Is grammar really that important in Russian? Interview with Steve Kaufmann - Part 1
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- Опубликовано: 14 ноя 2024
- Привет, друзья! In this video, I am talking to Steve Kaufmann, a famous polyglot. You will learn more about Steve and find out if he ever mixes up the languages that he speaks :) Most importantly, we will also discuss if the grammar is really that necessary when it comes to learning Russian. Russian and English CC available!
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Anna, I very much enjoyed our conversation. I always enjoy speaking Russian, listening to Russian, trying to express my thoughts in Russian, even though I do so with mistakes. If I have more opportunity to speak Russian, and to interact with people in Russian, I will have the opportunity to focus on the mistakes I make, and will undoubtedly develop better language habits. I know from experience that looking at the declension tables and reading grammar rules doesn't prevent my accuracy in the language from declining if I don't use it. I enjoy exploring languages and therefore I don't linger long enough with any language to develop the skill level that I would like to have. Obviously the languages that I have spoken the most, are also the languages that I speak the best. These two are French and Japanese, which are the only languages where I have lived in the country where the language is spoken. To me, the purpose of language learning is enjoyment, discovery and comprehension. As the opportunity to use the language, to speak with people, increases, inevitably, if we are paying attention, our accuracy in the language also improves. It has been my experience that with languages that I have not spoken enough, absence from using it means declining accuracy. None of this prevents me from enjoying the exploration of languages. None of of this prevents me from availing myself of every opportunity to use the language, even though I know I will make mistakes, as in this delightful interview with Anna. But, to avoid the inevitable mistakes that would occur if I were to make this comment in Russian, I have decided to leave this comment in English. Best of luck to all learners of Russian, and those who have Anna as a tutor, are already lucky.
Steve, thank you very much for finding time to answer my questions! It has been a pleasure finding out more about you and your approach to language learning. Your Russian is wonderful, and those very few mistakes you made during our conversation did not prevent me from understanding you or enjoying our discussion whatsoever!
You are absolutely right in saying that if a person has an opportunity to use a language, it helps to improve it and develop better language habits. I have experienced it myself with Spanish. And while I, personally, am passionate about grammar and rely on it a lot when I teach Russian, I do agree that grammar alone will not help a person speak fluently, and a student must listen as much as he/she can to be able to understand and learn as much vocabulary as possible. I do believe that LingQ is a valuable tool for it.
Also, as you pointed out, the purpose of learning matters and the fear of not using grammar rules correctly should in no way prevent a person from enjoying speaking with people, learning about cultures, etc. It seems to me that in the end, we all speak about pretty much the same thing, just from slightly different angles. All components of language are important. It's just that each of us needs to find a method that works for him/her.
You are doing a wonderful thing helping so many people believe in themselves, learn languages, and discover cultures. Many wouldn't have done it without your example and technique.
I hope our viewers will enjoy the upcoming second part of the interview as much as they have enjoyed the first one. Еще раз большое вам спасибо!
@@AnnaCherRussianfromtheHeart
I understand 6 foreign languages : English, German, French, Arabic, Russian, and Mandarin with different levels of abilities.
I speak German pretty well, and been to Munich to learn German.
It was long time ago that I reached B2 level, nearly C1.
But it seems that my German deteriorates.
I also learned French and Russian, but I don't speak those languages very well like my German, and of course, my fluent English.
I'm a 50 year-old Indonesian.
Now I'm learning Mandarin, and I believe my Mandarin reached A2 or B1 level, because I got Hsk-3 in October 2019.
The problem is maintaining the ability.
Once you get the B level, you start to be fed up with the language you have learned, unless you have a very high motivation and specific purpose to learn the language.
And after that the next question is whether you can maintain the level that has been attained.
I reached B2 or even almost C1 in German long time ago, but now it seems that I can only answer relatively correct the B1 level.
My German deteriorates.
Language is a matter of habits and habitation....
I learned Russian 2000 - 2002 in the Russian cultural center in Jakarta.
I tried to read Dostoyevski and Chekov in their original language with a dictionary next to me.
I give up....
I didn't finish Chekov novel though I had made a photocopy of it.
Russian is such a difficult language.
1. the cases / padzesh
2. the verbal aspects : perfective-inperfective
3. the verb conjugation.
I like to learn foreign languages.
I speak German and got Mittelstuffe-1 Zertifikat, which is equal to B2.
But now I can only answer B1 questions satisfactorily.
My German deteriorates.
Now I'm learning Chinese.
I got Hsk-3 in October 2019.
However, I still speak German better than Chinese and Russian though I don't use it anymore....
My Chinese and Russian are more or less the same.
I read Russian articles better than Chinese, but I listen to Chinese conversations better than Russian.
It's easier to read Russian compared to Chinese.
I am impressed. Almost all of the "Polyglots" rarely speak anything more than A1 or A2 in 20 languages.
Nice job, Steve !!
I have been studying Russian since the start of the pandemic. I speak English native and I am fluent in Spanish and strong in French and I will say that with Russian he is 100% correct. The grammar is so complicated that I almost gave up at the beginning because I was obsessing over the Grammar.
Then I watched this RUclipsr who suggested not worrying about it for a while and I started really watching and listening, turning off subtitles and listening, trying to find russian alphabet only subtitles and that is when I started making real progress and then refocused on grammar.
I honestly would have quit if I didn't temporarily take a pause on grammar.
BTW - I understand for example a very large portion of both of you in this video covering up the subtitles.
There are many ways to get to the top of the mountain, and you can't tell absolutely everyone " just do it this way." There is a solution to the problem from the opposite. If you read kilometers of text in Russian, the grammar, the construction of phrases will be grasped by the brain automatically and settle in memory.From a certain length of study, a good advice is to read a book and listen to the same audiobook at the same time.
