Aquarium Sumps vs Canister Filters
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- Опубликовано: 16 июл 2024
- What is better, a Sump or a canister filter? Check out this video where we discuss that topic. #AaronsAquarium
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Thanks for a very clear description! I have done A TON of research and you said it the most succinctly! Great information. Much, much appreciated!
Man you are just awesome. I watched hundreds of videos to look for the proper knowledge. You finally put it to a rest. Thanks a lot.
I am glad I found your video on this subject...I am new at this and I never heard anyone explain all of this..Now I understand media and what its for.
Thank you for this. I'm setting up a reef tank and bought 2 API Filstar XP Canister Aquarium Filter, 75-gal before I read about sump tanks. This video really helped me.
I like the way you stayed in the middle of the canister vs sump war!!! Very diplomatic!!!
There are fanboys for both methods of filtration but as long as they are set up properly each one can be great and achieve the full nitrogen cycle. The days of canisters being a 'nitrate factory' are behind us and as long as the filter is suitably sized for the tank there's no reason why they can't provide full cycle filtration (when set up properly with suitable media).
Well done on explaining the need for anaerobic bacteria - most people either don't understand that or leave that information out completely. It is essential for a natural removal of nitrate (to complete the cycle)
Nice video and great editing too. I don't have the time to edit like that, lol
Best wishes for 2017, man.
I agree both are great. the inky reason I use canisters is bc there more compact as I still live at home and have tanks in my room so I need to save on space
Nicely explained without being biased. Regarding cleaning the cannister filter, I feel if we use an external pre filter as mechanical filter we can easily clean it often without opening up the main cannister for a longer duration and not disturbing the bacteria colonies. Would have loved to try a sump but don't have space for sump.
True. The nice bonus with a sump for an aquarium is the extra water capacity and hiding all your equpiment in it, assuming you have the space under your tank but a properly set up external cannister of the correct size, with the right media in the correct order will sort nitrates as well as ammonia and nitrites.
I think one of the key benifits of having a sump other than hiding all the stuff (heaters, skimmers, etc..) is that you can use it to grow macro algae or keep things like star fish or other “extras” that you might not want in your display tank/reef. This could benefit nitrate removal like that with the algae, or food for harlequin shrimp such as star fish. It really does expand what you could do, and honestly you could still run a canister with a sump. Why not?
Now look here pondguru they dont call me the saltwater guru for no reason
Ive never heard anyone say to maintain your canister filter once a week. I do quarterly cleanings and have for a long time and have had a very healthy tank.
Agree 100%, in my experience if you need to clean your canister filter once a week, something is WAY out of whack in your tank. Overcrowded, no plants, etc.. I have a well, but not heavily planted, tank and I do the same as you do .. quarterly cleanings of the filter. I check my nitrate levels quite regularly and they are at or barely above zero each time. I think folks get a little carried away with theories on cleaning filters, water changes, etc.. I think it could scare folks away from keeping a tank if they are considering it.
+Steve McAllister That also depends on the type of tank you keep. What type is yours?
Ah, true enough I suppose. Mine is a freshwater tank. I did kind of take the advice in the video on filters vs sump as general though, i.e. not specific to a reef tank. If you are strictly talking reef tank filter maintenance than I've no experience with that..
+Steve McAllister Obviously if you are running a planted system for example, it wouldn't need to be done as often as a heavily stocked Cichlid tank or a reef, due to the plants consuming the Nitrates. I just gave the bast case senario, as it would have taken a lot of time to break it down to individual tank types.
Question Everything cleaning of the canister is not to be done often. This is way wrong. You simply do a basic water exchange once a week or every two weeks. If you are opening and constantly cleaning your canister you are taking away the very purpose of it to control ammonia and promote bacterial growth.
He wasn't lying in his intro! Thank you Sir
Biggest benefit of a sump is the extended volume of water in addition to the aquarium size. Helps keep the water quality more stable (less drastic fluctuations). A canister is basically a halfway step (happy medium) between a HOB and a sump.
Also, a sump when the power is goes out = siphoning water from the tank and onto your floor if you don't set it up properly!
Dude you are the man!! I was about to give up on the idea of a salt water tank because I have a canister filter but now I feel much better! Thank you brother great video!
AtlantaFinest same here! I got a canister filter and I almost give up because everyone keeps saying it's a big no no
I have both! I run a canister filter on my sump instead of filter socks which I didn't get on with. I use it purely as a mechanical filter. However I don't clean it out weekly. It gets cleaned out every month. I found this combination to work well for me... so far anyway!
