I have 1.5 from Bell, connected to SFP on my UDM Pro, then a Unifi Flex 10g switch, get 1.7 gps ... love your videos!
Thank you! 🙏🏾❤️
Just need to post more of them 😂
You’re videos are very detailed, and I appreciate that you are from Canada as well.
Thanks! 🙏🏾
I really wanted to convey everything I could. Hope to continue to do so in future videos.
Thank you Sir!! Just upgraded to Bell 1.5Gbps down and 1Gbps Up, using the Asus RT-AC5300 as my main Mesh Router. Advanced DMZ resulted in one crash after another from the Bell HH4000, so I ended up going PPPoE. Interestingly when I first tried PPPoE I could only get around 5-600Mbps but after all the restarts Im hitting high 900's both ways (limited by 1Gbps uplink). Ive Got a Asus ROG-AX6000 and QNAP QSW-M2108-2C on the way as I slowly will upgrade to a full AX mesh setup, with 2.5GbE Backhaul.
Yeah this video came out and then there was a firmware update to fix PPPoE in this router 😂
The reboot system worked for me, but now just using PPPoE has been solid. Some users of the gigahub are having issues but there apparently is a firmware update for it that resolves it.
The only thing that’s consistent with technology is change 😂🤦🏾♂️
I was using an overkill pfsense firewall before switching to Bell FTTH. Ended up just using the Bell provided Gigahub, disabling wifi and using XT8 mesh connected to a MoCa for a wired backhaul. No issues.
Another Man of Class I see with the RetroKid sweater!!! Glad to see you back!
Great to be back …. That sweater is the most comfortable thing ever. I get a lot of comments about it 😂👌🏾
I first watched your video months ago when Bell gave me a letter saying they’re rolling fiber out in my area. I watched part 1 back then and again a few days ago and thought “Still no Part 2?” Now Fibe is available, made the switch a few hours ago and it should be installed next week. After I got off the line with them, this is the first video that popped up. Lmao. I have an XR500 as I never thought this day would come and I’m wondering if I should go with this Asus router, a UDM Pro or just stick with the Homehub. Great videos, can’t wait for the next one!
Hahahaha synchronicity at its finest 😂
So my advice, try the HomeHub first. Then my advice is to use this router with the latest firmware, if the HomeHub can’t do the work you need (follow the instructions in the middle)
The issue I’ve been reading about with the UDM is that in some cases, it throttles. This ASUS has been solid and the mesh setup is unbelievably good. My advice anyway.
Thanks for watching and being patient with me 🙏🏾😂 - my work life is insane so this took 6 months longer than it was supposed to. But I feel this video’s quality is a marked improvement over part 1.
I have asus gt-ax6000 it got 2.5g port and it works great with my cat 8 cable no problems
Your ping is my download speed, my ping is your download speed. Nice video bro👍👍
I've been looking for this exact thing for so long. I've seen similar but not quite the same & not what I needed. Thank you.
Great video! Really shows the effort that was put into it. I just subscribed to Bell 3 gbps last week and I am still troubleshooting and figuring out the best setup.
Thank you so much for the compliment! 🙏🏾
What kind of troubleshooting are you doing?
@@TechMixr I can’t seem to get a really steady connection speed using the Gigahub on the same device and sitting next to it. I also have a tp-link archer ax6000 that has a 2.5 gbps port. However, I maximum get around 1.5-1.6 gbps and nowhere close to the 2.5 gbps. I know there are many variables that have an impact on connection and WiFi but just trying to get the best of what I have.
@@NassimNajm are you using PPPoE, or Advanced DMZ?
I tested DMZ. Still trying different things. I will let you know what ends up working best.
This was super helpful for me as I have the Bell HH 4000 and the AX89X setup as PPOE and changing it around my speeds improved.
This comment right here 💪🏾
This is why I did this video. To help people who want to get the max out of a setup like this. Thanks for the compliment! 🙏🏾
@@TechMixr Unfortunately after some Testing and fiddling had to go back to PPOE, DMZ was causing me to lose connection and reconnect every few minutes, something with the Bell modem.
@@Thulite reboot the HomeHub when that happens. Same thing happened to me. I mention this in the video. It just locks up- but rebooting only the HomeHub fixes it.
@@TechMixr I did a few times, would be fine for a bit then would repeat so not entirely sure. I'll fiddle with it more over the weekend when I'm not working 😀
@@Thulite did you update the firmware for the AX89X? They fixed PPPoE apparently so you can get full speed now with it 😂🤦🏾♂️
This video just got deprecated quickly 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
To answer the question and I do see someone commented already, but yes the diffrence between the MACs is due to a LAN Interface vs a WAN Interface. Most routers have these as two seperated physical interfaces so each one has it's own MAC. Typically they try to get away with incrementing the MAC by one digit/character and just to add a timbit of information MACs actually are broken into two parts. The first part of the MAC is suppose to identify the vendor of the device/network chip and the other have is suppose to be unique to the device.
Been waiting for this one. Funnily enough i've now become a bell customer a few months back thanks to a good promo. The 500/500 is treating me right. I used PPPoE on my Ubiquiti Edgerouter X. Everything has been smooth sailing, so i don't know if i need to bother with Advanced DMZ
That’s amazing!
The EdgeRouter is one of the few that can process PPPoE frames it seems like! It may be the better solution if the hardware supports it. But majority of people don’t have that luxury (myself included) 😂
Thanks for waiting, sorry for the long turnaround 🙏🏾
@@TechMixr Keep up the great content man 🙏🏾🙏🏾 👍👍
This was an amazing video!! I don't know how I stumbled upon you, but I'm sure glad! I have the router that you have. I have 1 gig fiber, and I am being asked to test my ISP's 10 gig study. Of course, I'm only too happy to! LOL I currently connect the SFP+ port via OM3 fiber to a 16 port SFP+ 10 gig switch. The 10 gig RJ45 is connected with CAT8 to my Mac Studio. (convenience reasons) They want to use an Eero 7 as the test router, because they like the damned things. I don't like that the ASUS router has only 2 ports for 10 gig, as I would like to just feed fiber to fiber. Your video is teaching me some pitfalls and solutions to what I'm about to embark on. Thank you so very much!!
Been running the dual router setup via the switch for just over 2 years and LOVE IT!
Thanks for the compliment on the video! Funny enough, my ISP (Bell) recently ended new sign ups for the 8 gigabit plan that I’m on. And after 5 months of not posting, I actually uploaded my thoughts on that video today. Here it is if you’re interested! ruclips.net/video/tn44zg0gL1c/видео.htmlsi=aEHlNqgWF-YKi3Qe
I watched it! I hope you continue your videos! Thanks again!!
Awesome video!! Hoping for the bridge mode some day as well🙃
Hey Shaun! I'm getting this exact service installed on Wednesday with the HH4000, in the Toronto area. I have a home media server running Jellyfin on Ubuntu that I use to stream content across my home network as well as to friends that access my server through my domain. I'm aware I will need to setup a Dynamic DNS to get around the Dynamic IP that Bell uses, but if you have any additional suggestions that allow me to take full advantage of the speeds, including hardware and/or software changes, I'd love to hear it. Would even consider a network rack setup like you mentioned. Keep up the great work with your videos!
How did I miss this comment???!
I wanted to mess w/ Jellyfin but I actually went with a Plex setup on my end. (I got a lifetime Plex Pass for an insanely good deal a few years back as a one-time purchase so I took it). Not to say I'm against Jellyfin as I see many raving about it - I haven't needed to change over (in fairness, I haven't read up on how much better it is than Plex, but I can imagine it's really really good). Maybe one day when I get a real server rack (and not the setup on the box like in this video) I may go down that road. Time will definitely tell there.
