Yes, unfortunately times the add fake drama to make them more interesting which to me takes away . I never really watched the crown but I watched the Spanish princess. They put stuff in there that was so untrue. The real story was fantastic but they had stuff and they didn't need to do. Then you don't know what's true and what's not. At least I didn't..
Truth is not dramatic enough for Hollywood, but more to the truth, this is what I love about history. Truth isn't created, it's acted out and theater is the story of life written in history. Even if they aren't named, stories like this make me read and learn more than watch someone tell me the story, as I can see the way rather than have it implied. This is why I read history.
In same boat. It's very good isn't it? By listening to eloquently, inteligently put-across ideas, even of those we disagree with, we learn more about what it is that we do agree and align with.
Excellent documentary on a fashinating subject. I only wish the other four sisters Nancy, Unity, Deborah and Pamela were included. All six girls led interesting lives touched by the turmoil of the era.
The title of this documentary is 'A tale of 2 sisters' that's why the focus is on Diana and Deborah , it's about family relationships , the above title is misleading to a point. Thank you
They' were not as good looking as detailed here. Why do people from the upper classes often have such a low standard when it comes to looks and intelligence.
@@corryjookit7818 because they are following the Aryan standards of beauty. I didn’t find them particularly pretty. Their faces are just round and flat , bland looking to me
Nancy Mitford’s books The Pursuit of Love and Love in a Cold Climate are semi autobiographical and describe their eccentric childhood really well, so funny and charming too🇬🇧
The book by Mary S. Lovell: “The Mitford Girls; The biography of an extraordinary family”, makes for a marvelously entertaining reading. Beats watching any TV series!
I enjoyed this! As a kid I remember my father talking about The American Way of Death over the dinner table. As an adult I enjoyed the revised edition, then learned that Jessica lived in the San Francisco Bay Area, as did we. Later I found the 'latest' book covering their amazing lives. (There are many.) So they'll always be "good copy"!
As a avid historian, I remember reading bits and pieces about the Mitford sisters. I just gave up. They seemed to me, a mystery wrapped up in a enigma.
In the movie Shadowlands (CS Lewis and his wife Joy) , Joy reflected on the narrative of that (pre WW2) era as, you were either a fascist and destroying the world or a Communist and saving the world. But neither were based on biblical values or Democracy. Was this just the narrative of the intellectual elite, bc I don't recall, from my parents, grandparents, or any other source, that reflecting the mainstream citizens in the USA. Please feel free to share your perspective, Thanks!
@@goldilox369 - For sure. One book that is not as interesting on a personal level as Shadowlands (except in the beginning) is Bella Dodd's book School of Darkness (and her testimony to Congress in 1953, a bit of it on RUclips.) All of the pre-WW2 dynamics are complicated, but the issue of the growing influence, and infiltration and spread off Communism in the early 20th century is really key. she goes into incredible detail as she documents how this all happened in the USA. ..... She reportedly also revealed that she was directly involved in the Communist infiltration of the US seminaries (happened in other countries as well, hence the 2 very short books Alta Vendetta and AA 1025 The latter includes the former, which is out of print...). All eye openers as to pre WW2 politics !
@@finallythere100 certainly in the 1930s, there was a rivalry between Communism and Fascism. Democracy and captialism seemed to have failed and more radicial solutions seemed to be necessary. Younger people beleived in socialisim or communism and it seemed like the only way of feeding the masses and creating a new world.
I had a friend, the celebrated Irish historian, Professor R B McDowell, who once went on a boat trip with Lady Mosley. McDowell was shivering because of the cold wind, complaining that he hadn't dressed warmly enough. Lady Mosley replied that it had been much colder in 'Brixton nick' during the war.
Diana and her husband received privileged treatment while in prison. Winston Churchill granted permission for the couple to live in a small house inside Holloway Prison. They were given a small garden where they could sunbathe and grow their own vegetables. They were even allowed to employ fellow prisoners as servants.
It’s weird how upper class people always talk sympathetically about traitors to their countries. Those women are never put in a real prison or treated how a poorer person would have been disciplined. As an audience member I am always meant to be sorry for them. I prefer to sympathize which less affluent people who suffered and had no choice about it.
Thank you for posting. I love reading about this terribly dysfunctional family though honestly they all could've used some family counselling. What a family! While Jessica and Diana were the most notorious I think the biggest survivor was Deborah the youngest daughter who was a witness to all of the drama her older sisters wrought onto the family. To be honest that rivalry is what tore this family apart. Debo came out on top and mostly unscathed as The Duchess of Devonshire and was the driving force of Chatsworth. There's not much is written about Pamela the Rural Mitford apart from her love for cooking and being the reliable sister despite the ruthless teasing of Nancy and Diana.
@@NinjaGrrrl7734 Nancy wasn't exactly an angel. She was quite ruthless with her teasing. The fact she was more or less responsible for Diana's imprisonment without a trial separating her from her children is debatable. Worse Diana didn't know til after Nancy's death. She took care of Nancy in her final months. Pamela is said to have had antisemitic views something I found out of late. Deborah did dabble in politics for awhile supporting her husband Andrew who wasn't fateful. All of the sisters had a skeleton or two.
Diana was understandably traumatized by her time in prison. Her husband, on the other hand, once told an interviewer, "After Winchester, prison was nothing." (Winchester was his childhood boarding school.)
More stiff upper-lip. Mosely was, in fact, very thin and seriously ill by the time he was finally released, prison had been a very bad time for him indeed, ditto Diana.
Had they lived in an earlier - or later - age, the Mitford Sisters would be known, if at all, as beautiful, intelligent, upper-class twits. But they came of age in an evil decade, and they passionately took sides, which has made them immortal. If there's one quote (among so many) that capture the family gestalt, it was the retired nanny who, on hearing that Jessica had run away to Spain, exclaimed, "But she hasn't the right CLOTHES to fit in."
