Destiny's Rittenhouse coverage continues and it's coming down to pixels... Part 1 ►ruclips.net/video/s-iR-2eEjsI/видео.html Part 2 ►ruclips.net/video/-UWwFP6BnvU/видео.html Part 3 ►ruclips.net/video/9rtEB65ei8U/видео.html
He should have counted how many Number One Victory Royales Kyle has. He clearly was aiming for 10 kills on the board, and was planning on going to Tomato Town right after to continue the parade of death.
"It is just like a twitch debate" Haha yeah the craziest part of the trial was when the defense suddenly started playing a piano in the middle of arguing with the prosecution about the admissibility of a certain piece of evidence.
How did i read this for the first time excactly when Destiny said it in a 2 hour video? I thought i just said it in my head and had to go back and check
I used to be subbed to destiny a long time ago, resub'd recently to see whats up and realized why I unsubbed to begin with. Most of the people hanging out on his chan seem to be /pol weirdos like you expect on the quartering or what not also. Ah F him and his bait
Just gonna say it... Clickbait like this isn't okay, and spreads lies. Anyone reading the title and not watching the video will get a completely false view of what's going on.
@@himangshumahanta5398 Thats an awful arguement. Spend 2 hrs of my time to confirm something that was literally a lie and could've took less than 2 seconds to type better? Clickbait of this level on something like this isn't cool and can frame things poorly.
@@nickydee569 you could also say it's his responsibility to not make misleading titles destiny himself agrees that media and news outlets need to stop with the bullshit clickbait headlines for views, idk why he does it himself
I am astounded that the footage in question was allowed into evidence; it is highly prejudicial, in that it relies upon personal interpretation rather than speaking for itself.
The issue of jury trials with high profile cases like this. The old/current system of a jury of your peers who have not been polluted with opinions on your accusation is not really possible with the current situation. Its not really.viable to sequester them completely away from media coverage.
Quick Recap on the Photo: It was not one, but TWO frames squashed together to make a single - changed frame. i.e. Not a frame of video from the night of the incident. Anyone with editing experience knows any 2 frames can have subtle differences in a video. Combining these frames brings in Data that does not belong there. *Anyway, none of that is relevant. The Claimed Support hand in that still is a light reflection on the Vehicle. It remains there 4-5 frames back when Kyle is several feet out of position and still has the extinguisher. The real rip in all of this is that the Drone footage is in fact key to answering what caused the vents of that night to unfold, but everyone is so stuck on Rosenbaum and Kyle they completely miss it. * Ziminski planned an Execution. He walked around most of the night with Gun in Hand, just waiting for the opportunity to execute his plan. (Much like Reinoehl in Portland) The Plot: Ziminski - the Hero Savior Rosenbaum - the victim of a crazed militia attacker Kyle - The Target of the plot *Ziminski is to step forward and Back Kyle to the front of the Vehicle - where Rosenbaum is to Tackle Kyle - then Ziminski would Step in and Shoot Kyle - Claiming he was threatening them with his rifle. @@@One Problem@@@ Kyle spots Rosenbaum and side-steps him. then runs. * The Attempt is not over Ziminski Flanks Kyle along the front of the lot After Kyle defends against Rosenbaum attack and circles back to his body, Ziminski continues Flanking Kyle, eventually drawing down on him , but fleeing people get in the way both times. Ziminski and Wife also set off the Chase after Kyle, yelling to Get him, Ge him, cranium that boy, etc. - then disappear into the crowd and leave. *A compilation of Video from the front of the station, with the Drone footage maps it all out. 1) Kyle has no idea how lucky he was. 2) Binger is an Egotistical Moron that completely missed a Murder Plot and Prosecuted the wrong man. *** The Still from the Video was completely debunked by Darth-Crypto - an expert in Video analysis.
@@saf2197 All True and now that Binger was made a fool of in Court he is going after Dominick Black on the Same firearm/Minor law the Judge dismissed against Kyle. This DA is an absolute POS, as is Lying Kraus. Kraus had the software on his court laptop to manipulate, crop and compress video, yet he claimed to not know anything about how any video editing worked. He even attempted to blame Binger for the different File Name......... as Binger sat there shaking his head no. *I know the judge will not do anything since Kyle was acquitted but he has all the evidence he needs to press for Both prosecutors to be investigated and brought before the Bar. As for Kyle raising the Rifle - No, it never happened and the last call for Mistrial was due to the defense receiving he evidence Binger had presented the misleading Photo and the Detective lied when claiming to Verify it. The supposed support hand on the magic Rifle was nothing but a light reflection n the Duramax that stayed even when Kyle was not there. overlaying a Rifle model, even using the reflected light as a support hand would place the rifle i a 45 degree angle skyward - not at any person
Thank God someone else sees how it all played out. I’ve been screaming that Zimenski is the damned key to this since first seeing the drone footage. I had my suspicions from something Richie McGuinness had said describing the events before that but the drone footage made it obvious. The fact that the DA got away with letting that ass avoid testifying by charging him with arson and delaying his trial is sick. And if any prior act/character evidence should have been allowed it’s Rosenbaum’s suicide attempt and battery charge. It completely explains the kind of mind a person has to have to attack a kid with a gun IMO. The dude had zero regard for his own life or anyone else’s.
Actually he should do a “react” video to the states closing presentation to the jury, i think it will flip his opinion and yours. I strongly suggest it, its such a interessting closing and not much time.
@@hanskraut2018 The prosecution's closing statements were extremely dishonest and do not reflect the evidence of the trial. They were charismatic, though.
Actually on the same day of the Rittenhouse verdict a black man in Florida was acquitted on self defense when he fired at police because he didn’t know they were police. I wish I had the name of the man atm, but a google search should give you the answer.
You mean, imagine the fate of your entire life depending on the prosecution purposely admitting a 480p video as evidence when the original was 1080p. It's called tampering with evidence.
If I were the defense, I would’ve asked for a mistrial with prejudice after the “enhanced” video was introduced. And after finding out that the copy of the video delivered to the defense was a lower resolution copy and not the same as the one the prosecution submitted as evidence, I would’ve been even more insistent on mistrial with prejudice. The prosecution’s incompetence (and I’m being charitable) has tainted the whole case with prejudice against the defendant. Their malfeasance is so egregious that it constitutes a violation of the defendant’s right to a fair trial by an unbiased jury.
Disagree- the Prosecution provided the "raw data" & Richards could/should'eve done his own enhancement, with an expert he trusted. (In a murder case, where "cause of death" is in question the Defense can order a 2nd autopsy, but that 2nd coroner doesn't rely on the 1st coroner's report they only get the "raw data" aka the corpse) Had Prosecution supplied the enhanced version the Defense would have argued for a mistrial for being supplied "altered" & not "raw" data. The veracity of "photo enhancement" argument was settled in the '90- the 4mb vid vs 11mb version would have ZERO bearing on the fact that it shows Kyle turning on a dime while Rosenbaum is in full run, Kyle shooting him too soon to claim Rosenbaum lunged at or grabbed at his gun. HOWEVER, IF THE DEFENSE COULD PROVE THAT THE PROSECUTOR HAD SPED UP THE VIDEO TO "ENHANCE IT" WOULD THEY HAVE HAS GROUNDS FOR A MISTRIAL. & that's not what the D is arguing. Godspeed ❤️
@@auntijen3781 Wrong. 1. It’s prosecutorial malfeasance to show evidence to the jury before first providing it to the defense. 2. The prosecution’s case rests on provocation; wether Kyle pointed his weapon at the crowd just before Pedobaum started chasing him. No witnesses have been brought to testified that Kyle did. So the prosecution’s case rests solely on the “enhanced” video. 3. As for shooting too soon, Pedobaum had plenty of warning. Once under chase, Kyle aims at Pedobaum but doesn’t fire, choosing to further retreat instead. Second time Kyle turns around, Pedobaum launches at Kyle and reaches for the rifle (as per witness testimony and video evidence). Kyle was justified in shooting. Pedobaum got what he asked for.
@@nelsoncamachotirado6967 aka "Half Nelson" Seems like the judge (who didn't declare a MISTRIAL) & jury (who is taking far too long for a clear cut Not Guilty verdict) disagree w/ you. lFunny thing is that I began watching this trial convinced Kyle would be found NOT GUILTY But at least we all know FROM YOUR COMMENT that you OBVIOUSLY did not A) watch the whole trial- nor do you B).understand the law. Grosskreutz did poorly on the stand, but any damage that had done to the prosecutions case was BLOWN by Kyle, himself, on cross examination, which proved for the jury Grosskreutz was right. (Just one example of many) starts @2:20 ruclips.net/video/vWaP17rLo7Q/видео.html Provocation Proved by Kyle, himself! Tell me Nelson, is he a cartoon, or buffoon? You decide! Btw, "Pedobaum" as you say is not the insult you think it is, bc he PROVABLY wasn't even a protestor. No BLM supporter would be out there, saying the Nword loud & proud like he did in the parking lot footage, when he says "Shoot me N*****, Shoot me N*****" which is DEFINITELY NOT a word thrown out by folks on the left, for starters.. hmmmm... Personally, just so you stop embarrassing yourself & for some clarity here is a complete, play by play dismantling of the Defense's case that Kyle acted in "self defense" scroll down to paragraph 11, read, weep & repeat t.co/FeMB1Fr6qO
@@auntijen3781 You’re so triggered. Take a Midol so you can feel like a lady. Why are you bringing in BLM? They’re irrelevant to the case. As for the judge’s take, he has a wait and see attitude (he seem to do that a lot). He said so himself regarding his ruling on a mistrial. He even talked about a day of reckoning for the prosecution. I have been watching the trial live every day. Without commentary. Just the live feed from the court. And Kyle Rittenhouse should be found not guilty of all charges. That’s based on the facts of the case. As for my opinion, Rittenhouse should get a medal and a movie deal. Now dilate and seethe.
On a previous video on the topic someone commented how video taken with a mobile phone or a tablet can even mix frames together to improve the perceived image quality. I checked about that a bit and it is actually a thing. So when there is little light the software can try to guess the color values of pixels by comparing changes over several frames and these changes are then written in the file. This can cause all kinds of insane changes on the smallest image scales, but looks decent when viewed normally. I don't know which brands/models do what, but it seems like there needs to be a national level study done into it which could be used as a basis for future trials.
@@xaby996 The point is that there is no "original" in the same sense as an analog or "untouched" digital recording could be thought to be. If you record video, but the saved file has already a bunch of filters etc applied to it then clearly it does not represent reality in the same way one might expect. On a pixel peeping level what one sees can in fact be more digital artifact and software creation then reality. There is no difference when viewing something very clear to each viewer, but that could be tested as well for example the jury having to recognize a defendant or object by the image alone without any help. If they're unable to do so then clearly it is not obvious and an expert witness is required.
@@tcritt Something like Nearest Neighbor Scaling, bilinear or bicubic or similar traditional methods have nothing to do with more modern methods that mix frames and create expectation profiles based on the overall characteristics of an image. Surely there are much fancier "AI" solutions as well. To an extent there are similar issues with any digital transformations made, but these newer kinds are notably more questionable. Imagine with even those older ones if someone would just down- or upscale an image step by step until it looks closest to what the claim is. Some Scene Optimizer bullshit my phone makes huge changes to the photo that can then be called "the original" photo.
August. I be log of you. I am on my hands and knees. PLEASE put outros at the end of videos. It pains me as an audio listener that it just goes silent and I don’t know if destiny is just being quiet or if the video is over
It's a white blurb, that loosely looks like the arm gesture of someone raising a gun. However, if it is to be perceived as that, then it would mean Kyle was aiming with his off-side..... instead of right- hand on grip as with how he's done in all of the footage. The image is just a mesh of like- colors, that when combined from a certain angle while blurred... looks like the sleeve of a raised arm.
