Solid AP rounds were already similar in performance to APHE ones so having an already thin ‘hollow’ dart with like 5g TNT won’t change anything for the good but rather makes the dart more brittle and way less effective at penetrating, especially when fighting with ERA.
Ironically, a sorta APHEFSDS did exist, it was a 280mm round fitted onto one of the German railway guns; however this was never intended to penetrate armour, rather just increase the range of the gun. also there was a proposal for a similar sort of round for the German 37mm, but this was never made. But, for 280mm, it still would penetrate most armour no issues. I forgot the exact name but the german translation last I remembered is "arrow shell" EDIT: the name is the Peenemunde Arrow Shell.
What did exist is 3BM26 which is a Tandem APFSDS round. 2 different Tungsten cores, reducing the Tungsten used in total by 60% while retaining the same penetration as a full Tungsten rod
We had so many people saying gameplay would suffer if APHE was made historically accurate as it would give less 1 shot kills. Why aren't those same people demanding for APHEFSDS?
@@romanvarcolac2238 You are missing the point. APHE as it is currently in game does not exist either. APHEFDS is of course a joke, but if game would go for "History? Just give shotting rounds." in mind, then why not have APFSDS which acts like depicted in the video?
I'm not demanding for aphefsds, i'm demanding for a rework of the kill conditions, it's r*tarded that u often have to hit tanks twice from the fkin side with nonexplosive rounds to get the kill...
now make APHEFSDSHEATHECBC (Armor Piercing High Explosive Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot High Explosive Anti Tank High Explosive Capped Ballistic Capped) rounds
If I had to guess on how to make this shell closer to an actual APHE round, the fuse would need a delay of 0.3333-recurring and a min armour threshold to fuse it, say about 30mm. Oh, and reduced armour pen and reduced filler (or not, still funny either way 😆) Maybe that would be an interesting experiment to try, truly realise the meme lol
If i was to design a round like this ill have the filler behind the penetrator somewhere in the middle so it can still explode inside the vehicle once the penetrator does its job
Ive always wondered what APHEFSDS could do.. Now i kinda want to see 152MM APFSDS (Obj 292) with like a FV4005 amount of filler (unarmored vehicles will get dented)
@@o-hogameplay185 not reeaaaalllly, I will do my best to explain this, but it’s basically like a sort of gimped hollow point They typically consist of a tungsten hollow cylinder, with a aluminium/plastic insert in the middle. When this impacts the armour, the internal insert causes the tungsten to mushroom out in a way so that when it perforates the armour, the cone of spalling is much wider than if it were a solid AP round. As I said, think of it almost like a armour piercing hollow point.
Can you make custom belts for aircraft guns? Might be interesting to show the effect of the worst rounds we have in the game. Like German 30mm Incendiary shells or other shells that are incredible badly implemented, so everyone tries to avoid using them.
Because the penetrator erodes into almost nothing when you hit anything with heavy armour. Same goes for full caliber APHE, it realistically wouldn't go off most of the time. The shell breaks apart or the fuse gets damaged when it goes through heavy armour at an angle. If you want to blow something up, you shoot it with HE or HEAT. If you're shooting at a tank, just putting a hole in it is enough.
Solid AP rounds were already similar in performance to APHE ones so having an already thin ‘hollow’ dart with like 5g TNT won’t change anything for the good but rather makes the dart more brittle and way less effective at penetrating, especially when fighting with ERA.
@@burningsinner1132 Star Streak isn’t meant to penetrate armor plates. In fact it has hardly any armor penetration. Each dart carries like 450g of explosive.
@@kimjanek646 Yet it sports enough penetration to get through light armored vehicle. Also, it's enough to go by. If 900g dart can fit 450g of explosives, so can 4kg one. Let 3/4 of it be the conventional dart and fill tail section with funny.
I don't think you could pack 5 kilos of HE in there. More like 200 grams instead of tracer and up. And I think the fuze should be twice as long. Otherwise, this just demonstrates how broken overpressure mechanic is in this game
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APHEFSDS is insane
Solid AP rounds were already similar in performance to APHE ones so having an already thin ‘hollow’ dart with like 5g TNT won’t change anything for the good but rather makes the dart more brittle and way less effective at penetrating, especially when fighting with ERA.
We actually already have one in the game. Its under the name BR-365A. The thing has crazy angle performance with 164g of HE filler
We should make it a reality :trollface:
APCBCDSFS-T
Now be prepared for APHEATSHCRBCFSDS
Ironically, a sorta APHEFSDS did exist, it was a 280mm round fitted onto one of the German railway guns; however this was never intended to penetrate armour, rather just increase the range of the gun. also there was a proposal for a similar sort of round for the German 37mm, but this was never made.
But, for 280mm, it still would penetrate most armour no issues.
I forgot the exact name but the german translation last I remembered is "arrow shell"
EDIT: the name is the Peenemunde Arrow Shell.
