Did AI Just Kill Classical Music?
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- A violinist with no shadow.
00:00 - I. ?
01:58 - II. ??
Composer: ??
Violin solo: ??
How do we understand what good string playing is? What exactly have we learned about the intricacies of nuance and beauty? How much of it is mystery, impossible to teach or understood in explicit terms? Can it only be emulated and passed on from one emotional being to the next? I would like to gently challenge all of our preconceptions with this sample of music I created. What you are hearing is music entirely composed by and played by Artificial Intelligence. My role was minimal, limited to guiding the AI with simple text instructions and using my taste to approve, reject, and combine iterations. This represents a groundbreaking moment advancement in technology-and this is the dumbest these tools will ever be. So, we must ask: are we seeing the end of classical music as we know it, or does this mark a new beginning? 
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![George Enescu | Beethoven Violin Sonata No.7 [LIVE, Remastered]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/osRXzpYiASA/mqdefault.jpg)
Real musicians will always want to create and people will always want to experience them. I can't see concert halls being filled with crowds who have come to see one machine on a stage.
Dear Daniel! Thank you for doing it. It is quite impressive, I must say! I listened to it several times and each time I sensed the so-called intentional oversaturation of what we consider beautiful musical cliches: (beautiful tone, preferably on a G string, everything romantic, vibrato, musical gestures using large interval reaches, never-ending modulations to parallel minor or such, intensity, dramatic dynamics, etc). But it was going in circles without a point. That is if one would imagine looking at Renoire's "Luncheon of the Boating Party" but seeing pretty faces of today's celebrities or supermodels painted in the style of Caravaggio with the Starry Night by Van Gogh as the background. Such a beautiful mishmash with the only intention of impressing the first time. (second time not as strong...etc). And I'm sure, in the future AI will be much smarter to mimic and confuse us with its "art". After all, we know nothing and the possibility is greater than ever that the entire world is a simulation. blah blah blah...
I still have to reinstate: what I've heard mimics the beauty astoundingly while seeing footage of great musicians ;) And for many people perhaps that is enough. But the impulse of great artists to create beauty was influenced by completely different reasons. In my opinion, beauty was never the goal of itself, but rather a byproduct of a greater intent.
Anyway, that's just my opinion. Thank you for such a video.
Very well said! Overall I definitely consider the violin playing on a much higher level than the composition in this experiment. Thanks for your comment!
Interesting. Be aware it might be our human solidarity rebelling against this. If we didn't know it was AI, we'd appreciate as nice background music. Although, I agree with DanielKurganov that as a composition, it gets a little boring. However, the same could be said of my piano playing - interesting and often beautiful technique, but compostions that don't really go anywhere except for a beginning, an ending, and x number of crescendos in-between depending on how long I intend to play.
@@DanielKurganov see my comment (and major thanks!):
The violin sound feels old and new at the same time, probably taking influences from both old-school and modern performances. It's very late 19th-century French romantic, and almost sounds like something composed by Franck or Ysaye. The only downside is that it practically only consists of "emotional peaks", and little to no direction in which the peaks come from or head to. Just a synthesis of romantic compositional techniques that undoubtedly sound beautiful to any average (unsuspecting) listener.
Unfortunately for many composers of late 19th/early 20th century salon pieces, this is Exactly what their music essentially means/conveys/sounds like…
Incredible! Would you mind sharing what tools you used for this (both for composition and sound generation)?
Probably Udio
Yeah I’d be curious as well
It's breathtakingly beautiful. Did you use Udio? What prompt did you use? I am speechless
AI only kickes out what people feed in first...that video is beautiful but in it's heavy rich sounding atmosphere it sounds like a funeral for all the great violinists no longer with us 🙃 except each of them individually had a much wider spectrum of what they shared with us when still alive...as fascinating as it is with the new technologies but I don't think people go to the concerthall for 'non live music'. maybe new places will come in to offer such thing...
Which tool did you create this with?
I guess it just means that we will enhance and admire natural imperfections more. I belive in human solidarity :) I don't think there is a problem with listening to an AI recording but thanks God we have live music and natural imperfections. If our intentions towards music are pure, it doesn't seems to be that scary. We live in a new world. It will inspire all of us. :)
What are pure intentions in regards to music?
You mentioned you guided it. What sort of influence must be done to make it sound this convincing? Chat gbt? Obviously the vibrato sounds pleasing but too perfect, I must say the bow gliss strokes are pretty astonishing though.
