8-4: The History of Super Mario Bros.' Most Optimised Level
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
- 8-4 is a level that has been optimised to its breaking point by a handful of speedrunners over the past few years. Here are their stories.
Co-written by iBall1_
With help from Kosmic and Taven Webb
Inspired by Summoning Salt
Side note: Since there aren't any surviving videos of the fastest 8-4s from before 2013 or so, the early videos I show in this are more to show how strategies evolved over time and how runners got more consistent, not to say "this was the definitive fastest time".
Also, GTAce99 had a run that was tied with Taven entering water in December 2019. This completely slipped my mind while making this, but it's still very significant as that was the first ever time anyone had tied Taven into water.
Edit: As of 17/07/2020, top 5 now requires a 44.360 or better, as GTAce99 got one too. Pretty insane given that only three months ago there was only one .360, and top 5 was barely a 44.3xx.
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The resources and tools over the years have changed things so much. You might not realize that during that 2013 era ("The Closest 8-4 Will Ever Be to Perfect") no one ever really used/had the means to use savestates, so I had to die and wait for the level to reload on every 8-4 attempt. There's also a clear knowledge gap between then and now. As you said, I was under the impression that fast accel only saved 1 frame. The right release/down+right strat made getting perfect water a million times easier too. Add in the practice rom to tell us exactly how fast each room actually is being played (instead of me recording attempts and frame counting them all, sometimes inaccurately) and it's just so much better today! Crazy how much things can change even in 1 level of a pretty simple game.
Great video!
Hi kosmic first reply
Hey Kosmic!
@Francesco Di Lillo yeah I feel ya man, huge losers for having a fun hobby and not being obsessed with the French revolution. For sure
@Francesco Di Lillo minchia, devi essere quello divertente alle feste...
I once played tomb raider with no memory card (couldn’t afford one after console and that one game) for a few months. Had to start over every run which made me very good at first few levels. One day I had a funny idea to turn my tv off and play. To my own amazement I completed the first 2 levels off muscle memory. I claimed I could do this at a party and a friend said he’d give me $50 if I could pull it off. Someone else said dude he’s just gonna enter level skip codes after walking around. So I agreed to do it blindfolded, facing away from the tv, with the volume muted. Used the $ to buy a memory card😎
That was put together really well! Nice video
niftski! PogChamp (congrats on 1k subs)
Nice 4:54
4:54
Of all the legendary speedrunners, there are none better than you, sir.
27/02/2022. Last frame was saved. The closest 8-4 will ever be to perfect (because it is literally perfect). Humans are literally tied with the TAS, literally.
“If a TAS can do it, I can do it” Those who believe they can, often can
if they have enough time and determination than certainly
And now, 8-4 by human is TAS tie
That summoning salt Impression got my attention XD
This video was made by the fastest Mario Bros. player ever (literally, at least to today). Dude, congratulations so much.
Oh my god, niftski used fast accel on last room to finish in 44.327. insanity.
niftski out here obseleting my video less than a week after it releases lmao
and now he got 8-8+1, with 8-C iirc. insane, also dfa has not be covered in this video yet
@@Honey_Beef 25:15 assuming you mean the dfa that's done for 8-C walljump and stuff
@@MiniIand bruh i'm actually dumb
@@MiniIand And now another frame's been saved.
At 25:34, Miniland says "If someone were able to get the extra frame in wall-jump room, a frame 66 in turnaround, and the extra two frames in last room with a TAS fast accel, a time of 44.2 seconds would be possible. Who will take the time that low? We'll have to wait and see."
No need to wait, Miniland. : - ) LeKukie did this just a couple of days ago.
kukie ftw
Miniland this is a masterpiece
Masterful video
Seriously, very well done. This is really amazing.
Was not expecting to be in the video lol
and how lmao
Cool man who
Who ru
this gives me summoning salt vibes love the video
This is why we call them moving platforms…
Their official name is 'Lift', some guides coll them Elevators. Pully Lifts and Flimsy Lifts also exist…
But Lifts & Elevators, as defined by English, largely change elevation… that platform in the lava pit goes left and right…
So we've come to call them Moving Platforms instead. The official English name is likely the closest translation NoA and NoE could think of at the time.
Love that we have Kosmic and Niftski in comments, since Minilands WR is why I'm even here 😆
The reason why 8-4 is so optimized compared to the rest of the levels are 2 aside from the one you mentioned. First, that level has much more technical depth than other levels, involving things like walljumps, wrong warps and fast acceleration. Second, it forces you to take deviations from the usual straight line you usually take.
