Johan van Graan is amazing value. Brilliant insights and has wonderful clarity about his contributions and the game. As a Stormer's supporter, I didn't know too much about him. I will be watching him more closely now because there is something special about him which will likely lead to bigger things.
Johan van Graan is clearly a remarkable human being with lots of experience.Treats people with respect and also works on leaving his players as better human beings at the end of every day.Great interview.
What an impressive guy. The detail is incredible. I played in the 90's totally different game now. This guy is clearly going places. Maybe unpopular to say but an option as an English coach for the future
Great show gents, what a guest! Always admired and respected Johann van Graan, you’ve gotta love a guy who loves rugby like this. So knowledgeable and respectful.
Wow!! how good was that?! - I'm a South African who loves rugby and I've never heard Johann say more than a few post match comments. What an interesting bloke. Good job GBR!
Bath are not only a sleeping giant domestically but on the European stage also they should be in the later stages every year for the European cup, big financial backing, huge support and very shortly a big station in rugby terms. He has been the first head coach in a long time to kick Bath into gear and establish a winning mentality that has been lacking for a long time. Long may it continue
What great value - didn’t think I could listen to someone for that long but I was totally engrossed (even if grossed out by Tindall). Let’s hope he is in contention for Boks coach in future.
So well-spoken and what a sharp mind, would love to see Johann return to the Boks as head coach one day, with Rassie remaining as the Director of Rugby post 2027 WC.
Johann van Graan shows in this interview the contrast between the South African and the English rugby mentality... And as much as the England boys are agreeing with his perspectives, English rugby/journalists/fans never seem to want to learn. Just look at how they are calling for Borthwick's head now - even though he just took over from Eddie Jones! The cycle continues... They have no patience. They look at a game like the one against Australia and see it as some kind of disaster, while neutral viewers saw it as a brilliant test match played at a very high level by TWO teams, with one edging it in the end. But now there are calls to fire their coach! Wtf... What happened to KEEP CALM AND CARRY ON? Because that is exactly what they should be doing. However, the fact that they got Felix Jones (huge coup), but then the players or whoever didn't like this or that about him, just shows that this over-sensitive + closed-minded mentality is still their biggest Achilles heel. Because if they actually manage to get a great coach, it is almost guaranteed that some English players will have some kind of issue with him the moment he starts telling them what to do... For example, I think Jake White would've been a perfect match for England (as opposed to Eddie Jones at the time)... But he is a school master type coach, so you can be sure the English players would've had a problem with him as well. And even if they get someone like Jaques Nienaber or Rassie Erasmus, you can be sure they won't last for month. English players just have too many hang-ups, are too self-centred, too easily offended and too unwilling to change their ways.
That's a lot of assumptions and generalisations your making . Why do you think rugby media platform content and opinions by some fans on social media are somehow indicative of a difference in' South African and English Rugby Mentality 'whatever that is ? As for calling for Bortwicks head that what media and fans fo if the team start losing. It happens everywhere, before Rassie Bok fans were demanding Peter de Villiers be sacked, this year Jack White got the brunt of South African media aad fans when he focused the Bulls on the URC and gave up on the European Champions champions cup. Ian Foster got in last year in NZ It's nothing new! Felix Jones didn't like how Borthwick ran his set upand resigned,bad for England especially as the players liked and bought into his ideas . Coaches come and go , it's not unusual. Do you really believe that making up stories about the England players rejecting FJ make your own assumptions any more credible . As for Jack White, he was never going to get the England job , what rubbish . England rugby players are no different from players from other teams, they are elite they follow their coaches game plan . Honestly I don't understand how you could actually believe what your writing. I get you believe that this 'rugby mentality' is somehow geographicaly and culturally based. I understand also that your criticism of English management should not be compared with similar instances in South African rugby . I also get that you seem to think that media platforms on social media and fans posting on social media are somehow representative of English Rugby. Also that all English players are conceited and easily offended apparently any more than anybody else . If you chose to believe and express tired national stereotypes about players from different teams that's up to you . I'm not even English but sporting banter aside noone actually believes that sort of rubbish.
@Tins you’re a great sport. Thanks for giving props to the Bokke. And also at your recent event in Bath for Bath Rugby I asked my wife to ask you about your comments on the Boks before the 2019 final 😂 You answered her impeccably. Do you remember! 👍👍 Big fan. Thanks for the pod. Van Graan is an amazing thinker!
