Wooden Closet Rods Are TERRIBLE! Try This Better Alternative...(Metal Clothing Rod Install Tips)
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Wooden Closet Rods Are TERRIBLE! Try This Better Alternative...(Metal Clothing Rod Install Tips)
One of the things I see people do wrong all the time when they set up a new closet is use wooden closet rods/clothing rods. These things are terrible! This short video from The Honest Carpenter will show you a much better, very similar alternative--metal closet rods!
Metal closet rods come in the same dimensions as wooden closet rods, but they're a far more suitable material.
Metal closet rods look better than wooden clothing rods, and they're more functional. They come with either a chrome finish, or a sprayed-on, ceramic-like white or black finish. Clothes hangers slide far more easily across this surface!
Metal closet rods install similarly to wooden closet rods. Simply measure your closet opening, transfer this measurement to your closet rod, and cut it to length with a hacksaw.
Closet rods come with brackets that mount to sidewalls. I prefer to mount these to trim plates on the side walls, because it's a much stronger connection.
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Many new DIYers use wooden closet rods without realizing there’s a nearly identical metal product that’s far superior! (They’re often kept in a separate section at lumberyards.) Give them a try-you’ll thank yourself for it later! 🙂
Still have the same opinion? Looks like the wall is really thin.
I wish yu were in my area in los Ángeles I would defenetely hired yu do for this in my closet just what I need
Real Wood looks always good. Don’t try to sell you Chinese copies.
I really didn't want a center support for my heavily loaded 6' spans. I got the stiffest chrome closet rod I could find, then inserted a piece of metal conduit that would barely fit, then put a piece of galvanized pipe inside that, also with tight clearance. It worked great, with very little flex/sag. My friend commented that I had made a "tube-ducken" (named after the turducken).
Funny, I was going to say use 3/4" emt
Hey that's really smart! I don't like the center support either. Great solution.
I mean, all you needed was just the iron pipe
I agree! I used steel rods in my laundry room. The hangers slide so smoothly!
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The Euro style oval rods for me...15mm x 30mm.
Span 4 foot easily.
Closet shelving is about half my work. Used about 1000 LF of rod since the first of the year...prices are up and availability is a problem now.
Several customers have suggested wooden rods, but I give them the same reasons to avoid them....your video is spot on.
Funny thing is my personal house has wooden rods😀
A hollow steel closet rod is a great hiding place for valuables. Rolls of cash, jewelry, and other things that will fit. Easy access with one side in an open top cup holder. So much better than a fake electrical outlet or in the tub of ice cream in the freezer.
Great...now you gave away the hiding place for my valuables! 😲😂
That's great, can you tell me where you live?
One of the problems with wood rods are finger joints which come from Asia, if it’s truly solid then you have to be careful with the grain orientation. I’ve grown up with galvanized pipe in almost every home I’ve lived in since 1960. Wooden rods will survive the test of time if it came from that time and they’re short. Like coat closet short. Grain was tighter in wood back then. Also people tend to overload their rods. Mom was a stickler for us kids to make sure our hangers were 1 ½”-2” apart so clothes didn’t wrinkle. She also had us put on a coat of wax on the pipe as part of spring cleaning.
For those considering conduit I would recommend rigid metal conduit over emt as it won’t bend as easily. Thick wall thickness when using any metal rod.
One other item to add to the metal rod, use wax paper to rub down the top of the rod. When I was working retail using wax paper helped the hangars slide just a bit easier. I do it every so often at home usually when the hangars feel "sticky"
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That’s a good tip, Gears! 😄
A bit of Briwax on a wooden rod makes a world of difference. My clothing flies from side to side.
I can see that helping, Prescott. But do you still get some sag issues? Wood is just so prone to warping, especially circular rods!
@@TheHonestCarpenter so far, no. But my spans are only about 5’ and I use handrails or all-purpose dowels rather than closet rods specifically. They’re sold in a different section of the home improvement store, in longer lengths, and thicker diameters, yet cost less! A bit more work, perhaps, but the result are holding up.
If I had a longer span, I’d definitely use a brace in the middle, or knowing me, maybe something minimal with airplane cable drilled through the center.
