The Misconceptions Around Alonso’s Toxicity
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Ron was definitely toxic, Fernando just has a tremendous will to win and wears his heart on his sleeve. Lewis is also a very complex character, also ruthless in his desire to win, hard on his teammates and often a bit petulant and childish. Would Alonso have run riot in a Mercedes? Almost certainly.
@Bilal Khalid
But his frustration was also at peak that time, with years passing no significant improvement in cars performance.
but surely, like you said, if he could have controlled it, he could have secured triple crown.
If you are faster (technically) you doesn't give a shut about your teammate lol
It would probably be the same if he was in the place of hamilton ij the mercedes, didn't have the same history with rosberg, but his personality would cause sparks and fire the same way
@Bilal Khalid people call him out on those statements but at the same time Honda was an absolute joke and making some pretty trash engines, and I say this as a Honda fan. I think Honda holding that against him is just ignoring their own shortcomings at that time.
@frosty snow It was Honda who stated that they will have the best engine in their second season. If the biggest engine manufacturer in the world tells something like that, one is supposed to believe that, specially Alonso and Button. As we all know, the Honda engine was pretty crappy and unreliable.
Even Lewis could not hold his emotions after a P7 at Monaco..just one bad result.
Nando had to bear 7-8yrs of continuous disappointment..
Yeah his career is so sad , so many tough years 2007 ,2010 ,2012 then 2015-2018
Both aren’t really comparable tho
Lewis was mad but he didn’t go out of his way to call the car shit
But again it’s a part of Fernando he will carry the team hard but with a few curses here and there
@@sentientspaghetti1898 Yeah...you can't compare 1 disappointment vs 8yrs of misery.
Lewis that one if is me I am very disappointed and frustration. Not the car but the strategy. WTF is that strategy seriously!!!
@@johnlau6749 lol. That was the best strategy merc could have done, even in hindsight. Lewis had himself to blame for bad quali
Just to add to Hungary 2007, if you see the pit stop you'll see that the tyres fitted to Alonso's car are used hards, while the tyres that the mechanics had there prepared for Hamilton were new softs (Softs were marked with a white line in one of the grooves back then).
Imagine being on a pit stop, knowing that your teammate has ruined your lap previously and now you see that the team puts you worse tyres than your teammate.
Wouldn't you be furious? Because I would.
OMG. I hadn't realized that about the tires before and now I cannot un-see it at 2:22.
Sure. But it's always the reaction that gets the attention.
They were new hard tires. You can see at 2:26 there is no scrubbing to the tire at all. Not to mention it would have been common news by now. Also Alonso said in the post qual interview that he chose the hard compound as for him it was the better tire.
@@SS454LS6 sorry but nope, they were used hard tyres. You can read it on the radio transcripts from FIA over the investigation. Mclaren never clarified why they put those used tyres for Alonso's final run on qualy session. 🤷♂️
@@SS454LS6 despite so, you are right when saying that Alonso asked for hard compound tyres for his final run.
Whatever people say.....I still like him and it was Drivers like Kimi and Alonso made me love F1 in my childhood
He made me love f1 when I was younger too
@@DblCheesyBurger My love for F1 started with Schumi, Kimi, Massa, Alonso.
It’s not the fault of the fans, it’s the fault of the British press which since Hamilton joined mclaren they started to criticize Fernando and put that image of him. Unfortunately britan dominates this sport and via its media can make us have a certain image of certain drivers.
@@kantizx1 same
Agreed. You either love him or hate him, it seems. I’ve never been a huge fan of his but, he’s absolutely one of the greatest racing drivers ever. He has been very entertaining and given some spice where it’s been MUCH needed. I see him as a “necessary evil.”
What Ricciardo didn't realise is, even though he's a multiple race winner and better paid, he is stepping into Norris team.
i think that's a bit of a stretch to be honest. This year was the shortest winter break ever cuz of Covid and there were many many restrictions in developing the cars as I'm sure you know. The only car that looks visibly better than last year is Ferrari and thats because they kind of cheated by finding a loophole to change the entire rear of the car. They were behind the midfield last year but are going to be fighting for 3rd with Mclaren this year....
If you look at all the drivers who changed teams on the grid...everyone is kind of struggling these past 5 races. Vettel is supposed to be in the points but hasn't really been aside from Monaco. The drivers who are back on the grid this year are hardly driving impressively at all. Even Checo is struggling a little in the Red Bull. The only driver matching expectations, maybe even exceeding them, is Carlos Sainz. But again, Ferrari have changed their entire rear - its basically a different car this year compared to last. They would have much less problems adjusting the car to Carlos' liking since they were changin 1/3 of it anyways!!
Danny should be scoring P5-P6 consistently but he's getting P7s and P8 excluding Monaco. I can't blame the P12 on him tho because it is the track with the sharpest turns which require confident braking - the precise thing he is struggling with in the new car. Plus, there is no overtaking so you're basically constricted to the pace of the car in front of you. He is visibly getting more confident in the car every race - he was only a second behind Lando today in FP1 - hopefully, he keeps that up throughout the weekend and on race day! Next year, when Mclaren change their car completely, Danny can give all his input. I will be shocked if he isn't smashing it next year and outperforming Lando. Everyone forgets that this Mclaren car has been the same for basically 3 years now - Lando has 2 more years of driving the same car than Danny!
