8-4: The History of Super Mario Bros.' Most Optimised Level

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  • Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
  • 8-4 is a level that has been optimised to its breaking point by a handful of speedrunners over the past few years. Here are their stories.
    Co-written by iBall1_
    With help from Kosmic and Taven Webb
    Inspired by Summoning Salt
    Side note: Since there aren't any surviving videos of the fastest 8-4s from before 2013 or so, the early videos I show in this are more to show how strategies evolved over time and how runners got more consistent, not to say "this was the definitive fastest time".
    Also, GTAce99 had a run that was tied with Taven entering water in December 2019. This completely slipped my mind while making this, but it's still very significant as that was the first ever time anyone had tied Taven into water.
    Edit: As of 17/07/2020, top 5 now requires a 44.360 or better, as GTAce99 got one too. Pretty insane given that only three months ago there was only one .360, and top 5 was barely a 44.3xx.
    Music used in the video: docs.google.co...

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  • @Kosmicd12
    @Kosmicd12 4 года назад +487

    The resources and tools over the years have changed things so much. You might not realize that during that 2013 era ("The Closest 8-4 Will Ever Be to Perfect") no one ever really used/had the means to use savestates, so I had to die and wait for the level to reload on every 8-4 attempt. There's also a clear knowledge gap between then and now. As you said, I was under the impression that fast accel only saved 1 frame. The right release/down+right strat made getting perfect water a million times easier too. Add in the practice rom to tell us exactly how fast each room actually is being played (instead of me recording attempts and frame counting them all, sometimes inaccurately) and it's just so much better today! Crazy how much things can change even in 1 level of a pretty simple game.
    Great video!

    • @DISSINER
      @DISSINER 3 года назад +1

      Hi kosmic first reply

    • @SlickONick
      @SlickONick 3 года назад +1

      Hey Kosmic!

    • @Kosmicd12
      @Kosmicd12 3 года назад +13

      @Francesco Di Lillo yeah I feel ya man, huge losers for having a fun hobby and not being obsessed with the French revolution. For sure

    • @TheAndreadbx
      @TheAndreadbx 3 года назад +1

      ​@Francesco Di Lillo minchia, devi essere quello divertente alle feste...

    • @lethalwolf7455
      @lethalwolf7455 3 года назад +3

      I once played tomb raider with no memory card (couldn’t afford one after console and that one game) for a few months. Had to start over every run which made me very good at first few levels. One day I had a funny idea to turn my tv off and play. To my own amazement I completed the first 2 levels off muscle memory. I claimed I could do this at a party and a friend said he’d give me $50 if I could pull it off. Someone else said dude he’s just gonna enter level skip codes after walking around. So I agreed to do it blindfolded, facing away from the tv, with the volume muted. Used the $ to buy a memory card😎

  • @Niftski
    @Niftski 4 года назад +206

    That was put together really well! Nice video

    • @theNova99
      @theNova99 3 года назад +1

      niftski! PogChamp (congrats on 1k subs)

    • @FooN2955
      @FooN2955 3 года назад +1

      Nice 4:54

    • @enriktigasna
      @enriktigasna 3 года назад

      4:54

    • @Currnation22
      @Currnation22 2 года назад +1

      Of all the legendary speedrunners, there are none better than you, sir.

  • @Pankaw
    @Pankaw 2 года назад +22

    27/02/2022. Last frame was saved. The closest 8-4 will ever be to perfect (because it is literally perfect). Humans are literally tied with the TAS, literally.

  • @czr5014
    @czr5014 3 года назад +105

    “If a TAS can do it, I can do it” Those who believe they can, often can

    • @thugboi393
      @thugboi393 3 года назад +7

      if they have enough time and determination than certainly

    • @cheetahgaming1873
      @cheetahgaming1873 2 года назад +1

      And now, 8-4 by human is TAS tie

  • @nachorzeszut1857
    @nachorzeszut1857 4 года назад +24

    That summoning salt Impression got my attention XD

  • @chedagoz7145
    @chedagoz7145 3 года назад +9

    This video was made by the fastest Mario Bros. player ever (literally, at least to today). Dude, congratulations so much.

