The Division | The Guide To Higher/More Damage | Additive vs Multiplicative
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- While streaming and theory crafting, the topic of additive vs multiplicative damage came up and some guys wanted me to go more in depth on the differences between the two and how it can affect your overall damage. That is what this video is going to be, I will be showing you, what is what, and teach you how to maximize your damage output utilizing the mechanics of both. Hope it helps.
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Great video dude, glad to just watch and do no lifting :D
MarcoStyle nice vid
If you are interested in the build I used in this video, you can find that in the end of the video.
If not, you can always find it earlier on patreon dot com slash widdz.
widdz i dont play this game anymore, but i still watch marco, because his vids are the best explained gaming vids on yt. I click this vids again and again. Just to let him earn more money. He deserves it. Fact.
Dizzie Widdz What build??
Gold xD
its realy from my heart i love how you explain everything & thats not all you work hard with adding in yor videos realy bro you have all my respect...MarcoStyle
As amazing as your videos are, this is by far the best piece of art that you have ever made. Can't thank you enough dude :)
MarcoStyle
Could you please put a build together? Banshe with a ninjabike, what would work the best? Is it worth stacking adept to get the damage up?
Thanks
Since I watched ur videos at patch 1.4(maybe). I've become a big fan of you. The difference between "increase weapon damage" and "increase damage" has confusing me for awhile. And once again , u just solved my problem. Thank u
Once again some of the best division available. Thanks for putting this togther. Very informative.
Marco was sent down from the division Gods
your video´s are super, ik wou dat ik jou in mijn vrienden lijst had man ;) groetjes Taylor_NL
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Thanks Marco, this is the best info on any video since 1.3, i was finally on the right track but didnt kniw why tje build was suddenly so much harder hitting...
Well met and hello to all here, wanted to say thank you Macro for this information. I fully understand the amount of work needed to research 'Massive Math' concerning Weapon Talents, Gear Set Talents and Player Stats. Yes Macro does indeed take the 'heavy lifting' for me (us) but it has to sink in and really get it or as I say the light blub effect "AAAAAH ok I get it!" and hence why I'm saying, "Thank you"
I've kept every single gear set, almost ever single weapon type, gear mod, performance mod (within reason of course due to space and stats) having 3 other characters I do have but *face palm* it all just gets messy at times, hence again with these types of videos it can help me weed through the good stuff in my stash and trash the other OCD crap I've kept over the past since release.
Again Thank you Macro
The einstein of division. Marco never ceases to amaze with his theories and numbers. I love it
The best most helpful video you have ever made!!! Such an amazing video. This information enables me to make a better build and adjust my builds!
Thanks dude!
It helped me out with my return. Great video, thank you!
Agreed, that's a lot of heavy lifting. And I'm grateful that you'd share your findings.
I quit playing The Division sometime before Last Stand came out - and not long after, you had called into question whether you'd still be doing Division content (or any content) with your channel. For what it's worth, I just watched an almost 15 minute video on how the math of The Division works when I haven't even played in months, and possibly might never even return to. Your content is THAT GOOD, and the effort you put into your videos makes them interesting enough that even people like myself that aren't even playing the game anymore will continue to watch. I'm personally glad you decided to continue creating content, thanks!
Goddammit, Banshee was my dirty little secret. THANKS MARCO
Thanks for this video Marco... I've viewed countless Division videos that try and explain which talents we should be using. I gotta say that this one is the best of them all. Great job man
By the way,your content is deeply appreciated and we always looking forward for your videos.keep it up!!
you sould do a vid on all talents as some are a little confusing on what they do , and when sould i use what.. love this vid and any like this... so thank you for taking the time to do this for us.
And now I'm gonna spend hours looking through all my build and rebuild them. Still, no one knows more about the under mechanics of The Division than Marco.
All I want to know is what software (I'm assuming After Effects?) do you use to make those illustrations. Been biting my head over it for my videos! Great vid none the less mate, it's about time people knew the difference haha!