Update time! Also just realized never said great vid so great vid!
very good video, we see the inspiration of summoning salt, without copying him at all. this video is the reason why you will get famous, on twitch and on youtube, and peoples like me, (simgames if you remember) will be able to say "i was here at the beginning...
i would say the most 2 levels in the game that have been worked on the most are 4-2 and most deff this one 8-4...great video
Excellent video brother. You should do more like this
Well I guess the algorithm wants me to view this. And after looking at all the other videos on your channel, you got yourself a new subscriber.
It's worth pointing out that 8-4 is not an exception to the frame rule by any game mechanic; the timing just ends before it comes into play. In a full game playthrough, each level will wait to start until the start of a frame rule, so any gains or losses within a frame rule are wiped away. But timing ends in 8-4 when you touch the axe, so it matters how fast you get there. If you do a playthrough of both quests, there will be another frame rule after 8-4 before starting the second quest. There is even a frame rule for the title screen before starting 1-1. It applies to the start of every level.
Ah yeah, the classic wooljump. Great video
13:21
*KOWARETA SONG*
*KOWARETA SONG*
someone noticed :o
dashers rise up
I noticed that too but I decided not to comment because I didn't think anyone would know what I meant
idk kriler being 6'5" still is the most impressive thing ive seen in this video
we love miniland's accent
Very well made; great job!
you haven't seen it yet lmao
@@MiniIand or has he...
@@LeKukie o_o
@@MiniIand are you telling me that it's not well made? 😓
Summoning Tea
wen summoning milk
More like SummoningSyrup
Summoning bagged milk
13:20 dude it’s kowareta song I’m shitting on the floor rn
femboy level
YEAH LOL
Like, could you not?
Really cool video, enjoyed it thoroughly my dude. Subbed, and keep up the great work!
Fast accels are like second nature to Kosmic. I always laugh when he does them in romhacks
Great video !!
Miniland: The Cooler Summoning Salt
*HOME: We're Finally Landing intensifies*
This is such a good video
excellent video and good music choices :)
I didn't expect this video to be about speedrunning
🤨
Very cool video. Kinda popped up randomly on my suggestions
Incredible video
if this doesnt become your most viewed video I'm suing smh
fr tho, great vid, and I hope to see more in the future
p.s wen low 4:56
tyty
low 456 with 1-2 clip + 4-2 blazit maybe because 8-3 is a bruh moment
@@MiniIand wait wut i thought blazit was the devil's trick and now you are succumbing to the devil
@@cammycakes216 it's awful but 1/15 at 8-3 fpg is kind of a thing also
I've watched this 3 times lol, very good video
4-2: I am the most optimized SMB level
8-4: hold my double fast accel
I've been wanting this video very nice!
You deserve more subscribers, because this is amazing!
large pog
@@MiniIand pog indeed
i've rewatched this video and it's so great
Dad with another banger
Hi skippy
@Miniland when will you do the sequel since TAS tie was achived by Lekukie and Niftski?
Yes miniland
so uhh I needa wake up at 4am, and then make sure I get out by 6am so I can go to school. thanks miniland :kosmicz:
so I did the part to wake up by 4
@@allenbot did you get out by 6am tho?
yeah I did. i had a math test that day too.
@@allenbot wow!! How did the test go?
late but I did well
LEKUKIE DID IT
Hyped
24:50 "and as of July 22 this is where the record stands"
Video released on 2020-07-15, is there time travelling going on?
"as of july twenty twenty (2020)"
@@MiniIand ah woops
In Britain it would be 22nd of July, not July 22, so that couldn’t make any sense
summoning salt 2
This is very well made!
when will you make a part 2 because lekukie and niftski maxed it out
prolly never but idk making good videos is stressful though
Great Video!
Very well done. Props to you
last time I checked taven had wr, should I get back into speedrunning?
do one day of sub 5 and get it instantly kosmicBrain
Keep in mind, in the water section, there's a Piranha Plant in the pink pipe that's blended in with the water.
There’s no way this was over a year ago
Hello Invoking Sodium Chloride, nice video!