Hey Daniel. Did you use an existing tool or you trained a neural network yourself?
A really interesting video - thanks for sharing! It’s very encouraging because we can say a resounding no. It can copy cliches, but there is nothing creative in it. There is nothing human, nothing from the soul about it, and also ok a practical note - no tune or memorable motive. But very fun and fascinating to experience
hey there are a couple memorable moments :) I love the very beginning phrase exchange in the piano / violin. And then it comes back at the end of the 1st piece. It's original and not worse than anything Franck or Chausson wrote...? Anyway, it's fun to see where things go.
Music is a process of communication and community, not an mp3 file that comes out at the end of a recording. If your only interest for music is as a product to be sold, there are much more popular, and therefore lucrative, genres to make off-putting imitations of.
One aspect of music is communication and community, certainly. However, the recorded archive (whether digitally or in other forms) is how we transmit knowledge and inspiration across the ages. Overall, I learned far more about violin playing from "mp3 files" than from performing with and listening to other musicians. After all, name me a great violinist today that isn't a version of someone in our recorded archive. When something comes and disturbs the sacredness of this archive, there are metaphysical implications, particularly when what I presented here is just "version 1". I totally agree with you that the live experience and human connection aspect are outside of this remain.
@@DanielKurganov Did you learn to play from mp3 files? Or from what they contained? Would you have gotten the same value had the music been created in a way so completely different to how you would create that sound? It's not just that it uses imitation, like a human would, it is PURE imitation. The regular process of transformation that occurs when a person lives a rich life and brings all that myriad context to their art is totally absent. Without that, we're just listening to increasingly distant echoes of a classical canon we have direct access to already.
On the recording side, I think the implications are much more practical than metaphysical. Like in all creative realms, AI is going to be used to try and replace artists as a cog in the money-making apparatus of creative industry. It's quite inconvenient for the owner of a streaming service or record label to have to pay musicians, which is why they do their very best to NOT pay anyone. What better way to bring down costs than to remove expensive artists entirely from the equation? This is the core reason why AI is the big new tech-fad. Venture capitol investors LOVE the idea of never having to deal with artists in any capacity.
@@asherburdick6319 Yes, the contents of the mp3 files is what I mean. Is it important how those contents are arrived at, if the contents check all of the boxes and produce the desired reaction? I guess it depends on the assumptions and perspective of the observer...
The transformative human process you describe is certainly correct. If we agree that we're simply talking about the output and how its experienced by the experiencer, I am becoming more and more skeptical that, at least in certain applications, "the intangibles of human experience" limits the ability of technology to arrive at the same quality outputs.
Practically speaking, yes musicians are f****ed, but let's be honest, we haven't made money on digital music in a decade anyway. One can make an optimistic case as well that these tools can unleash the creativity of composers by being a sort of 'co-pilot'. We'll see how things pan out...but for now, let me listen again to this touching violin playing :)
@@DanielKurganov I think it's important to argue for a humanist answer to that question. We are humans, after all.
@@asherburdick6319 How can you be sure that @DanielKurganov is a human being and not a bot? ))
What AI did you use?
Really interesting. This is the most compelling AI generated classical music that I’ve encountered. I may be behind the times. Slightly frightening but for me it’s mostly just exciting. I try to not let new possibilities devalue what already exists. It definitely casts a light on what the true value of engaging in music is outside of simply the end product.
It will eventually devalue what already exists and render all artists dead or living irrelevant, having stolen centuries long blood, sweat and tears work of those same artists, putting billions in the pockets of the companies who do this.
I say it's a new beginning, that will grow very rapidly in the near future. Over the last two years, I've written over 200 pieces using AI, posted on my channel. I started with OpenAI's MuseNet, which no longer works. I use only software that outputs in MIDI though, and the process is creative and collaborative. I rearrange the measures of the continuation sequences I generate with the AI, change notes, alter tempos, improve the performance quality. A seed file (in MIDI) sets the style or character of the continuations. I've done as many as 125 long (over a minute) continuations to find the measures I like, usually from only four or five of the continuation sequences.
Each piece takes me from 5 to 20 hours to compose. It takes a total command of MIDI software to structure and shape the performance quality of the final piece, so this kind of software is best for composers who already work in MIDI or use music-writing software at least, but the advantage is total control, pretty much the opposite of AI software that outputs in audio only, where everything is done by the AI.