Good information to know especially showing the two holding rings for each end and of course the centre support as in many cases people can be very rough when hanging or removing items from hangers and of course packing the area with too much stuff great video great job and of course you live up to your title "The Honest Carpenter" you give advice with good hints but leave the option to the user to make their own decision. Nice job
Thank you I had no idea about this I have run into several wooden rods I didn’t know about the metal rod option thank you for this video !
I'm in the process of replacing all the wooden rods in our house with metal ones and I could agree with you more. 2 thumbs up on this recommendation!
As a wood worker I built my own closet and use 3/4 inch iron gas pipe, I sanded, primed, and painted it to coordinate with the walnut wood in the build, it is incredibly beautiful and strong. You can use the threaded foot plates to screw to wall or wood post making mounting super easy
Was it just me or did anyone else raise an eyebrow when he removed the "rusty" metal rod from the closet to replace it with another "metal' rod...lol? I thought the whole idea of the video was to show us how terrible wooden closet rods are compared to metal...but wood doesn't rust...lol. I still love the content...just having a little fun with the observation.
That one was like a 1” pipe covered with latex paint, Stephen 😂 These upgrades are more like a glaze coat in the right dimensions!
There are new oval shaped closet rods that are fantastic. I recently built a full walk in closet dressers, garment shelves and hanging space. Using the stainless oven shaped rods with the gunstock stained wood looks fantastic and no need for any middle support even on 6-8 foot spans(depending on weight). The new innovations are amazing.
You're absolutely correct. I've been using and replacing wooden closet rods with metal for 40 years, since before they came painted in colors. Wooden rods wear and sag.
Also, hard wood rod / dowel is incredibly expensive (North East). Where I live, even soft wood dowel is expensive. Exotic hardwoods are insane right now, $50 and up for 8'.
I had an oddly long closet to span while renovating my basement. It was over 9' and a heavy steel tube cost me $25 (thick walled, welded tube). I built the end supports into the structure of my built-in closet shelves with one steel support at the mid point and then tested dynamic load at around 300 lb (two of us swinging like goof balls). I over built it because in have zero faith in my family members being gentle on anything. Being annoyed by the typical tinniness of the tubing I stuffed pipe insulation inside and filled the gaps with left over spraycan foam insulation. Almost silent and very satisfying.
If you live near a scrap yard, just about any strong tube will work if you don't mind the look or finishing the tubing yourself. I've used ENT, galvanized fencing but I find gas tubing a bit too heavy for purpose and its surface finish is not as smooth as other types of tubing. Best yet, recycling tubing is cost effective or free.
That’s an Olympic strength rod for sure, Alapino! 😆
I’ve had wooden rods in my house for 70 years. What should I change them out for metal rods?
70 year old wood cut for a closet rod is probably pretty high quality. If they still work, you don't change them. But people who buy a house that's less than 25 years old are going to find that wooden rods will sag, or already do. And metal is a better, cheaper replacement.
Have to disagree with you on this one. IMO, a good hard-wood rod looks much nicer than metal, especially if a dark wood or stained dark. I agree that I would not span 6 feet with wood, but just as you mentioned using an interim support for metal rods over 6 feet, I would use interim support for wood rods over 4 feet. And, IME, people really don't slide their hangers from side to side all that often.
I agree with your span calculation there, Howard. It’s more preference at that point 👍
I think Howard just admitted to never doing the laundry. 😂
I am a wood freak, I will choose wood over anything in most cases and there's no question it 'looks' nicer. But HC's points are very valid. I have an 8' wide closet with the entry door offset to one side (not the center) + 2 small closets with the 'rod' running perpendicular to 'me' ... you can believe I SLIDE hangers 9 out of 10X I open a closet, sometimes extensively, multipleX/day. And with that .... I now realize a silent, constant annoyance in my daily domestic life that warrants a modification project, to be excised for ever!
@@DemPilafian I wish, but as a bachelor for the last 30 or so years I do my own laundry. Now hanging it up after it comes out of the dryer -- that's another matter. But in all seriousness, for example, I have a section for dress shirts/slacks -- the vast majority of activity is hanging them up ONCE each time I wear one. I am not sliding shirts/slacks back and forth constantly.
By that logic, you could just use PVC and just put support structures every foot.