Interesting take, we'll find out by the end of the season
Agree
I mean I see where you're going but I don't think either Zak Brown or Andreas Seidl give two fucks about who of their drivers brings the wins. It's a whole lot different to Ron's relation with Lewis if you ask me.
@@tanyaghosh2277 "they kind of cheated by finding a loophole to change the entire rear of the car" - There you go my friend: you have just re-interpreted the whole of formula 1 history as "kind of cheating". What Ferrari did was find an innovative and clever solution within the rules to find performance that others overlooked. If you consider this cheating, then Formula 1 is not the sport for you.
They consider him "toxic" because of a few unique traits,
1 - He's damn well aware of how good he is
2 - Man's smart, and has some good insights, and can usually point out what's stupid
3 - Has no filter, but isn't an asshole
4 - Doesn't take shit
5 - Even if you disagree with the how, he's usually got a point
Couple the 5 above traits together and you have an Eyebrow Powered Machine that Pisses off Normies.
Damn right, he doesn't have a fake personality.
Finally, the truth. People like to take Hamilton's side in 2007, forgetting that he was equally to blame for things going ballistic. But the entire video was spot on Aldas, really set the record straight.
Offcourse , lewis isn't happy when he is getting beaten even though it is fair , 2007 or his tweets whining about button and the whining the whole of 2014-2016 about Rosberg , he's a lot better now and I like him but you can't ignore his past actions
@@andyvettel4375 He is still the same. It is just that he stopped whining about losing. Now he whines about not having competition.
@Ponfi sorry but I don't think Russell will be close to hamilton
Lulu was a rookie tho, still no excuse but Nando was the more experienced driver and should know better, so no excuse for him either.
I just think it was all doomed once Nando and Ron went to war anyway.
@@andyvettel4375 Nah, that's just how Lewis is. Doesn't like to lose and always comes undone when things aren't going just so. If he was at war with Bottas, we'd be seeing the same. Nothings changed, except that Bottas isn't much of a challenge.
Fernando is an all time great. His performances on track are incredible. He made me love F1
same here, he is the best :)
Yeah, no matter what you think of his personality or controversies, there's no denying his incredible talent as a driver.
It hurts when the rose tinted glasses get shattered by reality for some people, doesn't it.
@@dirkstrickland135 funny man.
That dreaded McLaren-Honda... While Alonso definitely was harsh publicly about its engine (and we still don't know for sure to what extent it was team failure), that car looked like it was solely powered by Alonso's sheer willpower. It was fantastic.
That car had no business being within the points - let alone getting fastest lap. Man, that McLaren Honda run still is the biggest let down so far in the team.
^
He's not toxic, he's a very direct and sincere Person instead, which most of times turns out to be unpleasant. Toxic people have fake behaviours and he doesn't at all.
Actual toxic people throw people like fernando under the bus in order to make themselves look better, when in reality theyre complete snakes.
Exactly
Mans wasn't toxic he was just honest and willing to point out his higher ups mistakes
He's fast and he knew it
That's how I see him as a driver
Couldn’t have said it better
In Spain, the F1 tv guy, once said that when Alonso was in McLaren, hardly anybody would talk to him at the McLaren facilities other than to inform about car issues or so, and they went even further by sending a spanish guy who worked in the McLaren´s kitchen on the race road trips, to do something else so that Fernando couldn´t talk to him. They -lewis and Ron Dennis- made his life miserable in 2007, yet he was the toxic one
Your source: a Spanish tv guy.
I once heard a British guy said that Alonso would piss in Hamilton's morning coffee.
@@dirkstrickland135 the spanish tv guy is one of fernando´s best friends lol
@@AS-lz1mq was it Lobato?
@@sergiosanchis9986 Ye
@@dirkstrickland135 zingy
Alonso is one of the greatest. Imagine an equal talent, like Max for example, was given cars that underdelivered year after year. I could see them both going down very similar career paths.
Max doesnt have nandos potential, not right now, maybe in the future though
@@arjungrewal17 That's not how potential works:/
@@crawfordbrown75 hahaha
@@crawfordbrown75 i disagree. Your potential to do well increases with the amount of experience you have, with the amount of skills you develop. There is a big difference between having the talent to be a champ and have the potential to be a champ. A very fast driver in F3 has the talent to be a champ but someone like leclerc or Max has the potential to become a champ
@@arjungrewal17 I guess it's just down to how you personally define it tbh, fair assessment from yourself
8:09 ah yes the great Ferrari master🅱lan, 🅱oss.
If ppl tell that Fernando is toxic, then it's like telling schumi was a hitman. Ppl will only realize the anger Alonso had if they were in his shoes, being at ur prime but driving a brick.
Schumacher was a dickhead with no regards to other drivers safety, I wouldn't put those two in one basket to be honest
The power of the media is amazing
Shitty British media , ultimate bias and attacking Alonso or Vettel almost always
Now if you think the media is disgusting with the way they handle sports media, just imagine how much worse everything else that they spew out is.
Vettel p2 in Baku & driver of the day. Unfortunately Martin Brundle was not commentating that race. I wonder what his reaction will be😂
@@fazforester3196 Yeah according to him Vettel was just newey but Hamilton wasnt just james. pathetic british media
It's called cancel culture. Blaming someone without having evidence. Other people have lost their job because of bad media reports.
