I bought the tiger sport 660 in roulette green because your vids. I didn’t know these even existed until I saw your vids. And this bike is exactly what I needed. The sporty side of a naked, with the practicality of a small “touring”. So yh, thx Bob! It’s coming somewhere this month :)
@ If you have some spare time, go book a testride. The engine is amazing, very smooth down low and builds up nicely. Way more comfortable and controlable then a parallel twin. And the chasis feel amazing. It’s very nimble and flickable. Low speeds it very easy and smooth and mid to high speeds also feel very good. And the seating position is very comfy. And when you wanna push it a lil’, you just lean forward a bit and you can really enjoy some sporty riding
Top list, as always! About to choose between the Yamaha Tracer 9 GT+ and the Ducati V2S. Would be super interested on your takes on both, following some testing!
Looking forward to your review of the Pan America ST. Wouldn’t really call any of their baggers sport touring bikes, but the Pan America ST fits better with the other bikes you reviewed in terms of comparison.
I’m still rocking a burnt orange 2017 1000sx. I would upgrade but the repeated offerings of Kawasaki green and gunmetal bland paint schemes don’t excite me at all.
Street Glide but no Goldwing....Suzuki? hmmm that is difficult to understand. Yamaha and KTM keep making such polarising designs. They certainly keep me away from a purchase. Looks like a honda 1100 is on the horizon for my dollars. As always enjoy the MB content and style. Keep it going!
I'm holding off for the Tracer 9gt+ to replace my RT1200. I ride a lot at night, and that automatic gear box is going to help with some of the work I do with my bikes
Massive minus point for NT1100 in Thailand is : Side cases are not standard equipment and not even have the option to buy it. Only way you can get it is to order sperate from Honda Europe by your self. Because of Honda Europe came with side cases as standard. None of major case malefactors care to make a rack for it. That's mean the only option left for you to use side cases is to make DIY rack to use with NT1100.
Harley davidson and touring should never be in the same sentence. Imagine trying to ride 2 up, with luggage probably weighing 500kg+ on a 40% inclined british switchback? Or on italian cobbled steets? Or super narrow german streets? Or navigating around French drivers on a French roundabout? Or loading onto a Greek ferry? Or dodging Norwegian potholes in the north? Or wanting to open-up down Spanish mountain passes? Touring on a harley davidson sounds like hell
I come from Harley and I conccur. Harley are not that much comfy, very heavy and none can take a helmet inside a saddlebag ... none. The luggages are ridiculous. All of that for bikes that have less and less actual metal parts and those parts are thinner and thinner. The toughness impression is not there anymore. But prices went up and they do not retain their value anymore.
Harley Davidson have completely lost the plot with those pricings, no wonder their Oxford dealership is closing down lol, keep being delusional HD, your company is only making profits in your deluded mind.
I love Harley have rid of them for 20 years, but I recently stopped for a little bit and when I went back to the dealership to buy one, I was price shocked basically the same bike about 10 years ago for much more money now I’m looking for something else
@@Chipsandmayo-OG bottom line is value. A $100 dollar screen is not worth thousands! Funny thing is i make more Momey now than i did 10 yeara a go when i hought my last street glide and maybe cuz am older Or cuz everything is so damn expensive the price of the new street glide jusr seems out of touch, am not the only fact is harley sells are low to the point were dealers are closing. They need to wake up man.
Love the KTM 1390 SDGT, I used to own a gen 1 1290 SDGT and I loved it but ended up wanting something a bit more comfortable. Got a KTM 1290SA-S now which I love, same engine albeit tuned a bit different and a lot more comfortable for big mileage. I really hope KTM can sort out their finances, be a real shame if they fold. That F900XR is a nice looking thing though.
They've have had the 790/890 cam issues which is being addressed by KTM. I think the initial reaction from them wasn't very customer friendly, which has caused a lot of upset online. Now all the Financial problems and some people seem to want to see ktm go down. Don't understand that, they make great bikes....some are a bit marmite but they're different, I like that.
2015-2019 Kawasaki Versys 1000LT was $12,995 & only needed a suspension upgrade to be perfect for 2 up sport touring. Then they turned it into a $19,995 dad bike with electronics galore & priced themselves right out of the market. 😢
With the Tiger Sport 800 garnering so much praise it almost seems as though the middleweight sports tourer segment is making a comeback which is super exciting to me. That said, the 800 and the Kawasaki Ninja 1100SX are easily the two I'd most like to own. The rest get quite a bit too tech heavy or are a bit too underpowered (Sport 660) for my preference. And I'll never find anything about American style tourers exciting - and I say this as an American. Also, I'll never understand why people think the Multistrada is a handsome motorcycle. Sure, it's not downright ugly like it's first version but it's such a goofy looking motorcycle. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder though. It's a shame that Ducati gave up on the Supersport, I think it'd do well in the current market.
