The "Alt Left" is Very Wrong on Putin-Russia-Ukraine
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- Опубликовано: 19 окт 2024
- --The "alt left" has been painfully wrong on the Putin-Ukraine-Russia situation, and we explore why and what happened
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One can be anti US imperialism and Russian imperialism at the same time. It's not that difficult folks!
Yep. Authoritarianism is authoritarianism.
"[a] prince would be remembered as the nation’s lord, who acquires new territory and eliminates the natives to give his people space.” - Benjamin Franklin
The Grayzone can’t seem to figure that one out unfortunately. Hopefully this whole thing will help with that.
@@ottz2506 those clowns also praise Ping of China and also claim the Uguhyrs is just a myth.
@@LosFace24 yup, they deny that there is a cultural genocide of the Uyghurs going on. But when you point this out, all they have in their arsenal in response to you is 'America is bad'.
Tulsi is the first politician I donated to that flipped in a direction I don't care for. Big letdown.
You're not alone on that point. There's a lot of comments along the line of how much of a disappointment she's turned out to be.
If you ever thought Tulsi was worth donating to, you're way too dumb to even be voting.
She flipped back. She's always been that person. Jacobin did an excellent article called "Tulsi Gabbard is not Your Friend" that went into painstaking detail about her record.
@@Snakeye808 says the fool who voted Trump. No irony there.
Same here. She fooled me too.
There's an issue with referring to these people as "alt-left", because it doesn't have remotely the same connotations as "alt-right" does. The alt-right was basically just more openly racist and authoritarian than the mainstream right-wing but still agreed with most of their policy goals, whereas these so-called alt-leftist are not leftists in any meaningful way. I would argue that it would actually be more accurate to call Tulsi et al "alt-right", because they're effectively right-wingers putting up an extremely flimsy pretext of being leftists.
Well that saved me typing all that out myself lol. I couldn't agree more.. Alt Right was a modernisation/rebrand of an ideology that was still very much definitely Right Extremism. Alt Left doesn't work here in the slightest.
I'd probably call them centrist grifters. Their economics and talking points might be from a Left Wing perspective.. but they can't seem to escape that sprinkling of Liberalism and/or Imperialism lol It's almost as if they were attached to the center of the ideological spectrum via bungee and were gradually making their way leftwards.. until whoops, they stumble and spring right back.
Accurate breakdown
Maybe "pseudo left?"
@@jonahkaun891 took the words right of my keyboard
I just call them Putin Apologists.
I despise the alt-left almost as much as Conservatism. Grifters really get on my nerves.
Do we need to be the world police? Let's fix our infrastructure first
There is no alt left and there’s no need to attach “left” to describe their ideologies. Greenwald and Gabbard are essentially on the right now. Their commentaries are pretty much exclusively anti-left.
@@dty1207
Doin' The Tim Pool hustle.
@@dty1207 While I'd say Tulsi is pretty much indistinguishable from today's right-wing, I think there does still need to be a distinction. The reality is Greenwald, Dore, Blumenthal, Mate, etc do appeal to certain leftist audiences and deliver their message from an apparently leftist POV.
I personally don't mind calling them 'alt-left'. It almost implies a simple-mindedness and immaturity. Also, it's less clunky than calling them 'gray-zone-types'.
@@jry0511 completely disagree, dp just covered how Tulsi is speaking at CPAC and Dore’s RUclips audience is heavily right wing now. They may just well be grifters but they are not grifting for a fragmented leftist audience, it’s for the right. Greenwald began criticizing the Hillary Clinton types of the Dem party and has expanded to whining about every faction of the left, including socialist.
Well put, David. It seems some of these extremes are becoming thick as thieves.
The American right wing are allying with the other right wing fascists in the world. Murdoch has always hated America and now is his chance to destroy it.
The fools have somehow brought Horseshoe Theory into reality
I don’t consider Tulsi as “left” at all anymore. She’s just honestly a right-winger now
She's just an opportunist. She has no actual moral compass or integrity.
Have her positions changed? I remember she was strongly against intervening in foreign conflicts and she supported Medicare for All. That is basically all I remember about her.
Anyone who you don't agree with is labelled a right winger. Pretty funny the hypocrisy.
@@michaeltruly3260, Gabbard adores fascistic right-wing dictators, from Narendra Modi to Bashar al-Assad to Vladimir Putin. Is that your idea of a left winger?
@@michaeltruly3260 she is literally speaking at cpac. She is a grifter who lied and called herself a progressive. When you show yourself to be exactly like corporate dems and republicans you are not a progressive and you are not on the left.
Considering that Tulsi is a keynote speaker at CPAC this week, alongside the likes of Glenn Beck, Ron DeSantis, Ted Cruz and Donald Trump, I have a hard time seeing her as anywhere near the 'left'.
People like you divide, people like Tulsi Unites.
@@stevenkisling6310 joking right?
@@stevenkisling6310 Yeah, she unites everybody else against her.
I have no idea what Tulsi said at CPAC, but is this not a logical fallacy, called association fallacy? With this logic Ralph Nadar is a right winger for speaking at conservative associations and institutions.
