Messerschmitt’s SchnellBomber; The Bf 162
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- When the Nazis created the Luftwaffe wanted a high speed bomber to support their ground forces. Messerschmitt thought that the Bf 110 heavy fighter would provide an excellent basis for a design and created the Bf 162.
It didn't work out so well..
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Ed, you've done it again.
I knew nothing of this aircraft.
Thank you.
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Ditto. Never heard of it either. Looks like a smaller version of Petlyakov Pe-2
Same here, never even heard of it.
Yeah, I was about to say "Hey, the similarities to the Pe-2 are too close to be a coincidence."
It looks like a Bf110 body and Ju88 canopy got married but one or the other had an affair with the noses of an He111 and Do17, and this kid was the result.
Spot on!
Rather German made Pe-2
@@PunkinsSan my first thought as well
I think it has a touch of Mosquito around the front end too...
So, a real bastard of a plane then.
The French came up with a similar requirement which resulted in the Potez 63 series, which was also produced in several different versions for different purposes.
Thats one we need to learn about !
Nobody cares about french rubbish
As a German aircraft fan I´ve never heard of that type. Thank you.
D-AISY? Now I have HAL's singing stuck in my ear.
1:09 I love that they had a plane called "Daisy".
Adorable.
Will you do a video on the MiG-9 (or early Soviet jets or early jets in general) some day?
I rarely see videos about it, though that might just be me not knowing where/how to look.
amazing, just amazing how you find and spotlight these rarities... and never before seen a plane insignia spell out a word like the one in background @1:07
;)
Good picture of Willy at 1:17, really captures the sycophant vulture that he was.
I've got an aircraft recognition book from about 1940 with a photo of a 162 stating that it was a bomber version of the 110. Something to look into is the RLM number which was repeated for the Heinkel 162 jet fighter, can't think of any other aircraft being designated like this.
The Bell YFM-1 Airacuda was similar as a multi role heavy fighter.
Possibly an attempt to hide the He 162 program from the allies. The allies knew how the Germans designated aircraft, if an aircraft was transfer from one designer/company to another, the prefix would change, but the number would remain the same (for example, the Me155 to Bv155) and related aircraft frequently got related numbers (Bf110, Me210 and Me410).
The Bf 163 long range reconnaissance aircraft also had its RLM number recycled for the Me 163 rocket interceptor.
Very interesting video regarding the Bf 162 that I hardly remember but thanks for reminding me. It's performance was undoubtedly below expectations and already the Ju 88 despite being larger it could carry heavier ordinance. Mr Messerschmitt shouldn't complain too much because his company was fully involved with the production of the Bf 109 and the Bf 110. Good job again 👍👍👍
Selecting the JU 88 was the absolute best choice. That was a very fine aircraft
1:15 a plane called D-AISY. Aw I want one like that too Ed.
I love keeping up with all of these videos. Could you do one on the heinkel he 219 uhu possibly? Was Germany's version of a dedicated night fighter and I believe the first aircraft with an ejection seat.
The designer of the Heinkel 219 Uhu flew it himself on three missions where he claimed a total of three kills against the Mosquito. This would have proven the worth of the aircraft if it was not for the fact that no Mosquitoes were lost in the area he flow in.
Arguably the best Nachtjager of WW2.
one of the best night fighter built..very quick and really heavily armed. I think they only had a couple of operational units but these guys inflicted a lot of losses
@@jonathansteadman7935 what no love for the P-61🤷🏼♂️😉🤣
To my Knowledge the Hitler Stalin Pact included the Transfer of German Aircraft Designs and Prototypes.
Thanks for the video, Ed. I seem to remember coming across this aircraft in the dim and distant past where, I seem to remember, it was claimed to have been the bomber version of the Bf 110. The Ju 88 was a much better aircraft.
If you haven't already, could you please do a video on the Do 17, I believe this was a twin engine light bomber nicknamed the flying pencil.
Never heard or seen of it until now, great resources
Was Bayerische Flugzeukwerk not a subsidiary of Messerschmidt rather than being synonymous?
Enjoyed your video and so I gave it a Thumbs Up
Well done, again, Ed!
The 162 would make a beautiful model. The proportions are almost the same as the Bf 110 which, though I've never actually owned one myself, is one of the best flying WWII scale planes and one of the best twins. I think the relatively small nacelles compared to a Mosquito or Tigercat, both of which are tricky, are a huge factor for a model.