@samoksner As a sports tourer? I personally don't think so. Sure, anything can be one but first and foremost it's a sport bike right? I think its engine in a Supersport with cruise control, an adjustable windscreen, heated grips and some OEM luggage options would probably be pretty incredible though.
Be nice in that green colour...and any clocks ,bar the one it comes with...hopefully Bad Winners will make a plug in replacement, like the Svartpilen 701
If you ride urban at night, do not get a Tracer with the split headlight, please. I ride bikes and I almost turned in front of a scooter rider with split lights because all I saw at night were the headlights of a car 300 metres away and not a bike 25 metres away outside of my beam. It left me shaken that I was so close to misjudging that.
This years top tracer is f-ugly. But if that light system is amazing, i would consider it. Had the TDM850 gen2 odd ball. Sometimes ugly can be a hidden gem.
Next brilliant scheme for KTM is give you 30 days of full power then shutting it down by 30 horsepower if you don't pay up. Just kidding KTM don't borrow my idea unless you provide me a new R12S.😁😁
At last colour actually on the front facing bits. Roulette Green great. But why are we expected to pay more for it? …a gambling ad coming up soon, for the risk attracted?
Did Suzuki go out of business? LOL. Also, wouldn't the KTM SMT be a good inclusion? Looking at most of these, beauty is not a criteria. Maybe no updates though?
Lots of great bikes. Some of them are way overpriced. I've never had a Triumph but that 800 Tiger looks gorgeous in yellow. The 660cc is enough power for me, but it looks a bit weedy next to the 800cc/ Hmmmmm.
Tiger Sport 800 is the sweet sport for a midsize touring/sports touring that's not a litre class bike. Best looks in class (sorry Tracer 9 you are just REALLY ugly) and non-T crank Triumph triple engine fun (byebye Chinese parallel twin engine of the F900XR) with more ompf than the 660.
Hopefully next year an AfricaTwin competitor with an 1100 cc, vstrom 800 construction, engine, 110-120 HP, 19/17 inch spoked wheel, 180 mm e-suspention from the GX 👃
That giant Yamaha is super ugly and expensive while still needing chain and sprocket, lubrication between, replacements😮... As a long-range travel bike😂
When you buy a motorcycle you're going to shell out; a $hit-lot money. ... So keep this in mind. Your bike is a piece of s*** to everyone that owns the same one or same brand or same style of bike. Only the uninterested in motorcycles will categorize your bike in a way that is valuable. 😮 Your bike being noticed by someone uninterested in motorcycles is the only thing that makes it interesting 🤔 💸 unless you're interested in what riding that motorcycle will do for you.
I agree. Yamaha just can't get the looks right. Every generation just seems to get uglier. The same with mt09, which journos keep praising. What the hell are they playing at?
Triumph bikes are build in Thailand - just like many Japanese bikes (many Honda and Kawasaki bikes are made in Thailand). Only the Speed 400s are build in India.
@stewy62 Lol, Germany don't look that far ahead. They just look to the EU for misguidance.
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Does anyone really like all those Automatics? I've tested both Yamaha's new box and Hondas DCT. And I don't like them. They shift too hard and goes to a too high gear, that makes the ride sluggish and keeps you waiting for the downshift before you can overtake or get away from a dangerous situation. DANGEROUS!
I own a new Honda NT1100 DCT, and the gearshift is so smooth you can barely tell it’s changed gear (both up & down). Far slicker than any manual box with or without a quick shifter. There are 3 sports modes which hold onto gears longer to varying degrees, so no problem if you want a more spirited ride with predictable gear changing…
Have you actually ridden one? I have a Tiger 660 and would happily tour on it! Might lack a bit of power when two up with luggage but that's why they've introduced the 800. Many people tour with the Tiger sport and love it.