@@matthewkopp2391 -- you started with your own problem. A lack of salient information to draw a proper conclusion. Tulsi was greeted warmly by the crowd. She's been on FOX several times. She voices many of the usual conspiracy theories and anti-Biden sentiments of the far right. And this was a fundraiser to support GOP candidates.
So...no. It wasn't merely because she was there. She was an accepted keynote speaker who voiced the things members of the CPAC say and wanted to hear.
It was serious enough that the resolutions committee of the Oahu chapter of the Democratic Party voted 15-2 to condemn Gabbard for appearing at CPAC, and calling for an investigation over possible violations of party by-laws.
Imagine a world where sitting members of Congress and a former president defended Putin's actions. It shouldn't be too hard, since it's the world we're currently living in.
Trumps strange behavior related to Putin changed the GOP attitude towards Russia. They used to be very anti Russia.
It's not the first time Trump has sided with Putin. Back in 2018 he stated that he believed Putin's word over his own intelligence reports concerning Russian meddling in the 2016 election. There's a detailed article at Wiki about the Trump - Putin summit in Helsinki 2018.
but but but but but Iraq! But Syria!
And this is why you people are so hated. When did Trump defend Putin’s actions ? He didn’t, he praised his stragic intelligence. But you people are so small minded on something’s.
@@bobbyraejohnson You are merely making excuses for the orange con man. Is praising a foreign dictator an appropriate position to take by the former president of the United States? Trump is a pathetic dictator wannabe and and traitor to his country.
Anyone who's supporting what Putin is doing in Ukraine needs to imagine their bigger, stronger and more heavily armed neighbor violently forcing their way into your home and taking over every aspect of your life. Would you enjoy that and consider it acceptable, or would you hope that the rest of the neighbors would step forward to help you keep all that's rightfully yours?
Like what Ukraine was doing to donbass?
@@texajp1946 Ukraine haven't invaded Donbass. It's a region in the country, i don't disagree that there is people in the region that speaks russian, but those who claim their independency isn't more representative for the people in Donbass than you or me.
Don't think this argument would work on them. I'd imagine they'd say that because Eastern Ukraine is pro-Russia anyway it doesn't matter, because they don't want to be a part of Ukraine and that Ukraine's borders are illegitimate or something.
Do we need to be the world police before we fix our infrastructure?
Jonny Johnsen 90% of the people in donbass voted for independence after the 2014 CIA NED backed fascist coup
Amen to that David. Some people are just out there trying to carve out an audience for the sake of it and are not out to seek the objective perspective.
they look to find those that agree with them, not look for the truth
Its true. But that is exactly what David is doing. A centrist ideology brings more viewers.
True objective perspective doesn't exist, General Relativity ensures that.
@@joshsmith-brennan7442 huh? Gravity?
@@joshsmith-brennan7442 I disagree. Objective reality is out there, at least outside of our brains, and it is our biases that distort everything.
They are not on the left. Plain and simple.
Agree
Check out Danny Haiphong video: what the progressive left gets wrong about Ukraine
On his channel left lens black agenda report
It is on my Ukraine debunked playlist, another good source is Brian berletic on channel the new atlas
Another good source is breakthrough news the socialist show with Brian Becker and Eugene puryear
Are you implying David is a communist?
@@MaMastoast I think he means that communist are anti US always no matter what so David is actually on the right for these lunatic tankies
@@Sam_Guevenne yeah it's a serious problem with the online left. As someone who is technically among their ranks, the amount of bad takes on this issue have been stunning and depressing for me.
What these people don't seem to understand is that it isn't an anti-imperialist position to make excuses for a country doing imperialism by constantly inserting the fact that America is even more imperialist. It's a very brain-dead take and it is one that is spreading around quite a bit.
Of course, let's not leave the Right untouched here. A blonde woman running for a seat in Ohio (I think?) Praised Putin for his catholic nationalist nation and all Trump had to say about it is that Putin is a "genius." The bad takes are all around us, unfortunately.
NO one wanted to sacrifice for Poland, or Czechoslovakia, or France, or Austria,, or Denmark, or Holland(was called that in those days) until they had to.
It's been the Netherlans since 1815. Holland is the largest Provinces. It's like calling the UK just England.
@@mcaddicts I've always wondered about the details with Holland and NED. So, there's just one country, and Holland is a provence. It's the most well known because Amsterdam is located there? Do u happen to know how people designate themselves? If you're from Holland and you meet a foreigner, do you say I'm from Holland or do you say I'm from the Netherlands?
@@mcaddicts Thanks, I appreciate. I was born in 1945 and growing up it was always referred to as Holland. I may have been incorrect, but that's that way it was. I haven't seen it called Holland for a very long time and I haven't called the Netherlands Holland for many years.
@@nunyabidness1852 There is South Holland and North Holland. Amsterdam is located in North Holland. I'm from the Netherlands.
When are you referring to? Before or after the US military saved their asses?
when Hannity calls you a "good conservative" while you're being interviewed on his show (like Tulsi was) you CAN'T be on the left.
You can't be on the Left if you vote Democrat, a centre right party!
