Its so crazy that she was filming a murder investigation in real time with no intention in making a crime documentary. Like she was filming up to the point he actually killed that poor girl.
It really scares me how "normal" sick people like him look. You would never be able to tell he was capable of such violent crime, had such obscure thoughts, anybody would've trusted him and gone down into the sea with him, he was surounded by so many and nobody ever realized anything 😢😢😢
Brava to Emma for being so sincere with her curiosity and for her willingness to follow her instincts. I think she was led to that path so she could be the eyes and ears and bring perfect truth by simply being present and observing. Truly chilling to know what later happened and startling to watch this madness unfold. But, she did what was most important; she was a witness to this experience and documented the unbiased truth so that the victim may truly rest in peace. Just goes to show you that what was done in the dark will ALWAYS be brought into the light. 🕯️Well done Emma. Rest in peace Kim Wall 🕊️
This is by far the BEST documentary I’ve ever watched , sat watching a real life psychopath and the crime unfold , is chilling and beyond sad .. love to Kim’s family
That poor woman! The terror she must have felt when she realised her fate. He reminded me of Hannibal Lector in that jumpsuit thing he wore. These degenerate inhuman monsters walk among us!
The weird thing about it is that he seemed so determined to take advantage of the opportunity that he didn't really think any of it through. He was bound to be caught under his current plan, but I think he finds himself to be a very convincing fellow, and that sometimes blinds people to the holes in their plotlines. In his heart, he probably felt he was ever going to live his life to the fullest, he had to do this.
The last segment of the Netflix programme is incredibly chilling, given what Madsen did. It’s also a warped cry for help in a way - he knew his desires were malfeasant but he realised that was his nature nonetheless .
Nah, he was playing with the idea that he could tell you to your face who he was but that he could fool you into thinking he was just being playful. "Like...why would I admit to being a predator if I'm a predator?" Look back at his comments about "spoofing authority". He had come to believe he could control his universe and that his submarine would protect him against all authority. (Hah, Until it became part of the trove of evidence that convicted him.) Ted Bundy knew well about his desires too. And it didn't stop him from indulging them. It's their pathology. These are social predators with no remorse for their actions. These are dangerous humans.
As someone who lived with a narcissist for most of my life, trust me when I say he wasn't crying for help, he was bragging! He was saying, "I'm literally telling you what I want and plan to do, and you're all too stupid to see it! People who don't care about hurting other people don't ask for help in trying to stop themselves, they get off on everyone else being too stupid to stop them!
i’m really tired of people who do heinous things being painted as slaves to their ‘natures’ or whatever. there are plenty of people with low empathy- on the autism spectrum, for example, who are completely nonviolent. they aren’t innate killers. there is no gene for being a murderer. there is no special psychological disorder necessary for being able to assault women. the millions of german citizens who were complicit in the holocaust weren’t biologically or psychologically unique among the human condition. peter madsen was just a violent, sadistic asshole who hated women. simple as.
I just saw this and I have to say it's one of the best documentaries and even best pieces of film I've ever seen, truly. I think it was one of those cases where someone was doing some excellent and interesting journalism and ended up covering a story they never could have foreseen. Apart from the obvious tragedy of the victim, I felt very sad for those who were part of his little organization. They struck me as very well meaning and idealistic people who put a lot of time and effort into something that was itself quirky but not at all evil. For an amateur organization with little real funding, they accomplished some extraordinary things. How often do regular citizen scientists and engineers these days get to reach for such goals and actually create things that normally only billionaires and governments get to have? Think of how many young people might have been inspired to become scientists had this thing gone another way and lasted another ten years! I could tell how torn up his team was guilt about not seeing him for what he was, but I don't think there's any real way they could have. Sure, he said some bizarre and sometimes disturbing things leading up to it, but a lot of people have dark humor and in the role of eccentric "mad scientist" he had the perfect cover. Even if they had known he was clinically a narcissist psychopath, even few of them go on to commit such horrible crimes. What could they have done to stop him? What could the police have realistically done prior to this crime had one or more of them told officers "I think this guys is crazy"?
