Fuel burn comparison back to back, same wing and flying circuit/style. Comparison of EGT and CHT between EFI and carb. Fresh spark plug in each and then examination after running each.
High altitude performance test, test the climb rate as high as you're comfortable with a regular moster, then test climb rate at the same altitude with the efi
test the battery, specially on low temperatures, and pressures, you can use use your refrigerator for the initial case, and and ice bags around it on this summer. You can test how rainproof is the system. Adding electronics to the para-motor is a great start for tons of fun. Now the the autopilot and the auto landing and taking off are very close.
I'd like to see how much, if there is any; stray electrical noise to interfere with radio comms on the EFI version. Both 2M and PMR, or your local equivalent. Thanks.
When snowmobiles started using EFI it changed everything for the better. Same thing for personal watercraft. Paramotors and ultralights are a natural progression.
The first 50ccm scooters with injection were really bad at the beginning (purejet/ditech) sadly, always problems and very expensive spare parts. Most failure was not the injection itself but the pressure/fuel pump, it had a plastic piston inside which always broke under 5000 km..
Tucker, you should fly it from ground to a high altitude (like above 10,000 feet). Interesting for people to see the EFI adjusting to altitude changes, in real-time.
I think a fuel efficiency test over a longer distance would be nice. Maybe you could revisit your idea of flying across Florida since you should have better efficiency.
That would be sick! I'm training at aviator PPG literally right now, tucker coming by would be awesome! It wouldn't happen right now though, the conditions are really only flyable in the morning, so not likely to happen in the few weeks he has it
As an older pilot the idea of a start process that does not take 50% of my initial energy is great. Was already thinking of swapping out to e_start but would wait for this.
Hey Tuck... Nothing looks better than seeing you up there above all the troubles of the world.... You are always at your best when I see you in a "sky seat" fuel injected or gravity feed fuel ... Love you man !!!!
Its crazy, on that first climb it sounds totally different than any other engine I have heard, you can hear how smooth it runs. The Toyota of paramotors :D
Absolutely test the fuel economy! I had a 1992 Polaris 500 with EFI. It was incredible. No cold start issues, ran perfect at all temps and fuel economy was amazing but not 30% better. Maybe 5-10.
Kinda strange that they didn't include a stator to keep the battery charged like is the norm on motorcycles and other powersports engines. Must be a weight saving reason.
I would not want to charge a lithium battery on me while in the air and depending on said battery to run the engine. Just carry an extra battery. A lithium battery has to be charged gently for lack of better words. A stator will vary voltage with the RPMs and would be impossible to safely charge a lithium battery dependably.
@@TuckerGott I don't paramotor, but if it has a barometer for altitude correction couldn't it theoretically turn off the safety when it's at altitude? Like it reads the barometer when you plug it in and calls that "ground" and then it should know when you are in the sky? Little MEMS barometers have some pretty crazy resolution...
@@pontiacg445should already have a mass airflow sensor which will give you all the info you would need to know if you were at altitude or not it like this idea and another thing I was thinking why not wireless throttle as well with cruise control
My opinion as a mechanic is this is a great think for the guy who can't figure out a carb and for those who want more info/data (live data) to keep track on engine health an catch a issue before hand. Also I think they should make the computer have a recorder function with a sd card so you can dumb data from flights just like in a airplane as a tool to check somthing that happen mid flight or if a accident happens etc.. For EXAMPLE it would be another tool to find out why a pilot had a accident or if you notice at 8,000 ft it starts getting hot an the data may show a lean issue creating heat an wear on the engine so now you can fix before it ruins something. YES, THOSE ARE JUST EXAMPLES^ BUT.. If you could connect with you phone to have the data recorded alongside the avionics so you could see what happened at what part during a flight along with the speed & altitude plus gps data. Much like garmins features allows us to do in small planes. I think that's something alot of people would want the option of having and would also make these appeal more to the mass thus boosting sales for the company. Also Tucker the performance boost you didn't notice in the power area aside from smother power without a jumping power band, will be somthing more noticeable when going to the mountain's an haveing high alt take offs plus places with super dry or humid spots, an those who just like to go really high anywhere like 8k ft or higher I think the efi would show a better power performance boost over the standard carb in those situations, so like you said for the guy chasing a dragster like power , no this isn't it (although efi an mods can make great power easy) but the ease of use with auto tuning an haveing a constant air fuel ratio that the engine likes keeping it happy with peak performance in all conditions is where this thing will shine, not to mention the fuel savings. With the air fuel ratio been better controlled an kept in a near perfect ratio from the efi will not old smooth the power out an save fuel but it will keep you from running lean if your tuned for high alt then drow down to sea level, which will help the engine last alot long, need less work when doing maintenance an should greatly extend the life of the head rings exhaust etc because we know 2 strokes need more maintenance checks or you can ruin the job or rings plus the need top end replacement from time to time due to the nature of the engine. Efi should help greatly to keep those who aren't very mechanical an ruin pistons from trying to tune a engine or run lean because they aren't sure what they are doing. I love paramotors even though I don't fly, they are a awsome show of mechanical engineering an these are my opinions so please don't attack me with comments. But I would like to hear what you guys have to day about what I have tryed to talk about in this comment. Thanks, hope all is well for any readers!!!
Hey Tucker, I recently purchased a Parajet Maverick with moster 185 and an Ozone Kona 27m and have been in training for the last few weeks here in Wisconsin. Just wanted to say thank you for inspiring me to get into the sport. I discovered your videos a little over a month ago and dove head first into this. I’m hoping to have my first flight within a week and am so excited. Also, I’m thinking having the powerband come in on the carb version sort of adds to the excitement factor. The efi might get a bit boring with how smooth the power is.