I'd be very curious to see how well it works with Bell. In regards to hardware/software changes, the AX89X firmware addressed the PPPoE acceleration bug so I'm getting perfect speeds with using either PPPoE or Advanced DMZ (and for those reading this, DON'T USE BOTH - it's one or the other).
Thank you so much for the compliment! 🙏🏾
Well done.....I shared this with my co workers
Appreciate it, thank you! 🙏🏾
great info....cant wait to see whats coming next good job.
Thanks for the compliment! 🙏🏾
I am lucky not to have Bell internet (3Gig), and I am in Canada as well; I am with Shaw Business and they never had a problem giving me 2 static IP's and bridge mode wasn't an issue. they made it happen without question and I am sticking with Shaw Business for this reason and I get 2.5 gig symmetrical as well as bridge mode and am very happy! TechMIXR, you should switch... just saying if you want bridge mode that badly, you should think about doing it! I have had Shaw Business Fiber Internet for years now and I love it!
If they offered Shaw here, it’d be tempting.
Sadly, my only options are:
- wait for Bell to figure it out- which they might, they are rolling fibre on Distributel with separate ONT devices that just give you a straight IP, although its PPPoE for now
- wait for Rogers fibre - but risk stability. We all see how their network is.
Awesome video and completely underrated channel. You definitely got my sub! I recently got the Bell 1.5 Gbps plan and would like to at least fully utilize it.
Questions:
1. I am planning on using a ROG Rapture GT-AX6000 instead of the AX89X. Would it work basically the same?
2. Could I instead get the fiber cord plugged straight into the ROG Rapture GT-AX6000 and then use the Giga Hub as a bridge?
3. Would plugging in a switch into the 10GbE allow me to split the Fiber signal to all wires?
4. If my understanding is correct you basically split the 10GbE port to the two routers and switch? It appears like the two Asus routers and switch as cascaded from that one 10GbE port alone.
Thanks for the great video!
So I’m going to try answer all of this, sorry for the late response:
1. It should, but a few things I’m not sure of. I’d go with a router that has acceleration for PPPoE (a lot of routers don’t, the AX89X does) and also, considering that Bell has promos on for these services above the 2.5 gigabit ports on this router, you could be leaving speed on the table.
2. No, well, you might be able to in some sense by spending a lot of money on extra hardware when you’re better off just buying the AX89X and maybe bypassing the gigahub altogether with a little bit of hardware. The Gigahub won’t function as its own router without the fibre plugged into it.
3. You can’t split the fibre signal. You have to authenticate to the fibre via PPPoE. And even if you could do that, you’d only be able to login into it once. That’s why we do it this way. Fibre isn’t able to be split like old coaxial connections did.
4. So it’s a little different. Fibre goes to the modem, modem goes to the first router. Which at that point, makes the first router in charge of the house’s internal network and firewall to the internet. Then the first router goes into the switch, which essentially acts as a switch that adds 10GbE ports. 1 goes to my workstation, 1 goes my 2nd router at 10GbE to be the backhaul as a mesh node (a hard wired mesh node) so maybe that’s what you meant, but the topology reads a little different than you described.
Hope this makes sense, thanks for the compliment on the video! 🙏🏾
Dude you are awesome!! Bell fibe is finally coming to Alliston where I live and yes was stuck on crappy Rogers for 2 years!! Any and I mean any info on where to place the modem and yes of course how to utilize every mb to a household that yes is connected with lots of kids would be appreciated!! Lots of knowledge with your vids!! I am a newbie here so if I ask lots of questions on your link do not be scared!! 🤙🤙🤙🤙
They told me I needed a Bell Gigahub which is a HH4000 with Wifi 6E.
Good video. I am amazed you got to keep the HH4000 with the 3.0 Gbps upgrade. I had 1.5Gbps with the HH4000 and was using the Netgear RAX200, which has a 2.5Gbps port which can be used as a wan connection. Bell offered me the 3.0 Gbps for $5 less on a monthly basis so I took it (though I only get 2.5Gbps max with my current router). However, I had to upgrade my modem to bell's new Giga Hub, which only has one 5ghz band unlike the HH4000 which has two 5ghz bands so I went back to using my Netgear router. I am tempted to purchase the Asus AX16000 which has 2 10 gig ports that can be used for a wan connection, which would give me access to the full 3 Gig speed and futureproof me but my current router is only a few months old and was expensive as well so, even though I can afford it, I may just stick with what I have because I just use wifi throughout the house.
Thanks for the compliment! Evil me says sell your router and buy the ASUS 😂
I’d wait though, prices on them hopefully will drop later as supply chains improve.
@@TechMixr The evil me is also saying I should sell my current router and get the asus. However, despite current economic conditions, new technology just keeps coming out. Tp link has already released wifi 7 routers even though the wifi 7 standard is not fully complete yet and, as I said, I use wifi throughout my home and get very good speeds with my current setup. I did not even need the 3gig package but took it because I would be paying 5 bucks less. I guess that's technology for you...everytime you think you got the latest and greatest stuff, new stuff comes out and makes yours look old.
@@rahimpirbhai7109 the problems I have with upgrading
- the cost - I’d want 2 of them because you know ….. SPEED 😂
- Wi-Fi 7 as you explained (I’d never jump on a new standard that’s not ratified yet- I’ve had friends with horror stories)
- I don’t have a single Wi-Fi 6E device yet to even notice.
One day I’ll make the move - but I should also save the money for a proper network rack and ditch the box I’m using for my home theatre rack 😂😂
Careful about the AX16000 - I saw on SNB forums that the CPU is not powerful enough to do 10G x 2. Might be an issue with acceleration being bugged though.
@@jordanholmesedtech it may be addressed in a firmware update. My older AX89X does it fine. And they JUST fixed PPPoE it looks like 🤦🏾♂️
Very interesting video, I like how you dig technical.
I have Bell 1.5Gbps (it goes even faster with ethernet). WIFI kind of sucks (600mbps) but it's alright for video streamings tbh
I could have get 3Gbps for only $5 more per month but as you mention it's kind of useless : most of services like Steam cannot even provide that fast. I really don't see the point when you don't have a lot of people living in your house
Makes you wonder if I should do a Bell 8 Gig video ......... I'll give you a hint, it's coming sooner than you think 😉
@@TechMixr crazy! I don’t even know if it’s available here in Montreal! I am actually from France and a few years ago in Paris some carriers started to provide 10Gbps
@@monseigner1439 it could be! Btw, a new video on this fibre topic just went up if you haven’t seen it yet …… 😊💪🏾
I just got the 1.5Gig and I'm quite happy with it, using an Asus AX6000 router (2x2.5gig port). Bell does not offer 3Gig here at the moment.
I feel like it’s super overkill to be honest unless you have 20+ devices all concurrently using the connection and pushing its limits.
IMO, for most people, 500 is overkill and gigabit is great for larger households.
Hi! Great video.
I just got Bell 1.5 Fibre and wondering without a proper bridge mode, what is the most straight forward way to get good wifi around the house and connect an iptv box, ps5 and still use Fibe TV.
Would the solution just be to get 1 or 2 of those Asus routers? Or get something like a TP-Link Deco etc. Mainly just on zoom for work, ps5 gaming and general heavy browsing and streaming?
Thanks! Had a frustrating day with Bell on my installation day
So I use the 2 AX89X routers in AIMesh and have for a while now. Connecting 10GbE between them has been flawless. The best thing you can also do is download a wifi analyzer and manually throw the 5 GHz on a channel that’s not clogged up with other networks (do this on the first router). When AIMesh does its process, it’ll be on the same channel / SSID.
Good luck!
Have you tried plugging the Bell facing SFP from the HomeHub directly into the QNAP switch and configure the switchport as a dot1q trunk with VLAN 35 for Internet ? Place the WAN interfaces on your ASUS routers in that same VLAN (untrunked) and send them off to the Internet link without going through the Homehub at all.
