Martin Maryland / 167-A3; Overlooked Stalwart
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What a handsome little bomber
Yes it is.
The Maryland and it's direct descendant, the Baltimore, both important and overlooked, but also two of my favorite WWII aircraft.
I hope we can see a follow-up episode on the Baltimore.
Pleeease?
At least once, SAAF used them as improvised long range fighters, to intercept a flight of JU-52s...a mission that was a disaster.
Not only the JU-52s used their dorsal defense guns with amazing accuracy (forcing a riddled bomber to break the attack) but we're subject pf the undivided attention of the two BF-110 escort fighters: 4 bombers were shot down, plus the riddled one, which almost crashed against three stockpiles of AA grenades.
@@OscarReyes-ud4vz I read about of this incident too
@@mikepette4422 The squadron commander wasn't too happy, I guess: 5 bombers scratched out for two Junkers...
My father was in the SAAF & kept a Journal. Here is his account of OscarReyes story.
Yesterday morning I went over to 12 Squadron to see Philie Kleyn, & found him in the best of health & spirits, 12 & 21 had each sent Marylands out to sea between Crete & Derna day before yesterday to intercept 52's which are bringing in supplies, mostly petrol.
21 Squadron shot down 2, & 12 shot down one, Phillie’s pilot shot it down, for which Major Fisher the acting O.C. of 12 gave Phillie & his pilots each a bottle of whisky - this we proceeded to deal with.
Phillie says the 52s are damn well armed, cannons in the rear, & machine-guns poking out of every window in the cabins, & it shook him sitting defenceless in the nose of the Maryland flying straight into all this fire.
Yesterday morning, typical of our tactics, the Marylands were sent out to go & repeat the job - same place & everything, but naturally Jerry wasn't going to be caught the same way twice running - the Marylands run into M.E. 110s - 21 Squadron lost three planes, Major Foowler among them, & 12 lost 2, Major Fisher among them.
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Excellent story Ed. The Maryland doesn’t get the recognition it deserves.
The story of Adrian Warburton is also certainly one that deserves to be better known. For his recon flight for Taranto ~ the one where he flew around inside the harbour having told his crew to sharpen their pencils and note the ship names ~ should have the addition that after leaving Taranto the crew compared notes but couldn’t agree ~ apparently six battleships were identified instead of the five Warburton was expecting ~ so Warburton just turned round and went back into the hornet’s nest to repeat the exercise, with the crew this time agreeing that one of the Italian battleships was actually a cruiser. Incredible.
Incidentally, the weather that day was so bad that the navigator maintained that even the birds were walking.
When they got back to Malta, evidence of just how low they’d been flying was illustrated by the fact that they brought an aerial from one of the Italian ships that was caught up in their tailwheel.
The book ‘Warburton’s War’ by Tony Spooner is definitely worth a read.
The book Spies in the Sky by Taylor Downing covers the history photo reconnaissance in WW2 and of RAF Medmenham at which photograhic analysis took place. It's fascinating. It also devotes a chapter to Adrian Warburton.
There was also a BBC Timewatch documentary made about him and the search for and discovery of his remains. It's a very moving story that's definitely worth looking up. I believe it's available on RUclips.
He is a legend. Apparently in the UK he was regarded as too poor a pilot to have much of a future, hence sent out to Malta and his unusual job.
@@lllordllloyd another pilot sent to Malta as a troublemaker was George Beurling. He racked up 28 kills while in Malta.
What an excellent story. Thanks, I will get the book.
In a book about the history of the MG Car Company, I saw a reference to MG assembling sub-sections of Martin Marylands in Abingdon. The photograph used is clearly the front section of one of these planes. There was no mention of where the aircraft were finally assembled. The author did note that the Maryland is virtually unknown today.
As a MG driver this is was unknown to me. Thanks for pointing this out
One of my favorite obscure warbirds, the Maryland looks exactly like what a light reconnaissance bomber should look like.
The hudson was an underrated aeroplane too.
I was very pleasantly surprised when I found that there were 1/48 scale kits of both the Maryland AND the Baltimore. Martin sure could build 'em (B-10, Maryland, Baltimore, Marauder, Mariner, Mauler, Mercator...MARS!!!...).
As a native Marylander, this aircraft is well known to me since it is the pride and joy of the local industry during WW2!