Yes! This is a game changer. I almost went electric, except for the increased weight and limited flight time. EFI addresses both those issues being more efficient, less fuel - less weight, and lower idle means quieter on descent. Im rethinking my decision. Thanks Tucker! Great flight and review. I still would like to see you do a current electric review of the OPEN PPG, SPG140, please sir, and compare the two current standards? 👍🏻✌🏼😎 🪂
Got to take a close look at the one that Neil from Aviator Paramotor had at Jersey Shore for this weekend's Aurora Fly-In. I would love to see a Bluetooth app that runs on your phone instead of that console. Perhaps that will come at some point in the future.
This is FANTASTIC! I started driving when cars all used carburetors, cold weather starting was stressful all through winter. I tell my kids how each car had its unique startup ritual: Choke out full, two pumps of the accelerator then open the throttle such a small amount you can only barely feel the accelerator. Turn the key whine whine whine pop, splutter again again again each time is closer to a flat battery and ringing the boss putting your job on the line. Then choke in full throttle in-case you flooded it. I hated this so much, then EFI came queue the angel music 🎶🎵🎶 Decades later I still get a kick out of starting cars first time every time, EFI is wonderful and I will be one of their early customer 😎👍
Great video Tucker. This information along with other sources convinced me to get one. This morning I sent my deposit and I'm officially in the queue. It's going on a Scout Carbon 1 and will hopefully get delivered by mid March. Thanks again, I hope all is going well for you in Arizona
Excellent demo Tucker! We all appreciate all you do for this sport. EFI sounds good. Maybe incorporate a disengage switch for the 4 second safety. Thanks again for all your informative and interesting videos. Also thank you again for talking to me about paramotoring at Lake Wales. You are awesome! Fly safe my friend.
Im so stoked it has an EGT sensor to control the mixture. I had Aviator's experimental 2019 EFI kit and it couldn't detect when running too hot so it melted a few pistons.
Also it's annoying that you're hitting 670C EGT and not even max rpms because Vitto says 650 is the max on their FAQ. I have an EGT sensor and my carbureted unit hits like 700C max.
I kind of get it, but also ask myself whether there are really circumstances where you would restart the engine when you're THAT low? If you're low enough for those seconds to be an issue, wouldn't you also probably be too low to even attempt a restart, since if the engine stops uncommanded, why would you assume it even restarts at all? I would have thought in that case you should be busy getting the best glide and just land, not busy attempting a restart that may or may not work.
Realistically you shouldn't put yourself in a position where if your motor dies 4-6 seconds is all you have before a crash or any other problem occurs. It's not like previously a motor dying would be restarted in four seconds. Personally I'd say that is a non issue.
I wish there was a way to program it to disable that feature when you're in the air. The Scout had a similar safe start feature and there was a switch to disable it.
I think they should put a small generator in it to keep battery charged, then it could more easily be a long distance craft. I think fuel injection is the way to go otherwise.
I'm interested in a price comparison between this, and a conventional motor. You're right when you said you kind of need to be a mechanic to fly paramotor, and that will scare some people away. If Depending on how much more this is i can see people gravitating toward it just because it's more simple to use.
That's pretty wild! I knew someone was going to go EFI eventually, since we now have chainsaws & lawn tractors with it, and have for at least a couple years now. I'm of the same mindset, especially having turned wrenches almost my entire life, 14 years professionally - I like simplicity, too. I also like, or rather, DEMAND reliability. EFI is fantastic ... when it works! When you have issues, troubleshooting becomes a bit more involved. That said, back in 2005 I bought a Polaris Sportsman 800 EFI. They used Bosch components for the FI system, thank God. I was very skeptical of EFI on an ATV, given the abuse they see, but over 14 years of ownership, I never had one issue! The mixture did start trending on the rich side with age, since there was no o2 sensor, which bothered me a bit. Too rich = lost power. Not having an easy way of diagnosing that, I just dealt with it. That's the unfortunate part. You can't really tinker. You're left with firing the parts cannon ($$$) and hoping that fixes something. Not the way I like to troubleshoot! I would LOVE LOVE LOVE an electronically adjustable fuel mixture, with EGT's to monitor your changes! That would be GREAT! You could have 2 settings - general, which will keep you from going too far in either direction, and expert, for guys like me who want to experiment for max power, or efficiency. But all in all, this looks promising. Time will tell how robust this system is. That's the problem with new electronics - they've got to be tested in the general public with all kinds of scenarios that engineers can't really duplicate. Then the bugs will reveal themselves. But for a "right-out-of-the-gate" presentation, Vitorazzi hit it right out of the park! Definitely a well-done first iteration!! Thanks for the vid, Tucker - much appreciated as always. Informative, AND fun!! 👍👍
We are super impressed too, especially with the thought, care and engineering Vittorazi have put into the EFI which they have been testing since 2019. Having visited their factory multiple times in recent months on this project, we think that they have nailed it.
Every 2 stroke has powerband but that efi smoothens it out so its not that noticeable. And if u let 2 stroke idle too long it will bog and u need to rev it to clear it up and its because ur jetting is too rich so what it means is its giving too much fuel on idle or ur mixture is too rich.
I think the big drain on the battery will be trying to keep the rack pressurized. A full battery every time might be for the better. Nice to see this progress, it is the future. Look at trucks and cars. Pax.
