Honestly just the best villain in the show. Such an aggressive showing of character, implications of a deeper individual than what’s seen, and the best combo of chaotic evil and chaotic lawful. Yes I said Chaotic Lawful. He acts all loose cannon, but has a strict set of personal morals (or lack thereof) we can occasionally see at play.
I’d say he’s Neutral Evil. As you said, he heads an organized crime syndicate, but he doesn’t really follow a code of any kind. He’s definitely evil though. More than once throughout the series he beats an unarmed girl (Ruby) with his cane, and you can tell he’s having a great time doing it. He thinks it’s fun/relaxing to cause pain to others.
I’d love a Neo character short. Or just a flashback within an actual volume in the vain of Midnight. Simply because it would be the most natural way to see Roman again. Neo was the one thing Roman seemed to sincerely care about so seeing the beginnings of their relationship would surely add some layers to his character and Neo’s.
@@r.e.m7148 I'd care to disagree since Tyrian was able to fulfill Watts' wishes by creating more chaos, hence Clover's death. Seems pretty crafty, or at least clever, to me. Plus, Roman wasn't able to craftily escape that griffin.
He’s based off a character from Pinocchio… and Pinocchio, as we all know, escaped from a beast’s stomach using smoke. Imagine if torchwick had a few cigars on him.
If you read the book "Roman's Holidays" you'll empathise a lot with him, what for me is the most stunning thing about his character is that clearly he has sadistic desires and loves stealing, But that's really all, he isn't a Narcissistic psychopath because he truly cares for Neo and wouldn't leave her behind, he almost gave up his life in exchange of her's. I think he could be a truly redeemable villain
Torchwick's death is still the single worst part of the show to me. Killin off my favorite character like that... Why you gotta do me dirty like that roosterteeth T-T
@@tannerlebel5167 I had that thought in the shower tonight. Like they could reveal that the Grimm was a product of Emeralds Semblance or something. Torchwick was an incredible villain.
Its not even jost that , his death it self was good . Like chiling , proff that the real world is cold and crule , the bad part is that it had NO impact on any thing . And i dont count neo comeing back 3 years later . Ruby didnt care that romen died . Thats why it suckd and i want him back .
I've said it near a decade ago on the old video, and I still think it holds true today. I love that his theme is like a darker Red Like Roses, he was Ruby's foil in personality. A shame her true rival is gone... (For now) The part with Neo wearing his hat, and the solemn piano sent me chills when I first saw it. It was like the song spoke for her...
Ah rest in peace Torchwick, the gentleman thief packed with snark, classic one-liners and the one responsible for everyone's favourite pint-sized murder machine. You passed too early, but perhaps that was a kinder fate for what was to come.
Die is the hidden RWBY contrast to Red like roses but. No one knew if the song belonged to Roman’s leitmotif but it took time to tell the difference and similarities
hands down the best rwby leitmotif, change my mind (you cant) i dont have the musical knowledge nor terminology to explain properly, but the way ruby and roman’s leitmotifs go together is * chef’s kiss * !! i feel like their musical similarities are perfect, given the hero/villain dichotomy
There's a low Chance he's alive. Though you shouldn't Bet on it or not. He's a real WildCard. You could call him the Joker in the Stack. (I'll stop now :p)
@@joaquinpalillo5578 Since he was swallowed in 1 bite (no chewing) its possible that he remained in one bit in the grimms stomach and maybe fought himself out.
The moment Roman was introduced I was in love his behavior sad to see him kill off so fast he would have been interesting to see again later part of the show
"Clean the dishes, sweep the floors. Shut your mouth and do your chores..." Am I just hearing things or did that originate with this?! Someone just pointed this out to me and it fits too well. Cinder's song from volume 8 sounds so similar.
It does seem similar but I'd guess it's probably just coincidence. The melody from The Truth is almost the exact same as the one from Sacrifice, barring like 1 or 2 notes.
@@Changyuraptor I noticed the similarity there too but I wasn't sure if that was just because it's a similarly unsettling villains song. All Things Must Die starts with a vibe like that too but I didn't think of anything innately in the composition as being similar.
