LOL. Safe indeed. My question is will A.I Bach be nuanced to the degree multiple interpretations become feasible? Bach’s genius is multifaceted. Think of Gould vs Schiff or Perahia and how they differ. We have no trouble identifying the score; we struggle to anticipate how these three gents will play this of that passage based on the score. We are better at anticipating Gould. Schiff and Perahia base on their known performance practices. That’s 😮more difficult but feasible plus or minus. Not Bach. Bach’s inventiveness is stunning. We analyze his scores retrospectively - it all makes sense after we know what he did compositionally. It will take time for BachCBT to get to that level of invention. BachCBT has a way to go 😊
@@JoePalau In Bach melodies aren't just there to sound nice or intricate. His music ALWAYS serves a higher purpose and addresses the intellectual, emotional and spritual dimension simultaneously. GPT neither understands nor experiences the human condition. In that regard A.I. is still is as dumb as my old pocket calculator from the 80s and it reminds us once again that the human brain is way more than just an information processing machine.
Well there was Burt Bach a r a c h And of course The Bach ~ manTurnerOverdrive Distant cousins, I know, but AI should be able to figure out how they are similar, right?
“..mostly move in parallel motion, another characteristic of Bach’s style..” This is where it all went off the rails, I think. That is opposite of Bach’s style. In counterpoint, parallel motion is only permitted in certain circumstances. It must only occur between thirds and sixths and their inversions. Fifths and octaves, which always begin and end the piece, and should appear less often than thirds and sixths, can only be approached by contrary or oblique motion. For this and many other reasons, it will be rare to find very lengthy sections of parallel motion in a Bach song.
@@progbarock Is it a child that makes these videos?? (How is it that he knows about every movie from the ‘80’s?? Lol! It’s possible though!) Well, there was a book on counterpoint that Beethoven and Mozart and Chopin and most of the greats studied when they were all children, called Gradus ad Parnassum. If it really is a kid that makes these, if he’s smart enough to figure out how to use all this AI tech, he’d probably be able to understand it too. The rules of counterpoint aren’t all that complicated, they were just out of fashion when we were kids. But like 1980’s movies, they seem to be making a well deserved comeback.
Ohh, I see what you mean. GPT is the child, not the guy who makes these videos. Lol.. Yeah, it’s kind of surprising that GPT is even able to generate melodies as good as this. But in fact, when it said it made a harmony with parallel motion, it really was parallel motion. So who knows, maybe it could learn more sophisticated harmonies if it were trained on them.
I need to point out one thing. You say thirds, sixths and their inversions, which is just plain wrong, because thirds and sixths are their respective inversions already haha. If you want to correct it...if not I can't say I really care lol
In your prompts to ChatGPT, tell it to include more rest beats at various places in each of the tracks it is creating. Also, why not ask it to generate a third variable for each note and have that variable be velocity (or loudness)?
This is one of the reasons why music is my passion, it brings together all the many different aspects of the human experience in a special complex way which is far and beyond machine learning capabilities .
@@harryturner9304 hmm I think at best it may eventually be possible to do a weak imitation which will sound quite accurate only to the untrained ear. Machines don't have consciousness or emotion, and theyre crucial for creating complex music like Bach's. Human creativity involves much more than computations and imitation, especially in music, and remember imitation isn't really intelligence. They won't be able to add to the works of bach or say a band like radiohead, only in a superficial way which fools people who have a shallow understanding. But of course one way to fake success is by first dumbing down humanity, as big tech has been doing for the last decade.
Keep in mind that ChatGPT wasn't made to be used in this way of for this purpose. If people made an AI to specificaly generate MIDI music, it would be much better.
@@nickgreefpool chat gp is one of the weaker AI, it's basically just a smarter search engine than Google. The point is if they invested all resources into trying to clone bach they couldn't because they can't create conscious A.I .
Oh the progress! I remember being at university in 1982 when my former piano teacher showed up with a computer - & demonstrated how he could play along to it - to practice difficult phrases, etc. And today - you could have ChatGPT play anything in the world almost, plus with any kind of accompaniment - amd you’d not have to spend hours coding a single 8 bit melody line. It’s fairly amazing…
I'm impressed that you went the hard route and invented your own language for this. There is already a text-based notation for music. It's called "ABC" (I know, a very strange name). And there are even command line tools that convert ABC notation directly to MIDI. And yes, ChatGPT knows ABC notation very well. I've used it to do exactly what you've outlined above, and it's very fast.
Seeing this video, I just realized that ChatGPT has been used for decades by Philip Glass to obtain his creations, and the reason why they are completely devoid of humanity
Brilliant!!!!! Well done sir!!! I love your graphic style, your comedic timing and editing, your taste in music, and your curiosity that drives you. You cover so many topics simultaneously. You are giving a little bit of music history and theory with historic thru modem artists that are perfectly picked, and you are showing everyone how to push the limits of what A.I. can do. Can’t wait for the next one!
Someone, sooner or later, was going to write the Einstein equations - the ideas underlying Relativity went back at least to Galileo. It just happens that the Einstein equations were written by Einstein. But nobody apart from J.S. Bach was going to write the intro to Cantata 29 - Wir danken dir, Gott, wir danken dir. Look it up and have a listen. Likewise, if Beethoven had died before completing any of his landmark symphonies (#3, #5, #9), nobody else would have been able to write them' This video shows me that, whatever we may try to fabricate as musical forms, they can only be the results of programming. Worth doing, but not convincing.
I'm baffled as to why this video doesn't boast millions of views. It's a gold mine of stellar content, with extraordinary editing and spellbinding storytelling. It's my sincere hope that your subscriber count skyrockets 20-fold. This is premium content. Thank you. Keep rocking!
because its a niche topic, and its a low effort video with AI generated pics, video clips, script, TTS, etc. your own comment sounds like it was made by chatgpt. pretty soon we'll all be watching 100% ai generated content, and most of the comments will be AI generated as well. simulation theory is real, we're seeing it come to fruition right now.