@@blombidobadila8084 Bernie and other true leftists are pushing the party left. In a few short years, Bernies agenda has become popular with the American people AND are issues voters care about most. Healthcare, drug companies, student loan debt, taxing the wealthy and big corporations. You should know that starting a whole new political party would take years to bring to any viable competitiveness in our political system. If it's good enough for Bernie, I'll fight along with him to help get rid of the corrupt establishment wing of the party. Because that's what MOST progressive and young voters want. And the alternative (The Republican party) has driven itself off the sanity cliff and is no longer a choice. Nice try though.
@@ethanvilla4418 Bernie is a Social Democrat. Democrats went radically to the Right post Reagan. Nixon governed to the Left of Obama, etc. Bernie wanted to tax the rich at 59%, I'm centre Left and push for 90%. USA is so Right Wing now even the centre seems Left, to folks who did not study Political Science at college. Google USA Political Compass 2020, Left almost non existent there, 0.5% of the vote in 2020. But you are correct that many young people are technically Left values wise, but why not vote Left-Green? Nearly all voted for Centre Right Biden, sadly. Although we were in an extreme situation with the TrumpaNazis!
She’s always been so chummy with people like hannity, rush Limbaugh, Meghan McCain, Mike Huckabee.
She’s a weirdo and I say that as somebody who had written her in on my ballot at one point. I hadn’t looked into her deeply yet. Or seen her voting record. What a disappointment.
@@paddleduck5328 speaks volume about how efffective so called anti-us imperialism rethoric is on the left though, that you even did that.
Thank you David, for helping clarify these people and their policies..
The only clarification you need is that people that don't believe what you do is considered far right. Funny how lefties live in this echo chamber. Most of the center or right can engage in some dialogue whereas the left just want to silence you.
Centrism isnt the left. Centrists are not lefties.
@@michaeltruly3260 Also the statement "ALL the clarification you need" implies any other attempt at clarification should be... wait for it... silenced.
You just owned yourself homey. Congrats.
@@JEsco-zz9em By your definition, that pretty much label most if not all the left. You just want compliance, no dialogue and if you don't agree you should be silenced. The left are masters at diversion and projection.....sounds about right, eh? (coming from a Canadian following US politics for the last 6 years or so)
@@michaeltruly3260 “No one would recognize the separatists in a another country as legitimate. And then send in tanks”, says Pakman
True. But.
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I seem to remember something about the break up of Yugoslavia.
I wouldn't say he's the next Hitler per se. Just take his rambling speech four days ago and replace "Ukraine" with "Bosnia", "Lenin" with "Tito", and "Russian citizens" with "Bosnian serbs", and you'll have a hard time distinguishing it from a speech by Milosevic.
Excellent analysis and breakdown. To me, they're the "grifter left", a Frankenstein monster creation of social media.
They're the first step down the alt-right pipeline.
You have the best description of these clowns.
The “fraud left” or “pseudo left”
Hasan Piker buys Lambos earns 500k and complains about capitalism the dude even defended Nazi Germany by saying they were protecting germans lmao so dellusional
@@Fidelio42 Ummm, not true at all. Never owned a Lambo, never defended Nazi Germany. You're just completely wrong about Hasan Piker
Tulsi never was. Glen is applying for right wing membership and Matt seems to be on the bubble, JD Vance style.
Agree with all your points but don't call them alt-left. They are not left wingers.
They're really alt lite
Same with alt-right and rhinos? 😂 Guess labeling people to distinguish their intentions is not enough.
Matt Taibbi was the first non-Fox reporter I saw who dismissed the idea there were connections between the Trump campaign and Putin. Since then I have dismissed him.
Last I saw he was with Rogan laughing at the Patriot Front as a government false flag.
David, this is amazing. We need to be honest about extremes on left and right. We just need to be honest. That's how we solve the problem. We didn't want war. Putin did. Many thanks David.
Yeah, but these people aren't Alt-Left, they are Right-Lite
@Mark Keller I tend to go by what they call themselves.
@@jbuchan12 Like how Dave Rubin calls himself a Classical Liberal, and the Right call themselves patriots.
@Mark Keller i think, therefore i am
@@jbuchan12 smh
Tulsi isn't a Dem at all. She says whatever is popular. She spent Trump's administration making excuses for Trump because she was bitter over not getting the nomination.
She is a fool.
@@georga1509 She's a veteran and as one myself I will always respect that aspect, but beyond that she is nothing but the worst kind of opportunist.
Tulsi only goes on Fox News for interviews to trash the Democrats. She’s just hurt she never made it to the second debate.
I disagree. You have your facts wrong. She did not excuse Trump. In fact, she ran for President - to run AGAINST him. She was the third candidate left standing after Biden and Bernie. Fox was the only place where she could get interviews WHILE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT as a Dem. That being said, she has crossed a line with her views. She appears to be now groveling to the GOP side. And this makes me incredibly sad.
@Pol Pot 2024 Ok Tulsi didn't shoot a president or become a serial killer, calm down Skippy. I get it; you don't like military people. That's fine, but don't be irrational lol.