Side note for a Marylander. At one time your football team that replaced the Colts had considered using the name Baltimore Bombers.. This was a nod to G L Martin. Alas it never happened
Wellllll next to the Marauder and liberty ships. The Maryland was in fact a beautiful sleek bird.
As was the Marauders which I was hoping for. @@nortoncomando3728
French sites (and literature) refer to the R-1830 being fitted on the 167F, presumably for compatibility reasons as the Hawk 75s also had that engine
You've done it again, Ed.
I knew of the Maryland's.
But I had no knowledge of their extensive, French service.
Thank you.
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Great video, Ed! I pride myself on being a history nerd, and I love stuff like this!
Your video did honor this beauty, of which I hadn't heard before. Sleek fuselage, surprisingly thin wing cord for an aircraft of that time, plus two big engines, weapons embedded in the wings, rudder extending way behind the elevators to ensure good spin recovery performance. Fantastic project.
I recommend Vincent O’Hara’s book Torch. In chapter 10 he describes the action at Port Lyautey. The US ship Kearny downed one attacking Glenn Martin at 08:01 and missed another. During the strike on the naval air station 3 Glenns were shot down and two damaged by F4Fs.
Thank you for this excellent and thorough video, Ed. As a footnote to your story, until a decade or so ago it was assumed that there were no surviving examples of either the 167/Maryland or its descendant, the Baltimore (though a few wrecks have been found in the Med by divers, espec off Malta). About ten or more years ago, however, there was a small item in some enthusiast magazines that an Italian academic team had stumbled upon the substantial remains of a likely ex-French Maryland at the site of an old airstrip in Africa. The few photos that accompanied the articles showed it to definitely be a Maryland - possibly one of the ex-French liaison planes used postwar - and that it was surprisingly intact. Sitting upright on its landing gear, less engines and outer wing panels, and with the nose section detached and resting on the ground in front of the fuselage. The exact location of the find was not disclosed. Sadly, nothing more was heard after this, and so far as I know the aircraft rests there to this day.
adrian warburtons (warby) use of the maryland was exceptional, especially as the aircraft was often mistaken for a JU88 so AXIS aircraft would leave him alone and Allied aircraft would attack him. warby used the maryland as a multi-role attack aircraft, fighter, bomber, photo-reconnaissance and airfield strafer. he would fly the aircraft in the worst of weather. worth reading Wing Cmdr Tony Spooners autobiography 'In Full Flight'; he worked with Warby in Malta in the early 1940's.
He was shot down in a Lockheed Lightning slightly later I believe.
Warburton was one of (if not THE) best recon pilots of the war. Very colourful figure, too. Really worth reading about, especially his time in Malta.
Great, now you guys got me intrigued and I spent the last half hour reading about Warburton. Fascinating individual.
@@johnstirling6597 I am not sure if we know he was shot down, but it was indeed a P-38 he was flying on the flight he never returned from over Italy. I think wreckage has been found and identified as his plane - if I am wrong, my apologies. I would love Ed to make a Warby video - I think he deserves remembering - and maybe it would cover his last flight, and what we now know.
@@oldesertguy9616 tony spooner was an interesting man in his own acheivements and he had a great regard for Warby check out spooners books
I love videos that are over 20 minutes. Also I had completely forgotten about this aircraft. Thank you for telling the story of this obscure and useful aircraft.
I am from Maryland, actually Hagerstown where the A-10 was built at the Fairchild plant. My grandfather working at Martin at one point, during the war I believe. Great vid of a pretty plane. Hope to hear about the Baltimore which had a decent career as well!
Is Hagerstown where the C 119 flying boxcar was built? I used to drink beer made in Hagerstown MD called -Old German. (Actually the van said made in Queen City MD) 🍺
@@nortoncomando3728 yes, but more odd is the fact that I own and ride, sometimes a ‘74 Norton Commando w flat sides and a 920
Kit! 👍
@@chriscarbaugh3936 I had a 1975 Commando interstate with the E starter. I was a great machine. I have never seen a 920 conversion. It must have been fast as my stock machine was already fast from factory
The little Aircraft Museum at the old Fairchild plant was great fun when I visited... seeing the old twin boom beasts gave me a weird, cool feeling, almost like something from a parallel history. It really is a shame there is no room for a small outfit like Fairchild in the defense industry today. Living there when it was in production must have really been something.
