Hands On CITIZEN Promaster Automatic Dive in Super Titanium 200m Dive Watch Seiko Killer? NB6021-68L
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2022
- CITIZEN Promaster Automatic Dive in Super Titanium a 200m ISO Dive Watch and Seiko Killer NB6021-68L
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Man, that Citizen it’s actually both cool looking, amazing material with the titanium and most importantly the movement is top notch! I agree on the MYOTA, the 9000 is quite above similar NH movements.
all my 4r / 6R and NH movements have daily variance error of around 10secs to 15secs , my miyota 9015 movement watch loses 3.5seconds daily . my 1st 6R experience was about 6 seconds/24 hours but it all when bonkers and went up to 10+ sec per day after the 2nd or 3rd day! bizarre!
@@woonfaseng8737 635/15 are quite erratic honestly
I have been a Seiko devotee for thirty years. Owned all sorts. But, over the past year, Citizen has taken my eyes, and just purchased my first two. This one and a NY0100 Titanium Diver.
I also purchased it, sold it after a week, then bought one more Seiko. This is how the story ends.
@@Michael-ko8uf I ended up regretting selling my Seikos and bought them back again. Sumo, 62mas, Willard, mm200 etc... bought them back again.
When you're contemplating a Seiko, IMHO it always pays to look at similar offerings from both Citizen and Orient before pulling the trigger. You may be pleasantly surprised.
I have the original watch from the 70’s, on which this model is based upon. It still runs perfectly and I’m intending to buy this “reinterpretation” as well.
Thank you for the review.
Hi, What's the original model from the 70s reference?
1977 Citizen Challenge Diver
Ref.4-820789Y
@@danielhovet5675 Citizen Challenge Diver 62-6198
Me too
May I ask how does it compare to the reissued version because I just bought the black version I wanted a oyster 2tone gold and stainless steel link customized bracelet 😮
Chris, your Citizen reviews are knocking it out of the park. It's nice to see the brand getting some recognition. I've noticed there have been some price hikes for the brand here in the UK, I guess that's happening in all markets. I'm wondering is it production costs or following Seiko's strategy and trying to move upmarket. This model and the black on rubber strap are stunning. Another great review. 👍
Hi, I’m a huge fan of the channel, this Citizen looks amazing, the clasp gives something that Seiko doesn’t and I love titanium watches. Definitely I’m going to look for it!
I’m lucky to have a few luxury pieces in my collection. But, my daily driver is the Citizen Pro-master quartz in stainless steel on a metal bracelet. For me it’s the best all rounder. This titanium auto version is about to be added to the collection.
I have a citizen pro diver and it is a fantastic watch. Citizen is making some good watches. Their quality control is fantastic. Even a $70 watch quartz, will hit all the markers. They are also making great bracelets. Seiko is a great brand and I bought a lot of watches from them. Love their designs. Seiko needs to fix their alignment issues though.
Seiko needs to fix those horrific stamped clasps
Just got a samarai,now having to pay£108 for a proper bracelet with milled clasps and screwed solid links. Up you're game Seiko
@@2K9s I find it amusing to that people don't know the difference between the"watch" and the bracelet.
Also I don't choose my watches on what other people think, as it me wearing it .
And finally let's say your right, stamped bands are weaker and both fail more often and look worse and are gangly , so my grail chasing friend you follow the crowd and I will make my watches better. Thanks for the comment
@@2K9s oh oh oh I forgot expensive doesn't equate to quality, you sound like a gold day date guy, just sayin
@@2K9s yes you are correct we could have had a civil conversation yet you started your comment with the fact that you were laughing at the fact that people whom wanted a different bracelet.
Then flexed on you're grail comment . Which tells me you think you,you're opinions and your watch are better than others. Which means you think and strive to be an elitist.
And the fact you felt the need to correct my grammar convinces me of that . And if you had been told any manners, it's bad form to correct someones failure's. Thanks for the tet ar tet
@@2K9s hey 3,5 gram who the fuk are you telling to stay in line .