I like when the Neo and Torchwick vs Ruby fight comes on how it's like a mixture of Torchwhick's and Neo's leitmotif because of Neo's illusiony sound effect on top of Torchwhick's music
1:50 I just can't stop thinking about this part being quite similar to "red like roses" I can't be the only one who's noticed, which makes him even a better antagonist, highlighting Ruby's and Torchwick rivalry or whatever you want to call it. Or perhaps it's just a coincidence, but still pretty cool if you ask me
Huh, yeah, I guess it does sound like a darker version of Ruby's theme. If nothing else they are ideological opposites in their world views and how they see human nature. Pity that battle of beliefs wasn't expanded on a little more before he died.
@@dreadraththeres also the contrast of color (Roman wearing red and white while ruby Red and black) the fight style parallelism (meanwhile ruby is fast and shoots a lot, Roman is almost immobile constantly blocking and usually prefers to depend on precise heavy hits. Making Roman very good at fighting people vs ruby being very good against Grimm) and the personality (ruby being awkward and hyperactive meanwhile Roman is very eloquent with words and very sarcastic with a constant annoyed tone) Theres another couple things to show why Roman was a great foe to ruby but that would be adding too much I’m not even sure of but I could add Sadly no other villain of rwby came close to making so many good parallels and kept the characters interesting and to actually interact
0:44 this scene and score is probably what gave me the most chills in volume 1 other than the opening monologue after seeing the volume 3 Salem/ narrator reveal
I totally understand that out of all the villans he was suppose to be killed off the soonest, he was planned first, but damn did they do a complete ass job of it, and not to mention he's the ONLY fucking one to die for 7 seasons after this is stupid as hell
I do wonder what Roman's semblance would have been if he had ever unlocked it. Like Telepathy or Attention manipulation. Maybe even shadow/light manipulation.
I don't care about the animation. I don't care about the writing problems. I don't care what everyone says, even if they are right. This show is awesome and I love it so much.
1:51 will always be one of my personal favorites
Same! It's always such a slow, laid back theme; it changes up the pace a bit
I can imagine it being the boss fight theme for Roman and Neo in a RWBY turn-based RPG. (Can’t you imagine their idle sprites bopping to the beat?)
Honestly just the best villain in the show. Such an aggressive showing of character, implications of a deeper individual than what’s seen, and the best combo of chaotic evil and chaotic lawful.
Yes I said Chaotic Lawful. He acts all loose cannon, but has a strict set of personal morals (or lack thereof) we can occasionally see at play.
I’d say he’s Neutral Evil. As you said, he heads an organized crime syndicate, but he doesn’t really follow a code of any kind.
He’s definitely evil though. More than once throughout the series he beats an unarmed girl (Ruby) with his cane, and you can tell he’s having a great time doing it. He thinks it’s fun/relaxing to cause pain to others.
@@TheLangenator Yeah he's a bad dude, but the kinda bad that's fun to watch.
@@ItsJustVirgil Exactly
He manages to hit that Handsome Jack area on the hateable/smug villain scale, without going too far into “smug asshole”
@@TheLangenator Yepp. It's the kinda thing where they're evil enough to hate, but *just* charismatic enough where you think they're cool anyway.
I’d love a Neo character short. Or just a flashback within an actual volume in the vain of Midnight. Simply because it would be the most natural way to see Roman again. Neo was the one thing Roman seemed to sincerely care about so seeing the beginnings of their relationship would surely add some layers to his character and Neo’s.
The best antagonist in RWBY with the best leitmotif. How fitting.
*Ahem* Second best. Don’t forget about my dude Tyrian.
Fitting indeed.
@@ltxansta3327 tyrain is second. Roman is wayyyy smarter and craftier
@@r.e.m7148 I'd care to disagree since Tyrian was able to fulfill Watts' wishes by creating more chaos, hence Clover's death. Seems pretty crafty, or at least clever, to me. Plus, Roman wasn't able to craftily escape that griffin.
@@ltxansta3327 no one cares. Roman for the win
He’s still my favourite character after all these years. So sad he died so early!