Can you guys shout me out to help grow my channel it would mean the world thanks guys
MarcoStyle damn you Marco now I have to change all my excel sheets from 1.3 had no idea so much changed. But thank you for letting us know.
TheOGSwagPanda can make them with premiere also going to take more time also
Glad to see another Division tuber utilising After Effects haha! I thought I was alone in that aspect!
TheOGSwagPanda I was always doing that but I started doing a whole bunch of testing on everything there was that you could test in the division
With a video like this I'm fucking glad Marco is back
I watch almost all videos you upload, as they are always entertaining and/or knowledge sharing. Super-informative and greatly appreciated, thanks for your time, effort, and contribution.
I still love this vid. Talk about reverse engineering the game guts. Much respect Marco.
I feel like I'm in college watching this video. But suprisingly, I'm enjoying it! Thanks MS!! This helps alot and jesus your edits are insane! So professional!
Very informative. I just back in division and trying to platinum it. Lot of these videos help.
you are master mathematics lifter man!!! you are awesome, and I'm really happy to have you in this community.
Great job. Good to see you doing Division videos again.
Man.... I'm so bad at math. Thank u for doing the lifting. I have struggled with the competent vs responsive talent for a while. Great video!!!! Thank u.....
Well all RUclipsrs are here, THE LEGEND WIDDZ, THE AMAZING PANDA, AND THE BRUTAL MID7AT.
But we are the people thanking you Marco ( the division brain ) for this ongoing massive effort.
I thank you and the people of the division fucking thank you..
Keep it up 👏
Great vid! I knew my LMG Banshee build wasn't hitting as hard as I thought it should. Now I know why.
Just found your channel, recently picked up the division last Friday and maxed score. Finding out all this stuff is incredibly helpful and great. Love the content :D
Thank you Marco, really, Thank you for helping the community! So glad you came back.
thanks alot... you dont know how much you have helped me :) i made a build using ban+pred+ ninja backpack... and now im using the right talents on my weapons... i just surviveed a man hunt... me and 2 of my buddies againsr 4 different groups... thanks alot :)
I havent played this game for over a year but i still watch Marco's vids
So I don't play The Division anymore but I love the way you do your videos that I still watch all of them anyway. LOL
For someone to go and do all this work deserves all the subscribers in the world.
High quality video and a great help! I had no idea that dte worked on skills. And I knew that my dead eye worked better since I added ead, but I had no idea why. Thank you for putting number's down and doing the math to figure it all out!!!!!! Great video and information! !!
Really miss Marco playing division. Div 2 doesnt feel the same without Marco content and analysis.
Props to U man Macro and ur intelligence bro...this video has meant to me soo much . Really appreciate the handwork u would have done behind this video and the amount of time u would have put in. Keep making such videos and soon or later u will be called the GOD DIVISION PLAYER!!!
Absolutely amazing video, Marco!
As a somewhat new player, your content is godsend. The game can be so illusive in relaying the most important information, but you sir, are just saving my ass with these videos
This is unreal. Thank you so much for taking the time to do this. I had no idea this game was coded like this.
I've learned so much about this game by watching your videos, good shit bro and thnx!
This video was beyond informative ... Thanks man
All I can say is wow bro! Once again awesome work. I'm glad someone like you is apart of this community.
thank you for your kindly guide~
some items already knew by other Korean streamer, but other talent and Set options didn't know that
get the good chance of making New build
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I'm not chinese lol
윤민수 sorry ill sub to u in return
it's OK. bro~ have a good day~
Thank you sir, just getting back into the division, and this is great info. Appreciate it! Go Divison! Am really happy to see it in such a good state after what was a shaky start, to say the least!