The only thing in this documentary is when they start to portray this guy as something other than what he was. An evil, sadistic, murderer, narcissistic, sociopath. He was looking to kill someone who fooled all of his staff He got off on murdering her because that's the only way this POS can get off. Just the way there built.
The way he had all these people working for him and had a whole cult of personality vibe, even the gradiose nature of his first email to Emma... dude just gives major narcissist vibes in retrospect.
Ex pres, same. Watching the doc,this guy was telling on himself.The jokes about killing to the other woman.She seemed uncomfortable and rightly so..Nothing funny about joking like that. One of the red flags.Andwhen he got back to shore without her,his response and the woman on the ground being consoled crying already knew.Horrible smh.
Blew my mind how this man sat chatting about murdering his neighbours wife and his right to remain silent total evil as he KNEW exactly what he planned to do ..they should have put him UNDER the jail
I hope this world is filled with Many more people like Emma that seek the truth and help as many as possible . As for the criminals in this world.... the Emma's are watching and seeking justice . Thank you Emma and I hope that your life is filled with Many blessed days ahead
I believe he’s killed before too . You’ll never get it out of him he’s a airtight pathological liar. Unless a psychologist can get him to feel remorse it’s hopeless. Authorities should retrace his steps & see if anyone had gone missing in the area at that time. He’s a real sickpos!
You’re likely right. Reason being that they also found another decapitsted woman in the same bay a few years earlier. They never pinned that murder on him, but personally I’m convinced he was behind it.
The Ocean gave back Kim & thank heavens Karen was there to shine the light on the story that then began to unfold.. giving everyone on change the help lead to the truth.. an incredible documentary..sun a tragic grugsome unimaginable horror that took Kim from her creative life &all those who loved & knew her... 😔
I watched 'Mindhunter' twice and just finished watching, 'Into the Deep'. The mind is even more fascinating than Space. How can you be looking to conquer Space and then go down the deep end, in such a way?! Just incomprehensible and mind-boggling. Wow! I wonder if it might be that too much individualism, can lead people to explore some dark areas regardless of the cost. The man was so driven by exploring his fantasies to such a depth( pardon the pun), it's scary. These kinds of people make sex scary...because it's not just about the sex. It's something else completely. And almost always,(with some exceptions) it's a male thing.
Reminds me of how very wealthy, powerful people who can have anything they want often fall into debauchery. Nothing is exciting to them anymore and they must search deeper and darker paths to feel alive
It is in the public interest to watch this documentary, and I'm surprised it didn't get higher ratings on IMDb. I'd really like to thank Emma Sullivan for getting it into the open despite some people urging her not to. I do understand the trauma it must have been for the people involved in Madsen's life to see themselves on screen after what happened, but this documentary is a real eye opener as far as the difficulty to spot psychopaths in real life is concerned. I already knew that Madsen killed Kim Wall when I came across this documentary. I remembered the story pretty well: I had followed it on the Internet when Kim Wall disappeared and I really hoped she would be found alive and well. Then the horrifying truth was revealed and I came as a shock. Who would do such a horrible thing knowing that they would end up being the prime suspect anyway? And why...? I hoped that watching this documentary would help me get answers to those questions. But it did much more than that... I watched "Into the Deep" a month ago and it still haunts me. I can't stop thinking about it. It has affected the way I see myself and those around me. I'm an avid reader. Mostly thrillers, but also books about the human mind. I've always prided myself on my sharp instincts. Each time I meet someone, I intuitively can tell whether we'll get along or not; whether I can trust them or not; whether they are good people or not. My friends and family often ask for my opinion about a new aquaintance (sometims sending me pictures so I can tell them what I can sense), because this kind of 6th sense I have seldom fails me. And yet... As I've said before, I already knew what Madsen had done when I began watching this documentary. I thought it would focus on the crime and the investigation that followed, but instead Emma Sullivan showed us how Peter Madsen functioned in everyday life, months prior to what happened in his submarine, and the way he was viewed by those who knew him. I watched him closely, expecting to spot various signs that he was a monster. A coldness in his eyes. Someting fishy in his behavior, or the way he spoke... My 6th sense would surely kick in, wouldn't it, when faced with a real psychopath? After all, I'd read lots of thrillers, and also books about sociopathy and psychopathy, so I knew what to look for... But the truth is I wouldn't have had a clue, if I had met him in real life. Worse than that: I would have trusted him. Yeah: he seemed a bit annoying, but... normal. And harmless. So ******* harmless! Interesting, easygoing, fun to be around despite his eccentric behavior. That's all I saw despite knowing he was a heartless monster. (Sure, some of the comments he made did send chills down my spine (especially the last three minutes of the documentary), but only because I was hearing them in full retrospect.) No alarm bells set off. And that terrified me even more than Madsen's horrendous crime: my confidence in my so-called 6th sense was totally shattered by this documentary. The extent in which psychopaths can totally fool the people around them is unsettling, and scary as hell. I see "Into the Deep" as a warning that anyone could be dangerous, and that we should be very careful when it comes to giving our trust to people we barely know. Sometimes instincts are not enough. Sometimes they can fail us. I can't bring myself to think of how terrorized Kim Wall must have been when the charismatic man she wanted to interview dropped the mask... :'( Rest In Peace...