As someone who's very far left, I couldn't be more disappointed with the online left.
If it was just tankies then whatever, I've never considered them real leftists anyway.
But it's not just tankies, it's also leftists who I've never considered to be authoritarians, who do seem to be true leftists in most regards, but who are just too damn stupid to have a halfway decent foreign policy analysis when for once it isn't as easy as simply saying that the US is bad.
But Russia is fascist, Putin gave a fascist ethnonationalist speech, condemning that should be just as easy as condemning the US's imperialism, yet for some reason some online leftists struggle to do so.
Maybe it's time for us Progressives to take a page from these pretenders' book and start pretending to be Moderate Democrats to get elected, and then show our true colors afterwards.
@@1MarkKeller alt-centrist
@@MarcillaSmith That kinda works.
@@1MarkKeller it was a joke. But, I mean, I kinda feel you. It's just that I don't think change happens at the political layer, so much as it is revealed there.
It's almost like those people are simply Anti-American, not genuinely in favor of all people being able to achieve self-determination and protecting their rights.
Tulsi Gabbard - I would never consider her a leftist. If she is, I'm not on the left, then.
She's not, never was and never even pretended to be, so rest easy. People just kept deciding they thought she was a leftist despite no indications whatsoever of it and I have no idea why.
Tulsi, greenwald dore etc have been always been grifters to anyone paying attention. Matt taibbi though upsets me he used to be a very smart guy
He still is smart. Just wrong. You don’t just lose intelligence..
Yes, he's turn has been strange. I greatly admired his work on exposing the inner workings of wall street during the 2008 crash. He seems obssesed about all the new far right buzz words, "wokeism", "deplatforming", "virtuesignalling", etc. He has becoming less substantial as a journalist. Hopefully it's just a phase and I'm misreading his intentions.
@@thebillryan I don't think it's a phase. I remember when I saw a tweet about Taibbi arguing that it's a violation of "free speech" for the federal government to advise people not to take ivermectin to treat COVID that I knew he was off his rocker.
@@freeman7079 Wrong are most of the people that follow Pakman. Trump derangement syndrome begets Biden presidency and feckless leadership and hence Ukraine crisis. Use some semblance of common sense. C'mon man, you dog face pony soldier.
@Jacket off Gym Jordan He suffers from a severe case of tRump Toady Syndrome, an embarrassing condition in which tRump supporters sell their minds, souls and manhood to Donny in exchange for... nothing.
I am so glad you are calling out Tosi Gabbard and Glenn Greenwald and some of the TYT people.
Yeah those folks lost me, I unsubscribed from TYT
Check out Danny Haiphong video: what the progressive left gets wrong about Ukraine
On his channel left lens black agenda report
It is on my Ukraine debunked playlist, another good source is Brian berletic on channel the new atlas
Yeah I rarely watch any TYT vids these days.
WTF does TYT have to do with any of this? Hasan has his own channel and does his own thing.
@@DaemonJax I think these are bots, can't be legit lol
When you’re so anti US imperialism that you’re pro Russian imperialism
There is only one imperialist power left in the world, and it is evil empire usa
@@texajp1946 China says fucking hello lol. 👋
@@TKUltra971 The New Atlas Brian Berletic, SHORT: Is Russia "Invading" Ukraine? Or Reacting to an Ongoing Occupation?
The New Atlas Brian Berletic, What's Behind the US Conflict with Russia (& also China)
@@texajp1946 Ok there bot. Slow down. Stop upvoting your comments and stop spreading disinformation.
The mainstream media NEVER recognizes America as an imperialist power. The MSM is OWNED by corporate fat cats and the MIC. They always beat the drums of war, see diplomacy as weakness, and glorify our military Pakman is full of shit. He is a neoliberal unconditional Democratic Party loyalist. Notice that he never criticizes Biden or the Democratic Party, and Biden is pathetic. What he is calling the alt-left is the real left. He and his fan club are NEOliberals (faux liberals) who refuse to acknowledge how stinking rotten our entire political system is.It needs a lot more than tweaking, it needs transforming! The Dems might be less evil than the Repubs but not less evil enough to matter.
I always feel like I'm getting an honest take from you David, thanks for that.
I don’t call them alt left. I call them Russia apologists
Putin *s i m p s.*
Check out Danny Haiphong video: what the progressive left gets wrong about Ukraine
On his channel left lens black agenda report
It is on my Ukraine debunked playlist, another good source is Brian berletic on channel the new atlas
Agreed. And as far right as the brainwashed cult of trump.
Another good source is breakthrough news the socialist program, they explain the history of NATO and the current situation in Ukraine
@@texajp1946 Whatever nuance existed on the situation was destroyed by Putin starting an invasion and bombing campaign
Perfect take! I'm tired of these people. Thank you David!
David, your Honesty is refreshing. Thank You for bringing the Truth to the front
Many of us saw this coming, we just really really wished it wouldn't happen
This whole situation is usa’s fault, mainly Victoria nuland and her vampires in the NED, this all started with NATO expansion and usa backed fascist coup in 2014, real leftists don’t support NATO and neo Nazi militias
@@texajp1946 Progressives and the left support freedom and self determination. Take your "real leftists" and stick them "right" up your hole.