@@LordConstrobuz lol I got the same feeling about this OP. After reading through a bunch, it wouldn't surprise me to find out most of the comments here aren't from legit users. Using bots to add traffic to a video to boost its reach is a big no no on YT, but I don't care enough to gather the evidence for it and report the video. Small time channel isn't worth the effort. Definitely a bizarro comment section though..
People who have any idea about creating music stay away from AI. Why? Because in music the process is important, emotional transfer that happens only when you create the music yourself
I’ve been waiting for a video like this for a long time and thanks to a mention in a podcast I just saw it. I find it incredible that you pulled this off. We’re on the brink of so many exciting developments and this video will prove to be quintessential I believe. Please keep up the good work and keep developing this train of thought further and further!
Having played violin from grades 2-12, I played a lot of Bach. This AI attempt is amazing, but in its current state it sounds like Bach might have sounded if he was composing at age 6. It’s very challenging in art or music to write a prompt that gets AI to capture the emotion, the feel, the energy, the power of Bach. You’ve done a good job in getting close, but those years in orchestra, in which a musician is surrounded by the sound, provide a stark contrast. A friend of mine, a classical musician, won a lifetime Grammy for 50 years of performing and recording. Regarding Bach, he once told me, Bach transposes keys incredibly quickly. I don’t have ears to hear that, but it’s just part of the greatest genius of music composition. Keep working at it and I look forward to your progress.
Gold. I love the perversity of using clunky, unsuitable Chat GPT for the job, when there’s decades of successful work on the synthesis of musical style.
I actually think that using GPT like this is the secret sauce and honestly a much more advanced way of generating music with AI compared to Google's MusicLM and the other one i forget what its called
@@joey4track I was actually thinking of David Cope's work. N&tC use of text to force Chat GPT to write music is brilliant, even though the results are for now unsurprisingly shoddy.
You know who else is said to have written over 1000 pieces of music and was born before Bach? Vivaldi, the unsung hero of the baroque era. Forget the four seasons, he wrote so many stunning pieces music.
Don't get me started on Vivaldi's lack of appreciation lol. I've played a ton of his pieces and was surprised by how unknown he was to the rest of the non-musical world.
I think it mainly missed some feed to gpt about modulation and borrowed harmonies to start being interesting. GPT stays in key, while bach introduces related key harmonies very quickly as soon as measure 2-3 as the first counterpoint appears
As someone who has spent a week of research on bach's fugues, as soon as ChatGPT said Bach often used parallel motion I knew we were in for a ride lmao
Why so much parallel motion? Bach uses a lot of oblique and contrary motion, with considerable variation in note duration, and manipulation of motifs including inversion an so on
Heard an episode of RadioLab where some researchers already did this using AI (machine learning) roughly a decade ago. They then played the composition at a concert and the audience couldn't tell it wasn't really a genuine Bach piece.
very cool, thanks for the video! and how profound bach's music really is - the human element, imagination and overall facility is irreplaceable even in a world of flourishing technology.
Your videos are intimidatingly great. The topics. The edits. Production. Humor. The process. And the outcome. Sincerest slow clap for what you're doing 👏😊
well...asking it to compose something that sounds like bach is like asking it to design something that flies like the saturn v -- maybe if it had a lot more time at its disposal. also i don't know how it got the idea bach liked 5ths and parallel motion :). the first example would sound more bach-ish if one of the lines was turned upside down. would probably sound better that way with the latin percussion too...
"it will be rare to find very lengthy sections of parallel motion in a Bach song..” Ya, thanks for mentioning this. The big problem with this whole idea is that to be fair to Bach, you would either have to be Him to program ChatGPT's guidelines or be someone who can totally discern his style and background. Normally this would be a genius musicoligist. You have to ask yourself if the person running this experiment has those qualifications. Please do not take this the wrong way and think I am dissing the author of this channel. I have no problem with the process. Just the expectations inplied in the concept.
NOTHING like the REAL BACH - and nothing like a human composer - to derive intellectual and emotional interest. I MAY be laughed off in 50 years after this progresses by leaps and bounds. For now, just gimme inspired variations of some authentic Bach melodies and development. Emulative music will never have the SOUL OF MANKIND. At least --- it won't have mine! ♥♥♥♥
This is the best way to make AI music in its current state, and you are the ONLY person doing this right now. Freaking love your videos man. Thank you so much
Fascinating. Someone who came close to being that impossible "second Bach" was Shostakovich whose 24 Preludes and Fugues composed as an anniversary tribute are often rather more than pastiche and seem like new music Bach might have composed in the late 1950's. Shostakovich was a genius musician but as well as the compositional mastery you can clearly hear the essential human element at work which transcends even the most intense technical skill and mimicry. This "synthetic" music is often very enjoyable to listen to and admirable in its skill but it is missing something impossible to describe but always recognisable - a sense of humanity. Its very abscence is an intriguing even artistic element here. It will be fascinating to hear it evolve.
Considering we are barely off the starting blocks with AI, this is quite amazing. If you think AI's capability to compose music will not continue to improve, you would be mistaken.
Instead of prompting it yourself, can you tell ChatGPT to analyze the music in the Well Tempered Clavier, and then ask it generate the prompts for how to make music that sounds like Bach? It would be interesting to contrast what you think is going on versus what an AI "thinks" is going on in Bach's music, then hear the results.
This is really cool and shows how great of a learning tool ChatGPT can be. It's understandable why working illustrators and copywriters are concerned about AI being used instead of their services (a genuine future threat), when it comes to artistic expression, it's impossible for an AI to compete because of what artistic expression is. In order to compose a masterpiece, not only does the composer need to have an in depth and intuitive understanding of music as it has been analysed over the centuries, but also understand the emotional language of it that is used to express real feeling from one human mind to another. Composers like Bach were able to tap into their unconscious minds while they worked and knew when each note was in it's right place or when a single note was out of place. A composer doesn't need to know why each note, harmony, rest, motif, modulation, contrast, rhythm and so and so on, works the way it does in the context of their piece, they just need to feel what it means. Until we decode the brain in its entirety and understand what consciousness is (2 things that are unlikely to ever happen), AI developers will not be able to create software that can emulate this. The brain is considered to be the most complex thing we've encountered in the universe, including the universe itself if the brain were not a part of it. Any serious neurologist will tell you that the more we learn about the brain the more we learn that we don't know and the less confidence we can have in what we thought we knew. In terms of consciousness, forget it. That's like asking the current ChatGPT to find a way to see and describe the hardware that it's housed in, without providing it with any additional tools or code to do so.