ABOUT TIME!!! This is a no brainer. Why isn't EVERYTHING EFI in this day and time? I would chose EFI over carb in all applications anytime. Almost no chance of a fouled plug. The little bit of extra weight and in my opinion, any extra cost is WELL worth it! As Always, May God Bless you and yours! 😇
Man, do an icarus type cross country with that motor. Or a solid long delicious food run, sushi. Steak, seafood dinner...... at a place you haven't been too yet... even another fly to a spot to camp video now that you have the proper parameter camping set up.... good stuff. Keep up the fun videos.
I can tell just by hearing that engine how smooth it is. No loading. Nice, even power increase from idle up. At full throttle it sounds so "full". Looks like you found a winner. Your pillow is going to be damp when you have to give it back!! 😭😢😉🪂💺
That's a pretty cool opportunity. They'll get a lot of feedback from you and your friends. EFI is quite an improvement. It'll be fun to see what you come up with.
Hey, i do have to say this, this is not the first fuel injecting motor (it is for footlaunch i think) but at home we have a flanders tandem trike, it also uses fuel injection with a pump! Good video so far nonetheless tho!
About time. A couple years ago I bought my first EFI motorcycle, and wow. I'm glad for the years I spent learning and self maintaining traditional carburetor engines, but having a reliable push button start and trouble free smooth operation is great. However, should something go wrong, the troubleshooting process will likely be more complicated.
I like that Vittorazi is trying new innovations. But I think it is too complicated. Have to have an on board battery that will eventually need replacing, have a computer and screen that probably costs a fortune, have to take care of the injectors and they might clog up. And that 4 second feature seems to be a pita. Like you mentioned, cross country fliers might like having a computer screen to better plan routs. I love fuel injection in cars, I hate direct injection. But here I am with a GDI engine in my car.
There's a company out of Atlanta. That has been testing these types of engines. The only problem they have had is the computer at high altitude. The cold seems to screw with the computer. And sends out multiple error codes. And its not like tou have a manual with you. Beyond that its the next Gen. when the price drops. Not for sale yet also.
I'm glad the tech is catching up to cars. My 2007 has a dot matrix display like that, with fuel economy rates. New ones now have an LCD touch screen. So that's coming next.
Hey tucker, can you please use metric system? (Maybe some subtitle-like annotations)The numbers you give means nothing for me, and I'm really interested in the technical specs. Great video as always!
10,000 feet and above is the point where supplemental oxygen starts to be required because you will eventually fall unconscious due to hypoxia and then die shortly after. falling unconscious will occur within a specific amount of time that depends on your altitude which progressively becomes shorter and shorter as you get higher and higher. without any supplemental oxygen at 20,000 to 25,000 feet, a person will fall unconscious within 30 to 45 seconds with brain death occurring after 4 to 6 minutes.
Love your videos Tucker! Ive been watching yiur videos for a while and actually know one of your friends that yiu showed in an old video :) He lets me use his one weel that he used to be a dealer for every time he would come to one of our Powered Parachute/Paramoter flyins
We've done that. As Tucker says, it's similar power to the Moster 185 - but way smoother and way more user friendly. we hope to post some test videos on out channel about this soon.
I need that backpack for my paddleboard . Ok you got me , it's not a paddleboard it's an air-mattress but I still need a way of propeling it through water , that's the only way other than paddles which I'll only use paddles in emergencies ; there is no way of mounting a motor to an air-mattress . Actually , could mount that backpack to a Jon boat or if i really wanted to be able to hop seperate bodies of water , throw an hot air balloon or two into the concoction or use an rigid wing , lol .
Seems they could add a little more to that Battery pack to get more run time between charges or just to have a safety buffer if you're planning a 3-4 hour flight.
Tucker I remember years ago You flew across some fields I think you landed in a fast food place I was late in the day if I can remember I remember as soon as I saw your young picture. I could be wrong
I love that they are doing more with the engines but they can't even get the plastic airbox problems right yet. Looks cool but for a days flying id need multiple batteries. Not sure it's worth it yet
Great review Tucker! The way you talk, you remind me of my older brother growing up in the 70s and 80s. We’d snowboard (snow stickin) and skate a lot. He and his friends used a lot of the “stoked” jargon and other words you use. I grew up wanting to be like him. You seem like a fun guy to be around. Anyway, it would be cool if you flew around your landing spot and did a few “dead stick” tests to see how accurate the fuel gauge/stats are. I’m interested in longevity too and how long it takes before some things begin to fail of course. Anyway, good stuff! Thanks!
OK, so a car has an alternator that charges up the battery. Is there no alternator on this motor that will keep the battery topped up? If not, why not? I'm very impressed with everything else that I see on it. I want to get into paramotoring and I think this would be a nice first investment. Ringo
@@error.418a yamaha yz125 stator is 400g. I bet everyone would happily take that little extra weight and not have to un plug and charge that battery EVERY SINGLE DAY. Imagine doing that to a car. It's just stupid
Below are four things that would be major points of concern. The first two are complete deal breakers for me. 1. The first is the 4 second delay with the throttle. I understand why they might have that in place while on the ground, but that could be deadly in the air during an emergency. There needs to be an override for when you're in the air. 2. No on board battery charger. The stator that provides current for the spark plug should have more than enough capacity to provide current for a battery charger. It seems all that would be needed would be a small step down transformer from the voltage regulator to match the output volts/amps of the charger. 3. Could they incorporate a redundant EFI module? When electronics fail they don't taper off. They die just like flipping an off switch. A redundant EFI would jack the price, but should at least be an option. 4. Have a redundant pull start.