There is also the maus that has the 88mm aphe fired from it’s 128
@@monticore1626 although that’s not fin stabilised
A weapon to destroy Metal Gear
What happened to your videos
@@monticore1626thats apheds
HE sabot is just high velocity realistic HEAT
Fr
No
@@Lepilote86 shut up gay
Heat flying at 1780m/s with spalling okay dude
heat doesnt work like that
Would be interesting to see machine guns with 2500 m/s muzzle velocity.
The sheer kinetic energy would be insane because it's proportional to velocity squared.
@@notfunny3397In reality the bullet would shatter so doing basically little to no damage comparatively.
@@BARelement well, not exactly. Look for paper named "Local and distant trauma
after hypervelocity ballistic impact
to the pig hind limb"
APCBCHEAPDSFSHEATATGM is dumb
(APCBC,HE,APDSFS,HEAT,ATGM)
(wow so many likes)
it's the greatest shell of the year
Wait till you hear BESH
@@detectivepatchouli8266 BESH?
So basically give LOSAT an HE filler?
Ye@@zchen27
"Darts with explosive filler don't exists and therefore can't hurt you." Says my schizophrenic ass.
APHEFSDS:
Now you just need to make the APHESHFSDS (PF)
(tandem charge)
As a British enthusiast, we need APHESHFSDS
YES, YES
We have Starstreak already, which is close enough 😅 3 darts with 1 kg of explosive each
Thank the lord this isn’t in the game. If it was imagine it on the object 292…
What did exist is 3BM26 which is a Tandem APFSDS round.
2 different Tungsten cores, reducing the Tungsten used in total by 60% while retaining the same penetration as a full Tungsten rod
0:25 the reload icon loading HEAT
it's because how custom weapons use stock ammunition icons
@@Zenturion7 👁️👄👁️
The Maus has APHEDS
now we need Anti tank guilded Sabot...............................................wait
*laughs in LOSAT*
Already LOSAT
Ok hear me out, Object 292's APFSDS with the HE filler of the Sturmtiger
its kind of a bad dart actually since it is modelled as a short rod. a DM53 would be better
Finally! I have been looking for it for ages!
We had so many people saying gameplay would suffer if APHE was made historically accurate as it would give less 1 shot kills. Why aren't those same people demanding for APHEFSDS?
Because it does not exist lol. APHEDS does exist (Maus, E-100 and several other German guns not implemented in game), but that is not APHEFSDS.
@@romanvarcolac2238 You are missing the point. APHE as it is currently in game does not exist either. APHEFDS is of course a joke, but if game would go for "History? Just give shotting rounds." in mind, then why not have APFSDS which acts like depicted in the video?
I'm not demanding for aphefsds, i'm demanding for a rework of the kill conditions, it's r*tarded that u often have to hit tanks twice from the fkin side with nonexplosive rounds to get the kill...
Imagine gajin watch this and said “wouldn’t it be funny if we added this shell to the game?”
now make APHEFSDSHEATHECBC (Armor Piercing High Explosive Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot High Explosive Anti Tank High Explosive Capped Ballistic Capped) rounds
I was thinking about this earlier today and then this video popped up, what a coincidence
Now do apheapfsds
The same sabo round but with the russian 122 mm aphe
This can be called the emotional damage delivery
Put that HE filler on that extremely fast APFSDS you made earlier
High explosive Needle
finally us winrates can go above 30% with this
I love that it have more TNT kg than APDFS weights :D
so this is the APHE change ive heard about
Cant wait to see the sturmtiger guided missile system
실제로도 있습니다.
독일 라인메탈 사에서 노후화된 DM33 날탄을 활용하기 위해 고온에서 부피가 커지는 폴리머를 내부에 넣는 개조를 진행했습니다.
결과적으로 작약과 비슷한 효과를 낸다고 합니다.
우와 그런게 실제로 있다니....하지만 역시기존 날탄보다 관통력이 약하고 비싸겠죠?
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이거 구현한 영상 나왔네요
Try this after the APHE changes so g the shell can keep its trajectory after boom boom.
If I had to guess on how to make this shell closer to an actual APHE round, the fuse would need a delay of 0.3333-recurring and a min armour threshold to fuse it, say about 30mm. Oh, and reduced armour pen and reduced filler (or not, still funny either way 😆)
Maybe that would be an interesting experiment to try, truly realise the meme lol
Now make a light speed APHEFSDS
I always thought about this projectile. I think APHEATFSDS would be better.
bro would absolutely one tap a maus
Military watching this video... *take notes*, ok guys.. we're going to make a new ammo for tanks.