What surprise me more about Hungary 2007 is that a lot of people talk about Alonso, Hamilton, Ron but almost no one talks about the FIA that steal Alonso pole and send him to 5th when he had just not broke any rule, that end up costing him the championship
formula 1 is rigged
the FIA already lost reputation even back 2 years before in 2005 US Grand Prix
Tbh even if he was toxic, who could blame him after the experiences he made during his time at Ferrari?
Agree man.Many ppl don’t realise teams promise Alonso good cars but end up Alonso have to carry the team.Imagine enduring so many years of disappointment like 2012 he dragged that car but end up losing by 3 points
Finaly someone said it. I would add Mclaren as well (second stint)
being paid 30 million per year AND be a good employee/team player? thats just too much to ask.
@@clicheguevara9917 Money is not everything and toxic doesn't mean that you are never a team player.
And to a certain point every driver has to be selfish to succeed.
@@twoway6691 the 2012 Ferrari wasn’t bad after they actually upgraded, Alonso fanboys want to exaggerate like it was the mclaren Honda to make his talent appear as much more
You have articulated very well what I have thought for years. Yes Alonso has had some controversy in the past (like all multiple champions have at some point), but after his McLaren year people just assumed that it was always Alonso's fault.
At McLaren, he was promised first driver status by Ron Dennis, which he was not given. He tried to force the issue, but most of the team just wasn't behind him. In the end you would have to say he was right, the McLaren's lost points to each other and Kimi snatched the title away from under their noses.
Concerning the 2008 Singapore GP, personally I still believe he did not knew it. He had an opt out in his contract that said he could leave Renault (and go to Ferrari in 2009?) if they did not produce a winning car. All Flavio had to do was make Fernando win and he saw the chance at the Singapore GP. Flavio has always pulled these kinds of tricks, so this theory is at least consistent with Flavio's past behaviour. Of course he didn't knew Fernando would also win the next race in Japan!
He spent four years at Ferrari, the first three of which were virtually without incident. (I mean come on people, why are team order suddenly a controversy at Ferrari?! That is just business as usual. It was just the way that Ferrari did it and the circumstance that made it very controversial. Alonso had nothing to do with this.) In the fourth year they produced a shitbox and he had enough, and fair play to him.
McLaren Honda was just the most grandiose embarrassment I have ever seen the in the sport. Spending a billion dollars over three years to produce little more than an unreliable midfielder. I consider it a larger disaster than the well known Toyota fiasco, at least they produced some results. McLaren had again promised him everything under the sun and all Fernando got was a wet noodle of a car. That Fernando stuck around for as long as he did is nothing short of a miracle. Also, Fernando is no engineer, he doesn't build the car and certainly does not build the engine. Blaming Fernando for engine unreliability and aerodynamic inefficiency is just nonsensical.
After 2007 the narrative was build and people have been trying to fit his whole career within this narrative ever since. No he is no likeable Felipe Massa or Jenson Button, but he is not the controversy magnet people see him as.
@@valerierodger7700 In the world of dumb people, I mean, I prefer to leave that way than be exited by Ferrari like Vettel...
In the other hand, if he was that toxic, why Ron Dennis itself employed Alonso again ? and worse, give him a bad engine knowing him ?
And to make it worse, Lulu ended wining in a german car !
@@lareinadelsur429 Heard Ron Dennis didn't want to re-employ Alonso but Honda initially wanted to? Since Alonso could've become a pretty big spokesperson for them
There are certain ways professionals should handle adversity and imho Fernando always chooses the most petulant, childish way to go about that. Just looking at the instances with Lewis this season is more than proof that he just can’t let things go. He is a miracle of a driver, but I think he sucks at interpersonal relationships, which is important to extract every single ounce of performance out of a package (car, team, driver).
@@mukke9728 I'm pretty sure he has let things go, if ur talking about that one clash where it was mostly lewis fault then he was saying things in the moment (that were mostly true)
@@mukke9728 and he is extremely honest, which most people don't like. they don't like to hear to hard truth
Nando was my childhood favourite driver and always will be! He's a great driver!
He’s a two time world champion FOR A REASON!
@@simbarocksone for real though hes a legend
I'm Italian and Ferrari fan but I still supported Alonso when I was a kid, Alonso in Ferrari was perfection to me
@@davithebest96 I'm brazilian and an italian descendent, and a Ferrari fan. Having Massa and Alonso in Ferrari was the best thing on earth for me
Nando and Seb rivalry will always be my favorite! They outshone everyone during the most competitive era of F1!
2012 was the best season of the century, so far, imo. Every battle was memorable, such great driving, and 2 of my favorite drivers battling for the WDC
Alonso vs Adrian Newey. Seb just happened to be there. Anyone could have won races with a 1.5 second faster car like the Redbull was during some races between 2010 and 2013
@@flaviomoneri3858 Seb was faster than Alonso with half a sidepod missing in the 2012 finale. Stop talking trash now. V8 era Seb was something else, and put Lewis and Nando in their place.
@Helicida It shows that Vettel was a beast with half a side pod missing in rain lmao
@Helicida Fair enough.
