It is always interesting that sibling’s raised together can have such different personalities. I can definitely identify with Pamela’s love for animals. I have canceled many trips due to a sick or senior dog.
There were 4 of us girls and 1 half brother. I can't begin to state the differences. But each are to have the Freedom of Choice, Freedom to be who we are and want to be. Giving self the knowing of worthiness is key to all we desire to experience and accomplish. Love you're You.
Ah, the boring one. To be fair, Pamela seems to have been a decent person and a typical upper class woman of her time -- more intelligent and able than most. She was just born into a highly unusual family.
Thank you for this video, and thank you for researching the Mitford sisters one by one they certainly do merit their individual story being told. Again, your research and balanced narration of their lives is so much appreciated. Diana, Washington DC
The Mifords were a fascinating and sometimes horrifying bunch. Pamela being less eccentic and therefore declared "boring" in comparison. I read somewhere that her most amusing feat was to order an AGA stove painted the same colour as her eyes. Thanks for an interesting resumé of complicated family. One detail: The pitfalls of the english language. In the UK Berkshire is pronounced "Barkshire" while in the US it is pronounced "Berkshire". Nancy would have had a fit!! Haha
Another beautifully presented video. Thank you for the research that goes into your channel. Much appreciated. Greetings from Dimboola, in Victoria, Australia.
Hello Forgotten Lives. Love your work. Have you considered looking into female painters of past centuries? They’ve often been overlooked. Of particular interest is an English painter ( and abolitionist) Emma Jones. It’s a fascinating life story.
I loved the fascinating journey you took us through. I knew the story of her exiled sister but this for me was lovely she seemed like a strong woman. Thankyou I am subscribing to your channel ❤
Please do an episode on my great grandfather who started the Frick museum in Manhattan. He was involved in railroad money the Frick museum is in Manhattan New York
Since she seems nice & some of her sisters more controversial… Well, it is entirely possible that that line about the “German wife” was spoken either sarcastically, or spitefully, to cause pain. If that is all there is to indicate anything, I’d prefer to let her rest in peace. I’ve read up on the Mitford sisters before and have never, not once, found a thing indicating anything suggested either way. Keep in mind also that quite a few couples, more than you think, are unable to have children. In that sense, the mere absence of kids says nothing about orientation either.
The Mitford family were similar to those who choose to live off the grid, away from people and city life. Their main advantage was to be wealthy. Their eccentricities were allowed to develop and be expressed from young ages. They were still influenced by social expectations, eg marriage to others of the right class, except for Nancy of course. They fascinate us because they broke from the majority of the time. FL you have given us a clear view of each person beautifully 😍
I think you'll find Jessica was the rebel, not Nancy. Jessica ended up married to a black socialist American. Nancy was besotted with a French military officer, who really just used her.
Thank you so much, this was extremely interesting. I learned a lot. By the way Berkshire is not pronounced 'berk-shire'. It's pronounced 'bark- shr'. The English truncate the pronunciation of 'shire' in all instances to 'shr'.
"efficient women with a masculine outlook" - JDraper recently read this description from a 1930s personality quiz - it's clearly how society described lesbians during that era 😄
Love your research and dialogue. She did have the security of her own money so why marry? Being able to be with what she loved and understood was her true freedom Not many could dream of it. Simple private peace.
If I had to guess, I would say that it was a way for both her and her husband to hide that they were queer of whatever caliber. It was frequently done in that time period. I'm sure he had his lovers the same as she did and they eventually decided it wasn't worth the effort.
Yes nobody would have thought that she might have been asexual, cuz people would have thought such a person would not be interested in getting married, but you might get married in order to not be thought of as being gay, or in her case a lesbian. Especially if you realized you aren't in that category do you know you're not really interested either... So where does that leave you, back then those were your choices if you want Catholic, Catholic at least say well maybe I was meant to be a nun.