The requisitioned French Marylands also had their throttles changed around to push forward to increase power.
Early war stuff is gold. 🤙 Always winds up overlooked thanks to later developments.
Wow! I thought I knew a lot about this stuff. Well, you proved me wrong!
For one I didn't know that the French payed to expand Martin.
Furthermore I too thought the Maryland to be a mediocre footnote. It played some pretty important roles.
Like always you make for a gripping very interesting narative of excellent story telling to boot.
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It's great to hear about an actually good and useful warplane that was "forgotten". It shows how easy it is to miss key aspects of history when focusing on what is "popular" or "the best".
Thank you, Ed !
The US has been at war with a democracy, Finland in the Continuation war. This and Vichy make poor war propaganda, especially when US made planes fight each other, plus France, Russia and England want to take pride in their own planes and factory workers, so these US export planes get forgotten for a reason.
Also forgotten here are the weapons and tactics, and politics, of sometimes major wars not involving the United States.
« Shot by anti-aircraft artillery… from above » is the best one I have ever heard!
I have checked in my vintage 1941 Aircraft of the Fighting Powers book gifted to me as a young boy in the 1950s and it only mentions Twin Wasps of various types as powerplants. Thank you for a very informative and entertaining video.
As somebody who grew up in Maryland, graduated from the University of Maryland's Aerospace Engineering School, and witnessed the Glenn L. Martin Wind Tunnel there, I'm amazed I never heard of this aircraft.
A glorious account of a very sleek little beast, mom 2 the Baltimore, looking great in mass formations. Thank you very much ❤️
Quite an impressive story for a plane I had never heard of.
Your honesty in saying “I don’t know” led to my subscription. I appreciate facts even when they’re an admission of ignorance. It’s a good looking airplane.
Great video Ed and I'm really glad the Marylands of the SAAF in Madagascar did not get overlooked. You did miss out though on a rather amusing incident involving Bull Malan, brother of Sailor Malan, mentioned in an S A Military History Society article, "The South African Air Force in the Madagascar Campaign, 1942". It is available online.
A versatile aicraft indeed Ed . I think Warburton was from the bread making company and l'm fairly certain he didn't survive the war .And just for a change l knew quite a lot about this aircraft . Thanks Ed
Thank's for that Ed, I had a model kit of a Maryland as a boy but knew very little about them or their history. 👍🇬🇧
Great video. I've been reading about World War II for over a half century, and I have never heard of this aircraft. Thank you, France, for underwriting Martin's transition into a defense production juggernaut that continues today as part of Lockheed Martin.
My father brought home quite a few memorabilia from his service in WWll. One of these was an aircraft recognition booklet with the silhouettes and information about each plane. I have always had an interest in the Maryland aircraft but didn't know much about the aircrafts history. Thank you for the information, as always. You are thorough and very informative.
Superb appraisal of a ground breaking yet largely unknown machine. It did Stirling work in North Africa for sure with South African crews but with Naval crews I didn’t know about those exploits
Another great video on a severely overlooked aircraft I read about them in the war over the desert but it does seem to have done a great job nonethless elsewhere as well...
Awesome to hear about the SAAF in WW2! I read a book many years ago by a SAAF navigator. Unfortunately, I forgot the name of the book and the author. Haven't been able to find it since. He was part of an SAAF bomber squadron flying Marylands in North Africa. Apparently the Germans dubbed them the "18 Indefatigables" due to the endless number of bombing sorties they launched.
Per noctum per diem. It's the story of 24 sqd.
My grandfather's was a french flight engineer on a b26 during the war
The funny thing is, I knew all the campaigns mentioned, thanks to them being covered the IL-2 Community in user-made campaigns.
IL-2 Forgotten Battles (later 1946) really lived up to it's name, unlike some others.....
Fantastic bit of history, thanks Ed.
The United States light bomber all had one thing in common. Versatility. The Martin Maryland has been grossly forgotten in history.
Crazy story. I’d never heard of this plane before but it seems like if it had been given half a shake it could have been as well known (and used in the same way) as the Mosquito. Thanks for this awesome video on a very pretty but sadly forgotten aircraft.