So, the thing is: we don't need to reproduce the whole capacity of the brain and conciousness with AI. We just need to get closer to reproduce what we are able able to perceive. You are right in many aspects, I'm not going agains your arguments. I just think we overestimate our own capacities. For many people, and many things, we are getting quite close to what's enough to be considered to be masterful. It might take some time to reaxh those that can completely absorb Bach's work and feel it emotionally, but what percentage of population is that? For those, they can always rely on humanity, and we always will. But for many practicalities and mundane/repetitive things, we are so, so close.
That was very interesting and appreciate the great effort you put in to make it happen. Bringing Aphex in seemed to add that twist that resulted in a more creative and Bach like piece
Happy to be here for the early steps of your RUclips journey. As a composer I find your approach fascinating and IMO a lot more interesting than having an AI write a straight up piece of music based on a prompt. Congratulations friend, you're about to become a meteor.
I did something similar to this a couple of months ago and got pretty similar results. There is a tool called csv2midi. After we agreed on the format it was fairly easy to do the generations and conversions. I didnt do Bach, but I had it generate chords, pads, drums, melody and a couple of other tracks. It was okay, but it wasn't hugely impressive. That said, it seemed like we are pretty close to a breakthrough with the pipeline. Great video.
Cool technique, using a key prompt to put chatGPT in a specific mindset. I do the same thing, making up linguistic games, and teaching them to chatGPT. Sometimes, I just give a concept of a game and have it write the rules so I can understand the game too.
Amazing... I am more bamboozled that a bamboozled thing having just passed a bamboozled course in a bamboozled way... bamboozledly! But I love what I think you just did! I absolutely am discombobulated but love it!
Amazing collaborative efforts with the machines! Great job with the midi to text coding and then feeding it nibbles of notation to analyze. Perhaps it's time for OpenAI to follow suit and train it with as much music midi as possible, if they haven't begun already.
Been there done that - David Cope's : EMI (Experiments in Musical Intelligence) software has produced works in the style of various composers, some of which have been commercially recorded ranging from short pieces to full-length operas.
I'm brand new to your channel- this is a really cool experiment with Bach's music, but you forgot one important thing... FUGUES! Bach is famous for writing fugues- music where a single melody (or sometimes more) is played over top itself in slightly different harmonies/rhythms to harmonize against itself. Here you have instructed GPT to creat multiple unique melodies, which is cool, and you applied Baroque stylistic rules, but you can't study Bach without the fugue. In the 6th chapter here you created music which, to me, sounds distinctly more Renaissance-esque than Bach. Very cool, but not Bach. Sorry to be such a Bach stan, but I gotta stand up for the goat. Cool video, I subscribed!
Im not sure I think AI getting in to music impresses me much. At least not for me personally. For me music isn’t always entirely about the end product so much. A big component for me is appreciating the talent of the person who wrote or performed it. Maybe where music isn’t appreciated as an art form such as tv jingles etc. but ChatGPT could create the most complete and perfect score ever produced and I wouldn’t feel a thing for it because it would have meaning or achievement attached to it. I’m not big on classical music but I can certainly appreciate the genius and intended emotion that has gone into a movement from some of the greats. When a computer does it then it has just found a pattern and intended no emotion. It would just be empty which for me defeats the purpose of music. Im sure lots of people disagree as I would expect in a comments section
dude this comment is the best thing about the whole video. Honestly, i appreciate the work and research on the AI music thing on this channel, but all the music AI creates sounds so meaningless and cold, i wouldnt even think about putting under an ad video
This a historic video. And as usual under the radar.. I'm a programmer and Nintendo fan. I loved nintendo's midi use which made games sound design more dynamic. Stuff like this could be the path to real time music instead of trying to rely on Nvidia etal making 10000x faster hardware to create WAVs/Mp3s. A LOT of people are just brute forcing the AIs hoping for magic when well thought out implementations like this show that AI doesnt have to be the entire pipeline to achieve powerful results.
Thats essentially the point of the new functions feature in the API. You write tons of useful functions, and give the parameters to the model, and it can call the function directly. So in this example, youd write the funciton, and have the AI call it and automatically write the files, instead of having to copy paste etc. I've already created functions for editing files, writing files, wikidata queries, write multiple files at once, python interpreter, webscraping, etc. It's reallly useful.
But the musical examples aren't powerful results here. A music generation AI needs to understand intervals and chords vertically and horizontally over time. Counterpoint, in other words, is worked out at once.
@@aelfrice This isn't even a midi generation ai model, its a language model taught to output midi. Look at the results he got from such a small "training set". A fully trained model or fine-tuned version of this "hack" would yield more creative, coherent musical pieces.
As Bach had problems with his ears, he was listening to harmonics, that's why he was loving church organs, but you can listen harmonics with a piano with very tiny tuning in order to accentuate harmonics🙏🧡💚
Anyone remember C.P.U. Bach by Sid Meier? It came out in the mid 90's. On the Wikipedia page for it there's a link to the the original patent which may be of interest.
On the channel “score circuit” it describes how creating music from algorithms goes back centuries using dice. More recently in the seventies. Really worth a watch, it is reassuring. The video is called ‘AI music is older than you think’
Very interesting. Thanks for putting this together, it looks like it was a lot of work. Another interesting video about using algorithms and computers to write music is called "AI music is older than you think" on a channel called "Score circuit". It approaches it from a music theory standpoint though.