Nobody "saw" this coming, necessarily. Ukraine's own intelligence didn't even expect this to happen. This is an incredibly stupid and reckless decision by Putin that is not likely to end well for him, so it was not unreasonable to assume he wouldn't be so brazen. Nobody can predict the future.
@@dmike3507 After many misses I would say that the US intelligence apparatus got this right on the spot. CIA has obviously stepped up its game and received some of the best intelligence in the last 30 years.
@@vegass04 i wonder what gave it away? The unusual amount of army forces gathering in places they have no businesses being in?
The U.S and it's allies said Putin was going to attack after the Olympics. These yahoos didn't want to believe it.😂😂
Aaron Z ::
(1). Putin was enjoying the remnants of the Olympics, in Souchi ( 2014 ).
there were no visible signs of a major conflict in the Ukraine.
( 2 ). Yanakovich, the president of the Ukraine, was outsted from the presidency _( in 2014 )_ by Neo-Nazis and Ukrainians who wanted a closer relationship with the Western Powers. The United States supported the "Alt-Right" in Ukraine, as the United States usually supports the Right-Wing elements ... wherever they find them ...
( Yanakovich wanted a greater relationship with Russia as Russia offered the Ukraine a much better deal than the Loan-Sharks of the International Monetary Fund / World Bank. The United States didn't like the choices Yanakovich was making for his Country, as president. )
( 3 ). In _2022,_ Putin invades Ukraine.
if the United States and European leaders said Putin would invade Ukraine _after_ the Olympics _( 2014 )_ ...
there is an 8-year difference between _2014 / 2022._
so ... the three questions ::
[a]. how did they know, 8 years in advance, that Putin would invade ?
[b]. what took Putin so long to carry-out the Invasion ?
[c]. what happened during that 8-year period that led to the invasion ?
eight years is a very long time ... a legion of changes took place during that time ; such as, the United States' intervention in the Domestic Politics of Ukraine ; NATO advancing closer to Russia's borders ...
[a]. the United States invaded Iraq based on lies about WMD's, which is one of many lies the United States has told about leaders of other countries they want to eliminate.
[b]. the presidents of the United States always lie to the public, especially when they start to incite the public to war-hysteria, disguised in "democracy" and "freedom" ... blah ... blah ... blah.
[c]. the United States' presidents also lie to World-Leaders ( Allies and Enemies ).
Clinton, one of this country's biggest liars ::
promised that NATO would not move toward Russia ... he lied ... before he even finished making that "promise".
Russia wants to protect Its borders after many invasions throughout Its history.
The Ukraine is Russia's Sphere-of-Influence.
The Ukraine is Russia's Monroe Doctrine.
The Ukraine is Russia's Manifest Destiny.
There are over 8M Russians in the Ukraine ( the largest Russian-Diaspora ).
_( There were only 600 American students in Grenada when Reagan lied about that invasion. )_
Russia, like China and Japan, didn't fuck with the United States when It was issuing Doctrines and Manifestos in the Western Hemisphere.
Putin has been _re-acting to_ circumstances ; not creating them in that 8-year gap.
It would be better if Americans paid closer attention to the Foreign-Policy of the United States instead of focusing on a land far, far away ... where people speak an entirely different language ... have completely different historical experiences.
_Glenn Greenwald may be many things, but he is not a "yahoo". The yahoo is :: David Pakman !_
I been watching David, Hasan, TYT, Kyle, Sam Seder for a long time now. I wouldn't put Tulsi and Greenwald in the same category as Hasan and Kyle. Tulsi and Greenwald just seem like right wingers now also Dore not even alt left. I think Kyle and Hasan just made a misjudgment cause they are so tired of these wars.
I agree 1000%. Hasan already fully admitted he was wrong. No one is right all the time. He just said he didn't think it would come to this.
Your content is always so refreshing and consistent.
@TheSpirit AndTheBride One of the most often repeated criticisms of the David Pakman show is that 40-60% of any given show for years now has been anti-trump clickbait, even if it isn’t particularly newsworthy. He never missed a rally and even has a song parodying his “dumps” comment. Trump is clearly a cash cow for David, and it shows in the content he produces.
David is one of the most pragmatic people you will find, one of the reasons I keep coming back to his channel.
Purely based on their ideological positions they are not Left. Calling them Alt-Left not only mischaracterizes their right-leaning positions, but also legitimizes a both-sides narrative which I personally cannot stand.
Let’s be honest these people were never left leaning. They just presented a different “aesthetic” of alt-right anti establishment, anti pluralist politics.
Basically ... Moderate Republicans.
Exactly. None of this is actually in question. His reluctance to call a spade a spade is frustratingly close to the MSM's unwillingness to even entertain the idea that any politician is lying.
The last two-minute synopsis was 100% on-point. A lot of people would even say it was a perfect summary.
I’m glad you aren’t the alt left. It’s refreshing to hear a sane voice.
