Dammit man.... you guys(commentors) are hardcore, busting some Navy Seal ass with jokes. I can't stop laughing....... unless one of those tough bastards walks in the room. Then it ain't fuckin' funny.... you guys.
My Uncle was the E6 Air Force guy on the mission. Happened a few years before I was born, but still spoken of highly in our family. Good stuff to hear lessons were learned and applied from this.
Eric Haney, one of the first DELTA operators and who would eventually become the Sergeant Major of same , included a harrowing tale of his participation in Operation Eagle Claw in his book "Inside Delta Force". Incidentally, Haney was an Army Ranger before moving to Delta.
Not surprisingly, the child who is struggling with spelling, grammar, and sentence structure is criticizing a legitimate author. Your resentment over the fact that you have no stories of your own is obvious to everyone.
Thanks, great to hear more details about Eagle Claw. I knew an airman who was present on the mission; pretty emotional to hear him tell what he experienced.
one of the takeaways was also the need for a long range, high speed air transport vehicle that can land vertically...which finally culminated into the V-22 (at least has in-flight refueling)
@6:08, I was living in Yuma Proving Ground at the time. At night, the base would lose power and you'd hear choppers (w/o any lights). It was the Delta and Army aviators practicing on the mockup of the embassy in the desert. As I recall from COL Beckwith's book, the Marine pilots wanted a piece of the action and was a late substitute for Army avaiators. But as mentioned, 160th SOAR was created so it would never happen again. Also....LOVED the books.
I’ve read all his books. 👍. My favorite parts are actually when they’re training and prepping for a mission and what they go through. Setting up simulations. Choosing and working with the different weapons they will use. Getting it all down like clockwork to the millisecond. Making sure it is a well oiled machine firing on all cylinders and taking all contingencies into account.
The failure of that mission is because each branch of the military wanted a part of the mission. Marines didn’t have a part so the generals had them use marine helicopters. Delta could not use there experienced army pilots that they trained with since Vietnam. Which is why Joint Special Operations Command was created, to keep other generals out of the planning. Also why the Army’s special operations aviation 160th was created, so they could use the same pilots they train with.
@@seandlax9 Before 9/11, the Marines didn't want to be part of JSOC. They didn't want Marines to be taken away from Marine missions. When your part of JSOC, your unit pretty much belongs to them. After 9/11, they changed there mind because all the top missions were going to JSOC. The Marines missed out on all of those missions. Again, generals wanting a piece of that pie, wanting Marines to participate, so MARSOC was made. Some Force Recon units were turned into MARSOC and pulled away from Marine missions. There was no real need to add another SF unit in JSOC. Again, generals wanting a piece of that pie, and Marines don't have to add it to there budget, JSOC can now pay for the MARSOC gear and training now.
@@irvin325 That's all true, but it was a combination of this and the USMC not wanting to cooperate combined into Force Recon being pretty much neglected by the SOF community until post 9/11 when USMC brass finally got it through their head that they had to contribute to JSOC any meaningful participation.
no, it's overconfidence. It wasn't erroneous, it was a mistake (different things). They thought this would work, there wasn't an 'accident.' Talk shit, get hit.
The Plan had too many moving parts. It predicated on long term stealth with the HOPE of surprise and the potential for violence of action. It also predicated on VERY limited inter-branch training between Army, Air Force and Marines. And the training they did have was limited in scope to their specific job they'd perform, without any consideration of contingencies or operational set backs. JSOC and 160th SOAR(A) were created precisely for the capacity in conducting operations, with interagency, to better facilitate multirole operations and missions without fucking up like they did in 1979.
I worked on Operation Eagle Claw as an intell specialist back in 1980. My unit provided the satellite imagery for the planning of that operations. We worked in an underground vault on Offutt AFB, the 544th TMS. This was the time we were transitioning from film being dropped from a satellite to digital, the first Google Earth. We compiled historic film imagery and the new satellite with digital imagery was tasked with updating critical imagery for that mission. Unfortunately folks died on the ground in that mission. Only real time project I worked on while in the military.
@@KVSWF no. I was an intell guy working on the Sat Imagery collection and analysis team. We had the entire library of all TS sat imagery in our vault and pieced together images that helped plan the mission. Digital sat imagery was just beginning. Everything was still on film. Interesting side note, after Reagan won the election some of the freed hostages who had TS clearances toured our vault and I got to meet two or three of them. They thanked us for our efforts. It was a pretty cool moment for me because I was an E-3 at the time.
I still want to see the book covering the "guys on the ground". There was another recently that actually acknowledged meadows' team, but didn't really get deep into their insertions, actions, and exfils. That would be an excellent read.
Seals have more photo shoots than a sports illustrated model. Operation Eagle Claw failed because of the lack of Special Operations Aviation. That failure is why the Army created the 160 Special operations aviation Reg. The mission failure had nothing to do with DELTA.