If i was to design a round like this ill have the filler behind the penetrator somewhere in the middle so it can still explode inside the vehicle once the penetrator does its job
Soon it will be ancdefghijklmnop
Ive always wondered what APHEFSDS could do.. Now i kinda want to see 152MM APFSDS (Obj 292) with like a FV4005 amount of filler (unarmored vehicles will get dented)
there is the PELE ammo whis is kinda similar. basically a dart designed to shatter after penetrating the armor
@@o-hogameplay185 not reeaaaalllly, I will do my best to explain this, but it’s basically like a sort of gimped hollow point
They typically consist of a tungsten hollow cylinder, with a aluminium/plastic insert in the middle.
When this impacts the armour, the internal insert causes the tungsten to mushroom out in a way so that when it perforates the armour, the cone of spalling is much wider than if it were a solid AP round.
As I said, think of it almost like a armour piercing hollow point.
Can you make custom belts for aircraft guns?
Might be interesting to show the effect of the worst rounds we have in the game.
Like German 30mm Incendiary shells or other shells that are incredible badly implemented, so everyone tries to avoid using them.
And now we need 16' HESH for them ships
"Hmmm shomeone should developed APFSDS with HE filler
LOSAT and other kinetic weapons with a lot of energy should have this sort of effect applied to it but not OVP perhaps.
와 상상만 하던 내용인데
Make ZOF 5000 (HE shell, but explodes like FAB-5000)
oh no here it comes
I literally had a dream about this last night
Who wants a bet this will be on another stupidly op Russian event vehicle with 900mm pen
How people want APHE to be:
i had an idea about aphefsds since last year.
Would be interesting what it would do at like 75g tnt or something.
T-64R Sight lol
So you made 3bm60 (it spalls so extreme)
that would be OP.
this is game breaking
152mm APFSDS + 152mm HE
How it feels to play the Strv m/42 EH and the P40
Boy - That's a very long name >_>
That one i was looking for the best shell in MBT war thunder i hope may be add this game
he did it
Wouldn't it be SAPFSDS with how how it explodes almost at impact with enough armor?
Aphe but with 5kg of explosives?
Now we need atapcbchefsdsgm
The meme is real now
Give that to the American t95e1 and the t95e1 is supposed to have composite armor so war thunder has it wrong
ZSU-57-2 with 3UBM22???
I still cant get it why any real life development of such isnt present.
Because the penetrator erodes into almost nothing when you hit anything with heavy armour. Same goes for full caliber APHE, it realistically wouldn't go off most of the time. The shell breaks apart or the fuse gets damaged when it goes through heavy armour at an angle.
If you want to blow something up, you shoot it with HE or HEAT. If you're shooting at a tank, just putting a hole in it is enough.
@@Creepus_Explodus that sound grounded enough , but i mean on paper it seems impossible yet reality often leads to unexpectations .
can you please do atgm that goes like 1km/h. it would look super cool
Don’t give Gaijin any ideas
Russian HE shell is somethings in god mode :)
Pls do a more realistic APHEFSDS. To see how it would do in a real life situation.
APHEFSDSHEATHECBC when?
Real free APHEFSDS. How about increasing the fuze delay to see what happens?
maybe make it 10-80 grams of TNT equivalent?
lore accurate russian bias
DM53+M107=?
basicly the maus apheds
let him cookk
PELE basically.
Фугас с балистикой лома
Too short of a delay so it feels more like SAPHE
Give it like 1-2 meters delay
How do you do this, changing the code like it's nothing?
미국 무기 개발 연구원 : 이거다...!!
Now make a lore accurate 🅱️ESH
Doesn't make sense but neat
Of course you did it with a Russian tank, the Soviets put aphe in everything before the got apfsds
Apparently russians experemented with the mango round and added a 25mm shaped charge
The maus being planned to fire APHEDS wt: apcbc take it or leave it
날탼 구경이40mm아니던가
This certainly is interesting, but why?
Its real shit in game?
Dude russia is bias enough we dont need aphefsds 💀
Solid AP rounds were already similar in performance to APHE ones so having an already thin ‘hollow’ dart with like 5g TNT won’t change anything for the good but rather makes the dart more brittle and way less effective at penetrating, especially when fighting with ERA.
How would you even fit more than 200g into a sabot dart? 😄
@@kimjanek646 Make it longer.
Also, have you ever heard of starstreak missile?
@@burningsinner1132 Star Streak isn’t meant to penetrate armor plates.
In fact it has hardly any armor penetration.
Each dart carries like 450g of explosive.
@@kimjanek646 Yet it sports enough penetration to get through light armored vehicle.
Also, it's enough to go by. If 900g dart can fit 450g of explosives, so can 4kg one. Let 3/4 of it be the conventional dart and fill tail section with funny.
Try HESHFSDS
pebis
"seems balanced for 8.3"
I don't think you could pack 5 kilos of HE in there. More like 200 grams instead of tracer and up. And I think the fuze should be twice as long. Otherwise, this just demonstrates how broken overpressure mechanic is in this game
No shit sherlock
:)
Fix your audio 😶
hi
Whens the APHEATFSDS
APHEFSDSHEATHEHESHCBC. WE NEED IT