You need to consider the possibilities. You are now equipped for power adders. Nitrous, turbo, supercharger, tuning for individual props, and timing changes. You won't have to stick with a set of tuning parameters ever again. I bet high altitude cruising is going to he a massive game changer. This is huge!
That's a pretty sweet rig! In the event the electronic ignition fails, do you still have pull-start capability as a backup? You could install a hard point for mounting a small tablet for navigation and air data on the left side. I like where that engine monitoring panel is located. Thanks for the video.
14:20 the safety feature for start with 4 seconds to allow you to use the throttle could be a bit concerning in an emergency situation where you need to turn on and throttle out immediately.
Pricing would obviously have to wait until they announce it proper, but it would be interesting to see how much it shares with the carbureted Moster in terms of parts.
with the efficiency of efi they can now put superchargers on the engines or turbos to get the better power bands while only losing what you gained with efi so same gas usage as carbeurator but mo powaaa
I'm on my first pgmi fuel injection motor bike. Fuel economy is great compared to carbs. Plus you get the right fueling for the conditions. At times more power too especially on cold days.
Last thought... Great flight engine more stable. I think more power could be had with more fueling and a good ECU. I'm sure a carbed engine goes through so much stress due to its limitations.
Hi, since you have this nice engine on test, could you try to challenge the world record of high alt flying in PPG, I know you get creative, O2 bottle etc… That would test the automatic mixture control …. Thanks for your work.
Went to school for engineering, and all my mind screams is “why are they still using exposed rotors?!” Guy invented a mini rocket engine for use with a flight suit recently. I just don’t get why some company doesn’t put a version of that off each side of a harness (just above waist height to hit center of mass), with a smaller wing and promptly run every other parameter company out of business. Edit:(yes I can think of a dozen problems off the bat as well, they just mostly seem simple to work around at first thought. Prolly wrong)
What test/videos would you like to see with the new Moster EFI? Also, one correction. The battery is expected to last 7 hours, not 5.
Fuel burn comparison back to back, same wing and flying circuit/style. Comparison of EGT and CHT between EFI and carb. Fresh spark plug in each and then examination after running each.
High altitude performance test, test the climb rate as high as you're comfortable with a regular moster, then test climb rate at the same altitude with the efi
test the battery, specially on low temperatures, and pressures, you can use use your refrigerator for the initial case, and and ice bags around it on this summer. You can test how rainproof is the system. Adding electronics to the para-motor is a great start for tons of fun. Now the the autopilot and the auto landing and taking off are very close.
I'd like to see how much, if there is any; stray electrical noise to interfere with radio comms on the EFI version. Both 2M and PMR, or your local equivalent. Thanks.
stick a turbo on it!!!!
When snowmobiles started using EFI it changed everything for the better.
Same thing for personal watercraft. Paramotors and ultralights are a natural progression.
Yet, General aviation aircraft are still flying around with carbs on certified single engine aircraft
The first 50ccm scooters with injection were really bad at the beginning (purejet/ditech) sadly, always problems and very expensive spare parts. Most failure was not the injection itself but the pressure/fuel pump, it had a plastic piston inside which always broke under 5000 km..
Stihl even has an EFI chainsaw that is powerful and efficient
@@chrisdaniel1339 do you think they can fuel inject these nuts?
Tucker, you should fly it from ground to a high altitude (like above 10,000 feet). Interesting for people to see the EFI adjusting to altitude changes, in real-time.
THIS!!
And then you strap a small supercharger on there for mo' powa babeh
This!
1:33
I think a fuel efficiency test over a longer distance would be nice. Maybe you could revisit your idea of flying across Florida since you should have better efficiency.
Neil @Aviator did fly across Florida. There is a RUclips video on the gas burn and mileage and hours of flying on the Aviator RUclips channel.
That would be sick! I'm training at aviator PPG literally right now, tucker coming by would be awesome! It wouldn't happen right now though, the conditions are really only flyable in the morning, so not likely to happen in the few weeks he has it
Definitely! He should go for it again.
But he would have to do it alone cause no one else has that motor
@@AdrianCuyubambaDiaz that's not true. There's one here in aviator PPG in Florida, so surely there's a few more out there
I'm all for EFI, but they need to add a tiny stator. Could allow them add 1 or 2 USB ports to the display too.
Reliability, safety and weight is probably the reason for it.
As an older pilot the idea of a start process that does not take 50% of my initial energy is great. Was already thinking of swapping out to e_start but would wait for this.
Hey Tuck... Nothing looks better than seeing you up there above all the troubles of the world.... You are always at your best when I see you in a "sky seat" fuel injected or gravity feed fuel ... Love you man !!!!
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Its crazy, on that first climb it sounds totally different than any other engine I have heard, you can hear how smooth it runs. The Toyota of paramotors :D
Part of that does have to do with the 2.87 reduction and the helix propeller. But also the fuel injection.
@@TuckerGottFrom where you have learnt paragliding?
Absolutely test the fuel economy! I had a 1992 Polaris 500 with EFI. It was incredible. No cold start issues, ran perfect at all temps and fuel economy was amazing but not 30% better. Maybe 5-10.
Kinda strange that they didn't include a stator to keep the battery charged like is the norm on motorcycles and other powersports engines. Must be a weight saving reason.
They mentioned weight above, but really a few magnets and a coil probably wouldn't weigh much. SHould be an option perhaps.
Or a small RAT
@@sandrainthesky1011 Maybe a mini wind turbine to help charging the battery?