I truly truly believe that that video is exactly how they wanted it. They wanted it to be blurry as hell so different people will see something different to swing the decision. It was a play not poor preparation.
Nothing ambiguous about the gun law. It clearly states that 16 and 17 year olds are allowed to possess long guns. As long as they’re not carrying an SBR or SBS, they’re perfectly legal.
If you watch the reading of charges and court instruction before jury deliberation, if he is found to have perfect self defence he beats certain charges straight out, no need to look at lower degrees for that specific charge. However just self defence is not adequate to clear certain lower degrees of the charges. This doesn't necessarily track to the reckless endangerment charges I don't think.
The Prosecutor really should be investigated and disbarred. People kept saying that the judge was favoring the defense. But the real issue was that the Prosecutor thought he was to smart for a judge he thought was probably senile..
The rifle law was not at all ambiguously phrased. In fact it was one of the clearest laws I've ever seen. Nobody under 18 can use a rifle with the following three exemptions: They are hunting, they are a service member, the barrel of their gun is longer than 16 inches (and they are over 16 years old). They literally have the law stated, a set of conditions to convict, and then a section specifically for exemptions. It's the most layman law I've seen.
The problem is that some of the functions in the software the prosecution used produce imagery that is not supposed to be used as evidence in a court of law, but only for investigative purposes. If an algorithm is generating new images using multiple frames, as is the case with various upsampling algorithms or AI algorithms such as DLSS for example, then that function is producing CGI images, how tf anyone thinks it's legit to use computer-generated imagery as evidence is mind boggling. That's not even accounting for the anatomy of how one is supposed to believe that Kyle magically teleported his sling and rifle into a left handed position and then back again between frames, that would be one hell of a trick.
The video @41:00 *IS* the most important piece of evidence but to me, it doesn't make sense. If he was pointing the rifle up he would have had to turn 180° which he doesn't do in this video and since he didn't turn 180° he's pointing the rifle down which is how it normally sits when attached to the sling. Am I wrong on this? If I am, why? Genuinly curious.
You should have watched the hole tryal but at least watch the closing on day 9 or 10 before making strong statements…. Relly watch the closing statements to the jury! 🙆♂️🤦♂️
@@hanskraut2018 The prosecution's closing statements were extremely dishonest and do not reflect the evidence of the trial. They were charismatic, though.
@@akivaweil5066 Their closing was pretty good at the beginning but became aimless and confusing about halfway in. The defense had a better closing overall but suffered from similar problems of becoming meandering after a while. But what really sticks out as the highlight of that day was the rebuttal. I don't see how anyone can contest their arguments anymore, the ones that really convinced me were "he brought a gun to a fist fight and was too cowardly to use his fists to fight his way out" and my favorite "Everyone takes a beating sometimes", I've never heard such good arguments before.
Its reasonable to me to defend your personal property with force, its a physical representation of life you have sacrificed for the money to buy said property
All six pixels of it. Which, if true, would show right handed Kyle holding the rifle left handed 🙄. How could they put this up as evidence. I know they're soulless but aren't they EMBARRASSED.
It seems clear that they're used to being baby handled in theses processes that literally determines what happens to you for the rest of your life.. Baffling but as I understand corruption it's only a matter of time before this sort of thing would have formed naturally.
I feel like the prosecution tried to have a Perry Mason moment with this video and cropped in photo.. to me they just solidified his self defense claim more. He’s not in any kind of way brandishing the gun. The drone video shows more clearly how Rosenbaum charges after him and reaches for the gun BEFORE kyle shoots. I don’t see at all what prosecutors are trying to show here. I’m guessing neither did the jurors? Obviously?
Taking the law into his own hands would be arresting the man. Going to use a fire extinguisher to put out a fire and stop damage to a structure or private property is not taking the law into his own hands. Unless he used the rifle prior to his life being in danger.
I’m guessing a mistrial. Either way, Kyle benefits. A mistrial with prejudice, he walks. A normal mistrial, the state MAY press charges again, and the defense (hopefully a new one) will be more prepared. It’s obvious that the prosecutor and defense are begging the judge for a mistrial right now, and the judge is just not granting it. The prosecution has blatantly overstepped the line multiple times.
@@toasterlordtoasterlord4224 oh gotcha! Thanks for that. It’s so hard to keep up with it all. I’ve been having it on the background while I work so I don’t catch it all. I was watching a RUclips channel with a bunch of lawyers discussing the case as well. Rekieta Law, I think it’s called. It was interesting hearing their input on the case
Re: "Can a jury decide to convict even where the evidence is overwhelmingly indicative that they should not?" Yes. But there is also a motion for "Judgement Notwithstanding the Verdict," or JNOV. The motion can be made prior to the jury's deliberations, and even if the Judge declines the motion, it can be re-asserted after the jury has made their verdict, as long as it was made prior to deliberations. The Judge can then decide to set aside the motion.
This case is just a great example of "Stay the fuck home" like if the fate of the rest of your life is going to come down to pixels..just stay home when big events like protests and riots happen. Just mind your own business.
its weird cause yesterday before the clearer video was even known i saw the fucked up video yesterday and i was like bruh like this shit LOOKS compressed there has to be an original somewhere and that shit popped up today like i legit feel like im living in a simulation
Prosocution stating the rifle was illegal in closing statements (after it had already been ruled on) is super sketchy in any other court case. This entire trial is really messed up and terrifies me as a gun owner.
Because its all theatrics, there are 100 other horrifying cases a day magnitudes more depressing and shocking than this but because it involves someone standing up to the so called "protesters" who wanted to burn and loot local communities, Kyle is seen as bad. Its culture war crap and anti-gin nutters creamed their pants at another chane to use a tragedy to their agenda of stripping away more rights from citizens to defend themselves.
Asian comment didn't even sound like a joke. I don't like this judge much but that genuinely sounded like a man who was like "please God tell me the delivery guy didn't take that route or I'm going to be really late for the trial because of lunch"
There is such a wide range of arguments to think about after watching this whole video, listening to several of your debates and other sources of info. I respect your general perspective, especially on this case, I’d LOVE it if you would explain you point of view on a wide variety of topics with sources a thorough as this.
No, I think Grossgreutz was definitely trying to kill him. Kyle tells grossgreutz he's going to the police and grossgreutz actively tries to stop this and then pulls his gun on him.
@@azn2xcbbjai the entire situation he had more then enough time to shoot him, not sure what you mean? Then when Rittenhouses rifle jammed he was basically trying to stop him without just using the gun he had in his hand. plenty of others were armed that night apparently but only 1 shooter which was rittenhouse so I think he was doing what he came to do. Plus there was that video 2 weeks before were he was on video talking about shooting those black guys shopping at CVX "I wish I had a rifle right now so I could shoot them all" then 2 weeks he was there doing it. Then after he did it what was he doing after getting out of Jail? Hanging out in a bar with proudboys flashign signs with a smile on his face, he got what he wanted out of all this.
@@dabblerdeluxe775 The video of Kyle saying that at the store has absolutely no relevance to the events of that night. In that video, Kyle didn’t have his gun, isn’t being chased, isn’t attacked, and doesn’t have to run away from a violent mob. Him talking shit around his friends that the people he apparently threatened and never heard has no relevance to the lawful self-defence he had to use against those rioters who attacked him. If your best evidence of him being a bad guy was meeting some people in a bar, then you’re going to have to prove that A: He knew about the proud boys before the shooting B: He knew that the people at that bar were proud boys either during the meet-up or before. C: That he knew that idiots like you think the Ok hand gesture is a white supremacist symbol because you all turned a 4chan prank into what you genuinely believe. D: Any of that prior stuff waves his right to self-defence while someone grabs his gun, and then a mob attacks him. So far, you’ve not met any of those basic requirements, so all you can do is cast baseless conjecture in the hopes to smear someone you don’t like. Kyle wasn’t the only shooter that night. Before he even fired, Joshua Ziminski fired his pistol in the air moments before Rosenbaum lunged to steal Kyle’s weapon. Being charitable to you, I’ll assume you mean that he was the only person that killed anyone that night, which is true. Only Kyle killed anyone that night, but only Kyle was attacked by a man who reached for his gun and had threatened to kill Kyle if he found him alone, only Kyle was chased by a mob yelling “cranium that motherfucker” and “beat his ass” while that mob chased him for multiple blocks, only Kyle was hit multiple times by with a skateboard and kicked in the head, and only Kyle had someone fake surrendering and pointed a gun at his head. There’s no evidence that Kyle’s gun jammed at all. If it did, then there would have to be alive round at the scene. Since the detectives happened to find every single round that Kyle has been alleged to have fired at the place they were alleged to be fired, what happened to that bullet that would actually confirm your bullshit lie to be true. At that close a range, even using one hand, Grosskreutz was absolutely capable of hitting Rittenhouse and might not have been able to unless he actually got as close as he did. Grosskreutz even admitted on the stand that Kyle didn’t shoot at him until Grosskreutz pointed the gun at his head. Kyle was willing to let him back off while Grosskreutz decided to attempt to murder Kyle. Grosskreutz also knew that Kyle would turn himself into the police because of a brief conversation they had before Grosskreutz decided to join that violent mob. He must have been able to see the police lights that Kyle was running towards before Kyle was forced to the floor due to a person hitting him. When watching the video of Grosskreutz being shot, you’ll notice that Kyle’s gun wasn’t even pointed at him. It was pointed at the ground until Grosskreutz started to aim at his head (Grosskreutz, funny enough, was the person not legally allowed to carry a gun out of the two of them). Also, Grosskreutz didn’t have plenty of time, it was a fraction of a second between Grosskreutz pointing the gun at Kyle and Kyle shooting, it’s not like he was just staring at Kyle for 15 seconds and then Kyle shot him, it was literally a split second action and Grosskreutz roommate posted to social media that he had spoken to Grosskreutz and that his only regret was to “not emptying the entire mag into him [Kyle Rittenhouse]”. Stop being a delusional partisan, and if a protestor were in the same position, I’d absolutely be arguing it was self-defence.
@@DeansDiscourse everyone Talks shit but not everyone finds themselves in the situation 2 weeks later with a loaded rifle. Self defense ceases when you either intentional provoke or knowingly create a situation were lethal force is used such as the case recently were the home owner shot to teenagers breaking into his house who was sentenced to life. Give a rest to the "the OK symbol is just a 4chan prank" sorry but if the far right/white supremacist coopt a symbol to 'trigger the libs' or whatever it becomes a far right/white supremacist symbol because THATS HOW SYMBOLS WORK! The only question here and what will determine between self defense and homicide is did he go there and enter that crowd with the hope or intentional wreckless behavior in which violence was required. The fact these things have to be explained is ridiculous and it really is only because the far right has turned Kyle into some kind of symbol, that he was just a good boy who found himself far away from home in the middle of chaos with a loaded rifle, that isn't how a normal person sees it.