Better to leave the fans wishing for more than wishing for less.
@@evrint True but its still a little sad especially after volume 9
Sounds like Red like roses but evil
He was the first and best villain antagonist of the show.
I know you Roman, I know you won't stay dead. Your type never does.
We can only hope
He’s based off a character from Pinocchio… and Pinocchio, as we all know, escaped from a beast’s stomach using smoke. Imagine if torchwick had a few cigars on him.
@@JohnDoe-hk5ec penny is based off of Pinocchio, Roman is based off of Alex from a clockwork orange- he’s so similar it’s a bit unnerving
@@sparkierss3189 roman is based off of romeo lampwick from Pinocchio.
Boy do I have some good news for ya!
If you read the book "Roman's Holidays" you'll empathise a lot with him, what for me is the most stunning thing about his character is that clearly he has sadistic desires and loves stealing, But that's really all, he isn't a Narcissistic psychopath because he truly cares for Neo and wouldn't leave her behind, he almost gave up his life in exchange of her's. I think he could be a truly redeemable villain
Torchwick's death is still the single worst part of the show to me. Killin off my favorite character like that... Why you gotta do me dirty like that roosterteeth T-T
Forreal that shit hurts and one legit reason my liking on the show went down
His last lines really hinted at how there was a lot more to his character beyond what we saw, and then they just offed him
@@thejman4458 Shit dude, you right. If they brought him back in some BS way, I'd swallow that pillow wholeheartedly.
@@tannerlebel5167 I had that thought in the shower tonight. Like they could reveal that the Grimm was a product of Emeralds Semblance or something. Torchwick was an incredible villain.
Its not even jost that , his death it self was good . Like chiling , proff that the real world is cold and crule , the bad part is that it had NO impact on any thing . And i dont count neo comeing back 3 years later . Ruby didnt care that romen died . Thats why it suckd and i want him back .
I've said it near a decade ago on the old video, and I still think it holds true today. I love that his theme is like a darker Red Like Roses, he was Ruby's foil in personality. A shame her true rival is gone... (For now)
The part with Neo wearing his hat, and the solemn piano sent me chills when I first saw it.
It was like the song spoke for her...
Ah rest in peace Torchwick, the gentleman thief packed with snark, classic one-liners and the one responsible for everyone's favourite pint-sized murder machine. You passed too early, but perhaps that was a kinder fate for what was to come.
I miss him :(
I still think he’s alive . Pinocchio escaped the belly of a whale after being swallowed whole using smoke. Roman always had a cigar or two on him.
Die is the hidden RWBY contrast to Red like roses but. No one knew if the song belonged to Roman’s leitmotif but it took time to tell the difference and similarities
Honestly, in my fanfiction he became an anti hero and a mentor for Ruby.
RWBY's true villain, he deserved better, rest in peace big bad Woolf.
hands down the best rwby leitmotif, change my mind (you cant)
i dont have the musical knowledge nor terminology to explain properly, but the way ruby and roman’s leitmotifs go together is * chef’s kiss * !! i feel like their musical similarities are perfect, given the hero/villain dichotomy
There's a low Chance he's alive. Though you shouldn't Bet on it or not. He's a real WildCard. You could call him the Joker in the Stack. (I'll stop now :p)
Please continue.
I need more
@@joaquinpalillo5578 Since he was swallowed in 1 bite (no chewing) its possible that he remained in one bit in the grimms stomach and maybe fought himself out.
Listen m a n. I may be a gambling man, but even I know there are some bets you just don’t take.
@@leiferikson850 we see Ruby kill the Griffon right after it ate him so I doubt it.
The moment Roman was introduced I was in love his behavior sad to see him kill off so fast he would have been interesting to see again later part of the show
0:41 favorite leitmotif
"Clean the dishes, sweep the floors. Shut your mouth and do your chores..."
Am I just hearing things or did that originate with this?! Someone just pointed this out to me and it fits too well. Cinder's song from volume 8 sounds so similar.
It does seem similar but I'd guess it's probably just coincidence. The melody from The Truth is almost the exact same as the one from Sacrifice, barring like 1 or 2 notes.
