www.onthethrott... A Pacific Northwest Racer comes to WERA @ Las Vegas and needs some immediate help in solving multiple handling and tire wear problems.
I couldn't believe how the rider acted like he couldn't give 2 $hits about the bike. He acted like...just fix it and tell me when you are done with it. Dave is a constant professional.. Great Video.
Very few do initially. There's a lot of fear to overcome as well as a lot of voodoo associated with suspension tuners. He listened every minute after that :) Dave Moss Host
You want the ideal sag numbers with an appropriate spring. That's why free sag and rider sag are so important. We will run 2 or 3 springs keeping free and rider sag as constants eg: same installed preload on each spring and tst tire wear and rider feedback on each spring to find the right one. If a spring is wrong then yes, you need to create a band aid fix as best as possible to get by until the correct spring can be sourced. Dave Moss Host
got to appreciate Dave's professionalism most suspension technicians would just start to laugh after looking at this guy and how his "showing stuff" (from the beginning)
@MarsRacingYorkshire Shock should be 30mm of preload with 5-10mm of washers in between the mount and frame depending on axle position. HS compression at 1 turn out and LS compression at 1.25 turns out. Rebound (depending on shock oil weight used for reconditon) should be .75 to 1.5 turns out. Dave Moss Host
@qotsa630 looking to come home to do some track day suspension support and some BSB in 2012. Need to do some research into all of that re rules and regulations, getting permission etc before I get a calender sorted. That will also give me some time to travel around to sort out street bikes via dealership promo's. Seems like a good idea! Dave Moss Host
Another great one Dave. So let me get straight, the ideal SAG numbers will only work with the "correct" spring rate for the rider. So if the spring rate is off in either direction, the SAG will have to be adjusted out of range (so to speak) to compensate for the spring rate.
It was very clear that the tire was the wrong compound so we were desperately trying to make tires last 3 to 4 races rather than one. We managed to be very successful in most cases in making this happen. Dave Moss Host
Mate why are some of these people rude af. Come to Melbourne and I'll be buying you beers every time you help. I appreciate the video more than he appreciates the help lol..
Yes, with the front forks. Springs oil and viscosity will make an enormous difference. The rear shock should be replaced with something better and there are plenty of mad professors out there that have transplanted shocks onto bikes like this. Make the effort and start with the forks. Dave Moss Host
Dave - see at the end when you ask whether the front pops up or still holds the line when he comes off the throttle, what would be the reason and cause for the front to pop up at this point????
Why does it look like this guy is not very interested in what it takes to make the bike handle. Body language tells a lot. I'd be in there with him and asking how and why. Looks very impatient and unappreciative. He'll crash soon enough and not even know why.
Like basically, the i feel like the bike is traveling a lot. up and down while cornering. its soft, but its like im sitting on top of a fitness mall and going down. Mostly down. sudden drops. the spring is on the softest setting.
Dave, My bike is a stock r6s 07. I was told i need a softer spring for my weight (around 142 with all gear). My bike started out too soft in the front, and too hard in the back. I had it tuned as much as possible for the spring. but I find that when in canyon runs, the bike basically squats too much in the rear. Its hard to turn in, i seem to get some nose up. grip seems to be pretty good but i fight to keep it leaned over. also i get a lot of rear drop with bumps. LIKE A ELEVATOR FREE FALLING.
dave, i have almost the same problem as this on my bike (same bike) im about same weight too. ive just had my shock reconditioned and a bigger spring put in but hasnt made a huge difference. i had colin wright have a look at it at cadwell but he said its past its best, what did u do the compression on this one, (if u remember) haha thanks
I couldn't believe how the rider acted like he couldn't give 2 $hits about the bike. He acted like...just fix it and tell me when you are done with it. Dave is a constant professional.. Great Video.
that dude didn't give 2 shits about what Dave was doing! I'd be like hang on let me get my note book n pen!
super racer dude too cool to know how his bike works. all jacked up
Very few do initially. There's a lot of fear to overcome as well as a lot of voodoo associated with suspension tuners. He listened every minute after that :)
Dave Moss
Host
Dave is the man. Without a doubt very insightful and very kind to share the wealth of his knowldge.
cool, I learn a little every time I watch one of these videos.
You want the ideal sag numbers with an appropriate spring. That's why free sag and rider sag are so important. We will run 2 or 3 springs keeping free and rider sag as constants eg: same installed preload on each spring and tst tire wear and rider feedback on each spring to find the right one.
If a spring is wrong then yes, you need to create a band aid fix as best as possible to get by until the correct spring can be sourced.
Dave Moss
Host
i wish i meet people like Dave more often from the videos he looks so knowledgeable and nice.