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I bought the tiger sport 660 in roulette green because your vids. I didn’t know these even existed until I saw your vids. And this bike is exactly what I needed. The sporty side of a naked, with the practicality of a small “touring”. So yh, thx Bob! It’s coming somewhere this month :)
Sounds great. Would probably be my pick of the bunch too. Happy biking 🏍👍
@ If you have some spare time, go book a testride. The engine is amazing, very smooth down low and builds up nicely. Way more comfortable and controlable then a parallel twin. And the chasis feel amazing. It’s very nimble and flickable. Low speeds it very easy and smooth and mid to high speeds also feel very good. And the seating position is very comfy. And when you wanna push it a lil’, you just lean forward a bit and you can really enjoy some sporty riding
Nice bikes. The new Ducati is gorgeous but terribly pricey. I believe you were missing the V100 Mandelo for sport touring.
Can’t stand the multistradas. They look like a duck to me.
That BMW F 900R is to my eye the best looking BMW out there on the road .
The red and blue one is stunning .👍
Probably the most unreliable though
Would love to see a video comparing the BMW xr 900 vs. Triumph Tiger Sport 800
Bmw f900xr for me this year, but yeah, comparison would be great
@lepiakadodo3724 I will test ride both
Took NT 1100 23 model for a one hour test ride , it was one balanced torquey smooth and quiet bike .
Your channel has become one of my favourites , very informative and engaging 👍
Thanks mate - appreciate the support 🍻
BMW S1000XR :)
Top list, as always!
About to choose between the Yamaha Tracer 9 GT+ and the Ducati V2S.
Would be super interested on your takes on both, following some testing!
The r18b looks Just glorious
Looking forward to your review of the Pan America ST. Wouldn’t really call any of their baggers sport touring bikes, but the Pan America ST fits better with the other bikes you reviewed in terms of comparison.
I’m still rocking a burnt orange 2017 1000sx. I would upgrade but the repeated offerings of Kawasaki green and gunmetal bland paint schemes don’t excite me at all.
The 800 hundred is tempting
I can’t wait to try the 80,000
@@kignacio It should have plenty of torque
Street Glide but no Goldwing....Suzuki? hmmm that is difficult to understand.
Yamaha and KTM keep making such polarising designs. They certainly keep me away from a purchase. Looks like a honda 1100 is on the horizon for my dollars.
As always enjoy the MB content and style. Keep it going!
I'm holding off for the Tracer 9gt+ to replace my RT1200. I ride a lot at night, and that automatic gear box is going to help with some of the work I do with my bikes
The F900 xr for me.
I’ve never heard of any market where the R18 has sold well yet it seems that the people at BMW are really behind the R18 with their US 🇺🇸 pricing
Tracer 9 looking more like a goldwing now 😂 I think i am getting the tiger 800
Tracer ..please 🤲
Massive minus point for NT1100 in Thailand is : Side cases are not standard equipment and not even have the option to buy it. Only way you can get it is to order sperate from Honda Europe by your self.
Because of Honda Europe came with side cases as standard. None of major case malefactors care to make a rack for it. That's mean the only option left for you to use side cases is to make DIY rack to use with NT1100.
All non Japanese motorbike buyers: May you have a mechanic brother in law.
Exactly
Harley davidson and touring should never be in the same sentence. Imagine trying to ride 2 up, with luggage probably weighing 500kg+ on a 40% inclined british switchback? Or on italian cobbled steets? Or super narrow german streets? Or navigating around French drivers on a French roundabout? Or loading onto a Greek ferry? Or dodging Norwegian potholes in the north? Or wanting to open-up down Spanish mountain passes?
Touring on a harley davidson sounds like hell
I come from Harley and I conccur.
Harley are not that much comfy, very heavy and none can take a helmet inside a saddlebag ... none.
The luggages are ridiculous.
All of that for bikes that have less and less actual metal parts and those parts are thinner and thinner.
The toughness impression is not there anymore.
But prices went up and they do not retain their value anymore.
Harley Davidson have completely lost the plot with those pricings, no wonder their Oxford dealership is closing down lol, keep being delusional HD, your company is only making profits in your deluded mind.
I love Harley have rid of them for 20 years, but I recently stopped for a little bit and when I went back to the dealership to buy one, I was price shocked basically the same bike about 10 years ago for much more money now I’m looking for something else
You must earn minimum wage.
@ feels like it now a days lol but no i dont.
@@Chipsandmayo-OG bottom line is value. A $100 dollar screen is not worth thousands! Funny thing is i make more
Momey now than i did 10 yeara a go when i hought my last street glide and maybe cuz am older
Or cuz everything is so damn expensive the price of the new street glide jusr seems out of touch, am not the only fact is harley sells are low to the point were dealers are closing. They need to wake up man.