Just to speak on what the prosecutor was trying with the judge, he was hoping (stupidly) that it would be better to ask for forgiveness rather than permission. Judges have A LOT of leeway to fuck up your case based on a whim. He should have known better and definitely deserved a chewing out. Another thing I wanted to touch on is that it was a VERY good play by the defense to have Kyle take the stand. Juries and judges are looking at the defendants emotional state all the time, and him showing genuine emotions (and yes, I do think he's experiencing genuine trauma) shows both parties that this is not the outcome he wanted
The number of lefties who think 4 feet (ignoring within 4 feet) makes it impossible to grab a gun when the AR itself is >24 inches and my arm length is >24 inches, and Rosenbaum was lunging... is sorta funny
40:50 apart from the artifact(WHITE BLOB) which Binger has been priming everyone to believe is the barrel supporting arm of Rittenhouse, do notice that the distinct bend in the arm one gets when holding the rifle grip is usually on the right side of people who are right handed(on the blurry video however it is on the left side of Kyle) AND KYLE IS RIGHT HANDED (as seen in umpteen clearer videos of the day). So the prosecution is either reading it wrong and have succumbed to confirmation bias or are straight up lying. They did hide the HD video from the defence so I'm guessing they are upto no good.
I thought about that also and I can't imagine using the "wrong" arm. It feels so unnatural I would need a second or two to find a grip, definitely not in one smooth motion.
@@markyonline1 not even to mention how tight his sling was so he would have to shift the whole rig twice in a very short period of time. The case on rosenbaum has been over since the drone footage in my mind. He ran past Kyle and hid behind some cars and only came up behind him when the ziminiskis confronted him. I can only call that an ambush
@@SoldierGeneral64 note sure if Kraus just boomered the evidence fuckup, or did it on purpose, but they definitely fucked up. It's also weird that the guy had very specific editing software on his laptop (caught on the video).
About Ziminsky: he cannot be brought to testify by the defense because the prosecution (same individual) has him on arson charges so he would self incriminate. 5th amendment. However, if the prosecution wanted him to testify they could have expedited his trial (they actually intentionally adjourned it until the end of KR's), given him immunity or dropped the charges. So the bottom line is Ziminsky couldn't testify because the prosecution didn't want him to.
I'm from Europe, from Italy to be exact and I am about to finish law school. I think that if destiny is right about saying that "anything can happen in jury trial" is a little bit fucked up. A verdict should be based on the evidences and not about the feelings of the jury. Idk, I'm not knowledgeable about US court system though
I'm not a law expert by any means, but I think its just theoretically possible. The lawyers are also involved in jury selection, which has its own problems. And I believe jury decisions have to be unanimous. And if with all that and hearing the evidence, the jury comes to an unjust decision, then the defendant can file for an appeal. I would think the prosecution could call a mistrial as well
Look up jury nullification if you have not heard of it! Unlikely to be relevant to this case but its an interesting but rare thing that can happen with juries,
It’s not true, a judge can overturn a blatantly unreasonable jury guilty verdict (see judgement as a matter of law). On the other hand, you can never be sure of a conviction since the jury is within its rights to say not guilty, even if guilt is clear.
Applauding vets is common. Especially in airports. It became popular during the iraq war and is one of the most uncomfortable andawkward situations i have ever been in. For anyone who cares, please dont thank us for our service its is extremely awkward for many of us. Instead phrase it like " i appreciate your service" instead of thank you. it gives us the opportunity to say thank you instead of " your welcome" which is an extremely uncomfortable position to be in considering the size of the military.
Thank you for that. I have always felt slightly awkward in that situation. I will follow your advice in the future (if I ever leave my house cuz COVID-19 😏) ❤️✌️
I really hate it when people clap for me, but I also don't want to blame the people who do it, they don't mean any harm. I feel the same way about "thank you for your service"
Clearly self defense. Anti-gun ppl already won due to the fact this case is popular nationwide . The message is " if you defend yourself with a firearm, this can happen to you "
Ummm but it should happen if you shoot three people. It’s called the legal system and it exists for a reason. The consequences of boisterously toting a gun around in public and then using that gun, should be, at the very least, weighed in court. you believe that this case doesn’t deserve to be heard? Gun ownership is a serious responsibility, this is a fair consequence of killing 2.
That's what I've been saying. As a lefty, the fact this went to trial is great. It means that if you 'act in self-defense' you are going to need to defend that in a court and probably with a global audience. The lefties that say a not-guilty verdict would set a bad precedent are just nuts. This trial in and of itself is a huge deterrent to just go and, air quote, "act in self-defense".
Weird how the one instance they can find to try and claim he's pointing the gun at someone (prior to everything popping off with Rosenbaum chasing him) would also happen to be the one and only instance the entire night that he would have been holding his gun with a left handed hold.
I feel shocked and betrayed by the title of the video, I can't believe Destiny would force poor August to use such a click bait title. Baiting clicks is a betrayal of trust I will only be watching Destiny content now through Adblock and Vaush reaction videos.
That "most important piece of evidence", i wouldn't be able to trust after catching a bit of the trial yesterday. The prosecution provided a different version to the defense and didn't verify who delivered it.
The jury doesn’t know about that whole situation though. The bad part about it is that Kyle’s rights were violated. The state has the responsibility to ensure that the defense has all evidence that is going to be presented in the trial, and they did not. It’s not the defenses responsibility to ask for something that they couldn’t possibly know exists. Just another point towards appeal.
As I understand, the video was revealed to the prosecution after the trial started. I believe they originally got a lower quality video as well, and eventually obtained a higher quality file from the drone operator. Apparently it was the mail App or Airdrop on iPhone which compressed the video. Comedy of errors, and some willful perversion of the situation all around.
@@brianadams8832 With different file name and meta data? That's not an accident. Not when the prosecutor have two different encoding/editing softwares on his computer.
@@Raigan_Avalon idk about metadata. I didn't state that. Apparently some counties and states have a Dropbox like system for this sort of stuff, but wasn't available here. So individual means were taken. I can easily see this as accidental. Considering tech ignorance, and the fact prosecution even had to go back and get a higher quality video. No doubt the defense has exploited the situation whether unintentional or not.
I love supporting your work and being a subscriber of yours but what really irritates me is when you feel like you have the nerve and the ability to speak on something when you didn't even give it the full time of day. You refuse to watch all 10 or 12 days of the trial. If you did then you wouldn't be making such outlandish comments saying oh well maybe Kyle started the problem or maybe this maybe that, if you read and watched the trial every day it was on from the beginning to the end, then you would know everything you need to know. Kyle was running from Rosenbaum because in the clip that you showed you can see something shiny right near Kyle as soon as he starts to run away from Rosenbaum. Later in the trial it comes out that he was whipping a chain like a circle in his hand. He had a doubled up huge stainless steel chain walking around threatening Kyle with it and that's why he started running from him. And the autopsy photos in the trial show that Rosenbaum is missing his fingers and has gunpowder on his hand because he tried to grab Kyle's gun out of his grip and Kyle fired his gun because Rosenbaum went for it. and there was a solid wall behind kyle, he had nowhere else to run so he was cornered. You would know all this if you watched the trial. It could be tedious work but you can just watch and listen to it in the background while doing something else and in the long run it'll help you and benefit you because you'll be able to tell your subscribers the information they want rather than guessing all the damn time. Not that hard
Almost anyone experienced with the criminal justice system where i am in Miami, meaning anyone who has been arrested or been in jail or on probation, has told me between 5 years probation and a year or 2 in prison they will almost always choose the time inside because probation is SOOOO easy to fail for the smallest bullshit reasons. Certain traffic things CAN violate your probation, they have to call your job, your landlord, everything sucks on probation.
7:00 all the conservatives I know supported Kenneth Walker's defense of his home against the police. Literally never heard anyone say he should have been charged.
You call it a gamble. I call it unethical and grounds for being disbarred. This prosecutor is an absolute piece of garbage, who is trying to destroy a kid's life, in an unethical manner, likely for political reasons. I wonder if his logic on self defense would change if he was the one being chased by a mob and hit by skateboards.. it would be an interesting experiment..
@@falseprophet1024 Its clear that kid went there hoping to kill someone. If he had not been there, no one would be dead and this trial would not be happening.
@@Jay-wr1wh Ps. If they hadnt attacked him, nobody would be dead either, even if he was there... You strike me as a piece of shit that should be part of the same experiment as the prosecutor... i imagine youd magically think self defense was a thing, as soon as a mob chased you down and started beating you with their skateboards and pointing guns at you...
@@Jay-wr1wh Even if he wanted to kill everyone there, he didn't instigate anything so there was no reason to attack him. Thus he acted in self defense.
Allow me to summarize the prosecution's "pinch and zoom" claim: - play the video -now pause -now close one eye and squint really hard, can you see the unicorn? Defence: objection your honer, this is not valid evidence Prosecutor: your honer, I think we are all familiar with how when you squint, you can see things that aren't really there, this is not something new I am introducing.
A video clip would have to be extremely detailed and salacious, a far cry from what actually has been presented, for me to change my opinion that kyle was the victim of a violent incident that night. No video exist of him acting provocatively, with malice, with prejudice. Richie McGinnis was essentially vlogging the movements of kyle acting as a 3rd party subjective witness, not once in all the hours of testimony, video recording, written articles and interviews given by McGinnis even lightly touches on kyle being an aggressor in any way. McGinnis interviewed kyle less then 14 minutes before the first shooting, there isn't even a throw away line such as "kyle was ignorant to how his actions could be seen as threatening" or "I don't think he meant it but his tone was very aggressive" instead we are painted the scene of a naive 17 year old who wrongly assumes that his exposed rifle and non threatening demeanor give him immunity from the violent ill intent that was growing around him. Wat McGinnis does point out however is something far far more insidious and dark, he has found himself in more than 1 dangerous situation being a reporter on the ground covering many large gatherings and upheaval, he was able to.immediatly identify the warning signs popping up all around him. I can imagine it now, the body language, the posturing, the tone of the crowd, the Erie silence that happens when men are taking position and preparing for battle. He saw faces start to go from uncovered to covered, he saw hands disappearing from view, veins start to bulge with increasing bloodpressure and the abjecation of responsibility that plagues mob mentality building. He knew before anything had happend that kyle was likely already gleefully participating in his own death. What ever happend after this is irrelevant to me the.ziminskis and Joe Rosenbaum have already begun thier offensive attack. People have this stupid idea that aggression can only be acted out physically or verbally. Ask a female who is cornered I a dark alley, her route to escape blocked and the men tightening in on her position if it matters what they said or weather they hit her or weather it was scary enough on its own. I kno men who are scary enough to make you shake without saying a word. If I enact a plot to harm someone but we don't raise our voice and we don't strike anyone physically does that mean my actions were not malicious and with ill intent? Had Rosenbaum and ziminksi not hatched thier plot kyle would have gone home that night and noone would even know his name. We only know him and are able to judge his actions because he was attacked. Its victim blaming and its disgusting
I’ve just wanted to ask a question, legally no you can’t use deadly force to protect property, only in situation where there is risk of bodily harm/death to yourself. And I agree we shouldn’t just jump to shooting someone because someone stole a candy bar. However this feels like it creates a weird situation, where we argue that just having a firearm can deter crime from taking place, and for the most part that’s true..but if someone who wants to rob/steal/destroy stuff knows you Can’t legally use force, it stops being a deterrent Can we really argue that’s it fair, if the police wouldn’t stop that behavior that a person is just suppose to allow it to happen to their property?
Nah, you should legally be able to use whatever force is required to stop a crime if you have good reason to believe that they are committing a crime. If it’s something like a candy bar, you probably shouldn’t do that morally, but you should be able to legally. I just can’t have that much sympathy for a thief when they are shot for thieving.
No a bunch of the culture warrior nutjobs coming to this channel to do their victory laps absolutely believe in killing people over two dollars, one already replied to you. Blows my mind that they apparently believe Rittenhouse's PTSD is real but also think killing people over shit like candy bars or even TVs is based and to be celebrated. Before anyone crawls up my ass over this I believe his PTSD is likely real. Its also proof that killing other human beings fucks with you severely even if you are 100% legally and morally in the right to do so. Look at soldiers, not just in more messy modern wars but literally any of them. You guys really think Rittenhouse wouldn't change a single one of his actions that night, that if he is acquitted any nightmares he's having are just going to stop when the trial does?