Gosh the upper class writer who thinks Diana was “made an example of” seems to miss the point that this woman took money from the Germans. Was so close to top Nazis that she was married in Goebells house! Her comments about the persecution of Jews were so loathsome I fail to see the “charm”. Jessica I can admire for her commitment.
Fascinating how two Aristocrats wound up subscribing to Ideologies that loath them, wonder if it was self hatred or some sort of youth rebellion thing that drove them
Kind of like how the rich kids are doing the same thing today. I went to all the top schools in my family's rich and I'm worth well over a million dollars but I'm going to wear a eat the rich dress because I want the peasants to think I'm with them
@@magicpyroninja wtf are you on ?? 🇬🇧 this has nothing to do with American rich or poor or American history ?? This is history and about aristocracy of which there is none in America lol 😆 oh I forgot you have The Kardashians 😂 🏴
@@magicpyroninja until of course, it’s time to marry . One must marry n breed well. You be chasing the rich man so all you got to do is lie on your back and dream of England
This was very interesting thanks. Jessica Mitford wrote a book called the Fine Art of Muckraking. I know because my mother met her in San Jose, CA and did the artwork for the bookcover. This book wasnt mentioned but it was after the American Way of Death.
These young ladies remind me of my grandmother Gusti Stridsberg, the Austrian heiress, journalist in Moscow, communist collaborator, nurse and journalist in the Spanish Civil War, Soviet agent in Stockholm and writer. Her best selling autobiography, 'Menschen, Mächte und ich' was translated into English as 'My Five Lives' and into Swedish as "Mina fem liv'. Her love life rivaled that of Dr. Zhviago, her adventures those of Indiana Jones. Like many of her generation she left a life of comfort and security to devote herself to the struggle for democracy.
@@AradSP She was indeed. She was my mother's mother. There's also some interesting recently revealed information about her activities in the book 'Mrs Petrova's Shoe', by Wilhelm Agrell, none of which she mentioned in her memoir....
>devote herself to the struggle for democracy >Soviet agent in Stockholm Well kudos to her for going to the goddamned Spanish Civil War, that must have taken serious chops, I won't even try to dispute that but being a Soviet Agent wasn't fighting for Democracy in any way, shape or form.
Throughly enjoyed this documentary. Not a lot on the Mitfords in this way. Nancys adaptions from her books into TV or movies were excellent. Agree with other comments we need a series, not unlike The Crown. 👏
An interesting side line of study would be; children who grow up in relative isolation and their propensity to live an adult life of slight eccentricity.
The Mitfords, what an interesting family. I've never heard of them until now .. why were they never talked about in the other historical material that I've watched over the years?
Thank you, a very interesting documentary, I had heard of the Mitford sisters, but only knew about Nancy. I am amazed they are not well known historical figures.
I love how the two sisters battled it out at the family estate one scratching swastikas on the window with her diamond ring, the other scratching hammer and sickle with her diamond.
For the millionth time it was not swastika it was hakenkreuz.!! It is seriously offending as a hindu when you refer to the hakenkreuz as the swastika. They are two entirely different thing. When will the west learn, smh. 🤦♂️
They were basically spoiled hothouse flowers who had a sort of inbred education broad in subject but narrow in variety of human interaction.... in their formative years no one ever ran up against them in debate other than each other or their extremely narrow circle. It gave them a sense of over self-importance. It made them bizarre.
"Froth and darkness" it is. Ultimately the arrogance of self-esteem and hubris inculcated by their childhood privilege and neither one can overcome the fascination by the dictatorship of the state... on either extreme. The great equalizer in these women is their craving for attention and importance in competition with each other. Rather dismal, stunted and unbending characters.
How were they on opposite extremes? Both believed in socialism, one National Socialism of the Nazis, the other International Socialism or Communism. Both on the far left of politics, both murderous authoritarian regimes, both financed by American banks.
@@jonathanwarrenberg9260 The irony is that the "far Left" socialist ideologies always end with a small, hereditary, rich, entitled socialist elite and everyone else treated as peasants. It's no wonder they're so appealing to children of the elite.
@@gavanwhatever8196 right wingers never acknowledge their own trash, unless they can themselves get on TV while storming the Capitol (look Ma, no brains!) And even then they blame cosplaying antifa for it, because they are cowards.
Interesting in a sickly sort of way. It’s difficult to believe that they had an education and in that respect they were failed by their parents. Born into wealth and privilege , without a real education, is perhaps the explanation for their differing lives.
That's illogical, home schooled kids today have a massive advantage vs the state schools. I would never send my kids to a public school, as I don't want them Lgbtq indoctrinated
Very interesting. Interesting how gullible yet otherwise intelligent people get caught up in totalitarian horrors. Are we on the cusp of similar political polarization?
Seems we've entered a new political era, as we see here in the United States are watching the slow implosion of the Demacrat party. What will rise from it's ashes is the new socialist Democrat party, which will play a key role in a basic income etc. A parallel economy is coming to fruition based off of cryptocurrency, and free market capitalism, which offers the incentives for innovation in new technologies products and production process's. As for the republican party it's being reshaped into the national populist republican party. Trump 2024!!! Seems the prolitariat revolution has been subverted by the tech revolution. I just hope the virtual reality utopia doesn't become a real life distopia. Definitely an interesting time to say the least.
@@lizroberts1569 seems as of covid has led to a great realization seems planner. Have you read about event 201, agenda 2021 and agenda 2030? Its very interesting to say the least. Yuri Bezmenov has a great lecture on today's political scenario. Also Steve Turley has a podcast he's is the most accurately in my opinion, you should check him channel out.
His book on Darwin was so incredibly bad in every way that after reading it I wouldn't recommend his ideological, hyperpartisan and incredibly bad researched writing...