@@Changyuraptor I noticed the similarity there too but I wasn't sure if that was just because it's a similarly unsettling villains song. All Things Must Die starts with a vibe like that too but I didn't think of anything innately in the composition as being similar.
What? What does this mean?
@@justice8718 No idea but its something to keep in mind
@@elusive-osmium For a dead show?
I like when the Neo and Torchwick vs Ruby fight comes on how it's like a mixture of Torchwhick's and Neo's leitmotif because of Neo's illusiony sound effect on top of Torchwhick's music
am I the only one who thinks it sounds a lot like Ruby's? Like, even in that first snippet - 0:10 "Red like roses fills my dreams"? No? Just me?
it's like ruby's but inverted pitchwise
The only good villain character they had they killed him for a joke
Not really a joke. His final speech is on how the real world is cruel and cold, so the Grimm immediately proves him right.
@@TheLangenator it also a bad idea to just be going with that negative vibes of reality WHEN YOU ARE SURROUNDED BY MONSTER DRAWN TO BAD VIBES
@@TheLangenator Why doesn't it work on RWBY and Cinder?
tbh I never knew Roman had a leitmotif, I think I just shoved it from my brain at one point.
My boy Roman is still missed in my heart a true mad lad and I still love this delightful villain
Love this guy but I do wish that he can back with a Redesign.
Thanks for the new formatting! Roman’s is my favorite leitmotif in the whole show :)
1:50 I just can't stop thinking about this part being quite similar to "red like roses" I can't be the only one who's noticed, which makes him even a better antagonist, highlighting Ruby's and Torchwick rivalry or whatever you want to call it. Or perhaps it's just a coincidence, but still pretty cool if you ask me
Huh, yeah, I guess it does sound like a darker version of Ruby's theme. If nothing else they are ideological opposites in their world views and how they see human nature. Pity that battle of beliefs wasn't expanded on a little more before he died.
@@dreadraththeres also the contrast of color (Roman wearing red and white while ruby Red and black) the fight style parallelism (meanwhile ruby is fast and shoots a lot, Roman is almost immobile constantly blocking and usually prefers to depend on precise heavy hits. Making Roman very good at fighting people vs ruby being very good against Grimm) and the personality (ruby being awkward and hyperactive meanwhile Roman is very eloquent with words and very sarcastic with a constant annoyed tone)
Theres another couple things to show why Roman was a great foe to ruby but that would be adding too much I’m not even sure of but I could add
Sadly no other villain of rwby came close to making so many good parallels and kept the characters interesting and to actually interact
New format is super appreciated, thank you for the work you put in these videos!
0:44 this scene and score is probably what gave me the most chills in volume 1
other than the opening monologue after seeing the volume 3 Salem/ narrator reveal
The best
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To put it simply... BY GOD THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS
Roman theme is best theme :)
Die could be Roman’s theme. But they are similar how it sounds opposite to Red like Roses
Massive Felix Vibes
1:51 This is literally so badass
I need some few bonus of Roman’s Chibi version cuz’ he only have three of them btw.
I was about to ask if he somehow got rep in the V7 soundtrack...
Lol. Same.
I was confused when I got the notification.
He does through Neo, her theme is a remix of his
@@Izzyisneon You know what. I am a fool who didn't realize that and I just hummed it to myself and yeah.
I used to think roman was a small fry, but i would gladly swap him out with cinder any day
I totally understand that out of all the villans he was suppose to be killed off the soonest, he was planned first, but damn did they do a complete ass job of it, and not to mention he's the ONLY fucking one to die for 7 seasons after this is stupid as hell
I do wonder what Roman's semblance would have been if he had ever unlocked it.
Like Telepathy or Attention manipulation. Maybe even shadow/light manipulation.
As revealed in the V7 commentary, his semblance was going to be what was eventually given to Fiona, but they could never find a way to work it in.
Its horrible that I memorized most of his lines.
no no your fine
What do we have here
I don't care about the animation. I don't care about the writing problems. I don't care what everyone says, even if they are right. This show is awesome and I love it so much.
Coincidence that the show was good up until he died?
I dont think so