Peter Davies that sounds like a good idea
The biggest problem is it is more difficult to prime due to lack of gravity feed but once going it is ok. I am not aware of any nitrate issues and I only really have softies and LPS corals.
I use both too, no problems so far. I also have a small area of anaerobic filtration. So three filters. I clean my canister less that once a month.
Thank you. Very good. I will probably be going with the sump system from Custom Aquariums.
Excellent video with very clearly explained differences. Thanks!
+Tom Beech 👍
I only have space for a nano so use a canister filter to add water volume. Great video.
Great topic and video ! The sump affords huge biological filtration possibilities with a process of aerobic and anaerobic bacteria ( capacities are endless depending on sump size ) Filtration is so very important with my Cichlid keeping ! I also embrace the canisters by running 2 FX models to compliment my sump.
Mate really useful video and helped me make the choice that best suits my system.
oh man, thats a very detailed explanation, thanks a lot
thank you for explaining the difference. sump sounds great but a bridge too far for me at the moment. sounds like a dream to maintain.
I run an FX6 on my FW 120G. Works great. I'm thinking of adding a sump to fluidize some K1 or something similar.
A sump is good for me though. It's easy to take care of and very flexible as you said. Thanks Aaron
Thank you! For the info it was very helpful
great video, you really broke it down. loved it, thanks.
Your vids always look great! Great info as well so thanks for posting. :)
Thank you for your nice work and nice RUclips channel ! I would like to highlight some of the sump benefits in the reef aquarium.- 1)Increase overall water system volume,2) Hiding equipment (heaters , ATOs, dosing pumps ) 3) mechanical/ biological filtration 4) refugium (helping with denitrifcation and PH stabilization),5) the option to include a skimmer and apply methods such as Triton. Overall , sump is a superior filtration for a reef aquarium . For the beginners, I agree that a canister filter will work . However, i will use it only for a fish and soft coral tank in combination with frequent water changes and cleaning. I am interested to check your choices for animals and corals in your new aquarium build.
I've always used canisters but have wanted to get in to sump systems for the ease of adding heaters and UV sterilize well keeping the clean look above, I am also running a canister to canister system on a larger set up and it's worked well as i am able to remove the canisters and clean them in a remote location such as the tub or back yard... thank you for all the information and it's always a grate subject to cover as it may help some one make a better informed decision.
🥃cheers🍻
How do you do that? And what media are you using? Reef or freshwater?
@@blacksnakegray2552 fresh & one outlet simply runs in to the inlet on the other as for media the usual just set up so stage one has the bulk of the biological and the second canister has the scrubbers and such then out through the UV and back in to the tank.
great video.
I have both sump & canister filter on my 70gal reef best thing I done was buy the canister.
The canister has a built in uv with a canister booster and polishes my water really well.
I clean the canister every two weeks, the sump gets a 10% water change every two weeks with a big clean out every 6 months.
The tank gets a 10% water change every two weeks (10% weekly water change alternating where I take the water from), as soon as my nitrates are high then I perform 20/30% water change.
So if it's possible to have both then I would recommend having both sump & canister
Very good information thank you.
Very imformative video Aaron! it helped me a lot!! 😁
Yeah. At last !. This is always in my thought in these past weeks.
Good Comparison of the filters.
thanks been runing 2 cannisters for 4 years on my reef tank and allways wanted a sunp because people always said you can't keep a reef tank with canisters will I have prove them all wrong thank you for letting me know you can it has really cheered me up but if I ever get a chance of a bigger tank with a sump I would jump at it
Great job explaining
Just subscribed to your channel mate. Good informative and easy to understand content.
wonderful work!!
I used to have a 55 gallon saltwater tank that had an undergravel system ,a magnum 330 canister filter but also used live rock in the tank and never had any issues . My main concern regarding sump systems are the risk of flooding during a power outage .
Shut off valve
@@TLCC1991 when you're not home
That's miss when calculating pipe and turn over sump filter
very good video Michael with a lot of great information.
+Scott M Thanks pal
Aarons Aquarium
if I use the Hydra stream inline with the fluval fx6, will it eliminate the "nitrate factory" issue?
Thank you so much for saving me from building a magical sump for my simple freshwater tank ;-)
nice video. i love them both!
That was a great video Aaron. I’ve sub’. I’m new to the hobby and have got two tanks that I’ve started in the last 4 months. My new aquarium brother has cannisters and sumps. All his tanks over 6ft have sumps and a few with back up cannisters. His never had a problem barring changing his pump motors every 5 years or so. Some are still going after 10 lol.