I've got to add that Decca was, by far, the most unreliable of the sisters. Her book, "Hons and Rebels" was agreed by the remaining sisters to have been as much fiction as fact. While her accusation is new to me, it is fair to note that her sisters joked among themselves at her laxity with the truth. She was really a terrible and undependable person.
Of course she is a quiet woman who likes the country and the company of her animals, so she MUST be a lesbian 🙄People are so unimaginative. Thanks for the interesting bio. The fascist connections are a little hair-raising.
Why, no such thing. In extensive reading I've seen no indication from any family member they believed that. Were she so, the possibility is far and away the more likely it would be known. Millions of words have been written about the Mitfords with no responsible party citing such a reality. Could it be demonstrated . . . fair enough. But groundless speculation and "guessing" are a pastime of foolish people.
Many people who would be somewhere in the Queer umbrella made marriages of convenience and mutual protection. While I'm grateful we live in more open lives, I respect the stories of the LBGTQIA ancestors that came before.
I appreciate the series but I don't really see the need to speculate on the sexual preferences of the people presented in these biographies. If they have publicly stated a preference of course that's worth mentioning but if they preferred to hide that facet of their life then I think it's more appropriate that we respect that.
These are essentially well done; certainly moreso than the bulk of video material concerning the Mitfords. However, how do you justify your declaration that it is almost certain Pamela was a lesbian, and in the next breath admit there is no concrete evidence of your assertion? The only utterance I am aware of, other than yours, even suggesting the possibility was her friendship in later life with an Italian lady; I would be interested to know what responsible source has publicly sketched in the same conclusion. Without a scintilla of proof it is irresponsible to put forward such an accusation. Certainly no one in her family believed it.
In my opinion this particular RUclipsr is better than most, and with limited resources he is trying to follow the principals of historical method; where the veracity of any past event can only have the possibility of being established on the basis of what is most probable when the various evidences available are considered in “good faith”. Maybe you consider any occurrence in the past, and there is only the past; we are all condemned to live in the eternal present, to be intrinsically unverifiable. In defending a long dead women against the heinous accusation of lesbianism, I guess you are most likely to have some unresolved issues concerning your own sexuality; or you are plainly and simply a bigot who has not adjusted to the new, more progressive morality in this area. I have read only this one comment from your good self, billstory8034, and I probably will never encounter you again; as many do here on RUclips and elsewhere, you hide behind a name that is not your own; I will demonstrate again that I stand by every word I have ever written: My name is J.R.S. Carpenter, as it always has and will be. Azure Cinnamon 😊
I would love to know where your source is for your claim that Pamela was a Lesbian. Quite frankly I could not care less if she was or not, but you cannot just make this statement with no documented evidence.
Who actually won ww2. Germany came out allot better than us. Even in the 70s we was paying war debts for another 30years. Germany came out stronger than ever and with a great economy
The strength of Germany's economy is due to the "Marshall Plan"" Administrated by Gen George Marshall after WW2, it was designed to prevent future wars by economies strong enough to discourage wars.🎉🎉🎉🎉
It is of today well known, that the Mitfords were not Aristocratic British upper class. The sisters were born through a TACTICAL idea, that )ewish families centuries earlier, already made reality. In the 12th century the jooish Italian upper class financial families with the name EST family and SAVOY family married into British Aristocracy. The Savoy ruled Italy until 1945. They married into the Habsburgs and expanded their financial network to such an extent, that after Waterloo and the Congress of Vienna 1815, Europe was in the hands of the Pinnochios. The plan they had from 1897 on, is detailed in the Protocols. Book Reference: The Secret Powers Behind Revolutions by Leon de Poncins. ///
It is always interesting that sibling’s raised together can have such different personalities. I can definitely identify with Pamela’s love for animals. I have canceled many trips due to a sick or senior dog.
Me too a Maltese and Bison both ill and I stay home with them
There were 4 of us girls and 1 half brother. I can't begin to state the differences. But each are to have the Freedom of Choice, Freedom to be who we are and want to be.