To be fair, the plan as conceived was the most viable one: looking at a map, eastern Iran was sparsely populated frontier, and thus reduced chance of detection at infiltration, and the location of Tehran necessitated a southern approach. It was a combination of inexperience and lack of coordination among the mission elements that caused the mission to abort. One does wonder if the assault could have gone off as well as planned, but alas we'll never know there.
While D was forming, Blue Light was formed from Rgr Bn’s. Main issues were everyone wanted in on the op. Uncoordinated operational prep led to joint/unified. Best thing was forming 160th SOAR for dedicated air support. Still lingering issues with Grenada, but got better over time
Blue Light was formed within the 5th SFG. SF saw no reason why CT capability couldn't be created within their existing organization the way the SAS adopted the CT mission vs the Brits creating another unit. Beckwith believed that SFs prime mission of UW and FID would sooner or later result in funding being directed away from CT towards those prime SF missions. That's why DELTA had to be its own thing and not a sub-unit within the larger Ranger and SF communities.
If you'd like to know more about Operation Eagle Claw and Delta Force I'd recommend the books "The Guts To Try" by Col. James Kyle and "Delta Force" by Col. Charlie Beckwith.
Just stumbled on this clip. I was on MC130 call sign Dragon 02 as the Electronic Warfare Officer for the mission. Not only was the mission at the very limits of our capability, it also required an incredible degree of innovation by all. Things that are bread and butter now - such as flying with NODs, blackout landings, comm-out inflight refueling, etc. were all developed during this mission. The incredible sting of failure, the loss of friends, but the fruit decades later of our Joint SOF capability is something that has left a lasting mark on my life.
The internet is so weird, I can't believe I am commenting under the post of a guy who actually took part in this mission. So all those techniques were not available then? What training did the pilots do, if any which was additional and specific to the mission?
The crews had to learn how to takeoff/land as well as do in-flight refueling using 1st gen night vision devices - there were a host of other things that were developed, tried, adopted, failed that was part of some significant innovation required to complete such a complex mission. The requirements required us to operate at the limits, and sometimes beyond our existing capabilities.@@abdullahhashmi654
A lot has changed since the 80's, Delta recruited helicopter pilots from my unit in 84 and it was a bit crazy, one of the biggest changes was in the NVG's in the mid 80's we were trying to adapt infantry NVG's for pilot use. We were developing new tactics and using new equipment every week. Ft.Lewis was the HTTB and had the 2/75 rangers and the 1st and 5th SF groups, we were busy lol
Kind of strange, i always felt that it was the other way around, the infantry adopted (and broke) aviation night vision, that's why even the powered night vision mount is called anvis
Jack is pretty accurate on the "Reader's Digest" version of what happened. As I look back after all these years, we were crazy to even make the attempt with the primitive technology we had at the time (No GPS, primitive instruments, night vision, flying gas tanks, sketchy communications, etc.). members in that horrible accident. attemptingrevealed, thank you for your service.
Joe, if you want to really hear about Eagle Claw you need to talk to Mike Vining. He was on the mission, he's also the source of the "Do you even operate, son?" Meme.
In Joe's defense, in those same tournaments you speak of some fighter had to injury default (they had to quit because of injuries) out of the tournament. So just because it happened doesn't mean it not insanely stupid and legal suicide. Not to mention bad upkeep on your talent.
Joe complaining about Warrior where they fought on back to back days makes me think he’s forgetting about early MMA where they would fight more than once on the same night 🤔
Swelling takes a hot minute. You'll be fine if there's a little down time but after the next morning is when you start to feel it. Same reason you can go ham at the gym for longer than normal if you're feeling it without too much stress but then feel it the next morning
I was a young marine during Eagle Claw. Sitting in the ready room, bullets, grenades. We made a big U turn and got the f outa there. 31st MEU USS Okinawa.
It's also interesting how after the Fallout from Op Eagle Claw you see the damage control in full swing with even Hollywood in on the act releasing movies like Chuck Norris's Delta Force and movies with similar themes like Megaforce.
My Father SFC Jim Loudermilk was a crew chief for the "Blue Light" unit, which was the predecessor to Delta. He used to tell me stories about how this all went down. He told me the reason those choppers went down was because the Unit that was chosen over Blue Light didn't have the skill set to operate in those conditions and that it was all political. He went on to say that if Blue Light was chosen none of that would of ever happened. Evidently from what my father was told after the incident is that the filters for the turbines on the choppers were either installed incorrectly or not installed at all, which led to the sand being sucked in to the turbine's combustor and adhering to the blades ultimately causing the engine failure. My Father was drafted in '69 and worked on Helicopters his entire career, this bothered him until his death in 2014. RIP pops! "Helicopters don't Fly, they beat the wind into submission"
That mission not succeeding had nothing to do with Deltas lack of skill sets or anything like that. Like you said it was a maintenance issue that scrubed that mission and then all hell broke loose. It had nothing to do with Deltas "incompetence " as your father was insinuating.