WOW!! SO perfectly said, every word. I, too, feel as though being an empath I have that "6th sense" about people, new or lingering. I can feel a bad mood or sadness. I knew about this case before the documentary as well. And I've watched it probably 10 times now, trying to see "it." Of course, it was limited time captured and the only time I did feel that creepy vibe is when we was staring at Emma, when she was fixing his mic. An animalistic look. I thought she felt it when she turned to the camera, but again, in retrospect you SEE IT. There is nothing that gives him away, people talk creepy shit all the time. As true crime consumer, people could look at me and question what I watch or read about. His dreams seemed so big, involving so many people!! And thus, he KNEW it/they/he would all be destroyed by this horrific act he could not suppress. How did he hide it in plane sight??
the way the documentary was edited, catching him saying extremely inappropriate things, the text messages going way too far (describing in detail how you would murder someone when the lady made a joke ironically? why even go that far), you could see something was not right. at best, he was on the spectrum and socially inappropriate. he made people feel uncomfortable and they awkwardly laughed off his comments. i think that was the point you mentioned, people just laughed it off even though someone tells you explicitly to your face. he craved attention and spotlight on him at all times, even though he wasn't qualified. quite pathetic when we were shown he would tell actual engineers off. he alienated many volunteers and colleagues. he disregarded authority and systems because they could see him for what he was - an unqualified person pushing boundaries. he is exactly what the trial's clinical psychologist diagnosed him with. psychopathy with narcissism and disregard for others. there doesn't HAVE to be one single telltale mark of a psychopath. his entire existence up to the point of him committing an awful crime which sadly resulted in the senseless loss of life, show that he was antisocial and perverse. unable to assimilate in to a normal functioning society. would i have been able to predict what this psychopath was going to do if i knew him? no. would i have been very uncomfortable around this person and stayed away from them outside of "work"? yes.
I watched this documentary from start to finish and its so creepy, disturbing and gutwrenching that this man disguised himself as an inventor, an entrepreneur with a totally twisted and warped, evil mind and unfortunately Kim Wall, had to see his face as the absolute last face before she was brutally murdered. I wouldn't doubt that there are more victims, maybe not deceased but victimized by him one way or another......
Narcissistic, delusions of grandeur, psychopathic. A deadly triad of personality traits. I'm certain if he'd gotten away with this murder he would have done it again.
Wow the guy wanted to be the next Elon Musk but he was nothing but a narcissistic psychopath. It was a good documentary. I had heard of this case at the time but this film really presented this case in full. Well done.
There are messages that come in mysterious ways. Documentary filmer Emma (it’s like being at the right time n right place) At times to attain extraordinary achievements there is always a price to pay for. Peter looks like a normal guy who is funny n mischievous but not a killer or psycho. Maybe the submarine needed blood from the evil from the underworld. So Kim was at the wrong place at the wrong time. Possibly there was an accident and Peter in a wrong frame of mind got attacked by an evil and experimented to check if cut would the torso float. The movie has the quote: the ocean never keeps secrets. So the force above the sea that is the sky where the Almighty lives is more powerful. The sexual assault .. like an exorcist attacking in disguise. But the messages chats to Sarah are also strange. So if there was another side of him .. how this got unnoticed by his team members. It’s probably a message given is: Man has to explore Beyond and The Almighty has given this wisdom brain. Whatever done has to be done in limits with only Almighty in mind. Some places people live on this planet don’t even have a fear of The Almighty and don’t know he exists. These are reminders probably.