Giving self the knowing of worthiness is key to all we desire to experience and accomplish.
Love you're You.
She seemed like a lovely person who cared for animals.
Agreed!!
Ah, the boring one. To be fair, Pamela seems to have been a decent person and a typical upper class woman of her time -- more intelligent and able than most. She was just born into a highly unusual family.
I know she was referred to as the boring one but yet I think I would have liked her the best.
@@13lilsykos same
At least she wasn't a traitor
You mean the sanest one😊
@@ladymeghenderson9337 Which one was the traitor?
Thank you for this video, and thank you for researching the Mitford sisters one by one they certainly do merit their individual story being told. Again, your research and balanced narration of their lives is so much appreciated. Diana, Washington DC
Very interesting portrait you painted of her life. Thanks.
My pleasure 😊
The Mifords were a fascinating and sometimes horrifying bunch. Pamela being less eccentic and therefore declared "boring" in comparison. I read somewhere that her most amusing feat was to order an AGA stove painted the same colour as her eyes.
Thanks for an interesting resumé of complicated family.
One detail: The pitfalls of the english language.
In the UK Berkshire is pronounced "Barkshire" while in the US it is pronounced "Berkshire".
Nancy would have had a fit!! Haha
You deliver very classic stories! Thank you FLives, always very enjoyable listen to you
My grandmother was born in 1907 also, in Kent uk. And died age 83.
Good afternoon ☺️ and thanks so MUCH 😊
Thanks very much!!
I am enjoying this little series on the Mitford sisters. It is interesting how different they became.
Thank you! I enjoyed this video very much
I'm so glad!
Good evening from Black Diamond Alberta, it never ceases to amaze me on the depth of your uploads.
Forgotten Lives always has great content and I Love watching his cases
Thanks for watching 😁
Another beautifully presented video. Thank you for the research that goes into your channel. Much appreciated. Greetings from Dimboola, in Victoria, Australia.
Many thanks!
@Forgotten Lives I would not have watched unless your channel was an unbiased way of researching results. Thank you.
@@ForgottenLives I believe in honesy, integrity, trust and forgiveness. You treat with kindness , dignity and total respect. Thank you.
Very interesting! Enjoyed it a lot.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you for your most wonderful videos. I love that you cover such intriguing people. Your passion for history, really is evident.
Thanks for the donation and support! I try my best :)
Thank you--I'd never even heard of her
Hello Forgotten Lives. Love your work.
Have you considered looking into female painters of past centuries? They’ve often been overlooked.
Of particular interest is an English painter ( and abolitionist) Emma Jones. It’s a fascinating life story.
Frida Kahlo would be a good story too.
How about french painter Elizabeth Louise Vigee LeBrun?
Angelica Kaufman was an artist with an intriguing story as well.
When people like to say which Mitford sister they are most like, I say I am Pamela. I’m also the quiet one with good advice that no one takes.
A very good study of Pamela. Thank you.
Back to relisten this awesome video! Thank you FLives. Great story to listen and relisten all day long! Ps: More ads for you with pleasure! 😉👍
Thanks again!
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Very welcome!
Thank you for covering the least (IN)famous Mitford sister! Tx
HOW INTERESTING THANK YOU SO MUCH ,,,,,,,,
I loved the fascinating journey you took us through. I knew the story of her exiled sister but this for me was lovely she seemed like a strong woman. Thankyou I am subscribing to your channel ❤
Just because someone lives abroad doesn't necessarily make them an exile.
What a beautiful story, and an amazing lady❤️🌹💋
Excellent vid. Many thanks.
Love this series!!! Interesting colorful ladies indeed… 🤗
Glad you like them!
Thanks👍🏼
The dark haired woman with Moseley is NOT Pamela but Cimmie, Moseley’s first wife, mother of Violet.