@@matrixfan58 I didn’t say it was “based and should be celebrated”. I literally said it’d be immoral, but it should be legal. Reason why I think it should be legal is because of how incredibly hard it is to draw the line.
@@matrixfan58 also “coming to this channel” like this isn’t a take destiny has had, I remember shit before about him talking about the need to be able to kill someone over a blade of grass with a couple of lawyers.
Is Kyle's defense team local or did he bring in people? It's very likely that the judge and prosecutor socialize outside the courtroom. Often times well known defense attorneys in courts are also in those social groups
I’m from a hispanic household so this might be different, but god damn my mom would remove the skin from my ass via sandal if she caught wind that I wanted to go play field medic at an active riot. At SEVENTEEN.
My mom too n likely Kyle's mom. Remember that CNN called this s protest n Gov Evers called it first amendment event. To some extent you're using hindsite - easy to say now. Also shootings had nothing to do e age. Attackers started all conflicts, Kyle tried to run, and only shot attackers, and at last moment. Kyle's behavior exemplary even for adult.
Remember guys, if we lived in the cartoon world that the prosecutor imagines that we do if it "isn't your job" you don't have the freedom to do it and should be at home instead no matter what. To the thread of being put behind bars your whole life.
The zaminkys threw a bag at him to get his attention. As soon as Kyle Rittenhouse turned around to see, he noticed them chasing after him. He drops his fire extinguisher and tries to deter then from chasing him. He realizes Rosenbaum doesn't stop and that's when he shoots him. We've seen footage of all of this and the prosecutors want to twist it around and say that Kyle was chasing rosembaum. This is ridiculous.
It really is though. This is cut and dry of self defense. Let's say for whatever reason it wasn't, he killed a child rapist, wounded another known criminal and killed another criminal who likes strangling his victims. Their criminal sheet is public. To anyone who doesn't believe me, just look up their names and their crimes. Kyle is a fucking hero in my book. Also, the timing of the dude getting out of the mental ward a month before isn't just a coincidence.
Submit to the mob, p-please. I wonder if Kyle was a woman would the framing of this change. Known pedo stalking teenage girl. Everyone and their mother would be on the self defense train. Maybe the defense shoulda had kyle come out as trans for woke points.
Nah man your not getting it. He went there to protect his childhood dave and busters, it means a lot to him. This allows him to dome two people and get away with it.
@@Jarjarbinks683 If you're exercising your second amendment right to bear arms in a legal manner and someone reacts negatively to that and attacks you, that's their fault for doing so.
@@iconicphone232 Year ago but I don’t care because the previous two comments are filled with such rampant brain dead bs I had to say something. Firstly, yea I agree with you comment Iconic Phone. You cannot attack someone exercising their right to carry and be surprised when they defend themselves. “But the lives lost!” Well probably shouldn’t have attacked him then. If they didn’t care about their own mortality why should I? It’s pretty much natural selection at work at that point. Also the guy who said about going to a Zoo with a gun (that’s illegal btw) then breaking into an exhibit (that’s illegal btw) then reacting to….lions (lions are not equivalent to humans as they don’t posses the same reasoning capability) and sh**ting them (sad, a lion died, but you’d place a wild animal over a person? No matter how dumb they are? Hm and here I thought they cared about the sanctity of human life). Apparently, Iconic Phone, you’re one of the few people that have common sense.
As soon as I got out of basic and ait I was on a plane during christmas and was actually moved to tears as the pilots had the whole plane clap and recongnize me and another buddy as the plane landed...so it does happen and its very overwhelming....we werent even veterans at the time
When I got a plane to my next duty station the pilot that recognized us, praised us all and I kept thinking was the only productive thing I done thus far was cleaning the barracks while at A school.
it amazes me that people will hear someone say a normal light hearted sentence about lunch but somehow in their mind, they hear it as an obscure stereotypical racist insult… i think it’s clear who are the ones that are actually harboring deep seeded subconscious racism and bias in their minds to be able to seek out what they specifically wanted to hear.
The one thing i find biased here is that the judge ruled against that last piece of evidence of Kyle saying to his friend he wished he had his AR so he could shot them. It's a very weird train of thought that because Kyle did in fact not act there and called 911 instead it somehow means he's not prone to vigilantism. I mean he's literally saying he would shot them if he could and the fact he didn't shot them might well be because he didn't have his gun. This could of course just be young men acting tough and doesn't prove anything but i don't see why the jury wouldn't be the ones to decide that?
I saw the hearing. Basically the CVS thing was different place n time, and likely just teen talk. Pretty much video n witness evidence show us Kyle was defending himself. Note judge did not allow attackers criminal record. This is huge esp for Rbaum the child rapist.
He didn't say, "If I had my gun, I would get them to chase after me, and then shoot them and claim self-defense." So it has zero relevance to this case.
@44:00 That was such crap, first of all, prosecutor was just being a big baby that he got reemed and probaby got trashed on twitter and saw it. He comes back and objects to something that is really small and claims judge isn't following his own rules when it was real unclear and funny wording over the objection. What people don't mention is THAT THE JUDGE GRANTS HIS OBJECTION.
There is evidence (an unfired round from Grosskreutz's pistol found at the scene) to suggest that Grosskreutz tried to shoot Rittenhouse but the pistol misfired and he lowered it to cycle it before he could shoot him.
Did he say prior act evidence? All of the guys that attack Rittenhouse have large criminal background. Rittenhouse on the other hand has a clean and admirable background. Bicept guy got his 2nd DUI right before the Kenosha incident.
@@Marqrk its almost as if i responding to that argument and showing why its such a poor argument for the prosecution to use. Kyle said "i wish i had my Censored word." Well if thats valid then his assailants past transgression ought to be valid as well. Theyre both the "He's no angel" argument. The second DUI is curious though. Most of the time the second DUI is a very serious offense. Yet, his was somehow dismissed on a technicality
Destiny's Rittenhouse coverage continues and it's coming down to pixels...
Part 1 ►ruclips.net/video/s-iR-2eEjsI/видео.html
Part 2 ►ruclips.net/video/-UWwFP6BnvU/видео.html
Part 3 ►ruclips.net/video/9rtEB65ei8U/видео.html
I suspect the jury will be intimidated by BLM and antifa and Kyle will be sent down. 21:56 Blacks day off after verdict to riot?
Any possibility you have commented on the jury intimidation aspect?
@@alanbstard4 why would blacks gets the day off?
@@mattbryant8320 lol I left the time stamp there. Listen to video
@@buggaoff8160 any chance that tweet was based on total BS?
What the judge hasn’t accounted for was Kyle’s K/D ratio on Vanguard
Mine is .98 😭😭
He should have counted how many Number One Victory Royales Kyle has. He clearly was aiming for 10 kills on the board, and was planning on going to Tomato Town right after to continue the parade of death.
he's 2.0 atm
@Marqrk You’re exactly right. He then wanted to revive his friend and head southbound on Sheridan Rd.
@@DoneDealAC Mine's 1.01 😎😎😎😎
Aight editor chill with the clickbait title
@@markscott2956 he's a transgender
Did it not work though?
@@henryrutherford-braun9859 the shit shows up right in your feed whether the title is garbage or not.
Damn, you must've been playing this video on 50x playback speed.
@@meepmeep3874 doesnt mean you'll click tho lmao
"It is just like a twitch debate" Haha yeah the craziest part of the trial was when the defense suddenly started playing a piano in the middle of arguing with the prosecution about the admissibility of a certain piece of evidence.
Imagine your entire life hinging on a grainy ass drone video
Lmaooo
Imagine your entire grainy ass droning on a video hinge.
Imagine your entire life hinging on the nervous trigger Finger of a 17yo Vigilante
@@bingbung huh
@@Shyftus nervous? Lmao. He handled it incredibly proficiently in the moment. It must be opposite day 😅
another episode of "chat doesn't know anything about computers but still give takes and gets banned for them"
"I don't know if I agree with that E-Sports Batman." Is one of the best Destiny quotes.
🎃
I think eSports Batman is a known quantity (who may be a lawyer or something?)
Omg he said that as i read this. Such amaze
How did i read this for the first time excactly when Destiny said it in a 2 hour video? I thought i just said it in my head and had to go back and check
I lol'd for sure
Who fell for it. Who fell for the clickbait title. Fess up. ✋I did.
I thought I was gonna watch all two hours, but I checked the comments and found out it was click bait... I'm going to bed now.
@@curtismerritt4353 same it’s fucking 1 in the morning
Son of a bitch I'm jn the teaser at the beginning still but I had to come down here and see if it was clickbait
The video was uploaded 1 hour ago and the video is 2 hours long
I used to be subbed to destiny a long time ago, resub'd recently to see whats up and realized why I unsubbed to begin with.
Most of the people hanging out on his chan seem to be /pol weirdos like you expect on the quartering or what not also.
Ah F him and his bait
That seems insane to Destiny because it is insane. The prosecutor blatantly lies on the regular throughout the case.
He's a lawyer, of course he lies constantly.
He's also so smug about everything his whole demeanor makes me wanna vomit.
Just gonna say it... Clickbait like this isn't okay, and spreads lies. Anyone reading the title and not watching the video will get a completely false view of what's going on.
Abloo ablooooo
Why is it Steve's responsibility that people don't do their due diligence
Don't be lazy then, and watch the video.
@@himangshumahanta5398 Thats an awful arguement. Spend 2 hrs of my time to confirm something that was literally a lie and could've took less than 2 seconds to type better? Clickbait of this level on something like this isn't cool and can frame things poorly.
@@nickydee569 you could also say it's his responsibility to not make misleading titles
destiny himself agrees that media and news outlets need to stop with the bullshit clickbait headlines for views, idk why he does it himself
imagining destiny doing a sarcastic slow clap like a bond villain, whenever he encounters a veteran
I am astounded that the footage in question was allowed into evidence; it is highly prejudicial, in that it relies upon personal interpretation rather than speaking for itself.
Still better than no footage. Having no footage is entirely prejudicial.
A Destiny quote out of context:
“ Everytime I see a veteran… imma.. imma start clappin’ “
Clapping those cheeks.
The issue of jury trials with high profile cases like this. The old/current system of a jury of your peers who have not been polluted with opinions on your accusation is not really possible with the current situation. Its not really.viable to sequester them completely away from media coverage.
Amish juries!!!
@@REDDAWNproject exactly
@@Zgembo121 based and unbiased
So let me handle all the cases. I decide who is guilty or not. I think I would do a good job
Quick Recap on the Photo:
It was not one, but TWO frames squashed together to make a single - changed frame. i.e. Not a frame of video from the night of the incident. Anyone with editing experience knows any 2 frames can have subtle differences in a video. Combining these frames brings in Data that does not belong there.
*Anyway, none of that is relevant. The Claimed Support hand in that still is a light reflection on the Vehicle. It remains there 4-5 frames back when Kyle is several feet out of position and still has the extinguisher.
The real rip in all of this is that the Drone footage is in fact key to answering what caused the vents of that night to unfold, but everyone is so stuck on Rosenbaum and Kyle they completely miss it.
* Ziminski planned an Execution. He walked around most of the night with Gun in Hand, just waiting for the opportunity to execute his plan. (Much like Reinoehl in Portland)
The Plot:
Ziminski - the Hero Savior
Rosenbaum - the victim of a crazed militia attacker
Kyle - The Target of the plot
*Ziminski is to step forward and Back Kyle to the front of the Vehicle - where
Rosenbaum is to Tackle Kyle - then
Ziminski would Step in and Shoot Kyle - Claiming he was threatening them with his rifle.