Love the KTM 1390 SDGT, I used to own a gen 1 1290 SDGT and I loved it but ended up wanting something a bit more comfortable. Got a KTM 1290SA-S now which I love, same engine albeit tuned a bit different and a lot more comfortable for big mileage. I really hope KTM can sort out their finances, be a real shame if they fold. That F900XR is a nice looking thing though.
Any issues you faced with your KTM ??
@@Tannishq07 No, no issues....I've only done 4000kms though but I've not heard about any engine issues with the 1290.
@ oh ok , i just asked coz the internet is filled with some karens who are ready to bring down the image of KTM by pointing its reliability.
They've have had the 790/890 cam issues which is being addressed by KTM. I think the initial reaction from them wasn't very customer friendly, which has caused a lot of upset online. Now all the Financial problems and some people seem to want to see ktm go down. Don't understand that, they make great bikes....some are a bit marmite but they're different, I like that.
Yamaha you used to make two of my dream bikes. Please bring them back. The VMAX and FJR
diavel shits on a vmax
@@vegassasinhave some respect kid....when vmax was launched....the diavel is still swimming around.....😂😂
FJR 1300, just buy a used one for bargain price , make sure it’s been regularly serviced …they will last forever …no need for new .👍
Yamaha don't even make Tenere 1200 anymore, let alone something like vmax lol
@@vegassasin And the Rocket 3 R. But it will be cool to see a modern version.
Dear BMW: Stop trying to make the R18 happen. It's never gonna happen. Thanks.
😂
Other RUclips channel...Bikes Stuck on the Dealer's Floor...BMW R18 😂
2015-2019 Kawasaki Versys 1000LT was $12,995 & only needed a suspension upgrade to be perfect for 2 up sport touring. Then they turned it into a $19,995 dad bike with electronics galore & priced themselves right out of the market. 😢
With the Tiger Sport 800 garnering so much praise it almost seems as though the middleweight sports tourer segment is making a comeback which is super exciting to me. That said, the 800 and the Kawasaki Ninja 1100SX are easily the two I'd most like to own. The rest get quite a bit too tech heavy or are a bit too underpowered (Sport 660) for my preference. And I'll never find anything about American style tourers exciting - and I say this as an American.
Also, I'll never understand why people think the Multistrada is a handsome motorcycle. Sure, it's not downright ugly like it's first version but it's such a goofy looking motorcycle. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder though. It's a shame that Ducati gave up on the Supersport, I think it'd do well in the current market.
Is the new Panigale V2 not a good replacement for it tho with the new engine and power profile? Curious your thoughts.
@samoksner As a sports tourer? I personally don't think so. Sure, anything can be one but first and foremost it's a sport bike right? I think its engine in a Supersport with cruise control, an adjustable windscreen, heated grips and some OEM luggage options would probably be pretty incredible though.
Be nice in that green colour...and any clocks ,bar the one it comes with...hopefully Bad Winners will make a plug in replacement, like the Svartpilen 701
Is it correct that the Tracer 9 GT + 2025 only comes with the Auto option ?
Yes auto only and £2000 more than 24my bike.
@@nealmewis5249 Yep mine too, love my quickshifter🤔🤣🤣🤣
If you ride urban at night, do not get a Tracer with the split headlight, please. I ride bikes and I almost turned in front of a scooter rider with split lights because all I saw at night were the headlights of a car 300 metres away and not a bike 25 metres away outside of my beam. It left me shaken that I was so close to misjudging that.
Why honda why is the NT 1100 not available in the US? Why are you afraid it’s gonna steal your Goldwing sales
Honda shafts North America in many ways. Limited colors for one. Europe often gets 3 or 4 colors options.
@ i think though that they know this would definitely hurt gw sales, and its not like they are huge as it is
Wahappened to the GL1800 that it's not in this clip - wasn't updated for 2025 ?
US prices does not include tax. UK does, or I'm I mistaking?
So remove VAT from UK R18 and compare then.
Kawasaki need to update the Z900RS, more power 125Hp minimum, Cruise control and quickshifter. And bring back the Jaffa paint
I will stick with my low tech fjr 1300
I'll keep my ninja 24 1000sx.
I do like how the KTM bikes look sci fi movie ready. Just paint it black and add some goofy stuff for a Matrix kind of thingy. Technical term. 👍🤪🏳️🌈
This years top tracer is f-ugly. But if that light system is amazing, i would consider it. Had the TDM850 gen2 odd ball. Sometimes ugly can be a hidden gem.
To me, the Yamaha is best looking in "modern" designs. Also, that Ninja is a joke, a painful one!