Please do an episode on my great grandfather who started the Frick museum in Manhattan. He was involved in railroad money the Frick museum is in Manhattan New York
A bit of correction. Diana's sons with Oswald Mosley are Alexander and Max not Desmond. He was from her previous marriage with Jonathan Guinness.
Marriage to Bryan. Not Jonathan.
they were an interesting family!
Thank you.
Welcome!
Since she seems nice & some of her sisters more controversial… Well, it is entirely possible that that line about the “German wife” was spoken either sarcastically, or spitefully, to cause pain.
If that is all there is to indicate anything, I’d prefer to let her rest in peace.
I’ve read up on the Mitford sisters before and have never, not once, found a thing indicating anything suggested either way.
Keep in mind also that quite a few couples, more than you think, are unable to have children. In that sense, the mere absence of kids says nothing about orientation either.
A German wife was just slang for 2 women living together
Also used in America
Has nothing to do with the country of Germany
It doesn't matter if she was a lesbian though. We don't need to confirm or deny because it doesn't matter.
The Mitford family were similar to those who choose to live off the grid, away from people and city life. Their main advantage was to be wealthy. Their eccentricities were allowed to develop and be expressed from young ages. They were still influenced by social expectations, eg marriage to others of the right class, except for Nancy of course.
They fascinate us because they broke from the majority of the time.
FL you have given us a clear view of each person beautifully 😍
I think you'll find Jessica was the rebel, not Nancy. Jessica ended up married to a black socialist American.
Nancy was besotted with a French military officer, who really just used her.
Thank you so much, this was extremely interesting. I learned a lot. By the way Berkshire is not pronounced 'berk-shire'. It's pronounced 'bark- shr'. The English truncate the pronunciation of 'shire' in all instances to 'shr'.
"efficient women with a masculine outlook" - JDraper recently read this description from a 1930s personality quiz - it's clearly how society described lesbians during that era 😄
Love your research and dialogue.
She did have the security of her own money so why marry?
Being able to be with what she loved and understood was her true freedom
Not many could dream of it.
Simple private peace.
If I had to guess, I would say that it was a way for both her and her husband to hide that they were queer of whatever caliber. It was frequently done in that time period. I'm sure he had his lovers the same as she did and they eventually decided it wasn't worth the effort.
Her husband made no secret of the fact he was bisexual. There is no actual evidence that she was either bisexual or lesbian.
The woman with Mosley in uniform is the leader of the womens section of the BUF, not Diana Mosley.
The Boring one was the most interesting of all! So sad people couldn’t love who they wanted and I long for the day when the whole world can!
I love that quote (I hope I can remember): often right but seldom heard.
Interesting story.
Glad you think so!
Where are you getting your information/resources from
Yes nobody would have thought that she might have been asexual, cuz people would have thought such a person would not be interested in getting married, but you might get married in order to not be thought of as being gay, or in her case a lesbian. Especially if you realized you aren't in that category do you know you're not really interested either... So where does that leave you, back then those were your choices if you want Catholic, Catholic at least say well maybe I was meant to be a nun.
I've got to add that Decca was, by far, the most unreliable of the sisters. Her book, "Hons and Rebels" was agreed by the remaining sisters to have been as much fiction as fact. While her accusation is new to me, it is fair to note that her sisters joked among themselves at her laxity with the truth. She was really a terrible and undependable person.
💜
*Why do the British not use the word "the" before Hospital?*
Australians dont either, as in "I had to go to hospital."
They were beautiful women.
We each have the right to make our choices, and to make another should they not meet of desires.
👏🏽👍🏽
All the Mitford sisters were very interesting
Of course she is a quiet woman who likes the country and the company of her animals, so she MUST be a lesbian 🙄People are so unimaginative. Thanks for the interesting bio. The fascist connections are a little hair-raising.
I'm 62 and just discovered I'm a lesbianism then and I'm most surprised!
Very interesting romantic lives, both she and her husband.