No the difference is that you can't enjoy a light hearted conversation on a podcast without desperatly looking to find something to be offended by. The Boks are a magnificent team, with a reputation of being intelligent, resiliant humble and respectful . It's a shame that you don't seem have any of these attributes the Boks have if you managed to find offence in that content. That's embarrassing
These guys were strong defenders of Eddie Jones even during his darkest days as England Coach since Haskell was a a huge supporter of his. They even defended him after his sacking, so this isn’t anything new from them
how can you not defend him. why does he even need defending. this is not a war. Graan states clearly at teh outset both games lost by single points in last seconds and all 3 teams are very close in quality.
I’ve been thinking about who could coach the Boks after Rassie… I figured it’d be a Johann. Van Graan or Ackermann. But the way the former goes about things, I now know who I’d prefer. He also seems like someone who would let his intrusive thoughts win, at least once, and pick a Bok team where everyone but the 9 weigh 95kgs and above.
@FrancisDietPodcast Got to love the English attitude, must be a wash over from Empire days. So to take your logic about rugby players being pro, then every proffesional player should win every game. How is that possible when your opponent is also a proffesional player. Your reasoning breaks down very quickly. For an example, when an obese person goes on a diet, do they look thin the next day just because they are determined to lose weight? No, it takes months if not years to get into shape and stay in shape. Things take time bud...
@@cobusbrits2empire attitudes is a by gone era but may remain in some upper classes but certainly not from your everyday English person!Completely different country in comparison so that narrative is as old.
If you make the very plausible claim that Australia won because they were so well coached, surely it's also possible that England are not being coached well enough. In every press conference we are promised that England are getting better and better. 5 losses in the last 6 matches suggests otherwise. If New Zealand or South Africa had posted those stats, they'd already be looking for a new coach. It's so characteristically 'English' to not insist on excellence.
Bothwick is a good coach, but not a head coach, he's far too closed off and defensive, which causes a very limiting environment . Also stop fucking around with a team when it's winning, he wants cudoss for a supposed master stroke in changing the personnel, and get Arrundell back!
What great value - didn’t think I could listen to someone for that long but I was totally engrossed (even if grossed out by Tindall). Let’s hope he is in contention for Boks coach in future.
Which current club coach would you like to see take on an international role down the line?
O'Gara and Ackermann has to be in front of this line
England could do worse than hiring him...
@burningheart11 really good call, both great coaches . I woild add Mark Macall
Johan van Graan is amazing value. Brilliant insights and has wonderful clarity about his contributions and the game. As a Stormer's supporter, I didn't know too much about him. I will be watching him more closely now because there is something special about him which will likely lead to bigger things.
Ready for an international head coach role?
He was excellent. WOW, very impressive interview by van Graan
Wow what a coach,the enthusiasm is speaking about rugby you can feel the passion of the man, very impressed
@@GoodBadRugby Yes .. but in S.AFRICA only🤗
@@GoodBadRugbyJa!
As one of those long-suffering Bath fans, his tenure so far has exceeded my expectations. Seems like a great bloke and inspirational leader.
@timchippendale7160 Can Bath bring it home this year?
Johan van Graan is clearly a remarkable human being with lots of experience.Treats people with respect and also works on leaving his players as better human beings at the end of every day.Great interview.
Oh man Tindall was throwing up in his mouth speaking positively about the springboks. Love to see it!
Either that chair Tindall sat in was unflattering or Tind`s has doubled in size ?
@Mikeup104 He loves them really!
@@GoodBadRugby a story of tough love or??
It's Johan's clarity that sets him apart. Great show.
What a man ! What a interview ! Proudly South African !👏👏👏
Damn right. I am proudly English and i love this guy. He is a proper Rugby man.
What an impressive guy. The detail is incredible. I played in the 90's totally different game now. This guy is clearly going places. Maybe unpopular to say but an option as an English coach for the future
What an amazing listen. Passion for the beautiful game oozing through his pores! From a Saffa in London.
Bloody good interview and discussion boys!
Johann van Graan, Sounds very much like a coach the players will enjoy working with and playing for.
What an amazing show this week. Top class lads.
Thank you @mawgs3706! Great to hear it
Great interview 👍Really enjoyed the podcast! 🇿🇦👏
Great show, everyone! Sending love from Cape Town, South Africa.
Thanks Ryan! Any relation to RG? 👀
Best GBR ever. What an incredible coach!
this episode was so good I had to watch it twice!
What a rugby show! The good the bad and the Bokke🇿🇦💪💥🦌
Great show gents, what a guest! Always admired and respected Johann van Graan, you’ve gotta love a guy who loves rugby like this. So knowledgeable and respectful.
Wow!! how good was that?! - I'm a South African who loves rugby and I've never heard Johann say more than a few post match comments. What an interesting bloke. Good job GBR!
Thanks guys, great show and thanks to Johan
Wow, this is a good interview
Fantastic interview! Such a well balanced, experienced, positive coach and so passionate about the game we love. Thoroughly enjoyed that!