According to documents about Operation Eagle Claw, 3 EC-130 ABCCCs were outfitted with external fuel tanks and used as FARPs for the other aircraft during the mission.
He didn't mention one of the most unlucky things...when the C130s landed there was literally a fuel truck driving by and also a bus full of civilians that rolled up. Bad omen for a landing site supposedly in the middle of nowhere in the middle of the night.
I read that book about the Delta Force when I was a kid too. Eagle Claw is a big part of it. But those Delta boys, they're something else. Total boogymen. They're the ghosts of even the special operations community. Marines check under their beds for Rangers. Rangers check under their beds for Seals and Green Berets. Seals and Green Berets check under their beds for Delta.
It's also interesting how after the Fallout from Op Eagle Claw you see the damage control in full swing with even Hollywood in on the act releasing movies like Chuck Norris's Delta Force and movies with similar themes like Megaforce.
Dick Marcincko is def a controversial figure. His novels were a great and entertaining read when they came out. His autobiographical stuff is even more fascinating, especially regarding Red Cell. As the first commander of Seal Team Six, and given his background and experience I’m surprised that Hollywood hasn’t made a movie about his exploits yet. 💥🇺🇸
I know he worked as an advisor in Hollywood on shows like 24, along with Barry Humphries. Also didn't he rip off the US Govt for a hand grenade contract? His computer game was 100% shit though! They sold as a Conflict: Desert Storm 3rd person squad game, yet it was a poor, Run and Gun FPS!
Lessons were learnt after the Delta ride unfortunately your brother's died but more of your brothers survived from the training and the knowledge you guys gained from that operation their sacrifices were not in Vain always honour special forces around the world learnt a lesson they adapted after what happened on the raid your brothers did not die in vain
They needed 5 to do the mission not six. They only had 5, so there was zero margin for error. That’s way Col. Beckwith called off the mission BEFORE the accident happened.
There were so many other errors, bad decisions, wrong personnel, wrong equipment, etc. that were mixed into the planning and operations of the mission. At least 2 of the helicopters (Navy CH-53's) were not fitted with the desert environment kits that would have defended the engines against foreign object damage, especially sand.
Juan Guzman Yeah, I loved that movie when I was a kid. Saw it for the first time in forever a couple years ago, man it was so cheesy and highly inaccurate- that opening scene of Desert One especially. I was a little surprised tho they did have takeoff rockets on their C-130’s for that scene, which makes me wonder if somebody knew something about our backup plan Credible Sport? 🤷🏻♂️
i can't remember which, but a British prime minister was quoted as having said "whilstever we have the SAS, Britain will be safe", no wonder delta force were so good???? lol.
I like that Jack talked about getting lucky out there. It's hard to trust intel and jump into a mission like that. Even as a vet and former airborne infantryman, I have nothing but respect for people who can do that. I have listened to both of Carr's books and they were great. I have to ask, what was his rank as a Seal with 20 years? Vince Flynn and Daniel Silva are foundational, but I aspire to infuse the styles of Dean Koontz and Brad Meltzer into my own perspective as a VFW thriller novelist.
@Stop the BS i do not agree with you. Put 5 of the best us marines in the iranain embassy and they will die. They will never match a fully fledge special forces regiment that have been the best in the world since 1940s. The sas was not Sloppy at all entering the embassy, how can you say something that stupid?
@Stop the BS what that fuck!! Are you saying that 5 us marines in the embassy would destroy the sas? You dont have a clue what you are talking about. You also said that they were Sloppy when entering the embassy. Are you a dumb troll?
Delta Force Operation to kill the ISIS leader was called Operation Kayla Mueller. First US operation to be named after someone I believe, she was an American aid worker who was kidnapped by ISIS, alleged to have been tortured and raped by that ISIS Leader himself. Fitting that the operation to kill/capture the guy was in her name.
That's got to be a committee with at least some Madison ave. Hollywood guys on it. "Operation Infinite Justice ? the focus group says it's too cocky lets go with "Inherent Resolve"
Plan on join a branch after my bachelors degree. Definitely want to try and become a seal at some point. Currently age 20 should be done with bachelors at 22 and we’ll see where life takes me then
"What We Learned from Operation Eagle Claw" Not to re-elect Jimmy Carter? A good man but a less-than-mediocre US President. When the American president shows a shred of weakness or hesitancy, the enemies of America and Liberty go on the march. That is what concerns me about 2021-22.
![Operation EAGLE CLAW [SOF Stories from Quarantine]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/3rnDPvv1tPE/mqdefault.jpg)
Part of BUDS is getting an agent for the book you’ll write after becoming a SEAL
Of all the special forces they seem to like to write the most
How many Navy Seals does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Two. One to screw in the light bulb, and one to write the book.
don't forget the t shirt company and "frogman" branded coffee
Dammit man.... you guys(commentors) are hardcore, busting some Navy Seal ass with jokes. I can't stop laughing....... unless one of those tough bastards walks in the room. Then it ain't fuckin' funny.... you guys.
nick g Seals don’t need lightbulbs, they have night vision.