This sounds beautiful though, and I've never heard anything this good before, especially for violin! Most of the text-to-music generators that output in wave form that I've used, like MusicLM, have all kinds of extra-musical sounds, that is, noise or interference. I've almost hated the stuff I've written with it. I suspect this is Udio, one I haven't experimented with.
I love the music of Ravel, Debussy and Mozart, and many other composers, and have not heard anything that approaches their better work done by AI, but unlike most people, I believe AI will get there, and eventually, all on its own, spit out works of incredible beauty. I just love good music. I don't care whether it is produced by humans or AI. I think it could happen within the next 20 years.
I took computer programming in my first year of music school, over 50 years ago, and I've always believed that computers were going to transform society, much like was predicted in Toffler's 1970 book FUTURE SHOCK. It has all come to pass, and more with the Internet and now AI. And I was there for both the beginning of the Internet, the birth of the PC, and early AI. AI will affect the way we learn everything, and it will affect music, art, and writing. I choose to embrace the wonder of AI, rather than fear the consequences or rant about its deficiencies.
Even 200 years from now, I still think people will dance and play instruments, and some will compose their own music.
AI will render "Ravel, Debussy and Mozart" and every other artist dead or alive irrelevant, and that is abominable, as far as I am concerned.
@@Zareh_Abrahamian It is sad, but a harsh reality of the temporal nature of life and all that is unknown. The classical music I love was created during a small fraction of the time humanity has existed on Earth. And I believe there are probably civilizations out there who are thousands of years more advanced than us. What are they like and what do they do for music, if anything. It may be a natural progression/evolution for biological forms to be replaced with machines.
AI is taking off, finally. It is going to cause dramatic changes in everything. I read Gödel, Escher, Bach when it was published. I thought AI was going to be huge and advance rapidly. It didn't, for decades. But now it is advancing rapidly. And I'm still alive, and I'm going to embrace it in the time I have left. To use software for as long as I have, including music software, and then the first time I used MuseNet, it was a singular experience for me -- the most amazing software I've ever used. It was simple to use and could do so much.
@@Timzart7 I have been a creative person all my life, I also love technology. I have been using computers for almost 35 years, I have also done programming for several years. This is different: AI robs humans of creativity, turning them into cucumbers and as you said replacing them. I feel extremely depressed because of this and I know we can not put it back in the bottle no matter what.
What AI software did you use for this???
What is this piece called? Are they all playing same piece? Pls let us know the name
Just read the description. It might shed a light over your question.
Gracias por todo lo que siento
Very "textural". Not much thematic direction. Could easily fool me into thinking this was created by a real person. I guess I'm just not very interested in it though. I'm kinda bothered by the idea of putting enormous effort into creating the perfect replica of a brain-in-a-box, just to subjugate it into doing creative work for you. "Do my humanity so I don't have to". What does some AI have to say to me? It isn't from the 1870s, even if it writes music like it is; it's not part of a tradition. I have no interest in AI art.
for me personally, I want a way to get the music that is in my head out into the real world. I don't care to have it composing its own stuff, but if they can create tools like East West for orchestra, I'd love it forever. I want to use AI to make stuff, not to press a button and hope something pretty comes out.
In an alternate universe Heifetz is listening to this and saying "we may as well break our fiddles across our knees'"
Very interesting and impressive experiment. I personally feel that there is always a place for more music and for more performances, for some contexts, even for someone like me playing the Franck sonata that has been performed and recorded so often and so brilliantly. So, the question is perhaps more on a social level, if creations like this will flood the space, drown out everything else because of its sheer mass and convenience of creation. The violin sound is impressive, the piano and the orchestral accompaniment not at the same level. What would it sound like if this AI played a Bach or Ysaÿe solo or a Beethoven sonata or a Kreisler miniature? Would you, Daniel, be tempted to play the violin part of this composition? In my mind, the composition itself is the weakest part in this creation. I can't make much sense of it (perhaps my limitations). It feels like a collection of opportunities for the violin to show off what can be done with the instrument.
I agree with your observations. The composition has moments of brilliance (dare I say, quite touching moments), but it's mostly "moment-to-moment". That has been hard to break through with the current technology. But check back tomorrow :) As skeptical as I was, I am now assuming that works on the level of X composer will be possible eventually, and we'll have to deal with the implications of that.
