Get This CHEAP Vintage Lens NOW…It’s Better than the HELIOS 44-2
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- Опубликовано: 17 июл 2023
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📝 You can shoot with manual mode or aperture priority mode. The Lens mount is an M42 mount with a focal length of 58mm and a relative aperture of F2, do you know what it is yet?
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Don’t want to be too nit-picky but there is broad perception that The Batman was shot on Helios lenses. It wasn’t. The shots you show from the film were shot with detuned Arri Alfa Anamorphics, as was the rest of the film, apart from sections of the car chase. The vehicle mounted shots in car chase are rehoused Helios 44s. They were only used because of the chance the camera and lenses would be destroyed and Greig Fraser needed cheap lenses that would roughly match the Alfas, without risking the expensive Arri kit.
Great insight, thanks
Sounds good enough to me tho haha. If they can somewhat match the alfas then daaamn
Why they didn't used GoPro or else cheaper solutions? Because lenses should be mounted to the camera... Expensive camera... I don't think they used Helolios just for cheaper solution.
Yes, they used them because they were cheap and most importantly, matched the looked of the very expensive detuned Alfa anamorphics. They could afford to smash the Helios, not the Alfas. GoPros wouldn’t have matched at all.
@@mcgrathfilmsThat just proves how good the lens is lol. "Cheap" that closely matches, thats huge. It being cheap and possibly destroyed is irrelevant, because it is a "cheap" lens that is good enough to match that set.
Wow...I love the images you produced with helios 44m-6. I have to try mine more often.
It's a great lens
Great video!
The Helios we’re build from the 50s into the late 90s
38 was the original version. Then 44,44m,44m-2,3,4,5,6,7 all have the swirlyness but newer versions were build better and also have multi coatings on them, that’s indicated with an MC.
The first two numbers of your serial number indicate the year it was made.
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@@temitayoisme check out helios 81n, and the somewhat rare Japanese helios 28mm 2.8
i have a 44m with serial 008583 do you know the fabrication year?
@@manuelmadriz1969 the last 2 numbers indicate the year. So yours was built at 1983
Being a huge fan of Soviet lenses I'm very familiar with most of the many versions of the Helios 44. Not only is there a HUGE difference between variants, but a huge variance in the exact same models made in different factories. I prefer lenses made in the KMZ factory, which is renowned for having access to the best materials, equipment, and workers. Most lenses were actually prototyped at the KMZ factory. Your lens was made in 1992 and comes from the Valdai plant, which is renowned for being one of the worst factories...the fact that you got a decent one is testament to that variance!
I encourage you to try other Soviet lenses and would be happy to recommend a lens to suit a need. Great video...I love seeing you and your friends discovering the aperture mechanism. Great stuff man!
Thanks. What other lenses do you recommend that would match the swirly character of the Helios?
@@temitayoisme The undisputed King of Swirly bokeh is the Helios 40, which is as lovely looking a lens as the photographs it takes.
I highly recommend this lens is you're looking for swirly bokeh. Another fantastic lens (which I'm working on a video review now) is the Zenitar ME-1, which has SQUARE bokeh...lot's of cool lenses in the Soviet arsenal. =)
Zeiss jena lenses are also really good @@temitayoisme
@@temitayoisme problem with the valdai version is it is in alot of cases it gives a milky none sharp look, while the kmz lens doesn't have that problem. so getting the correct one might completely change your view of it
I love the images you got from the M6. I have an older version of the 44-2 (full metallic jacket zebra edition) the bokeh falloff is absolutely dreamy-creamy-smooth. Nice video.
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Appreciate you
Love the images u got with it ! got myself the 44m-6 and 44m-4 for a steal im using it on a Alpha 7 II with adapter rings wich depress the pin so u dont need to modify the lens and by far the 44m-6 is my favorite lens out of my collection!
Sounds great!
Love how chill this video is. I do happen to have one of these lenses (I bought it 10+ years ago for my Lumix GF1, just ordered an adapter for my Fuji XT30). I didn't quite get the thing about the pin, though.