Tulsi isn’t the Alt-Left. She’s now simply “The Right”….when dat Koch money hits…
I’d say pretty far right at that…
Most here that worship the Pakman ideology can be labelled far left and libertarians and slightly center left now considered far right by the unhinged lefties by most of the comments I see here.
@@michaeltruly3260 I think the first problem is in the statement that “most here that worship the Pakman ideology.” I do not see worshipping. Can you provide a couple examples of worshipping? Also, what exactly is ‘the Pakman ideology?” Any examples of that? The rest of your comment seems to be reasonable though…
@@JV-mw7gv Present company excluded. But seriously read most of the comments here and you can probably discern a certain pattern.
@@michaeltruly3260 Yes I have read many Pakman comments and agree and disagree with many. I just need some more specifics. I was challenged as a Research Methods student in college, and my professor demanded much; I was lucky to pass the class. Can you elaborate more? If not, no worries.
The enemy of your enemy is not always your friend.
Anyone who hasn't seen Putin as Stalin's successor in conquering hasn't taken history seriously. Just bcs the KGB is gone and the Soviet Union disbanded, doesn't mean that conquering aggression in Russia never went away. If Chernobyl can still have radioactivity after all these decades, so can Putin have those intentions.
Suggest the alt-left read Garry Kasparov's book "Winter is Coming" for the real lowdown on Putin. Garry's the Chairman of the Human Rights Foundation.
Thank you for calling out these ass-hats, David. It's sad what has become of Tulsi and Glenn, but at least we now see their true colors.
One of the best clips in the history of the show. Big time talent.
Clear and concise as always
08:20”Alex Berenson was like the wrongest man in the world about the pandemic. Tulsi has been like the wrongest American on Russia-Ukraine” dunno why I find this quote so goddamn funny lmao
Glenn Greenwald is not, and never has been, left. He opposes some forms of state power overreach, but he’s weirdly selective about it.
Kudos! This video has aged very well!
I'd be astonished if Tulsi wasn't getting money from Russia.
I doubt that!!
I don’t think I’ve ever seen Matt Taibi make an insightful or interesting point. He and Greenwald are the living definition of hack journalism.
i actually like Matt Taibbi, and tend to trust him more than most. His initial take on this is disappointing, but how many people admit they were wrong the way he has? Not too many.
I think he likes Russia and its people - probably from living there, and wants them to be rational actors, but he's certainly not a Putin apologist like his replacement Aaron Mate. That guy is almost comical in his unwavering defense of Russia. Mate HAS to be on their payroll.
I think people like Jimmy Dore and Mate would have been much better to include in this video than Taibbi.... but i think it came out probably the same day Taibbi corrected his stance and said he was wrong. Even if you hadnt seen Taibbi change his mind though Mate has had far worse takes all along - his whole career really.
The only issue is that Matt show is independent, he own it. Why does he let Russian assets like Aaron Mate to replace him?
David you have my support..... Your presentation of the issues seem pretty right on to me...... Keep it going.
I always thought of tulsi as a Republican, even before she ran as a Dem presidential candidate
Greenwald never claimed to be a leftist. His claim to fame during the Bush Administration was his Constitutionalist opposition to the Patriot Act and Iraq War. Greenwald is at heart an isolationist libertarian who shows less respect for the Democratic Party than for Trump. He was consistently dismissive of Obama's foreign policy, savagely critical of Hillary Clinton's campaign, and bitterly skeptical of reports of Russian interference in the 2016 election. As with Tulsi Gabbard, Greenwald has repeatedly appeared on Fox News to bash the Democratic Party. He's about as relevant to progressive politics as the Black Bloc is to BLM.
Thank you for sharing YOUR perspective so concisely, David!
David, we call them the dumdumb left. A term coined and popularized by Michael Brooks (RIP). The common thread that runs through these people is thus: they legitimately identify a problem (America’s militaristic posture in its effort to establish global hegemony which especially during the Cold War era, led to destabilizing actions in particularly Latin America and after 911, the Middle East), and reach for the wrong solution (prop up another world power to counter US hegemony, regardless of the fact that said power has similar if not worse ambitions as the US, and by most objective metrics, has a much worse human rights record or respect for the rule of law).
You're a decent man David. Thank you for your integrity.
David I love your show they aren't ALT-Left they are ALT-Right spouting right Qing talking points
David thank you for everything you do.
I was really surprised at people like Kyle, Hasan and breaking points who totally dismissed the idea of a Russian invasion. I am not the most up to date with things and I thought it was obvious it was going to happen
Hassan’s take on the whole invasion has been so off, I like the dude but definitely his biggest L to date. I think he was so blinded by his view of US imperialism, etc he didn’t take into account the whole situation imo
@@wyattlinscott5210 I agree, I think they got so caught up in their own bias - that the idea the US government is never right they actually ignored all the obvious truths in what was getting said by multiply governments
Biden/Harris unlike Trump, actually attend the intelligent briefings. They said that Russia was going to attack after the Olympics and these jokers didn't want to believe. I love how when Putin said he's sending a peace keeping force they all bought it, even Cenk. When Biden still insisted that Putin was going to attack they were calling him a war monger. 😂 All these alt-left want so much for the U.S to be the bad guy. They overlook that Putin is former KGB wanna be dictator.😂
@@jobo8281 100%
@@aaronblue76 He isn't a wannabe dictator. He is a dictator
Greenwald should seek a job at RT. He’d have a lot of potential for a career there…
Thank you for presenting observations that are real and thoughtful..