Cheers!
very interesting indeed ! And yeah the Pe-2 resemblance is stunning is it not ?
Interesting video.
Thanks Mr Nash
Never heard of this aircraft, thanks for surprising me.
excellent explaining
Hey Ed, could you possibly do a video on the uses of heavy fighters in ww2? Not alot of videos of the subject on RUclips thst I have found.
Trying to find information on German WW2 research into high altitude supercharging using a single dedicated aero-engine to solely drive a centrifugal compressor supplying boost to the main thrust engines. Does anyone have a web-link that describes this? Had a vague memory that it may have been referred to as the zentralekompressor projekt.
great video of unfamiliar aircraft. do you know who decreed that the swastika was to be displayed on the vertical tail fin of German a/c? Was it also displayed on civil a/c?
I have seen pictures of pre-war JU-52's with German civilian reg and swastika on the tail.
I know the Hindenburg flew the swastika and that flag was the national flag at the time.
Comparing it to the PE-2- more than likely a case of same type of requirements netting comparable results.. If you recall, quite a few Soviet aircraft designers were in the Sharaska (Prison Design Bureau) at the time. ,accused of colluding with Germany. Doubt they would have given the NKVD s real reason to send them back....
More likely - same group of Russian designers produced some pretty similar aircraft at that time,, like the TU-2, PE-2-/3, Polikarpiv SPB, etc
might i suggest the Coanda 1910 for an episode?
Someone's been taking notes from Pe-2 dive bomber I see
Oh well , you can't win the all ! Thanks Ed .
And the Brits built the Mosquito which performed all the roles. Out of WOOD!
Germany: Nein is impossible!!!!!
Britain: Hold my beer and give me a hammer
@@zacharygerken4387 A hammer and the Merlin engine. 😉
@@mbryson2899 true, wonder what would happen if made a Griffin version
@@zacharygerken4387 Mosquitos aggresively flipping over unless they reversed the rotation of one prop!
@@mbryson2899 so nothing to difficult then
The Schnell bomber concept later became a long range heavy bomb load mounted externally 4 seat dive bomber and maritime attack aircraft using jumo 211 engines, none of which the bf-162 could do but the Ju-88 could..
Also the Me-210 was the Bf-162s spiritual successor and it was an unmitigated disaster
At least the Me 410, essentially the same aircraft with a re-lengthened tail (it was shortened on the 210 to save cost and caused most of the issues) did that job pretty well, being a beautiful design with a wonderfully practical weapons and bomb bay.
@@builder396 the me-410 while not an absolute disaster didn’t really meet any of the desperate needs of the luftwaffe in 1943-1944. it’s performance wasn’t that great considering it used 2 rare & powerful DB-603 engines. comparable Arado Ar 240c/ 440 or the Dornier Do-335 with the same engines were far better performers while the heinkel he-229 was the better night fighter.
Also the bomb load wasn’t great and it wasn’t that long range to genuinely replace the Junkers Ju-88. but it could be put into production relatively quickly & cheaply due to its similarity to the me-210. getting shot down by Mosquito night fighters over south England attempting to be a token night intruder or getting shot down by P-51s or P-47s over Germany attempting to be a heavy anti bomber fighter amounted to the same thing.. waste of pilots and resources
@@garydownes2111 Yeah, heavy fighters generally fit a niche of versatility. You can stick all kinds of armament options on these things, and the Bf110 pioneered this by being retrofitted into so many roles over its service life, with radar, bombs, extra cannons, rocket etc., and the Me 410 really built on that idea by having a special bay for such weapons systems.
Problem is that the concept itself was notoriously flawed, as whatever role they were put in, they were less good than dedicated planes, always less range and bomb load than bombers, less speed and climb rate than fighters, etc.so its hard to find a purpose for which they are truly suited other than being a platform for other things.
@@builder396 I just hate 410, it does had a good engine with DB603 but the german principle of Zerstrorer is just ruining it
I mean it got:
-a back gunner with the weirdest turret system
-air brake for dive bombing
-and heavy airframe to make it able to perform dive bomb
All of these is feature really make the plane heavy, its a Heavy Fighter but it doesn't mean it had to be that heavy, just look at P-38 it had successful role during the war but it doesn't have any of these feature
German is actually close creating something like P-38 in their Fw-187
@@blackmark7165 Yeah, I think at that point the Germans just capitalized on having a versatile airframe as opposed to an actual heavy fighter.