You very well could have stopped a serial killer or he was on his way. He invited another female that was on the crew to come on the submarine with him alone!
Why did that one woman’s face look dignity Altered ?It was as if she had a filter on or even deep fakes! Please someone else tell me that you notice the same thing
It was at her request to be digitally altered and different name in the documentary, Sara, because of the nature of the film. Its common to protect those close to crime cases like this one. Especially with technology these days, easy to alter and instead of a blur over the face, it’s a digital face. A couple people decided to be cut from the documentary after the Sundance screening in 2020 and some of the voices on other people in the film have been altered as well.
Yes, i noticed that, too. It was strange to watch but then I've learned that some people wanted to be altered. She had so much anxiety that I don't blame her.
@Interlude: Twisted Elegance no she did not know what was going on! She did not know that he really was a sick human. And the fact that he actually wanted to take her down in the UC3 before Kim the realization contributed to her mental fear and anxiety. She had no idea what he was about and she holds no responsibility for what he did! And if you are going to go down that route than you may want to rewatch the documentary and listen to all of his co works and see what they realized after the fact!!! And by the way, she did bring those text messages to the police and the information from this documentary helped greatly in getting him a life conviction.
In the documentary she's referred to as his 'friend' but in the court documents/news reports she was his 'lover'. They played down her relationship with him and hid her face.. . Can't blame her really.
He's not "constantly hinting he wants to murder people". He was constantly hyperbolic about how he described everything. Everyone got used to him using extremes to express every thought, so they just dismissed it, as you would have too. The guy probably described the eggs he had for breakfast as "two exploded bird ovulations, seared in a metal bath of flame and horror." When you hear that from a guy night and day for years, you stop hearing it. The only reason you think you'd know better is because of the convenience of knowing how it ends. These people around him weren't stupid or blind, they just summed him up as eccentric, egotistical and odd. To put anything on these people for not imagining the unimaginable is frankly cruel and knowitallism of the worst kind.
@@Cre80s No. 1st, if you have worked at a company, joking about killing your colleagues will get you in trouble. 2nd, even if I don't know the ending. I've never head anyone in my circle of joking about killing me. That's why to me it is odd that nobody noticed that in the docu. So if you hear someone joking about murder constantly, there is something wrong with that person. Don't just ignore it. The problem with the people involved in this case is they ignored the signs for whatever reason.
I'm pretty sure this isn't real. I saw the "documentary" and it just seemed too convenient and too rehearsed. I think it is one of those faux documentaries. And the acting wasn't very good either.
Its so crazy that she was filming a murder investigation in real time with no intention in making a crime documentary. Like she was filming up to the point he actually killed that poor girl.
It really scares me how "normal" sick people like him look. You would never be able to tell he was capable of such violent crime, had such obscure thoughts, anybody would've trusted him and gone down into the sea with him, he was surounded by so many and nobody ever realized anything 😢😢😢
Brava to Emma for being so sincere with her curiosity and for her willingness to follow her instincts. I think she was led to that path so she could be the eyes and ears and bring perfect truth by simply being present and observing. Truly chilling to know what later happened and startling to watch this madness unfold. But, she did what was most important; she was a witness to this experience and documented the unbiased truth so that the victim may truly rest in peace. Just goes to show you that what was done in the dark will ALWAYS be brought into the light. 🕯️Well done Emma. Rest in peace Kim Wall 🕊️
This is by far the BEST documentary I’ve ever watched , sat watching a real life psychopath and the crime unfold , is chilling and beyond sad .. love to Kim’s family
That poor woman! The terror she must have felt when she realised her fate.
He reminded me of Hannibal Lector in that jumpsuit thing he wore.
These degenerate inhuman monsters walk among us!