Thanks Bro, by far you do the best job explaining the various dynamics of this game!
iam downloading that pic and yet i will be back to this vid because it is just a masterpiece i love the way that you explain things i love the fact that you never upload a shitty video ( look at me im so cool melting ppl in dz ) i love the fact that you always win the argument when everyone saying that you have no clue what you are talking about AND i love the fact that i never commented to any youtuber before and yet here iam commenting for the first time on your video great job man i depreciate the effort u put in every single video of yours and i hope that every division youtuber would pick a thing or 2 from you
Another great video from the Division Analyst. Very informative yet not overwhelming... Good stuff!
Best Mathematics lecture I've ever seen on RUclips! Good job!
Whew! Brain power just got a 15% boost, can't wait to get online and mess around with some builds. Many thanks fellow agent.
Another great video, marco! Just speculating here, but it seems like the multiplicative bonuses all need some information from the server which means they are most likely calculated after the additive ones. For instance, the client knows when booster shot, competent, skulls proc but the server would need to tell the client when responsive, prepared, OOC proc.
Excellent video and thank you for the information. Keep up the good work and the heavy lifting
Great stuff Marco..once again your video is worth every second of my bandwidth
Great video Marco, please keep them coming! 👍👍👍
You just explain the things so well. By far the best division youtuber
Yo marco tyvm for making this video, I have my 3 friends that just got the game and hit 30. I've boosted them to 256 but they have soooo many questions about how to do more damage.
Also I learned a lot from this as well!
Also, I was thinking about your response to my thread where you said why don't you just finish opponents off with your gun and my response was that I tried, but my gun was too weak.
I think the main issue is most of us low firearm players don't know how to maximize our dps because most dps guides center around having high firearms.
I feel like there has to be something we low firearm users can learn to make our guns effective dispite the low firearms, but I'd have no idea of what it is.
Anyways I'd love to see a video for full electronic users and how to maximize your weapons damage at low firearms. Maybe a rampage with hitting sticky bombs on people and finishing them off would be cool, I'd love to see it work out because I love the sticky bomb and I miss using it.
Your numbers and testing approach borders on the pedantic sometimes, but you, Sir, are badass as they can get. I have yet to run up on any other RUclipsr with the evidence-based recommendations that you present. You have earned another fan. Kudos!
Marco where were you when I was in highschool doing math. I needed you bro.
i don't even play this game anymore but I still love your videos about it!
Marcos you continue to amaze me!!! Please keep doing exactly what you do best. Informative videos. Thank you brother
Your a mathematical genius man an taking all the time to do everything in reverse amazing dude keep it up 🤙
This is harder than my math in school
Deserves way more subs considering all the work that must have been put into make this, great video Marco.
Wow... thanks man tat made so much sense. I never thought of this until you explained it it’s so simple now I know you’ve explained it in simple terms. Thank you.
Thanks! Been struggling with those bully rogues literally for years
Also love the video, still loving all the math videos! Thanks so much for putting in all that work. I don't have enough time to play as it is and these videos keep me playing at a top level without having to invest the crazy amount of time I wish I had
Great vid as usual Marcostyle! I've been running a super successful last stand build with Ninja bike messenger bag! 3 predator, 3 banshee, and 2 Striker's pieces! Believe me when I say that 20% extra stability is critical to me winning most gunfights with my Lightweight M4 Responsive, Deadly, Unforgiving! It's glass cannon doing 25,600 base dmg in Last Stand!
Chris Marz this sounds like a great build how high is your skill power and haste for healing
Excellent video as usual Marco....good job. Keep up the good work on these Division videos. Your are the best.
So... I think
ADDITIVE: A player controlled boost you control when you get these for example, booster or competent things you activate.
Multiplicative: You don’t need to press anything to activate them. So banshees three piece is active as soon as you equip it and stays active same as deadly, responsive all the talents that don’t require player activation
INIEILILY banshees and predator
Bingo.
Thank you so much sir you have no idea how many questions I've had for so long that you just answered
i give you a thumb up for the theory crafting. i haven't play division in 6+ months.
Love this kind of detail! Awesome video!
I remember you talking about doing this in a stream, and you delivered. Thank you! 👍
Hey Marco, very informative video opened my eyes to my builds good job pal.