I remember seeing an interview in France Of Diana at 80. Incredibly impressionable. Beautiful with fasciating voice, aristocratic consonance. I was completely fascinated.
A totally weird family with none of the worries of the working class people they supposedly aligned themselves with, if they where true believers in what they preached then they would have given away their wealth but they didn't, it was all just a game to them, I have no time for any of them except Deborah who I met when I was a child on a school trip to Chatsworth House, she was a very nice Lady!
It’s quite jarring. I feel genuinely bad about even thinking it, and would never tease, as it’s not like it’s something she can help. But every time she speaks, it takes me out of the story, and just annoys me.
Agreed. Very disturbing, and as Jessica says below, disturbing. And as for the idea that "she can't help it", I'm not quite sure. Many have voice lessons for all types of vocal improvements. People are taught to strengthen their lower registers, and once can learn to deepen one's voice. Many actors have done so..
I thought that lady's voice was annoying enough, but then to describe the Republicans in the Spanish Civil war as 'revolutionaries' tipped it over the edge. How can you be expected to take anything she says seriously?!
“The first man who, having fenced in a piece of land, and said "this is mine," and found people naïve enough to believe him, that man was the true founder of civil society. From how many crimes, wars, and murders, from how many horrors and misfortunes might not any one have saved mankind, by pulling up the stakes, or filling up the ditch, and crying to his fellows, “Beware of listening to this impostor; you are undone if you once forget that the fruits of the earth belong to us all, and the earth itself to nobody.” Jean Jacques Rousseau, The origins of inequality 1754 "As for the virtuous poor, one can pity them, of course, but one cannot possibly admire them. They have made private terms with the enemy and sold their birthright for very bad pottage. They must also be extraordinarily stupid. I can quite understand a man accepting laws that protect private property and admitting to its accumulation, as long as he himself is able under those conditions to realize some form of beautiful and intellectual life. But it is almost incredible to me how a man whose life is marred and made hideous by such laws can possibly acquiesce in their continuance." Oscar Wilde 1898
Maybe the one guy got tired of his cow wandering off, or his neighbors tired of it trampling his garden. Or wanted to keep animals out. You think property started just when man said this plot is mine? What about wholectribes drivingboff other trines because the land was theirs or they wanted it under their control? People today are narrow minded and cant see their nose for their face. Its preposterous to think there was ever a time people didn't claim land as their own.
My mother was fascinated by the two Mitford sisters. She would read, watch, listen to anything connected to their behaviour and lives. Would think that she could have written a goodish essay on them and the family. To sum up she considered them to be a pair of selfish, self centred, over privileged , time wasters, a pair of female louts. Never the less they were celebrities of their time, a time that my mother shared with them.
@@beckyenglish4783 No, the one I read was “the Mitford murders’ by Jessica Fellowes, which is a fiction series featuring them all. I got the title wrong.
It seems that the high intelligence and common sense are mutually exclusive. The more I learn about exceptional people, the more I am struck by their poor decision making. I often find myself wondering how someone so smart could do something so irresponsible or stupid. These bright, highly educated women were a really good example of that reckless impulsiveness.
And now we live in a world of highly intelligent people who are bent on imposing their will on the masses no matter what the masses think, want, or need.
The upper classes live in a world not familiar to the rest of us. Thinking about it can be intoxicating but fitting into it separates new money from breeding. If you go back k far enough you'll find a king whose family stopped peasants and acted like gangsters.
I have often wondered if the Mitford sisters weren't at least part of the inspiration for House Tyrell in Game of Thrones. Well, except in real life Margaery ended up marrying Joffrey after all!
Diana’s son Desmond Guinness lived where I grew up, Leixlip castle, outside Dublin. A true gent in every way. He passed away in 2020. It was a huge loss to the community. He had many interesting guests at the castle, from the stones and Marianne Faithful to Jerry Hall.
1930's was a dangerous Decade with the Great Depression and the Spanish Civil War which was an Ideological Petri Dish.Crazy Times which look like we are heading
Isn’t it awful! There was a girl at my school whose voice never matured. She still sounded like a little girl when she was 18. I would think it’s probably a medical issue, perhaps a hormone imbalance of some sort. The chief health officer in Queensland can’t say her r’s properly. They come out as w’s. Evewy twavellew must have a test priow to awwiving in Queensland. Ugh. I can’t listen to it. So glad I don’t live in Queensland! I also struggle with a lot of American women’s voices. They’re so harsh and screechy. This baby voice is probably worse though.
Kudos to Granny. In those days they walked the talk, knew the risks, and actually understood what they were fighting for. Today people avoid the truth like the plague and keep voting for despots, in the hope one of them will save them.
Fascism and Communism are NOT poles apart in ideology. The only difference between communism and fascism is that under fascism, people can still own their own businesses and run their own factories, but the government still dictates terms, and under communism, the state owns all the economic apparatuses. Other than that, everything else is exactly the same. They are both socialist systems, both have exactly the same way of disposing of their opponents and other enemies of the state. However, it is Communism, that by far, has the highest body count and has wreaked the greatest amount of death and carnage in history, and continues to do so, while a whole new generation of ignorant children with no life experience and schooled by ideologues in our schools have somehow been made to believe communism is such a wonderful system. My parents lived under both and escaped them. They said under both, people died or were imprisoned en masse. If anyone believes there is any other differences between these systems, read a book.
I think folks would understand this better if they learn that Mussolini was once a key figure in the Italian Socialist Party and that he wrote for its newspaper, and that he was even his Chief editor for a while.
A pal of mine who is a member of the Guinness family tells me they were his great Aunts. A cousin of his father was Tara Brown, killed in a Lotus Elan in London - subject of the song lines 'he blew his mind out in a car' in the Lennon-McCartney song "A day in the life'. This chap is a 'remittance man' who never worked a day in his life. Unfortunately he was born out of wedlock so the remittence is quite small, ha ha.