Now that you mention it, the gunner arrangement was actually praised fairly highly and Soviets made an effort to copy it for their own planes due to the excellent field of fire it offered without the awkwardness of any of the numerous and equally awkward ventral gunner emplacements, Germans probably being the only ones to halfway nail it in WWII with the Kampfkopf layout on Ju 88s and Do 217s, and US knocking it out of the park with the ball turret.
Nice work Ed :^)
You know, while this plane does bear a resemblance to the 110, it bears a even stronger one to the Pe-2, at least from certain angles.
Looks a bit like a Hunnic Pe-2.
I wonder if the focke wulf falke would have been any good in the fighter role? The wetland whirlwind did OK on similar premise
I really love your videos, and I can't be the first to say this, but have you considered just picking one system of measurement and going with it? The conversions are profoundly uninteresting information that really breaks up the flow of the scripts. Maybe you could just put the conversion up on screen for the one you don't mention?
Edit: I just realized that when you mentioned the bombs you used metric only! I didn't even notice at first because it sounds so smooth without the (110 pounds) and (1100 pounds).
Leave my Imperial system out of this! 🤣
You really butchered Bayerische Flugzeugwerke there ;) still a well done video as always
Lol I mainly worry about getting Messerschmitt right...which I often get wrong anyway :D
The should have gotten rid of the bomb aimers postion, installed cannon and turned it into a torpedo bomber. It might have been moderately effective in that role.
Would love a video on the Soviet workhorse bombers the Pe-2 and Tu-2.
Looks like a Mosquito and a Tu 2 had a baby.
Whoa. That looks suspiciously close to Pe-2.
What would be the intended target for a 15kg bomb?
Infranty.
Cars, trains planes and automobiles...
any small soft skinned targets on the ground....?
At 1:12 there's Daisy Me-110 lol
Is it just me or does this aircraft have more than a passing resemblance to the PE-2? Need to quite writing comments while the video in the very beginning! LOL
Most interesting. It has always struck me that that Bf 110 was slow, given its power-to-weight and power-to-frontal area ratios. So was the 162. Just a few years later, the similarly configured Mosquito was much faster with not much more power. Were Messerschmitt's wings duds? I'd like to hear from an aerodynamicist (which I am not) on this.
My guess would be first materials used ( wood Vs aluminium) and wings plus body profile. Mosquito was designed primarily as fighter while with Bf162 Germans tried to make it a master of all and end up with plane which was mediocre across all parameters.
Dihedral vs anhedral wings. British were very fond of dihedral designs, and it's something the US used on the p-51.
The wing being duds is probably correct, 110 had the entire fuselage used so they had to make the wing thicker for fuel tanks, while mosquito had fuel tanks in the fuselage
Also the fact that mosquito is based on racer plane
The speed is depend on the variant also a big contribution for its speed
The big diffrent is time, both the pre war Daimler-Benz DB 601 and Merlin engines did make about 1000hp, but did have a enormous development during the war, so a Mosquito did have about 50% more hp, and years of better understanding of aerodynamics. To realy understand how fast the technological development was, its only 3 year between Luftwaffe cancel its last bi-plane fighter project, to its first flight of a jet-figheter.
@@john-doe "the mosquito was designed primarily as a fighter" whose arse did you pull that out of? It was 100% developed as a bomber 🤏🏻🧠
Looks, german Mosquito Airplan.
What 'parasol' airplane is that at the beginning of the video???
Fw 56 IIRC
Ed, even if the Bf162 would have been chosen as tactical bomber, it probably would have been produced elsewhere. As you've stated correctly, Messerschmitt's books were full with 109 and 110 orders, but if the design was successful, Junkers could have ended building Bf162s. (Almost) No German aircraft manufacturer in the 30s and 40s had the capability to build a big order on its own, so whoever won a contract didn't end up building all of it. a) Orders get done in time - more or less - and b) everybody is busy.
even in the US, aircraft design orders for many types had to be fulfilled by a variety of other companies.
@@SoloRenegade Everybody did it. I think there are two aspects to it: 1. actually, the government owns the design blueprints and will have the cheapest bidder running production 2. In wartime, you won't have any factory stand still.