It’s an interesting idea! Unfortunately the switch is a budget friendly unmanaged model. I opted to manage my internal network via the ASUS. But I think this is something I may test when I upgrade my internal infrastructure down the road!
no way bro has the sweatshirt. subscribed
😂💪🏾
This is great info.
I'm just about to get the 3GB Fibe. I was planning on just doing HH to 2.5GB switch for high speed stuff and regular 1GB switch (which I already have) for 1GB stuff.
Is the purpose of the external routers purely for security? If it's for wireless speed, why not just use AP's to a PPPOE switch? Those ASUS routers are so expensive.
The Bell equipment has a hidden channel for their wireless TV that you can’t disable. And in the many people I’ve helped bypass the modem entirely (it can be done, find B3ll on discord / watch the 8 gigabit review video I posted after this one)- the difference is literally night and day.
The other reason this ASUS is preferred is because unlike Ubiquiti’s offerings, the ASUS multi threads PPPoE and gets full speed consistently (it has for 2 years) where I have friends on Ubiquiti can’t get over 2.3 gigabit on 3 gig service. I get full 8 gigabit with virtually no CPU usage on the router while friends are maxing out the CPU on Ubiquiti to get much lower than the rated speed). It’s because PPPoE on that equipment is single threaded / CPU bound while on the ASUS it’s offloaded elsewhere.
I hope this gives you some insight. Thanks for the compliment! 🙏🏾
Hello.
Thank you so much for all your awesome videos! Finally a Canadian that speaks a techy language that I can understand and relate to!
So bell will be installing the new HH4000( guigahub) this week and I’m switching from 1.5g to 3g plan as well.
I’m wondering if your setup would be the best option for my situation?
There’s 8 people in our 3500sqft 2 level house most of the time. I try to have as many devices as possible hardwired but we can get as many as 30-40 devices on the network sometimes? Anything from iPads, iPhones, MacBook pros, Apple tv’s , 2 Xbox consoles, smart tvs and smart doorbells and locks plus anything else that needs to be connected.
At the moment I have an Asus rogue rapture ax11000 connected to the hh4000 using pppoe but I can’t say that it’s always stable for whatever reason.
Would I be able to use my ax11000 along with the ax89x for your setup?
And would do pppoe on both routers?
So I actually had that same router! (I gave it to my parents as they're on Rogers when I upgraded to the AX89X) - it REALLY helped dead-zones at their place as the old router I had set up for them via bridge mode basically died a horrific death after a long time.
If I remember correctly, that router doesn't have PPPoE acceleration. But, this is what I would do if I were you.
- Get the AX89X (or even the newer axe11000 although I can't validate performance. I would have purchased it, but I don't have any clients that are Wi-Fi 6E and as I write this, I see it on Amazon for $838 which I can't justify for how little I'm going to notice the difference now).
Anyway, get the AX89X, UPDATE THE FIRMWARE IMMEDIATELY and then, do a PPPoE connection from the HomeHub to the AX89X. I know the Gigahub had issues connecting via PPPoE but some reading on DSLReports is saying that a firmware update is out there that fixes this (this is a fairly new development).
Hardwire the AX11000 to it and set it up as an AIMesh node. Your 'backhaul' will be a wired connection, but the beautiful thing is, all your hardwired devices to the AX11000 will work perfectly. AND you don't need to do another PPPoE instance from the AX11000 as the first router will handle that. (which also means, because if that router doesn't have PPPoE acceleration, it won't matter as that part of the connection will be handled by the AX89X which DOES have PPPoE acceleration).
I know this video says not use PPPoE - but the reason I'm saying to use it is because right after I published this video - I noticed ASUS fixed the PPPoE acceleration issues in the latest firmware. Been running it since the day after I posted this video - and it's amazing. Advanced DMZ is as well, but your mileage may vary (as you saw in the video I'm sure).
You'll gain all the performance from that router where you hit the dead spots (providing it's set up far enough away from the AX89X) plus management will all be handled by the AX89X. And I'll be completely honest, AIMesh is 100x better than I was expecting. I thought it would have weird issues switching Wi-Fi networks or speed / connection issues on the 2nd router, but it's been nothing but FLAWLESS from my experience.
Hope this helps!
Funny side story, if it made sense, for all the people who have been curious about this setup in their homes, I truly wish I could just come and do the setups for you - but that's not reasonable LOL.
Thank you so much for the awesome compliment and very good question! ❤🙏🏾
Thank you for the quick reply!
So to clear,
1) am I using all the devices in your video?
2) am I using any of the 2.5g or 10g ports and if so for what devices ?
3) any particular settings and parameters I need to be aware of in the gigahub and both asus routers?
Sorry, im obviously completely clueless when it gets a little more advanced😬 I just want to make sure im setting everything up so that I can maximize all the benefits of these expensive devices otherwise It’s just pricey toys sitting on a rack! ( or box 📦 lol) sorry that was too easy lol
Thank you again for all the time and effort you put in for everyone here! 🇨🇦
@@TechMixr This is basically (excluding my planned 2.5gbe switch and MoCA adapters) what I plan on doing. Sounds like it's going to work out, wicked wicked.
Thanks for such detailed video. QQ for you; I've got the 3Gbps with Bell now. I keep having intermittent connection drops (LAN&WIFI). Starting to think it's related to the Fiber cable experiencing light issues. The technical rep did tack through the Fiber cable once when setting it up on the wall but confirmed the Fiber cable and signal weren't affected.
Should I call Bell to request a rep and review the cable or this could be related to something else?
Sounds more like the Homehub/Gigahub is crashing.
It COULD be the fibre cable, but typically if it was damaged, it just wouldn't connect often or at all. I would reach out to Bell. Are you using a separate router, or just the HomeHub.Gigahub?
Also, if you're only using a Gigahub, I've seen a LOT of issues reported about it. Maybe you can request to swap your Gigahub for a HomeHub 4000. The only thing you'd be losing it WiFi 6E (WiFi 6 is a great standard) and the Giga badge on the front. But the stability of the 4000 has been pretty good (not perfect, but definitely better than the reports I've read about the Gigahub)
@TechMixr Thanks a bunch for chiming in!
At the moment, I am only using the Gigahub. I'll definitely aim for a 4000 if this brings more stability.
To avoid any interruptions in the future, I'd be willing to get an external router if that helps, like the one you've showcased. What would you say?
Thanks again for your input. All the best.
@@itsdanmanole Well, I've been running the AX89X since 2021 and it's been fantastic, and even better with the firmware updates. Hint about the next video, avoid the ASUS AXE16000. Considering it's $200 more and I found the performance WORSE than my router it was disappointing when I tried it for a few weeks and couldn't get it to perform like my current router.
@@TechMixr Will put your insights to good use and give AX89X a try.
Looking forward to that upcoming video!
Can we see your whole networking setup and what it looks like. I got the gigahub in the basement as well and wanted to know how you have it set up for mainfloor and second floor?
Here you go!
ruclips.net/user/shorts-RXGztRV-kQ?feature=share
Bell should sponsor you.. 😂 you are faaaar waaay more knowledgable than Bell’s customer service.
Thank you 😂🙏🏾
Couple questions:
1) Do you think there is any increase in ping by going with a 3gbps service over 1.5gbps service? I’ve heard the dedicated line gets plugged into a 3gbps service hub at the main facility so the line is probably shared with less other households. Any chance this could provide a cleaner direct connection over the 1.5gbps or 150mbs services giving a better ping?
2) If all you cared about is gaming on an Xbox series X and wanting the lowest ping possible, do you think a hard wired connection directly to the bell provided modem on a 1.5GBPS service is the best way to connect or would you use bridge mode to another external gaming router? Will a hardwire always have a better ping than wifi?