Great video sir! I hope these people appreciate your expertise!
I got goosebumps you are so good sir dave..
Amazing to see how he just does it by feel and gets it so right. We would all visit him if he was near us.
Your video is very useful. Thanks for the sharing.
Your Videos are great! Thank you!
Dave moss is the king.
got to appreciate Dave's professionalism
most suspension technicians would just start to laugh after looking at this guy and how his "showing stuff" (from the beginning)
@MarsRacingYorkshire Shock should be 30mm of preload with 5-10mm of washers in between the mount and frame depending on axle position. HS compression at 1 turn out and LS compression at 1.25 turns out. Rebound (depending on shock oil weight used for reconditon) should be .75 to 1.5 turns out.
Dave Moss
Host
@qotsa630 looking to come home to do some track day suspension support and some BSB in 2012. Need to do some research into all of that re rules and regulations, getting permission etc before I get a calender sorted. That will also give me some time to travel around to sort out street bikes via dealership promo's. Seems like a good idea!
Dave Moss
Host
Good job!!
Another great one Dave.
So let me get straight, the ideal SAG numbers will only work with the "correct" spring rate for the rider. So if the spring rate is off in either direction, the SAG will have to be adjusted out of range (so to speak) to compensate for the spring rate.
I enjoy your video's dave, job well done. the guy with this gsxr didnt really seem like he wanted to learn what you were telling him
@MaxPayne19146 yes, it was halloween at the WERA races in Vegas!
It was very clear that the tire was the wrong compound so we were desperately trying to make tires last 3 to 4 races rather than one. We managed to be very successful in most cases in making this happen.
Dave Moss
Host
Mate why are some of these people rude af. Come to Melbourne and I'll be buying you beers every time you help. I appreciate the video more than he appreciates the help lol..
Yes, with the front forks. Springs oil and viscosity will make an enormous difference. The rear shock should be replaced with something better and there are plenty of mad professors out there that have transplanted shocks onto bikes like this.
Make the effort and start with the forks.
Dave Moss
Host
I suck at riding on the track; crashed my first time out and fuked up my beautiful bike on the second lap during warm up lol
Dave - see at the end when you ask whether the front pops up or still holds the line when he comes off the throttle, what would be the reason and cause for the front to pop up at this point????
Why does it look like this guy is not very interested in what it takes to make the bike handle. Body language tells a lot. I'd be in there with him and asking how and why. Looks very impatient and unappreciative. He'll crash soon enough and not even know why.
You're absolutely right!
That was tight
Like basically, the i feel like the bike is traveling a lot. up and down while cornering. its soft, but its like im sitting on top of a fitness mall and going down. Mostly down. sudden drops. the spring is on the softest setting.
Dave, My bike is a stock r6s 07. I was told i need a softer spring for my weight (around 142 with all gear). My bike started out too soft in the front, and too hard in the back. I had it tuned as much as possible for the spring. but I find that when in canyon runs, the bike basically squats too much in the rear. Its hard to turn in, i seem to get some nose up. grip seems to be pretty good but i fight to keep it leaned over. also i get a lot of rear drop with bumps. LIKE A ELEVATOR FREE FALLING.
Hey Dave, when are you coming to the UK :)
The only way to make this guy happy is if he pays for the service. His ego and ignorance will probably not be affected though....
WOW!!!!!
@qotsa630 I don't think the guy was a yank. He sounded Aussie to me. Also look at the tail section of his bike. It says Aussie on it.
dave, i have almost the same problem as this on my bike (same bike) im about same weight too. ive just had my shock reconditioned and a bigger spring put in but hasnt made a huge difference. i had colin wright have a look at it at cadwell but he said its past its best, what did u do the compression on this one, (if u remember) haha
thanks
Fk yes
at 2:22ish is that a big guy in a dress in the back?
Lol.
He didn't even say thanks did he
That rider didnt know shit about his own bike, how pathetic.
i removed 3 clicks out of my compression was it 2 much???? can someone answer?
Front and rear rebound regulation, isn't enough, was better before.
The guy was very tired, and didnt want to learn anything
please contact via dave@feelthetrack(dot)com. I have a lot of questions I need you to answer before I can make suggestions. Thanks
Dave Moss
Host
Ok i sent an email
okay i sent an email
Dave should've left the rider The rider wouldn't care.
colin leeder(100 %) suspension not wright
holly heck. the guy's so not interested. he's just like 'come on, get it over with already!' xD seems like a total ignorant.
This is one unlikeable guy. Dave should have realized he doesn’t give a shit, just set him up and let em ride, some people don’t want to learn.