The weird thing about it is that he seemed so determined to take advantage of the opportunity that he didn't really think any of it through. He was bound to be caught under his current plan, but I think he finds himself to be a very convincing fellow, and that sometimes blinds people to the holes in their plotlines. In his heart, he probably felt he was ever going to live his life to the fullest, he had to do this.
The last segment of the Netflix programme is incredibly chilling, given what Madsen did. It’s also a warped cry for help in a way - he knew his desires were malfeasant but he realised that was his nature nonetheless .
Nah, he was playing with the idea that he could tell you to your face who he was but that he could fool you into thinking he was just being playful. "Like...why would I admit to being a predator if I'm a predator?" Look back at his comments about "spoofing authority". He had come to believe he could control his universe and that his submarine would protect him against all authority. (Hah, Until it became part of the trove of evidence that convicted him.) Ted Bundy knew well about his desires too. And it didn't stop him from indulging them. It's their pathology. These are social predators with no remorse for their actions. These are dangerous humans.
Yeah he definitely knew what he was, that struck me too. Very revealing that he chose to discuss that 🤔
It wasn't a cry for help, he had duping delight throughout that final clip.
As someone who lived with a narcissist for most of my life, trust me when I say he wasn't crying for help, he was bragging! He was saying, "I'm literally telling you what I want and plan to do, and you're all too stupid to see it! People who don't care about hurting other people don't ask for help in trying to stop themselves, they get off on everyone else being too stupid to stop them!
i’m really tired of people who do heinous things being painted as slaves to their ‘natures’ or whatever. there are plenty of people with low empathy- on the autism spectrum, for example, who are completely nonviolent. they aren’t innate killers. there is no gene for being a murderer. there is no special psychological disorder necessary for being able to assault women. the millions of german citizens who were complicit in the holocaust weren’t biologically or psychologically unique among the human condition. peter madsen was just a violent, sadistic asshole who hated women. simple as.
I just saw this and I have to say it's one of the best documentaries and even best pieces of film I've ever seen, truly.
I think it was one of those cases where someone was doing some excellent and interesting journalism and ended up covering a story they never could have foreseen.
Apart from the obvious tragedy of the victim, I felt very sad for those who were part of his little organization. They struck me as very well meaning and idealistic people who put a lot of time and effort into something that was itself quirky but not at all evil. For an amateur organization with little real funding, they accomplished some extraordinary things. How often do regular citizen scientists and engineers these days get to reach for such goals and actually create things that normally only billionaires and governments get to have? Think of how many young people might have been inspired to become scientists had this thing gone another way and lasted another ten years!
I could tell how torn up his team was guilt about not seeing him for what he was, but I don't think there's any real way they could have. Sure, he said some bizarre and sometimes disturbing things leading up to it, but a lot of people have dark humor and in the role of eccentric "mad scientist" he had the perfect cover. Even if they had known he was clinically a narcissist psychopath, even few of them go on to commit such horrible crimes. What could they have done to stop him? What could the police have realistically done prior to this crime had one or more of them told officers "I think this guys is crazy"?
The only thing in this documentary is when they start to portray this guy as something other than what he was.
An evil, sadistic, murderer, narcissistic, sociopath. He was looking to kill someone who fooled all of his staff
He got off on murdering her because that's the only way this POS can get off. Just the way there built.
The way he had all these people working for him and had a whole cult of personality vibe, even the gradiose nature of his first email to Emma... dude just gives major narcissist vibes in retrospect.
Ex pres, same. Watching the doc,this guy was telling on himself.The jokes about killing to the other woman.She seemed uncomfortable and rightly so..Nothing funny about joking like that. One of the red flags.Andwhen he got back to shore without her,his response and the woman on the ground being consoled crying already knew.Horrible smh.
I just finished watching the doc and we must thank the director who decided to make the doc.
It’s an incredibly chilling thing to witness: this fairly normal guy going about his work knowing in hindsight what a monster he actually is.
Blew my mind how this man sat chatting about murdering his neighbours wife and his right to remain silent total evil as he KNEW exactly what he planned to do ..they should have put him UNDER the jail
I hope this world is filled with Many more people like Emma that seek the truth and help as many as possible . As for the criminals in this world.... the Emma's are watching and seeking justice . Thank you Emma and I hope that your life is filled with Many blessed days ahead
I’m certain this was not the first time he killed someone
I really did wonder about that too. Perhaps in his youth even.