I've been in the fish keeping game my whole life. I clean out my canister filter once every 2 months. The tank is as clear as it can get. I test my water daily and it's perfect, but like he said. All tanks are different. besides that great info.
TY for your job! i have a question for you: which is the preferred solution for 120 gallons chichlid tank?
Very informative well done
Hi Aaron, I'm thinking of moving to a marine setup, I've got a 77 gallon tank, fluval FX6 filter, fluval twin aerator and a Eheim power head. would you recommend the addition of a nitrite filter?....I'm new to this so any setup hints or tips would be greatly appreciated. Thanks mate.
Using both. Canister for mechanical and sump for mostly bio (with some mechanical on the front end and some chemical filtration on the back end).
explain please.. newbie here
@@artemgrayson2243 hi there, I'm a newbie as well, but have done lots of research. With his sump, he's saying that the first part of his sump that the water reaches (when coming down from the tank above) is used for the mechanical filtration (so, he might have some sponges or sponge-like material there to let the water through while catching/trapping physical matter such as debris, fishwaste, uneaten food, any particles in the water). And, at the end of his sump, he is using biological filtration (by employing biomedia, things that can easily enable the beneficial bacteria to grow onto, bacteria that will help keep controle over the ammonia and nitrites levels by eating both ammonia and nitriates). Some people add chemical filtration (since sump filters are quite customizable) by adding medications or other water treating products in one of their sump chambers.
I just bought my very first fishtank yesterday, a huge one that came with a 37 gallons sump. I can't wait to start customizing it =). I know for sure that I will love having a sump chamber for beneficial plants that will help control my ammonia or nitrates levels (put this kind of filtration under the biological side, as it is natural).
What happens if your sump return pump cuts out? Will the sump overflow?
Nice info, I had to go canister coz I jumped in too fast with my tank choice, still making it work tho just wish I knew what I do now and saved myself a lot of £$€¥
Aron..question!
I'm, getting a large aquarium made for my basement..saltwater!
IS,It possible to run a 700 gallon salt water tank using a swimming pool saltwater filter
I would use live sand in filter drum..i would,also use live sand inside aquarium as well.. I would control amonina using dead rocks and corals.
Hi Aaron. Thank you for the great videos; I've learned a lot from you. I would really like to set up a bare bottom reef tank, but I don't want a sump. Do you think I could have a 75 gallon or go even bigger with a canister filter?
Best video ever thanx
I used both my sump as a wet dry and a filter then I used the canister as a under water good bacteria filters on my salt water aquariums I always use both but my sump has a uv light that helps ceep the tank stable
I want to run 3 fx6 on a 280 saltwater, just some live rock, 1 eel, 2-3 groupers, Australian Harliquin tusk, another type of tusk, and maybe a bigger trigger, I that enough filtration or would you recommend a wet dry or a combo of both?
I about to turn my 55 saltwater. also I have a double stand so I'm thinking about using my original tank as a sump and getting a predrilled tank. my idea is instead of a return pump I'm use canister to polish the water with carbon. So is this a good or bad idea.
I have a reef tank with 2 fluval canisters and I do have to clean them more often but every other day i don’t know if I can do it.
Love the channel getting used marine aquarium tomorrow and will be setting up once iv sold my 125 litre sa cichlid tank. It comes with a ef1 canister filter which I believe is 1000 lph with built in uv my question is would this be OK in a 20 gallon aquarium
if you don't have bulkheads you can use a hob overflow to hook up your sump. I am switching from a canister to a homemade sump and am using one. no more fighting with my canister for me.
I have a pump under my tank with bio balls and I have noticed the range of water flow acts like it has slowed down what can I do to get the flow back
your start up sounds amazing on my surround sound system :)
glad u made this video. as currently starting up the sea horse tank. got a red Sea max. but thinking about modding it for a sump or canister.
+matt boxall What makes you go for sea horses? I found them very boring when I had them.
Aarons Aquarium the misses wants them. not me. I find them boring too.
+matt boxall ahhhh right. Well don't argue with the with just do it. Happy Wife, Happy Life
Just found the channel and appreciate all the info. Can you do a video on cleaning the Eheim Pro 4+ 250 you recommended on your How to Setup a Super Simple Saltwater Reef Aquarium for Beginners? I just purchased one this week through your link. Thanks
hello i have a 300 ltr tank and im wondering 2 questions 1st one which marine canister should i buy im new to marine keeping FiltoSmart 300, fluval fx4, eheim 350, fluval 306? 2nd question in each tray what media is best ? and i do have a skimmer in my tank thank you
Do u have a video how to make one? I have just got a second hand 92x35x30 tank so my 30 litre will go spare I thought I could make a sump of it. How do I do this and connect it?