It would seem to be good material for a TV series along the lines of "The Crown" or perhaps even "Game of Thrones" 😀 Truth is stranger than fiction.
Yes, unfortunately times the add fake drama to make them more interesting which to me takes away . I never really watched the crown but I watched the Spanish princess. They put stuff in there that was so untrue. The real story was fantastic but they had stuff and they didn't need to do. Then you don't know what's true and what's not. At least I didn't..
@@merricat3025 they did that in The Crown as well so I couldn't finish it.
Truth is not dramatic enough for Hollywood, but more to the truth, this is what I love about history. Truth isn't created, it's acted out and theater is the story of life written in history. Even if they aren't named, stories like this make me read and learn more than watch someone tell me the story, as I can see the way rather than have it implied.
This is why I read history.
Apparently I'm distantly related to these people. Very distantly.
Downton Abbey almost. Totally!!
My 53 yr old brain is always learning something new, and this channel is at the forefront of this! Thank you!
In same boat.
It's very good isn't it?
By listening to eloquently, inteligently put-across ideas, even of those we disagree with, we learn more about what it is that we do agree and align with.
Excellent documentary on a fashinating subject. I only wish the other four sisters Nancy, Unity, Deborah and Pamela were included. All six girls led interesting lives touched by the turmoil of the era.
Nancy and unity were included
The title of this documentary is 'A tale of 2 sisters' that's why the focus is on Diana and Deborah , it's about family relationships , the above title is misleading to a point.
Thank you
With the Mitfords, it could be a mixture of both.
They' were not as good looking as detailed here. Why do people from the upper classes often have such a low standard when it comes to looks and intelligence.
@@corryjookit7818 because they are following the Aryan standards of beauty. I didn’t find them particularly pretty. Their faces are just round and flat , bland looking to me
Nancy Mitford’s books The Pursuit of Love and Love in a Cold Climate are semi autobiographical and describe their eccentric childhood really well, so funny and charming too🇬🇧
Watching it on youtube at the moment. Fantastic.
Absolutely brilliant documentary; I knew nothing of this family. Thank you for making this available.
I was not looking for this I just stumbled upon it and could not stop watching ! Very Addictive !!
The book by Mary S. Lovell: “The Mitford Girls; The biography of an extraordinary family”, makes for a marvelously entertaining reading. Beats watching any TV series!
That book is one of my favourites, I highly recommend it.
Or hearing that awful voice from one of the commentators! Cringe.
@christianfournier6862 I couldn’t agree more!
I came here after watching Peaky Blinders. This is a great story of the sisters, there's a book/movie/TV show here. Great doco.
I enjoyed this! As a kid I remember my father talking about The American Way of Death over the dinner table. As an adult I enjoyed the revised edition, then learned that Jessica lived in the San Francisco Bay Area, as did we. Later I found the 'latest' book covering their amazing lives. (There are many.) So they'll always be "good copy"!
The Mitfords ..endlessly fascinating.
So many pics & footage I've never seen before. Marvellous!
Thanks for sharing!
As a avid historian, I remember reading bits and pieces about the Mitford sisters. I just gave up. They seemed to me, a mystery wrapped up in a enigma.
In the movie Shadowlands (CS Lewis and his wife Joy) , Joy reflected on the narrative of that (pre WW2) era as, you were either a fascist and destroying the world or a Communist and saving the world. But neither were based on biblical values or Democracy. Was this just the narrative of the intellectual elite, bc I don't recall, from my parents, grandparents, or any other source, that reflecting the mainstream citizens in the USA. Please feel free to share your perspective, Thanks!
what is mysterious about them? God knows they have written a lot about themselves.
@@finallythere100 loved that movie. And I'm fascinated by the prewar (WW2) period in all the nations. Nothing happens in a vacuum, so they say...
@@goldilox369 - For sure. One book that is not as interesting on a personal level as Shadowlands (except in the beginning) is Bella Dodd's book School of Darkness (and her testimony to Congress in 1953, a bit of it on RUclips.) All of the pre-WW2 dynamics are complicated, but the issue of the growing influence, and infiltration and spread off Communism in the early 20th century is really key. she goes into incredible detail as she documents how this all happened in the USA. ..... She reportedly also revealed that she was directly involved in the Communist infiltration of the US seminaries (happened in other countries as well, hence the 2 very short books Alta Vendetta and AA 1025 The latter includes the former, which is out of print...). All eye openers as to pre WW2 politics !
@@finallythere100 certainly in the 1930s, there was a rivalry between Communism and Fascism. Democracy and captialism seemed to have failed and more radicial solutions seemed to be necessary. Younger people beleived in socialisim or communism and it seemed like the only way of feeding the masses and creating a new world.
I had a friend, the celebrated Irish historian, Professor R B McDowell, who once went on a boat trip with Lady Mosley. McDowell was shivering because of the cold wind, complaining that he hadn't dressed warmly enough. Lady Mosley replied that it had been much colder in 'Brixton nick' during the war.
Diana and her husband received privileged treatment while in prison. Winston Churchill granted permission for the couple to live in a small house inside Holloway Prison. They were given a small garden where they could sunbathe and grow their own vegetables. They were even allowed to employ fellow prisoners as servants.
It’s weird how upper class people always talk sympathetically about traitors to their countries. Those women are never put in a real prison or treated how a poorer person would have been disciplined. As an audience member I am always meant to be sorry for them. I prefer to sympathize which less affluent people who suffered and had no choice about it.
Thank you for posting. I love reading about this terribly dysfunctional family though honestly they all could've used some family counselling. What a family! While Jessica and Diana were the most notorious I think the biggest survivor was Deborah the youngest daughter who was a witness to all of the drama her older sisters wrought onto the family. To be honest that rivalry is what tore this family apart. Debo came out on top and mostly unscathed as The Duchess of Devonshire and was the driving force of Chatsworth. There's not much is written about Pamela the Rural Mitford apart from her love for cooking and being the reliable sister despite the ruthless teasing of Nancy and Diana.