Hammy is that kind of kid at school who got an A- after getting As and throwing a hissy fit 😂
9:01 Fernando's post Renault career summed up
ITS A YOKE
Alonso fans needed a video like this. Thank you very much! It will be quite educational on some people
Actually ALO haters needed this video. His fans already know this
@@APJAKE I am saying that ALO fans need this so those annoying haters can watch It and stop bullying this legend😜
@@elsergios6704 💯
I think Tommo didnt enjoyed this video
I'll post this in the Marca comment section lol
People be like: yeah alonso is very toxic
And then toyota takes him to compete in the wec and gives him a shot at dhakar, so toxic
It’s not enough to say that this video WAS NECESSARY
The only toxic people at Mclaren in 2007 were Lewis and his sugar daddy Ron Dennis.
dude how much do u hate lewis????
@@Airstrike-911 we don't hate Lulu, we love him for changing and winning in a german car instead...
@@lareinadelsur429 to a certain extent, the last few years have been too much
@@Airstrike-911 tbf i stopped being a lewis fan this year. His behaviour now that he has finally gotten the competition he wanted for so long is honestly childish, unprofessional and sometimes flat out disgusting
The less the POS Alonso is talked about, the better for the world it will be. Toxic dude that has won way less podiums than Hamilton and still complains about how Hamilton 'took his job' and his 'thunder'
THANK YOU! I've been a fan of Alonso for over 15 yrs and forever will be my favorite. Honestly many people just trash and trash him forgetting how much of a legend he is and just hate him without knowing anything about him, just sticking to hear - say bs.
Unfortunatly many fans we see today have arrived since F1 shifted focus to be more media pleasing and less forefront of innovation (I would say 2016 onwards more and more) and these fans are not the same enthusiasts like the fans that came before. They saw Fernando in a dogshit car and him complaining about its dogshit characteristics, wthout understanding how different each teams car was to each other (especially in hybrid era). This is the unfortunate truth. I love to se this influx of new fans so more people can enjoy this sport, but the tradeoff with this type of more laid back fans is that the percentage of enthusiast fans drops.
Alonso in 2021 season is the most humble Alonso i've ever seen. I'm really happy for him. He enjoys it more than ever
Thanks for making these video some new fans defo needed some clarification
Ron took revenge of Alonso by convincing him about McLaren Honda.
Worst decision he could of made very surprised he went back there
Yes he may look toxic. But thats just Alonso’s mentality to win and the best were during the end of his time with Ferrari to his first retirement back in 2018.
Imo his supposed toxicity is wht pushes him to be such a great driver
If you’re not ruthless, demanding and sometimes a bit selfish, you’re not gonna win. Rosberg, prime example.
@@magnustan841 or even lewis ,when he is not winning he is furious
I would say that's not toxicity, It's reacting to toxicity.
Funny how people call Fernando toxic, talking trash about him. Isn't that toxic?
@@magnustan841 Kimi, contradictory example
This is one of your best works my friend. Great video
I still don't get one thing, Alonso is heavily criticized for 2010 hockenheim race due to the switch ( it was done mainly for the championship charge ) but Lewis is not even questioned at all for his switch at 2018 Sochi. Just a question no implications that either one is a hero or villain.
Ocon as of making this: I’ve heard many things about Alonso before he joined the team... all of them are wrong.
He is what the world thinks f1 drivers are like. And i love it!
Lewis and Denis and his “Hockey dad” caused this breakdown at McLaren. Fuelled by British media. Look at Hamilton throwing his team under the bus if he is not on the pole line in Monaco.
Thanks for a balanced approach to Alonso's career. When Schumacher was dominating it really felt like he and Ferrari were just laughing at everyone and then Fernando walked in...He was not manicured in manner or appearance like Michael was. It was this underdog persona in such a young driver actually winning on the track that had us all screaming and fist pumping. I think it did alot for the sport after years of Williams BMW being so close but just not enough to really make Ferrari sweat. Frankly what happened after his championship seasons doesn't really matter to me because what he did those years seemed truly unbeleivable to many of us. He will always be a titan.
Alonso came to Maclaren the reigning back to back world Drivers Champion, they treated him very badly .
Complaining Alonso and Vettle fans as usual...
This video made me cry🥺 I’m loving Fernando since 2007 and I am really really glad that he came back🥺
You should have added that he divided the prize money with the whole team :)
I really recommend watching his Prime Video series about himself in 2018-2020. Really does help see a more relaxed approach to who he is and why he acts how he acts too. And also shows how he has made progress as a person too. It really did make me appreciate him more. Though I agree that sometimes it´s really how he reacts to things that gets him in trouble, things that could have been avoidable.
As a die hard fan of Fernando it is actually heartbreaking to see all his potential wasted with mediocre cars. I think he will go down in history as one of the drivers with worse luck.
At least there is still a chance of redemption next year hopefully…
One of the greatest of all time, one of the best displays of his skills and raw talent was dragging that dogshit early 2010s ferrari into the title race by the scruff of the neck
This is one of the best videos you've done so far, one my favourites from this channel. The British influence so much of the F1 media that it's just nauseating. There are always 2 sides to the story and I thank you for bringing out a video that brings forth the story from Alonso's side with a balanced viewpoint.