I can see where you are coming from. I too have learned some Russian words and phrases from watching videos. However, what I acquire isn't sufficient for understanding. I get frustrated at not understanding, and therefore want to learn the grammar.
@@Musicienne-DAB1995
Guten Tag.
Ich verstehe Deutsch noch besser als Russisch...
Ich bin auch schon in Munich gewesen um Deutsch zu lernen.
Es war schon lange Zeit vorbei.
Damals war dein Kanzler Helmut Kohl...
Frankreiche President war Jacques Chirac.
Als ich in Deutscland war, verkaufte ich ein russische Grammatikbuch.
Ich bin jetzt 50 Jahre alt.
Danke...
Hi, I'm a 50 year-old Indonesian.
I learned Russian 2000 - 2002 in the Russian cultural center in Jakarta.
I tried to read Dostoyevski and Chekov in their original language with a dictionary next to me.
I give up....
I didn't finish Chekov novel though I had made a photocopy of it.
Russian is such a difficult language.
1. the cases / padzesh
2. the verbal aspects : perfective-inperfective
3. the verb conjugation.
I like to learn foreign languages.
I speak German and got Mittelstuffe-1 Zertifikat, which is equal to B2.
But now I can only answer B1 questions satisfactorily.
My German deteriorates.
Now I'm learning Chinese.
I got Hsk-3 in October 2019.
However, I still speak German better than Chinese and Russian though I don't use it anymore....
My Chinese and Russian are more or less the same.
I read Russian articles better than Chinese, but I listen to Chinese conversations better than Russian.
It's easier to read Russian compared to Chinese.
@@ayi3455 Danke für Ihr Kommentar. Ich verstehe auch Deutsch noch besser als Russisch, obwohl meine Mutterpsrache Englisch ist! Ich wünsche, dass ich in der Zukunft nach Deutschland fahren kann, weil es ein so faszinierendes Land ist. Ich interessiere mich für das Mittelhochdeutsche und für Johann Sebastian Bach. Es wäre toll, wenn ich die Strasse entlang wanderte, wo Bach sich selbst wanderte! Mir gefällt die deutschsprachigen Grammatikbücher. So gründlich sind sie. Ich möchte sie von Langenscheidt oder von Duden kaufen. Ich wünsche Ihnen viel Spass beim Sprachlernen!
Crazy I understood 60% to 70% of this. My comprehension is improving 😁. I remember watching this understanding nothing a while back.
yea. i was at nothing last year now i can follow about 60% of what he says and about 40% of what she says. he speaks much more simply than she does.
Wow I hope to soon get to that level.
Это очень круто! Так держать бро!
Steve used to speak russian a little better than that, but he still amaze me and you Anna thank you very much.
Спасибо, что посмотрели наше видео!
Wow. I swear I was thinking about your videos today, and just like that you posted one,
Спасибо за видео
Я очень рада, что вам понравилось :)
I have wanted to learn Russian for over 10 years, and from the beginning, I knew it would be grammar, grammar, grammar. Now, having said that, I have benefitted enormously from listening to Russian choral music, where I have learned many words in Church Slavonic, which are similar or the same in Russian. I also regularly watch some videos on RUclips, and scroll through the comments to see whether I can pick up easy phrases.
However, neither of these methods have produced anything more than useful words and phrases. It is clear to me that I will not learn how to speak, read, and write Russian properly without serious grammar. In my experience, drilling the rules inside my head makes acquisition much easier later on, because I use the rules to decode what I have acquired. It is also easier to deduce unknown phrases. This has worked for me in French and German.
Also, I learn 2+ languages at a time, and I find that being strong in grammar allows me to transition into another language. So even though I cannot speak Russian, I understand how at least 4 cases work, because of German. I also have learned the 1st conjugation for several verbs in the Present and Past tense, which means that even with English subtitles, I can still pick out what is said by the Russian speaker.
Acquiring is important, and I have definitely been guilty of focusing too much on books and "perfection", rather than practice. However, I do not believe that acquisition can stand alone. For me, it must be reinforced and even provoked by learning.
Can you give me recommendations for RUclips channels for the Russian language? , I want to learn Russian but I find it difficult for me to understand a single word or try to pronounce it but I try to watch RUclips videos and some Russian cartoons as well as movies and podcasts , By the way I'm a beginner .
7:05 Rodzi.. Familia.. Семья! Love that reaction from Steve! I love how natural it's for him and how nervous we get sometimes when can't find words for no reason. This is a truly lesson of how speaking a foreign language should be.. enjoy, don't get stressed about dates, exams or feel embarrased :D Спасибо за видео
i think I can hear a german "warte mal" (wait a bit) from the word salad there.. we often say it in situations like that.
Dear lovely anna,keep uploading such videos,we all love you ♥️🙏
Большое спасибо вам :)
Отличное интервью! Большое вам спасибо!
Стив, я впечатлена! Анна - замечательное интервью! Браво!
Учитывая его окружение и возможности он отлично говорит на великом и могучем.👍
Steve, you speak beautifully! The biggest mistake foreign parents make is to speak English when emigrating to an English-speaking country. We arrived in South Africa when I was 5, my three siblings were up to 9 years older. On arrival my father wanted us to speak English at home, but my mother insisted German be spoken, I'm eternally thankful she did. I'm fluent in German, English (I'm able to express myself better in English), Afrikaans; understand Swiss German and Dutch and have a rudimentary knowledge of Hindi, which I studied in 2004 (including the Devanagari script). With my son I only spoke German, but he lost it after his mother and I split. My brother emigrated to the UK and even though married to a German wife, both decided to speak English at home, "because they were in an English-speaking country", sadly depriving the children of a second European language. I'm currently learning Russian after being fascinated by the Russian show удивительные люди earlier this year, it's an interesting and enjoyable challenge.