PROfessor Marco, This is awesome. Thank you sir.
Very good video mab. Glad to see someone who actually knows wtf they're talking about.
Lol I literally needed this vid 😂😂😂 saw someone comment this on a build vid and I was like how do I know what one is good
as always ! great video dude ! thanks for sticking around and doing ur thing
Thank you for mentioning brutal! I've always used that talent for sniping.
Randy Walker u don't use brutal on a sniper lmao
Marco i need to say that you are so smart. 1st one who finished mechanical engineering telling you that you did great job and took you a long time to do this. Just you are awsome :) and you really know your shit :D
Even though I go months without playing the % I'm glad you didn't stop covering it since I've learnt the most from your videos. Besides it seems like you never lose your cool and I always end up agreeing with you. Can't say that about all the others. Also your purple gear solo dz experiment video was insane, I saw it 7 months ago but it still changed my opinion on the dz to this day
God damn Marco, you have thee best gaming videos I've ever seen.
Other than the division, are you going to be putting this sort of attention to any other games this year?
Marco I love this stuff and I know you love breaking the game down. Thanks for your contributions to the community. Excellent work!
I think this kind of sums up why along with many other issues the division didn't do as well as we all hoped it would, firstly no clear direction from the devs, all talents should be additive, only crit and headshot multi, and along with it the fact its not clear which it leads to it being confusing, too many people moaning about why their build isn't as good because they cant understand why it isn't. leads to salt everywhere. u think that's snow ur standing on??? really great video as always still if it all gets fixed ud be out of a job and no one wants that so hay lol
And this is why Marco is the very best ... great video
Marco thank you so much for the guide. This videos explains things so good. You rock man.
As usuall Marco, great game theory shown here!
love the video bro it help me a lot..
At 7:42 I was like aww man we have to do this and then all the of the sudden ur like that why you got me, I never felt so happy to hear those words
If I'm honest i thought it was pretty common knowledge between the whole additive and multiplicative differences. It makes sense to have talents such as responsive, and prepared not additive because they are activated by distance as opposed to skill so it would make sense for them to be multiplicative as situationally they're harder to activate and in theory a little more tricky to play with. To have things like the booster shot and competent multiplicative as well would be crazy because it would add insane amounts of damage, stacking your increased damage rather than increasing the damage by the original damage % so additive in this instance makes perfect sense. A nice video to explain it to people who don't get it so much though, but I thought it was something pretty obvious given the ways in which these buffs are applied
Hands down best Division content creator!
I have an issue with the formula at 5:54. If headshot and crit damage are multiplicative, why are they ADDITIVE against each other? If they're multiplicative, the formula should be:
5000 x (1 + 0.10 + 0.15 + 0.16 + 0.10 + 0.10) x (1 + 1.00) x (1 + 0.70)
*Edit: After further in on the video... HS + Crit damage is explained. Thanks. Since that's the case, disregard the above.
This is one of the things that a Path of Exile player knows well. GGG does a great job of making it known if a damage increase is additive or multiplicative using keywords. If it's additive, they say "10% increased damage". If it's multiplicative, they say "10% more damage". And they're consistent using this wording because it's so important to how damage is scaled. Additive damage has diminishing returns. Every unit of additive damage scales your final damage linearly. Multiplicative damage has polynomial returns. Every unit of multiplicative damage scales each other unit of multiplicative damage.
Basically:
Additive: y = 2x
Multiplicative: y = x^2
It's obvious which one grows faster.
The issue with the Division is that it's completely unclear what's multiplicative and what's additive. Poor job of informing us of this mechanic. Prior to the video, I'd assumed all damage increases were additive. Great work! Time to do more of my own research now...
So glad your back man!!!
as always a high quality content. i never realized responsive is multiplicative always thought competent, i believe adept deadly responsive in AR is godly talent.
Amazing video MarcoStyle
marco doin' the lord's work.
Outstanding delivery
Great video man. Thank you
Great video Marco, Nice to see you are back again!