Great video! I run an Aquaclear hang on back for my 40 gallon breeder, it runs the water through the media like a canister (bottom to top) rather than from back to front like the vast majority of hang on backs. With additional filtration by using a large(ish) prefilter sponge. It's worked very, very well for me so far. Thank you for the informative video!
Aaron, I'm hooking up a fresh water rack system with a meter long sump connect to 4 tanks. The pump I've got has a flow rate of 16,000 liters per hour and returns for the tanks will be spray bars. I will also have valves to control the flow to the four tanks. I was wondering how many overflow holes I should have to handle the higher flows. Would 2, 3cm in each tank be enough on each side of the tank, with the spray going down across the whole tank? Or should I add a couple more outlets to compensate when I turn the flow down in the others then that water can just return to the sump without actually going to a tank. I'm scared that I will blow the pipes if I turn down the flow to any of the tanks.
Hey Aaron I am going to be setting up a tank of African Cichlids in the coming months and I'm doing my research now. I'm still deciding between a 120-210 gallon tank and one of my priorities for the tank is pristine looking high quality water. What do you think would be a good fit for this size tank in terms of filtration? I'm considering a combo of canister and sump or just a larger sump. What would you do?
How would one go about creating Anaerobic bacteria... currently I have 2 fx6 filters in an well but not over stocked 180 g African Cichlid tank
what's the best im beginner if i buy Canister Filters Is this enough
or theres somethings else my aquarium is 150 gal
But is sump tank work synonymous to cansister filter
Thanks for helping me understand how sumps are used. Terrific lesson!
great ...... thanks
I am currently in the process of setting up at reef tank. I chose to go with a sump because I dread the thought of trying to prime my canisters (which I had for turtle tanks) bi weekly. It would just be aggravating.
hey love the channel btw
In A reef tank When you say clean once a week do you mean just tip the water out and refill with fresh water put back together or take apart rinse media and squeeze sponges out and refill fresh water.
I don't think I've ever heard a single person say "I hate my sump I sure would rather have canisters instead."
Sump is just so much easier to maintain. Want to change your carbon? Grab the bag empty it, add new carbon and throw it back in the sump. Couldnt be easier
look into a "Herbie overflow" . simple to install and made my sump more silent than a canister filter. i can let it run months without cleaning. every 5-6 months or so i rinse the sponge in aquarium water (not tap water!). also my heater and Co2 reactor are all in there, nothing in the tank. sumps are awesome.
also great is that my total setup has 25 gallon extra water because of the sump. makes it easier to keep a biological balance in my tank and can have more fish as well. plus water changes are way easier as well.
Reid Smith I'll say it... I hate sumps. I've had tanks from 1 to 325 gallons, and everything in between... in 32 years of keeping, and raising anything that will fit in a fishtank. And I've yet to find an advantage to a sump...
On the other hand... my canister filters are more efficient, quieter, easier to clean, cheaper to set up, easier to set up, and, I don't loose huge amounts of water to evaporation. Any add-ons I may need can still be used, just inline, from heaters to reactors... just a matter of some plumbing to the water lines... and still hid from inside the tank.
I currently have a 125, with 2 Fluval 406s... I actually had to 'unsump' this tank... and its never going back.
Your milage may very.
+RIPPER334 great help brother thanks!
Hi, can somone please explain which is better skimmer in sump or just canister filter, the only reason I'm asking is for the skimmer is it worth it? Thanks
I need some type of guy this video was very informative because my next project I was kind of on the fence if I wanted to go canister or continue with a sump but it's going to be some all the way thank you so much for this video
+bernie grant Im happy I've been able to help you a little.
Aarons Aquarium sorry for the typos but I'm a sump type of guy I entertained canister filters but I'm gonna continue to go sump
I'd love to have a sump it's just another fish tank so that must be a bonus ..... great video Michael 🤗🤗🤗🎄
Yeah you're right
I run a fx6 on my 120 reef, inside just marine pure media, the "og" poly filter and chemi -pure blue. Along with good maintenance works great for my limited space
How often do you clean your fx6?
Hi Aaron. Thanks for your vids helped me loads.
I currently have 125litre tank. And i was planning to run a canister..
Will a internal or HOB Protein Skimmer help with the potential raise of nitrates.?
And when cleaning the canister. Do i need to clean the ceramic biomax media or leave it be??
Thanks.
+Stewart Bumstead A skimmer will help remove waste before it has chance to break down thus reducing Nitrates. Don't clean the bio max as this my kill the bacteria needed for the Nitrogen Cycle.