Just getting Bell fibre in my area after suffering with awful rogers service for years.
Really appreciate the video and great insight!
Ok I'll try to answer these to the best of my abilities - and a lot of my information is based on talks with other Bell techs (I know 2 personally, 1 of which is my neighbor across the street, who actually did my install- and did a stellar job btw), also, I have an ongoing private conversation with the moderator on DSLReports who has been in contact w/ the modem team about some issues I had + I believe the modem team saw these videos, so if you're reading this... what up modem team! 😂
Ok, in all seriousness:
1) I speedtest like a fiend here to make sure things are right. I do this because having been on Rogers most of my adult life, I have PTSD about things going down. That being said, I went from 1.5 gbps service to 3 gbps service. Not a single change in ping at all. It fluctuates between 0ms - 2 ms via Ookla speedtest, and on XBox Series X, never over 35ms according to their speed test. There is no difference in connection between the 2 services.
Also, to add on to this answer, and I need to stress this, the only thing higher tier connections are good for in terms of gaming, are updates. The actual gameplay will be the same across ALL fibre to the home packages. Ping and your internet package are not related. Period. It's when you do a 90 gig Call Of Duty update because modern game development is a joke... is when you see any difference between packages. But I've had the same experience at a friend's place who uses Fibe 50. Again, in-game makes no difference if you're on 3 gig or 50 megabit.
2). 1.5, 50 megabit, 3 gigabit, it will all be the same. To be honest, I'd rather use Advanced DMZ or PPPoE (if your router can handle PPPoE) on a separate router. There's no bridge mode, let me be clear - there is absolutely no bridge mode in any of the HomeHub routers. The reason I don't recommend using Bell's equipment for gaming is when it comes time to open ports for certain games (the ASUS router is amazing for this and makes it dead simple) & once you have a proper connection with a good external router, it's in a word, bliss.
Honestly. The only time you'll ever have issues connecting to a game, is if you're in a party and someone in the party has a moderate NAT / a bad connection (like most technology, you're only as good as the weakest link) ... and the Wi-Fi question. I've tried the exact same server at the exact same time using a hard wired connection and having my wireless device very close to the router for optimal speed and ping. There's always around a 4-5 ms difference. As of writing this, Wi-Fi technology has never been as fast or as responsive as a hard wire. Period.
Thank you for the questions. These were things I should have included in the video, but God only knows it would have taken an additional 6 months to get the video out at that rate LOL - hope it helps!
Edit/ Addition: to add, the 3gbps lines are the same lines that 1.5 uses. When they switched my service there was no interruption. The difference isn’t in the pathway of the connection, the difference is, the areas that have 3 gigabit have a newer XGS-PON fibre cable running the service which is capable of more throughout. Hope that clears that up.
@@TechMixr That’s awesome! Really appreciate the detailed and quick reply! Ok so you can use your own router without having a bridge mode? I’ll watch a couple of your other videos. and maybe buy that Asus router you have. So the ideal basic setup for someone who is into competitive gaming would be HomeHub into a good router with Advanced DMZ with a hardwired connection into the Xbox? Also if running hardwire lines through my house to have hard wired boxed in different rooms is there a type of cable you recommend using to be future proofed for good specs or is CAT5 good for internal hardwire runs?
@@zachgreenwald So there's been an update to this guide in this video already when it comes to this router (technology always changes). I'd highly recommend this router, but just use PPPoE and make sure your firmware is updated to the latest one (that's crucial for PPPoE to work properly)
Avoid CAT5. You can't do long runs with CAT5 and maintain good speed. CAT6 should be fine, but if you can get your hands on CAT8 (it's not much higher in terms of price) - get that. And remember, CAT7 is documented everywhere as not really being a true standard.
@@TechMixr awesome! You’re a life saver!! Really appreciate it man!
@@zachgreenwald No no, the pleasure was all mine. Thanks for watching & engaging! I hope to make more great videos and get more education / in depth comments from you and all the other people who have watched & subbed. Have a fantastic weekend!
Bell starting offering Fibe 3.0 here a few days ago but then retracted the plan the day I planned on calling in for it 😭
I don't understand a word you are saying because I am so caught off guard by the video & arcade top 10 sweater
😂😂😂😂😂 - keep watching …..
Used to watch that show on YTV. I always daydreamed of being a contestant but it never happened 😂
@@mikewilde8801 .... I might have been on the show when I was 12 ... I also might have video evidence ... I also might throw it into a video at random ...... 😂
@@TechMixr Oh wow, so lucky! Hopefully they hooked you up with some sweet swag if you didn’t win. Would be hilarious to see that video. Have to assume it was recorded on VHS.
@@mikewilde8801 You know it!
I actually posted it on my personal social accounts for friends and family and everyone had a great laugh, including myself 😂
I won’t spoil it, but I got some cool stuff 😎
FINALLY!!!
TechMixr is back …. On Yoooooooooooutuuuuuuube 😂🤦🏾♂️
Hey Like your Videos. I have the Bell 3GB UP and Down with the Ubiquiti UDM PRO SE. I noticed that the Download speed is usually around 1.8 GB however the upload speed is constantly 3GB. Have you tried your Bell service with an UDM PRO SE? Can you maybe do a video on this. I would greatly appreciate it.
Another Question: I have been going back and forth with Ubiquiti support regarding the poor download performance. Ubiquiti support mentioned that it could be a interoperability issue with the modem/upstream router that could be causing this. Is this Possible? FYI I have replaced the UDM PRO and still same issue.
I did a video about Bell cancelling 8 gigabit. A friend of mine has the UDM Pro and has the same issue.
We know why. It’s PPPoE. It’s explained in that video here: Bell Removes Its 8 Gigabit Offering & The CRTC Is Wild (My Honest Opinion)
ruclips.net/video/tn44zg0gL1c/видео.html
Thanks for the compliment 🙏🏾
Is there a more budget friendly router that also works?
So the issue with budget / consumer routers is that they won't typically handle speeds beyond gigabit well. PPPoE acceleration is not something you find on cheaper routers (it's a hardware feature)
Something to keep in mind, once you cross the line of gigabit, things start to get pretty expensive. It's a pay to play thing unforunately. I don't have any recommendations beneath the AX89X I featured in the video. And you can feel free to try other routers, but with the amount of hassle to figure out which one will do it, you're probably bettter spending you time / money just getting something that's validated to work.
Just my 2 cents anyway, hope this helps!
The MiktroTik CRS305-1G-4S+in is $250cdn, and has four SFP+ ports (the QNAP QSW-308S only has 3 SFP+ ports, and costs more).
Also, if you're plugging in devices within a few feet of each other, you can use DAC cables and save like $150 because you won't need any transceivers. Also, you do have the option to use SFP-10G-SR transceivers and fibre optic cables instead of SFP-10G-T transceivers and cat 6/7/8 cable, which doesn't run as hot, uses less electricity, and doesn't have any crosstalk or EMI issues.
Lots of great info here... especially with respect to configuring the Home Hub with the RT-AX89X.
Btw, It wasn't clear in your video, maybe I'll have to watch it a couple more times, but does the RT-AX89X support 10Gbe backhaul if you have multiple routers? I'm assuming that only works when directly wired (not through a switch)?
Thanks for the comment & compliment!
You’re right, DAC cables would work well in this case, but I also figure that it doesn’t hurt to have some transceivers so I went this route.
The Mikrotik equivalent was priced way higher when I researched this and purchased mine so I’m glad there’s an even cheaper option now!