Не знал, что Стив родился в Швеции:)) Отличный диалог)
Да, я тоже удивилась :) Спасибо!
I had two failed attempts to learn Russian a couple years back. Everything destroyed me-- cyrillic, pronounciation, grammar, spelling....
BUT !!!
In the beginning of this month during covid isolation I took a different approach; Sat down and learned vocabulary, 100 words per day for a week. Now I understand SO MUCH STUFF!!! I got a solid grip into the language and it's super exciting! In my former attempts I'd try to learn cyrillic by itself... Now I simply studied words in their full written form (including audio), and I immediately recognize them in usage. I'd never dreamed to make this progress in a few weeks, Steve's method really works. imho
a year later, have you made more progress in russian?
Он молодец. Передавайте от меня привет. Привет из Кыргызстана 🇰🇬
Орусча үйрөнүп атасыңбы тууган?
Great video! Я Американец и я изучаю русский 1 год. I follow both of your pages. And what a nice surprise it was to see the 2 of you together! Класс 👍🏾!
You should do an interview with polyglot Luca Lampirella. He speaks Russian also and has videos here on RUclips
Большое спасибо за совет! И я очень рада, что видео вам понравилось :)
Какая Удача! Я недавно нашел ваша канал, и я был смотрел при последние наделю. сейчас вы снять видео с моим любимым американ полиглот, Стив. Спасибо вам большое за ваша интересный и понятный контент
Большое спасибо! Я очень рада, что вам нравятся мои видео.
My mother and sister were born in Russia and speak it fluently and my babushka still lives in Moscow but I am trying to learn it right now. I currently only speak English and can understand Spanish slightly but I’m taking it one teaspoon at a time .
I listened to the entire conversation in Russian. My language background comes from Canada, where my first schooling was in French, then to English, but in order to go to university Latin was included. So once I left school my majors were Russian for 5 years, Spanish for 4 for years, plus music. Also Italian, more French, and English. Moving countries I studied Swedish for 2 years, Polish 2 years, Magyar (Hungarian) for 3 years and still today, German for several years, looked at Dutch, Africans, studied Japanese for 6 years. Now tackling Mandarin. In addition to my Russian major I read the Ukrainian, Bulgarian, and other Slavic tongues. With Spanish, Portuguese and Romanian are fairly easy. Already I have lived with a Spanish family for 26 years. It rattles every day in my head. Sometimes How did I find studying such a group of odd languages. It all started from my passion of singing opera and foreign songs. Singing helped me tremendously with sounds and vocabulary. When I sang I wanted to genuinely sing with the rich cultural background. I even performed in Russia many decades ago and had 5 encores. The thrill was amazing. Besides vocalising my expressions my fingers do likewise on the piano or organ.
A very interesting interview and useful content I learned a lot of new useful words. Thank you very much
Я очень рада слышать, что вам понравилось!
I dream to be that good at Russian....Steve did great!
Да, Стив очень хорошо говорит по-русски.
Учите язык. Почаще слушайте и читайте
Какой у него потрясающий акцент !
Да, Стив замечательно говорит.
I haven't gone deep into studying Russian, and I've not looked at the language in two months. I'm fascinated at how much I've retained, and understood without the captions! he hit a strong point at the end "process of learning and forgetting over again"
So from what I can understand from Steve, a teacher should teach proper grammar rules from the beginning. However, a student should try their best to understand them *without* getting to the point of stressing themselves, or burning themselves out over it. As this prevents them from moving on into the language and slows down their skill to eventually communicate in such language.
That is my interpretation so far, after watching this video, and several others from Steve. First goal is to be able to communicate, then perfecting the grammar comes later when working towards refinement of the language. A slower process which progresses at the pace of the learner.
Anyways lovely conversation!
The interviewer is excellent, very smart questions. Congrats!
It's fun to discuss and debate methods for learning. I love that Steve said: Вопрос как, насколько вы можете наслаждаться [ изучать языки ]? I do find that after an eight week course in Russian grammar at a university, Russian is far more accessible. But, I had the benefit of first learning a lot of Russian before I learned a lot of grammar.
I found it refreshing that someone actually states that becoming aware of grammar features early on is very important (thank you, Anna Cher). No matter how much I listened to Spanish, I didn't learn anything until someone explained that all the nouns have a gender--something I would never have imagined since it seems totally illogical to my English mind to think "table" can have a gender. Grammar is SUPER important to be made aware of early on.
I think that's a key point and distinction: It's critical to *be aware* of the grammar features early on, but not to try drilling them. Most languages are simply too illogical and messy to be able to benefit from grammar drills. We need to be aware of the grammar concepts, then see tons of examples in context.
honestly i like it when it rambles.. it reminds me so much of myself when i speak russian!! Goes to show that, this is the key. talk talk talk, show no shame to speaking new languages. embrace every aspect of it.
Thank you Anna.
Анна...я из Индии.. всегда смотрю ваше видео.. очень понравлюсь...и тоже вы выглядите прекрасно...
На мой взгляд, грамматика важна для всех языков!
chinese languages can disagree
😳😁👍
@@sodinc
我也说汉语一点儿.
In my opinion, European languages like English, Russian, German etc. are rational-logical languages.
The grammar is logic.
On the contrary, Chinese is an intuitive language.
I myself often use English point of view to speak Chinese, and it is not correct.
It is like using wrong cases and conjugation to speak Russian...
@@ayi3455 maybe. But for me strict word order seems to be more logic-demanding, because with all grammatic apparatus you can bend words in process without thinking forward.
@@sodinc
Yeah.
Chinese strict word order.
Maybe it's part of grammatical pattern.