Oh no a sagging closet rod... What will my friends think of me
I like that you keep advice short, simple, and functional...even for stuff that folks don't think about. At some home supply stores, the same curtain rod is more expensive than the closet rods of the same length, so look around within the same store.
Are the metal closet rods aluminum or stainless steel?
I made a curtain rod from a 2x4 just to see how it would work. Spoiler alert: it's just as bad as a closet rod. I like the look though.
Use what you’ve got in a pinch, Franz! 😁 I’ve actually seen similar things used on shabby chic design projects. It can be done attractively.
Me? I was thinking of ABS. Or a log.
Kidding!
I’m about to install a closet rod. Was going to be metal, sir. 👍
Ticketed carpenter here. Your video on where the carpenters have gone has been shared far and wide. Thanks.
Thank you, Herman! That one was cathartic. It’s always meant a lot to me that so many carpenters and tradespeople wrote in with their personal stories. 🙂
@@TheHonestCarpenter Am thinking of starting a website for tradespeople that reviews employers. There’s so many criminal employers in construction out there that it’s desperately needed. I’d probably be sued clean into next week by unscrupulous types, but it’s necessary.
A for what it's worth comment. We had to take down some chain link fencing and I cut some of the top rails and used them as clothing rods. Including one that was a full six foot long without any sagging. I get the impression that even buying the top rails new may be cheaper than the metal clothes rods, although in my case they were free so definitely cheaper and stronger.
Interesting I had no idea metal closet rods even existed. Back 40+ years ago when we built our house I used EMT (electrical conduit) in all our closets. Additionally use metal rather then plastic rod holders. Plastic gets brittle over time dumping your clothes and the closet rod on the floor.
You are not supposed to bend the tape. You just add the size of the base to your measurement
Excellent!
Wood looks better.
At first, Rafal. But they darken and stain with dust and friction, and almost always bow within the first year. They just wind up looking terrible at that point. 😐
@@TheHonestCarpenter I wonder what sort of closet rods you've seen and if it's just newer ones being crap. Never seen a bowing wood closet rod, never had any trouble with them, all in houses from the 60s and before. And they all look perfectly fine like any other wood trim in the house. Has the quality just gone to crap recently or something?
Personal opinion. I built out and entire closet for a client in birch ply and they wanted wooden rods to go with the wood look. I think the white metal ones look cheap and chrome is gross. The only good alternative is the black. Also hangers that aren’t cheap plastic hangers slide better. But I get what you’re saying.
Use Electrical EMT it's cheaper and stronger.
Ethan! You're a carpenter, I thought you were a wood guy! How could you?
Wood is deceptive above all things, Jay 😂
Ever since I was a kid we used galvanized water pipe, never had a problem, and those rods were packed tightly with clothes.
I'm with you on this one, The Metal Rods in my closet have held up for about 10 Years. In fact if you mount the frame of the rods to a stud in the wall that rod will feel like it could hold up a Tank. 👷🏿♂️
It probably could, W! 😆
Funny, because the wooden rods in my closets are doing just dandy after 40 years. This is a non-issue.
@@TheHonestCarpenter I have a closet rod made from galvanized pipe, & it's strong as an ox... my kids played on it for years, & now the next generation (my grandkids) are doing the same~ LOL!
@monkeygraborange yea I'm not agreeing with the whole tin metal rod being stronger than the wooden rod. It takes long to saw through the wooden rod, than the metal rod due to thickness. I trust thickness, not the thin metal rod. For years, when the wooden rod would bow, we would just rotate the rod 180 degrees lol. Team WR here.
I use chain link fence top pipe it's galvanized
What about PVC?
I totally agree on most of your findings, but one area I think wood rods excel on is they look better in custom wood closets. It may just be me, but the look of metal (painted or chrome), in a wood trimmed closet just does not go. In a standard house painted closet, I love the metal rods and switched mine over to the white painted ones. All my wood rods had sagged over their 25+ year lives... and were all scratched up.
I love wood for a lot of things, but I'm also a huge fan of function. It's more expensive than it was a couple of years ago, but I've been using 1' or 1 1/4" EMT conduit for a long time. The only weight limit is what the end supports can handle. The heavy duty 1 1/2' sockets claim to be good for 500 pounds, so what you screw them to is probably the weak spot.