The violin playing is certainly the standout in this experiment. I'm not sure it changes what I would do, whether I would enjoy it, and whether I would change my actions. However, it does put into question whether what we consider creative and deeply nuanced is in fact that. We shall see.
@@DanielKurganov The ending was touching, but that would probably be easier to prompt than general coherence with structure and transitions, right. OK, I'll stay tuned. Considering creativity and nuance, it is impossible to differentiate between the essence and the presentation. When a program presents as creative and nuanced, does that take away from creative and nuanced readings by humans? Or does it "destroy" them? I don't think so. I'd still like to hear the program playing a Kreisler miniature. And can it explain how to do that physically on a violin? I might want to take lessons with it when my favourite current teacher does not come back.
No refleja problemas ni angustias actuales. Tampoco victorias ni epopeyas. Hay muchas formas y fórmulas de componer "infinitamente" (desde lo armónico, contrapuntistico, textural, etc.), hay reglas de "no final" que pueden ser cargadas en un programa. Hay formas de sostener un "clímax". Hay procesos para dotar de naturalidad algo frío. Todo está pre-fabricado, pre-pensado. No obstante, cuando he querido componer, muy poco de lo aprendido, ha sonado a pasado. Siempre hay una pequeña chispa propia que va por otro lado, aunque va al mismo tiempo en paralelo (aunque suene contradictorio). Cada genio ha intentado superar la soledad, y ha amado su Arte como un refugio ante la adversidad y la finitud del tiempo. Claramente Beethoven lucha en uno de los movimienyos de su Hammerklavier entre despedirse en soledad a su más recóndito dolor, pero al mismo tiempo intenta consolarnos cálidamente desde su lejanía y decirnos que nos Ama y jamás nos abandonará. Bach describió asombrosos viajes cósmicos, contemplando la Maravilla que nos rodea. Tchaikovsky dio forma a su dolor y a su pasión y con ello nos cambió la Vida para siempre. De la observación de la Vida y el Universo salen hondos paralelismos o metáforas sonoras que tocan nuestras fibras más íntimas. Si bien son interesantes estos fragmentos creados por AI, uno no volvería a ellos una y mil veces, como sí lo hacemos los violinistas con el Poema de Chausson, verdadero logro del pensamiento artístico, y un sinnúmero de obras más. Aún falta mucho, tal vez jamás logre la AI imitar la coherencia interna como la que tiene la "Pasión Según San Mateo", o la arquitectura insuperable del Concierto para Violín Op. 61 de Beethoven junto a sus más célebres colaboradores Kreisler o Joachim, mucho menos el humor imperecedero de "Las 4 Estaciones" de Vivaldi, ni tampoco, la épica 9a Sinfonía, o la oceánica Sinfonía Patética de Tchaikovsky, ni los ciclos perfectos e integrales como los Estudios de Chopin, los Caprichos de Paganini, los 2 volúmenes del Clave Bien Temperado, las Sonatas de Bach y las de Ysaye. Y dejo a tantos afuera, Mozart, Verdi, Donizetti, Prokofiev, Shostakovich, etc. La diversidad de formas de usar y jugar con el Lenguaje musical, su relación con las matemáticas, el lenguaje, la cultura y sus rupturas no deben ser preocupaciones de un programa.
Si bien el sonido es cautivante en estos ejemplos, y hay detalles expresivos sorprendentemente logrados, ¿cuál fue la pena que llevó a componer estas notas? Ninguna. Solo es programa y combinaciones ya standarizadas como efectivas, algo tan básico como improvisar una pentatónica sobre unos acordes de rock and roll. Siempre quedarán bien, cualquiera fuese la combinación dentro de dichas notas (dentro de la Pentatónica). No hay misterio, aunque 100.000 combinaciones distintas, parezcan siempre frescas, novedosas y acertadas. Aún no alcanzo a ver ese juego psicológico que hace al Arte, esa justa combinación entre "lo nuevo" y "lo repetido". Si se cambia siempre, no habrá unidad. Si algo se repite siempre, habrá aburrimiento por falta de contraste. ¿Dónde está el punto justo para hacer que en 50 minutos, 32 Variaciones de una breve Aria no cansen jamás? ¿Ha encontrado eso la AI?
Creo firmemente que si comparas una lección de violín de 1 hora, o mejor dicho a 60 lecciones sucecivas, entre tú, querido Kurganov, y la AI, no habrá opción. Ahí veríamos una enorme diferencia entre el genio Artesano y la pobre máquina.