For example when denoting time, from bigger to smaller, from more general to more specific.
2021year, 2 month (February), 14 date, afternoon, 5 o'clock....
Germany, Munich, Marienplatz, EF-international Sprachschule, Klass 4D.
Супер видео !спасибо👏
Молодец Анна!. Это интервью просто огонь 🔥😎
Спасибо, я рада, что вам было интересно!
Anna! Me ha gustado mucho la entrevista con Steve Kaufmann, el es un poliglota, habla varias lenguas, y me gusto como se expreso en ruso, saludos
Grammar matters. Otherwise, you end up stumbling over every simple sentence and make it impossible or very tedious for your listeners to understand what you are saying. Of course, explicit teaching of grammar leaves a lot to be desired, but everyone I've heard who speaks a language competently with decent fluency acknowledges that form (grammar) matters.
I couldn’t have said it better myself 👍🏻
Грамматика нужна, но не нужно её переоценивать. Когда я начинал изучать английский, то первые несколько месяцев я посвятил грамматике. По итогу, я грамматику знал, но не мог ни слова сказать, ни слова понять, ни слова написать. В испанском у меня подход другой.
I think the million dollar question is not whether grammar is important or not -- it obvisously is -- but rather how grammar should be learned. What would you suggest? I have tried doing grammar exercises, memorizing entire texts, writing and correcting according to feedback from native speakers, reading about the rules of the langauge, etc. Maybe the problem is with me, but all of the above seemed to help my speaking skills very little. Reading and listening are easy and pleasant for me, but how do I improve my productive skills?
@@yairharris5864 grammar can be acquired subconsciously, or rather "a feel for correctness". We develop this by receiving comprehensible input abundantly by reading and listening. We need to improve first our comprhension skills so we can be given the chance to spend a lot of time reading and listening to content that we have chosen to read or listen (not in order to learn the langauge) but because it simply is very interesting or enjoyable to us. When the input is compelling we temporarily forget that it is in another language. Stephen Krashen says that's when acquisition happens most efficiently.
Nah. Focusing on too much grammar will make you use awkward and unnatural sentences even if the grammar rules are correct. Reading and listening, which is basically input, is far superior and the science backs it up.
It is not too hard to focus on any one language, when reading it, when studying it. But speaking it is quite another matter for polyglots. I have often slipped up, inserting the wrong word into the wrong language when speaking to people who ended up bewildered.
Others have done this in front of me, especially a teacher of Spanish, but speaking in Esperanto at an Esperanto meeting. Spanish nouns often end with the letter 'o', the same as Italian. But all nouns in Esperanto end in 'o'. There is no gender for inanimate nouns. Esperanto gender is only for people plus all other living creatures. The Esperanto audience also spoke both languages and so they burst out in laughter. at this flub in her speech.
It's somewhat similar to english loanwords in japanese where words ending with "t" automatically adds that "o" fron the syllable と/ト
I almost died from laugher when I first heard "Engine boost" being "Enjin busto!" (エンジンブースト！)
When I speak Italian I often use Russian words in the middle 😅
If you want to speak a language properly you can't miss grammar. Everything depends on your effort and stamina. Surely on a good language book, too. I love those ones with short dialogues from everyday life. After memorizing them you put the pahrases into context.
If you have a pre- intermediate level the best way is to go to the country or simply meet native speakers.
Я практически хорошо владею русским языком, стараюсь не допустить грамматические ошибки. Но лексика как я заметил очень изменилась. Много американских слов вторглось в русский несмотря на то что есть подходящее русское слово.
Я начал изучать русский в 10 лет но нужно знать что русский был обязательным предметом для весех школьников при социализме. Но я влюбился в язык и стал учителем русского языка в 1982-ом году. Я часто побывал в СССР.
Как я изучал английский и стал учителем английского языка вот это уже другая прелесть жнизни.
Причём вы оба симпатичны и спасибо за интервью.
By the way I did not want to put the dog. Love me and my dog.
Thank you.
You are amazing...albo.... jestes niesamowity...uzywam LINGQ za jezyk polskiego...z mnostwo sukces...dziekuje bardzo...
Thanks for interesting and motivating video .
какое замечательное интервью, спасибо за этот контент
Спасибо, что посмотрели!
Very interesting. I have been trying to learn a couple of languages without learning their grammar. I used an online learning system named after a certain stone (despite my scepticism) to get started with Spanish and Polish. Now I mainly listen and read a half an hour to an hour a day. (when I am not listening to Russian or Serbian youtube videos for kicks and loughs).
Clearly, I am not (real surviving person) fluent in either Spanish or Polish, but I understand normal speech (movies, videos, conversations) and can read the news etc. However, I have academic and multilingual background. (not a polyglot or 'talented' person, just lived a few places where different languages are spoken)
My point is, that although I was pleasantly surprised at how liberating it was not to learn any grammar and let things just jell on their own ... natural acquisition, my understanding of linguistic and my existing language learning helped a great deal. That leads me to believe that exposure and transferrable skills greatly skew any generic discussion on the topic and any generic statements on it.
Стив все правильно говорит. Я с ним полностью согласна. Спасибо за такое интересное интервью. 🌷
I totally agree with him. Today after many hours of watching Russian movies I understand much better and easily the Russian grammar. Much more easily I learn verbs and tenses
Very patient listening expression.
спасибо Стив и Анна. я решил снова начать учить испанский)
Спасибо ❤🙆
While one should not worry so much about the grammar so that one is inhibited from using the language, Russian is too complex to learn without some attention to it.
Абсолютно согласна с вами 👍🏻
Но, это сложно, если вы знаете достаточно, чтобы знать что не знаете.
Every language.
Какой он красавчик! Столько языков знает и продолжает изучать в своём возрасте!! Я восхищён им! Видно же, что владеет русским языком (хоть и приходится вспоминать слова, падежи и есть акцент). Умница!