Pedro said in" beyond the grid" that Alonso was managing break temperature issue in monoco and was doing slow laptimes compare to Lewis and that is the reason Lewis was all over Alonso in ending stages and Pedro also said that some of the personal in Mclaren thought this was Lewis victory because he was faster than Alonso and when Alonso came to know this he really pissed off because he was clearly managing break temp issue
Yeah, Alonso was struggling with brake and tyre temperature in the start of 2007. So much so that he and Hamilton had different brake suppliers for their cars from halfway till the end of the season. Alonso had to make the switch from Carbon Industrie brakes to Hitco brakes in Great Britain (9th race of the 17 race season), the Hitco brakes suited his energetic inputs, and he ran it till the end of the season (apart from Monza, where temperatures were quite high).
Excuses
He’s still one of the best drivers in this generation and he is a two time champion for a reason. I’m still convinced that he should have won the 2012 title.
Yeah he should have won that but his car was not as competent as him
@@avinash_8723 that car was awful. He dragged that Ferrari
He should have at least 5 titles, as much as another legend. The fact that he's stuck at 2 is a huge anomaly.
I strongly believe that Fernando having Briatore as a manager does not help his toxicity problem
Some of his comments towards his teams haven't been ideal. No team is slow on purpose, and when everyone is working at 100%, the last thing your colleagues want to hear are negative comment from the drivers. I get his frustrations but he could have handled some of the Mclaren Honda / Ferrari situations far better.
If he'd focused on driving in 2007 he'd have probably won his third championship and then remained at Mclaren for 2008 where he would have had another chance to fight it out on track with Lewis potentially for yet another championship. 2007 had a negative chain reaction on his career. Mclaren could have done more to support him, maybe not.
If he'd have remained at Mclaren for 2008 would he have still been looking to go to Ferrari for 2010? Who ultimately knows, but I doubt he'd have been in a place where he needed to go crawling back to what would be the woeful Mclaren Honda in 2015. If he'd have let his driving do the talking you never know, he could have had a shot at a drive with Redbull or even Mercedes.
I highly rate Fernando and certainly think he's a far better driver than some of his stats suggest. It was fantastic to see him end Michael Schumacher's dominance during the 2005 season and it's great that he's back in F1. Fernando is a great character for F1 and I look forward to seeing what he can do for remainder of this season and hopefully next.
Yeah, in a certain way, I kinda see Alonso as a "Gordon Ramsay" of F1. Someone who's aiming for perfection all the time, and will call it as he see, cause to him, that is the best way to evolve. As I said in my comment, I don't perceive him as toxic nowadays, just very passionate and very frustrated, and I think all can be traced to his 2007 career
I don't think that Alonso could have remained at McLaren in 2008 at all. Maybe he could have kept cool during 2007, but the team would have naturally switched focus to their new star for the next year.
If everyone could've waited one more year, the controversy wouldn't have existed (except for spygate, of course). Alonso wins the 2007 title, leaves in relatively good terms from McLaren and Hamilton wins the Championship next year.
If I remember right, Fernando had a shot at driving at Red Bull from the 2010 season onwards as they wanted to sign him, but he choose Ferrari. But who can blame him? Ferrari is Ferrari afterall, and who would've known Red Bull would dominate from 2010-2013.
@@vitman2409 Yeah, and he got an offer for Brawn GP for 2009. The thing is, he has always chosen well with the information he had at the time, but luck hasn't been on his side.
now you know why UK is an considered an island...
In the 2007 days those were extremely toxic for Fernando, experiencing the constant toxicity in the team. The briatore scandal in Singapore is another one that added huge toxicity towards Fernando and Briatore. Briatore had to win that season if not Renault was considering leaving Formula 1. But the fact that he did the best to make the team remain in Formula 1 costed him his formula 1 career and a ban from the Formula 1 paddock. But no one considered how brave he was to put his job at risk just to make a team remain.
Great video showing the misconceptions about him and his career.
Underrated and most hated GOAT 🙏🏽
Would love to see a video about current Alonso at Alpine.
"Indirectly" ehem ehem... He was clearly aware of what was going on at the crashgate.
When they called him in that early he said nothing, he didn't even asked why. He's really smart, the king of the drivers questioning orders. So it was pretty obvious to me.
I agree with the video overall, he was an incredible driver.
Yeah it was kinda difficult to straight up say that he knew with no proof but it's not a coincidence that he was 'involved' and won both races. It just added to his history of being involved in shady incidents
He didn’t question it because there was still refuelling then, if he did and stayed out there’s every chance he would have ground to a halt.
The crashgate strategy was thought up after quali by symonds and briatore, they did it because Alonso had a clause in his contract that if Renault didn’t win a race he’d be free to go. Given that was the motivation it would make absolutely no sense to tell Alonso the plan
Strategies like those weren't uncommon in the refueling era. Nelson Piquet finished 2nd right behind Hamilton after starting from 17th in Germany, he capitalized on a safety car much like Alonso had in Singapore. Strategy is king on a street circuit especially for drivers outside the top 10 because overtaking chances are nil, hence drivers differ to strategy which usually involves capitalizing on a safety car to leap frog those ahead.
Was he aware of what had happened after the race? Absolutely, he mentioned that without luck on his side, he wouldn't have won the race.
Maybe because that was the best strategy, given the circumstances, the reason why de didn't question the decision of stopping early.