It stays fixed at f2 if you don’t depress it. Unless you have an m43 russian camera that has the lever built in
About the aperture pin: check my comment @ guitar
I have a Helios 44-2 from the 80s; it still has the aperture on the front of the barrel and it's a bit tricky use, but once you get used to it, it produces some beautiful images. I do like the idea of a more traditional aperture control like the 44M versions tend to have, but I'm also finding that the newer designs are far more expensive- I couldn't find a listing for an M-6 version for less than $100!
They go up and down
**Aperture pin tip! I simply cut off a piece of a toothpick. Then pressed the pin down, and used a very small pair of needlenose pliers to push the toothpick under the mechanism that the aperture pin moves. It's hard to explain but dead simple to do. Completely reversible. Same idea as with the piece of plastic but I figure toothpicks are very readily available -- very quick to get your hands on. And the thickness seems to be perfect. Now onto the comment:
This video sold me on it. Excellent, excellent quality -- well scripted, well shot, just all around excellent. Great work. Really fun to watch.
My 44M-6 came in today. Having a blast with it. Tried it with a 36mm-90mm helicoid adapter, which I also love using with my Industar 50-2 -- sometimes even stacking with a Vivitar 2x teleconverter as well. Putting the helicoid behind the teleconverter lets you get super closeup shots from very far away. Putting the helicoid in front of the teleconverter, you can get much closer shots, but have a much closer focusing distance.
Anyway. Beautiful bokeh. Great lens. I'm a fan of sharpness and this just has a beautiful balance between sharpness and a beautiful bokeh. Very happy I saw this video and very happy I decided to pull the trigger on one.
Appreciate the feedback, have fun and keep creating
44M-4 here. Won on ebay for $14.50. Just needed cleaning. Fantastic lens. Use it also as a taking lens for anamorphic.
Beautiful combination
I've got botk 2 and 4 ... the bokeh is identical .... but my 4 is definetly sharper
I have the 44M, and it has a button to switch to auto or manual aperture control. It's also very sharp with an 8-blade aperture. However, I rarely use it as well as the Konica 57mm 1.4 (which I like even more) because I still prefer wider lenses (35mm and wider) for video.
Need to get my hands on that glass too
If someone is bothered by the 6-8 aperture blade bokeh when stopped down - they can always look for a Zeiss Biotar 58/2 which also has many versions. Some of them had 10 blades, but the older Exakta mount versions had up to 17 blades which made bokeh balls stopped down look much more rounded.
Great point
What did you use to color grade?
Beautiful!
Thank you for posting
Which part?
Also depends which which version of the 44-2 you get. I have two different versions and one is slightly sharper than the other.
Very true
I will give some input here as someone who has played around with the Helios family here a bit, the M6 is prone to serious factory defects, and this really does apply even to the M2 and onward. There is a system of finding out which factory the lenses were made at by looking on the logo. There are a few guides online on this as there are about three to four factories that were involved in the optical designs. I personally prefer the 44m2 because of consistency, followed closely by the 4. The 6 CAN be good, but it's not nearly consistent enough especially with the occasionally inflated price. Amazing video though.
thanks for the input, my unit has no defect but you might be unto something. These old things are a hit or miss
Good stuff, I ordered a peculiar version of this lens, the 44m-4 but is multi coated which as far as I can tell is pretty rare and am now curious to see how it compares
Good choice!
I bought my 44M-6 two days ago, I still haven't received it to see its behavior in practice, but your video was very interesting.
thanks
Number after M at least for Helios 44 is related to its measured sharpness and has almost no relation to revision number. From M2, which is the least sharp, to M7, the sharpest. Retail lenses came with the sheet of complete specifications. Also, some people do rehouse these lenses, and in some cases chassis denominated with M7 might actually house lenses from an M2 variant.
Solid info
I have the Helios 44m-7 and it is one of the best in my collection.
The helios is highly slept on, you should rock them
@@temitayoisme Your video reignited my passion to use this lens.
Is this no longer available? I can’t find the link in description
Will update soon
You should try Vega-9. This can be adapted using a helicoid from another lens. Photos have amazing clarity and detail because the lens are made of low dispersion glass.
Interesting, will keep that in mind. Sounds cool already
There was number of Helios modifications, even through one single series (depends year of production, manufacturer, aperture blades, coating and etc):
- about 8 versions of 44-2
- about 7 versions of 44m4
- 8 or more versions of 44m
- probably 4 or more versions of 44m7
Technically most advanced should be helios 44m7, but in practice they all quite close each other and each particular copy build quality is more important.