I don't need dogs knobhead I am the dog
You stay in line coz I now know what you look like, stay in your lane lad
Serious piece of kit, just like we expected. Very subdued; it makes no attempt to be anything other than a tool watch. I have this same type of bracelet and clasp on my Ecodrive BN0150. I definitely use it as a micro adjust as my wrist swells as I'm out and about. Titanium and a high beat movement with that kind of accuracy for under $1k... Seiko would be charging $2000 for that.
Love my current version Citizen Ti eco drive diver. No QC issues at all. Accuracy is such that you really don’t need to use the crown often, so it’s small size is not an issue. Lume is just as good or even better than some of my Seiko’s. The Mercedes hour hand on this one was a surprise.
Great watch! I was leaning to the Black dial/rubber strap due to its sharp contrast but after this review, I’ll say this blue with bracelet model looks stunning!
Ordered the blue one because of the Ti bracelet. As a Seiko fan, I don't mind getting this Citizen. Can't wait to receive it!
This clasp is also on citizen Promaster titanium Tough. Ecodrive, titanium monocase toolwatch. 300m wr. Citizen is the real value brand right now!
Totalmente de acuerdo son precios justos "calidad precio"
Tissot, Longines and Hamilton are the best value brands.
@@antonhallergren588 those are all swatch group brands, they use low grade ETA movements in their “better value” watches. Plastic movement parts etc in their mechanical watches. Don’t rate them at all.
@@AliA-ei1ec yeah so does watches that cost 4,5,6 hell 10k dollars and up. It's silicone or in the case of many of them it's nivachron that's just a very anti magnetic metal alloy it's for anti magnetic purposes. But sure if you don't want to go eta or Swatch then Seiko is good as well. Both the 6r and 4r movements are easy to service. My local watchmaker who has been doing it for 30 years and backs Swatch over any 8 or 9000 series movements from the citizen group in terms of serviceability. It's just a myth that you can't do anything about even the shittier powermatic 80s when they eventually need a service 10 or 15 years down the line. Worst case scenario a watchmaker will just swap the movement for a sw200 for 2824 and it's essentially the same cost as it otherwise would've been.
WR is 200.
Great video, thank you very much for presenting this awesome watch.
My plan was to get it in black with the bracelet in addition, as I was afraid that the blue will be too blue, if you know what I mean. But the blue is actually super nice! Maybe I have to rethink my plan… 🤔
I absolutely agree with you, that this is a Seiko-Killer! 🤘😎
Waiting on this review. I'm really digging this watch from Citizen. That bevel on the sapphire, my AMA diver from Albany has the same type of crystal, that same reflection off the lumed indices. I wish brands wouldn't make vintage style diver's with such small crowns. An oversized crown would be the seal for me on this watch. Great review!
Great review! This will also definitely be part of my collection! To be fair, you can really get the most out of your money on a Citizen than a Seiko. They have better builds especially with regards to titanium and pvd coated ones.
Citizen knocks it out the park again! I could have saved myself some money on my latest purchase by getting htis, but I arleady have 2 citizens (eco drives). Seiko , never truly a fan of them, always liked Citizen designs better and felt their bracelets always were better even at budget priced levels.
Awesome looking dial. Love the hands . Definitely picking this up
Citizen is now what old Seiko used to be
Great review! I just ordered mine yesterday, hope it arrives soon, can’t wait to put it on my wrist! 🙌🏻
I need one of those bad boys for my box. It is a seiko KILLER hands down !!! Thanks for such a great review Chris. T y !
Great watch. Only thing is the male end links which makes it harder for smaller wrists but overall, a great package.
it is essentially a 90XX movement, but also has the silicone spring for increased anti-magnetism
I agree with you Chris, it is a Seiko Killer. Thanks for the review!