And to answer your question about backhaul, I’ve tried without the switch and with the switch and they both work fine! I have a 10GbE backhaul through the switch going to the 2nd router and I get full speed across the board 👌🏾
(Currently the 2nd router is in the 2nd SFP port of the QNAP and the 1st router is in the first SFP port and I get full speed to the 2nd router going through the switch)
@@TechMixr there's also the TP-Link TL-SX3008F, which has eight SFP+ ports for $333. I didn't end up buying it because reviews said that it had a noisy fan, but I talked to someone who bought one, and he said it was very quiet.
That's really awesome about the 10GbE backhaul working through a switch, as it means that some day in the future I could get a second one and still have the primary one connected to a 10GbE switch.
@@dereksnider7148 yeah at the end of the day, the switch is just doing what the router tells it for the most part (as an extension of sorts)
Would you believe that right now, as I’m typing this- I noticed that ASUS fixed acceleration issues for PPPoE and I just switched it back and it’s working? I’m a little annoyed because my rant about PPPoE in the video no longer applies to this router 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
@@TechMixr maybe they fixed it because of your video ;)
@@dereksnider7148 nah, I had reached out to them back in May about it- didn’t think it was getting fixed. Here we are lol
Like we went back and forth about a few acceleration issues, and I even sent them videos and they responded asking me to try things. Also talked with the Bell modem team about it as well.
Hi, Could you please explain the full set up again ? why do we need QNAP QSW-308-1C 10GbE Switch if connecting Bell giga hub directly with AX89X? I am a bit confused on that part. Please help.
@@TheSalman200 I use this switch because I have more than 1 10 GbE client, and also, in this video I’m using AIMesh to connect 2 routers.
If you only have 1 10 GbE machine, you don’t need the switch or a 2nd AX89X router.
If you’re using the AX89X, update the firmware, under LAN - Switch Control, turn on NAT acceleration and login via PPPoE also, don’t use advanced DMZ anymore- this was changed after the video was posted as ASUS fixed their NAT acceleration in a firmware update.
@@TechMixr thank you for prompt replay. do I need to turn on Bridge mode to use Ax89X for PPPoE ? any other router recommendations as it's 2024. thanks.
Actually I have 3GB connection but I don't get full speed. So was thinking to replace bell giga hub. But I am not finding any proper way or instructions.
@@TheSalman200so I purchased the ASUS Wifi 7 version of this router and it’s terrible. I’m sticking with these routers.
The gigahub isn’t the issue, it’s NAT acceleration that’s the issue. Follow the steps and you’ll be fine.
Bridge mode is the same as logging in with PPPoE. It MIGHT disable the wifi in the gigahub but I’m not sure.
@@TechMixr thank you for the help. I did follow all the steps & getting 3.5GB for download but not getting 3.5GB for upload. Speed test is good giga hub but not in Asus router.
Great video, thank you! I only want to upgrade from 1G (for which I am overpaying) to 1.5G, but i heard that old HH3000 which I am using is better than new GigaHub which Bell offers, so probably will not upgrade. I am only browsing, checking RUclips, Mails and Netflix with FireStick....
Are you actually using a separate router or only the Homehub?
I’m asking because if you’re interested in bypassing it, then the 3000 is the better option, if you’re using the Homehub to connect all your devices, the 4000/Gigahub is the better option from what I’ve seen. The 3000 doesn’t have a great processor in it for routing, but it has a removable SFP that you can throw in a managed switch. If that’s not something you’re doing, do the upgrade and use the 4000/Gigahub - it will be much better.
@@TechMixr Thank you much for clear reply! No, i am simply using HH3000 for all devices. I was afraid that GigaHub doesn't support at all 2.4Ghz devices. But apparently it is incorrect - it does support. Thank you again!
Happy to help!
The Homehub 4000 / Gigahub has been pretty good for the most part. There are some things about it advanced networking people hate.
I’d probably be fine with it, but I’m a guy who tinkers (if you can’t tell by the RUclips channel) 😂
I still have my HH3000 with a 1.5G plan, still waiting on the best router that I can plug my SFP directly into.
I have that HH3k/4k always leave wifi radios on even if you disable wifi
i think the Mac address is one character off because you're grabbing the LAN mac address but are u not connecting the asus router to the bell modem via the wan port? that would have a different mac address as its a different network interface. if u are connecting the LAN interface and not the wan, then u might be seeing a bridge mac address in one spot and the real physical mac address in another spot. i would guess on bell modem u see the bridge address and on the asus router u see the bridge address. if you're actually using the lan and not wan.
It seems to be a HomeHub bug (at least on mine) - I'm using a WAN port on the router. I've tried the default WAN port (which is limited to 1 gigabit) and it does the same thing. I've assigned the 10 GbE port I'm plugged into as WAN.
On the ASUS router, if you don't use WAN, you MIGHT get an internet connection, but even then, you can't access all the other features (AIMesh won't function correctly, neither will guest network sharing and a few other things). So I'm definitely using the WAN port on the router.
oh shit... I just signed up for Bell 8 Gig service, I dont think my current network set up can even handle it, will you be doing a review of the 8gig service too?
Hoping to do a video the second it’s available. Still stuck at measly 3 gig at moment 😂
@@TechMixr I feel for you bro, that's no way to live!
@@F85-w6g 😂
@TechMixr I bought the AX89X based on your recommendation. Didn't splurge for the switch and the second router since one will do the job for my home. I followed the guide which I really appreciate. I'm not able to get the Asus router to populate a WAN? Just says disconnected. I have the router MAC address in the DMZ (mine shows the right MAC address) and have NSS set up in switch control. The IP is set to automatic. Is there anything else that needs to be configured on the HH4000 or AX89X? Does DMZ have to be turned on the ASUS router?
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
Advanced DMZ is a pain for this …..
So first, try this. Don’t reboot the ASUS, just reboot the Homehub. The Homehub loves to freeze up if you change anything. It’s super annoying.
Alternatively (don’t do the below and what I just wrote above together, it’s going to be one or the other)
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This tip is from after the video was published, you can use PPPoE and not even bother with any advanced DMZ options - however, confirm that you’re on the latest firmware for the AX89X.
Also, make sure NAT acceleration enabled and is set to NSS under switch control, then login via PPPoE via the ASUS under WAN -> internet connection
Hope this helps, feel free to reply whether or not it worked and I’ll try to help, or congratulate you on getting it working 🙌🏾
Any luck?
Haven't had a chance to try this yet. Will get back to you once I do! Ty for the quick response though
I just realized that I referenced HH4000. I actually have the Giga hub. Does that make a difference?
@@themeedan It shouldn't ... but there are some stability issues with the Gigahub from what I've read. I'd see if you can get it swapped for a Homehub 4000. You would lose WiFi 6E as an option, but it's a lost point as you're probably just using WiFi off the AX89X anyway.
Hi TechMixr, my setup recently started flaking out on me. I'm not sure what changed, as I didn't change any settings, but was wondering if you had any surefire methods for getting things working properly when they randomly flake out. I'm thinking that the RX-AX89X is misbehaving because the network issues seem local, but it could maybe be the connection between the RX-AX89X and the GigaHub. I recall you said that sometimes you had to reboot things in a particular order?
So a couple of things
- is your AX89X updated to the latest firmware? If not, do it which leads to the next thing….
- use PPPoE if you can. This video’s advice to use Advanced DMZ is now deprecated because ASUS fixed PPPoE acceleration in the latest firmware
- the reboot order whenever there’s an issue is:
- power everything off
- plug in the Homehub/Gigahub
- wait about 10-20 seconds, then power on the ASUS
A note about PPPoE, use the b1 login credentials but do NOT use Advanced DMZ at the same time. It’s one or the other.
PPPoE is accessed in the AX89X WAN settings - change it from “automatic” to “PPPoE”
Let me know if that helps!
@@TechMixr where do I find my b1 login credentials? I'm about to factory reset the AX89X. It was using the firmware from last October. I don't think they've released anything since then.