@@@One Problem@@@
Kyle spots Rosenbaum and side-steps him. then runs.
* The Attempt is not over
Ziminski Flanks Kyle along the front of the lot
After Kyle defends against Rosenbaum attack and circles back to his body,
Ziminski continues Flanking Kyle, eventually drawing down on him , but fleeing people get in the way both times.
Ziminski and Wife also set off the Chase after Kyle, yelling to Get him, Ge him, cranium that boy, etc. - then disappear into the crowd and leave.
*A compilation of Video from the front of the station, with the Drone footage maps it all out.
1) Kyle has no idea how lucky he was.
2) Binger is an Egotistical Moron that completely missed a Murder Plot and Prosecuted the wrong man.
*** The Still from the Video was completely debunked by Darth-Crypto - an expert in Video analysis.
@@saf2197 All True and now that Binger was made a fool of in Court he is going after Dominick Black on the Same firearm/Minor law the Judge dismissed against Kyle.
This DA is an absolute POS, as is Lying Kraus. Kraus had the software on his court laptop to manipulate, crop and compress video, yet he claimed to not know anything about how any video editing worked. He even attempted to blame Binger for the different File Name......... as Binger sat there shaking his head no.
*I know the judge will not do anything since Kyle was acquitted but he has all the evidence he needs to press for Both prosecutors to be investigated and brought before the Bar.
As for Kyle raising the Rifle - No, it never happened and the last call for Mistrial was due to the defense receiving he evidence Binger had presented the misleading Photo and the Detective lied when claiming to Verify it.
The supposed support hand on the magic Rifle was nothing but a light reflection n the Duramax that stayed even when Kyle was not there.
overlaying a Rifle model, even using the reflected light as a support hand would place the rifle i a 45 degree angle skyward - not at any person
Thank God someone else sees how it all played out. I’ve been screaming that Zimenski is the damned key to this since first seeing the drone footage. I had my suspicions from something Richie McGuinness had said describing the events before that but the drone footage made it obvious. The fact that the DA got away with letting that ass avoid testifying by charging him with arson and delaying his trial is sick. And if any prior act/character evidence should have been allowed it’s Rosenbaum’s suicide attempt and battery charge. It completely explains the kind of mind a person has to have to attack a kid with a gun IMO. The dude had zero regard for his own life or anyone else’s.
It is funny how they missed to old gun guy grab guy sterotype
Mr. Rittenhouse, is it true that you said in a call of duty: vanguard lobby "I am about to make so many good commies?"
Destiny outpaced on all sides but still he prevails.
Actually he should do a “react” video to the states closing presentation to the jury, i think it will flip his opinion and yours.
I strongly suggest it, its such a interessting closing and not much time.
“Outpaced , but never out- _based_ “
Outpaced himself
Intellectually and somewhat vertically
@@hanskraut2018 The prosecution's closing statements were extremely dishonest and do not reflect the evidence of the trial. They were charismatic, though.
Oh nah. With a title like that, there's no way I'm going to sleep now.
it's a bait don't fall for it nothing changed his opinion
@@jonathand3842 yeah I'm noticing. Should've just went to bed.
@@jonathand3842 The whole point is that this is the single piece of evidence that could possibly change his opinion, if there ever was any.
As a veteran, I was applauded when I came home from Iraq. It was an emotional experience.
Actually on the same day of the Rittenhouse verdict a black man in Florida was acquitted on self defense when he fired at police because he didn’t know they were police. I wish I had the name of the man atm, but a google search should give you the answer.
I bet the boys in blue aren’t happy about that
Imagine the fate of your entire life, depends on Boomers trying to figure out how a fucking 4k TV works...
No different than zoomers trying to figure out how REALITY works.
@@The_Eastbound_Hyena 🤣🤣
@@The_Eastbound_Hyena sad but true
If being a non-boomer means i'm an edgy shitforbrains packing guns in provocation of a protest, I'd rather favor the boomers.
You mean, imagine the fate of your entire life depending on the prosecution purposely admitting a 480p video as evidence when the original was 1080p. It's called tampering with evidence.
If I were the defense, I would’ve asked for a mistrial with prejudice after the “enhanced” video was introduced. And after finding out that the copy of the video delivered to the defense was a lower resolution copy and not the same as the one the prosecution submitted as evidence, I would’ve been even more insistent on mistrial with prejudice. The prosecution’s incompetence (and I’m being charitable) has tainted the whole case with prejudice against the defendant. Their malfeasance is so egregious that it constitutes a violation of the defendant’s right to a fair trial by an unbiased jury.
Disagree- the Prosecution provided the "raw data" & Richards could/should'eve done his own enhancement, with an expert he trusted.
(In a murder case, where "cause of death" is in question the Defense can order a 2nd autopsy, but that 2nd coroner doesn't rely on the 1st coroner's report they only get the "raw data" aka the corpse)
Had Prosecution supplied the enhanced version the Defense would have argued for a mistrial for being supplied "altered" & not "raw" data.
The veracity of "photo enhancement" argument was settled in the '90- the 4mb vid vs 11mb version would have ZERO bearing on the fact that it shows Kyle turning on a dime while Rosenbaum is in full run, Kyle shooting him too soon to claim Rosenbaum lunged at or grabbed at his gun.
HOWEVER, IF THE DEFENSE COULD PROVE THAT THE PROSECUTOR HAD SPED UP THE VIDEO TO "ENHANCE IT" WOULD THEY HAVE HAS GROUNDS FOR A MISTRIAL. & that's not what the D is arguing.
Godspeed ❤️
Lots of 20 dollar words in that comment.
@@auntijen3781 Wrong.
1. It’s prosecutorial malfeasance to show evidence to the jury before first providing it to the defense.
2. The prosecution’s case rests on provocation; wether Kyle pointed his weapon at the crowd just before Pedobaum started chasing him. No witnesses have been brought to testified that Kyle did. So the prosecution’s case rests solely on the “enhanced” video.
3. As for shooting too soon, Pedobaum had plenty of warning. Once under chase, Kyle aims at Pedobaum but doesn’t fire, choosing to further retreat instead. Second time Kyle turns around, Pedobaum launches at Kyle and reaches for the rifle (as per witness testimony and video evidence). Kyle was justified in shooting. Pedobaum got what he asked for.
@@nelsoncamachotirado6967 aka "Half Nelson"
Seems like the judge (who didn't declare a MISTRIAL) & jury (who is taking far too long for a clear cut Not Guilty verdict) disagree w/ you.
lFunny thing is that I began watching this trial convinced Kyle would be found NOT GUILTY
But at least we all know FROM YOUR COMMENT that you OBVIOUSLY did not A) watch the whole trial- nor do you B).understand the law.
Grosskreutz did poorly on the stand, but any damage that had done to the prosecutions case was BLOWN by Kyle, himself, on cross examination, which proved for the jury Grosskreutz was right. (Just one example of many) starts @2:20 ruclips.net/video/vWaP17rLo7Q/видео.html
Provocation Proved by Kyle, himself! Tell me Nelson, is he a cartoon, or buffoon? You decide!
Btw, "Pedobaum" as you say is not the insult you think it is, bc he PROVABLY wasn't even a protestor. No BLM supporter would be out there, saying the Nword loud & proud like he did in the parking lot footage, when he says "Shoot me N*****, Shoot me N*****" which is DEFINITELY NOT a word thrown out by folks on the left, for starters.. hmmmm...
Personally, just so you stop embarrassing yourself & for some clarity here is a complete, play by play dismantling of the Defense's case that Kyle acted in "self defense" scroll down to paragraph 11,
read, weep & repeat
t.co/FeMB1Fr6qO
@@auntijen3781 You’re so triggered. Take a Midol so you can feel like a lady. Why are you bringing in BLM? They’re irrelevant to the case.
As for the judge’s take, he has a wait and see attitude (he seem to do that a lot). He said so himself regarding his ruling on a mistrial. He even talked about a day of reckoning for the prosecution.
I have been watching the trial live every day. Without commentary. Just the live feed from the court. And Kyle Rittenhouse should be found not guilty of all charges. That’s based on the facts of the case.
As for my opinion, Rittenhouse should get a medal and a movie deal.
Now dilate and seethe.
On a previous video on the topic someone commented how video taken with a mobile phone or a tablet can even mix frames together to improve the perceived image quality. I checked about that a bit and it is actually a thing. So when there is little light the software can try to guess the color values of pixels by comparing changes over several frames and these changes are then written in the file. This can cause all kinds of insane changes on the smallest image scales, but looks decent when viewed normally. I don't know which brands/models do what, but it seems like there needs to be a national level study done into it which could be used as a basis for future trials.
That doesnt matter because its still the original medium
@@xaby996 The point is that there is no "original" in the same sense as an analog or "untouched" digital recording could be thought to be. If you record video, but the saved file has already a bunch of filters etc applied to it then clearly it does not represent reality in the same way one might expect. On a pixel peeping level what one sees can in fact be more digital artifact and software creation then reality. There is no difference when viewing something very clear to each viewer, but that could be tested as well for example the jury having to recognize a defendant or object by the image alone without any help. If they're unable to do so then clearly it is not obvious and an expert witness is required.
That's how compression works. It's not a secret. Your games console does something similar to upscale the resolution.
@@tcritt Something like Nearest Neighbor Scaling, bilinear or bicubic or similar traditional methods have nothing to do with more modern methods that mix frames and create expectation profiles based on the overall characteristics of an image. Surely there are much fancier "AI" solutions as well. To an extent there are similar issues with any digital transformations made, but these newer kinds are notably more questionable. Imagine with even those older ones if someone would just down- or upscale an image step by step until it looks closest to what the claim is. Some Scene Optimizer bullshit my phone makes huge changes to the photo that can then be called "the original" photo.
@@hartyewh1 We are talking about video. Temporal compression isn't anything new.
August. I be log of you. I am on my hands and knees. PLEASE put outros at the end of videos. It pains me as an audio listener that it just goes silent and I don’t know if destiny is just being quiet or if the video is over
Especially when they used to have such a sick outro
It's a white blurb, that loosely looks like the arm gesture of someone raising a gun.
However, if it is to be perceived as that, then it would mean Kyle was aiming with his off-side..... instead of right- hand on grip as with how he's done in all of the footage.
The image is just a mesh of like- colors, that when combined from a certain angle while blurred... looks like the sleeve of a raised arm.
His "right hand" {that is claimed to be supporting the gun} is a truck part shining in the street lamp.
It's there before Kyle.
@@schrodingersgat4344 not the "smoking gun"
@@pharma37 Have you seen the Monty Python meme for it?
@@schrodingersgat4344 I have not.
@@pharma37 The Fish Poem Sketch with Kyle's head and his arms stretched in a silly manner.
Jolly good laugh, that.
I truly truly believe that that video is exactly how they wanted it. They wanted it to be blurry as hell so different people will see something different to swing the decision. It was a play not poor preparation.
As a Wisconsinite, I'm cringing so hard over all the Wisconsin accents.
It's Chicago meets Minnesota
@@Brettwbeyer14 With a touch of Canada in there. The upper-Midwest accents are all similar but slightly different. It's so weird. lol
As a foreigner they all sound American to me.
Ain't nothing wrong
I like Wisconsin 😍
The real news story is Bingers old email address🤣
Gotta have somewhere to receive those emails from his butt pirate boat buddy
Nothing ambiguous about the gun law. It clearly states that 16 and 17 year olds are allowed to possess long guns. As long as they’re not carrying an SBR or SBS, they’re perfectly legal.