It is called "undercut".
Also, after the qualify, he was way out of position, so, for the undercut to work, he needed to stop very early, to recover the most positions possible, driving in clean air, before the first round of pitstops.
So, contrary to popular belief, the strategy does not prove that Alonso knew about the planed crash.
Note, I'm not saying that he didn't knew, but explaining why the strategy proves nothing, and, also, I'm not an Alonso fanboy, as I usually have been accused to be when I explain this fact.
I'm sorry but any idea that Alonso didn't know about the planned crash and was just on a weird undercut strategy is absurd. Starting the race lightly fueled and on super softs makes zero sense when starting from the back at Singapore where passing on track is impossible. You just waste all your weight and tire advantages stuck behind a train of slower cars. Track position is far more important than race pace when passing is difficult.
Instead, Alonso predictably made virtually no progress at the race start, then stopped very early (not even 1/5 through the race), coming out in dead last place, several seconds behind the next car. Even if he quickly closes up, what then? He's stuck killing his tires fighting for 15th place through a train of heavy-fueled one-stoppers while the leaders disappear into the distance. A master strategist like Alonso would know this plan made zero sense except in ONE specific circumstance - if a safety car came out immediately after Alonso finished his out lap. Which as we all know is exactly what happened.
I agree that Alonso at times gets an unfair share of criticism. But at Singapore 2008, of course he knew what was up. He barely bothers to deny it.
Thank you for this video. Finally someone discusses the side what is not just "toxic bad driver lel". He is the driver who got me into Formula 1 and it has been though seeing him consistently get cars what were not capable. Also, thank you for speaking about 2007 and how the team actually worked inside and how the pit incident had more sides than people think.
Great qualy today for him as well
Very well put as always! It doesn't help that most new F1 fans have watched DTS where this sort of misconception is just kind of superficially drilled in to the casual fans, portrayed as if McLaren could finally move on to better things after Alonso retired and stopped being a "hindrance" to their progress.
Not toxic, just a winner. He knows what he wants and he's good at his job, something considered offensive these days.
He hasn't won anything in over 10 years..
Yet you hypocrites will complain about Hamilton doing the same.
If the team doesn't give Fernando what he wants even when they knew what he wants while signing him up,
he has the rights to be angry
yeah and with that anger he also ensures that he will never end up getting what he wants
How did that work for him as a strategy ?
he can NOT race ... always an option, soybpy
This is my favorite Aldas video, you're killing it mate. This quality of content will lead to greatness. Keep it up!
thankyou for this post... I agree with the summary "Lewis caused the start and flow of the incident, but Alonso took the brunt of the fallout".
2023, boom!!!
Great video! Fernando is one of the greatest drivers of all time. If only he had a little bit more lucky... he could have won a couple of WDC more. I hope he achieve a good level soon so we can enjoy it on track.
I love what Alonso is doing in Alpine.
No word about the spygate his first time at Ferrary and the fact he tried to blackmail Ron Denis to gain an advantage on Hamilton?
“Many people on Twitter hate Fernando”, dude, twitter hate everything, even themselves.
If you use Twitter to gather any kind of information, its time to leave the internet
Edit if you use Twitter for anything besides making money is time to retire from life
Alonso is my second favorite current F1 driver after Kimi. Alonso is a born winner and is still at his peak.
Love your videos man, pretty surprised you are not even 100k subs strong yet, your content deserves way more, however I'm sure you'll grow very fast👍👍
I find it absolutely fascinating that Alonso gets the toxic reputation. While somebody like Lewis dosent, genuinely laughable.
Lewis is the most toxic person I've seen in F1. But he puts on a facade of nobility and humility and people buy it.
@@dsar8727 Easily the most toxic driver in F1's history. Maybe even outshines Ballestre in toxicity!
The majority of the F1 press is British (English even). This is a huge factor.
@@dsar8727 Fernando is like Max, brutally honest, that's good but many people don't like it, they prefer someone fake and hypocritical. The F1 media (most of them British) destroyed his reputation as a person.