A Ranger, Para Rescue, and Seal walk into a bar, the seal writes a book about it.
to be fair his mother was a librarian and he grew up a bookworm
Ellard Kurvin bruh every navy seal writes a book😂how many green beret can you name has written a book
SEALS must be the only ones with material...
ruclips.net/video/qCcZdXYpMt0/видео.html
@13th warrior Based on your grammar and excessive use of caps, I would say you wouldn't be able to write a book even if you wanted
My Uncle was the E6 Air Force guy on the mission. Happened a few years before I was born, but still spoken of highly in our family. Good stuff to hear lessons were learned and applied from this.
Yeah oookay
Eric Haney, one of the first DELTA operators and who would eventually become the Sergeant Major of same , included a harrowing tale of his participation in Operation Eagle Claw in his book "Inside Delta Force". Incidentally, Haney was an Army Ranger before moving to Delta.
Tim Barbee awesome book! His story is great.. also helped create the show The Unit.. damn good show sucks it was cancelled
Have a good one :-|
One of the best book I have ever read.
HOORAH
"Navy seal author" you could have just said "navy seal" we will assume hes an author
Not surprisingly, the child who is struggling with spelling, grammar, and sentence structure is criticizing a legitimate author. Your resentment over the fact that you have no stories of your own is obvious to everyone.
@@DowntownDeuce2 it’s a joke numbnuts…
Little known fact but during this interview Joe was also wearing his American flag underwear.
Jeremy Rydeen
Backwards, with the hole in the back!
He wasn't, he was going full commando 😉
@@juniorballs6025
Hell yeah.
Thanks, great to hear more details about Eagle Claw. I knew an airman who was present on the mission; pretty emotional to hear him tell what he experienced.
100% expecting Rogan to ask him if he came in contact with UFOs at one point during the podcast
HA!
It's a SEAL. Not a fighter-pilot.
Or if he's ever smoked DMT. 🤣
lol
one of the takeaways was also the need for a long range, high speed air transport vehicle that can land vertically...which finally culminated into the V-22 (at least has in-flight refueling)
@6:08, I was living in Yuma Proving Ground at the time. At night, the base would lose power and you'd hear choppers (w/o any lights). It was the Delta and Army aviators practicing on the mockup of the embassy in the desert. As I recall from COL Beckwith's book, the Marine pilots wanted a piece of the action and was a late substitute for Army avaiators. But as mentioned, 160th SOAR was created so it would never happen again. Also....LOVED the books.
I’ve read all his books. 👍. My favorite parts are actually when they’re training and prepping for a mission and what they go through. Setting up simulations. Choosing and working with the different weapons they will use. Getting it all down like clockwork to the millisecond. Making sure it is a well oiled machine firing on all cylinders and taking all contingencies into account.
The failure of that mission is because each branch of the military wanted a part of the mission. Marines didn’t have a part so the generals had them use marine helicopters. Delta could not use there experienced army pilots that they trained with since Vietnam. Which is why Joint Special Operations Command was created, to keep other generals out of the planning. Also why the Army’s special operations aviation 160th was created, so they could use the same pilots they train with.
It also made the USMC the red headed step child of SOF in the US Military until 2006 when MARSOC was finally founded and allowed into JSOC.
@@seandlax9 Before 9/11, the Marines didn't want to be part of JSOC. They didn't want Marines to be taken away from Marine missions. When your part of JSOC, your unit pretty much belongs to them. After 9/11, they changed there mind because all the top missions were going to JSOC. The Marines missed out on all of those missions. Again, generals wanting a piece of that pie, wanting Marines to participate, so MARSOC was made. Some Force Recon units were turned into MARSOC and pulled away from Marine missions. There was no real need to add another SF unit in JSOC. Again, generals wanting a piece of that pie, and Marines don't have to add it to there budget, JSOC can now pay for the MARSOC gear and training now.
@@irvin325 That's all true, but it was a combination of this and the USMC not wanting to cooperate combined into Force Recon being pretty much neglected by the SOF community until post 9/11 when USMC brass finally got it through their head that they had to contribute to JSOC any meaningful participation.
no, it's overconfidence. It wasn't erroneous, it was a mistake (different things). They thought this would work, there wasn't an 'accident.' Talk shit, get hit.
The Plan had too many moving parts. It predicated on long term stealth with the HOPE of surprise and the potential for violence of action. It also predicated on VERY limited inter-branch training between Army, Air Force and Marines. And the training they did have was limited in scope to their specific job they'd perform, without any consideration of contingencies or operational set backs.
JSOC and 160th SOAR(A) were created precisely for the capacity in conducting operations, with interagency, to better facilitate multirole operations and missions without fucking up like they did in 1979.