Русский у него уровня Β1, что тоже неплохо
@@Kinotaurus как минимум B2. Произношение немного хромает - да. Но в целом он языком владеет очень уверенно.
Anyone here knows Bald and bankrupt? I think he didn't quite enjoy learning the grammar and in one of his videos he explained why ;-)
Спасибо вам Анна. Это интервью увеличил мой само уверенность потому что у меня русский язык очень похож его. Грамматику знаю но обычно делаю ошибку. Но любовь языка без границ. 😍
Вы любите язык безгранично? Это круто.
А вы откуда?
@@erturtemirbaev5207 здравствуйте. Я из Индии
Он хорошо говорит по русски язык. Я сам изучаю русский язык послдении два года просто смотрю русский видео на ютубе и я никогда не смотрел русский книга. Мне кажется, ваш гости хорошо знаю русский язык чем я. Большое спасибо вам за видео. Афтаб Сарвар из Пакистана.
Спасибо, что посмотрели! Удачи в изучении русского!
@@AnnaCherRussianfromtheHeart Большое спасибо вам.🙂🙂
Побольше читайте на русском. Привет из Кыргызстана 🇰🇬
@@erturtemirbaev5207 Привет из Пакистана. Мой ватсапп номер +92 344 704 8384.
maybe some of you think that Stephen Kaufmann should study more grammar because he makes some mistakes and speaks with certain hesitation. Oh my god. have you heard students who are learning Russian focusing on grammar? They generally make MANY more mistakes, and have much less confidence than Steve. So in my opinion Steve is doing a good job about proving what he is saying, proving that he's right and studying grammar is not so important.
Interesting video
Thank you 🌹
This is great and inspiring too; he started learning Russian at age 60. Anna- does this interview cause you to change anything about the way you teach the Russian language?
Mark, I absolutely agree with Steve that listening and reading as much as one can are essential when learning a language. But I still firmly believe that grammar is as essential :) What's more, I firmly believe that one can't speak Russian fluently without learning grammar, and I don't think it's that easy to figure out the meanings of, say, cases, on your own, by pure reading/listening. Grammar alone does not help but all other things without grammar won't lead to the results one expects.
But, of course, the first thing we need to ask is what does "to learn a language" mean for a particular student. There is a huge difference between being able to get by during one's vacation in a country and discussing politics or science in a foreign language, or even just holding a proper conversation.
@@AnnaCherRussianfromtheHeart Yes, makes perfect sense, thanks Anna.
10:09 "Когда я начал изучить русский язык, Мне было 60 лет - 15 лет назад" I was able to hear and understand what Mr.Kaufmann said in Russian. I have a huge respect to him. He also speaks Japanese! я? я начал учить русский язык, Мне было 54 лет. Not an easy task. My motivation is gardening at dacha (and maybe women :). Science has revealed that Memory is strengthened when we try to remember something missing.
I think he describes the way any child learns its native language. Listen, learn crude vocabulary, refine grammar. Too many courses impede learning by insisting on grammatical rules, it we did that to a child "Do not speak unless you speak correctly" no children would ever speak.
A child's thinking process is somewhat different from that of an adult. A child can only learn inductively, because they cannot comprehend complex patterns. They need a thousand examples before they get the rule and the thousand and first example right. Say you're 3. So you've spent 3 years completely immersed, and you speak...at the level of a 3 year old? Is that what you want?
An adult can grasp complex patterns and learn deductively, we tell you a general rule and train you to use it, and then you can apply it to thousands of individual sentences. This is by far more efficient and appropriate for an adult's processing capacity. Within 3 years, depending on amount of work and the nature of the language, you can get as far as C1.
The fact that so many people are too lazy and undisciplined to practise grammar is an issue separate from whether or not grammar should be taught.
@@MurasakiMonogatari I completely agree. In my case, I have been watching Russian videos quite regularly for over 7 months, and apart from picking up phrases and words, I cannot hold a conversation in Russian. I know why. While acquiring, I am understanding the spoken language. However, I cannot produce it, because I do not know enough of the grammatical rules. Once I learn to conjugate in the Present Tense, I will be able to say more things accurately. Likewise, once I learn declensions, I will be able to decode what I am hearing. For me, learning always has the edge over acquisition, even though both are important.
@@MurasakiMonogatari I definitely disagree with your premise and all your conclusions, kind of make up your own argument and then answer it yourself...handy. As far as patterns go...LOL, you're kidding right? I have studied, Latin, French, Spanish and Russian...are there exceptions to the "patterns"? Hmmm. Are there idioms? How about colloquialisms? Oh and what about truncating words which are easily understood by natives but totally confusing to new learners. And as far as your analysis of how children learn, LOL, sounds like someone sold you the Brooklyn bridge...that sure is a shiny degree you got there, darlin' (is that English?), {Is it endearing?, Intimate? Familiar?) A native Texan knows, look it up in one of your pattern books...As far as adults grasping complex patterns, you seem to then contradict that premise by saying they are too lazy and undisciplined? Confused? I think you should go back to University....things are so perfect there...LOL
only after learning 6 languages I realized how insanely hard Russian is
Languages are the golden keys to rich culture. To master the language to a higher level one, I am sorry, must acquire grammar. When it came to vocabulary,in could look at it at night, the next morning rattle it right off my head. Some people are talent, others apply more hours.
Again this interview seems to prove that cases in general are the most difficult aspect of certain languages in general. I find the same problem in German. I've learned/acquired the verb forms pretty well, though still struggling with the cases. And the same is the case of Steve. Most of his mistakes are in the cases, like 90 %, while the mistakes in verbal forms and others are just minimal. Strangely enough, I am not aware of the same issue in my Russian (not to that extent), probably because my first language is Czech and the cases are very similar, although the Russian cases should generally be more difficult than the German cases. There is just a more familiar feel to the Russian ones and therefore they are easier to replicate for me.