Great insight from Johan - great interview GBR!
Bath are not only a sleeping giant domestically but on the European stage also they should be in the later stages every year for the European cup, big financial backing, huge support and very shortly a big station in rugby terms. He has been the first head coach in a long time to kick Bath into gear and establish a winning mentality that has been lacking for a long time. Long may it continue
Man this guy is something else. Hopefully the next rsa coach
That Tribute to Siya from JvG had me teary-eyed!
What great value - didn’t think I could listen to someone for that long but I was totally engrossed (even if grossed out by Tindall). Let’s hope he is in contention for Boks coach in future.
Can easily see van Graan becoming Springbok head coach after the next World Cup cycle
Right on !!!
Or Englands...
@ would love that
Johann baie trots op jou....Proud South African
Great pod boys. Enjoyed that. JVG brilliant to listen to… Smart man. Could be a long afternoon for England on Saturday…
Next Springbok coach!!!!!! 🇿🇦♥
Would not mind that at all!
One of your best ever guests. So insightful.
JVG best interview I have ever seen
Johann what a legend!!
Brilliant Interview👏👏
Excellent interview and insights from JvG.
So well-spoken and what a sharp mind, would love to see Johann return to the Boks as head coach one day, with Rassie remaining as the Director of Rugby post 2027 WC.
Johann van Graan shows in this interview the contrast between the South African and the English rugby mentality... And as much as the England boys are agreeing with his perspectives, English rugby/journalists/fans never seem to want to learn. Just look at how they are calling for Borthwick's head now - even though he just took over from Eddie Jones! The cycle continues... They have no patience. They look at a game like the one against Australia and see it as some kind of disaster, while neutral viewers saw it as a brilliant test match played at a very high level by TWO teams, with one edging it in the end. But now there are calls to fire their coach! Wtf... What happened to KEEP CALM AND CARRY ON? Because that is exactly what they should be doing.
However, the fact that they got Felix Jones (huge coup), but then the players or whoever didn't like this or that about him, just shows that this over-sensitive + closed-minded mentality is still their biggest Achilles heel. Because if they actually manage to get a great coach, it is almost guaranteed that some English players will have some kind of issue with him the moment he starts telling them what to do...
For example, I think Jake White would've been a perfect match for England (as opposed to Eddie Jones at the time)... But he is a school master type coach, so you can be sure the English players would've had a problem with him as well. And even if they get someone like Jaques Nienaber or Rassie Erasmus, you can be sure they won't last for month. English players just have too many hang-ups, are too self-centred, too easily offended and too unwilling to change their ways.
how on earth do you know all this?
heaps of freely given assumptions right there
The "South African rugby mentality" if there is such a thing, can be as capricious, overly concerned with the short, and highly as any other.
That's a lot of assumptions and generalisations your making .
Why do you think rugby media platform content and opinions by some fans on social media are somehow indicative of a difference in' South African and English Rugby Mentality 'whatever that is ?
As for calling for Bortwicks head that what media and fans fo if the team start losing.
It happens everywhere, before Rassie Bok fans were demanding Peter de Villiers be sacked, this year Jack White got the brunt of South African media aad fans when he focused the Bulls on the URC and gave up on the European Champions champions cup. Ian Foster got in last year in NZ
It's nothing new!
Felix Jones didn't like how Borthwick ran his set upand resigned,bad for England especially as the players liked and bought into his ideas . Coaches come and go , it's not unusual.
Do you really believe that making up stories about the England players rejecting FJ make your own assumptions any more credible .
As for Jack White, he was never going to get the England job , what rubbish .
England rugby players are no different from players from other teams, they are elite they follow their coaches game plan .
Honestly I don't understand how you could actually believe what your writing. I get you believe that this 'rugby mentality' is somehow geographicaly and culturally based. I understand also that your criticism of English management should not be compared with similar instances in South African rugby .
I also get that you seem to think that media platforms on social media and fans posting on social media are somehow representative of English Rugby. Also that all English players are conceited and easily offended apparently any more than anybody else .
If you chose to believe and express tired national stereotypes about players from different teams that's up to you . I'm not even English but sporting banter aside noone actually believes that sort of rubbish.
@Tins you’re a great sport. Thanks for giving props to the Bokke. And also at your recent event in Bath for Bath Rugby I asked my wife to ask you about your comments on the Boks before the 2019 final 😂 You answered her impeccably. Do you remember! 👍👍 Big fan. Thanks for the pod. Van Graan is an amazing thinker!
That was fantastic
Great show lads
Terrific episode!
Next Springbok coach
Nice to sèe 3 original Gentleman back, brilliant interview..
Wow that was exceptional.