Subbed....well done mate, from St. Augustine fl....."St.Auggy" (born n raised in Bournemouth)
Very informative, just getting into African peacok cichlids from many years of salt ....
Do you have any info on keeping down aggression with these fish?
I'm running a 100gallon long with a sump......with five 2" juveniles and a 4" o.b.....also have two catfish and a South American golden severum......(who all pretty much stay clear of trouble)
But my peacoks are CONSTANTLY CHASING and and attempting dominance and territory......some say problem is because perhaps one of my juvys could be a female.....or even that I simply don't have enough peacoks in the tank yet......any thoughts?
Water parameters are awesome and temp set for 80degrees
Anyway cheers man, keep it up.....good info
Can I make a waterfall effect with the canister filter?
Hi mate just wounding if you can help me I've got two fx6s and was planning on filling one with bio media the other with cemecl to help with my nitrate problem will it help . Thanks mate
What about a sump regufuim and canister ? with u.v.?
Awesome video :)
+AquaZone Aquarium Services Mtl Izabella Thank you
Hmm to be honest I would try slow flow shower on a larger aquarium to get the full cycle but external has to be the way to go rather than sump but depends on size and stock
Also you can make your own canister filter with a bucket from home depot and to cheap pumps to suck water out and return i did that for one of my tanks and it works so much better then a 200 dollar canister filter at Petco and I only spend like 30 bucks on everything for a lrg size bucket
Great Video! Finally, someone put an end to the constant battle between sump and canister. 😊 With a sump you can build it as big as you want. But I am not into DIY things. So I just keep 2 Fx6 on my bigger tanks.
This is a old vid but I go sump and canister on my 180g 175L.
"Fish poo" 😂
I thought you did a great job with the video!
Always excellent information. Ive been following your channel for quite some time now, I like all the videos you put out, however the audio is always not as loud as it should be. Your intro, graphics and contents are excellent, now if the audio is clear and leveled with the intro, it would make your channel much more bad ass. Please take this as constructive criticism, Im just advising you from a viewer point if view.
+Cut It Up Freshh I've never been good at the audio side of video making. I'll make this my next adjustment
Its two different tanks.
Drilled with a second or just one tank.
Salt or fresh.
Sump filter filter water more clearer but I'm feels lazy to do that option at my aquarium.
Canister is also tedious, but not as tedious as the sump filter.
So, my personal preference that suits on me is the top filter.
It's quite efficient for 3 - 4 feet of the aquarium.
Much easier to maintain & cost effective.
Use it as a reactor as a add on to your sump mega cheap as small one or cheaper if you second hand
What if you ran 2 canister filters, and a sump tank?
Overflow gravity feeds into a sump tank, then suck out from the sump tank useing canister filters, and into the fish tank.
I don't think that would work very well. Canister filters have very weak pumps that are not designed to push against any real head of water; note that canister filters have an equal amount of water at input as return. If you pull water from the sump, usually about 4-5 feet below where you would put the return, your pump would be VERY ineffective. You could use the canister filter as part of the sump, but use a larger return pump to go back to the display.
I'm planning to do a saltwater aquarium in the future that is fish only (no corals), but the equipment cost and the required maintenance always pushes me away ex.(sump, overflow, return, skimmer, RO units and reactors).
Can I do well with a canister and aged tap water for a fish only system?
I really want to get into marine but the costs are prohibitive for me.
+Richard James Canister yes. I'd never suggest using tap water it's not worth the risk when marine fish are so expensive
wow i had no idea it was beneficial to clean a canister every other day. I have been cleaning once a month wondering why the water was so dirty inside the filter.
I think anything from 200-250 you are good with FX6. Over 300 should be sump. Im still blown away with my FX6!
ad78 i agree
I have a FX4 on my 55g and it’s magical for my tank.
When you’re cleaning the filters do you just do it in ro water or Salt water
Use old aquarium water to keep the bacteria alive
Nice to know I have a question how to convert a safely a salt water tank to a fresh water tank and to maybe use the sump or to connect a canister filter in to it how would you do it please make videos about it
+Edward L.Lerouge its easy. Simply shut down the tank you have running. Give everything a bloody good clean then start up your new tank.
@aaronsaquarium please can you do a video on how to maintain a canister filter for reef tanks? Also, how do I find out what size I would need for my 120L/30gallon tank? All the online advice seems to solely be for fresh water tanks
Id go for the fluval 307 for a 120 litre.
A sump would be awesome for refugium And hiding equipment, but a canister filter also goves you more water volume without the worry of flooding your house