Great review Chris! It definitely is a Prospex killer, nevermind the people whining and nitpicking in the comments. I was looking for a tool watch with bracelet to replace my old Seiko 5 and this is perfect- titanium and diver's clasp are both awesome, surely buying this. At this price there are only microbrands/ indies like Zelos that can compete. However they don't have the heritage & reliability this will offer. What I dislike is that Citizen took ages to get this out and secondly the black one comes only with strap?? What a lame strategy. Can you also get the black one on camera Chris?
This watch is awesome, I will definitely be buying it as well. Great video!
Love it. Hope Citizen will produce a slightly smaller version in the future
Really nothing here is a deal breaker and it's good to see Citizen drawing from a successful model from the past. And even with increasing prices (a fact of the times) it's still more than competitive givent the movement and titanium, so overall I'd say a well thought out piece.
I love my vintage Challenge divers, love that they are not titanium, and I think they are better watches. Good reedition though, no doubt.
Really cool release from Citizen. Would take Miyota 9XXX compared to 6r any day. But at that price point, my choice would gravitate towards the Steinhart Titanium diver.
The watch head is great! I know this is asking too much but I would have loved to see the old H-link style bracelet from the vintage version since that's what this model is based on, that would complete the whole reissue goal.
Great review! Does it have the loud rotor that alot of other 9000 series movements have?
Very cool watch… I am purchasing today at black version and rubber strap. Very nice watch! The crystal is domed underside of the dial,beautiful
Just bought this watch in the UK. Struggling to work out how to set time and date. Any help would be great. Thanks
Hi Chris, what is the bezel made of, also titanium? Cheers
If I were in the market for a diver, I'd certainly consider this one.
Some specs per the same priced Seiko are superior. Seiko make great looking dials always have plus the case design and finishing are also great. This is a nice watch one I might add but a Seiko killer maybe not. Good review always enjoy your content.
Pretty good review. Could I suggest that you cover the watch measurements first up.... That way it provides a much better context for the content, from the get-go. It took 7 minutes to get to one of the most vital pieces of information!!!
Fantastic watch! And the super titanium is very much scratch proof
what is the lug width? Nice watch, I am torn between this and Baltic Aquascaph titanium. Both have similar specs.
This looks great. I really want the oh so popular SPB143. But this has more features and in titanium. Can it almost be a Pelagos 39 killer? Great review!
that watch is a throwback. i can't think of the name of the citizen diver. duratect is and excellent finish. better than tudor pelagos. i like it
Great looking timepiece, excellent review
Only thing for me is the Small dimensions.....prefer 44 mm 15 mm thick
Thanks for the review
This Citizen is an impressive piece but it isn't a " Seiko Killer ."
The Seiko killer is the Seiko quality control dept. - which was enough to kill my purchase for a Seiko, for me anyway.
Yep got mine on order.
It's a cool watch with great specs, the only thing that it's lacking is the character, and Mercedes hands don't help for sure. As far as Seiko and titanium goes I bought a classic 1st gen Shogun SBDC029 recently and I'm in love. It gets a lot of wrist time and it steals it from much more expensive watches. That's the Seiko you wanna compare this Citizen with since the current generation of Shogun is much more expensive.
7:42 40.9 is what I am getting, 40.6, somehow I am getting it a little bit smaller (screen shows 40.5), but that's what it is, it's 40.9, I've measured it a few times, so 40.8 - hahaha Thanks for the video ;)
wow great video! I think this is definitely a Seiko killer and I hope it comes to Canada.
Great review 👍 What other Watches have a clasp like this one have where it s easy to make it easy larger ??
Hi What You think about Citizen Fujitsubo vs Seiko Srph97K1 Night Vision ? I wanna buy one of them
BOOM, here it is!!!! Thats a true Seiko killer. Citizen is shoving how to make a good Dive watch, with a Miyota 9051. B A N G
Looks like a great one. Unfortunately for me I have a mental block when it comes to Mercedes hands.
Amazing watch! Gonna have to get one.