And which state does that law apply to
@@xXNP4CNuclearXx Wisconsin State Legislature 948.60 Section 3c
@@xXNP4CNuclearXx The state where he was charged, the only one that is relevant to this case
Fucking finally, I have no idea why so many people think it’s vague.
@@jth_printed_designs Yeah, just ignore the straw purchase in his friends name because he couldn't own a gun as a resident of Illinois.
😂
If you watch the reading of charges and court instruction before jury deliberation, if he is found to have perfect self defence he beats certain charges straight out, no need to look at lower degrees for that specific charge. However just self defence is not adequate to clear certain lower degrees of the charges. This doesn't necessarily track to the reckless endangerment charges I don't think.
The Prosecutor really should be investigated and disbarred. People kept saying that the judge was favoring the defense. But the real issue was that the Prosecutor thought he was to smart for a judge he thought was probably senile..
The rifle law was not at all ambiguously phrased. In fact it was one of the clearest laws I've ever seen. Nobody under 18 can use a rifle with the following three exemptions: They are hunting, they are a service member, the barrel of their gun is longer than 16 inches (and they are over 16 years old).
They literally have the law stated, a set of conditions to convict, and then a section specifically for exemptions. It's the most layman law I've seen.
look up a picture of zaminzky. you will understand real quick why the prosecution did not want him on the stand
lol damn
The kind of person who would fire a warning shot should stay far, far away from the oath
I'm surprised Defense didn't call him to testify.
Zaminzky wanted a deal to get off on his own charges to testify but Binger who is his prosecutor too wasn't going to give that to him.
Never trust a dude with face tats...
The problem is that some of the functions in the software the prosecution used produce imagery that is not supposed to be used as evidence in a court of law, but only for investigative purposes. If an algorithm is generating new images using multiple frames, as is the case with various upsampling algorithms or AI algorithms such as DLSS for example, then that function is producing CGI images, how tf anyone thinks it's legit to use computer-generated imagery as evidence is mind boggling. That's not even accounting for the anatomy of how one is supposed to believe that Kyle magically teleported his sling and rifle into a left handed position and then back again between frames, that would be one hell of a trick.
The video @41:00 *IS* the most important piece of evidence but to me, it doesn't make sense. If he was pointing the rifle up he would have had to turn 180° which he doesn't do in this video and since he didn't turn 180° he's pointing the rifle down which is how it normally sits when attached to the sling. Am I wrong on this? If I am, why? Genuinly curious.
You should have watched the hole tryal but at least watch the closing on day 9 or 10 before making strong statements….
Relly watch the closing statements to the jury! 🙆♂️🤦♂️
@@hanskraut2018 The prosecution's closing statements were extremely dishonest and do not reflect the evidence of the trial. They were charismatic, though.
@@akivaweil5066 nah, prosecutors closing was on key. Defenses closing was staggered dog shit.
@@akivaweil5066 Their closing was pretty good at the beginning but became aimless and confusing about halfway in. The defense had a better closing overall but suffered from similar problems of becoming meandering after a while. But what really sticks out as the highlight of that day was the rebuttal. I don't see how anyone can contest their arguments anymore, the ones that really convinced me were "he brought a gun to a fist fight and was too cowardly to use his fists to fight his way out" and my favorite "Everyone takes a beating sometimes", I've never heard such good arguments before.
@@roaringodin9292 Agreed
Its reasonable to me to defend your personal property with force, its a physical representation of life you have sacrificed for the money to buy said property
All six pixels of it.
Which, if true, would show right handed Kyle holding the rifle left handed 🙄.
How could they put this up as evidence. I know they're soulless but aren't they EMBARRASSED.
It seems clear that they're used to being baby handled in theses processes that literally determines what happens to you for the rest of your life..
Baffling but as I understand corruption it's only a matter of time before this sort of thing would have formed naturally.
Bro August what’s with the Destiny soyface in every thumbnail recently lmao
East coast watching this video instead of sleeping gang wya
SC
Lol, not me
I feel like the prosecution tried to have a Perry Mason moment with this video and cropped in photo.. to me they just solidified his self defense claim more. He’s not in any kind of way brandishing the gun. The drone video shows more clearly how Rosenbaum charges after him and reaches for the gun BEFORE kyle shoots. I don’t see at all what prosecutors are trying to show here. I’m guessing neither did the jurors? Obviously?
Taking the law into his own hands would be arresting the man. Going to use a fire extinguisher to put out a fire and stop damage to a structure or private property is not taking the law into his own hands. Unless he used the rifle prior to his life being in danger.
I got clickbaited ;.;
Well fuck, I guess I’m not gonna go to bed anymore.
Me too :(
hope nobody dies at work tomorrow
Guess I'm taking an extended lunch
Yeah listening to this while working hasn't turned out great for my amount of work done either. Guess I'll be making some extra hours to make up.
I’m guessing a mistrial. Either way, Kyle benefits. A mistrial with prejudice, he walks. A normal mistrial, the state MAY press charges again, and the defense (hopefully a new one) will be more prepared. It’s obvious that the prosecutor and defense are begging the judge for a mistrial right now, and the judge is just not granting it. The prosecution has blatantly overstepped the line multiple times.
The judge said he's gonna wait for the outcome of the jury. So I'm guessing if they find him guilty of anything he'll give the defense a mistrial.
@@toasterlordtoasterlord4224 oh gotcha! Thanks for that. It’s so hard to keep up with it all. I’ve been having it on the background while I work so I don’t catch it all. I was watching a RUclips channel with a bunch of lawyers discussing the case as well. Rekieta Law, I think it’s called. It was interesting hearing their input on the case
@@zarka223
It’s over, they acquitted him on all charges
@@gamingwhilebroken2355 I saw that! I was not expecting that, but it is what it is, I guess! Cheers, buddy
That's funny because the prosecution literally lied throughout the entire closing arguments
Re: "Can a jury decide to convict even where the evidence is overwhelmingly indicative that they should not?"
Yes. But there is also a motion for "Judgement Notwithstanding the Verdict," or JNOV. The motion can be made prior to the jury's deliberations, and even if the Judge declines the motion, it can be re-asserted after the jury has made their verdict, as long as it was made prior to deliberations. The Judge can then decide to set aside the motion.
Bro chill with the clickbait.
This case is just a great example of "Stay the fuck home" like if the fate of the rest of your life is going to come down to pixels..just stay home when big events like protests and riots happen. Just mind your own business.
Or just don’t bring a fucking rifle, lol
its weird cause yesterday before the clearer video was even known i saw the fucked up video yesterday and i was like bruh like this shit LOOKS compressed there has to be an original somewhere and that shit popped up today like i legit feel like im living in a simulation
Prosocution stating the rifle was illegal in closing statements (after it had already been ruled on) is super sketchy in any other court case. This entire trial is really messed up and terrifies me as a gun owner.
It was illegal for him to possess the weapon.
Because its all theatrics, there are 100 other horrifying cases a day magnitudes more depressing and shocking than this but because it involves someone standing up to the so called "protesters" who wanted to burn and loot local communities, Kyle is seen as bad. Its culture war crap and anti-gin nutters creamed their pants at another chane to use a tragedy to their agenda of stripping away more rights from citizens to defend themselves.
@@EsotericOccultist was it his rifle? Was he 17?
@@deankruse2891 go watch the case before forming opinions like this.
@@HugeCockAndBalls sorry dude, was he the legal owner of the weapon? Yes/no? Was he underage? Yes/no
Asian comment didn't even sound like a joke. I don't like this judge much but that genuinely sounded like a man who was like "please God tell me the delivery guy didn't take that route or I'm going to be really late for the trial because of lunch"
seemed like a nothing comment to me...but idk the significance of asians and boats
@@davemanning4005 the port near them is backed up af
There is such a wide range of arguments to think about after watching this whole video, listening to several of your debates and other sources of info. I respect your general perspective, especially on this case, I’d LOVE it if you would explain you point of view on a wide variety of topics with sources a thorough as this.
No, I think Grossgreutz was definitely trying to kill him. Kyle tells grossgreutz he's going to the police and grossgreutz actively tries to stop this and then pulls his gun on him.
trying to kill him, by not using the gun he had which he could of shot rittenhouse in the back or any other opertunity he had.
@@dabblerdeluxe775 other than the time he doesn't actually know what Kyle has done, when did he have another time to shoot him?
@@azn2xcbbjai the entire situation he had more then enough time to shoot him, not sure what you mean? Then when Rittenhouses rifle jammed he was basically trying to stop him without just using the gun he had in his hand.
plenty of others were armed that night apparently but only 1 shooter which was rittenhouse so I think he was doing what he came to do.
Plus there was that video 2 weeks before were he was on video talking about shooting those black guys shopping at CVX "I wish I had a rifle right now so I could shoot them all" then 2 weeks he was there doing it. Then after he did it what was he doing after getting out of Jail? Hanging out in a bar with proudboys flashign signs with a smile on his face, he got what he wanted out of all this.
@@dabblerdeluxe775 The video of Kyle saying that at the store has absolutely no relevance to the events of that night. In that video, Kyle didn’t have his gun, isn’t being chased, isn’t attacked, and doesn’t have to run away from a violent mob. Him talking shit around his friends that the people he apparently threatened and never heard has no relevance to the lawful self-defence he had to use against those rioters who attacked him. If your best evidence of him being a bad guy was meeting some people in a bar, then you’re going to have to prove that
A: He knew about the proud boys before the shooting
B: He knew that the people at that bar were proud boys either during the meet-up or before.
C: That he knew that idiots like you think the Ok hand gesture is a white supremacist symbol because you all turned a 4chan prank into what you genuinely believe.
D: Any of that prior stuff waves his right to self-defence while someone grabs his gun, and then a mob attacks him.
So far, you’ve not met any of those basic requirements, so all you can do is cast baseless conjecture in the hopes to smear someone you don’t like.
Kyle wasn’t the only shooter that night. Before he even fired, Joshua Ziminski fired his pistol in the air moments before Rosenbaum lunged to steal Kyle’s weapon. Being charitable to you, I’ll assume you mean that he was the only person that killed anyone that night, which is true. Only Kyle killed anyone that night, but only Kyle was attacked by a man who reached for his gun and had threatened to kill Kyle if he found him alone, only Kyle was chased by a mob yelling “cranium that motherfucker” and “beat his ass” while that mob chased him for multiple blocks, only Kyle was hit multiple times by with a skateboard and kicked in the head, and only Kyle had someone fake surrendering and pointed a gun at his head.
There’s no evidence that Kyle’s gun jammed at all. If it did, then there would have to be alive round at the scene. Since the detectives happened to find every single round that Kyle has been alleged to have fired at the place they were alleged to be fired, what happened to that bullet that would actually confirm your bullshit lie to be true. At that close a range, even using one hand, Grosskreutz was absolutely capable of hitting Rittenhouse and might not have been able to unless he actually got as close as he did. Grosskreutz even admitted on the stand that Kyle didn’t shoot at him until Grosskreutz pointed the gun at his head. Kyle was willing to let him back off while Grosskreutz decided to attempt to murder Kyle. Grosskreutz also knew that Kyle would turn himself into the police because of a brief conversation they had before Grosskreutz decided to join that violent mob. He must have been able to see the police lights that Kyle was running towards before Kyle was forced to the floor due to a person hitting him. When watching the video of Grosskreutz being shot, you’ll notice that Kyle’s gun wasn’t even pointed at him. It was pointed at the ground until Grosskreutz started to aim at his head (Grosskreutz, funny enough, was the person not legally allowed to carry a gun out of the two of them). Also, Grosskreutz didn’t have plenty of time, it was a fraction of a second between Grosskreutz pointing the gun at Kyle and Kyle shooting, it’s not like he was just staring at Kyle for 15 seconds and then Kyle shot him, it was literally a split second action and Grosskreutz roommate posted to social media that he had spoken to Grosskreutz and that his only regret was to “not emptying the entire mag into him [Kyle Rittenhouse]”.