How do you feel about black plumbing type pipe? I've got a bit of that industrial aesthetic in my house, so I was thinking of going with this in my closet. It also gives me the option of putting some short pipes for hats, scarves, bags, etc on the wall where the door is where there isn't enough room for another closet rod. 😀
Black gas pipe is my favorite. I been using it for years in my own home.
Last couple of houses I did I used thick wall 1 in PVC with the screws in right and you can't see the printing a lot cheaper than closet rod metal or otherwise
I'm gonna guess this is a problem with the wood being used... I mean, I've seen wooden rods that would never bow or get out of shape, with finishes that wouldn't get all scuffed and marred overtime - but those certainly weren't your average mass produced hardware shop wooden closet rods. Nowadays I guess it's just easier to get the metal rod, unless you really have a need for it to be wood, which then it seems the advice would be to not get the hardware shop mass produced type.
Oh, another good thing about metal rods - you can get them in non-rod shape. xD I mean, pure design choice I guess, but I've also seen square and rectangular with rounded corner models... those would definitely not work well with wood. Anyways, great tip!
Just curious, but why not cut the rod with a pipe cutter? These are really cheap and you get a nice straight cut without even trying. Better still, it's silent.
That works quite well. But cheap they are not, if you want one that works!
Glad that we used metal in our closets. They had metal wire racks installed already so we just used a metal kit and attached to them. Thanks for sharing, Ethan!
If you install wooden rods with the wood grain perpendicular to the floor, you will never have problems with them. Too many carpenters ignore mentioning about wood grain and the sagging issue.
I add plastic shower rod cover over wood. Rods --
Thanks for your video . Question, when using a metal rod that will be going into the side wall of the closet then meeting in the middle connecting to a center pressed wood wardrobe, is it OK to just mount the closet rod to the side of the wardrobe or is a wood piece needed then attach the mount? Rod will only be about 55in across
I have a house built back in the 50's and all the closets have metal rods. We have been here 60 years and never a problem.
Agree 100%. Wooden closet rods sag so bad in a short time. So do the metal 2 piece ones! You didn't mention those. They are bad. Oddly enough, I recycle old hockey sticks for my kids closet rods. It looks cool and is as slick as metal and stronger. :) You can chin up on them!
Mine works for me in a strange way. The paint on it gives the hangers a grip on the rod so you need to push to make good room but it also works your arms out 😄 I guess I see it in a glass half full sort of way.
A decent way to get your reps in, Ederd 💪 It only drives me crazy when they’re in a closet so small you can’t get your elbows inside without smashing them!
Finish carpenter here with some critiques
#1 the support brackets are even more useful for holding up the shelf than even the closet rod. I still add supports for everything over 3.5 ft span and switching to metal wouldn't change that.
#2 unless you're a retail store sliding hangers horizontally is not particularly useful. I already know what all my shirts look like.
#3 while I do agree that painted wood doesn't look great I would never call the raw wood look cheap. That's completely subjective 😂 they're both good looking products.
Since those are the 3 main arguments I'd have to say it's more of a tie with wood being cheaper. Of course, overstating it gets more comments...😂
How is it that you always know what I need to know about? Not like I've typed anything into a search bar that tells you. Yet, here you are, with exactly what I need to know about. Do you have a small camera somewhere in my office? This is creepy. Lol
a *hack saw,* GOT IT! this has been bothering me, not knowing how to approach this..... i have an angle grinder from my dad but the box tells you NOTHING. like what the heck can you use it on then??
I have used these rods for awhile now. Also, as my shower curtain rod. I have textured walls and the usual tension rods do not hold up. It looks high end and sturdy and I have no worries of the rod falling down. I use the grommet style curtains, fits perfectly. Best if all, you don't have the overlapping joint so the curtain slides smoothly and doesn't catch when opening or closing. Enjoy watching your videos.
Bonus points if you just drill holes in the side pieces of the closet, rather than using ugly mounting hardware.
It’s actually not like an arch. It’s more like an I beam. All it’s mass is located “far”from it’s bending axis which makes it more resistant to bending.
Love your channel. Innocent mistake.
That’s a NO for me.....Especially when they’re the craptastic telescoping type.
Fail-city...especially in women’s closet.