Add some randomness to it. For example, give AI an irrational number, each bar/measure ties to the number eg 3.143856. Each time 3 comes up - change key, 4 - add counterpoint,1 -Do a chromatic measure. Then you can do things like after key change, each even number, modulate back to tonic. It will be awful, but that's better.
The chatgpt text describing what’s going on is far more impressive than the musical results. It just seems the the application of so much parallel motion is actually antithetical the standard rules of counterpoint.
Interesting how it may all be musically sound and perfectly follow the instructions guided by music theory, yet it still sounds like it was written by either an AI or a teenager who just discovered a midi app and is messing around with it. There's something we're missing when it comes to music. Even the highest quality synthesized music makes you go 'oh that sounds just like real classical music' it doesn't make you have whatever reaction you'd have to a genuine Bach piece because something in you can tell it's just not quite right.
Wow i enjoyed every second of it. well thought out and scripted and GPT has really done a fantastic job. Then again it only goes to show that Bach is the GOAT.
This reminds me of classical players trying their hand at jazz. They often have so little understanding of the stylistic principles of jazz that they can’t detect how far off the mark they are. If this exercise demonstrates how far AI is from being able to generate credible simulacra of classical music, I would say all our old-fashioned methods and jobs are very safe for now.
When I was at Berklee about 6 years ago, I distinctly remember Google coming out with a Google doodle that allowed you to o write a simple melody and Google A.I. was supposed to be able to compose 4 part harmony around it in the style of bach. It was for Bach's 200th birthday or something idk. We tested it out in my harmony class and almost every measure had something wrong with it. Usually it was parallel 4ths, 5ths or octaves. fast forward to today and I guess A.I. has decided, "why not keep everything in C major, that will make life easier" 😂 all the effort and time to go into this video for basically a glorified atpeggiater.
I actually wanted this to work. Are you kidding me! All the work to end up with that? We could have had an endless supply of js Bach music and AI has let me down. Hopefully in the future this actually works
I am a composer, I've learned a Bach Lute Suite, BM in music composition, and synth obsessed. I definitely want to learn how to do this. It made me laugh how far it sounded; to me the second one really had a renaissance vibe, sorta Franco-flemish. I find the images and voices make me somatically uncomfortable for some reason- I feel it in my hands. MIDI instruments do the same. I only want the raw midi data to mess with the written music. I chat with the one that is open source but the information stops at Sept 2021. Maybe it can still do this.
It understands ABC format right out of the box and there are online sites that can convert that notation. That's easier than teaching it simplified midi. In my eown experiments it generated similar melodies. It loves that rising and descending diatonic thirds thing.
At least for the time being, Mr. Bach's legacy is safe.
LOL. Safe indeed. My question is will A.I Bach be nuanced to the degree multiple interpretations become feasible? Bach’s genius is multifaceted. Think of Gould vs Schiff or Perahia and how they differ. We have no trouble identifying the score; we struggle to anticipate how these three gents will play this of that passage based on the score. We are better at anticipating Gould. Schiff and Perahia base on their known performance practices. That’s 😮more difficult but feasible plus or minus. Not Bach. Bach’s inventiveness is stunning. We analyze his scores retrospectively - it all makes sense after we know what he did compositionally. It will take time for BachCBT to get to that level of invention. BachCBT has a way to go 😊
Quite safe! 😂
The legacy will always be safe. Because even a perfect imitation will be just that. Imitation.
…for the time being
@@JoePalau In Bach melodies aren't just there to sound nice or intricate. His music ALWAYS serves a higher purpose and addresses the intellectual, emotional and spritual dimension simultaneously. GPT neither understands nor experiences the human condition.
In that regard A.I. is still is as dumb as my old pocket calculator from the 80s and it reminds us once again that the human brain is way more than just an information processing machine.
A very interesting exploration, which from my point of view illustrates quite nicely why, in the last 300 years, there hasn't been a second Bach.
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Distant cousins, I know, but AI should be able to figure out how they are similar, right?
aphex twin. look up "28 organ"
yep, very boring and lifeless...
Papa Bach is a mountain higher than the Himalayas. No one will ever have the lungs he had.
@@Tyrell_Corp2019 Agreed on that one.
“..mostly move in parallel motion, another characteristic of Bach’s style..” This is where it all went off the rails, I think. That is opposite of Bach’s style. In counterpoint, parallel motion is only permitted in certain circumstances. It must only occur between thirds and sixths and their inversions. Fifths and octaves, which always begin and end the piece, and should appear less often than thirds and sixths, can only be approached by contrary or oblique motion. For this and many other reasons, it will be rare to find very lengthy sections of parallel motion in a Bach song.
Keep in mind you're trying to explain music theory to a child with ChatGPT (I completely agree with you, of course).
@@progbarock Is it a child that makes these videos?? (How is it that he knows about every movie from the ‘80’s?? Lol! It’s possible though!) Well, there was a book on counterpoint that Beethoven and Mozart and Chopin and most of the greats studied when they were all children, called Gradus ad Parnassum. If it really is a kid that makes these, if he’s smart enough to figure out how to use all this AI tech, he’d probably be able to understand it too. The rules of counterpoint aren’t all that complicated, they were just out of fashion when we were kids. But like 1980’s movies, they seem to be making a well deserved comeback.
Ohh, I see what you mean. GPT is the child, not the guy who makes these videos. Lol.. Yeah, it’s kind of surprising that GPT is even able to generate melodies as good as this. But in fact, when it said it made a harmony with parallel motion, it really was parallel motion. So who knows, maybe it could learn more sophisticated harmonies if it were trained on them.
I need to point out one thing. You say thirds, sixths and their inversions, which is just plain wrong, because thirds and sixths are their respective inversions already haha. If you want to correct it...if not I can't say I really care lol
@@timtimtimm Haha, very true!! I actually thought of that as soon as I posted it. What I meant to say was thirds and sixths and their *octaves*.