@@ottovonbismarck2443 Wrong, cheapest bidder is not always true, and in WW2 it wasn't the case. In WW2 is was largely and issue of capacity, same as Germany. The company that designed the aircraft, didn't have capacity to deliver the number needed themselves to fulfill the gov orders. so the gov forced them to allow others to manufacture the difference.
Gov doesn't always own the rights or blueprints to a design, Case example: F-22. Gov has learned from that and has changed the requirements of the NGAD contract accordingly. But, in wartime, the gov can do things it can't do in peacetime (at least for the US, each country has its own quirks).
One factory did produce at less than capacity in WW2 in the US, Allison. They were capable of producing even more engines than they did, but there were vested interests that didn't want the Allison developed or used more than it was.
@@SoloRenegade During peace time government will usually go - exceptions are/were made for various reasons - with the cheapest solution. You still might want to spread your production never mind the additional costs for not loosing expertise and/or keeping a region, that is depending on a certain industy, alive.
With wartime production going on, you want as much as you can as fast as you can; at least in Germany, costs were not as much a factor. If like 70% of your wartime workforce is slave labor, how can you rate costs anyway ?
Of course in Nazi Germany corruption was a big thing, at least pre-war. Everybody wanted a piece of cake. Once war was going on, there was enough for everybody.
@@ottovonbismarck2443 Yes, more good points.
Who is that Lurch lookalike talking to Hitler at 1:18?
It looks like russian Pe-2.
Strikingly similar. Sounds like it had the appearance of the Pe-2 and the performance of the Tu-2
Ju88 was a superb aeroplane.
Nice plane
I keep thinking meh I must have heard of it but I keep being wrong.
Looks a lot like the Soviet Pe-3. Who stole from the other?
Every forwards-facing photo shows a Cannon-thru-the-Prop-hub, yet you claim one light machine-gun firing Back/up in a flex-mount, controlled by the Radio operator. I'm gonna Guess, that the 20mm cannons inside the Benz 601's, were just-like those on an ME 110/210/410/109, and added Firepower for the Pilot's Use..
It's like literally a German Pe-2 lol
Just what i was thinking , but this one was earlier.
I need it in War Thunder
Funny, I was just wondering why the Germans never seemed to use gun turrets, while the Allies used them extensively.
They rarely saved an attacked bomber so they were a waste of weight. Some Mosquitoes had guns at the pointy end. Some late He 111s, He 177s, late FW 200s Ju 352s Ju390s BV 138 and the Me 2/410 had powered turrets. AND Ju188.
@@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935 Citation needed
@@kyle857 The Citation never carried a gun turret.
They preferred a gunners position with a flexible mount. Look at a bf-110 rear gunners seat. He's got one or two lightweight man-portable LMGs with a high rate of fire (up to 1800rpm in some configurations) vs a b-25s single and twin mount .50s you need a turret with larger weapons because of weight and recoil.
Only their early bombers like He 111, Do 17 and Ju 88
Later bomber do had turret, these ranging from normal turret into more complex remote controlled turret
Now why their early bomber don't have a turret?
They're several factors like
He 111 was originally an passenger plane, from my view it does not had enough room for bigger turret
Ju 88 need to fulfill role as dive bomber
Do 17 is just had a weak engine
There's also Do 217 that now had a proper turret but still retain light compared to allied bombers because it still had to fulfill role as dive bomber
1:14...am I the only one to notice that one of those scary fighters carries the less than Nazi-scale of terror name of "D-AISY"? Ah, I can hear the Germany-Made-The-Best-Of-Everything Fan Boys crooning, "If only the Nazis had built more Daisy Bombers earlier on they may have won the war."
🙏
I can see this influencing the Mosquito, I see hints up front (not the tail) and please don't shoot me down for these comments, it's what I see.
This is a new one on me and i know my plans and can tell the difference between a spitfire and Hurricane
It looks like a German Mossy, save the tail
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10x 15kg bombs?
I think he said 50 Kg
German Peshka
German Peshka
A bit like the HE111 fighter, I’m sure that’s the number, where the propaganda department had them lined up as if in an operational squadron, for a propaganda photo but this aircraft failed to get produced and enter service.
He 113
:)
BFW, pronounced: buyer-ish floogzoig verk.
Upside down vee 12s never look attractive to me. M.
Ouch that German pronunciation is painful