  • @Aldar21
    @Aldar21 4 года назад +22

    Oh my god, niftski used fast accel on last room to finish in 44.327. insanity.

    • @MiniIand
      @MiniIand  4 года назад +25

      niftski out here obseleting my video less than a week after it releases lmao

    • @Honey_Beef
      @Honey_Beef 4 года назад +2

      and now he got 8-8+1, with 8-C iirc. insane, also dfa has not be covered in this video yet

    • @MiniIand
      @MiniIand  4 года назад +3

      @@Honey_Beef 25:15 assuming you mean the dfa that's done for 8-C walljump and stuff

    • @Honey_Beef
      @Honey_Beef 4 года назад +2

      @@MiniIand bruh i'm actually dumb

    • @Qril
      @Qril 3 года назад +2

      @@MiniIand And now another frame's been saved.

  • @keithsanders6446
    @keithsanders6446 3 года назад +11

    At 25:34, Miniland says "If someone were able to get the extra frame in wall-jump room, a frame 66 in turnaround, and the extra two frames in last room with a TAS fast accel, a time of 44.2 seconds would be possible. Who will take the time that low? We'll have to wait and see."
    No need to wait, Miniland. : - ) LeKukie did this just a couple of days ago.

    • @egg6572
      @egg6572 3 года назад +1

      kukie ftw

  • @LeonToast
    @LeonToast 4 года назад +49

    Miniland this is a masterpiece

  • @Thelxinoe
    @Thelxinoe 4 года назад +6

    Masterful video
    Seriously, very well done. This is really amazing.

  • @RoyLGamer
    @RoyLGamer 4 года назад +112

    Was not expecting to be in the video lol

  • @necrolord5799
    @necrolord5799 4 года назад +5

    this gives me summoning salt vibes love the video

  • @RealmsCrossMyths
    @RealmsCrossMyths 3 года назад +2

    This is why we call them moving platforms…
    Their official name is 'Lift', some guides coll them Elevators. Pully Lifts and Flimsy Lifts also exist…
    But Lifts & Elevators, as defined by English, largely change elevation… that platform in the lava pit goes left and right…
    So we've come to call them Moving Platforms instead. The official English name is likely the closest translation NoA and NoE could think of at the time.

  • @Real_Artician
    @Real_Artician 3 года назад +2

    Love that we have Kosmic and Niftski in comments, since Minilands WR is why I'm even here 😆

  • @N12015
    @N12015 3 года назад +2

    The reason why 8-4 is so optimized compared to the rest of the levels are 2 aside from the one you mentioned. First, that level has much more technical depth than other levels, involving things like walljumps, wrong warps and fast acceleration. Second, it forces you to take deviations from the usual straight line you usually take.

  • @lilseb3436
    @lilseb3436 3 года назад +1

    Update time! Also just realized never said great vid so great vid!

  • @simgames9133
    @simgames9133 3 года назад +7

    very good video, we see the inspiration of summoning salt, without copying him at all. this video is the reason why you will get famous, on twitch and on youtube, and peoples like me, (simgames if you remember) will be able to say "i was here at the beginning...

  • @zacharycarter3868
    @zacharycarter3868 3 года назад +1

    i would say the most 2 levels in the game that have been worked on the most are 4-2 and most deff this one 8-4...great video

  • @billpozniakas1699
    @billpozniakas1699 3 года назад +2

    Excellent video brother. You should do more like this

  • @krullachief669
    @krullachief669 3 года назад

    Well I guess the algorithm wants me to view this. And after looking at all the other videos on your channel, you got yourself a new subscriber.

  • @EebstertheGreat
    @EebstertheGreat 3 года назад +2

    It's worth pointing out that 8-4 is not an exception to the frame rule by any game mechanic; the timing just ends before it comes into play. In a full game playthrough, each level will wait to start until the start of a frame rule, so any gains or losses within a frame rule are wiped away. But timing ends in 8-4 when you touch the axe, so it matters how fast you get there. If you do a playthrough of both quests, there will be another frame rule after 8-4 before starting the second quest. There is even a frame rule for the title screen before starting 1-1. It applies to the start of every level.