I love how the human host also sounds and intonates like he's a TTS voice. I can appreciate the stylistic consistency
That’s because he is a tts voice lol.
He's cloned his own voice. Probably with Eleven Labs.
even some of the writing sounds like it was made with AI.
@@CryptoTonight9393 bruh idk what to believe anymore
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In your prompts to ChatGPT, tell it to include more rest beats at various places in each of the tracks it is creating. Also, why not ask it to generate a third variable for each note and have that variable be velocity (or loudness)?
@TheTiredHorizonwhat are they?
I was thinking the same thing, it’s hard to write counterpoint if you aren’t allowed any rests
I mean on a harpsichord (Bach's time) there wouldn't be any written velocity or volume variation
@@artonion420It does use 'None' at least in one reply
This is one of the reasons why music is my passion, it brings together all the many different aspects of the human experience in a special complex way which is far and beyond machine learning capabilities .
Eventually, AI will be able to at least imitate or match the quality of Bach rather successfully. It's naive to think otherwise.
@@harryturner9304 hmm I think at best it may eventually be possible to do a weak imitation which will sound quite accurate only to the untrained ear. Machines don't have consciousness or emotion, and theyre crucial for creating complex music like Bach's. Human creativity involves much more than computations and imitation, especially in music, and remember imitation isn't really intelligence. They won't be able to add to the works of bach or say a band like radiohead, only in a superficial way which fools people who have a shallow understanding. But of course one way to fake success is by first dumbing down humanity, as big tech has been doing for the last decade.
Keep in mind that ChatGPT wasn't made to be used in this way of for this purpose. If people made an AI to specificaly generate MIDI music, it would be much better.
@@nickgreefpool chat gp is one of the weaker AI, it's basically just a smarter search engine than Google. The point is if they invested all resources into trying to clone bach they couldn't because they can't create conscious A.I .
Are u kidding I have over 6000 songs made with ai making me a shitload of money 😂😂😂
ChatGPT is like: Melody goes always up and down, right?
Next level content. The humour, animations and video clips atop the music experiments. Superb !
Oh the progress! I remember being at university in 1982 when my former piano teacher showed up with a computer - & demonstrated how he could play along to it - to practice difficult phrases, etc. And today - you could have ChatGPT play anything in the world almost, plus with any kind of accompaniment - amd you’d not have to spend hours coding a single 8 bit melody line. It’s fairly amazing…
I'm impressed that you went the hard route and invented your own language for this. There is already a text-based notation for music. It's called "ABC" (I know, a very strange name). And there are even command line tools that convert ABC notation directly to MIDI. And yes, ChatGPT knows ABC notation very well. I've used it to do exactly what you've outlined above, and it's very fast.
Seeing this video, I just realized that ChatGPT has been used for decades by Philip Glass to obtain his creations, and the reason why they are completely devoid of humanity
I have to disagree. there is no musicality in these demos, Glass feels right.
Haha very funny indeed.
I agree with your observation. Well said.
A stroke of genius to have Scarlett Johansson be the voice of the AI.
And how one does it?? I'm curious
You are an ion drive, picking up a little energy every day and converting it to speed. You will get us to Mars safely.
most beautiful compliment ive seen
Brilliant!!!!! Well done sir!!! I love your graphic style, your comedic timing and editing, your taste in music, and your curiosity that drives you. You cover so many topics simultaneously. You are giving a little bit of music history and theory with historic thru modem artists that are perfectly picked, and you are showing everyone how to push the limits of what A.I. can do. Can’t wait for the next one!
my feelings exactly! I know a bit of music, and a bit of AI, but this pieces is intense on inspiration!
this is already good enough for video game music 🥺. pretty amazing how far we've come
Someone, sooner or later, was going to write the Einstein equations - the ideas underlying Relativity went back at least to Galileo.
It just happens that the Einstein equations were written by Einstein.
But nobody apart from J.S. Bach was going to write the intro to Cantata 29 - Wir danken dir, Gott, wir danken dir. Look it up and have a listen.
Likewise, if Beethoven had died before completing any of his landmark symphonies (#3, #5, #9), nobody else would have been able to write them'
This video shows me that, whatever we may try to fabricate as musical forms, they can only be the results of programming.
Worth doing, but not convincing.
I'm baffled as to why this video doesn't boast millions of views. It's a gold mine of stellar content, with extraordinary editing and spellbinding storytelling. It's my sincere hope that your subscriber count skyrockets 20-fold. This is premium content. Thank you. Keep rocking!
Bc who gives a shit about chat gpt and the trash it produces
because its a niche topic, and its a low effort video with AI generated pics, video clips, script, TTS, etc. your own comment sounds like it was made by chatgpt. pretty soon we'll all be watching 100% ai generated content, and most of the comments will be AI generated as well. simulation theory is real, we're seeing it come to fruition right now.
@@LordConstrobuz lol I got the same feeling about this OP. After reading through a bunch, it wouldn't surprise me to find out most of the comments here aren't from legit users. Using bots to add traffic to a video to boost its reach is a big no no on YT, but I don't care enough to gather the evidence for it and report the video. Small time channel isn't worth the effort. Definitely a bizarro comment section though..
because it doesn't even remotely sound like Bach at all
People who have any idea about creating music stay away from AI. Why? Because in music the process is important, emotional transfer that happens only when you create the music yourself
I’ve been waiting for a video like this for a long time and thanks to a mention in a podcast I just saw it. I find it incredible that you pulled this off. We’re on the brink of so many exciting developments and this video will prove to be quintessential I believe. Please keep up the good work and keep developing this train of thought further and further!
Having played violin from grades 2-12, I played a lot of Bach. This AI attempt is amazing, but in its current state it sounds like Bach might have sounded if he was composing at age 6. It’s very challenging in art or music to write a prompt that gets AI to capture the emotion, the feel, the energy, the power of Bach. You’ve done a good job in getting close, but those years in orchestra, in which a musician is surrounded by the sound, provide a stark contrast. A friend of mine, a classical musician, won a lifetime Grammy for 50 years of performing and recording. Regarding Bach, he once told me, Bach transposes keys incredibly quickly. I don’t have ears to hear that, but it’s just part of the greatest genius of music composition. Keep working at it and I look forward to your progress.