Brilliant Ed, I was aware of the Maryland and it’s work in North Africa but there was so much more. So many of the conflicts that were ‘forgotten’ was because they were not in Europe where every skirmish was recorded in great detail and fodder for the newspapers of the time.
Glad you enjoyed it :)
If they had single-bank Wright Cyclone engines, they would have very different cowlings, no? So, Ed, I agree with you. Improbable at best.
Thanks Ed for another great video. Long been aware of the Maryland but I'm today old learning, with no little embarrassment, of the existence of the Vichy air force.
Good looking aircraft. Way underserved by history. Thanks for the fitting tribute.
Ed Nash: A GREAT video of an aeroplane which has forever been one of my "under the Radar" favorites of WWII. In early war context say, 1940/41, pretty well as fast as a Hawker Hurricane, a good armament, and very very useful, sort of the Mosquito of it´s day. I am glad you mention the greatest of all Recce pilots, Warburton, who loved them and they did great service and better to be in than a Blenheim or a Beaufort, by far, as you infer. The later Baltimore was fatter but no faster, and the Marauder had some serious issues initially. But as in WWII every year saw step-jump advances, to be in a "Maryland" in 1940 would have given a pilot a good feeling that only being in a "Mosquito" in 1943 could match. Once again, a WONDERFUL and COMPREHENSIVE history of an undeservedly underrated aircraft. Thank You !
Such love for the unloved Maryland. Great video sir.
Great video. The Maryland is widely under appreicated among aircraft enthusiasts IMO.
Thank you for this lovely video, really interesting particularly as there isn't much literature about on the aircraft it seems as well as photos. My grandfather flew them in the SAAF in North Africa, both RAF and SAAF serials, hence why I love the aircraft but also because I think it is good looking. Built the ARK (ex FROG) kit last December back in Namibia for my dad. I have the Special Hobby versions in the stash but in 48th scale. In my grandad's logbook he mentions shooting down an Italian CR42, it is also mentioned in a book, but from the military archives it isn't clear I believe. Great video, thank you.
really love the early war light/medium twins, so many cool aircraft.
Well done Ed, another top shelf video on an aircraft I thought was an early discarded type... but what a story well done sir
I've always admired this plane. It always seemed like a smart design, considering the times and technology available. I'm surprised the U.S. military had absolutely *no* use for it.
'I'm surprisedhow long this video's run'
Ed - *Its an EPIC*
And well justified by the subject matter.
The quickest way to distinguish between Wright R-1820 and Pratt R-1830 is that the Wright has only a single row of 9 cylinders, while the R-1830 has two rows of cylinder. R-1820 powered: Brewster Buffalo, Douglas SBD Dauntless, DC-2 and the first batch of DC-3 similarly, the first batch of Grumman Wildcats were powered by R-1820 (many given to the British Fleet Arm Arm), but the primary user of R-1820 was Boeing's B-17 Flying Fortress. The last airplane to use R-1820s were Grumman's 1950s vintage Tracker and Albatross. Finally R-1820s powered Piasecki H-21 and Sikorsky S-58 helicopters.
Meanwhile, P&W R-1830 twin-row engines powered: Budd Conestoga transport, Consolidated B-24 Liberator, PBY Catalina, later DC-3,Curtiss P-36 Hawk fighter, Devastator, later Grumman Wildcat, Lockheed Lodestar, Martin Maryland, Seversky P-35, Short Sunderland Mark V, Vickers Wellington Mark IV, etc.
Why several designs switched from R-1820 to more complex R-1830 is a mystery to me??????
a new (and thoroughly informative) episode from Ed = all is right in the world
One of my favourite bombers and a very elegant design. The French were quite satisfied with it and it provided good service.
Most interesting video on a plane I was only vaguely aware of. My WW2 knowledge is further added to once again. Only other twin engine aircraft with multiple wing guns I can think of at the moment would be the Beaufighter.
Ed Nash's Military Matters ,I am really grateful for your coverage of these Attack, Bomber, Reconnaissance, Transport, and "other" lessor-known, Allied aircraft (especially the twin engine designs like this A 3 "Maryland"). My interest in these twin engine planes dates back to my childhood, when my dad would describe seeing various types flying over the Orlando Florida area (where he was living and working prior to being inducted to the Signal Corps in 1943, and stationed here for a time after). Thank you for a fun and informative video!