Γειά σου Αννα μου!
Очень интересно твой урок!!
Я разговаривала с русской женщиной которая очень хорошо говорит по-гречески.
Но я наконец выяснила что она не знала грамматики.
Простой пример она не знала что город по-гречески- женский род. И мне это показалось странным. Конечно для нее вопрос выживания говорит
По- гречески.
Ultimatly motivation determines how we will learn a language.
My personal opinion " the treasure of a language is in grammar "
Πολλά φιλιά από την Κύπρο.🌷⚘
Спасибо за ваш комментарий! Я абсолютно согласна, что наши цель и мотивация определяют, насколько важны нам определенные вещи в языке. Общаться можно, даже не зная каких-то грамматических правил, но все-таки есть разница между "просто общаться" и "говорить на языке правильно".
Здравствуйте, Анна. I liked this video so much. You asked him “Вас они не учили этим языкам?” The word ‘язык’ (языкам) is in the Dative Case? If so, then ‘вас’ is Accusative?? Thank you.
Misael, да, всё верно: 'языкам' - dative, 'вас' - accusative. The verb учить is followed by dative when it has the meaning "to teach smh": учить кого-то (acc) русскому (dat), учить этикету и т.д.
Огромное спасибо!
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Я стал учить русский язык со сказкой три медведя Толстого...я написал самого начала на всех времён а изучал как идёт речь..И так понял что такое этот язык..до сих пор было непонятно для меня потому что я учел совсем одинокий...посоветую
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As an adult trying to learn a language, most of the times we are thrown into the grammar, as when we are young children all the focus is understanding automatically, then speaking and lastly learning to read and write. Now, that is tough to do as an adult, to just listen to the language without translation most of the time. We just want to speak it from the first day 😂.
А что ты думаешь Анна, что важнее для изучения языков: талант или мотивация?
Я думаю, что, конечно, мотивация. Если человек чего-то хочет и знает, зачем ему это нужно, он может свернуть горы!
Наблюдение за Кауфманном вдохновляет меня продолжать учить русский язык. Даже несмотря на то, что он считается «вражеским» языком в Великобритании. Англичане раньше так думали о немецком и до сих пор шутят по этому поводу. Люди везде люди. Мы не выбираем, где родиться.
Ты пишешь хорошо
Ya vas ponyila = hard on the ear but I caught the point. I hear that all the time
Steve is amazing in Russian and many other languages. But HOW will I be able to find out the answer if I don't know how to turn on captions.
спасибо большое за урок.
Спасибо, что смотрите!
Excuse me, but you are very beautiful!!
@@marcusferreira2561 спасибо за комплимент!
Он прав сто раз - сначала надо слушать и говорить, а потом уже грамматика!
Поняла это на опыте. Уже много лет пытаюсь выучить английский.
Но только когда поехала на Мальту, в языковую школу, только там у меня произошёл большой прорыв в понимании на слух! Потому что всё общение было только по английски!
Конечно, очень важно слушать и говорить, одной грамматикой сыт не будешь. И в английском, в частности, это работает, ввиду, мне кажется, их прямого порядка слов и отсутствия падежных окончаний. Хотя, на мой взгляд, конечно, есть разница между "говорить на языке" и "говорить на языке правильно/грамотно". В Нью-Йорке, например, очень много иностранцев, которые достаточно бегло говорят на английском, но при этом делают достаточно большое количество грамматических ошибок. Это не мешает общаться и жить, но в деловой переписке, скажем, стало бы досадным препятствием. Всё зависит от цели, которую человек ставит, от того, для чего ему язык.
В случае с русским языком, если человек не знает самой базовой грамматики, например, падежей, то предложение, в котором будет больше 3х существительных понять может быть очень затруднительно. Понять, как использовать падежи, только слушая и читая, на мой взгляд, достаточно сложно. Да и нужно ли изобретать колесо.
@@AnnaCherRussianfromtheHeart Да я и не спорю, что грамматика важна, но только надо человеку понимать, для чего ему язык необходим . И зачастую слишком большой объём грамматики на начальном этапе только тормозит изучение и создаёт ненужные препятствия!
Вообще я поняла что язык - это в первую очередь психология каждого конкретного человека! Кому-то просто и легко общаться с иностранцами с минимальным набором фраз ,
А кому-то и на родном языке сложно начать разговор только потому что он не уверен в себе...
Согласен со Стивом, первое время нужно просто много слушать и запоминать языковые конструкции. Просто запоминать (записывать). Чтобы была какая то почва. И только на этой почве браться за грамматику, чтобы понять как эти конструкции строить. Иначе всё превратится в унылую школярскую рутину, за которую топят преподаватели-грамматофилы. Жы\Шы пишы с Ы. Иностранец поначалу не в курсе, как эти буквы выглядят. Чтобы браться за алгебру, нужно хотя бы минимально освоить арифметику. Не зря человек 20тью языками владеет, пусть и не идеально.
помоему, без никакого знания о граматике мы можем понимать язык но мы не можем разговаривать или обшаться с людьми.. я предпочитаю с начала изучать граматику.. я тоже полиглот.. и я тоже слишком долго времени не говорила по русски.. так извините меня если я ошиблась..
I can speak German like he speaks Russian.
I had Mittelstuffe-1 Zertifikat long time ago, equals to B2.
I had lots of opportunities to speak German.
I learned French and Russian, too...
but I don't speak those 2 languages very well.
Steve speaks Russian still better than me.
I can understand what he's talking about, but I can't speak Russian pretty well like him...
as for Anna herself, I understand her
a little...