Agreed, and would add I cannot stand Diane. Even later in life, she excused Mosley and Hitler's fascism. Disgusting. Unity was no loss.
@@NinjaGrrrl7734 Nancy wasn't exactly an angel. She was quite ruthless with her teasing. The fact she was more or less responsible for Diana's imprisonment without a trial separating her from her children is debatable. Worse Diana didn't know til after Nancy's death. She took care of Nancy in her final months. Pamela is said to have had antisemitic views something I found out of late. Deborah did dabble in politics for awhile supporting her husband Andrew who wasn't fateful. All of the sisters had a skeleton or two.
Diana was understandably traumatized by her time in prison. Her husband, on the other hand, once told an interviewer, "After Winchester, prison was nothing."
(Winchester was his childhood boarding school.)
More stiff upper-lip. Mosely was, in fact, very thin and seriously ill by the time he was finally released, prison had been a very bad time for him indeed, ditto Diana.
What an incredibly crazy, intriguing and sad story!
Thanks for this upload!
Had they lived in an earlier - or later - age, the Mitford Sisters would be known, if at all, as beautiful, intelligent, upper-class twits. But they came of age in an evil decade, and they passionately took sides, which has made them immortal. If there's one quote (among so many) that capture the family gestalt, it was the retired nanny who, on hearing that Jessica had run away to Spain, exclaimed, "But she hasn't the right CLOTHES to fit in."
Joyce opined,"we simply must dress the character".....
Oh I’ve been obsessed with tales of these ladies. Thank you for posting
These are wonderful documentaries, and stories that are dynamite
Gosh the upper class writer who thinks Diana was “made an example of” seems to miss the point that this woman took money from the Germans. Was so close to top Nazis that she was married in Goebells house! Her comments about the persecution of Jews were so loathsome I fail to see the “charm”. Jessica I can admire for her commitment.
She never took money from the Germans or supported racial persecution of Jews.
Diana was undeniably a charming and charismatic woman
@@mikhailbabushkinum not really. Nazis aren't.
They were both committed wtf ?
@@glen7318Neither are commies
Fascinating how two Aristocrats wound up subscribing to Ideologies that loath them, wonder if it was self hatred or some sort of youth rebellion thing that drove them
Kind of like how the rich kids are doing the same thing today.
I went to all the top schools in my family's rich and I'm worth well over a million dollars but I'm going to wear a eat the rich dress because I want the peasants to think I'm with them
@@magicpyroninja wtf are you on ?? 🇬🇧 this has nothing to do with American rich or poor or American history ?? This is history and about aristocracy of which there is none in America lol 😆 oh I forgot you have The Kardashians 😂 🏴
Fascism doesn't loathe aristocrats and the wealthy, that the (in practice insincere) claim made by Communism.
@@magicpyroninja until of course, it’s time to marry . One must marry n breed well. You be chasing the rich man so all you got to do is lie on your back and dream of England
@@clairepeace5783 no one was talking about America
This was very interesting thanks. Jessica Mitford wrote a book called the Fine Art of Muckraking. I know because my mother met her in San Jose, CA and did the artwork for the bookcover. This book wasnt mentioned but it was after the American Way of Death.
These young ladies remind me of my grandmother Gusti Stridsberg, the Austrian heiress, journalist in Moscow, communist collaborator, nurse and journalist in the Spanish Civil War, Soviet agent in Stockholm and writer. Her best selling autobiography, 'Menschen, Mächte und ich' was translated into English as 'My Five Lives' and into Swedish as "Mina fem liv'. Her love life rivaled that of Dr. Zhviago, her adventures those of Indiana Jones. Like many of her generation she left a life of comfort and security to devote herself to the struggle for democracy.
Was she really your grandmother?
@@AradSP She was indeed. She was my mother's mother. There's also some interesting recently revealed information about her activities in the book 'Mrs Petrova's Shoe', by Wilhelm Agrell, none of which she mentioned in her memoir....
Oh, looking for her book!
>devote herself to the struggle for democracy
>Soviet agent in Stockholm
Well kudos to her for going to the goddamned Spanish Civil War, that must have taken serious chops, I won't even try to dispute that but being a Soviet Agent wasn't fighting for Democracy in any way, shape or form.
Did you literally just describe a communist as fighting for democracy? 🤣🤡
A fascinating documentary, thanks for uploading.
Great documentary. Learned a lot, thank you very much.
I’d recommend the book ‘The Mitfords: Letters Between Six Sisters’. It gives an insight to the family dynamics over the years.
Throughly enjoyed this documentary. Not a lot on the Mitfords in this way. Nancys adaptions from her books into TV or movies were excellent. Agree with other comments we need a series, not unlike The Crown. 👏
Definitely. The whole story would make a great series. There are so many strange and eccentric characters involved...
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That woman Hope (journalist/ commentator) has the most jarring little girl voice
I think she is a little person hence the voice
like an animated chipmunk
I'm thinking she is deaf...
Has there ever been a tv drama series about the Mitfords?….if there hasn’t there should be,imagine how good that could be?
Diana was a character featured in the Netflix series peaky blinders along with Mosley
@@torontoson6954 that was complete fiction.
@@torontoson6954 They did them so wrong in that show. Unfairly used the names i think.
This was very interesting. I'm glad to see a documentary on them
Fascinating
An interesting side line of study would be; children who grow up in relative isolation and their propensity to live an adult life of slight eccentricity.
Thank you Timeline ,
Dan Snow , U know nowt !
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Her calling her aunt a snake shows just how poisoned the family still is. Too much privilege.