This sounds nothing like Bach, tbh. Very interesting video, though!
I agree. Very underwhelming. But it’s a start. 😊
It sounds hollow, no emotions, just hollow sound
Gold. I love the perversity of using clunky, unsuitable Chat GPT for the job, when there’s decades of successful work on the synthesis of musical style.
I actually think that using GPT like this is the secret sauce and honestly a much more advanced way of generating music with AI compared to Google's MusicLM and the other one i forget what its called
@@joey4track I was actually thinking of David Cope's work. N&tC use of text to force Chat GPT to write music is brilliant, even though the results are for now unsurprisingly shoddy.
A monumental fail. Even my pet gerbil knows this.
This has been done like decades ago and infinitely better.
You know who else is said to have written over 1000 pieces of music and was born before Bach? Vivaldi, the unsung hero of the baroque era. Forget the four seasons, he wrote so many stunning pieces music.
Don't get me started on Vivaldi's lack of appreciation lol. I've played a ton of his pieces and was surprised by how unknown he was to the rest of the non-musical world.
@@pl4gued0ct0r It's criminal tbh. Juditha Triumphans is my favourite :)
So true, his sacred works are sublime too.
What about Telemann? He was quite productive and wrote some wonderful music, too!
Except No I will not forget
the four seasons.
I think it mainly missed some feed to gpt about modulation and borrowed harmonies to start being interesting. GPT stays in key, while bach introduces related key harmonies very quickly as soon as measure 2-3 as the first counterpoint appears
As someone who has spent a week of research on bach's fugues, as soon as ChatGPT said Bach often used parallel motion I knew we were in for a ride lmao
‘Not so Bach but not so bad’ - favorite 2023 quote
Parallel motion was not characteristic about style, so this is way off right from the
Why so much parallel motion? Bach uses a lot of oblique and contrary motion, with considerable variation in note duration, and manipulation of motifs including inversion an so on
Heard an episode of RadioLab where some researchers already did this using AI (machine learning) roughly a decade ago. They then played the composition at a concert and the audience couldn't tell it wasn't really a genuine Bach piece.
very cool, thanks for the video!
and how profound bach's music really is - the human element, imagination and overall facility is irreplaceable even in a world of flourishing technology.
Your videos are intimidatingly great. The topics. The edits. Production. Humor. The process. And the outcome. Sincerest slow clap for what you're doing 👏😊
well...asking it to compose something that sounds like bach is like asking it to design something that flies like the saturn v -- maybe if it had a lot more time at its disposal. also i don't know how it got the idea bach liked 5ths and parallel motion :). the first example would sound more bach-ish if one of the lines was turned upside down. would probably sound better that way with the latin percussion too...
Wow, Scarlett Johansson has never sounded so disinterested in something... and that's saying something.
I respectfully disagree, this is standard Scarlett Jo tone.
"it will be rare to find very lengthy sections of parallel motion in a Bach song..”
Ya, thanks for mentioning this. The big problem with this whole idea is that to be fair to Bach, you would either have to be Him to program ChatGPT's guidelines or be someone who can totally discern his style and background. Normally this would be a genius musicoligist. You have to ask yourself if the person running this experiment has those qualifications. Please do not take this the wrong way and think I am dissing the author of this channel. I have no problem with the process. Just the expectations inplied in the concept.
NOTHING like the REAL BACH - and nothing like a human composer - to derive intellectual and emotional interest. I MAY be laughed off in 50 years after this progresses by leaps and bounds. For now, just gimme inspired variations of some authentic Bach melodies and development. Emulative music will never have the SOUL OF MANKIND. At least --- it won't have mine!
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top 10 best uses of Eleven labs. well done
This is the best way to make AI music in its current state, and you are the ONLY person doing this right now. Freaking love your videos man. Thank you so much
Why is it the best way?
@@PiPiSquared Because the other two big ai music models still don't sound very good at all and don't really follow prompts very well either
this is utter dogshit and probably the worst way to generate music. nor is this person the only one making generated music
I bet Microsoft will see this video, automate, spice up, and you will have Midi productions in Bing! Bard will come next (or a minute earlier) :)
Unreal, on so many levels. Thank you for this. Big fan of Bach's work and loving being able to see what AI can do, it blows my mind!
you're crushing it, keep pushing my friend!
Fascinating. Someone who came close to being that impossible "second Bach" was Shostakovich whose 24 Preludes and Fugues composed as an anniversary tribute are often rather more than pastiche and seem like new music Bach might have composed in the late 1950's. Shostakovich was a genius musician but as well as the compositional mastery you can clearly hear the essential human element at work which transcends even the most intense technical skill and mimicry. This "synthetic" music is often very enjoyable to listen to and admirable in its skill but it is missing something impossible to describe but always recognisable - a sense of humanity. Its very abscence is an intriguing even artistic element here. It will be fascinating to hear it evolve.
Sitting here with popcorn trying to figure out how many years/months my composition career has left 🍿
Considering we are barely off the starting blocks with AI, this is quite amazing. If you think AI's capability to compose music will not continue to improve, you would be mistaken.
Thanks for using an AI version of Scarlett Johannson's voice to speak the Chat GPT answers.
came here looking for this comment. the voice is perfect!
ScarJo is my 2nd fave AI voice. After Pee-wee Herman.
how to use AI scarlett voice?
J. S. Bach was obviously much smarter than modern AI.
Instead of prompting it yourself, can you tell ChatGPT to analyze the music in the Well Tempered Clavier, and then ask it generate the prompts for how to make music that sounds like Bach? It would be interesting to contrast what you think is going on versus what an AI "thinks" is going on in Bach's music, then hear the results.
Video production is fire. Sounds weird and wonderful.
