It's so interesting that in the era where off-spin is considered basically dead, we have 2 of the best off-spinners of all time, Nathon Lyon and Ravichandran Ashwin.
Another interesting thing I remember (I think) about SA in the first BBL season was that SA were often playing three spinners, which seemed unusual at the time. This might have helped get Lyon games early on, though he quickly became the primary spinner if he wasn't already. Love the high density fact-filled storytelling and quality analysis here!
A number of spinners had a go: Hogg, MacGill, Miller, Symonds, Hauritz, Krejza, Cullen, Casson, McGain, Smith, Beer. Some were already towards the end of their careers, some only got a few games, while Smith turned into a batsman.
@5014eric what meant to ask was that the podcast said Warne wasn't the biggest fan of Lyon What I was asking why was Warne modest and restrained with his praise for Lyon instead of being wholesome and gushing with praise
Lyon is consistently decent enough to hold his spot, but during the early and middle stages of his career Australia were close to dropping him a handful of times. His greatest weapon is also his biggest setback, and while he has a great number of total wickets over his long career, I will always remember him for his downfall. His downfall is that he thrives in the same conditions the Aussie quicks do. Bouncy hard surfaces with a firm ball. The good thing about this is it makes him a good early change, and helps Australia rattle through teams when things are going well. The bad thing is that he struggles, and therefore the team struggles, when the quicks do. A spinner should be able to take over as the pitch gets older and ball gets softer. Lyon does not. His bowling average in 3rd and 4th innings isn't much better than his first innings average, which is insanity, and it used to often lead for calls for another spinner whenever he failed to spin teams out in the 4th innings. A problem that follows him across his whole career, from the SA in Adelaide debacle (that would go on to cost them the series) to India in Sydney and the GABBA. He is still a fantastic player in his own right, but he is dysfunctional in the classic role of a spinner. It's like having a medium swing bowler who can bowl a trillion overs as your 4th pick.
A lot of this is correct. Except for the fact that it seems to be working for them as a team, rather than being a hindrance, as you make mention is relation to when the quick arnt doing well.
@@jacobkuntflapp I think Australia probably pick up more wins in those hard to win games with a classic spinner than Lyon. But in games they're taking wickets in he's better. He's basically a 'win more' player IMO.
Never seen a bowler- spinner or fast, as accurate as Lyon since the 1990s. I heard that Lance Gibbs was accurate too but Lyon definitely is more attacking. Whatta Legend. ❤
I find it amusing when people equate Lyon to Ashwin. Equating Lyon to Ashwin is like comparing a Srinath or Vaas to a Mcgrath or Pollock. Similar to Lyon both Srinath and Vaas too did a good job for their team without much support bowling over half their career in unhelpful conditions, but we don't see them being compared to Mcgrath or Pollock right.. Somehow we stop using Bowling Average as a benchmark to rate bowlers the moment a good-but-not-great Australian or English cricketer (Broad) end up with a huge volume of wickets owing largely to mediocre competition for their spot in their team.
Let alone the genius of Ashwin and the immense skillset, variety and intelligence he possesses, which has allowed him to be so effective in ODIs and T20s as an offspinner in an era where offspinners were avoided like the plague.
I don't like the habit of using "southpaw" to refer to left-handed batters. The term comes from baseball, where it referred to a left arm pitcher (if the home plate is on the west side and the pitcher looks that way, his left hand is on the south side). From there it came to mean left-handed generally, which makes sense. But left-handed for batting is something different - one's batting direction doesn't correspond to one's dominant (or bowling/pitching) hand.
What a weird thing to care about. It’s across all sports to talk about left handers. It also stops you saying lefty, or left hander 23 times. It’s literally the name of a boxing stance for lefties. It’s ok. We can all breath now
I think it was a case that teams sat on Vettori and took no risks due to the rest of the attacks being so weak. Vettori was a better bowler all round in my mind 300 wickets in both Test and ODI set him apart
Let's be real here. Ajmal destroying right handers wasn't doosra-related. It was chucking-related. Oh wait I guess I just said the same thing twice huh? Interesting analysis as always.