I wouldn't say that Steve's Russia is B2 - maybe at best a low B2 / high B1. Still very impressive.
@@Kinotaurus
yes ..
grammar will improve your editing skills in situations where you have time to read what you just wrote and you can correct or improve it. When you can or you have to focus on form. But when we are having a real conversation, the focus is generally on meaning, communication, and we don't have time to think about all the rules with all the exceptions. Explicit study of grammar won't give you fluency and confidence of speaking. I'd rather acquire a "feel for correctness" (which as a matter of fact we can acquire only in a subconscious way by receiving massive amounts of comprehensible input) than explicit knowledge about the language the way students learn in a traditional Russian course which is so heavily grammar-centered.
Steve is a great poliglot, he learned a lot of languages. But I do not agree how he approaches with the russian language. On my opinion and experience, if you really want to learn russian, you MUST give the necessary attention to grammar. Да, знаю, это скучно. But безусловно you’ll read better, and communicate better. Specially if you want to read books or talk about complex topics. Your speech will be more likely to have less of these “aaaahh.. Ehhh.. ummm...”. Studying russian grammar will not kill anyone, and it’s necessary because of its complexity: something new to english, spanish, portuguese speakers and others.
We have to keep in mind that poliglots like Steve do not want to speak a specific language as close as a native speaker. The goal here is to have basic conversations and read basic stuff on a lot of languages. I’m not saying that he’s wrong or anything like that. I’m just pointing out his goal, that is a lot different than learning russian for real. This is easy to check: just take a look that he’s not fluent and is not able to communicate 100% free. Again: I am not saying that he’s wrong doing that. But if someone really wants to learn russian, and if that’s the main goal other than speaking a lot of languages on a basic level, you just can’t discard russian grammar like this.
Я думал, что только я - самый ленивый ученик в мире. Я ведь тоже никогда не любил грамматику. Больше люблю говорить и слушать. Ура, я - не один!!! :))))) Правда, я говорю, к сожалению, только на 5 языках )))
Я был в пелёнках, а моя лень была уже размером с телёнка. - есть примерно такая пословица.😃
@@SpankyHam наверно, так и есть. Тогда для противовеса нужна мотивированность :-)
Супер!
Это моё личное мнение, но, к сожалению, через некоторое время собеседник устаёт слушать меня, если я говорю с большим количеством ошибок. Я сам иммигрант в Австралии и английский мой третий язык. То есть, если я говорю на английском с многими ошибками и люди меня не понимают, они просто перестанут меня слушать.
Comprehensible input рулит. Грамматику совсем не учу и очень рад:)
I agree with him that too much grammar at the beginning, and you kill any ability to speak a language. You have to get communicating back and forth fast. Simple sentences... question, answer, response. And do it almost without thinking. Then, maybe learn past and future simple... question, answer, response. That's how children learn. Most Russian teachers dump way, way too much grammar before the student has a hang of simple conversations and those students go nowhere. Especially for English speakers, we don't learn language using all these tenses, so when Russian teachers go over 6 different tenses, the student will just stop communicating. When you stop communicating, you learn nothing.
Грамматику из книжных правил, структур и формул нужно максимально переводить в форму своих собственных примеров.И повторять повторять повторять их пока не придёт "чувство" языка в этой структуре/конструкции/форме.Ведь носители языка взрослые уже не помнят почти ни одно правило - но они "чувствуют" как сказать правильно.Так и с изучающими язык как иностранный - только в меньшем масштабе происходит.Держа в голове 100500 правил грамматики говорить на языке - значит говорить невероятно медленно, как медленный компьютер который пытается обработать супер задачу, со скрипом и тормозами.Это неэффективно.
Вы очень правильно заметили про свои собственные примеры и многократное повторение. Я абсолютно согласна 👍🏻 Беглость в языке - это опыт.
What did u say in russian hello people how it was?
Удивительно как он может так свободно говорить на русском. Кроме того, он не боится ошибок, их всё-таки много. В моем случае, я бы не осмелился говорить по-русски без правильной грамматики. Думаю, что я ошибаюсь...
Просто, Впервый, , как ребёнки, нам надо знать немношко об обшенние и о языке. Потом когда у нас есть запас словары надо узнать о грамматике.
сколько зим сколько лет! я скучаю по тебе много Дорогая Анна.
Да, русская грамматика сложная. Наверно, все согласны об этом. Когда учился на подфаке, я тоже думал как он думал, что самое главное - говорение. А сейчас, перед окончанием магистратуры РКИ, я передумал, что русская грамматика важная. Без её, к сожалению, не будем понимать о чём идёт речь. Окей, русскоязычные будут понимать, что мы (иностранцы) хотим сказать, как Анна могла понять о чём Стеве говорил. Но, когда хотели бы понять русскую литературу или науку, нам обязательно надо изучить грамматика. Без её, невозможно.
"Сяпали Калуша с Помиком по напушке и увазили Ляпупу. А Ляпупа трямкала Бутявку." Отрывок из детского произведения Людмилы Петрушевской. Так имеет ли значение грамматика? Однозначно
Есть писатели которые стараются писать так чтобы донести какую-то "мысль", а есть те кто выдают свое невежество за гениальность... думаю это именно тот случай
"Глокая Куздра будланула бокра".
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Анна, вы преподаватель русского языка?
Русская грамматика очень очень сложна но вы не хотите говорить: кофе с "молока". You lose the music of this beautiful language.
Я согласна, на грамматику нужно обязательно обращать внимание! С другой стороны, я думаю, Стив прав, когда говорит, что даже если человек делает ошибки, это не препятствует общению.
Нет таланта. Есть только упорство, усидчивость и целенаправленность на одной чаше весов, и лень на другой.