No nos dejemos engañar. Aún los productos humanos, sobre todo las creaciones más geniales, no han sido descifradas, ni siquiera por nosotros mismos.
Un abrazo, y de todas formas, Gracias!❤
I think AI is a great tool for visual concept art, and probably quite nice for visualizing musical concept as well…but at the end of the day, what really stands out would always be some kind of good contexts of meaningful storytelling behind it 🤔
This video is an interesting criticism of how much of the classical music world is merely the mimicry of its "surface structure", without concern for its deep meaning.
Why do we do what we do as classical musicians?
I think there is good anthropological evidence to suggest that music developed primarily as a exercise in social bonding (Google Steven Mithen's work for example).
For me, music's "deep structure" has to do with this fact of human connection - binding together, I might call this "Religio" - so the big question is, how can AI connect with us through its music?
the problem is that most music nowadays which actually bonds people is looked down upon by musical elites. I also firmly believe that music needs more to bond people: it has to be either paired with dance (shared body movement) or words (songs that are meaningful and communicate something through language). We brought this upon ourselves.
@@fiedelmina music can also express the things that can't be put into propositions - look at how the 3rd movement of Shostakovich's 5th symphony made the audience openly weep at its premiere (crying was seen as a criticism of the Soviet regime), or how Mahler's 2nd Symphony also caused the audience to cry and embrace each other - can AI generate music make us cry? Can it give us goosebumps? These are the things I'd be impressed to see
but how? This is amazing and haunting at the same time.. Did it just take all the great fiddlers combined and make something out of that?
And than so, the question comes: the intellectiual rights of these amazing musicians this AI stole its soul of?
Who will benefit from this? Movies? Theatre? RUclips? Spotify? Who will get the money? The one who typed in: play something in the style of Brahms and Sibelius combined with a violin that sounds like Heifetz and Kreisler?
Bravo! This is a well composed piece of art by you, generated and perfomed by a tool, just like it always has been.
Though the tools get more sophisticated (from vocal chords and inks and papers to pianos and keyboards and computers) through the innovative aspects of the human mind, at the end of the day it is the creator who puts the thought into the process which the machine facilitates.
To me as someone who studied both music and engineering, Artificial Intelligence is another art form created by a different thought process which like any other humane artifact fascinates and sometimes captivates or even mesmerizes the curious mind!
Yet I'm sure as it always has been the case, the live performers (specially if the the composer is included😉) will for ever be the ultimate channel to convey the feelings the creator tried to express by writing these notes... sorry codes, again sorry ... prompts ...hell with all that, just as always has been and will be said (as long as we have the luxury of not living in a void!), by making these sounds!
Thank you for sharing your feelings with us.
Interesting perspective! There definitely was a lot of work put into curating, filtering, and combining the work of the machine. Somehow I do feel my stamp on this as a good producer might. Would have taken less time to record the damn thing myself:))
Honestly, as adhd as I am, I love it. It feels just as erratic as my brain. 🤣
It will never kill live classical music anymore then it’s gonna kill any other live music. You’re never gonna replace somebody up there on stage sweating it out.
It can’t create, it can only mimic.
what if we're all basically just mimicking? hmmm
@@DanielKurganovmany are, but some combine genres that create new forms, those forms are restricted by the biomechanics of the human-instrument interface, and its the exploitation and mastery at the limit boundary where the creatively is truly birthed.
Without the emotional tension of that boundary, the art form will always be lacking.
In my humble opinion of course.
@@GwladYrHaf to play devil's advocate, I would say combining is a form of mimicry, mostly. I do think there are moments in history of inspired creation. The creation in this video, for those that understand what's going on in it, supports the revelation that much of what we thought was "truly creative" probably isn't. This begs the question of how much further will the machine eat away at what we hold sacred by, say, Version 50 of this technology. Maybe the truth will be that it and we both converge on a deeper source.
By the way, "mimicking" is not how neural networks, diffusion and stochastic gradient descent work.
@@GwladYrHaf Combining genres that create new form can be considered a more sophisticated form of mimicking. In patent law, for example, an invention is not awarded a patent if prior art can be demonstrated by combining two or more prior inventions where each one is not prior art to the given invention by itself.
Since the appeal of Classical music is in live performance with acoustic instruments, i don't really see AI as a threat. Even recordings people listen to are first bought and listened to because they are recorded by their favourite LIVE artists, noone is listening to nameless soundcloud violinists
well let's give this violinist a name. He/she is certainly one of the better violinists I've heard :)
You ever heard of Naxos recordings???