Thank you for another very informative video about a plane that I did know to some degree. But your video filled in a lot of my gaps of knowledge about this specific aircraft. As a former history teacher and plane geek. Your videos are first rate entertainment. Well Done!
I read a book by a Polish aviator who spent a long time as a navigator flying in British photo reconnaissance unit (PRU). He described how much better the Marylands were then the British Blenheims and how much the crews liked flying them (except the navigators, who had absolutely no room to move, and the only possible diversion from sitting on a 14-hr flight was kneeling, not to mention a lot of sharp edges that tend do cut their skin when flying in a tropical areas where the standard flying outfit in the desert were khaki shorts and short sleeves.
I woke up this morning hoping for a new Ed video.
Hooray!
Excellent video again. Thanks Ed. As French, I'm proud we helped the USA build their economy. 😉😙
In the book "to the Brightest of Stars," Boleslaw Pomian described how incredibly fast the "Martins" were when compared to Blenheims. He describes one of his recon missions when after taking photos of a French harbour, his pilot dove below the ships' mast level and escaped the area, while the French AA shells were exploding hundreds of yards behind them....
Again, another informative and revelatory video. Thank you Ed.
A lovely aircraft and one of my favourites, thank you.
The US certainly turned around their aircraft production numbers, now didn’t they? From 3000 total production in 1939 to 300,000 by the end of the war. Three. Hundred. Thousand. Mind-blowing.
This is the first history of the type I've come across and considering the service it put in that's quite a surprise. Very informative vid, thankyou.
Baltimore native here, have fond memories reading about this bird at the Martin museum as a kid
Nicely done, Mr. Nash. 👍
Hi Ed, Excellent work, sir!
I recommend “TORCH”, by Vincent P. O’Hara. A fascinating and detailed read about the invasion of French North Africa. It details the Vichy French Air Force and Naval Air operations against the three invasion fleets by unit and type noting the differences between the Allied and Vichy operational reports. Marylands were a significant portion of Vichy air power!
Excellent video Ed!
I learned a lot today, thanks Ed
Thanks. I've seen occasional pictures and mention of these but never read very much about them. Another of the many under regarded aircraft of the early war years.
Well that was exciting, thanks for clarifying the glossed over history, great video!
Again, Thanks Ed !
A great fantastic interesting video and aircraft Mr.Ed as always.Have a good one.
Nice vid! Thanks for sharing!
Ed's setting for this video was very informative 👍
Awesome plane thank you, and the photos are outstanding in all your videos , this video with some stunning pix.
Very good video, Thanks Ed. I subscribed.
Excellent video and thanks Ed Nash for all of your research 👍
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good job Ed
This is fantastic.
Hooray for Warby, 'cause he was a jolly good fellow and nobody can deny....
Excellent video! It’s because of this kind of stories that WW2 history keeps on being a fascinating topic. Congratulations!
great work, thank you
This is the best thing I ever saw.
Salute to Ed, great story.
Kind of looks like the P-61 in a way :D
Agree, I think it's the shape of the nose.
@@rmcdudmk212 Yes, it's definitely the long schnozz
Excellent Well done.
Excellent - thank you!
You're right.
This was very interesting.
Great video
I presume that the Maryland's successor, the larger Martin Baltimore, will feature in a future video.
I have read a reference to the RAF having re-engined with Twin Wasps the ex-French aircraft which originally came with Wright Cyclones, though it's not obvious why they would do that when both types of engine were used by the RAF in other aircraft.
Freaky thing- as a 5 year old-ish kid one of the very few things I remember is a dream where I had a view of Maryland, starboard side, from another plane/Maryland. Then the plane I was in suddenly did a 90° towards the ground, end of dream. We're talking camo, RAF roundels, no squadron code, buffeting/air turbulence, engine drone, in colour in the days of black and white....everything, and g forces. I later became a plane nut which is where I recognized the type (even later I would win aircraft recognition competitions in the Air Training Corps). My only ever flying dream.
A real slick looking one, likeable🙌🏼
As always very interesting
My 1940 'Sillouettes of British Aircraft' (HMSO 1/-) that I was given in the early 1950s, states 'Maryland 1 (2 Cyclone or Wasp)' but with no performance details.
Two B-24 engines on a little airplane like that? Bound to have some decent performance.
That plane is so sleek looking. Ta Ed, that was a cracker.