I don’t like adjustable rods either if I can avoid them Casmige…but one-piece metal rods are just the best all-around 😬
yeah metal rods are stronger... but metal will RUST (especially in an area prone to having moisture in the air - window, bathroom, etc)... and if that rust contacts clothes or curtains, good luck with the rust stains... I'd rather deal with the wood sagging as opposed to rust spreading like a wild fire
I disagree. The best closet rod is a PVC pipe with a metal rod inside (for support). You can sand the pvc pipe up to 220 or so and hangars slide effortlessly. They will outlast metal and always look good.
3:30 I feel like these shots kind of prove a lot of what youve been saying wrong. How much better is the longevity if they're looking that gnarly after a while? My wood rod is atleast 20 years old and it looks good as new. Ive never even thought about the sliding being a problem either, ive been using a clothing rack to store my clothes and the metal is nothing special. Not many people even have enough room to slide their hanger down the rod. I mean we all definitely have our difference of opinion on style and feel but the longevity is questionable.
Hi. Can I install it without the wood plates, I’m thinking to use 50 pound anchors on each hole, on dry wall. Please let me know. Thanks 🙏
Disagree. As a trim carpenter all custom trim houses get wood rods and they look better IMO...and over the years the paint starts chipping on metal. Just my opinion.
The wood example you showed has a support mid way, just like the one you suggested for the metal rod. This video is basically a 5 minute commercial.
Interesting to hear your opinion and reasons for it, also to read many comments saying they felt the same or had never seen or heard of wood closet rods. My experience is the opposite, I've never seen or heard of metal rods except the ones that are more like wire with the shelf attached. I guess I've always lived in older homes built in 50-70's with unpainted wood rods. Like a lot of things, it's often what's familiar that is what you prefer... except wood paneling, harvest gold and avocado green appliances from the late 60-early 70's! 😜😏
Very similar to my experience, Robin! 😄
once you have a closet where they sag, that's where the strong preference comes in. if installed to where it has enough support for the usage, it wouldn't matter much.
i rented a place where much weight at all would sag it like a motherfkkr. :/ it was SO vexing. could also be that there are different qualities of wood used. i can imagine a hardwood rod would work better, less flex.
wooden rod is easier to work with (cutting, sanding, re-painting), metal rods are too heavy they rust and smelly in humid weather, the paint comes off after a while, basically they feel unnatural
what if I want to replace a long wooden rod. It's 126" across, there are a few support brackets but the wood is one solid piece. How can I 'connect' two metal rods to fill that length?
Seems very opinionated about this topic. I have nothing against metal closet rods if you like that appearance. I admit I have never seen a closet with metal rods. But the idea that wooden closet rods are so awful is nonsense. I've seen and used many closets with wooden rods and never encountered any of the supposed negatives.
HACK SAW? WHAT A PAIN. METAL SHAVINGS EVERYWHERE. STICKING TO QUICK AND EASY WOODEN RODS.
I might agree with you except I live near the ocean where rust is super common problem. So I will stick with wood.
I once built a shelf in my old closet with the wooden version total cost I think was around 150. But it was neat and clean and held all the weight of the hanging clothes and items stored on slef above. This was a number of years ago and didn't even know about these then. Now I do....thanks
I have been trying to install the metal bar and I didn't like all the play in the holders. but I see yours do to I might drill a hole in the one like one had just for added protection. I even try a reducer but none of them fit.
People need to just pay me to style their houses. I have a sick idea, with angle iron, round stock, sheet metal, etc
We would never considered wooden rods in South Africa as they are more expensive than metal rods.
👍👍 I recently remodeled our closets and replaced all wooden rods with steel ones! I did not put the middle support in to see if they bend too much. So far not much bend; although it is a 5 ft wide closet. I made the supports since I was also replacing the shelf.
Duluth Trading shirt at 2:05. Nice “blue collar” selection! 😎
All my collars are blue, familyman! 😂
For a cheaper and even stronger option, buy electrical conduit.
This video is funny because that is what I did in my closet because the wooden one I had snapped in half
I'm sorry, Canada here. I have never even seen a wooden closet rod before.... they've all been metal everywhere.
i rented at a place that had wood rods and *vowed never to have one again*
now the trick is cutting the metal ones tho.... :?