@jarrod why no one ever talks more about saeed ajmal. For me he was the best spinner I’ve ever seen apart from ashwin of course but still ashwin doesn’t bowl from start to death whenever needed in whatever format it might be. That one over to hussey is the only time ajmal got handled tbh but never apart from that. For me the biggest downfall for saeed ajmal was ‘misbah and his shitty era’ with players in his team just as selfish and idiotic(likes of umer akmal, sohaib maqsood, ahmed shehzad etc) and below average as he was himself. Would love to see a more thorough video on saeed ajmal some day on this channel instead of just a mare mention of him.
You know he had an illegal action right? That 15° arm straightening rule they have, his doosra was straightening 43° and he was rightfully banned. He came back but wasn't effective.
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He's taken 500 wickets in a team where 10 wickets fall mostly to pace, his journey has been nothing short of incredible.
Great video, mate. Lyon continues to grow as a cricketer. Average is nearly below 30, too.
“Garry” is definitely one of the limpest nicknames of all time. “Bowling Garry”
It's so interesting that in the era where off-spin is considered basically dead, we have 2 of the best off-spinners of all time, Nathon Lyon and Ravichandran Ashwin.
in what way is it considered dead? there’s plenty of left handers going around with a big weakness to offspin
@@snadboi936he’s obviously referring to offies as a genuine strike option i mean.
and here I thought it was legspin that was in danger
@@tricksbyumer exactly
@@chaudharisaab legspin is in a similar position in test cricket.
I had thought of Mark Higgs before you mentioned him, I think I am unwell.
Another interesting thing I remember (I think) about SA in the first BBL season was that SA were often playing three spinners, which seemed unusual at the time. This might have helped get Lyon games early on, though he quickly became the primary spinner if he wasn't already.
Love the high density fact-filled storytelling and quality analysis here!
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Yes Gary !!
Just fantastic content mate 👏
The Goat amongst horoughbreds. So good Jarrod 😂
I still believe there are people in cricket Australia who would still drop lyon
Tbh he was lucky that there weren't many better for over half of his career, and the few who were were indisciplined bogans.
Can someone explain what happened between Lyon and Warne?
A number of spinners had a go: Hogg, MacGill, Miller, Symonds, Hauritz, Krejza, Cullen, Casson, McGain, Smith, Beer.
Some were already towards the end of their careers, some only got a few games, while Smith turned into a batsman.
@5014eric what meant to ask was that the podcast said Warne wasn't the biggest fan of Lyon
What I was asking why was Warne modest and restrained with his praise for Lyon instead of being wholesome and gushing with praise
Great video!
Where do you find this graphs ordo you draw them?
Love the content, but THREE promotions in one vid is pushing it, Jarrod.
Watching them is not compulsory. :}
Love the content. Jarrod, you deserve to get as much financial support as you can for this amazing work
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Lyon is consistently decent enough to hold his spot, but during the early and middle stages of his career Australia were close to dropping him a handful of times. His greatest weapon is also his biggest setback, and while he has a great number of total wickets over his long career, I will always remember him for his downfall.
His downfall is that he thrives in the same conditions the Aussie quicks do. Bouncy hard surfaces with a firm ball. The good thing about this is it makes him a good early change, and helps Australia rattle through teams when things are going well. The bad thing is that he struggles, and therefore the team struggles, when the quicks do. A spinner should be able to take over as the pitch gets older and ball gets softer. Lyon does not.
His bowling average in 3rd and 4th innings isn't much better than his first innings average, which is insanity, and it used to often lead for calls for another spinner whenever he failed to spin teams out in the 4th innings. A problem that follows him across his whole career, from the SA in Adelaide debacle (that would go on to cost them the series) to India in Sydney and the GABBA.