  • @thomasrief
    @thomasrief 4 года назад +4

    Ah yeah, the classic wooljump. Great video

  • @dgbeck
    @dgbeck 3 года назад +3

    13:21
    *KOWARETA SONG*
    *KOWARETA SONG*

    • @MiniIand
      @MiniIand  3 года назад +1

      someone noticed :o

    • @dgbeck
      @dgbeck 3 года назад +1

      dashers rise up

    • @Dep96
      @Dep96 3 года назад

      I noticed that too but I decided not to comment because I didn't think anyone would know what I meant

  • @yelir64
    @yelir64 Год назад +1

    idk kriler being 6'5" still is the most impressive thing ive seen in this video

  • @parzival8108
    @parzival8108 4 года назад +24

    we love miniland's accent

  • @Scrimsion
    @Scrimsion 4 года назад +4

    Very well made; great job!

    • @MiniIand
      @MiniIand  4 года назад +1

      you haven't seen it yet lmao

    • @LeKukie
      @LeKukie 4 года назад +1

      @@MiniIand or has he...

    • @MiniIand
      @MiniIand  4 года назад

      @@LeKukie o_o

    • @Scrimsion
      @Scrimsion 4 года назад

      @@MiniIand are you telling me that it's not well made? 😓

  • @iBall1
    @iBall1 4 года назад +19

    Summoning Tea

    • @MiniIand
      @MiniIand  4 года назад +4

      wen summoning milk

    • @iBall1
      @iBall1 4 года назад +3

      More like SummoningSyrup

    • @xenon2561
      @xenon2561 4 года назад +3

      Summoning bagged milk

  • @stordster
    @stordster 4 года назад +8

    13:20 dude it’s kowareta song I’m shitting on the floor rn

  • @ChicagoRetroGamer
    @ChicagoRetroGamer 3 года назад

    Really cool video, enjoyed it thoroughly my dude. Subbed, and keep up the great work!

  • @kev_whatev
    @kev_whatev 3 года назад +3

    Fast accels are like second nature to Kosmic. I always laugh when he does them in romhacks

  • @ramiro_echeverria
    @ramiro_echeverria 4 года назад +2

    Great video !!

  • @219ms
    @219ms 4 года назад +24

    Miniland: The Cooler Summoning Salt

    • @MiniIand
      @MiniIand  4 года назад +9

      *HOME: We're Finally Landing intensifies*

  • @xenon2561
    @xenon2561 4 года назад +2

    This is such a good video

  • @lexikiq
    @lexikiq 4 года назад +1

    excellent video and good music choices :)

  • @alek11-37
    @alek11-37 3 года назад +2

    I didn't expect this video to be about speedrunning

  • @blazingraven4959
    @blazingraven4959 3 года назад

    Very cool video. Kinda popped up randomly on my suggestions

  • @Aryll_smb
    @Aryll_smb 4 года назад +1

    Incredible video

  • @cammycakes216
    @cammycakes216 4 года назад +1

    if this doesnt become your most viewed video I'm suing smh
    fr tho, great vid, and I hope to see more in the future
    p.s wen low 4:56

    • @MiniIand
      @MiniIand  4 года назад +1

      tyty
      low 456 with 1-2 clip + 4-2 blazit maybe because 8-3 is a bruh moment

    • @cammycakes216
      @cammycakes216 4 года назад +1

      @@MiniIand wait wut i thought blazit was the devil's trick and now you are succumbing to the devil

    • @MiniIand
      @MiniIand  4 года назад +1

      @@cammycakes216 it's awful but 1/15 at 8-3 fpg is kind of a thing also

  • @JimingoRL
    @JimingoRL 3 года назад +1

    I've watched this 3 times lol, very good video

  • @jesicae5975
    @jesicae5975 3 года назад +3

    4-2: I am the most optimized SMB level
    8-4: hold my double fast accel

  • @brandon_lepetrie42
    @brandon_lepetrie42 4 года назад

    I've been wanting this video very nice!