Stop being a delusional partisan, and if a protestor were in the same position, I’d absolutely be arguing it was self-defence.
@@DeansDiscourse everyone Talks shit but not everyone finds themselves in the situation 2 weeks later with a loaded rifle.
Self defense ceases when you either intentional provoke or knowingly create a situation were lethal force is used such as the case recently were the home owner shot to teenagers breaking into his house who was sentenced to life.
Give a rest to the "the OK symbol is just a 4chan prank" sorry but if the far right/white supremacist coopt a symbol to 'trigger the libs' or whatever it becomes a far right/white supremacist symbol because THATS HOW SYMBOLS WORK!
The only question here and what will determine between self defense and homicide is did he go there and enter that crowd with the hope or intentional wreckless behavior in which violence was required.
The fact these things have to be explained is ridiculous and it really is only because the far right has turned Kyle into some kind of symbol, that he was just a good boy who found himself far away from home in the middle of chaos with a loaded rifle, that isn't how a normal person sees it.
Just to speak on what the prosecutor was trying with the judge, he was hoping (stupidly) that it would be better to ask for forgiveness rather than permission. Judges have A LOT of leeway to fuck up your case based on a whim. He should have known better and definitely deserved a chewing out. Another thing I wanted to touch on is that it was a VERY good play by the defense to have Kyle take the stand. Juries and judges are looking at the defendants emotional state all the time, and him showing genuine emotions (and yes, I do think he's experiencing genuine trauma) shows both parties that this is not the outcome he wanted
It was brave having Kyle take stand wow
And the Rittenhouse arc continues...
8 rittenhouse video 8 straight days in a row
The number of lefties who think 4 feet (ignoring within 4 feet) makes it impossible to grab a gun when the AR itself is >24 inches and my arm length is >24 inches, and Rosenbaum was lunging... is sorta funny
40:50 apart from the artifact(WHITE BLOB) which Binger has been priming everyone to believe is the barrel supporting arm of Rittenhouse, do notice that the distinct bend in the arm one gets when holding the rifle grip is usually on the right side of people who are right handed(on the blurry video however it is on the left side of Kyle) AND KYLE IS RIGHT HANDED (as seen in umpteen clearer videos of the day).
So the prosecution is either reading it wrong and have succumbed to confirmation bias or are straight up lying.
They did hide the HD video from the defence so I'm guessing they are upto no good.
I thought about that also and I can't imagine using the "wrong" arm. It feels so unnatural I would need a second or two to find a grip, definitely not in one smooth motion.
@@markyonline1 not even to mention how tight his sling was so he would have to shift the whole rig twice in a very short period of time. The case on rosenbaum has been over since the drone footage in my mind. He ran past Kyle and hid behind some cars and only came up behind him when the ziminiskis confronted him. I can only call that an ambush
"hide" that's not true as far as I know where's the evidence.
@@SoldierGeneral64 note sure if Kraus just boomered the evidence fuckup, or did it on purpose, but they definitely fucked up. It's also weird that the guy had very specific editing software on his laptop (caught on the video).
@@markyonline1 It appears prosecution made many mistakes, e.g. no expert witness. Defense has access to evidence as well.
About Ziminsky: he cannot be brought to testify by the defense because the prosecution (same individual) has him on arson charges so he would self incriminate. 5th amendment.
However, if the prosecution wanted him to testify they could have expedited his trial (they actually intentionally adjourned it until the end of KR's), given him immunity or dropped the charges.
So the bottom line is Ziminsky couldn't testify because the prosecution didn't want him to.
Cause it woulda ruined the prosecutions case completely and probably shown baum and zim setting a trap fer kyle
I'm from Europe, from Italy to be exact and I am about to finish law school. I think that if destiny is right about saying that "anything can happen in jury trial" is a little bit fucked up. A verdict should be based on the evidences and not about the feelings of the jury. Idk, I'm not knowledgeable about US court system though
I'm not a law expert by any means, but I think its just theoretically possible. The lawyers are also involved in jury selection, which has its own problems. And I believe jury decisions have to be unanimous. And if with all that and hearing the evidence, the jury comes to an unjust decision, then the defendant can file for an appeal. I would think the prosecution could call a mistrial as well
Look up jury nullification if you have not heard of it! Unlikely to be relevant to this case but its an interesting but rare thing that can happen with juries,
It’s not true, a judge can overturn a blatantly unreasonable jury guilty verdict (see judgement as a matter of law). On the other hand, you can never be sure of a conviction since the jury is within its rights to say not guilty, even if guilt is clear.
Well, have you seen Chauvin's trial, guilty on all 3 charges.
Is there a video compilation of all the videos from the night that destiny isn't showing? Trying to find them all in the trial is tricky.
Applauding vets is common. Especially in airports. It became popular during the iraq war and is one of the most uncomfortable andawkward situations i have ever been in. For anyone who cares, please dont thank us for our service its is extremely awkward for many of us. Instead phrase it like " i appreciate your service" instead of thank you. it gives us the opportunity to say thank you instead of " your welcome" which is an extremely uncomfortable position to be in considering the size of the military.
Thank you for that. I have always felt slightly awkward in that situation. I will follow your advice in the future (if I ever leave my house cuz COVID-19 😏) ❤️✌️
I really hate it when people clap for me, but I also don't want to blame the people who do it, they don't mean any harm. I feel the same way about "thank you for your service"
Clearly self defense. Anti-gun ppl already won due to the fact this case is popular nationwide . The message is " if you defend yourself with a firearm, this can happen to you "
While MSNBC is saying this case is "proof that white supremacists can gun down anyone they want with no consequences"
Anti-gun people lmao aka any reasonable person who doesn't want people get killed for no fucking reason like in this case
Ummm but it should happen if you shoot three people. It’s called the legal system and it exists for a reason. The consequences of boisterously toting a gun around in public and then using that gun, should be, at the very least, weighed in court. you believe that this case doesn’t deserve to be heard? Gun ownership is a serious responsibility, this is a fair consequence of killing 2.
That's what I've been saying. As a lefty, the fact this went to trial is great. It means that if you 'act in self-defense' you are going to need to defend that in a court and probably with a global audience.
The lefties that say a not-guilty verdict would set a bad precedent are just nuts. This trial in and of itself is a huge deterrent to just go and, air quote, "act in self-defense".
@@tvojemanka wdym no reason they attacked somebody with a gun pointing at them
Weird how the one instance they can find to try and claim he's pointing the gun at someone (prior to everything popping off with Rosenbaum chasing him) would also happen to be the one and only instance the entire night that he would have been holding his gun with a left handed hold.
Last time I came this early my gf was visibly annoyed but also said it happens from time to time...
I feel shocked and betrayed by the title of the video, I can't believe Destiny would force poor August to use such a click bait title. Baiting clicks is a betrayal of trust I will only be watching Destiny content now through Adblock and Vaush reaction videos.
every time I see new video evidence, I feel the need to recheck prescription of my glasses because I can't see shit in those frames.
That "most important piece of evidence", i wouldn't be able to trust after catching a bit of the trial yesterday. The prosecution provided a different version to the defense and didn't verify who delivered it.
The jury doesn’t know about that whole situation though. The bad part about it is that Kyle’s rights were violated. The state has the responsibility to ensure that the defense has all evidence that is going to be presented in the trial, and they did not. It’s not the defenses responsibility to ask for something that they couldn’t possibly know exists.
Just another point towards appeal.
@@jth_printed_designs Yeah, which is why I at this point, regardless of the facts of the case, is in favour of a mistrial with prejudice.
As I understand, the video was revealed to the prosecution after the trial started. I believe they originally got a lower quality video as well, and eventually obtained a higher quality file from the drone operator.
Apparently it was the mail App or Airdrop on iPhone which compressed the video.
Comedy of errors, and some willful perversion of the situation all around.
@@brianadams8832 With different file name and meta data? That's not an accident. Not when the prosecutor have two different encoding/editing softwares on his computer.
@@Raigan_Avalon idk about metadata. I didn't state that. Apparently some counties and states have a Dropbox like system for this sort of stuff, but wasn't available here. So individual means were taken. I can easily see this as accidental. Considering tech ignorance, and the fact prosecution even had to go back and get a higher quality video.
No doubt the defense has exploited the situation whether unintentional or not.
I love supporting your work and being a subscriber of yours but what really irritates me is when you feel like you have the nerve and the ability to speak on something when you didn't even give it the full time of day. You refuse to watch all 10 or 12 days of the trial. If you did then you wouldn't be making such outlandish comments saying oh well maybe Kyle started the problem or maybe this maybe that, if you read and watched the trial every day it was on from the beginning to the end, then you would know everything you need to know. Kyle was running from Rosenbaum because in the clip that you showed you can see something shiny right near Kyle as soon as he starts to run away from Rosenbaum. Later in the trial it comes out that he was whipping a chain like a circle in his hand. He had a doubled up huge stainless steel chain walking around threatening Kyle with it and that's why he started running from him. And the autopsy photos in the trial show that Rosenbaum is missing his fingers and has gunpowder on his hand because he tried to grab Kyle's gun out of his grip and Kyle fired his gun because Rosenbaum went for it. and there was a solid wall behind kyle, he had nowhere else to run so he was cornered. You would know all this if you watched the trial. It could be tedious work but you can just watch and listen to it in the background while doing something else and in the long run it'll help you and benefit you because you'll be able to tell your subscribers the information they want rather than guessing all the damn time. Not that hard
I disagree with destiny on a lot, but he argues in good faith and I respect that...get some sleep dude
Which opinions do you disagree?
Almost anyone experienced with the criminal justice system where i am in Miami, meaning anyone who has been arrested or been in jail or on probation, has told me between 5 years probation and a year or 2 in prison they will almost always choose the time inside because probation is SOOOO easy to fail for the smallest bullshit reasons. Certain traffic things CAN violate your probation, they have to call your job, your landlord, everything sucks on probation.
August is cringe for that clickbait title and thumbnail then reuploading the same video from earlier this week
“Bro you’re experiencing psychosis”
-runs to bathroom lmao 🤣
Get some sleep folks, yall can watch tomorrow ;)
Thx fam
Absolutely NOT
Yor mom
You're not the boss of me.
7:00 all the conservatives I know supported Kenneth Walker's defense of his home against the police. Literally never heard anyone say he should have been charged.
I think he did it on purpose. He's taking a chance to get the jury to hear it because it indicates a clear motive. He gambled.
Planting seed of suspicious character of Kyle. That is more harmful then actually presenting as jury know something is off with character.
You call it a gamble. I call it unethical and grounds for being disbarred.
This prosecutor is an absolute piece of garbage, who is trying to destroy a kid's life, in an unethical manner, likely for political reasons.
I wonder if his logic on self defense would change if he was the one being chased by a mob and hit by skateboards.. it would be an interesting experiment..
@@falseprophet1024 Its clear that kid went there hoping to kill someone. If he had not been there, no one would be dead and this trial would not be happening.
@@Jay-wr1wh
Ps. If they hadnt attacked him, nobody would be dead either, even if he was there...
You strike me as a piece of shit that should be part of the same experiment as the prosecutor... i imagine youd magically think self defense was a thing, as soon as a mob chased you down and started beating you with their skateboards and pointing guns at you...