This is not the end of "classical music" as we know it... this is the beginning of the end of humankind, as we used to call it.
Humans lack restraint and seek a sense of "progress" to fill the inner void that should be filled with gratitude and appreciation for what is and what has been possible.
When the public outcry demands imperfection, that's when I make my move!
I like to pick up a violin and play. Also a flute. My bum gets sore just sitting and watching.
Natural C# harmonics on a D string and that sustainment, anyone?
@@sungwooyoon482 it’s that baroque tuning!!
Oh wow! Incredibly fast and seamles retuning ability!
@@sungwooyoon482 actually an interesting idea for an invention. They have those bells and whistles for electric guitar. I think we need that. And a whammy bar please.
@DanielKurganov
Yes, I'm fairly certain that that's possible on violins; I'm surprised that nobody's done it yet
Maybe it's because od the bridge?
There are already types of tuners that are much easier to use than the traditional one
But can AI develop it's own style? And if it does come up with something novel...is it worth listening to? I would say to it, combine the style of this, and that and another composer and come up with a combination and see if what happens. Do I want to turn over the controls to AI because it can? I have worked to develop my own style (I have lived a life listening to and absorbing various influences). AI can super process probably any combo you feed into it and creates from it. But there is a value in the process of composing that I went through to become who I am... I wouldn't want to relinquish that...I don't even understand how AI really works and makes aesthetic choices...I would love to use it to make my mock-ups sound that realistic sure...I wish without having to master a DAWI could get something that sounds like what you produced...but I don't want it composing for me.
What kind of AI program did you use to create this kind of sound?
NOT YET
Sounds like PINKY ZUKERMAN. ¿?
this violin playing sound sort of "old fashioned" to me. It's "classical" but the style is middle 20th century.
Holy jesus😂 why I'm practicing really
Wait for a year and then all the music is only composed by ai
it is really pretty, I wouldn't mind it steaming through my Alexa, but on stage? never
Classical music is live music, AI can't replicate dozens of highly qualified musicians interacting live together. Luckily... So I say no. When it comes to recordings: Recordings were killed long ago since nothing is really "live" anymore.
I don't think recordings were killed due to editing. You can't create good playing with editing, bad playing perpetually stays bad, no matter how many errors are fixed. The recordings of Glenn Gould are some of the most important things I have experienced in my life. They're edited, and they're not a live experience. I would take those with me over 100 good live concerts I've been to. So we all have our own priorities, of course. For those simply interested and obsessed with the craft, quality, and how it all works, this experiment calls into question how (not) creative we all are, and how things we thought were nuanced secrets might actually be algorithmic. Being able to "solve great violin playing" means there's probably no limit to what it could solve -- yes, I think eventually it'll easily replicate any number of great players interacting together in an incredible, dynamic and beautiful ways. Not a live experience, but neither is listening to Heifetz. And you can imagine the quality of sound increases, and an AI-tuned surround system sounds very close to a live experience. Not live, but in terms of "experience" and "quality", it starts to get quite crazy, hypothetically, if quality and music itself is the interest. I don't know...just some thoughts :) time will tell...
AI can never create life violin music..
It has no rhythm, no progression, no structure, no logic, no theme, no message. It's pretty, though--very beautiful, sometimes uncannily approaching the effect of profundity.
see Walter Benjamin The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction, 1935
Do you think that his concept of Aura still applies here? It was perfectly suited to describe pop art and the democratization of art as a commodity. It feels like this is the beginnings of a different realm, one that we are not necessarily equipped philosophically to deal with.
@@DanielKurganov different... like what?
He said AI composed the music. Isn't that creating?
It is *generating* not creating, having stolen centuries long hard work of artists, putting billions in the pockets of AI companies, rendering all artists irrelevant.
@@Zareh_Abrahamian I stole centuries of hard work of artists to learn how to play and I put (not billions) in my pockets hoping to make my competition irrelevant :)
@@DanielKurganov Me too! You brought your share on the table having "stolen" from those works like Vivaldi >> Bach >> Beethoven >> Chopin >> Rachmaninoff >> Shostakovitch, etc. who "stole" from their predecessors yet each brought their own share, changing the world. I only _desperately_ hope AI will not be able to figure out that kind of progress otherwise we are screwed for real.