@@driojali think i heard it somewhere wind turbine charger didn't efficient enough
I would not want to charge a lithium battery on me while in the air and depending on said battery to run the engine. Just carry an extra battery. A lithium battery has to be charged gently for lack of better words. A stator will vary voltage with the RPMs and would be impossible to safely charge a lithium battery dependably.
The 4 second restart feature is going to be a serious issue for someone that needs throttle right now.
Yeah, I'm unsure if there is a way to turn it on and off.
Yeah can you imagine an engine out and you fire the motor up just for it to quit when you give it throttle?
@@TuckerGott I don't paramotor, but if it has a barometer for altitude correction couldn't it theoretically turn off the safety when it's at altitude? Like it reads the barometer when you plug it in and calls that "ground" and then it should know when you are in the sky? Little MEMS barometers have some pretty crazy resolution...
Very bad indeed, should be optional...
@@pontiacg445should already have a mass airflow sensor which will give you all the info you would need to know if you were at altitude or not it like this idea and another thing I was thinking why not wireless throttle as well with cruise control
Tremendous development for the PPG world. How exciting! Thanks for the news video Tucker! 😁
Tucker Gott .. I can tell .... One of the nicest guys I wish I knew .... and wish some day I can get all I need to fly ..
This time next year, anything less than a 2024 Factory R with EFI, will be an antique! I love watching this sport evolve.
My opinion as a mechanic is this is a great think for the guy who can't figure out a carb and for those who want more info/data (live data) to keep track on engine health an catch a issue before hand.
Also I think they should make the computer have a recorder function with a sd card so you can dumb data from flights just like in a airplane as a tool to check somthing that happen mid flight or if a accident happens etc.. For EXAMPLE it would be another tool to find out why a pilot had a accident or if you notice at 8,000 ft it starts getting hot an the data may show a lean issue creating heat an wear on the engine so now you can fix before it ruins something.
YES, THOSE ARE JUST EXAMPLES^ BUT..
If you could connect with you phone to have the data recorded alongside the avionics so you could see what happened at what part during a flight along with the speed & altitude plus gps data. Much like garmins features allows us to do in small planes.
I think that's something alot of people would want the option of having and would also make these appeal more to the mass thus boosting sales for the company.
Also Tucker the performance boost you didn't notice in the power area aside from smother power without a jumping power band, will be somthing more noticeable when going to the mountain's an haveing high alt take offs plus places with super dry or humid spots, an those who just like to go really high anywhere like 8k ft or higher I think the efi would show a better power performance boost over the standard carb in those situations, so like you said for the guy chasing a dragster like power , no this isn't it (although efi an mods can make great power easy) but the ease of use with auto tuning an haveing a constant air fuel ratio that the engine likes keeping it happy with peak performance in all conditions is where this thing will shine, not to mention the fuel savings.
With the air fuel ratio been better controlled an kept in a near perfect ratio from the efi will not old smooth the power out an save fuel but it will keep you from running lean if your tuned for high alt then drow down to sea level, which will help the engine last alot long, need less work when doing maintenance an should greatly extend the life of the head rings exhaust etc because we know 2 strokes need more maintenance checks or you can ruin the job or rings plus the need top end replacement from time to time due to the nature of the engine. Efi should help greatly to keep those who aren't very mechanical an ruin pistons from trying to tune a engine or run lean because they aren't sure what they are doing.
I love paramotors even though I don't fly, they are a awsome show of mechanical engineering an these are my opinions so please don't attack me with comments. But I would like to hear what you guys have to day about what I have tryed to talk about in this comment. Thanks, hope all is well for any readers!!!
Hey Tucker, I recently purchased a Parajet Maverick with moster 185 and an Ozone Kona 27m and have been in training for the last few weeks here in Wisconsin. Just wanted to say thank you for inspiring me to get into the sport. I discovered your videos a little over a month ago and dove head first into this. I’m hoping to have my first flight within a week and am so excited. Also, I’m thinking having the powerband come in on the carb version sort of adds to the excitement factor. The efi might get a bit boring with how smooth the power is.
Seems like this might have been a real game changer for your cross-Florida flight.
Another great vid, Tucker! Thanks!
High altitude. Get a small bottle of oxygen and hit 20,000 feet Tucker. Own the record...
Yes! This is a game changer.
I almost went electric, except for the increased weight and limited flight time.
EFI addresses both those issues being more efficient, less fuel - less weight, and lower idle means quieter on descent.
Im rethinking my decision.
Thanks Tucker!
Great flight and review.
I still would like to see you do a current electric review of the OPEN PPG, SPG140, please sir, and compare the two current standards? 👍🏻✌🏼😎 🪂
Got to take a close look at the one that Neil from Aviator Paramotor had at Jersey Shore for this weekend's Aurora Fly-In. I would love to see a Bluetooth app that runs on your phone instead of that console. Perhaps that will come at some point in the future.
This is FANTASTIC! I started driving when cars all used carburetors, cold weather starting was stressful all through winter. I tell my kids how each car had its unique startup ritual: Choke out full, two pumps of the accelerator then open the throttle such a small amount you can only barely feel the accelerator. Turn the key whine whine whine pop, splutter again again again each time is closer to a flat battery and ringing the boss putting your job on the line. Then choke in full throttle in-case you flooded it. I hated this so much, then EFI came queue the angel music 🎶🎵🎶 Decades later I still get a kick out of starting cars first time every time, EFI is wonderful and I will be one of their early customer 😎👍
Tucker, pop over here to Devon in England & we will make a trippy video bro.