Alt left: 'habitual contrarian' seems to be an existing concept.
By "Nato expansion" you mean countries willingly join the alliance to avoid Russian aggression?
Yeah, according to the Western left people in the central Europe have no agency and don't have the right to decide for themselves. It would be conisdered racist if we were not white.
I am not and was never a fan of Tulsi or the “squad”, for that matter.
As for the “alt-left” give me a freaking break. They’re as whacked as the Right.
And the "Tankie Left". And the "Every War is Iraq War Left".
Trump caused insecurities with our "allies" that gave Putin an opening to take action. NATO doesn't Incude those countries but creates a hard boundary.
You still drink the Pakman koolaid. Lets keep it real if Trump was still president there would be no Ukrainian hostilities. Just like the 4 years of no war with Trump. Try to use some semblance of critical thought and see what feckless Biden has brought to your country and the world.
@@michaeltruly3260 What war has 'feckless Biden' brought? He left Afghanistan, where did he enter? Try some critical thinking buttercup. The legacy of Donald Trump remains one of continued U.S. wars and aggression, backed by a bloated military budget. The only positive aspect of Trump’s foreign policy legacy may be his unintended contribution to hastening the day when the sun finally sets on the U.S. empire.
@@michaeltruly3260 Impervious to the suffering of the Yemeni people, Trump has vetoed five bipartisan bills seeking to rein in this endless massacre: two War Powers bills to end the U.S. role in the war and three bills to halt arms sales to Saudi Arabia and the UAE.
@@michaeltruly3260 Besides not ending any of the wars that he promised to end, Trump came dangerously close to starting even more catastrophic wars against North Korea, Iran, and Venezuela. His devastating campaigns of unilateral economic sanctions targeted thirty-nine countries, affecting a third of humanity.
@@michaeltruly3260 Trump led the United States back into a Cold War with Russia and China that most Americans thought we had left behind a generation ago. His National Security and Defense Strategy documents have *unequivocally redefined Russia and China as enemies of the United States,* courting major power confrontations and ensuring record military budgets for years to come.
"The alt-left has hammers, so everything looks like nails to the alt-left". Great analogy.
Great job David. Love the toolsee 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Never thought we would have a fringe left but we do and they are just as dangerous as the right
Thank you! SOMEONE had to say it - and you encapsulated the ‘alt-left’ perfectly - I’ve struggled since 2016 - trying to get my ‘progressive’ brother to stop attacking and blaming dems and the media for all the wrongs in the world! Thank you for recognizing a problem too many of us have struggled with alone!
David Pakman; keepin' it real.
I think Libertarian Left might be a more descriptive term. These people are highly skeptical of any type of organized hierarchical power, whether it is governmental power or corporate power or religious power.
You know a RUclipsr is telling their true convictions when they say 'go watch someone else'
I don't agree with him but I respect his stance. Can't be easy having to prop up this current administration. He was loving life when Trump was president. Just look at his videos. Anytime Trump is on the title, the videos get triple the views.
@TheSpirit AndTheBride god no, 🤣
Great breakdown of this complicated divide David
wow the world is a disaster 😞🤦♀️ just when you think it can’t get much worse, it does. A LOT WORSE!! Lord help us 🙏🙏🙏
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Brilliant David. Thank you.
I wasn't sure whether David meant "alt-left" or "out-left". "out-left" would be fun, they went out so far to the left that they reappeared on the other side and now serve the alt-right.
Jimmy Dore went down that path long ago, he concentrated totally on bashing the Dems and the left for not being left enough, and I am totally sure that he is fully aware that this brings him lots of alt-right clicks.
Kyle Kulinski has such tendencies, too, latest since the totally negates that Russiagate has ANY merit. That it would NEVER lead to a successful impeachment, of course, but that Trump has no shady connections to Russia - WTF??!
Kyle is still a tankie. You can think that Russia gate was fake without being on the right at all.
@@ykalon That does not contradict to my point, it even intensifies it.
What I mean is that he goes in the direction of Jimmy Dore, concentrates on Dem-bashing. Conforms with what I just learns "tankie" means.
The amount he goes after the right is comparatively low, maybe 20%, even though the principal blockade of the GOP is the primary reason for the failure of the Democrat agenda.
His atheist aspect is pretty lost.
@@feedingravens Jimmy Dore took 3 left turns and is now right. Kyle is still left. He criticize Biden for not doing enough. During this Ukraine crisis he has actually fully supported Biden.
I'm saddened at how many people have become victims of misinformation. It's frustrating to see people look desperately to find anything that supports their presupposition that they refuse to even consider looking at anything else that might offer perspective. They willingly refuse to consider anything else.