This is really cool and shows how great of a learning tool ChatGPT can be. It's understandable why working illustrators and copywriters are concerned about AI being used instead of their services (a genuine future threat), when it comes to artistic expression, it's impossible for an AI to compete because of what artistic expression is. In order to compose a masterpiece, not only does the composer need to have an in depth and intuitive understanding of music as it has been analysed over the centuries, but also understand the emotional language of it that is used to express real feeling from one human mind to another. Composers like Bach were able to tap into their unconscious minds while they worked and knew when each note was in it's right place or when a single note was out of place. A composer doesn't need to know why each note, harmony, rest, motif, modulation, contrast, rhythm and so and so on, works the way it does in the context of their piece, they just need to feel what it means. Until we decode the brain in its entirety and understand what consciousness is (2 things that are unlikely to ever happen), AI developers will not be able to create software that can emulate this. The brain is considered to be the most complex thing we've encountered in the universe, including the universe itself if the brain were not a part of it. Any serious neurologist will tell you that the more we learn about the brain the more we learn that we don't know and the less confidence we can have in what we thought we knew. In terms of consciousness, forget it. That's like asking the current ChatGPT to find a way to see and describe the hardware that it's housed in, without providing it with any additional tools or code to do so.
So, the thing is: we don't need to reproduce the whole capacity of the brain and conciousness with AI. We just need to get closer to reproduce what we are able able to perceive. You are right in many aspects, I'm not going agains your arguments.
I just think we overestimate our own capacities. For many people, and many things, we are getting quite close to what's enough to be considered to be masterful. It might take some time to reaxh those that can completely absorb Bach's work and feel it emotionally, but what percentage of population is that?
For those, they can always rely on humanity, and we always will. But for many practicalities and mundane/repetitive things, we are so, so close.
That was very interesting and appreciate the great effort you put in to make it happen. Bringing Aphex in seemed to add that twist that resulted in a more creative and Bach like piece
All of the rules, none of the soul.
What ghastly melodies, for a start.
Fascinating.
That a sick name for a new AI album: "BachGpt the midi well tempered"
Loved the composition at 11:30. Great work.
Happy to be here for the early steps of your RUclips journey. As a composer I find your approach fascinating and IMO a lot more interesting than having an AI write a straight up piece of music based on a prompt. Congratulations friend, you're about to become a meteor.
burn up and crash to the ground?
@@marfaxaShooting star.
I did something similar to this a couple of months ago and got pretty similar results. There is a tool called csv2midi. After we agreed on the format it was fairly easy to do the generations and conversions. I didnt do Bach, but I had it generate chords, pads, drums, melody and a couple of other tracks. It was okay, but it wasn't hugely impressive. That said, it seemed like we are pretty close to a breakthrough with the pipeline. Great video.
This is the way, ...take a catchy melody and make variations with AI
Fascinating. Enjoy the creative journey and travel on the path that best suits you, not your critics.
Cool technique, using a key prompt to put chatGPT in a specific mindset. I do the same thing, making up linguistic games, and teaching them to chatGPT. Sometimes, I just give a concept of a game and have it write the rules so I can understand the game too.
The best part of all this, is the Scarlet Johansson voice clone
Was just about to comment on that. Great you noticed it too! Her voicing to the AI’s text was just awesome.
another master piece once again! glad to be part of the nobodies collective
Why algorithm! Have I not drank from this fountain before?
Bach is one thing, but no ai can replicate the emotional impact of Ryo Kawasaki's music for Fumetsu no Anata e.
Amazing... I am more bamboozled that a bamboozled thing having just passed a bamboozled course in a bamboozled way... bamboozledly! But I love what I think you just did! I absolutely am discombobulated but love it!
That is an extraordinary process. The end result.had something, perseverance pays off.
Amazing collaborative efforts with the machines! Great job with the midi to text coding and then feeding it nibbles of notation to analyze. Perhaps it's time for OpenAI to follow suit and train it with as much music midi as possible, if they haven't begun already.
"Not so bach but not so bad." Lovely line!
Been there done that - David Cope's : EMI (Experiments in Musical Intelligence) software has produced works in the style of various composers, some of which have been commercially recorded ranging from short pieces to full-length operas.
I'm brand new to your channel- this is a really cool experiment with Bach's music, but you forgot one important thing... FUGUES! Bach is famous for writing fugues- music where a single melody (or sometimes more) is played over top itself in slightly different harmonies/rhythms to harmonize against itself. Here you have instructed GPT to creat multiple unique melodies, which is cool, and you applied Baroque stylistic rules, but you can't study Bach without the fugue. In the 6th chapter here you created music which, to me, sounds distinctly more Renaissance-esque than Bach. Very cool, but not Bach. Sorry to be such a Bach stan, but I gotta stand up for the goat. Cool video, I subscribed!
Im not sure I think AI getting in to music impresses me much. At least not for me personally. For me music isn’t always entirely about the end product so much. A big component for me is appreciating the talent of the person who wrote or performed it. Maybe where music isn’t appreciated as an art form such as tv jingles etc. but ChatGPT could create the most complete and perfect score ever produced and I wouldn’t feel a thing for it because it would have meaning or achievement attached to it. I’m not big on classical music but I can certainly appreciate the genius and intended emotion that has gone into a movement from some of the greats. When a computer does it then it has just found a pattern and intended no emotion. It would just be empty which for me defeats the purpose of music. Im sure lots of people disagree as I would expect in a comments section
dude this comment is the best thing about the whole video. Honestly, i appreciate the work and research on the AI music thing on this channel, but all the music AI creates sounds so meaningless and cold, i wouldnt even think about putting under an ad video
@@Christophchen agreed. AI music is a bit of a curiosity and interesting that it can do it, but is missing the entire point of music.
honestly most top charts "artists" are as soul-less as AI generated music.
Agreed. AI will always be missing the keys to truly connect with us.
@@knoopxnailed it.
Request?