Right
Nice video. Is the M6 multi coated? I heard that the M7 is.
My version is but I’m not sure if all copies are
NIce video. first silver version is the best than 44-6, than the rest.. please believe me. i have them all. and i got at least 120 helios in my life :)
Noted
Fun fact, i was watching the video thinking i need that lens, then i remember i have one XD. and you are right 44m-6 is sharper but 44m-2 is more "dreamy".
XD's are a joy to use as well.
Of course I clicked on your YT video, someone on YT telling me I need to buy a new piece of gear or a new lens... When does that ever happen???! ;)
But in reality, I'm glad I clicked and watched your video. Fortunately for me, the Helios, 44M-6 was my very first vintage lens purchase. Since then, there have been a few more... Just a couple, I promise. No really, maybe a few...
Just this evening I did my own Fast Fifty shoot-out. Taking all my 50 to 58mm lenses that range in aperture speed of f1.4 to f2 up against each other. The age of the lenses involved was from 1960 to 2023. I started at the wider end of the range with a Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 50/f1.4 and a Yashica Yashinon-DS 50/f1.7. Then moved onto the 55mm lenses with a A Auto-Takumar 55/f1.8 and a Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 55/f1.8. And then I finished up with my Helios 44M-6 58/f2. There's some super fun glass in that mix and most of them are radioactive.
And then, just to mix the pot a bit, I threw in my brand new Canon 50/f1.8 STM lens along with its AF capabilities. A lens designed for modern, high Megapixel sensors. I shoot with a Canon R7 that has a 32MP sensor.
After it was all said and done and I shot my test subject two different ways on each lens and I shot the group shots of all 6 lenses... I realized I had forgot one of my other fast fifties... Another Canon 50mm/f1.8 from the late 80's/early 90's. Not a great AF lens, but still a fast 50. Damn it!
I'm still sorting and choosing the images I'll post on my Flickr page. I might even do a video about what I find. For sure there will be some differences in all of these lenses. The way they render the bokeh, what the balls look like, do they swirl, all sorts of interesting differences.
And maybe I'll have to do an addendum to the shoot/test as I have another Helios lens on its way to me. A classic 44-2, series 5 from the BeLOMO factory coming to me from Ukraine.
Is that 8 fast fifties...? Damn!
you are a legend
Got both the 44-2 and the 44-6, each one bought at the thrift store for like 30 euros each (including also camera bags, bodies/accessories).
The 44-6 i got was like new from the box. No scratches, no dust, no haze. Wide open is ridiculously sharp in the center, like razor-sharp.
But, at least in the copy I got, the diaphragm has a major design problem: blades aren't black, they're bare, highly reflective metal. That means that when stopping down, in bright conditions or with lights pointing towards the lens, blades get projected onto the image. That made it basically unusable (stopped down).
Am I the only one here having this problem? I know these lenses were made in various factories, and depending on that and other factors, you could find good or bad copies.
In my case, for example, the 44-2 is overall better and more usable.
Those are tricky lenses, never buy one for more than a few bucks without testing!
Mine also have silver blades but don’t reflect back onto the image
gotta a vintage wider lense that could play nice with these?
The Mir 1B 37mm
Is there a way to declick the aperture?
I think you’d have to take it to a repair man
Making it clickless is very easy and only requires you to take out 4 screws and remove the small ball bearing.
Better than the helios 44-2 is subjective. My 44-2 does pretty much exactly what I want with swirl and amazing sharpness if you get a good one. My pancolar 1.8 is also amazing for different reasons. It's subjective.
The 44-2 is softer than the 44-6 but i totally agree with you, it's all subjectivity
the best swirly boke have two lenses: helios 77m4 (50mm) and helios 40-2 (85mm)
The 40-2 85mm is a dream collection of mine
it bad for video, the better one is helios 77m4. it has swirly boke and middle focus range fifty mil.@@temitayoisme
Better than m6 are m7, 77m and of cuz zenitar 50mm 1.7, they are all the improvement.
Totally agree! The m7, 77m, and zenitar 50mm 1.7 are definitely worth checking out if you're looking for an upgrade. Thanks for the suggestions!