I believe he’s killed before too . You’ll never get it out of him he’s a airtight pathological liar. Unless a psychologist can get him to feel remorse it’s hopeless. Authorities should retrace his steps & see if anyone had gone missing in the area at that time. He’s a real sickpos!
I definitely believe Kim was not he’s first victim.
But who?
You’re likely right. Reason being that they also found another decapitsted woman in the same bay a few years earlier. They never pinned that murder on him, but personally I’m convinced he was behind it.
Theres a part where shes adjusting his microphone and hes like staring at her and its like eek😬
This was a chilling, thought-provoking documentary. Well done.
The Ocean gave back Kim & thank heavens Karen was there to shine the light on the story that then began to unfold.. giving everyone on change the help lead to the truth.. an incredible documentary..sun a tragic grugsome unimaginable horror that took Kim from her creative life &all those who loved & knew her... 😔
Just got done watching this……incredible documentary under the circumstances and absolutely horrifying. He’s a fucking monster!
I’ve never seen a documentary like this before it was so good!
I watched 'Mindhunter' twice and just finished watching, 'Into the Deep'. The mind is even more fascinating than Space. How can you be looking to conquer Space and then go down the deep end, in such a way?!
Just incomprehensible and mind-boggling. Wow!
I wonder if it might be that too much individualism, can lead people to explore some dark areas regardless of the cost. The man was so driven by exploring his fantasies to such a depth( pardon the pun), it's scary.
These kinds of people make sex scary...because it's not just about the sex. It's something else completely. And almost always,(with some exceptions) it's a male thing.
Reminds me of how very wealthy, powerful people who can have anything they want often fall into debauchery. Nothing is exciting to them anymore and they must search deeper and darker paths to feel alive
It is in the public interest to watch this documentary, and I'm surprised it didn't get higher ratings on IMDb. I'd really like to thank Emma Sullivan for getting it into the open despite some people urging her not to. I do understand the trauma it must have been for the people involved in Madsen's life to see themselves on screen after what happened, but this documentary is a real eye opener as far as the difficulty to spot psychopaths in real life is concerned.
I already knew that Madsen killed Kim Wall when I came across this documentary. I remembered the story pretty well: I had followed it on the Internet when Kim Wall disappeared and I really hoped she would be found alive and well. Then the horrifying truth was revealed and I came as a shock. Who would do such a horrible thing knowing that they would end up being the prime suspect anyway? And why...? I hoped that watching this documentary would help me get answers to those questions. But it did much more than that...
I watched "Into the Deep" a month ago and it still haunts me. I can't stop thinking about it. It has affected the way I see myself and those around me.
I'm an avid reader. Mostly thrillers, but also books about the human mind. I've always prided myself on my sharp instincts. Each time I meet someone, I intuitively can tell whether we'll get along or not; whether I can trust them or not; whether they are good people or not. My friends and family often ask for my opinion about a new aquaintance (sometims sending me pictures so I can tell them what I can sense), because this kind of 6th sense I have seldom fails me. And yet...
As I've said before, I already knew what Madsen had done when I began watching this documentary. I thought it would focus on the crime and the investigation that followed, but instead Emma Sullivan showed us how Peter Madsen functioned in everyday life, months prior to what happened in his submarine, and the way he was viewed by those who knew him. I watched him closely, expecting to spot various signs that he was a monster. A coldness in his eyes. Someting fishy in his behavior, or the way he spoke... My 6th sense would surely kick in, wouldn't it, when faced with a real psychopath? After all, I'd read lots of thrillers, and also books about sociopathy and psychopathy, so I knew what to look for... But the truth is I wouldn't have had a clue, if I had met him in real life. Worse than that: I would have trusted him. Yeah: he seemed a bit annoying, but... normal. And harmless. So ******* harmless! Interesting, easygoing, fun to be around despite his eccentric behavior. That's all I saw despite knowing he was a heartless monster. (Sure, some of the comments he made did send chills down my spine (especially the last three minutes of the documentary), but only because I was hearing them in full retrospect.) No alarm bells set off. And that terrified me even more than Madsen's horrendous crime: my confidence in my so-called 6th sense was totally shattered by this documentary.