Isn't the most optimized level one where no additional frames can be saved? Like 1-1?
you can segment a 1-1 ~10 frames faster than the current 1-1 in the wr. you can only segment an 8-4 3-4 frames faster than the current 8-4 IL record. i'd argue 8-4 is more optimised
@@MiniIand Oh I thought we were including the frame rule delays in the run. The individual 1-1 record looks like it's been the same since 2009 or earlier.
Actually hyped
I'm not a speed runner, in fact I am a explorer. I rather hunt for every coin, power up, extra life and enemy and am even an advocate for eliminating the timer. However since this is a topic of speed running, if I could make one rule, well, two... the game has to be challenged on origional Nintendo hardware. Origional Cartridge, Super Mario All Stars, Nintendo Mini and must not be a modified version so no updated graphics like whatever that version was on Game Boy DS. Reason: Emulators can be manipulated and altered and there is far too many dishonest people in the world. Not knowing much, other than the whole concept, of speed running... it seems that scores are based on the honor system.
it's easier to convincingly fake runs on console than it is on emu imo. i could fake a 454 right now on console and have it be 100% believable, but i couldn't do that on emu
Yes hello, what is Game Boy DS?
@@aleksaaleksic4353 I'm not much of a gamer since the mid nineties but it was a short lived device released on November 21, 2004 followed by the DS Lite on March 2, 2006 according to the research I just did. It had a foldable clam shell design, with a square shape, a vertical fashion with a screen on both the top and bottom. A D-pad on the left side with four controller buttons in a diamond shape adjacent to the bottom screen on the right as well as "start" and "select" near the top of the right side. I've only seen a few in person but from what I gathered, the idea was for the main game play to be on the bottom while the top screen was more informational such as lives left, level number, maps, world number, etc.
It’s so painfully obvious if the emu was manipulated
Hey British summoning salt
Hey Jackson Jacob
Bring back part 2 pls
14:00 kuzureta in gd!
Nicely done.
Dude very nice video! - SigNasty
good vid dude. keep it up
Dear Miniland, I come from the future with some news... You'll need a chair and a paper bag.
and here i was thinking 4-2 was crazy
but this is twice as crazy!
not as crazy
8-4 is a framerule but its on starting second quest so its fine
I legit thought this was a Summoning Salt video until i heard your voice
6:55 Meteor Herd from SA2.
But 4 months later... Niftski would change everything and get the first sub 44.3 time: 44.294. Around a month later, Brazilian speedrunner LeKukie would tie Niftski's 44.294. With careful planning, hours of practice, and lots of knuckle cracking, 44.195 and maybe even 43.995 can be done.
44.195 is not possible without l+r and 43.995 isn’t a possible time, and even if it was the tas with l+r is 43.994
Wait I didn't know !! I can't wait now
I feel like i'm watching Summoning Salt
Same
Chips
Chups
@@MiniIand 𝓬𝓻𝓲𝓼𝓹𝓼
@@gregli9821 cHiPs
Where are the other comments?
13:38 Ayo it’s the funi kowerata song
deserves so many more views
Outdated once again. 44.2xx has been achieved.
niftski, tree, and lekukie are massive legends indeed
@@ThaAwesome10 ok but tree was the first ever k into water and this comment is also like 6 months old?
Hasn't the perfect 8-4 been done already?
Congrats on 455
Congrats on low 455
Congrats on 454
Such a great video
Yes
Dude this video is acc rly good
3:00 It still is The walljump in the older games werent really walljumps
So I'm the only one that for the first bit kept wondering what a woojump was?
WOW GREAT VIDEO!
Hi I'm from Kosmic's Twitter Account he posted it there... Have a nice day (:
Da heck 47 sec has been the wr, I have done a 45 myself (with strats that prob didn't exist back there such as 2 frame wall jump and wrong warp)
13:21 kowareta song
Came back when humans tied the tas
This is cool but backwards Mario is cheating >:(
not to mention that niftski 1) played on emulator which is cheating and illegal irl and 2) is literally blue and therefore inhuman
Also theyre all cheating they went through a firebar and a plant 😠
@niftski please stop using splicing runs
Me waiting for the reign of Kosmic
thicc video
Great vid
m
good video!
good channel, good video.
So until today if we get the best human time on every level, according FR(frame rule) the game had finished under 4:55? I mean now we save FR on level 8-2
Yes - the human sum of best right now (sum of all of the best segments done full level) is 4:54.68, but Niftski has come very close to saving the lightning 4-2 framerule, so the sum of best may fall to 4:54.3 very soon!
Loved it
great content ;0