Check out Helios 77M-4 MC 50mm F1.8
It's like 44-pro
Interesting, will do
Get Helios 77m-4 50mm f1.8 . Much better than Helios 44, it´s sharper and Bokeh is also beautiful and swirly.
But part of the reason why people still love the 44-2 is cos it’s not as sharp
Hey man, check out a MC 77M-4. You'll thank me! 50mm
Will do, thanks for the hook up
4:49 Looks like I'm looking at different variations of Sharingan 👁🌀🌀
Sharingan no jitsu 😂
You want an actual god Helios? Get a Fuji 55mm 1.8 with m42 mount. Yes, it is slightly wider and faster, but barley noticeable. But it has very identical swirly Bokeh and the flares are also similar. But the quality is more consistent. Fuji took the original Zeiss Biotar design and made just few modifications to be not a that obvious copy than the Helios.
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want character among the helioses? go for the helios 40
Fair point
"got mine for 40 bucks"
Clicks link and cant find it less than 100 bucks
Price fluctuates. Got mine over 2 years now
Got mine back in 2018 for $17.00 s/h.
I have an older version 44-2 zebra with clean glass in good condition.
This is how a lens video should be. Narrate over actual footage of the lens. We don't need to see you taking photos with the lens. We don't need to see you speak for the whole video with 2 sample photos at the end.
Appreciate it
44 2 is sharp enough. Need to find a copy from the real factory.
Fair point
Dude you have to check the facts :).
44-2 has nothing plastic on it. It is only metal and glass. 44-6 is the same optics you just got a better copy. Those lenses especially the ones not produced in KMZ (Ukraine) have serious variations in quality. The only thing that is the difference between 44-4 and 44-6 is the year of production. They have the same simple mechanics (no M/A switch) because USSR did the opposite of the west world or the Japanese. In the USSR newer models had to be cheaper and simpler, not better :) better was what is cheaper... Yes in later years they had access to some better coatings and some of the later models are with better contrast and color than some earlier models but that is just because 44-2 had so many different variations... there were even copies without any coatings. I had one of those too and it was unusable. My favorite cheaper 44 is the 44M from KMZ - it has M/A switch and 8 blades of the aperture. Older models like the 44, 44-2 and 44-3 have the preset aperture which might be a plus for video shooters who want to close it smoothly.
For me the best Biotar 58 2.0 is the original and the early Helios 44(which is only a rename of the Zeiss). They had some pretty nice optics with great coatings that produce perfect color and contrast with beautiful amber flares. They are also the most expensive...
Okay
Yeah, the lens is all well and good, but WTF is a CHEESE LATTE?! What kind of psychopath puts CHEESE in COFFEE?!
A psychopath
Latinamericans do
Sorry dude but you didn't do your homework. The name is Helios 44 2, not the M2. The 44 2 has 13 blades, better build quality and is way better optically. Also all the helios versions that weren't built in the KMZ or MMZ factories have worse quality control and almost all of them have too much oil/grease on the aperture blades and if that grease gets on your sensor or mechanical shutter that is really bad news... Also bad QC also means that the lens would need focus adjusting in its mechanics and sometimes the aperture doesn't close fully and all of that.
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The 44-2 does NOT have 13 blades, it has 8. Only the original Helios has 13 blades.
@@Rowan611 nope, i got the lens to prove it lol
Ok. Then you have a rare one. Most are 8.
There are Helios versions with,13,10,8 and 6 blades ;)
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@@temitayoisme From what Russian optics experts say the best versions of the Helios 44-2 are those of the 1972 KMZ. Even later versions like yours have serious problems with construction and optical quality. Then everyone does as he sees fit.
hey. not trying to be a bummer but basically everything you said in this video is innacurate. still a cool video tho
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Well done, you pretty much came across of a true bummer. You came in and said everything is inaccurate without offering any solutions or 'accurate' information to support your statement. That to me is being a bummer 101.
This Lense was made in the late Valdai Factory and they have the worse build and picture quality.Thats why they are so cheap and only hafe 6 Blades because of production cost safings.Nobody wants crappy Valdai license coppys.
I do
6 has ugly nervous bokeh
lol