The less the POS Alonso is talked about, the better for the world it will be. Toxic dude that has won way less podiums than Hamilton and still complains about how Hamilton 'took his job' and his 'thunder'
Ppl keep talking about the 'inner bastard' in schumacher. I've ALWAYS seen that in lewis. Let me explain. Aldas already showed what he'd done, on his DEBUT season with alonso, using his power within the team. Then comes heikki kovalinen, who despite the talent he showed in his f2 series, was played as the number 2 driver by mclaren, having given his spot to lewis many times, but he wasn't exceptional, so let's keep that aside. 2010, with one of the best teammates to have on the grid, Jenson Button, he screwed up yet again. Unfortunately for him jenson was british as well as a world champion. Lewis definitely overtook him in 2010, but by a narrow margin, only to have himself defeated in the very next season, by a mile. In fact, he didnt even end up third in the championship, whereas jenson came second after vettel's domination. And from here, he starts accusing the same team which chose him over the reigning two time world champion, of providing them with unequal engines, accused jenson of not playing fair, and using the upper hand in this, going as far as to try and prove it by posting a picture of engine performance outputs on twitter, all allegations were proven false, but i must agree, mclaren pit stops in 2012 were a disaster, which cost them a chinese grand prix[jenson chasing rosberg] and a podium in singapore[lewis third, jenson second, vettel first]. And this is where he'd had 'enough' and decided to leave. Get's into mercedes yet agin with the upper hand over nico rosberg because of niki's bias[ like it or not] and although toto wasn't there Yet, he had major influence on their decisions as their future team principal. Ppl accuse nico of cheating at monaco, perhaps it's true, not defending him, but he wasn't as dumb as lewis to make their dirty play as obvious at least, and it's till hard to accuse him. But i'll ccept, 2014, lewis definitely earnt it, depite all his dnf's. 201 though, lewis played it cheap THROUGHOUT, even in the us grand prix, he pushed nico off the track o go on and win the championship. HE DEFINITELY DIDN'T GET AWAY WITH IT. Nico went on to win ALL THE FINAL THREE RACES, and continued this trend well into the next year, equalling michael schumacher with the most consecutive wins a driver has got, and it couldve been more, if the inner bastard in lewis didnt kick in, and crash into him in spain that year. nico had the lead. and yes it's the same race max won his first race on debut. Rosberg's time wouldnt get easier. Lewis finally gave us the ultimate example of the inner bastard that he is, tryng to make nico rosberg get overtaken by slowing down the whole circuit, check it, it's everywhere. All nico had to do was crash into lewis, but he wanted to win fair and square.and he did. Lewis's inner bastard has kicked in every single time with valteri too. Asking the team to tell valteri to slow down so that he could overtake seb in azerbaijan, and yes, lewis has been good sport too, like 2018's hungarian grand prix, but all of this together, is the reason why i only see the same inner bastard in him as ppl did in schumi. And that's probably what makes him a seven time world champion as it did for schumi. But lewis definitely isn't a man i look up to.
Schumacher had two bad moments standing out. Jerez 1997 and Monaco 2006. Hamilton has about one a race.
@@paulb.6775 I’ve literally written what could be one of the longest comment ever about all the things he did wrong and ur replying to the very same comment by saying he just has one😅 phew
@@adityavishwanath1676 I mean he has about one such moment per race. Sometimes he has a clean race, sometimes he has several disgraceful deeds in the same race.
The less the POS Alonso is talked about, the better for the world it will be. Toxic dude that has won way less podiums than Hamilton and still complains about how Hamilton 'took his job' and his 'thunder'
Glad you reported Hungary incident accurately. Lewis started the tit for tat but Fernando was ultimately penalised 🙁.
Thanks for putting things straight!
Aaaah your music always gives me chills :)
You can say what you want
But Vettel was better for Ferrari especially in the Media
He never criticised the team and always kept Ferrari as a dream for kids to look up to
Actually, Alonso Lewis controversy started before Lewis started driving Mclaren, remember Alonso was against Ron’s decision to bring Lewis.
thank you, Aldas, for your easy to follow in-depth video. Very much enjoyed it. You have a new sub from me and I'm sure plenty more. Keep up the great work mate.
Thansks for clearing up Alonso, as many does not know the scenario behind it. They left the shits fall on Alonso for so many years on that 2007 issues.
Nando isnt toxic, hes honest
Sounds like a toxic thing to say, but when people say you're mediocre as a person, truthfully, you feel bad 🖕
What I don’t get about crashgate is that Renault weren’t even close to fighting for the championship, so why take such a great risk to get only one win?
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Hello aldas! I can tell this video is going to be amazing as usual! Have a great day!
Thank you for making this video,this really does help back my argument in school about the misconception of Fernando Alonso
Amazing video Aldas! You covered all the bases really well, though Alonso always ruffles some feathers in F1 opinions, so ignore any hateful comments! Thanks for the great content 👍
I know I'm 2 weeks late to this, but I have to say, beautifully balanced article. You nailed it with so many truths, you probably lost some support. You have however gained my sub. Well done.
The backing music is stuck in my head again, love your videos
What music is this? I want it
Aldas is a real one for this, Alonso is one of the GOATS for sure!
I dont get the hate on Fernando. He's passionate, he's emotional, he's competitive, he's... what a racing driver should be. He had a fire that not everybody had, something very rare. It wasn't toxic at all, they just weren't on the same level as he was, the level of wanting everything.
Yes during his whole career he fought an uphill battle. Even the seasons 2005-06 that he won he won by completly overperforming in the Renault. His Ferrari time is even crazier, he took that sluggish Ferrari car to heights it should not have been near.
@@bololollek9245 He deserves so much more respect and so much more recognition for the right things. A talent like that with that much passion and fire in him is rare.
Yes. More like him please. More like Verstappen.
They're not toxic. They're genuine.
As was Vettel, before he took a shitstorm after Baku 2017. Afterwards, he was kind of broken.
F1 deserves real drivers. I'd rather have them punch each other from time to time, than having to witness the shitshow we've got today.
@@paulb.6775 Passion. That's what we need. Genuine, firey passion. Not media-trained brand ambassadors who can't express or show themselves anymore. This is a sport, what more else to attract audience than actual emotion and passion. I agree w u
@@paulb.6775 Vettle, Kimi, Verstappen, Alonso are all drama queens with who complain when they don't get their way ... that is the 'sh!tstorm' we're talking about right?