Now that you got EFI, you can probably add a mini NOS system or forced induction for additional power!! 🤣
Turbo charger
Procharger@@RyanGribble
@@MaddieGraffeo ummm no. A procharger requires more power to spin than a turbo charger due to the gear reduction.
You can't force air into a 2 stroke unless it has rotary intake and exhaust valves
Tucker I love orange so much🧡🧡 And the orange frame,S bar and propeller on that motor look awesome. I want one😂🧡 from Thailand
Game changer. I not mechanically inclined whatsoever. I think you will find more people getting involved in the sport.
Great video Tucker. This information along with other sources convinced me to get one. This morning I sent my deposit and I'm officially in the queue. It's going on a Scout Carbon 1 and will hopefully get delivered by mid March. Thanks again, I hope all is going well for you in Arizona
Excellent demo Tucker! We all appreciate all you do for this sport. EFI sounds good. Maybe incorporate a disengage switch for the 4 second safety. Thanks again for all your informative and interesting videos. Also thank you again for talking to me about paramotoring at Lake Wales. You are awesome! Fly safe my friend.
Im so stoked it has an EGT sensor to control the mixture. I had Aviator's experimental 2019 EFI kit and it couldn't detect when running too hot so it melted a few pistons.
Also it's annoying that you're hitting 670C EGT and not even max rpms because Vitto says 650 is the max on their FAQ. I have an EGT sensor and my carbureted unit hits like 700C max.
Cool! You get to play with all the great stuff.
I see that 4 sec restart feature being a real issue if flying low and you have a real engine out.
I agree. It comes from a good desire for safety, but there are better ways to ensure ground safety without sacrificing air safety.
I kind of get it, but also ask myself whether there are really circumstances where you would restart the engine when you're THAT low? If you're low enough for those seconds to be an issue, wouldn't you also probably be too low to even attempt a restart, since if the engine stops uncommanded, why would you assume it even restarts at all? I would have thought in that case you should be busy getting the best glide and just land, not busy attempting a restart that may or may not work.
@@ska042 it would be more of an inconvenience rather than safety issue
Realistically you shouldn't put yourself in a position where if your motor dies 4-6 seconds is all you have before a crash or any other problem occurs. It's not like previously a motor dying would be restarted in four seconds. Personally I'd say that is a non issue.
I wish there was a way to program it to disable that feature when you're in the air. The Scout had a similar safe start feature and there was a switch to disable it.
Sounds great. Super smooth with plenty of power👍
I've been futzing with my 185 Silent for hours and hours on my trike. Now I want to bin it and get that EFI!
I think they should put a small generator in it to keep battery charged, then it could more easily be a long distance craft. I think fuel injection is the way to go otherwise.
Exactly, a yamaha yz125 stator would do (400 grams)
This thing doesn't have a stator!?!? That'd be an idiotic design. I'm guessing it has one.
@@shawnd567it does not, when the battery dies so does the motor. You need to charge the battery before flight
I'm interested in a price comparison between this, and a conventional motor. You're right when you said you kind of need to be a mechanic to fly paramotor, and that will scare some people away. If Depending on how much more this is i can see people gravitating toward it just because it's more simple to use.
After watching a good many of your vids, I must say you have a pair of bowling balls down below. Awesome content, making me change my life path!
It’s been nice following this channel and their lovely channels, Great concept!
I’d love to know you better Rob, thats only if you dont mind cos you seem to be a very nice person with a great sense of humor
Someone send tucker an electric demo. I’m sure they both will be competing for the same market in 5 years.
14:44 That was hilarious 😂
That's pretty wild! I knew someone was going to go EFI eventually, since we now have chainsaws & lawn tractors with it, and have for at least a couple years now.
I'm of the same mindset, especially having turned wrenches almost my entire life, 14 years professionally - I like simplicity, too. I also like, or rather, DEMAND reliability. EFI is fantastic ... when it works! When you have issues, troubleshooting becomes a bit more involved. That said, back in 2005 I bought a Polaris Sportsman 800 EFI. They used Bosch components for the FI system, thank God. I was very skeptical of EFI on an ATV, given the abuse they see, but over 14 years of ownership, I never had one issue! The mixture did start trending on the rich side with age, since there was no o2 sensor, which bothered me a bit. Too rich = lost power. Not having an easy way of diagnosing that, I just dealt with it. That's the unfortunate part. You can't really tinker. You're left with firing the parts cannon ($$$) and hoping that fixes something. Not the way I like to troubleshoot! I would LOVE LOVE LOVE an electronically adjustable fuel mixture, with EGT's to monitor your changes! That would be GREAT! You could have 2 settings - general, which will keep you from going too far in either direction, and expert, for guys like me who want to experiment for max power, or efficiency.
But all in all, this looks promising. Time will tell how robust this system is. That's the problem with new electronics - they've got to be tested in the general public with all kinds of scenarios that engineers can't really duplicate. Then the bugs will reveal themselves. But for a "right-out-of-the-gate" presentation, Vitorazzi hit it right out of the park! Definitely a well-done first iteration!!
Thanks for the vid, Tucker - much appreciated as always. Informative, AND fun!! 👍👍
We are super impressed too, especially with the thought, care and engineering Vittorazi have put into the EFI which they have been testing since 2019. Having visited their factory multiple times in recent months on this project, we think that they have nailed it.
Surprised they haven't figured a way to use the starter motor as a generator to charge the battery, so no additional weight.
That looks like so much fun
Big question will be repair and maintenance costs and feasibility.