He is still a fantastic player in his own right, but he is dysfunctional in the classic role of a spinner. It's like having a medium swing bowler who can bowl a trillion overs as your 4th pick.
A lot of this is correct. Except for the fact that it seems to be working for them as a team, rather than being a hindrance, as you make mention is relation to when the quick arnt doing well.
@@jacobkuntflapp I think Australia probably pick up more wins in those hard to win games with a classic spinner than Lyon. But in games they're taking wickets in he's better. He's basically a 'win more' player IMO.
Never seen a bowler- spinner or fast, as accurate as Lyon since the 1990s. I heard that Lance Gibbs was accurate too but Lyon definitely is more attacking. Whatta Legend. ❤
I suppose you have never seen the 1,234,567 odd Left-Arm offspinners in the 'history of cricket'..
Love the Wagga Wagga mention #5oclockwave
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I find it amusing when people equate Lyon to Ashwin. Equating Lyon to Ashwin is like comparing a Srinath or Vaas to a Mcgrath or Pollock. Similar to Lyon both Srinath and Vaas too did a good job for their team without much support bowling over half their career in unhelpful conditions, but we don't see them being compared to Mcgrath or Pollock right..
Somehow we stop using Bowling Average as a benchmark to rate bowlers the moment a good-but-not-great Australian or English cricketer (Broad) end up with a huge volume of wickets owing largely to mediocre competition for their spot in their team.
Let alone the genius of Ashwin and the immense skillset, variety and intelligence he possesses, which has allowed him to be so effective in ODIs and T20s as an offspinner in an era where offspinners were avoided like the plague.
I don't like the habit of using "southpaw" to refer to left-handed batters. The term comes from baseball, where it referred to a left arm pitcher (if the home plate is on the west side and the pitcher looks that way, his left hand is on the south side). From there it came to mean left-handed generally, which makes sense. But left-handed for batting is something different - one's batting direction doesn't correspond to one's dominant (or bowling/pitching) hand.
What a weird thing to care about. It’s across all sports to talk about left handers. It also stops you saying lefty, or left hander 23 times. It’s literally the name of a boxing stance for lefties. It’s ok. We can all breath now
always through he was Gary because he was the goat ie "gary the goat" which was popular at the time
If Daniel Vettori had a bowling supporting cast of the similar quality how likely would he had been to have taken 500+ wickets
I think Lyon is a better bowler, better in both attack and defence. Vettori was pretty good too but he was more of a holding bowler. Cheers.
I think it was a case that teams sat on Vettori and took no risks due to the rest of the attacks being so weak. Vettori was a better bowler all round in my mind 300 wickets in both Test and ODI set him apart
Let's be real here. Ajmal destroying right handers wasn't doosra-related. It was chucking-related. Oh wait I guess I just said the same thing twice huh? Interesting analysis as always.
@jarrod why no one ever talks more about saeed ajmal. For me he was the best spinner I’ve ever seen apart from ashwin of course but still ashwin doesn’t bowl from start to death whenever needed in whatever format it might be. That one over to hussey is the only time ajmal got handled tbh but never apart from that.
For me the biggest downfall for saeed ajmal was ‘misbah and his shitty era’ with players in his team just as selfish and idiotic(likes of umer akmal, sohaib maqsood, ahmed shehzad etc) and below average as he was himself.
Would love to see a more thorough video on saeed ajmal some day on this channel instead of just a mare mention of him.
You know he had an illegal action right? That 15° arm straightening rule they have, his doosra was straightening 43° and he was rightfully banned. He came back but wasn't effective.
Because he is part of the 'Long-sleeves chuckers' club
@@xeroxjesse 43? Fr mate? Where you getting your facts from mate?
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No Pakistan will win an India as a country will explode.😂😂😂
@@weedtopia4.20I think you got the order reversed brother
@@weedtopia4.20 ok but you should already pre-order barnol
@@weedtopia4.20 and skip tv to watch Matchs
Bit fkn late