Perfectly communicated! 👏👏👏
David, I love that you're honest enough to say, just go watch them! 👍🥰💖✌
Taibbi was also pro-ivermectin, wrongly, of course. He and the others have this reflex contrarian take on most issues now. Sadly Kuklinski is like this on some issues, too.
So glad you included this in your Ukraine coverage
He has to send troops in side Ukraine before he takes over more ground. Nobody wants war but with a dictator like him NATO has to stop him before he takes the whole country.
They're there. I saw footage.
Yes they are David, good going. Glad to see you finally realizing .
So how is “Alt Left” different from Alt Right? Sounds like the same talking points to me🙄
Sounds like you're here to push a right wing talking point to me.
@@thetubekrawler2876 so, you’re not very perceptive. But that’s cool, not every brain has high firing synapses😊
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I agree. I fail to see the difference between Alt-right and "alt-left"
They sound like gaslighting Righty's putting on a false front.
Maybe to convince right leaning leftists? IDK.
BTW Who gave them that appellation in the first place?
David's best take in years. Love it.
Maybe Greenwald takes Putin rubles these days.
Great analysis. Wish more people could see the distinction.
I think these individuals aren't left at all. However, I know at least one person up here in Canada who is on the left and is sympathetic to Putin. My otherwise intelligent friend has always believed that Western media has a distorted view on Putin. I'm not sure what Putin's military is doing in the Ukraine, but this war is terrible no matter how long or extensive the invasion turns out to be.
Careful Canada he might be knocking on your door one day, Patton was right should have taken out Russia in ww2. And we wouldn't even have to be talking about it now.
@@tats5880 Well, with sections of the Republican Party under control of Russia, maybe they are already at our door. There is also speculation that Russian money might have helped to fund the so-called Freedom Convoy of truckers in Canada.
@@danarcher9012 nothing surprising anymore it only makes one more disgusting.. especially when you have an ex- president worshipping putin. But Trump claims it wouldn't have happened on his watch or if the election wasn't stolen.
@@tats5880 Yeah, crazy eh? That being said ... we truly look to your nation and the UK as being our two greatest allies.
Excellent video. You are consistently the most thoughtful political commentator I can find on You Tube
The ones I would identify as " alt-left " are primarily liberals with strong libertarian leanings
Exactly. Centrists. Or what tariq ali calls 'the extreme center'
Libertarians have no concept of reality. Their political philosophy does not work in the real world.
Or far right winger extremist trolls who pose online as progressives, in order to stir siht, confuse and manipulate otherwise decent people.
You criticize people who mispronounce names of others as a cheap tactic, yet you continue call her “toolsie”
Good time to interview Noam Chomsky and get his opionion on this. I like Glenn Greenwald, thought he was wrong on Russiagate, but I do like some of his other arguments. Love to see you guys hash it out as to help us get more informed.
Noam Chomsky is a linguist, not a political scientist. Not sure why people see him as an expert in politics. It's like thinking Jordan Peterson is an expert in philosophy and culture. He might be smarter than Jordan but it's still not his area of expertise.
Great show!
Several years ago, I thought Taibbi seemed to be reasonable. However, over the last few years, he unfortunately seemed to have fallen face first into propaganda. Consequently, not interested in hearing what he saying. The same thing with Greenwald. While he was writing for Salon, he was great. Then, he also became lunatic... :-(
So how does this relate to Hasan, who isn't much of a fan of Tulsi or Greenwald, does not consider Putin's actions justified, and was not a particularly strong voice about Russiagate proving the US to be the main enemy of the world?
"Russiagate" was about Trump being a TRAITOR.
They’re Dave Rubin “leftist”
No....sorry you still don't get it...
Thank you for sensible reporting. I've been unsubscribing from some "news" channels as their rhetoric is there to inflame people's emotions and not report the news.
I do subscribe to channels which are pro right and pro left to try and make my own opinion on things and make sense if some of the nonsense out there.
I just need to find your counter part for UK and European news.
“The USSR should have respected Germany’s sovereignty and not liberated the concentration camps!”
Kind of insane analogy considering that Russia has had concentration camps in Ukraine since 2014 (most famous one - or infamous rather - being the one called Izolyatsia in Donetsk).
But even insane if we consider history,
your comment ranges somewhere between utter ignorance and Holocaust denying levels of negationism.
The USSR respected Nazi Germany's sovereignty and jointly invaded Poland according to the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, thereby enabling the construction of the KZs to begin with.
Then Nazi Germany invaded the USSR, and the USSR didn't fight the war to "liberate concentration camps".
In fact, in the DP (displaced persons) camps the Jews in Soviet-occupied Poland and East Germany landed in, thousands and thousands died even after the war.
@@kurteisner67 hey lib, how are you and the others dealing with the recent news about the Ukrainians honoring a Nazi fighter?
@@kurteisner67 also, who tf argued the concentration camps were the inciting incident in the war? The point I made is that by the logic of Pakman amd these other Banderite apologists, Stalin’s Russia shouldn’t have defended itself, liberated the camps, or otherwise counteracted fascism. You people accuse your enemies of that which your side is guilty, as that’s easier than taking responsibility for supporting a modern Nazi state.