Would love a video like this on Kimi. I would love to know your opinion on why Kimi kept his seat at Ferrari even with his bad seasons like 2014
What a great, unbiased channel you have. WAAAY, WAY better than the other mainstream ones. Keep it up!! 🏁🏁🏁
Alonso didn't block Hamilton on pourpose. He was asking the pit wall about the tyres they putted on his car (used hards instead of new softs). You can see Alonso moving the head to the left and stare at the pit wall and hear the radio to prove it
Aldas, you haven't understood well the Hungary 2007 incident. First, you have to understand one rule about Q3 that only existed that year. The idea was that drivers would start the race with the amount of gas that they had at the beginning of Q3, not at the end. As the less fuel a car has the faster it is, during Q3, drivers did as many laps as they could before doing a faster last lap with new tires. Yes, at that time refueling during pit stops was allowed and the fuel load was a huge part of the race strategy. Many times, only one of the two drivers in a team could do one more lap than the other. That extra lap gave an advantage of about 0.1 seconds depending on the circuit. So, what the pilots wanted was to do their last lap last, not first. I even remember one of Hamilton's declarations saying that Ron was naturally giving him this advantage because it was "fair" to compensate that he was a rookie. So, Hamilton had been given regularly this advantage. But, as Hamilton was outqualifying him, Alonso stopped accepting this privilege going always for Hamilton as a rule. In Hungary, it was the first time that Alonso would be the one given the extra lap, but after the trick by Hamilton, Alonso held him so that there was no time for another lap. It's funny that if Alonso hadn't received a penalization for that incident, most probably he and McLaren would have been world champions.
The mere fact that he had to start from the back… WTF? How is that the FIA's business?
He was robbed of his title, that year.
It's just the Brits being bitter. They know he is better than Hamilton so they call him toxic constantly to hid it.
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Very happy to finally find someone that says the truth behind Alonso's controversy. I was expecting to hear something about how they messed with his tyre preassures and all that stuff in 2007, but I guess that's more of an explanation of why Alonso and Hamilton where at a similar level than explaining why he wasn't toxic. (I'm not saying Hamilton wasn't a great driver, even more being a rookie, but let's be honest, watching any other battle between these two throughout the history with Alonso having a worse car than Lewis everytime shows how even with worse machinery, Alonso can always battle with Hamilton and even beat him if the difference isn't very big).
13DNFs...McLaren should've been ashamed of themselves
It was Honda not McLaren
@@matthewmyatt2625 still it was there car
@@T0NYMANUEL their car wasn’t that bad, look at the Monaco results, 2016, alonso 5th and button 9th, 2015, button 8th, their car was quite good when engine power wasn’t a factor, maybe do some research ;)
@@T0NYMANUEL their 2015-2017 cars were decent on tracks like Hungary and Mexico. The 2018 car was designed around a smaller Honda engine but used the Renault engine which was larger which affected the aero.
@@matthewmyatt2625 That was only 2016.Look at the terrible reliability in 2015 and 2017.And those 2 years cars was easily second slowest on the grid.
Fernando Alonso always knew he was a championship winning level driver but he was given bad cars again and again.
If you do the same to Lewis Hamilton, Max Verstappen or Sebastian Vettel, you'd hear worse in the first two cases for sure and probably enough in seb's case.
And as far as spygate, crashgate and team orders are concerned, I wouldn't pin the entire blame on him for the first one.
Simplified, crashgate is a reputed team management's attempt to win a GP to hold on to its sponsors, by cheating. By making one driver (piquet jr.) a pawn to be sacrificed and making the other (alonso) make the decisive move to win.
And team orders in Germany 2010 is an attempt by another team to further the case for making their leading driver win the championship by hook or crook, because clearly, their machine purely on its merits, couldn't do it, if circumstances stayed the same.
Couldn't have said it any better myself mate. Great video
Brilliant and balanced video Aldas!! 👍🏽
I don't care whether people think Alonso is toxic or not. All I know for a fact is that he is the only driver ever to take a title fight to the last race of the season TWICE with a car that is only fast enough for P6 on average all throughout both seasons. And I am willing to bet anything that no other driver will give an outstanding performance like that for the next couple of decades at the very least, maybe never.
Lmao Hardcore Nando fan posting about he is not toxic . More like water is wet 🤣
You were saying before pre season he will stomp Esteban . Now everyone knows what is happening atm 😂
It's a marathon...not a sprint🤫
Not sure if you watched till the actual end before commenting looking at when you posted the comment, but I quite literally said that his character and personality which makes him fast is equally what makes bad situations worse and breaks relationships
stfu m8...he is been out of f1 for two years and ur already judging abt him after 5 races smh typical hater...i dont see u saying the same for ricciardo or vettel or perez
@@Aldas001 This whole video is not an objective piece. You (maybe unconsciously) frame Alonso as someone who's the victim of circumstances. Even his inability to control his emotions is framed in a positive way. Fact of the matter is, as a 2 time world champion, he had the ability to make his own succes post 2006. Maybe sometimes he was the victim of circumstances, but when there's a pattern of more than 10 years of failure for Alonso, you cannot deny it's also his own fault.
@@StratosTitan he literally said its his fault too lol
Excellent video Aldas. Subscribed.
Personally I love his "toxicity" he just says and does whatever he wants and doesn't bend over for anyone