The woman with the little girl voice is really annoying
Agreed plus plus
you are too kind.
Leave off the poor woman and listen to what she says
I believe she is deaf or nearly...
Have always been fascinated with the Mitford sisters , great Documentary 👏👏👍
The Mitfords, what an interesting family. I've never heard of them until now .. why were they never talked about in the other historical material that I've watched over the years?
Same here, I love history and I had never even heard of them until today. Now I want to learn everything that I possibly can about them.
because 2 of them might have been considered traitors by some? They are kind of a case unto themselves, I think.
Thank you, a very interesting documentary, I had heard of the Mitford sisters, but only knew about Nancy. I am amazed they are not well known historical figures.
I knew there were at least 3 who were noteworthy, didn't know there were actually 6 of them.
They are well known
I love how the two sisters battled it out at the family estate one scratching swastikas on the window with her diamond ring, the other scratching hammer and sickle with her diamond.
No kidding, neither had a clue.
For the millionth time it was not swastika it was hakenkreuz.!! It is seriously offending as a hindu when you refer to the hakenkreuz as the swastika. They are two entirely different thing. When will the west learn, smh. 🤦♂️
@@ज़रिया Another victim of microaggrression! Call an ambulance! Call a grief counselor!
@@poetcomic1 Continue with your stigmatised propoganda.. i wouldn't want to indulge with you here on 💁♂️
@@ज़रिया Do Hindus want to join the ranks of the 'aggrieved'? I am so disappointed to think so.
I guess the background music never stops.
So many videos are ruined by a loud, intrusive soundtrack. I wanted to watch this video, but I gave up shortly into it for that reason.
Incredible. What a bizarre and fascinating story.
But when I listen to the affectatious language mannerisms of this video I fear for the worst ... simply too much NARCISSISM
Wild, but not abandoned😁
V. interesting, I knew Decca quite well the last 10 years of her life. It was more complicated than this film show. Overall, a good documentary
Absolutely fascinating family - all characters in their own right, parents too.
Yes, from the biography I am presently reading, the parents had extremely interesting lives and personalities- as much so as any of their children.
Cool documentary 👌, just can't concentrate with tinkerbel chipping in. Lol no offense to her.
I am glad you are using the real names, I have read two books about this family, and it was confusing using all their nicknames and secret language.
They were basically spoiled hothouse flowers who had a sort of inbred education broad in subject but narrow in variety of human interaction.... in their formative years no one ever ran up against them in debate other than each other or their extremely narrow circle. It gave them a sense of over self-importance. It made them bizarre.
Certainly not Jessica.
Yes, but not Jessica. She turned out beautifully. Humane and clever. Well-educated and kind.
@@SuperStella1111 hmmm
"Froth and darkness" it is. Ultimately the arrogance of self-esteem and hubris inculcated by their childhood privilege and neither one can overcome the fascination by the dictatorship of the state... on either extreme. The great equalizer in these women is their craving for attention and importance in competition with each other. Rather dismal, stunted and unbending characters.
How were they on opposite extremes? Both believed in socialism, one National Socialism of the Nazis, the other International Socialism or Communism. Both on the far left of politics, both murderous authoritarian regimes, both financed by American banks.
@@jonathanwarrenberg9260 The irony is that the "far Left" socialist ideologies always end with a small, hereditary, rich, entitled socialist elite and everyone else treated as peasants. It's no wonder they're so appealing to children of the elite.
@@DrCruel Indeed.
@@jonathanwarrenberg9260 That's an interesting dance, stepping the Nazis all the way from far right to far left.
@@gavanwhatever8196 right wingers never acknowledge their own trash, unless they can themselves get on TV while storming the Capitol (look Ma, no brains!) And even then they blame cosplaying antifa for it, because they are cowards.
Great story but I'm pleased Hope Whitmore didn't do all the talking, I'm not sure if that voice is put on, I hope so!
Couldn't hear a word she said.. tried with headphones and realised she wasn't saying anything of worth anyway.
I think she had an extreme deafness issue...
The lisping commentary lends an otherworldly sense i cannot fully express. One can only athumme that they dethperately needed the employ.
As it happens the Mitfords lisped. Couldn’t pronounce their “r”s. And had reedy, thin voices, in received pronunciations.
Interesting in a sickly sort of way. It’s difficult to believe that they had an education and in that respect they were failed by their parents. Born into wealth and privilege , without a real education, is perhaps the explanation for their differing lives.
A ton of college students go Commie and that's primarily because of the education they receive on college campuses...
That's illogical, home schooled kids today have a massive advantage vs the state schools. I would never send my kids to a public school, as I don't want them Lgbtq indoctrinated
@@poolofstuff Big difference between rights and forced indoctrination
This naive wealthy gals….searching for a purpose. Theses gals were the precursor to Hanoi Jane Fonda…..not sure what they accomplished.
@@johnschunk3412 what exactly is being indoctrinated?
Very interesting. Interesting how gullible yet otherwise intelligent people get caught up in totalitarian horrors.
Are we on the cusp of similar political polarization?
Seems we've entered a new political era, as we see here in the United States are watching the slow implosion of the Demacrat party. What will rise from it's ashes is the new socialist Democrat party, which will play a key role in a basic income etc. A parallel economy is coming to fruition based off of cryptocurrency, and free market capitalism, which offers the incentives for innovation in new technologies products and production process's. As for the republican party it's being reshaped into the national populist republican party. Trump 2024!!! Seems the prolitariat revolution has been subverted by the tech revolution. I just hope the virtual reality utopia doesn't become a real life distopia. Definitely an interesting time to say the least.
That’s what populism and monetary crash bring about, or in our case Brexit & COVID
@@lizroberts1569 seems as of covid has led to a great realization seems planner. Have you read about event 201, agenda 2021 and agenda 2030? Its very interesting to say the least. Yuri Bezmenov has a great lecture on today's political scenario. Also Steve Turley has a podcast he's is the most accurately in my opinion, you should check him channel out.