This is a great model for Citizen. But I’m not sure Seiko doesn’t have a comparable option. The current Shogun can be had for under 1200 on bracelet and 1000 on a strap. It’s also arguably a more original design. That being said, if I had to choose I think I would pick the Citizen.
Hey the shogun is in stainless steel if I'm not mistaken and retails for 200$ more than this... I would imagine this in SS would be about 800 on bracelet...
SBDC129 is full titanium and 1157$ on Seiya. I realize now that this is far more than the “street price” of the Citizen. I should have done more research before I commented. Didn’t intend to sound negative :)
Hey man, all good. No negativity. I'm just comparing retail to retail. I think that the SBDC 129 retails for more than 1200
Whats ref number of a black model if there is any, i saw some but on straps
Does it come with strap option? I’m not a bracelet dude.
Está hermoso ese reloj el súper titanio de citizen está muy bien acabado y waooo un movimiento de la serie 9000 super🇵🇦👊👍
Checks all the boxes! I want it!
Awesome watch, love it !
I have the black version and a seiko 5 with 4r35, but honestly the seiko is a tough chalenge. The seiko is very easy to wind up with your hand movement, not this. This need to be worn. If you need one single faithful watch to have in your wrist every time, this is excellent
After having lived with a ratcheting micro-adjust watch (Certina DS Action Diver), I just can't go back from it. It's like I didn't know what I was missing. I almost can't imagine going back to wearing normal bracelet again.
Great recommendation!
Yes, finally great things happening in the 2020’s!
some watch , up there with the best looking dive watches ,
Any details on movement ? is it better than seiko divers ?
i am from singapore. all my 4r / 6R and NH movements have daily variance error of around 10secs to 15secs , my miyota 9015 movement watch loses 3.5seconds daily . my 1st 6R experience was about 6 seconds/24 hours but it all when bonkers and went up to 10+ sec per day after the 2nd or 3rd day! bizarre!
I have a different super titanium Citizen- with the satellite wave. Even better than this model, I think. Amazing line, and yes-it hurts to say-They equal or better than Seiko 🤷🏼♂️
Even with its shortcomings I really like this watch
Interesting, has some 90s Seamaster vibes to it with that bezel font and the blue.
Citizen has been killing it recently on the spec sheet and while this is on the more pleasing side optically, however for some reason also this doesn’t do it for me 🤷🏻♂️
Muy buen video amigo.
Una pregunta que numero de referencia tiene??
Always like titanium watches. I am ti- taaaay - nium.....Good review. Thanks
How is the AR coating on this?
Love my Citizen Captain America Eco Drive Divers 200M Titanium
Just got mine today. Sure seems like a very well made piece. It's touted to have 200 gauss of antimagnetism too. Not sure if this can be considered a Seiko killer but it will sure wipe out many other brands 😅
However, the case finishing is rather crude compared to Seiko. Seems like it's not properly finished or still work in progress.
Still happy with it?
Amazing gona buy one❤
Very interesting watch, but not a fan of these hands. Hope Citizen releases variations of this one in the future, as well a GMT with the new mioyta GMT movement used in the Bulova.
If it has the same dial as BJ7111, I will buy it.
Very nice watch. What is the material for the bezel insert ?
The bezel insert is aluminum.
Hahahahaha "Seiko Killer" reminds of Talking Heads! Oké it's offtopic........“Qu’est-ce que c’est ?”
Is the bracelet sized with friction pins or pin and collar? Cool watch. Thanks for sharing!
Pin and collar
@@WatchChris I have a number of Citizen watches, and all have pin and collar. Do you know of any in their current lineup with friction?
i used to be a big seiko fan but can't stomach the misalignment and lack of QC. bought this watch and it's amazing. QC and alignment is perfect, plus a 28000 beat auto movement. very light, extremely scratch resistant. at $560 most websites, how can anyone wanting a top iso diver consider seiko? totally destroys seiko.