Next brilliant scheme for KTM is give you 30 days of full power then shutting it down by 30 horsepower if you don't pay up. Just kidding KTM don't borrow my idea unless you provide me a new R12S.😁😁
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At last colour actually on the front facing bits. Roulette Green great. But why are we expected to pay more for it? …a gambling ad coming up soon, for the risk attracted?
The R18 is flawed at its core. The boxer engine restricts the ruder to mid controls. It will never take in the other cruisers for this reason😂
Yamaha Kawasaki Honda and Ducati made very good bikes but very Unpleasant Looking. They are far from attractive. they need to revise that.
Did Suzuki go out of business? LOL. Also, wouldn't the KTM SMT be a good inclusion? Looking at most of these, beauty is not a criteria. Maybe no updates though?
I’m thinking everyone is waiting for the new GP V4 to filter down 🤔🏍 from Yamaha
Lots of great bikes. Some of them are way overpriced. I've never had a Triumph but that 800 Tiger looks gorgeous in yellow. The 660cc is enough power for me, but it looks a bit weedy next to the 800cc/ Hmmmmm.
Tiger Sport 800 is the sweet sport for a midsize touring/sports touring that's not a litre class bike. Best looks in class (sorry Tracer 9 you are just REALLY ugly) and non-T crank Triumph triple engine fun (byebye Chinese parallel twin engine of the F900XR) with more ompf than the 660.
It always makes me giggle like a school kid when I hear the words Harley Davidson and new models combined in the one sentence.
The early 2000s called, it wants its quip back.
113Hp to 120hp is what the speed twin 1200 should be makimg at a minimum. Triumph always misses the mark by just enough to hurt their sales.
Nothing from Suzuki... : (
Hopefully next year an AfricaTwin competitor with an 1100 cc, vstrom 800 construction, engine, 110-120 HP, 19/17 inch spoked wheel, 180 mm e-suspention from the GX 👃
Check out the GSX-S1000GT
That giant Yamaha is super ugly and expensive while still needing chain and sprocket, lubrication between, replacements😮... As a long-range travel bike😂
it is a shame for the moto constructors that you have to include the word "new" on the video title..... New should mean best by default....
When you buy a motorcycle you're going to shell out; a $hit-lot money. ... So keep this in mind. Your bike is a piece of s*** to everyone that owns the same one or same brand or same style of bike. Only the uninterested in motorcycles will categorize your bike in a way that is valuable. 😮 Your bike being noticed by someone uninterested in motorcycles is the only thing that makes it interesting 🤔
💸 unless you're interested in what riding that motorcycle will do for you.
That triumph dash is absolutely horrid. It looks awful on every single bike in their line up
That Yamaha is hideous, no chance buying a bike that ugly.
I agree. Yamaha just can't get the looks right. Every generation just seems to get uglier. The same with mt09, which journos keep praising. What the hell are they playing at?
Triumph = built in India. No thanks.
Triumph bikes are build in Thailand - just like many Japanese bikes (many Honda and Kawasaki bikes are made in Thailand). Only the Speed 400s are build in India.
Very expensive bikes..
Hmm, EU bike selling at waaay cheaper prices to garner sales from their own home grown effort. I think Mr T might have thoughts on that.
Maybe BMW have already factored any forthcoming tariffs into the new price ?
@stewy62 Lol, Germany don't look that far ahead. They just look to the EU for misguidance.
Does anyone really like all those Automatics? I've tested both Yamaha's new box and Hondas DCT. And I don't like them. They shift too hard and goes to a too high gear, that makes the ride sluggish and keeps you waiting for the downshift before you can overtake or get away from a dangerous situation. DANGEROUS!
I own a new Honda NT1100 DCT, and the gearshift is so smooth you can barely tell it’s changed gear (both up & down). Far slicker than any manual box with or without a quick shifter. There are 3 sports modes which hold onto gears longer to varying degrees, so no problem if you want a more spirited ride with predictable gear changing…
You can use semi auto mode withe paddle shift. I use mine all,of the time.
Lets see if the US consumers will get a 25% terrifs on some motorbikes due to their choice of president
What is a terrif?
Sorrry a 660 Tiger is not a touring bike, its a standard or a sport standard.
Sports tourer
Sorrry a 660 Tiger is not a touring bike, its a standard or a sport standard.
Have you actually ridden one? I have a Tiger 660 and would happily tour on it! Might lack a bit of power when two up with luggage but that's why they've introduced the 800. Many people tour with the Tiger sport and love it.
It's a sport touring.
There's nothing called "sport standard"