Yes, we are.
Not the cusp - the great polarization is here.
It doesn't rate such dramatic music.
A good argument for the demise of the British aristocracy !
A.N. Wilson is a brilliant author, much too underappreciated nowadays.
His book on Darwin was so incredibly bad in every way that after reading it I wouldn't recommend his ideological, hyperpartisan and incredibly bad researched writing...
@@Hartley_Hare You sound like an idiot in love with himself in your comment, so.
Excellent documentary. I find the Mitford sisters fascinating.
What an amazing channel.........wow
I remember seeing an interview in France Of Diana at 80. Incredibly impressionable. Beautiful with fasciating voice, aristocratic consonance. I was completely fascinated.
When Hope started talking I had to quit watching
ek torombo rikkidoon vild sopitam~sopitam, zik orst achamba!
I struggled, being partly deaf I understood about half what she said, and even that was so inane that I don't know why she was included.
Same,even though the story seems to be a very interesting one
Dire voice. Not her fault but still dire.
Vocal nightmare indeed
A totally weird family with none of the worries of the working class people they supposedly aligned themselves with, if they where true believers in what they preached then they would have given away their wealth but they didn't, it was all just a game to them, I have no time for any of them except Deborah who I met when I was a child on a school trip to Chatsworth House, she was a very nice Lady!
Hope Whitmore's voice is unfortunate. She brings a child's tonal quality to an otherwise fascinating documentary.
It’s quite jarring. I feel genuinely bad about even thinking it, and would never tease, as it’s not like it’s something she can help. But every time she speaks, it takes me out of the story, and just annoys me.
As if she can help that.
@@jessica.L.edwards and you should feel bad. Do better.
Agreed. Very disturbing, and as Jessica says below, disturbing. And as for the idea that "she can't help it", I'm not quite sure. Many have voice lessons for all types of vocal improvements. People are taught to strengthen their lower registers, and once can learn to deepen one's voice. Many actors have done so..
@@justmechilling... you’re so virtuous, lmao.
Homeschooling is frowned upon because it produces unique individuals.
But that was in the 1920s
No girls among the aristocracy went to a school. They were always educated at home
For Unity's story, the best book I've read is HITLER'S VALKYRIE by David Litchfield.
On one hand the father had ' money problems ' but on the other, managed to finance the building, and furnishing, of a large house.
How do you think he got himself into money problems?
Here after watching Episode 2 ,S6 of Peaky Blinders!
Legends in their own minds
Ain't that the truth... I really don't know if I'm missing something here but they just seem like idiotic hysterics with too much entitlement.
Wonderful woman's documentary
Excellent documentary! Although, I am surprised this story has not been made into a movie.
The music is unpleasant and intrusive: the narrator with the Chucky voice is seriously C R E E P Y
Clashing Sisters: seems like a great name for a female rock band.
Wow! This puts light on things that I've never thought about today!
I thought that lady's voice was annoying enough, but then to describe the Republicans in the Spanish Civil war as 'revolutionaries' tipped it over the edge. How can you be expected to take anything she says seriously?!
Democrats are more revolutionary than Republicans.
“The first man who, having fenced in a piece of land, and said "this is mine," and found people naïve enough to believe him, that man was the true founder of civil society. From how many crimes, wars, and murders, from how many horrors and misfortunes might not any one have saved mankind, by pulling up the stakes, or filling up the ditch, and crying to his fellows, “Beware of listening to this impostor; you are undone if you once forget that the fruits of the earth belong to us all, and the earth itself to nobody.”
Jean Jacques Rousseau, The origins of inequality 1754
"As for the virtuous poor, one can pity them, of course, but one cannot possibly admire them. They have made private terms with the enemy and sold their birthright for very bad pottage. They must also be extraordinarily stupid. I can quite understand a man accepting laws that protect private property and admitting to its accumulation, as long as he himself is able under those conditions to realize some form of beautiful and intellectual life. But it is almost incredible to me how a man whose life is marred and made hideous by such laws can possibly acquiesce in their continuance."
Oscar Wilde 1898
Maybe the one guy got tired of his cow wandering off, or his neighbors tired of it trampling his garden. Or wanted to keep animals out. You think property started just when man said this plot is mine? What about wholectribes drivingboff other trines because the land was theirs or they wanted it under their control? People today are narrow minded and cant see their nose for their face. Its preposterous to think there was ever a time people didn't claim land as their own.
Excellent docu. (You might have mentioned the one brother, killed in W2, was also a fascist.)
My mother was fascinated by the two Mitford sisters. She would read, watch, listen to anything connected to their behaviour and lives. Would think that she could have written a goodish essay on them and the family. To sum up she considered them to be a pair of selfish, self centred, over privileged , time wasters, a pair of female louts. Never the less they were celebrities of their time, a time that my mother shared with them.
I am certain that Hope Whitmore is quite a delighful young lady - but the pitch of her voice needs dropping by a fifth - at the least.
I’ve just read a fiction book, The Mitford Sisters, and I had no idea it was based on a real family!
It’s non-fiction.
@@beckyenglish4783 that's what I was just about to say, lol
How stinking cute 🦒 Mr Giraffe
@@beckyenglish4783 No, the one I read was “the Mitford murders’ by Jessica Fellowes, which is a fiction series featuring them all. I got the title wrong.
I'm distantly related to these people... I've got the Mitford/Medford 3 black moles on silver coat of arms hanging in my dining room in fact.
It seems that the high intelligence and common sense are mutually exclusive.
The more I learn about exceptional people, the more I am struck by their poor decision making. I often find myself wondering how someone so smart could do something so irresponsible or stupid.
These bright, highly educated women were a really good example of that reckless impulsiveness.