  • @dootskyre
    @dootskyre 4 года назад

    You deserve more subscribers, because this is amazing!

  • @literallylegendary6594
    @literallylegendary6594 3 года назад

    i've rewatched this video and it's so great

  • @skippypenutbudder4725
    @skippypenutbudder4725 4 года назад +6

    Dad with another banger

  • @wiirambo7437
    @wiirambo7437 2 года назад +1

    @Miniland when will you do the sequel since TAS tie was achived by Lekukie and Niftski?

  • @SmithCS
    @SmithCS 4 года назад +2

    Yes miniland

  • @allenbot
    @allenbot 4 года назад +5

    so uhh I needa wake up at 4am, and then make sure I get out by 6am so I can go to school. thanks miniland :kosmicz:

    • @allenbot
      @allenbot 4 года назад +1

      so I did the part to wake up by 4

    • @Kunal29Chopra
      @Kunal29Chopra 4 года назад

      @@allenbot did you get out by 6am tho?

    • @allenbot
      @allenbot 4 года назад

      yeah I did. i had a math test that day too.

    • @Kunal29Chopra
      @Kunal29Chopra 3 года назад

      @@allenbot wow!! How did the test go?

    • @allenbot
      @allenbot 2 года назад

      late but I did well

  • @shika1315
    @shika1315 2 года назад +3

    LEKUKIE DID IT

  • @flamedmonsr1908
    @flamedmonsr1908 4 года назад +2

    Hyped

  • @bugybunny1
    @bugybunny1 4 года назад +2

    24:50 "and as of July 22 this is where the record stands"
    Video released on 2020-07-15, is there time travelling going on?

    • @MiniIand
      @MiniIand  4 года назад +4

      "as of july twenty twenty (2020)"

    • @bugybunny1
      @bugybunny1 4 года назад +1

      @@MiniIand ah woops

    • @kkmac7247
      @kkmac7247 3 года назад

      In Britain it would be 22nd of July, not July 22, so that couldn’t make any sense

  • @gregli9821
    @gregli9821 4 года назад +2

    summoning salt 2

  • @chickenboss36
    @chickenboss36 4 года назад

    This is very well made!

  • @Falkite
    @Falkite 2 года назад +3

    when will you make a part 2 because lekukie and niftski maxed it out

    • @MiniIand
      @MiniIand  2 года назад +1

      prolly never but idk making good videos is stressful though

  • @GameFeverOnline
    @GameFeverOnline 3 года назад +1

    Great Video!

  • @AdamFerrari64
    @AdamFerrari64 4 года назад

    Very well done. Props to you

  • @219ms
    @219ms 4 года назад +6

    last time I checked taven had wr, should I get back into speedrunning?

    • @MiniIand
      @MiniIand  4 года назад +8

      do one day of sub 5 and get it instantly kosmicBrain

  • @connorgaming4125
    @connorgaming4125 3 года назад

    Keep in mind, in the water section, there's a Piranha Plant in the pink pipe that's blended in with the water.

  • @ThaAwesome10
    @ThaAwesome10 3 года назад

    There’s no way this was over a year ago

  • @TinNovaKiin
    @TinNovaKiin 3 года назад

    Hello Invoking Sodium Chloride, nice video!

  • @EGarrett01
    @EGarrett01 3 года назад +1

    Isn't the most optimized level one where no additional frames can be saved? Like 1-1?

    • @MiniIand
      @MiniIand  3 года назад +1

      you can segment a 1-1 ~10 frames faster than the current 1-1 in the wr. you can only segment an 8-4 3-4 frames faster than the current 8-4 IL record. i'd argue 8-4 is more optimised

    • @EGarrett01
      @EGarrett01 3 года назад +1

      @@MiniIand Oh I thought we were including the frame rule delays in the run. The individual 1-1 record looks like it's been the same since 2009 or earlier.