Very beautifull 💖
Although married, I think her sisters would agree that she was a lesbian
Why, no such thing. In extensive reading I've seen no indication from any family member they believed that. Were she so, the possibility is far and away the more likely it would be known. Millions of words have been written about the Mitfords with no responsible party citing such a reality. Could it be demonstrated . . . fair enough. But groundless speculation and "guessing" are a pastime of foolish people.
Many people who would be somewhere in the Queer umbrella made marriages of convenience and mutual protection. While I'm grateful we live in more open lives, I respect the stories of the LBGTQIA ancestors that came before.
Do you brother he also do RUclips on actor and actress of our life
Meaning those do movie in our time
What’s the secret?
I appreciate the series but I don't really see the need to speculate on the sexual preferences of the people presented in these biographies. If they have publicly stated a preference of course that's worth mentioning but if they preferred to hide that facet of their life then I think it's more appropriate that we respect that.
Hardly a Lesbian if she was happily married. Ignore gossip for facts that distinguish good biography films from tabloid fodder.
These are essentially well done; certainly moreso than the bulk of video material concerning the Mitfords. However, how do you justify your declaration that it is almost certain Pamela was a lesbian, and in the next breath admit there is no concrete evidence of your assertion? The only utterance I am aware of, other than yours, even suggesting the possibility was her friendship in later life with an Italian lady; I would be interested to know what responsible source has publicly sketched in the same conclusion. Without a scintilla of proof it is irresponsible to put forward such an accusation. Certainly no one in her family believed it.
In my opinion this particular RUclipsr is better than most, and with limited resources he is trying to follow the principals of historical method; where the veracity of any past event can only have the possibility of being established on the basis of what is most probable when the various evidences available are considered in “good faith”. Maybe you consider any occurrence in the past, and there is only the past; we are all condemned to live in the eternal present, to be intrinsically unverifiable.
In defending a long dead women against the heinous accusation of lesbianism, I guess you are most likely to have some unresolved issues concerning your own sexuality; or you are plainly and simply a bigot who has not adjusted to the new, more progressive morality in this area.
I have read only this one comment from your good self, billstory8034, and I probably will never encounter you again; as many do here on RUclips and elsewhere, you hide behind a name that is not your own; I will demonstrate again that I stand by every word I have ever written: My name is J.R.S. Carpenter, as it always has and will be.
Azure Cinnamon 😊
So, consider that she may not have been a lesbian, she may have been asexual.
VD, like the others.
I would love to know where your source is for your claim that Pamela was a Lesbian. Quite frankly I could not care less if she was or not, but you cannot just make this statement with no documented evidence.
How do we know she was a lesbian if there is no evidence? Is it just because of her husband’s proclivities, or because they had no children?
Pamela also lived with a female companion for many years.
It’s a leap.
Well, that goes without saying. I don’t have a prayer with an overwhelming number of living women…
Talk about living in so many beautiful places. Sigh…..
She’s a Vampire ‼️
Who actually won ww2. Germany came out allot better than us. Even in the 70s we was paying war debts for another 30years. Germany came out stronger than ever and with a great economy
The strength of Germany's economy is due to the "Marshall Plan"" Administrated by Gen George Marshall after WW2, it was designed to prevent future wars by economies strong enough to discourage wars.🎉🎉🎉🎉
Oh no not you again
It is of today well known, that the Mitfords were not Aristocratic British upper class.
The sisters were born through a TACTICAL idea, that )ewish families centuries earlier, already made reality.
In the 12th century the jooish Italian upper class financial families with the name EST family and SAVOY family married into British Aristocracy.
The Savoy ruled Italy until 1945.
They married into the Habsburgs and expanded their financial network to such an extent, that after Waterloo and the Congress of Vienna 1815, Europe was in the hands of the Pinnochios.
The plan they had from 1897 on, is detailed in the Protocols.
Book Reference:
The Secret Powers Behind Revolutions by Leon de Poncins. ///
You sound so very bored while reading this. To me this way of speaking is hard to follow.