@@dereksnider7148 Your b1 credentials are from Bell. If you don't have them, you may have to phone them to get them (explain that you need it for your router)
There was was an update in October so it's version 3.0.0.4.386.47468 now - I hadn't done it as I was running a beta firmware to another issue before this got released where they patched PPPoE. If that's what you're running currently, you just need the b1 username & password.
@@TechMixr the factory reset seems to have done the trick… fingers crossed 🤞 It’s now set up using pppoe, so hopefully it’s in better shape than before.
@@dereksnider7148 Sounds great! Let's see how it goes!
Great vid - just upgraded to the Gigahub with 3gbps as it was actually cheaper to get the upgrade than to remain at my 1gbit speed. I have a GT-AX11000 right now and the firmware leaves a lot to be desired as far as switch configuration is concerned. Can't get that router to see 2.5gbit speed even though in the network status the port has negotiated at 2.5gbit. Those nice switching options that the AX89X has just aren't available... so I have an AX89X on the way and plan on using the AX11000 as part of my AIMesh. I'm currently using PPPoE to connect and have a pretty extensive table set up for certain clients that must connect to the internet through VPN. Can I still use the DHCP server on the AX89X if I put the router into advanced DMZ mode? Just turn off the DHCP server on the Gigahub.
The plan is to go from the 10gbe RJ45 on the Gigahub to the SFP+ port on the AX89X for internet connectivity, then out from the 10gb rj45 port into 5 port unmanaged 2.5gbe switch, out of the switch into a goCoax 2.5gbe MoCA adapter, out of the 2nd MoCA adapter and into my AX11000 for the wired backhaul. Not quite as fancy and fast as what you have on your coffee table there, but will be a massive upgrade to my current infrastructure.
Cheers, great vids.
In case anyone is looking into this setup here's what's working for me to get full speed to my clients:
Gigahub 10Gbe RJ45 --> CAT6a --> Wiitek SFP+ adapter into 10Gbe SFP+ port on AX89X
10Gbe RJ45 port on AX89X --> CAT6a --> Mokerlink 5 port 2.5Gbe Switch
2.5Gbe port on Mokerlink --> CAT6a --> 2.5Gbe Network card on PC
2.5Gbe port on Mokerlink --> CAT6a --> 2.5Gbe USB Network Adapter on Synology DS918+
ASUS AX58U in use as an AI Node (iPhone 13 Pro gets 750mbps/750mbps next to it)
Currently not working at proper speed (MoCA seems to cripple my switch for some reason)
2.5Gbe port on Mokerlink --> CAT6a --> 2.5Gbe goCoax MoCA --> In wall coax --> 2.5Gbe goCoax MoCA --> CAT6a --> 2.5Gbe Port on AX11000
I'm working on the MoCA stuff now to get the 2.5Gbe ethernet backhaul working on my node. Need to sort out how to get into the management of these MoCA adapters - they work but not properly. By that I mean they work fine client to client with no equipment between so it must be some kind of negotiation issue with the Mokerlink 2.5Gbe switch.
Quite the topology ha ha.
Anyone who is paying attention to this (ha ha), I have that crazy topology working now. The only issue I now have is that the AX89X only reports 3gbps/1.5gbps for my down and up speeds, respectively - seems I'm only getting half of the upload speed as reported by the router. Client side Speedtest reports 2.5gbps/2.5gbps, so I'm not sure if it's just some kind of glitch with the router's integrated Speedtest implementation or not.
@TechMixr much appreciated for doing the heavy lifting and getting the general network topology out to the wild. Cheers
Turn off QoS. That solved it for my buddy.
I never had QoS enabled so I never saw this issue. QoS gets enabled when you run the game mode or any of those other modes.
When you have an internet connection like this, those modes become meaningless to be honest. It’s handy for those on 100 megabit plans with low upload, but because we have all this headroom it actually hurts our connections. Thanks for the compliment, comments and for watching! 🙏🏾
The thing is if you had a bridge mode, you'd need to handle PPPoE yourself on your own router, in addition to tagging the VLANs.
Yeah, I been bypassed with an SFP for months and it’s a lot better than the HomeHub 4000 using PPPoE acceleration on the router
I was looking for a much simpler, but good enough setup. My realtek 8125 cheap 2.5Gbe card works great on Ubuntu: 2300/1800Mbps. The same card only gives 1400/1800 in Windows. I can't understand why. Drivers, params... nothing solves this. Do you have any suggestions?
Wish I could help 😬
Hi TechMixr, on x89x were you able to get 3Gbps up/down with pppoe?
@@amitnf I’m on 8 gigabit now and yes, I get full speed.
If you’re using the same router, make sure you’re on the latest firmware. Under LAN, go to the switch control tab and turn on NAT acceleration. The router will reboot. This enables hardware acceleration which allows the router to process PPPoE independent of the CPU.
Without this enabled, the ASUS will try to do this via the CPU and will throttle. Hope this helps!
@@TechMixrthank you kindly. Another question what would be equivalent to ax89x today considering x89x is discontinued and hard to find.
Perhaps the ASUS BE19000 or BE30000 to be honest. You get Wi-Fi 7 with those, but I can’t speak to whether or not it has NAT acceleration. I know the AXE16000 works with NAT acceleration and is Wi-Fi 6E- but the 2 I tried has terrible wifi performance with my Wi-Fi 6 devices no matter what I tried. Also, when I tested the AXE16000 - it didn’t have a switch for NAT control. It just did it by default.
Also, something else to note about NAT acceleration. Once in a blue moon, a device on your network could cause it to get disabled. A simple reboot of the router fixes it (in my case, I have something in my home theatre rack that causes this issue) - it’s annoying but not a big deal at all to reboot once every few months.
@@TechMixrthank you for the detailed explanation. I really appreciate it.
@@TechMixrBTW- I have something I wanted to share with you in regards to bridge mode. Wanted you to try first as I have good success with it. Is there a way for me to DM it you first before I post publicly? TIA
I have a question I have the gigs hub and the rtax92u and am trying to do this but when I’m on the DMZ I don’t see the rtax92u there. Please help me out
You should see the router’s MAC address. It probably won’t say the actual model in the DMZ menu of the HomeHub.
On the ASUS router, find the MAC address (not sure about the specific UI for the AX92U but it may be on the first page - the 2 tabs on the top right of the network map page.
Great video. I have Bell's 1.5 Gbps service but as you said in Part 1, if you don't have a 10 Gig NIC, you aren't able to use the bandwidth. I'd probably go 3 Gbps when it's available here just for giggles, but how much benefit am I actually going to see, is a question. My gaming desktop will like it with the Asus 10Gbps card I installed, but if I pull the trigger on 3 Gbps, I'll be able to pull content down faster than the sites can serve it up. I used Cat 6 to go from the one (!?!) GigaHub 10 Gbps port to my gaming desktop, and it works fine.
Come on Bell. One 10 Gbps port? I suppose I could buy an expensive switch with 10 Gig ports and then buy the additional NICs, but I support infrastructure all day at work, I don't want to have to do it at home too.
Thank you so much for the compliment!
Yeah, 10 GbE switches are much more cost prohibitive than the standard gigabit ones. Eventually I’m going to upgrade this setup when I get more 10 GbE clients at home but for now, it’s running beautifully.
Again, I seriously appreciate the view and compliment on the video!
Hey techmixr will you be doing a video on Bell's 8 Gigabit service?
I’d love to, just playing the waiting game with Bell- hoping it shows up soon! (Not available to my area yet)
I'm also from Ontario Canada and it's available in my area so hopefully the 8 Gigabit service will be available in your area soon so you can review it.
I think I am more amazed at your knowledge base than your speed.
Why not put both ASUS routers into AP mode, disable wifi on the Bell router, but keep your wired back haul? Just upgraded from Bell Fibe 1Gbps to 3Gbps, they made me also get the Giga modem, previously had the HH4000.