I was in AC when they were making Warrior, no idea what it was, watched the movie about 3 years later and realized it. Movie was badass too.
I worked on Operation Eagle Claw as an intell specialist back in 1980. My unit provided the satellite imagery for the planning of that operations. We worked in an underground vault on Offutt AFB, the 544th TMS. This was the time we were transitioning from film being dropped from a satellite to digital, the first Google Earth. We compiled historic film imagery and the new satellite with digital imagery was tasked with updating critical imagery for that mission. Unfortunately folks died on the ground in that mission. Only real time project I worked on while in the military.
David, what was your role in EC, specifically? You were there?
@@KVSWF no. I was an intell guy working on the Sat Imagery collection and analysis team. We had the entire library of all TS sat imagery in our vault and pieced together images that helped plan the mission. Digital sat imagery was just beginning. Everything was still on film. Interesting side note, after Reagan won the election some of the freed hostages who had TS clearances toured our vault and I got to meet two or three of them. They thanked us for our efforts. It was a pretty cool moment for me because I was an E-3 at the time.
@@davidlakvold8380 Very cool! My dad was in the middle of this so that's why I was asking!
@@KVSWF he was on the ground in Iran? Wow. People died and a plane burned. Was you dad an SF guy?
@@davidlakvold8380 Delta!
"Comments have moved" well....ummm put them back
Ryan Conrad I know that shit was retarded
Here here
Ya this sucks.
@@ufc990 I literally can't get used to it
@@thrifty9797 Ya it's so stupid, wtf were they thinking? They took 4 steps back.
You should definitely try to get Dick Marcinko on the show.
I’m still waiting 2021
DEAD
He's dead
Rip
Joe, please get Robert O'Neill on your podcast!
I still want to see the book covering the "guys on the ground". There was another recently that actually acknowledged meadows' team, but didn't really get deep into their insertions, actions, and exfils. That would be an excellent read.
My favorite quote from the show, Ben - "...frogman luck."
Seals have more photo shoots than a sports illustrated model.
Operation Eagle Claw failed because of the lack of Special Operations Aviation. That failure is why the Army created the 160 Special operations aviation Reg.
The mission failure had nothing to do with DELTA.
“It’s not common” 😂😂😂
To be fair, the plan as conceived was the most viable one: looking at a map, eastern Iran was sparsely populated frontier, and thus reduced chance of detection at infiltration, and the location of Tehran necessitated a southern approach. It was a combination of inexperience and lack of coordination among the mission elements that caused the mission to abort.
One does wonder if the assault could have gone off as well as planned, but alas we'll never know there.
Well done for acknowledging the UKSF. 👏👏👏
While D was forming, Blue Light was formed from Rgr Bn’s. Main issues were everyone wanted in on the op. Uncoordinated operational prep
led to joint/unified. Best thing was forming 160th SOAR for dedicated air support. Still lingering issues with Grenada, but got better over time
Blue Light was formed within the 5th SFG. SF saw no reason why CT capability couldn't be created within their existing organization
the way the SAS adopted the CT mission vs the Brits creating another unit. Beckwith believed that SFs prime mission of UW and FID would
sooner or later result in funding being directed away from CT towards those prime SF missions. That's why DELTA had to be its own thing and not a sub-unit within the larger Ranger and SF communities.
Blue light was formed from Sf guys not Ranger batt.
Luke the other guy said.
If you'd like to know more about Operation Eagle Claw and Delta Force I'd recommend the books "The Guts To Try" by Col. James Kyle and "Delta Force" by Col. Charlie Beckwith.
Just stumbled on this clip. I was on MC130 call sign Dragon 02 as the Electronic Warfare Officer for the mission. Not only was the mission at the very limits of our capability, it also required an incredible degree of innovation by all. Things that are bread and butter now - such as flying with NODs, blackout landings, comm-out inflight refueling, etc. were all developed during this mission. The incredible sting of failure, the loss of friends, but the fruit decades later of our Joint SOF capability is something that has left a lasting mark on my life.
The internet is so weird, I can't believe I am commenting under the post of a guy who actually took part in this mission.
So all those techniques were not available then? What training did the pilots do, if any which was additional and specific to the mission?
The crews had to learn how to takeoff/land as well as do in-flight refueling using 1st gen night vision devices - there were a host of other things that were developed, tried, adopted, failed that was part of some significant innovation required to complete such a complex mission. The requirements required us to operate at the limits, and sometimes beyond our existing capabilities.@@abdullahhashmi654
A lot has changed since the 80's, Delta recruited helicopter pilots from my unit in 84 and it was a bit crazy, one of the biggest changes was in the NVG's in the mid 80's we were trying to adapt infantry NVG's for pilot use. We were developing new tactics and using new equipment every week. Ft.Lewis was the HTTB and had the 2/75 rangers and the 1st and 5th SF groups, we were busy lol
Kind of strange, i always felt that it was the other way around, the infantry adopted (and broke) aviation night vision, that's why even the powered night vision mount is called anvis
@@AG-pm3tc I'm not sure. The infantry is damn good at breaking things though.