  • @gietie1694
    @gietie1694 4 года назад +1

    Actually hyped

  • @johnny-becker
    @johnny-becker 3 года назад

    I'm not a speed runner, in fact I am a explorer. I rather hunt for every coin, power up, extra life and enemy and am even an advocate for eliminating the timer. However since this is a topic of speed running, if I could make one rule, well, two... the game has to be challenged on origional Nintendo hardware. Origional Cartridge, Super Mario All Stars, Nintendo Mini and must not be a modified version so no updated graphics like whatever that version was on Game Boy DS. Reason: Emulators can be manipulated and altered and there is far too many dishonest people in the world. Not knowing much, other than the whole concept, of speed running... it seems that scores are based on the honor system.

    • @MiniIand
      @MiniIand  3 года назад

      it's easier to convincingly fake runs on console than it is on emu imo. i could fake a 454 right now on console and have it be 100% believable, but i couldn't do that on emu

    • @aleksaaleksic4353
      @aleksaaleksic4353 3 года назад

      Yes hello, what is Game Boy DS?

    • @johnny-becker
      @johnny-becker 3 года назад

      @@aleksaaleksic4353 I'm not much of a gamer since the mid nineties but it was a short lived device released on November 21, 2004 followed by the DS Lite on March 2, 2006 according to the research I just did. It had a foldable clam shell design, with a square shape, a vertical fashion with a screen on both the top and bottom. A D-pad on the left side with four controller buttons in a diamond shape adjacent to the bottom screen on the right as well as "start" and "select" near the top of the right side. I've only seen a few in person but from what I gathered, the idea was for the main game play to be on the bottom while the top screen was more informational such as lives left, level number, maps, world number, etc.

    • @ThaAwesome10
      @ThaAwesome10 3 года назад

      It’s so painfully obvious if the emu was manipulated

  • @jacksonjacob1965
    @jacksonjacob1965 3 года назад +1

    Hey British summoning salt

    • @MiniIand
      @MiniIand  3 года назад +1

      Hey Jackson Jacob

  • @fishy4102
    @fishy4102 2 года назад +1

    Bring back part 2 pls

  • @ПашаРыжаков-ь2ы
    @ПашаРыжаков-ь2ы 2 года назад +1

    14:00 kuzureta in gd!

  • @punchsmack
    @punchsmack 3 года назад

    Nicely done.

  • @signastytv5954
    @signastytv5954 4 года назад

    Dude very nice video! - SigNasty

  • @donuteater7774
    @donuteater7774 3 года назад

    good vid dude. keep it up

  • @UCs6ktlulE5BEeb3vBBOu6DQ
    @UCs6ktlulE5BEeb3vBBOu6DQ 3 года назад

    Dear Miniland, I come from the future with some news... You'll need a chair and a paper bag.

  • @KrazyKyle-ij9vb
    @KrazyKyle-ij9vb 3 года назад

    and here i was thinking 4-2 was crazy
    but this is twice as crazy!

    • @jatloe
      @jatloe 3 года назад

      not as crazy

  • @ujkloin
    @ujkloin Год назад

    8-4 is a framerule but its on starting second quest so its fine

  • @onigiri1685
    @onigiri1685 3 года назад

    I legit thought this was a Summoning Salt video until i heard your voice

  • @finalhazard883
    @finalhazard883 3 года назад

    6:55 Meteor Herd from SA2.

  • @CrimsonDevil_Rias
    @CrimsonDevil_Rias 3 года назад

    But 4 months later... Niftski would change everything and get the first sub 44.3 time: 44.294. Around a month later, Brazilian speedrunner LeKukie would tie Niftski's 44.294. With careful planning, hours of practice, and lots of knuckle cracking, 44.195 and maybe even 43.995 can be done.