Purchased a TP-Link AXE11000 2-pack from Amazon (Prime Day deal), going to try to connect one to the Bell Giga Hub via CAT8 and then connect the other one via WIFI 6GHz backhaul - it's difficult for me to run wired between the two Deco units.
At least this way no dealing with PPPoE or Advanced DMZ. Guess I'll find out if it works 😅
@@AB007-MLT doing it that way will give you double NAT. Will make some connections very hard to do properly (especially gaming)
Super helpful thanks
What throttle issue are they with UDM pro. I’m in the process of setup the Bell service and ended my Rogers service. Still trying to figure it out.
Subscribed cause you are Canadian!
😂😂🙏🏾 appreciate it!
I have the same internet plan in Montreal, but for some reason when I’m downloading a big file (doesn’t matter if is in windows or Mac) the download stops after 1min and then is not posible to continue downloading… anyone have the same problem? Even when I’m updating/downloading a game from epic game store, the speed goes to 0kbps for 40seconds and then returns at 40Mbps/sec (no nominal speed)
Are you using the gigahub or the Homehub 4000?
@@TechMixr gigahub
woah woah woah, hold up - did I just watch literary masterpiece "Walden"? because it's Henry David THOROUGH. 👏
❤️❤️🙏🏾
Hey bell has awesome deals with 8.0 I’m paying 146 with tax for tv and home phone and 8gb internet
Bell still hasn’t have fibre to the home in my area and I have been waiting, currently on rogers. Do you know if there’s a way of getting it immediately?
Unfortunately it seems that they’re prioritizing areas that have really old Bell infrastructure. I lucked out because my area was only able to get 5 megabit down back in 2021 and there was a new condo nearby that had been built in 2019 that had a new fibre run.
It’s really luck of the draw unfortunately.
@@TechMixr 😢
Where are you located?
Can you please explain again why you need two ASUS router?
@@icepac deadspot coverage on the other side of the house (especially the backyard past the brick wall on the opposite side of the house)
If you don’t have range issues in your residence, then you don’t need 2 of these, and if you do, a range extender would suffice.
I just wanted another accessible 10 GbE port where I positioned the router for coverage for the backyard.
@@TechMixr thanks. so can I make the setup work with just 1 ASUS AX89X straight to Bell Giga Hub without the need for the QNAP switch and the second ASUS AX89X? Same set-up with your other video for the 1.5 Gbps ?
Also what do you think about ASUS ROG Rapture Wireless AX11000 Tri-Band Wi-Fi 6 Router (GT-AX11000 Pro)? will this work to achieve my 3Gbps wifi Internet speed? My coverage area is not that complicated and doesn't have much deadspot.
I would stick with the AX89X - I tried the newer routers and found that my ASUS even as a single router had much more stable throughput overall. I ended up returning many of them.
Any way to stop HH400 from turning wifi back on after a power outage?
mb never mind, you addressed it in the video... Bell needs to fix that -.-
@@FrostyBrows the latest firmware update on my 4000 has stopped it from re-enabling on mine.
I’d go to Bell Direct and ask Bell_Dom if you’re on the latest.
Btw- that 8 gig video could be coming soon …….
@@TechMixr oh sick, thanks G
... and I'm still over here waiting for gigabit service ...
Thoughts on xfinty Ax4200 orbi ?
I’ve never used it but I will check the specs!
Hey man, im trying to acheive wifi 6ghrz with the bell 3.0 but for some reason the 6ghrz network isnt showing on my pc and laptop. Any ideas ?
Would you need to disable wifi every time the modem lost power?
Unfortunately yes. I believe (and this is only my opinion) that Bell leaves this as default behaviour for when they’re troubleshooting (aka when a tech is on site at a house troubleshooting issues).
It’s something that should be disabled, or at the very least, there should be an option in the HomeHub that stops this behaviour optionally.
I just switched from bell business with 1gb to 3GB. I will be trying to bypass bell HH4000 with UDM pro
Unfortunately this isn’t possible unless you have the transceiver from Bell which you’ll only get with a HomeHub 3000. The transceiver is built into the motherboard on the 4000 therefore it’s not removal so from a standpoint of not violating Bell’s terms of service it’s not possible.
I’m not even sure it’s possible even if you tried 3rd party ways to be honest - because Bell can freely login to the modem (they’ve done so with mine) and if your modem is offline but you’re on their network- they could easily ban your account.
Just some things to think about from the hours I spent reading about it on the dslreports forum and Reddit.
I got the 3.0gig not too long ago, been pretty pleased with it. Downloading games or other entertainment at 210-270mbs./sec. It can feel like a hit-and-miss sometimes, though.
It really seems to depend on the service’s speed and how they’re connected on the backend to Bell’s infrastructure.
Home hub 4000 is the thing keeping me from using bell fibre. Glad to know it is possible to use my own router, but it's just so unnecessarily annoying.
So complicated. Why not just put the bell hub into bridge mode and use cat6 cables?
There isn’t a true bridge mode on the homehub 4000 / gigahub. We have to use PPPoE, even with Bell’s almost-bridge mode. It’s not ideal. Maybe I’ll do a new video explaining the bypass, the benefits and what Bell is still getting wrong.
Bell has 8Gb download and upload now crazyyy
I’m checking for it in my area ……….. daily 😂😂
@@TechMixr w future content
@@sangeeeeeyy3964 pray for me 😂🤦🏾♂️
@@TechMixr I’m getting fibre installed for me just now and there’s a winter storm 😢😢(delayed)
Also I’m on rogers 1.5 Gb on coaxial
I got the bell 1.5 but never see those speeds (haven't even hit 1 gig) I am using the modem + TP-Link deco xe-75 pro, connected to the giga hub via the 10 gig port on the mode + 2.5 gig port on the router. Haven't changed any settings on either device and I'm using wifi 6 clients. What am I doing wrong?
Are you trying to get this with Wi-Fi 6 or wired? Because Wi-Fi 6 isn’t capable of sending gigabit - you’ll be limited to an absolute max around 850ish megabit.
@@TechMixr ideally wireless but I guess if I can't then it will have to be wired. Not even with WiFi 6E? The issue is that the Deco XE-75 PRO only includes one 2.5 GB port, and two 1GIG ports, so at least one of the units will be capped at at 1 GIG even with a wired backhaul, unless there is a way around this by adding a switch perhaps?
Switching to 3Gb on Bell next Tuesday. Been reading that the Giga Hub is absolute ass. Damn I just wish they would give us a bridged mode, why is that too much to ask for...
Can't you jist plug in from the ONT to the ASUS? Cut out all the excess?
Unfortunately you can’t. The SFP port can only sync at gigabit or 10 gigabit if you pull the SFP from the HomeHub 3000. It needs to sync at 2.5 GbE.
And you can’t use a different SFP than Bell provides as it won’t authenticate.
Is the 10g base-t port acceleration setting available on the Asus AXE-16000 router as well?
I wish I knew!
Loving my pair of AX89X routers and really want to avoid messing with the network as it’s been flawless for months now 😂
Maybe I’ll get my hands on one and do some tests. But don’t expect it anytime soon 😂
@TechMixr unfortunately I didn't see it anywhere on the 16000. How did you got about getting it added by Asus?
Ok, so ..... I purchased the AXE16000 and apparently it's enabled by default and there's no way to disable it. Which is a good thing. HOWEVER .......... the Wi-Fi performance, no matter what I do, is about 1/3 of the performance of my original AX89X. I've tried all the firmware versions available (which took a long time to test) - to be honest, grabbing a transceiver or DAC cable (depending on your network setup of course) and using the AX89X is the better way to go.