For the longest time I thought Citizen gave up on competing with Seiko and focused on Fast Fashion style for the masses but props for a proper Diver Auto.
Man you need to look again Citizen has hundreds off tool/diver watches. Citizen doesnt make fashion watches!
I really like citizen and the 9 series movement but that's about the same price as christopher ward and they just started taking orders on a 300m diver and this doesn't compare.
👍👍👍 Citizen ProMaster Dive Nice Watch 👍👍👍
Seiko need not be worried about this particular model. The quality is wanting in just about every area.
Where can i get it?
Great review. Pelease make a comparision vídeo with the Seiko spb143 of similar. Thank you Very Much
I'd prefer it if they offered an Eco drive version. Almost all the watches in my collection are solar and I love the mvmt. It's durable and I won't have to worry about maintenance issues every 5 to 8 years. I already have a couple of Promaster "pilot" watches with Eco drives and now I'm just looking for a nice diver with a clasp like this one. I'd prefer not to go jdm either cause finding deals on itizen or casio jdm watches is a needle in a haystack.
I bought the black version but returned it immediately - just could not live with the crown - it looks ridiculous to my eye. Shame as it is otherwise a really nice watch.
Can you buy the black (which comes with rubber strap) and then buy the bracelet from Citizen ?
Yes.
EDIT: You can order it via their live chat feature
Well, I love this move by Citizen. I LOVE the ANTIMAGNETISM till 16.000 GAUSS, even more than the Omega calibers. In the opposite side, I DON'T LIKE the SIZE OF THE CROWN, it look smaller than in the original. Having present the crown has no guards, no protection, it should be way more robust, specially having pesent this is a diver's watch. Also, I don't like the end-links, they are too bulkier, they should have made them "female" end-links so the bracelet would hug better the wrist. Said allt his, I LOVE THIS WATCH and I feel it very right and fairly priced for what it offers. We are getting too used to see overpriced pieces by several times the price they should have.
It's not 16,000 gauss. It's 16,000 A/m which works out to about 200 gauss. Still better protected against casual magnetism than most watches!
@@johnd7564 Oh, I either read wrong or just what I would like to read 🤦🏻♂️😅😅😅. Thanks.
YES!!!
At this time it looks like Citizen is run by engineers and designers that check in with their marketing department, while Seiko seem to be run by the marketing department that overwork the designers.
So this just kills an entire brand just like that? Amazing
Seiko SNE569?
Finally !!!!!!
The Dial shoud be sunbursted, the Bezel should be domed sapphire with lumed numerals like fifty fathoms
First! Yayyyy. Great review. Thanks!
A comment from someone that actually used to short dive.
1 the packaging is a joke, too much plastic, a piss take. 2 the crown is too small and not protected, divers know what I mean. 3 bevelled lenses are a bitch to look at under water. 4 the power reserve is substandard at 41hrs considering a Seiko 6r35 /70 hr. 5 the hour hand was a fail back then & still is now along with the thin most importantly unsatisfactory minute hand. The bracelet saves this watch, it is quicker to use than the Seiko SPB 189 Titanium, but that's about where it ends. If a casual water sport snorkelling Guy/Gal gets one, they may be kicking themselves for not getting the longer reserve Seiko without the Turtle food packaging!. Oh yes the Cyclops date on the SPB189J is no joke, Divers need to see the date when doing up the dive log entry. So to sum up the retail AU$1550.00 for the Citizen Titanium Promaster it's OK. The Seiko prospex SPB189J at AU $1690.00 is the common sense buy, albeit with a save the ocean crappy cardboard box. Cheers from Brisbane, Australia. Johno :)
I like it.
That said, I think I'm going to save my $$ for the Tudor Pelagos 39.
Not in the same price category, but it's too easy to buy multiple 1K plus watches and still want more.
I'd like to see this Citizen compared with the Seiko Shogun. I'm so tempted by that piece, but seems a bit hard to find.