And now we live in a world of highly intelligent people who are bent on imposing their will on the masses no matter what the masses think, want, or need.
Fascism captured whole society-regardless of intellect.
@@micah4242 fascism is equally as disgusting as communism. I have no argument of support for either ideology.
It comes down to arrogance
Education does not mean wisdom
How silky of those girls to cling to their disagreements after the war There is nothing more important than the Family
These women had way too much time to waste, should have both been working to pay their own bills.
They were upper class. The rich and elite can’t be seen with commoners
The only ones who didn't work were Diana and Unity, actually.
The upper classes live in a world not familiar to the rest of us.
Thinking about it can be intoxicating but fitting into it separates new money from breeding.
If you go back k far enough you'll find a king whose family stopped peasants and acted like gangsters.
The only "work" women should be doing is domestic duties for their husbands and children.
@@elgee6202 really, queen Victioria?
I love how the tone changed when she became Entranced with sir Oswald Moseley
Supermodel Stella Tennant (R.I.P.) was the granddaughter of Deborah Mitford & Andrew Cavendish the 11th Duke of Devonshire.
So sad what happened to Stella. She left behind four children.
duke of Devonshire.
@@glen7318Thank you for the correction.
Europe juggled with two knives - Fascism and Communism, both ended up stabbing it.
That's why it's mostly capitalist now and falling apart 🤣
@@cyberhermit1222 got any sources or are those your feelings?
@@cyberhermit1222 Communism is a problem too.
@@cyberhermit1222 found the racist
@@tylerbozinovski427 where is it a problem?
I love how the hammer and sickle is ok but the swastika is not ok…
Horseshoe theory
It’s because Communism took hold over America. So unfair.
That's because the Commies won.
*Sickle
@@gabeyo5071 I wish
The Mitford A family with far too much for doing so little , Money the key to all evil
Money is the key to all evil, yet you wouldn’t turn down a million dollars, would you?
Money is just energy. How can energy be evil?
I have often wondered if the Mitford sisters weren't at least part of the inspiration for House Tyrell in Game of Thrones. Well, except in real life Margaery ended up marrying Joffrey after all!
Diana’s son Desmond Guinness lived where I grew up, Leixlip castle, outside Dublin. A true gent in every way. He passed away in 2020. It was a huge loss to the community. He had many interesting guests at the castle, from the stones and Marianne Faithful to Jerry Hall.
So what!
Such a fascinating family.
1930's was a dangerous Decade with the Great Depression and the Spanish Civil War which was an Ideological Petri Dish.Crazy Times which look like we are heading
Both systems are failures.
No. Liberalism is the one that is a failure
@@GuilhermePereira-vi6vc u don't think Facism or Communism is a failure? Sounds like you are a liberal yourself.😂😂
@@karabelle67 a liberal? What? Can you even read? I literally said I am against liberalism and you call me a liberal...
All systems are failures...they are human...pick one.
same as Western democracy tbh
Great video
Hopes voice made this unwatchable what in the name of cebeebies was her voice about
ek torombo rikkidoon vild sopitam~sopitam, zik orst achamba!
I agree. She'd be suited to voice a care bear but nothing more serious.
Isn’t it awful! There was a girl at my school whose voice never matured. She still sounded like a little girl when she was 18. I would think it’s probably a medical issue, perhaps a hormone imbalance of some sort.
The chief health officer in Queensland can’t say her r’s properly. They come out as w’s. Evewy twavellew must have a test priow to awwiving in Queensland. Ugh. I can’t listen to it. So glad I don’t live in Queensland!
I also struggle with a lot of American women’s voices. They’re so harsh and screechy. This baby voice is probably worse though.
My grandmother was part of the group she said they were nice people, she had afternoon tea and went partying with them a lot, she was a anarchist.
Kudos to Granny. In those days they walked the talk, knew the risks, and actually understood what they were fighting for. Today people avoid the truth like the plague and keep voting for despots, in the hope one of them will save them.
Hope Whitmore has the most irritating voice I think I’ve ever heard.
Both ideologies are against aristocracy
Hope Whitmore does not possess the voice quality to be a commentator. Her voice is incredibly distracting.
A very good documentary. But why does the journalist a grownup woman talk like child...ridiculous.
Indeed. It´s quite irritating.
Wow! Seriously?
Fascism and Communism are NOT poles apart in ideology. The only difference between communism and fascism is that under fascism, people can still own their own businesses and run their own factories, but the government still dictates terms, and under communism, the state owns all the economic apparatuses. Other than that, everything else is exactly the same. They are both socialist systems, both have exactly the same way of disposing of their opponents and other enemies of the state. However, it is Communism, that by far, has the highest body count and has wreaked the greatest amount of death and carnage in history, and continues to do so, while a whole new generation of ignorant children with no life experience and schooled by ideologues in our schools have somehow been made to believe communism is such a wonderful system. My parents lived under both and escaped them. They said under both, people died or were imprisoned en masse. If anyone believes there is any other differences between these systems, read a book.
And under Capitalism bankers and corporations get to loot the nation. Fascism stopped the global parasites
I think folks would understand this better if they learn that Mussolini was once a key figure in the Italian Socialist Party and that he wrote for its newspaper, and that he was even his Chief editor for a while.
Says the delusional Republicans 🙄.
I prefer Nancy and her very witty books.
04:20 Isn't everyone who ever lived born before, during or after the first world war? Quite literally everyone?
A pal of mine who is a member of the Guinness family tells me they were his great Aunts. A cousin of his father was Tara Brown, killed in a Lotus Elan in London - subject of the song lines 'he blew his mind out in a car' in the Lennon-McCartney song "A day in the life'. This chap is a 'remittance man' who never worked a day in his life. Unfortunately he was born out of wedlock so the remittence is quite small, ha ha.