Also, remember, the AX89X has 4 more gigabit ports, and the processor is faster. You can't run merlin on the AX89X, but if that's not your use case, avoid the AXE16000 - this is part of a bigger video I'm working on now. Hope to have it out soon. Stay tuned.
@TechMixr looking forward to the video. I'm on Bell's 3gb connection with the 16000 connected through PPPoE not DMZ/ADMZ. While I can get 3 down from the router speed test, max I can get for upload EVER is 1.3. QOS is off as is any gaming modes. AiProtection also turned off. Did you notice this as well or just the wifi issue?
So it's not just me that has to reboot the damned HH4000 when I do network changes. That said, great service, rock solid. As for Rogers -- hopefully their fibre network is better than their cable. Daily outages with them 8am and 10pm, I don't miss that once Bell had FTTH.
I have PTSD about Rogers outages - I don’t miss the worry of it going down, not to mention I love having a consistent connection.
@@TechMixr yeah, the consistency of Bell makes it worth the switch. Also with Rogers, it would have to reconfigure my VoIP ATA's every 30 days (like clockwork), as Rogers would kick off the current server. This never happened with Bell. Your video, btw, is great. Thanks!
It's Rogers. They'll still screw that up.
you should test out the 8gbps plan from rogers!
If it comes to my area, you better believe that video is coming. I don’t want to strictly cover internet on the channel, but…… don’t think I haven’t been actively inquiring about this!
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Did they fix any of the issues that the HH 4000 has with the GigaHub?
The Homehub 4000 and the GigaHub are 2 separate devices, they don’t work with one another. They’re both Bell modems.
If you mean does the 4000 have the same issues as the Gigahub, then I believe the 4000 is more stable for certain things- but my understanding from chatting with the moderator on DSL Reports, they’re rolling firmware out that should alleviate a lot of it.
@@TechMixr Yea I wasn't speaking to the first point, I was referring to the second one.
Not having bridge mode is making it impossible for me to set up my Nighthawk AXE11000
Have you tried logging in with PPPoE using your b1 bell credentials and password? That’s honestly the closest to bridge mode you’ll get and it works really well when it works. The router in this video at the time I recorded only worked well with advanced DMZ. This changed with a firmware update to the router, but your nighthawk may not have that issue.
Is it a homehub 4000 or gigabhub?
@TECHMixr how do I delivers the full 8gb to an pc cuz the motherboard z790 edge wifi only supports max 2.5 lan
So a few things here:
You won’t get close to 8 gigabit on wifi as it stands currently. The closest you may get is with Wifi 7 but the odds are, you and 99% of people don’t have access to that yet as it’s not mainstream at all as of yet. I’ve seen speeds beyond 1 gigabit and even up to 3 gigabit on wifi 7, but in reality, with most wifi 6 devices, you’ll cap around 850 megabit in optimal conditions. I can’t speak to wifi 6E, maybe someone here can chime in.
That leads to cabling. To get the optimal speed / lowest latency, this really is the only way currently.
If your motherboard has a 10 GbE port, you’ll have to run the wire to your modem. If you don’t have a 10 GbE port, you’d have to grab a 10 GbE PICE network card OR a Thunderbolt 3 adapter (if your PC has Thunderbolt 3)
I’d advise against the Thunderbolt 3 option as the network adapters are priced really high and Thunderbolt 3 on Windows can sometimes be a headache.
Hope this helps!
Bell offers 8Gb in some regions like Toronto
It wasn’t available here until fairly recently (I’m north of Toronto) - if you haven’t seen it already, I did an 8 gigabit review on the channel! 😊
Can you please make a video explaining wifi speeds? 😅
I could try but there are other videos out there that do a far better job. Check this one 😊 - ruclips.net/video/Mx5-T8ZwxbU/видео.html
Is there any mesh routers you recommend
The ones I use in this video are stellar. Seamless switching between networks (I have some apps that disconnect even if the connection breaks for a split second) - these 2 in AIMESH mode work flawlessly in complete former dead-zones and those apps don’t disconnect which seriously surprises me!
I've had great luck with the Asus system. The AX86U is a good option if you don't need 10G backhaul.
@@jordanholmesedtech The ASUS system is surprisingly robust at its price-point! I whole-heartedly agree with this.
Bell 8 gbps service has been available for a few months now
Only in Toronto. While I'm originally from the GTA, Ontario is much larger than just Toronto 😉
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Hey guys. Does anyone know if the 10g port in the back the HH4000 is compatible with NBASE-T??? I am asking because my house has only CAT5e cables.
CAT5E is only good for gigabit (even if it could do more, you might be able to for a few feet at best) so using it in the 10GbE port would be pointless unfortunately.
@@TechMixr thanks for your reply. I know that but I don’t have another option here. That’s why I want to know if the HH4000 supports NBASE-T because if it does it will help me a lot. Do you have any information on that?
@@klipe18 I can't see the 1 GbE ports not working with those cables. But if you're going to go the router of near or beyond gigabit speed for your internet connection, you may be better just running new cable if it's at all possible.
@@TechMixr I know that is not the best environment here but to pass another a cable is not possible. NBASE-T is my only solution I just need to know if Bell HH4000 is compatible with that, if it is I’m good, we use this technology at work and we can reach close to 4Gb over cat5e.
@@klipe18 I'm pretty sure it should work, it still uses the ethernet protocol no? I don't have any old CAT5E cables to test with, but I can't imagine it doesn't work.
Hey pro I have modem Nokia I want put it in bridge mode I know how to do it in pppoe connection but my isp use iPoe connections so the way can by different can you help my with Gides or setup you know
I don't have experience with that particular device. If you're on Bell, there is no real bridge mode. Only PPPoE & Advanced DMZ.
So they have 8gbps now haha. I only have 2.5 on my desktop and some wifi 6 so not sure how I’m gonna max this out
They do have 8 gigabit yes ……..
…….. there’s a chance a video is coming based on some conversations I had - I don’t have the service yet. But the operative word ….. is “yet”
Stay tuned …. 👀
Bro, I just got Bell's 8 gigabit service.... its slower than the 1gig I had before. so Im watching this video for the 3rd time to see if I can remedy this. Bell isnt very helpful at all when it comes to setting things up, they just say "it works on our end".
Are you going through another router and running PPPoE?
@@TechMixr yeah I was. previously I had a Deco M5 mesh wifi setup ( along with a basic 1gig switch) which worked well. Im completely removing that and picking up an Asus gt-axe 16000 I found for $550, along with one Asus 10gbps NIC for my main computer. I'll basically use the other 4 1gig ports on the router to connect the other things that I need, along with a 2.5gig connection to my NAS. Only thing worrying me is the connection from the Bell modem to the Asus router, Im in a new building with Cat5e and Cat6e wiring, but I dont know which is which and where they go.
So on the Bell modem - the last port is a 10 GbE port. Go from that to your new ASUS
I’d advise you plug everything you use into the ASUS’ remaining gigabit ports. You may have issues communicating with them with them separated like that.
For example, in my house, the only Ethernet cord plugged into my Bell modem is the ASUS. Everything else is branched off the ASUS router and everything connects flawlessly.
Thanks for the video. Rogers is keep giving me deals but sorry bud you don’t even offer symmetrical internet. I work from home with large CAD files and your up speed is not going to work.
Going into 2025 and Rogers is still lackin’ - actually unreal
I need it... well, not really but i want it
Internet goes zoomies 24/7 at my place 😂
I have a 1.5 Giga Bit Package with a bell. Am only getting 20 uploads or Less on PlayStation 5 .
Are you using Wi-Fi, or are you directly connected?
Bell has 8 Gbps internet in some cities
I recently got it, if you haven’t seen the 8 gigabit review, it’s on my channel (been up about a month)
Dude can you make a comparison video of all available fibre options
Unfortunately I only have access to Bell’s offerings here.