@@Jay-wr1wh Even if he wanted to kill everyone there, he didn't instigate anything so there was no reason to attack him. Thus he acted in self defense.
Allow me to summarize the prosecution's "pinch and zoom" claim:
- play the video
-now pause
-now close one eye and squint really hard, can you see the unicorn?
Defence: objection your honer, this is not valid evidence
Prosecutor: your honer, I think we are all familiar with how when you squint, you can see things that aren't really there, this is not something new I am introducing.
A video clip would have to be extremely detailed and salacious, a far cry from what actually has been presented, for me to change my opinion that kyle was the victim of a violent incident that night. No video exist of him acting provocatively, with malice, with prejudice. Richie McGinnis was essentially vlogging the movements of kyle acting as a 3rd party subjective witness, not once in all the hours of testimony, video recording, written articles and interviews given by McGinnis even lightly touches on kyle being an aggressor in any way. McGinnis interviewed kyle less then 14 minutes before the first shooting, there isn't even a throw away line such as "kyle was ignorant to how his actions could be seen as threatening" or "I don't think he meant it but his tone was very aggressive" instead we are painted the scene of a naive 17 year old who wrongly assumes that his exposed rifle and non threatening demeanor give him immunity from the violent ill intent that was growing around him. Wat McGinnis does point out however is something far far more insidious and dark, he has found himself in more than 1 dangerous situation being a reporter on the ground covering many large gatherings and upheaval, he was able to.immediatly identify the warning signs popping up all around him. I can imagine it now, the body language, the posturing, the tone of the crowd, the Erie silence that happens when men are taking position and preparing for battle. He saw faces start to go from uncovered to covered, he saw hands disappearing from view, veins start to bulge with increasing bloodpressure and the abjecation of responsibility that plagues mob mentality building. He knew before anything had happend that kyle was likely already gleefully participating in his own death. What ever happend after this is irrelevant to me the.ziminskis and Joe Rosenbaum have already begun thier offensive attack. People have this stupid idea that aggression can only be acted out physically or verbally. Ask a female who is cornered I a dark alley, her route to escape blocked and the men tightening in on her position if it matters what they said or weather they hit her or weather it was scary enough on its own. I kno men who are scary enough to make you shake without saying a word. If I enact a plot to harm someone but we don't raise our voice and we don't strike anyone physically does that mean my actions were not malicious and with ill intent? Had Rosenbaum and ziminksi not hatched thier plot kyle would have gone home that night and noone would even know his name. We only know him and are able to judge his actions because he was attacked. Its victim blaming and its disgusting
They must prove a defendant is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt unless they are a minority or dirt poor then they are guilty until proven innocent.
I’ve just wanted to ask a question, legally no you can’t use deadly force to protect property, only in situation where there is risk of bodily harm/death to yourself. And I agree we shouldn’t just jump to shooting someone because someone stole a candy bar.
However this feels like it creates a weird situation, where we argue that just having a firearm can deter crime from taking place, and for the most part that’s true..but if someone who wants to rob/steal/destroy stuff knows you Can’t legally use force, it stops being a deterrent
Can we really argue that’s it fair, if the police wouldn’t stop that behavior that a person is just suppose to allow it to happen to their property?
Nah, you should legally be able to use whatever force is required to stop a crime if you have good reason to believe that they are committing a crime. If it’s something like a candy bar, you probably shouldn’t do that morally, but you should be able to legally. I just can’t have that much sympathy for a thief when they are shot for thieving.
No a bunch of the culture warrior nutjobs coming to this channel to do their victory laps absolutely believe in killing people over two dollars, one already replied to you. Blows my mind that they apparently believe Rittenhouse's PTSD is real but also think killing people over shit like candy bars or even TVs is based and to be celebrated.
Before anyone crawls up my ass over this I believe his PTSD is likely real. Its also proof that killing other human beings fucks with you severely even if you are 100% legally and morally in the right to do so. Look at soldiers, not just in more messy modern wars but literally any of them. You guys really think Rittenhouse wouldn't change a single one of his actions that night, that if he is acquitted any nightmares he's having are just going to stop when the trial does?
@@matrixfan58 I didn’t say it was “based and should be celebrated”. I literally said it’d be immoral, but it should be legal. Reason why I think it should be legal is because of how incredibly hard it is to draw the line.
@@matrixfan58 also “coming to this channel” like this isn’t a take destiny has had, I remember shit before about him talking about the need to be able to kill someone over a blade of grass with a couple of lawyers.
In texas you can shoot em for property i think
The castle doctrine conversation is kind of important because that’s the same issue the Koreans had in the LA riots
Clickbaitstiny go burrrrr~
Lol the intro is so convincing tho 🤣🤣
It was self defense. Period
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Very Fair Trial and Judge ✊
Meanwhile, the judge: “a Black, the Black, the only Black” 😂😂😂😂
nice name lmao
Ooooh this one's fresh, baby
I'm curious on Destiny's thoughts about apocalypse now.
Is Kyle's defense team local or did he bring in people? It's very likely that the judge and prosecutor socialize outside the courtroom. Often times well known defense attorneys in courts are also in those social groups
Kyle defense team chose by former navy seal who took Rittenhouse family under his wing. See Barnes' videos, defense is awful
@@muskepticsometimes9133 are they on here or twitch?
Edit- nvm found it...perfect thing to listen to at work today thank you!
I’m from a hispanic household so this might be different, but god damn my mom would remove the skin from my ass via sandal if she caught wind that I wanted to go play field medic at an active riot. At SEVENTEEN.
My mom too n likely Kyle's mom.
Remember that CNN called this s protest n Gov Evers called it first amendment event. To some extent you're using hindsite - easy to say now.
Also shootings had nothing to do e age. Attackers started all conflicts, Kyle tried to run, and only shot attackers, and at last moment. Kyle's behavior exemplary even for adult.
🤣 did Destiny just rub his eyes a la snotty-nosed kid style? 🤣
29:41
29:41 When Vaush outpaces you intellectually
Remember guys, if we lived in the cartoon world that the prosecutor imagines that we do
if it "isn't your job" you don't have the freedom to do it and should be at home instead no matter what. To the thread of being put behind bars your whole life.
The zaminkys threw a bag at him to get his attention. As soon as Kyle Rittenhouse turned around to see, he noticed them chasing after him. He drops his fire extinguisher and tries to deter then from chasing him. He realizes Rosenbaum doesn't stop and that's when he shoots him. We've seen footage of all of this and the prosecutors want to twist it around and say that Kyle was chasing rosembaum. This is ridiculous.
@@gmz1 hot take, too many people would have seen the mob and fired into it out of fear.
It really is though. This is cut and dry of self defense. Let's say for whatever reason it wasn't, he killed a child rapist, wounded another known criminal and killed another criminal who likes strangling his victims. Their criminal sheet is public. To anyone who doesn't believe me, just look up their names and their crimes. Kyle is a fucking hero in my book. Also, the timing of the dude getting out of the mental ward a month before isn't just a coincidence.
Submit to the mob, p-please. I wonder if Kyle was a woman would the framing of this change. Known pedo stalking teenage girl. Everyone and their mother would be on the self defense train. Maybe the defense shoulda had kyle come out as trans for woke points.
Let's say a guy goes to the zoo with a gun, jumps into a lion exhibit, and proceeds to shoot every lion that approaches him, self-defense right?
What a dumb comparison. Are you implying the protestors are animals who purely act on instinct?
@@iconicphone232 this is what your brain looks like on destiny's content.
Nah man your not getting it. He went there to protect his childhood dave and busters, it means a lot to him. This allows him to dome two people and get away with it.
@@Jarjarbinks683 If you're exercising your second amendment right to bear arms in a legal manner and someone reacts negatively to that and attacks you, that's their fault for doing so.
@@iconicphone232 Year ago but I don’t care because the previous two comments are filled with such rampant brain dead bs I had to say something. Firstly, yea I agree with you comment Iconic Phone. You cannot attack someone exercising their right to carry and be surprised when they defend themselves. “But the lives lost!” Well probably shouldn’t have attacked him then. If they didn’t care about their own mortality why should I? It’s pretty much natural selection at work at that point. Also the guy who said about going to a Zoo with a gun (that’s illegal btw) then breaking into an exhibit (that’s illegal btw) then reacting to….lions (lions are not equivalent to humans as they don’t posses the same reasoning capability) and sh**ting them (sad, a lion died, but you’d place a wild animal over a person? No matter how dumb they are? Hm and here I thought they cared about the sanctity of human life).
Apparently, Iconic Phone, you’re one of the few people that have common sense.
As soon as I got out of basic and ait I was on a plane during christmas and was actually moved to tears as the pilots had the whole plane clap and recongnize me and another buddy as the plane landed...so it does happen and its very overwhelming....we werent even veterans at the time
Same thing happened to me, but I never felt overwhelmed. Having your peers bully you changes how you feel about others praising you for your service.
Thank you for your service, hero
@@mito._ thank you for your service, hero
When I got a plane to my next duty station the pilot that recognized us, praised us all and I kept thinking was the only productive thing I done thus far was cleaning the barracks while at A school.
I hated when people did that shit. I was just a kid who wanted free college. The one time I got a first class seat was nice, though.
Prosecution looks and acts like the hammer tech dude from iron man
it amazes me that people will hear someone say a normal light hearted sentence about lunch but somehow in their mind, they hear it as an obscure stereotypical racist insult… i think it’s clear who are the ones that are actually harboring deep seeded subconscious racism and bias in their minds to be able to seek out what they specifically wanted to hear.
Oh that's a bingo.
The one thing i find biased here is that the judge ruled against that last piece of evidence of Kyle saying to his friend he wished he had his AR so he could shot them.
It's a very weird train of thought that because Kyle did in fact not act there and called 911 instead it somehow means he's not prone to vigilantism.
I mean he's literally saying he would shot them if he could and the fact he didn't shot them might well be because he didn't have his gun. This could of course just be young men acting tough and doesn't prove anything but i don't see why the jury wouldn't be the ones to decide that?
I saw the hearing. Basically the CVS thing was different place n time, and likely just teen talk. Pretty much video n witness evidence show us Kyle was defending himself.
Note judge did not allow attackers criminal record. This is huge esp for Rbaum the child rapist.
He didn't say, "If I had my gun, I would get them to chase after me, and then shoot them and claim self-defense." So it has zero relevance to this case.
@44:00 That was such crap, first of all, prosecutor was just being a big baby that he got reemed and probaby got trashed on twitter and saw it. He comes back and objects to something that is really small and claims judge isn't following his own rules when it was real unclear and funny wording over the objection. What people don't mention is THAT THE JUDGE GRANTS HIS OBJECTION.
There is evidence (an unfired round from Grosskreutz's pistol found at the scene) to suggest that Grosskreutz tried to shoot Rittenhouse but the pistol misfired and he lowered it to cycle it before he could shoot him.
Did he say prior act evidence? All of the guys that attack Rittenhouse have large criminal background. Rittenhouse on the other hand has a clean and admirable background. Bicept guy got his 2nd DUI right before the Kenosha incident.
And Rittenhouse knows this as he's responding... how exactly?
In that moment, Rittenhouse has no context to make an assumption of that sort.
@@liam-398 this is to stupid to respond to.
That’s just irrelevant to everything
@@Marqrk its almost as if i responding to that argument and showing why its such a poor argument for the prosecution to use.
Kyle said "i wish i had my Censored word." Well if thats valid then his assailants past transgression ought to be valid as well. Theyre both the "He's no angel" argument.
The second DUI is curious though. Most of the time the second DUI is a very serious offense. Yet, his was somehow dismissed on a technicality
STOP USING THAT FACE IN THE THUMBAIL REEEEEE