So you could more efficiently kill poor Brown people for oil companies?
@@underballbutter uttering such nonsense while basking in the freedom that the west gave you 😒
@@AG-pm3tc I'm supposed to be grateful I'm not a slave? Pretty low bar. Can the US stop murdering poor brown people for their resources tho?
Jack is pretty accurate on the "Reader's Digest" version of what happened. As I look back after all these years, we were crazy to even make the attempt with the primitive technology we had at the time (No GPS, primitive instruments, night vision, flying gas tanks, sketchy communications, etc.). members in that horrible accident. attemptingrevealed, thank you for your service.
The night stalkers, 160th soar was born shortly after this
I was just at the 160th SOAR barracks at Hunter, absolutely wonderful guys
Guys r the best of the best! Taxi for seals and delta best pilots in the world!
surprised he didnt give 160 props...Worked with them at campbell briefly. Good guys,,I liked that they all had to Airborne Qualified and current.
@@mikeglynn5824 no..and yes
The real OGs. Night stalkers and various CAS units (including c130 gun ship). These assets can change the battle space
If you want to learn about eagle claw you need to get Sergeant Major Mike Vining on.
@PostHawk The man, the myth, the legend.
You'd probably need a carrier pigeon to get in touch with that guy.
@@stephen3762 off the grid that hard ?
@@MadJustin7 The only man alive who doesn't say Sir to Chuck Norris.
@@bread8609 He's pretty old and I doubt he's ever heard of Joe Rogan. There's a documentary on Eagle Claw coming out soon. Maybe Mr. Vining is in it.
Joe, if you want to really hear about Eagle Claw you need to talk to Mike Vining. He was on the mission, he's also the source of the "Do you even operate, son?" Meme.
We need this podcast
Didn’t people used to fight three MMA fights in one night? And didn’t the Japanese hold Grand Prix tournaments over the course of the weekend?
I'm afraid I can't do that. Yes my brother in law won some of the tournaments big money in pride
Until an injury allowed an alternate into the final, then he won because it was his first fight! THE END. Lol
In Joe's defense, in those same tournaments you speak of some fighter had to injury default (they had to quit because of injuries) out of the tournament. So just because it happened doesn't mean it not insanely stupid and legal suicide. Not to mention bad upkeep on your talent.
Pretty sure rizin still holds grand prixs over a couple days King mo won one If I'm not mistaken in 2018
Style bender did it with kick boxing matches
Taking safeties off Glocks 😂👏🏽
ƒ1ѕт ƒρѕ I came looking for this comment...
🤦♂️
Yeah I was thinking the same thing
☝️ Only safety you need!
And installing that piece that makes em' full auto
Joe complaining about Warrior where they fought on back to back days makes me think he’s forgetting about early MMA where they would fight more than once on the same night 🤔
He wasn't around for those, so he must not remember that they happened. Kenny Wayne Shamrock
Fighting two days in a row is not the same as fighting multiple times a night.
You swell up the next day folks
Swelling takes a hot minute. You'll be fine if there's a little down time but after the next morning is when you start to feel it. Same reason you can go ham at the gym for longer than normal if you're feeling it without too much stress but then feel it the next morning
Andy McNabb books are quality, UK former SAS man
Agre
I was a young marine during Eagle Claw. Sitting in the ready room, bullets, grenades. We made a big U turn and got the f outa there. 31st MEU USS Okinawa.
It's also interesting how after the Fallout from Op Eagle Claw you see the damage control in full swing with even Hollywood in on the act releasing movies like Chuck Norris's Delta Force and movies with similar themes like Megaforce.
They are not Hollywood films.
@@bighands69 Golan Globus same crowd
*I don’t know what he’s talking about* , “explain to the people what that is... many people don’t know” 😂
Exactly, Joe had no idea
glen mahony lmao 🤣
Let me tell you what I learned from operation White Claw.
Lol
Never Forget
That it's ok to drink girlie drinks when they're on super sale
That there were new laws?
Jack Carr for President🙌
My Father SFC Jim Loudermilk was a crew chief for the "Blue Light" unit, which was the predecessor to Delta. He used to tell me stories about how this all went down. He told me the reason those choppers went down was because the Unit that was chosen over Blue Light didn't have the skill set to operate in those conditions and that it was all political. He went on to say that if Blue Light was chosen none of that would of ever happened. Evidently from what my father was told after the incident is that the filters for the turbines on the choppers were either installed incorrectly or not installed at all, which led to the sand being sucked in to the turbine's combustor and adhering to the blades ultimately causing the engine failure. My Father was drafted in '69 and worked on Helicopters his entire career, this bothered him until his death in 2014. RIP pops! "Helicopters don't Fly, they beat the wind into submission"
That mission not succeeding had nothing to do with Deltas lack of skill sets or anything like that. Like you said it was a maintenance issue that scrubed that mission and then all hell broke loose. It had nothing to do with Deltas "incompetence " as your father was insinuating.