Кстати, мысли вслух. Кто бы что ни говорил, о том что Стив полиглот, нет. 2/3 его языков по уровню болтаются на уровне русского языка и ниже, то есть не выше В1. Он быстро теряет интерес к ним, хорошо он говорит только на Французском, Японском, Китайском и Испанском, но изучал он их живя в стране с полным погружением в среду.
Вот Лука Лампариелло это совсем другой разговор, все языки, на которых он говорит (те по крайней мере, разговоры на которых мы можем увидеть на его канале), великолепны. Русский его и русский Стива даже рядом не стояли.
Если честно, я этого не понимаю. Это как учиться рисовать сначала пейзажи, потом натюрморты, потом портреты. Не научиться нигде, увешать дом полуфакбрикатами, а все вокруг будут говорить какой гениальный художник. Я учил английский 5 лет, сейчас учу испанский, затем возьму итальянский, как наиболее близкий, затем имея базу и трёх языков перейду на французский.
Каждый язык должен быть доведён до уровня В2 минимум, иначе какой смысл.
Урааааа, я собираюсь ехать в Киев через две недель. Уже 6 месяцев я жду. Tickets were extremely expensive - double what I paid 8 years ago with the travel insurance almost $1200. Sucks balls, but whatever, I don't care - I miss Ukraine so much.
Удачи!
Cynep!!
Mne panraviless etot tchelavek -Steve.
I'd like to hold a conversation with him in Arabic, if he were ready.
No Arabs speak standard arabic outside of official channels. They speak in dialect. If you try speaking Fusha in Cairo they will immediately switch to English. Foreigners should pick a dialect (Egyptian, Levantine, Gulf, Iraqi, etc) and study that one exclusively. Other ones will come more easily with time and patience.
@@Borat_Kazakh yes, I agree. Arabic language does not have native speakers, this is specific to this language. But if you master it you will probably be able to communicate with the Arabs, they would speak in their dialects and you speak in classical Arabic.
@@Borat_Kazakh yes, I agree. Arabic language does not have native speakers, this is specific to this language. But if you master it you will probably be able to communicate with the Arabs, they would speak in their dialects and you speak in classical Arabic.
вот парадокс что все кто хорошо говорит избегали грамматики, особенно вначале. А кто учил ее то говорит медленно и намного хуже сем те кто не изучал правил. Оно и логично - хочешь говорить как нейтив будь добр учись как нейтив - правила только когда ты уже свободно владеешь языком
учителей языков НЕ НУЖНО! они это ВРЕД.
you should learn at least some grammar, otherwise, you end up saying things like "Я часто прочитаю книгa"
Да, вы абсолютно правы. Грамматика - это не всё, но без неё никак нельзя.
grammar IS important in Russian as there is no word order
I find that at most 20% of Russian sentences don't follow subject, verb, object. Also, conjugations are very simple, particularly past tense. Grammar should be taught last imho.
If you know how to conjugate verbs, it means you studies grammar :) Grammar should not be the only thing a student focuses on but one's experience with Russian may become much easier if he/she clarifies at least the basic grammar concepts.
@@AnnaCherRussianfromtheHeart
God bless you, Anna, you do great work and are sincere about helping us learn Russian. I do not want to be a troll. But your response proves my point: you wrote "it means you studies grammar..", which is obviously a conjugation error. But I understood you perfectly well. The mistake meant nothing. You were able to communicate, and did not sacrifice the ability to write/speak in English to the altar of perfection. When I studied Russian in college (yikes, back in the 80s) knowledge of correct declensions was 99% of our grade. The only students who became fluent were those who went off for immersions in Russian environments. Anyway, this is just my opinion, and I respect the service you bring. Happy Holidays!!
@@Borat_Kazakh John, thank you for pointing out my mistake. It was a typo. I do agree that a person does not need to know grammar perfectly to be able to communicate! In NYC, I see dozens of such examples every day. I believe the question here is what one understands by "knowing a language". There is a big difference between being able to hold a simple conversation/order food/shop etc. and more advanced levels where grammar is essential. From my experience, when it comes to Russian, if there are three or more nouns in a sentence and a student doesn't use the cases correctly, it usually isn't easy to understand what he/she means. But again, one can get by without knowing grammar. Balance is everything, including leaning a language :)
Happy Holidays to you, too!
Yes, Grammar is important as it is the way the language WORKS. The reason it is so vilified is the way it is TAUGHT! They have turned it into a bunch of rules that you must MEMORIZE, rather than tips on how to pull off a move. Everything is so long and drawn out! No wonder the kids HATE it! To begin speaking a language, you only need mastery over FIVE KINDS of words. When taught right and learned right, you don't need to memorize lists of TRANSLATED words or exotic verb tenses. You need to analyze a situation and respond correctly. And keep it simple.
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так а смысл учить язык зная что вот топовые полиглоты вот говорят ну криво же звучит оно. Надо себе отдавать отчет что если ты не приобрел этот язык в детстве ты не заговоришь на нем красиво как носитель. А вот для такой речи учить ну в чем смысл? не лучше ли своим языком научиться владеть? Люди не умеют своим языком владеть, не могут какой-то простой анекдот рассказать, интересно какую-то историю, а берутся учить 2й потом не выучив 2й берут 3й 5й языки. Зачем
мне кажется это попытка убежать от реальной жизни и использования своего языка, в то чтобы вечно учиться.
а на счпт грамматики, все кто лучше всего говорит на русском говорили что не учили грамматики, а кто говорил что учил то говорит на много худе тех кто не учил а просто поглощал язык как он есть, без правил, как ребёнок, как нейтив. Чтоб быть как нейтив надо и кчить как нейтив это делал
his method for hobby . it will take 3 years to start to learn russian
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