Every 2 stroke has powerband but that efi smoothens it out so its not that noticeable. And if u let 2 stroke idle too long it will bog and u need to rev it to clear it up and its because ur jetting is too rich so what it means is its giving too much fuel on idle or ur mixture is too rich.
I think the big drain on the battery will be trying to keep the rack pressurized. A full battery every time might be for the better. Nice to see this progress, it is the future. Look at trucks and cars. Pax.
ABOUT TIME!!! This is a no brainer. Why isn't EVERYTHING EFI in this day and time? I would chose EFI over carb in all applications anytime. Almost no chance of a fouled plug. The little bit of extra weight and in my opinion, any extra cost is WELL worth it! As Always, May God Bless you and yours! 😇
Very exciting new tech coming out, cool too see
Man, do an icarus type cross country with that motor. Or a solid long delicious food run, sushi. Steak, seafood dinner...... at a place you haven't been too yet... even another fly to a spot to camp video now that you have the proper parameter camping set up.... good stuff. Keep up the fun videos.
I can tell just by hearing that engine how smooth it is. No loading. Nice, even power increase from idle up. At full throttle it sounds so "full". Looks like you found a winner. Your pillow is going to be damp when you have to give it back!! 😭😢😉🪂💺
Hi Tucker I've just ordered the Blue print here in Australia.
That's a pretty cool opportunity. They'll get a lot of feedback from you and your friends. EFI is quite an improvement. It'll be fun to see what you come up with.
Hey, i do have to say this, this is not the first fuel injecting motor (it is for footlaunch i think) but at home we have a flanders tandem trike, it also uses fuel injection with a pump! Good video so far nonetheless tho!
About time. A couple years ago I bought my first EFI motorcycle, and wow. I'm glad for the years I spent learning and self maintaining traditional carburetor engines, but having a reliable push button start and trouble free smooth operation is great. However, should something go wrong, the troubleshooting process will likely be more complicated.
I like that Vittorazi is trying new innovations. But I think it is too complicated. Have to have an on board battery that will eventually need replacing, have a computer and screen that probably costs a fortune, have to take care of the injectors and they might clog up. And that 4 second feature seems to be a pita. Like you mentioned, cross country fliers might like having a computer screen to better plan routs.
I love fuel injection in cars, I hate direct injection. But here I am with a GDI engine in my car.
There's a company out of Atlanta. That has been testing these types of engines. The only problem they have had is the computer at high altitude. The cold seems to screw with the computer. And sends out multiple error codes. And its not like tou have a manual with you. Beyond that its the next Gen. when the price drops. Not for sale yet also.
Try some tuning of the EFI mapping in the computer to see if you can squeeze out some more juice!
Nice presentation :) A high altitude test would be very interesting !
I'm glad the tech is catching up to cars. My 2007 has a dot matrix display like that, with fuel economy rates. New ones now have an LCD touch screen. So that's coming next.
Another great Video, Tucker. I'm not flying, but it seems like the EFI is a great move. ❤
Hey tucker, can you please use metric system? (Maybe some subtitle-like annotations)The numbers you give means nothing for me, and I'm really interested in the technical specs. Great video as always!
you should try and go up to the clouds with it
10,000 feet and above is the point where supplemental oxygen starts to be required because you will eventually fall unconscious due to hypoxia and then die shortly after. falling unconscious will occur within a specific amount of time that depends on your altitude which progressively becomes shorter and shorter as you get higher and higher. without any supplemental oxygen at 20,000 to 25,000 feet, a person will fall unconscious within 30 to 45 seconds with brain death occurring after 4 to 6 minutes.
Love your videos Tucker! Ive been watching yiur videos for a while and actually know one of your friends that yiu showed in an old video :) He lets me use his one weel that he used to be a dealer for every time he would come to one of our Powered Parachute/Paramoter flyins
That saftey feature...needs to be connected to the squat switch. 4 seconds could seem like an eternity after an air restart.
That's a lot of electronics. Curious about system redundancies and climate/corrosion resistance.
Really interesting. I'd love to get one when I can afford it. Great video!
EFI is the way to go. BTW. I was on my way back to Northern NJ from Hamburg PA yesterday and saw two paramotor above
78 east Was that You ? Lol
Recreate a long flight you did with the similar standard engine to compare fuel burn in a “head to head” comparison
You should put this on a thrust table and compare it to the standard Moster 185 and Factory-R with the same prop.
We've done that. As Tucker says, it's similar power to the Moster 185 - but way smoother and way more user friendly. we hope to post some test videos on out channel about this soon.
I need that backpack for my paddleboard . Ok you got me , it's not a paddleboard it's an air-mattress but I still need a way of propeling it through water , that's the only way other than paddles which I'll only use paddles in emergencies ; there is no way of mounting a motor to an air-mattress . Actually , could mount that backpack to a Jon boat or if i really wanted to be able to hop seperate bodies of water , throw an hot air balloon or two into the concoction or use an rigid wing , lol .
Can't wait to see paramotors with turbos!
Seems they could add a little more to that Battery pack to get more run time between charges or just to have a safety buffer if you're planning a 3-4 hour flight.
In our tests, we are getting 8 hour plus flying time on one charge, even with multiple starts
Tucker I remember years ago You flew across some fields I think you landed in a fast food place I was late in the day if I can remember I remember as soon as I saw your young picture. I could be wrong
I wish it wasn’t so expensive to get into this hobby, but that motor did seem to have nice features with the starting & gauges
First 2-stroke paramotor with EFI, maybe, but I've had a 4-stroke Intruder 250 for several years and it has EFI /shrug
Great review Tucker! Hopefully, they do the same to the Atom 80 someday
It’s been nice following this channel and their lovely channels, Great concept!