I see Mike Tindall was very quiet about the Boks, not even a question from him to Johan 😂😂😂
Took Haskell 102 minutes to say anything of any relevance ! apart from that it was a great episode, what a great coach and what a great mind
why make him small Does it make you bigger ?
Bit weird?
Johann has matured alot as a head coach 👍
Johan van Graan Great Guy👍💯
Great bloke
I can listen to him ...he could be a preacher
This is difference between Van graan and Tindell. We South Africans are humble and not arrogant. Proudly Springbok
No the difference is that you can't enjoy a light hearted conversation on a podcast without desperatly looking to find something to be offended by.
The Boks are a magnificent team, with a reputation of being intelligent, resiliant humble and respectful .
It's a shame that you don't seem have any of these attributes the Boks have if you managed to find offence in that content. That's embarrassing
It's a fine line between winning and losing a game of rugby. It's been named the equator.
Mike Tindalls analysis off the wall. Such a shame he doesn't want to be involved in top level coaching. Simplifies complicated concepts.
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baaaaah
Aap (Ape) van Graan to his friends 😄
So interesting re NFL - I know Rassie also draws a lot of inspiration from NFL. The rugby community could learn so much
Are you after the English coaching job ?
So if or when England get rid of Borthwick could we get Van Graan to take over?
Can you imagine when this man becomes the springbok coach, it’s so obvious that he will be…
Rassies successor? I hope so. He seems to have the intellect for it
Was this a job interview for the English coaching job?😉
Why is Alex wearing Hask's Jacket?
Will Johan be the next England coach after Saturday?
@@seamus9750 No! Pls not!!
JVG for English coach please. He actually seems to know something about the game.
Looks like there will be a new coach or management coming soon. South Africa will rather die than lose!
Isn’t it funny how the English media were after Eddie jones …look now 😂😂😂😂😂they are protecting borthwick!!!
These guys were strong defenders of Eddie Jones even during his darkest days as England Coach since Haskell was a a huge supporter of his. They even defended him after his sacking, so this isn’t anything new from them
how can you not defend him. why does he even need defending. this is not a war. Graan states clearly at teh outset both games lost by single points in last seconds and all 3 teams are very close in quality.
BATH LOVES JOHANN
I’ve been thinking about who could coach the Boks after Rassie… I figured it’d be a Johann. Van Graan or Ackermann. But the way the former goes about things, I now know who I’d prefer. He also seems like someone who would let his intrusive thoughts win, at least once, and pick a Bok team where everyone but the 9 weigh 95kgs and above.
What about Smith?
RFU here’s your replacement for Steve Borthwick…
nooit Hes coming home after Rassie
Borthwick is a good coach. Just need time to imbed and grow England into a force, not a thing quickly achieved.
Rubbish . Pros should be able to play right off within 3-4 games . They are all consummate pros . He just can’t motivate or get them cohesive
@FrancisDietPodcast Got to love the English attitude, must be a wash over from Empire days.
So to take your logic about rugby players being pro, then every proffesional player should win every game. How is that possible when your opponent is also a proffesional player. Your reasoning breaks down very quickly.
For an example, when an obese person goes on a diet, do they look thin the next day just because they are determined to lose weight? No, it takes months if not years to get into shape and stay in shape.
Things take time bud...
He’s a forwards coach. And a good one, But not a Test level / national head coach.
@@cobusbrits2empire attitudes is a by gone era but may remain in some upper classes but certainly not from your everyday English person!Completely different country in comparison so that narrative is as old.
If you make the very plausible claim that Australia won because they were so well coached, surely it's also possible that England are not being coached well enough. In every press conference we are promised that England are getting better and better. 5 losses in the last 6 matches suggests otherwise. If New Zealand or South Africa had posted those stats, they'd already be looking for a new coach. It's so characteristically 'English' to not insist on excellence.
What is in those glasses
Maybe see if he wants the Wales job........ just a thought. Go Bokke!
COYB
I love the show but these fucking continental tyres and American Express adverts is starting to piss me off 🏴
Someone has to pay the bills.
Bothwick is a good coach, but not a head coach, he's far too closed off and defensive, which causes a very limiting environment . Also stop fucking around with a team when it's winning, he wants cudoss for a supposed master stroke in changing the personnel, and get Arrundell back!
sorry. did he not win a championship trophy?
@@simonsaysstuffoutloud Doesn't make you a pro coach ..... In saying that I think" English supporters" should stand by the coach 🤔
The irony, English is van Graans second language while the majority of brits can barely speak English
What great value - didn’t think I could listen to someone for that long but I was totally engrossed (even if grossed out by Tindall). Let’s hope he is in contention for Boks coach in future.