Joe Rogan should examine Pat Tillman's death, in particular the Mk12 5.66 mm sniper rifle carried by Rangers.
How many SEALs does it take to screw in a light bulb? None. One SEAL holds the light bulb and the rest of the world just revolves around him.
what a fucking legit guest. dude seems so passive yet he is a killer.
Quick plane correction-
EC130s are electronic warfare
KC130s are refueling for the helos
According to documents about Operation Eagle Claw, 3 EC-130 ABCCCs were outfitted with external fuel tanks and used as FARPs for the other aircraft during the mission.
Read "Mouthful of rocks" by Christian Jennings an American in the French Foreign Legion. Great read
we know more about the legion than jtf 2
@Stop the BS no one knows my friend
We need Shawn Ryan!!! Get it Joe!
Yes!
Great dude in Jack Carr, great interview Joe....
The MV-22 Osprey concept came out of this Operation.
Jack Carr just got my 5 Audible credits even if I never listen to the books. Good man. Support him
We all have a lot to learn from the SAS.
1000%
Wait, Joe Rogan has never heard of Pride Grand prix tournaments?!
Right.... Mandela effect.... it never happened... in Joe's world.
He didn't mention one of the most unlucky things...when the C130s landed there was literally a fuel truck driving by and also a bus full of civilians that rolled up. Bad omen for a landing site supposedly in the middle of nowhere in the middle of the night.
All the seals that go on the podcast all wear baseball caps
Balding from the boats carried on the head probably
@@JTadeo128 You've been paying attention sir
Not Jocko....
@@Cannisseur119 Or Goggins.
All balding
Dam Neck was an alright little base. Especially when the fighters were practicing overhead from NAS Oceana.
I wanted him to talk about the Taliban deal and what he think about that
Probably doesn’t think much more than they should be fucken dead?
Applying lessons from experience wether good or bad creates wisdom.
Believing fake stories creates idiots
Joe please get. Ant Middleton or Jason Fox or Ollie or Billy just please, either one of those guys. The show Who Dares Wins is brilliant!!!
CMSgt Taco Sanchez developed the technology for the forward refueling point on the ground.
Cool, no one cares
I read that book about the Delta Force when I was a kid too. Eagle Claw is a big part of it. But those Delta boys, they're something else. Total boogymen. They're the ghosts of even the special operations community. Marines check under their beds for Rangers. Rangers check under their beds for Seals and Green Berets. Seals and Green Berets check under their beds for Delta.
And delta check under there bed for the best in the world the sas 😉
John Fraser uhh no
John Fraser kind of not really, the sas I would say are on par with delta, because delta is a mix between all of the U.S spec ops and the SAS.
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It's also interesting how after the Fallout from Op Eagle Claw you see the damage control in full swing with even Hollywood in on the act releasing movies like Chuck Norris's Delta Force and movies with similar themes like Megaforce.
7 years in air assault 👌 highly recommend.
Inside Delta Force by Sgt Major Eric Haney
Absolutely fantastic book, highly recommended
love jack carr, intense. always looks like he’s debriefing you over is sunglasses, after some major shit just went down
Amazing at 7 yrs old this guy knows he's going to be a SEAL......thats a sign to me!
Terry Trice a sign of the sheer effectiveness of American military propaganda?
@@alexf1584 blood thirsty
And that kids is why the British SAS is still the best in the world!
100%
Dick Marcincko is def a controversial figure. His novels were a great and entertaining read when they came out. His autobiographical stuff is even more fascinating, especially regarding Red Cell. As the first commander of Seal Team Six, and given his background and experience I’m surprised that Hollywood hasn’t made a movie about his exploits yet. 💥🇺🇸
I know he worked as an advisor in Hollywood on shows like 24, along with Barry Humphries. Also didn't he rip off the US Govt for a hand grenade contract? His computer game was 100% shit though! They sold as a Conflict: Desert Storm 3rd person squad game, yet it was a poor, Run and Gun FPS!
Lessons were learnt after the Delta ride unfortunately your brother's died but more of your brothers survived from the training and the knowledge you guys gained from that operation their sacrifices were not in Vain always honour special forces around the world learnt a lesson they adapted after what happened on the raid your brothers did not die in vain
They needed 5 to do the mission not six. They only had 5, so there was zero margin for error. That’s way Col. Beckwith called off the mission BEFORE the accident happened.
There were so many other errors, bad decisions, wrong personnel, wrong equipment, etc. that were mixed into the planning and operations of the mission.
At least 2 of the helicopters (Navy CH-53's) were not fitted with the desert environment kits that would have defended the engines against foreign object damage, especially sand.
Kit Carson - Who were the “wrong personnel?”
TIL: DMT makes you time travel for books
Intro to Chuck Norris Movie Delta Force is a depiction of Operation Eagle Claw
What?!? A war movie starring ChuckNorris inaccurate?