The extent in which psychopaths can totally fool the people around them is unsettling, and scary as hell. I see "Into the Deep" as a warning that anyone could be dangerous, and that we should be very careful when it comes to giving our trust to people we barely know. Sometimes instincts are not enough. Sometimes they can fail us.
I can't bring myself to think of how terrorized Kim Wall must have been when the charismatic man she wanted to interview dropped the mask... :'( Rest In Peace...
WOW!! SO perfectly said, every word. I, too, feel as though being an empath I have that "6th sense" about people, new or lingering. I can feel a bad mood or sadness. I knew about this case before the documentary as well. And I've watched it probably 10 times now, trying to see "it." Of course, it was limited time captured and the only time I did feel that creepy vibe is when we was staring at Emma, when she was fixing his mic. An animalistic look. I thought she felt it when she turned to the camera, but again, in retrospect you SEE IT. There is nothing that gives him away, people talk creepy shit all the time. As true crime consumer, people could look at me and question what I watch or read about.
His dreams seemed so big, involving so many people!! And thus, he KNEW it/they/he would all be destroyed by this horrific act he could not suppress. How did he hide it in plane sight??
the way the documentary was edited, catching him saying extremely inappropriate things, the text messages going way too far (describing in detail how you would murder someone when the lady made a joke ironically? why even go that far), you could see something was not right. at best, he was on the spectrum and socially inappropriate. he made people feel uncomfortable and they awkwardly laughed off his comments. i think that was the point you mentioned, people just laughed it off even though someone tells you explicitly to your face. he craved attention and spotlight on him at all times, even though he wasn't qualified. quite pathetic when we were shown he would tell actual engineers off. he alienated many volunteers and colleagues. he disregarded authority and systems because they could see him for what he was - an unqualified person pushing boundaries. he is exactly what the trial's clinical psychologist diagnosed him with. psychopathy with narcissism and disregard for others. there doesn't HAVE to be one single telltale mark of a psychopath. his entire existence up to the point of him committing an awful crime which sadly resulted in the senseless loss of life, show that he was antisocial and perverse. unable to assimilate in to a normal functioning society. would i have been able to predict what this psychopath was going to do if i knew him? no. would i have been very uncomfortable around this person and stayed away from them outside of "work"? yes.
I watched this documentary from start to finish and its so creepy, disturbing and gutwrenching that this man disguised himself as an inventor, an entrepreneur with a totally twisted and warped, evil mind and unfortunately Kim Wall, had to see his face as the absolute last face before she was brutally murdered. I wouldn't doubt that there are more victims, maybe not deceased but victimized by him one way or another......
This is an amazing and shocking documentary; a tragic situation. I highly recommend...
Narcissistic, delusions of grandeur, psychopathic. A deadly triad of personality traits. I'm certain if he'd gotten away with this murder he would have done it again.
Potentially premeditated??? He brought a saw to a submarine the day before the murder!!!!
He's a shame to all danes 😕
he knew what he was going to do and he knew the documentary crew was going to film the aftermath
The fact that this was not planned.
Sarah definitely needs to be looked at
Do we know anything about the nature of what exactly got him "fired" from the previous company next door?
Very tragic, but plenty of praise for the Danish Police.
Great Documentary, but I was just wondering, whatever happened to the stuff members???
Wow the guy wanted to be the next Elon Musk but he was nothing but a narcissistic psychopath. It was a good documentary. I had heard of this case at the time but this film really presented this case in full. Well done.
So exactly the same as Elon musk then, just without the money
Musk isn’t too far off from being a Bond villain himself.
This was so sad
Ladies, always choose the bear 😢❤
Don't know how things work up in Scandinavia there, but here in the U.S., nobody would spend any kind of time around a dingleberry like this dude.
You’re so wrong about that
Saw this on Streamberry
crazier than a s*it house rat.......
His name is pronounced without the d. Massen. The d is silent.
There are messages that come in mysterious ways. Documentary filmer Emma (it’s like being at the right time n right place)
At times to attain extraordinary achievements there is always a price to pay for.