Hey, explain this one to me: my grandparents had wooden closet rods that never bent under the wright of the clothes, and didn't sag even when my cousin and I would hang off of them. One of their closets/rods was at least 6 or 7 feet long and they'd all been there since the mid 1960s.... why so different to today's wooden rods?
Those things are defying the odds, Princezz! 😆 I’d say they definitely aren’t todays pine/spruce/fir. Maybe a real hardwood, hickory or something, with burly dimensions. They can stay!
Millennial Wood: it just fucking sucks and ain’t worth a fuck.
Wood back in the day (like the people) were more tougher & resilient.
@@TheHonestCarpenter Helping my grandparents renovate a while back I noticed their (original to the house, ~120 years old) dowels were solid oak and something else that was very hard and silvery grey. I had some dowel stock that was Ash and very dense, sat around because it was too small in diameter to turn into a half. Everything on racks now is softwood and what is available in hardwood is incredibly expensive.
Same with the wood rods in the closets of my old 1955 house. I think the key is wood quality and selection. Old growth lumber with tight annual growth rings is superior in strength and watching grain direction to avoid runout are both big factors. Modern lumber is inferior (fast growth = wide growth rings and weak wood) while high-production modern manufacturing can't be bothered to watch out for grain runout.
I bought an old fishing cabin, circa 1950, to renovate. Whenever I needed to attach anything to a stud I first had to drill a hole the size of the nail's shank. Impossible to use drywall screws, they'd snap off half way in. I am told the lumber is white oak that was air dried. After all those years it turned gray and was hard as a rock.
metal is so heavy though. use carbon fiber tubing!
What but what do you do if a person is a closet rod?
I replace with a piece of galvanized pipe,will support a literal ton
Can you bend the metal rods to round off the corners and make full use of small closet?
I'm glad we had this discussion.
All of my hangars have metal hooks. Seems like they’d be very loud sliding along a metal rod. I know my shower curtain hooks made really shrill sound on the metal shower rod. I had to put a PVC wrap on it, because the sound terrified my daughter when she was little.
Metal oval rods are even better. I beam strength and very classy.
Ummm I actually like wooden rods 🤔🤔
I have 6 foot closets with wooden rods that are original from 1962. No bending or drooping. I wonder if the new ones are cheaper.
I used white PVC pipe. Although not aesthetic to look at, but cheap and very durable.
Something round doesn't come in a "thickness" as this dolt suggests. They come in a diameter. Which was clearly shown on the packaging had this guy bothered to read.
Aww, you big old grump ❤️😜
I’ve never even seen a wooden closet rod.
my closet has a thin two part metal rod that has bent under the weight of whoever's clothing was hung before I bought it. This led me to believe that metal rods are weaker than wood. I guess they just put a thin crappy rod in place with no center support. I dont like wooden rods either though because they do sag with time and end up falling out of the supports becuase the curve makes it shorter. Thanks for explaining, I guess new rods are thicker and one piece instead of two. Maybe I'll go ahead and replace this bent up rod after all.
What about the oval system as opposed to the round system?
I was surprised to see you bend the tape measure when any decent tape measure has the measurement from the front to back of it imprinted so you can just put the back of the tape to the other wall.
We recently moved into a new apartment and the closet here had that fat, wooden closet rod. None of our clothes hangers could fit around that thing. I removed it and put in a metal one, with a smaller diameter. It looks better, and it's actually useful.
So much better, John!
I completely agree, but I don't recommend the painted metal rods. Stainless or chrome or something is better because metal hangers can scratch off paint, which is unsightly.
Makes a lot of since...Thanks once again !!!!
We just went with a length of steel pipe. Make is schedule 40 and you are good to go!
Sangat bagus👍
Never thought of the paper trick for a straight line around a rounded object. It makes perfect sense. Thanks!
Can’t remember where I learned that Marvin, but it’s helped in a hundred situations 😁
If you have one it would be much better to cut it with a tubing cutter. That way you get a nice perfectly straight cut with no sharp edges
Don't worry about centering the support, if the studs in the wall aren't there, use two to the pair next closest, or put a stringer in, nobody but the user has business in the closet anyway, better a solid hang than a symmetric install.