    • @ThaAwesome10
      @ThaAwesome10 3 года назад

      44.195 is not possible without l+r and 43.995 isn’t a possible time, and even if it was the tas with l+r is 43.994

  • @Engage_lol
    @Engage_lol 4 года назад +1

    Wait I didn't know !! I can't wait now

  • @AM_-wg1hj
    @AM_-wg1hj 4 года назад +1

    I feel like i'm watching Summoning Salt

  • @Sawyer-mr8bf
    @Sawyer-mr8bf 4 года назад +4

    Chips

  • @jayco4763
    @jayco4763 2 года назад

    13:38 Ayo it’s the funi kowerata song

  • @wish
    @wish 3 года назад

    deserves so many more views

  • @Megacooltommydee
    @Megacooltommydee 4 года назад +2

    Outdated once again. 44.2xx has been achieved.

    • @MiniIand
      @MiniIand  4 года назад +1

      niftski, tree, and lekukie are massive legends indeed

    • @MiniIand
      @MiniIand  3 года назад

      @@ThaAwesome10 ok but tree was the first ever k into water and this comment is also like 6 months old?

  • @rodrigoqteixeira
    @rodrigoqteixeira 9 дней назад

    Hasn't the perfect 8-4 been done already?

  • @kkmac7247
    @kkmac7247 3 года назад +3

    Congrats on 455

    • @kkmac7247
      @kkmac7247 3 года назад

      Congrats on low 455

    • @kkmac7247
      @kkmac7247 3 года назад

      Congrats on 454

  • @cmspeedrunner3733
    @cmspeedrunner3733 3 года назад

    Such a great video

  • @celestiallunar
    @celestiallunar 4 года назад

    Dude this video is acc rly good

  • @Opanker_
    @Opanker_ 3 года назад

    3:00 It still is The walljump in the older games werent really walljumps

  • @cliffshockley4406
    @cliffshockley4406 3 года назад

    So I'm the only one that for the first bit kept wondering what a woojump was?

  • @giffiyt
    @giffiyt 4 года назад

    WOW GREAT VIDEO!

  • @LittleCrap
    @LittleCrap 4 года назад

    Hi I'm from Kosmic's Twitter Account he posted it there... Have a nice day (:

  • @rodrigoqteixeira
    @rodrigoqteixeira 9 дней назад

    Da heck 47 sec has been the wr, I have done a 45 myself (with strats that prob didn't exist back there such as 2 frame wall jump and wrong warp)

  • @sasdrob
    @sasdrob Год назад

    13:21 kowareta song

  • @fishy4102
    @fishy4102 2 года назад

    Came back when humans tied the tas

  • @SirTylerGolf
    @SirTylerGolf 4 года назад +11

    This is cool but backwards Mario is cheating >:(

    • @MiniIand
      @MiniIand  4 года назад +12

      not to mention that niftski 1) played on emulator which is cheating and illegal irl and 2) is literally blue and therefore inhuman

    • @xenon2561
      @xenon2561 4 года назад +4

      Also theyre all cheating they went through a firebar and a plant 😠

    • @ThaAwesome10
      @ThaAwesome10 3 года назад

      @niftski please stop using splicing runs

  • @user-cr8xv3zd5l
    @user-cr8xv3zd5l 3 года назад

    Me waiting for the reign of Kosmic

  • @Glitchman24
    @Glitchman24 4 года назад +1

    thicc video

  • @ultra_exists
    @ultra_exists 3 года назад

    Great vid

  • @aeroxss
    @aeroxss 3 года назад

    good video!

  • @Reckeen_Metal
    @Reckeen_Metal 4 года назад

    good channel, good video.

  • @dimitriskontoleon6787
    @dimitriskontoleon6787 3 года назад

    So until today if we get the best human time on every level, according FR(frame rule) the game had finished under 4:55? I mean now we save FR on level 8-2

    • @MiniIand
      @MiniIand  3 года назад +2

      Yes - the human sum of best right now (sum of all of the best segments done full level) is 4:54.68, but Niftski has come very close to saving the lightning 4-2 framerule, so the sum of best may fall to 4:54.3 very soon!

  • @isaiah1867
    @isaiah1867 4 года назад

    Loved it

  • @EJandEmmanGonzales
    @EJandEmmanGonzales 3 года назад

    great content ;0