Peter looks like a normal guy who is funny n mischievous but not a killer or psycho.
Maybe the submarine needed blood from the evil from the underworld.
So Kim was at the wrong place at the wrong time.
Possibly there was an accident and Peter in a wrong frame of mind got attacked by an evil and experimented to check if cut would the torso float. The movie has the quote: the ocean never keeps secrets. So the force above the sea that is the sky where the Almighty lives is more powerful.
The sexual assault .. like an exorcist attacking in disguise.
But the messages chats to Sarah are also strange. So if there was another side of him .. how this got unnoticed by his team members.
It’s probably a message given is: Man has to explore Beyond and The Almighty has given this wisdom brain. Whatever done has to be done in limits with only Almighty in mind.
Some places people live on this planet don’t even have a fear of The Almighty and don’t know he exists.
These are reminders probably.
Word salad... Seek help.
You obviously never met with him alone.
You very well could have stopped a serial killer or he was on his way. He invited another female that was on the crew to come on the submarine with him alone!
Why did that one woman’s face look dignity Altered ?It was as if she had a filter on or even deep fakes! Please someone else tell me that you notice the same thing
It was at her request to be digitally altered and different name in the documentary, Sara, because of the nature of the film. Its common to protect those close to crime cases like this one. Especially with technology these days, easy to alter and instead of a blur over the face, it’s a digital face. A couple people decided to be cut from the documentary after the Sundance screening in 2020 and some of the voices on other people in the film have been altered as well.
Yes, i noticed that, too. It was strange to watch but then I've learned that some people wanted to be altered. She had so much anxiety that I don't blame her.
@Interlude: Twisted Elegance no she did not know what was going on! She did not know that he really was a sick human. And the fact that he actually wanted to take her down in the UC3 before Kim the realization contributed to her mental fear and anxiety. She had no idea what he was about and she holds no responsibility for what he did! And if you are going to go down that route than you may want to rewatch the documentary and listen to all of his co works and see what they realized after the fact!!! And by the way, she did bring those text messages to the police and the information from this documentary helped greatly in getting him a life conviction.
In the documentary she's referred to as his 'friend' but in the court documents/news reports she was his 'lover'. They played down her relationship with him and hid her face.. . Can't blame her really.
OMG EARLY HII!!
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Hvordan kan han nåede så langt, man kan jo se hvem han er, bare efter nogle interviews
I don't understand how people didn't see that he's a psychopath. The dude is constantly hinting that he wants to murder people.
He's not "constantly hinting he wants to murder people". He was constantly hyperbolic about how he described everything. Everyone got used to him using extremes to express every thought, so they just dismissed it, as you would have too. The guy probably described the eggs he had for breakfast as "two exploded bird ovulations, seared in a metal bath of flame and horror." When you hear that from a guy night and day for years, you stop hearing it. The only reason you think you'd know better is because of the convenience of knowing how it ends. These people around him weren't stupid or blind, they just summed him up as eccentric, egotistical and odd. To put anything on these people for not imagining the unimaginable is frankly cruel and knowitallism of the worst kind.
@@Cre80s No.
1st, if you have worked at a company, joking about killing your colleagues will get you in trouble.
2nd, even if I don't know the ending. I've never head anyone in my circle of joking about killing me. That's why to me it is odd that nobody noticed that in the docu.
So if you hear someone joking about murder constantly, there is something wrong with that person. Don't just ignore it.
The problem with the people involved in this case is they ignored the signs for whatever reason.
@@Chris-jm2gx ...but it happened exactly like you said it shouldn't have. 😏 If the world was only as sparkley as you.✨
I felt like this was really about showing off the AI face. Interesting doc tho. I've seen this case before on YT.
Money.
Fame.
First
I'm pretty sure this isn't real. I saw the "documentary" and it just seemed too convenient and too rehearsed. I think it is one of those faux documentaries. And the acting wasn't very good either.
It’s very real!
The f…? this really happened. He’s behind bars after actually attempting to escape.
This documentary was trash.
The IMDb is low too (6.5). I haven't seen the documentary yet so I'm curious why is it trash and do you recommend that I watch it
Brilliant work, thank you.
His eternity burning in Hell is in my nightly prayers.