I’d love to know you better Mark, thats only if you dont mind cos you seem to be a very nice person with a great sense of humor
Thanks Tucker!! Love your videos!
A really exact measure of how good it is at telling you how much fuel/time you have would be something.
now you need a charging system for the battery, stator and regulator.
I find it unbelievable that they didn't built it at first
@@cotasaSeriously that blows my mind that this wouldn't be included. Absolutely terrible design.
I love that they are doing more with the engines but they can't even get the plastic airbox problems right yet. Looks cool but for a days flying id need multiple batteries. Not sure it's worth it yet
you should come to norway and fly! its really fun flying through the fjords. you're allowed to fly for up to 6 months as a guest pilot
Reliable starting and fuel delivery, more efficient. Nuf said.
Great video! Smooth ride! Thank u for sharing!!❤
Great review Tucker! The way you talk, you remind me of my older brother growing up in the 70s and 80s. We’d snowboard (snow stickin) and skate a lot. He and his friends used a lot of the “stoked” jargon and other words you use. I grew up wanting to be like him. You seem like a fun guy to be around. Anyway, it would be cool if you flew around your landing spot and did a few “dead stick” tests to see how accurate the fuel gauge/stats are. I’m interested in longevity too and how long it takes before some things begin to fail of course. Anyway, good stuff! Thanks!
OK, so a car has an alternator that charges up the battery. Is there no alternator on this motor that will keep the battery topped up? If not, why not?
I'm very impressed with everything else that I see on it. I want to get into paramotoring and I think this would be a nice first investment.
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Adds complexity and weight, also charging this style of battery is different from a car. Doesn't make it not doable, just has pros and cons.
@@error.418a yamaha yz125 stator is 400g. I bet everyone would happily take that little extra weight and not have to un plug and charge that battery EVERY SINGLE DAY. Imagine doing that to a car. It's just stupid
I assumed it was a weight/complexity thing.
Yep an hybrid starter/alternator is pretty simple...
Below are four things that would be major points of concern. The first two are complete deal breakers for me.
1. The first is the 4 second delay with the throttle. I understand why they might have that in place while on the ground, but that could be deadly in the air during an emergency. There needs to be an override for when you're in the air.
2. No on board battery charger. The stator that provides current for the spark plug should have more than enough capacity to provide current for a battery charger. It seems all that would be needed would be a small step down transformer from the voltage regulator to match the output volts/amps of the charger. 3. Could they incorporate a redundant EFI module? When electronics fail they don't taper off. They die just like flipping an off switch. A redundant EFI would jack the price, but should at least be an option.
4. Have a redundant pull start.
EFI the Factory R and im sold
I feel like that would be a $10k motor if it existed.
The Biggest thing with EFI is the Air-Fuel mix being controlled at different altitudes the motor will Run Better and cleaner overall.
Tucker terrific! Great review. Nice insight!! I think you’ve done this before…🤔😊
You need to consider the possibilities. You are now equipped for power adders. Nitrous, turbo, supercharger, tuning for individual props, and timing changes. You won't have to stick with a set of tuning parameters ever again. I bet high altitude cruising is going to he a massive game changer. This is huge!
That's a pretty sweet rig! In the event the electronic ignition fails, do you still have pull-start capability as a backup? You could install a hard point for mounting a small tablet for navigation and air data on the left side. I like where that engine monitoring panel is located. Thanks for the video.
My fresh breeze has electric start and starts just as good and dont have to worry abaout the batery dying
14:20 the safety feature for start with 4 seconds to allow you to use the throttle could be a bit concerning in an emergency situation where you need to turn on and throttle out immediately.
Pricing would obviously have to wait until they announce it proper, but it would be interesting to see how much it shares with the carbureted Moster in terms of parts.
with the efficiency of efi they can now put superchargers on the engines or turbos to get the better power bands while only losing what you gained with efi so same gas usage as carbeurator but mo powaaa
I'm on my first pgmi fuel injection motor bike. Fuel economy is great compared to carbs. Plus you get the right fueling for the conditions. At times more power too especially on cold days.
Yer yer much more liner throttle control.
I think engines will last a lot longer too.
Last thought... Great flight engine more stable. I think more power could be had with more fueling and a good ECU. I'm sure a carbed engine goes through so much stress due to its limitations.
fantastic lets add another variable to figure out if your motor isn't running.
Fuel bladders + aux battery charging; and see how far you can go in one leg on it!!
Obviously we need a drive thru burger video worth it
Hi, since you have this nice engine on test, could you try to challenge the world record of high alt flying in PPG, I know you get creative, O2 bottle etc…
That would test the automatic mixture control ….
Thanks for your work.
Went to school for engineering, and all my mind screams is “why are they still using exposed rotors?!”
Guy invented a mini rocket engine for use with a flight suit recently. I just don’t get why some company doesn’t put a version of that off each side of a harness (just above waist height to hit center of mass), with a smaller wing and promptly run every other parameter company out of business.
Edit:(yes I can think of a dozen problems off the bat as well, they just mostly seem simple to work around at first thought. Prolly wrong)
Hey tucker, here's an idea: Maybe you can make a discord about paramotors etc! It would be really cool!
Can you take it up to altitude, and see how well it does in temps below freezing? From what I hear, if that battery dies - your flight is over.
Absolutely you will have to know a bit about mechanics…how do we recharge the battery or did I miss something….