Juan Guzman
Yeah, I loved that movie when I was a kid. Saw it for the first time in forever a couple years ago, man it was so cheesy and highly inaccurate- that opening scene of Desert One especially. I was a little surprised tho they did have takeoff rockets on their C-130’s for that scene, which makes me wonder if somebody knew something about our backup plan Credible Sport? 🤷🏻♂️
i can't remember which, but a British prime minister was quoted as having said "whilstever we have the SAS, Britain will be safe", no wonder delta force were so good???? lol.
Eagle claw, except that the claw was shattered! :D
I like that Jack talked about getting lucky out there. It's hard to trust intel and jump into a mission like that. Even as a vet and former airborne infantryman, I have nothing but respect for people who can do that. I have listened to both of Carr's books and they were great. I have to ask, what was his rank as a Seal with 20 years? Vince Flynn and Daniel Silva are foundational, but I aspire to infuse the styles of Dean Koontz and Brad Meltzer into my own perspective as a VFW thriller novelist.
He was an 0-4. Also, it's SEAL. What airborne unit were you with?
@@joeschmo247 Georgia Guard H 121 long rang surveillance
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How long were you in the National Guard. I was active Army 15 years. 7 regular infantry, 8 I was with USASOC. Loved my time in.
@@joeschmo247 7 years, E-5
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Ouch
Joe "You can be a ballerina without ballerina dancing" Rogan
Dick Meadows the legend
Ok ok...you can borrow our SAS 🇬🇧!! ;-) just kidding you guys are awesome 🇺🇸
Its ok us brits know your not kidding... just kidding😉
If the U.S ever has a hostage crisis they should always just cut to the chase and call the Professionals.....The SAS
The SAS have super powers to repel sandstorms?
@@RANDO4743 yes
@Stop the BS dont think so. Lets say the terriosts was us marines. They are trained well but will never match the sas.
@Stop the BS i do not agree with you. Put 5 of the best us marines in the iranain embassy and they will die. They will never match a fully fledge special forces regiment that have been the best in the world since 1940s.
The sas was not Sloppy at all entering the embassy, how can you say something that stupid?
@Stop the BS what that fuck!! Are you saying that 5 us marines in the embassy would destroy the sas? You dont have a clue what you are talking about. You also said that they were Sloppy when entering the embassy. Are you a dumb troll?
It's a shame there were no SAS soldiers who could of help out in that raid.
It was the US hostages tbf. It wasn't the SAS's right to be there. Besides it was probably the proving ground for Delta
I am glad that it was no sas soldiers there. It would shame them to. I think, if it was a sas operation, it would have been a win.
@@cheekboy7247 Totally Agreed, SAS are just different gravy.....
Interesting.
I can't wait to read his books!
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how dare he shit on the "The Worrior" that movies is a classic lol
It’s crazy to think this guy used to “go down to range. Ladder 14 thank you for your service
Someone’s gotta do it. He seems so calm and collected. No matter what job you have you take orders from the top
The attempt was in October 1980.
I just like to be the military guy who gets to give missions awesome names.
Delta Force Operation to kill the ISIS leader was called Operation Kayla Mueller. First US operation to be named after someone I believe, she was an American aid worker who was kidnapped by ISIS, alleged to have been tortured and raped by that ISIS Leader himself. Fitting that the operation to kill/capture the guy was in her name.
Sahara question is was he CIA mossad or mi6?
That's got to be a committee with at least some Madison ave. Hollywood guys on it. "Operation Infinite Justice ? the focus group says it's too cocky lets go with "Inherent Resolve"
Plan on join a branch after my bachelors degree. Definitely want to try and become a seal at some point. Currently age 20 should be done with bachelors at 22 and we’ll see where life takes me then
I'm guessing US was inspired by Entebbe rescue. Which was a spectacular success.
When he tells these stories I know good n well I would need to train from about 9 years old to be any good at what they do.
That’s what happens when no ground guide :)
Wasn't Carter the President at the time? Not Nixon.
Gabby Hayes Correct.
A seal walks into a bar. 20 guys suddenly walk out. They were claiming to be Seals before he got there.
Honor Courage Commitment ⚓
Jack Carr: I was a SEAL and I'm an author
Joe Rogan: Ever done DMT?
Love the shirt Joe
Sometimes we are too merciful with our enemies...
"What We Learned from Operation Eagle Claw"
Not to re-elect Jimmy Carter? A good man but a less-than-mediocre US President. When the American president shows a shred of weakness or hesitancy, the enemies of America and Liberty go on the march. That is what concerns me about 2021-22.
Is Steven King a seal?
There was a 2nd planned Iranian hostage rescue mission called credible sport.
I read the delta force great book, highly recommended
Agree
I wish there was a video of the mission with a laugh track!! :D
Carter didn't listen to his advisors that rejected this operation plan.