Something like:
Music for 18 musicians
or
Music for a large ensemble
by
Steve Reich
This a historic video. And as usual under the radar.. I'm a programmer and Nintendo fan. I loved nintendo's midi use which made games sound design more dynamic. Stuff like this could be the path to real time music instead of trying to rely on Nvidia etal making 10000x faster hardware to create WAVs/Mp3s. A LOT of people are just brute forcing the AIs hoping for magic when well thought out implementations like this show that AI doesnt have to be the entire pipeline to achieve powerful results.
Thats essentially the point of the new functions feature in the API. You write tons of useful functions, and give the parameters to the model, and it can call the function directly. So in this example, youd write the funciton, and have the AI call it and automatically write the files, instead of having to copy paste etc.
I've already created functions for editing files, writing files, wikidata queries, write multiple files at once, python interpreter, webscraping, etc. It's reallly useful.
But the musical examples aren't powerful results here.
A music generation AI needs to understand intervals and chords vertically and horizontally over time. Counterpoint, in other words, is worked out at once.
@@aelfrice This isn't even a midi generation ai model, its a language model taught to output midi. Look at the results he got from such a small "training set". A fully trained model or fine-tuned version of this "hack" would yield more creative, coherent musical pieces.
One of the best vdos I've seen in years!! Beautifully done, sir!
Is it just me - the voice annotating ChatGPT is ScarJo ?!?!
Absolutely her! Just as in Her
Hello, great video!!
Small note: Major Second is dissonant, Minor third is consonant
Ohh, This would play nice with the new functions feature, have it write the midis directly
Can somebody please point to the (open) source of the "Wohl temperierte Klavier'' in Midi or musical abc-notation.
This is first video in this channel. I am mind blown as a 11 year musician. Thank you 🙏
Rock on!
Nobody dropping another brilliant aesthetic video
As Bach had problems with his ears, he was listening to harmonics, that's why he was loving church organs, but you can listen harmonics with a piano with very tiny tuning in order to accentuate harmonics🙏🧡💚
Anyone remember C.P.U. Bach by Sid Meier? It came out in the mid 90's. On the Wikipedia page for it there's a link to the the original patent which may be of interest.
wow this is so stimulating, thanks 4 all U'r hard work!
On the channel “score circuit” it describes how creating music from algorithms goes back centuries using dice. More recently in the seventies. Really worth a watch, it is reassuring. The video is called ‘AI music is older than you think’
Very interesting. Thanks for putting this together, it looks like it was a lot of work. Another interesting video about using algorithms and computers to write music is called "AI music is older than you think" on a channel called "Score circuit". It approaches it from a music theory standpoint though.
Add some randomness to it. For example, give AI an irrational number, each bar/measure ties to the number eg 3.143856. Each time 3 comes up - change key, 4 - add counterpoint,1 -Do a chromatic measure. Then you can do things like after key change, each even number, modulate back to tonic. It will be awful, but that's better.
The chatgpt text describing what’s going on is far more impressive than the musical results. It just seems the the application of so much parallel motion is actually antithetical the standard rules of counterpoint.
Interesting how it may all be musically sound and perfectly follow the instructions guided by music theory, yet it still sounds like it was written by either an AI or a teenager who just discovered a midi app and is messing around with it. There's something we're missing when it comes to music. Even the highest quality synthesized music makes you go 'oh that sounds just like real classical music' it doesn't make you have whatever reaction you'd have to a genuine Bach piece because something in you can tell it's just not quite right.
this video gave me this unsettling feeling that from now on internet will always be more real than reality
your video is much better than the poor simulation gpt created.
It started from Wes Anderson, meandering with Stanley Kubrick, then Dr Who playing all the white keys while eating fish sticks in custard....
Wow i enjoyed every second of it. well thought out and scripted and GPT has really done a fantastic job. Then again it only goes to show that Bach is the GOAT.
“Move in parallel motion” (3:43) is NOT a characteristic of Bach.
Your enthusiasm is contagious!
9:32 is that johanson voice?
If it comes up with a masterpiece then I will be impressed.
This reminds me of classical players trying their hand at jazz. They often have so little understanding of the stylistic principles of jazz that they can’t detect how far off the mark they are.
If this exercise demonstrates how far AI is from being able to generate credible simulacra of classical music, I would say all our old-fashioned methods and jobs are very safe for now.
When I was at Berklee about 6 years ago, I distinctly remember Google coming out with a Google doodle that allowed you to o write a simple melody and Google A.I. was supposed to be able to compose 4 part harmony around it in the style of bach. It was for Bach's 200th birthday or something idk. We tested it out in my harmony class and almost every measure had something wrong with it. Usually it was parallel 4ths, 5ths or octaves. fast forward to today and I guess A.I. has decided, "why not keep everything in C major, that will make life easier" 😂 all the effort and time to go into this video for basically a glorified atpeggiater.
Your videos are awesome. I love how it is all ai generated content and your style is fun. Thanks
Really interesting approach. On a side, it's really funny how ChatGPT chosen voice have more "signing" fluctuations than OP's monotone voice.
I actually wanted this to work. Are you kidding me! All the work to end up with that? We could have had an endless supply of js Bach music and AI has let me down. Hopefully in the future this actually works
Thanks for this video. It demonstrates very good, how GPT can be teached and instructed to create interesting things.
I am a composer, I've learned a Bach Lute Suite, BM in music composition, and synth obsessed. I definitely want to learn how to do this. It made me laugh how far it sounded; to me the second one really had a renaissance vibe, sorta Franco-flemish. I find the images and voices make me somatically uncomfortable for some reason- I feel it in my hands. MIDI instruments do the same. I only want the raw midi data to mess with the written music. I chat with the one that is open source but the information stops at Sept 2021. Maybe it can still do this.
It understands ABC format right out of the box and there are online sites that can convert that notation. That's easier than teaching it simplified midi. In my eown experiments it generated similar melodies. It loves that rising and descending diatonic thirds thing.
When an ai is able to make music, that ai will be sentient. Music must be be felt. It is more than notes on a page.