No, it didn‘t. :-) Of course impressive at first 30 sec. Listening…then boring.
I put this thought under every AI related video I watch: I believe AI will deprive humans of the *creative process* turning them into cucumbers. After 40000 years or so of making art humanity has decided to retire its brain and this is extremely agonizing (to me at least).
ehhh the way I see it, only SOME of humanity was making art over the last 40k years. OTHERS were busy turning into cucumbers, and AI had nothing to do with it. And it was all happening concurrently (source: history). for beings with consciousness there's always been the choice between creativity and cucumber, and also there's usually some type of historical tech wave that looks big enough to project creative frustrations onto. "but this one is different!!" say the ones inclined toward cucumberhood. if AI ever reaches what we'd call consciousness, then congrats AI, now you too get to choose between creativity and cucumber.
@@James_Jaffe I know that not everyone was creative in those millennia, let me reproduce part of a post I just typed under a different video that I think will cover the ideas you are putting forward and the real reason of my worry over the fate of my fellow humans:
My point is, and I repeat it in almost every post, AI deprives us of the *creative process* turning humanity into morons. Everything that came before allowed control over the result, this does not. Anyone with absolute Kelvin zero idea of any imaginable creative area can have AI generate anything by typing (soon talking, in a few years sending brain waves) a few words. As far as those people it is OK. But when creative people also start resorting to AI to "get the job done faster", then it is sure they will become lazier and lazier to a point where humanity will wonder once people could draw, write poetry, novels, music, computer code, design watches, cars, clothes, bridges, logos, websites, etc., etc.
Well, if you can draw it is part of how you express yourself so even an AI can draw too, it won't express what I want to at the time. So no worries
@@Zareh_Abrahamian thanks for this reply, it does cover a lot more ground.Yep I agree that right now AI is being used as a tool, a shortcut, to "get the job done faster" with less control over the final result. This video 👆is a perfect example. Right now it's easy for a professional musician like me to hear where the shortcuts didn't work (tinny low-bitrate sound, poor compositional craftsmanship), but of course I know tools get better over time, so I will not be surprised if one day AI can write a "better" string quartet than Beethoven, for instance. My point is, if any of that scares me I AM READY TO BECOME A CUCUMBER. But - I know creativity is bigger than mastering one specific process. Sometimes I like to use a convenient shortcut to help me get the job done faster. For instance, I'm pretty proud of the sound I make on the cello, it took me years of practice and experience to get there. But that whole time I was practicing, I was actually being LAZY or I was deprived of the creative process because I learned using a cello made by someone else, and strings manufactured in a factory, instead of learning how to make my own instrument by hand and manufacturing my own strings. Instrument-making and string-making are art forms that require entire lifetimes to understand, and if I really spent the time to learn all that, I would have so much more CONTROL over the final sound coming out of the cello, it could be exactly what I wanted. Assuming I could also spend the same amount of time practicing, but oops I can't. And then for electronic/pop/rock/hip-hop music, the artist can just drop a CELLO SAMPLE into Ableton rather than hiring someone like me to record my special sound. Does that mean electronic music is all for cucumbers? Not to my ear - some of it is truly inspired even when using those type of "shortcuts." So I for sure believe that AI will CHANGE creative processes, but true art will always show the characteristic of "disturbing the comfortable and comforting the disturbed," and I still don't see where any tool or shortcut can remove creativity from consciousness.
@@James_Jaffe I sincerely hope you are right. The example about manufacturing tools is not really comparable whit all AI is robbing us of. Practicing your cello as creative process is still there. I also am not 100% happy with my guitar, but I don't have time to become a luthier. However, the practicing and making music is what keeps me going. We will see if in the future AI will allow artists to have more control, like hearing a melody in your head and having AI reproduce it exactly through sending brain waves... For now I simply can't see the silver lining.
Technically perfect, beautiful playing, but totally rambling, boring structure. Not a tune I can remember within five minutes of hearing it. I'd rather hear and see a live violinist who makes the occasional crunch, squawk or out of tune note than a mechanized one. When we start seeing Elon Musk's robots playing the violin, it's time to get out a sledgehammer!!!
The longer I listen, the more I get bored. The music is aimless, senseless. Just an empty gesture. "Fast food".If AI will be able to surprise me and create meaning one day then there is real concurrence to the human mind. Until now you can feel it is cheating.
I don't see the point... Sounds perfect for elevators