I'm running a fluval fx6 on my 65 gallon Reef Tank. x2 radion xr15 blue g6. It blows my mind when people say it can't be done..... I'm doing it and I absolutely love it. I've been wanting to post a video of my tank to try and kill the vilification of canister filters
I run an fx6 on my 125 reef. I have huge coraline algae growth no issues. Tank is stocked with 4 different tangs and total i have 12 fish in that system with many corals everything is doing great. Its been running nearly 2 years no issues.
Been running my marine & reef only tanks on internal & external canister filters for 40 years.No problems but the last 10 years having also been using turf scrubbers with amazing results.
We're switching to canister filters for many reasons. You know what nitrate factories are? EVERYTHING COUGHT IN SUMPS! So many things stay at the bottom of the sumps. Also, in the overflows!
True. No one talkes about that. Canisters can be maintained and cleaned regularly but nobody is regularly cleaning their sumps (if they're even doing it at all)
Fully agree with everything you said, especially the part about forum ‘experts’ influencing trends. This is a hobby that tends towards elitism. One benefit of sumps that you didn’t mention is that they do add quite a lot of water volume to a system, which can be a stabilising factor if the space permits. I love your refugium-sump. As a kid I was always fascinated by rock-pools at the beach, and the way you have your sump makes me want to set up an indoor marine ‘pond’ that looks like your sump. 🤣
I agree, I even use HOB filers and sponge filters. I hate when "experts" say that something cannot be done just because the companies that sell equipment say so. - Ramón 🇲🇽
I'm really interested in the use of sponge filters in salt - do you find that the bubbles popping create issues with salinity creeping onto the lid/sides?
@@smorc65 I have experienced more salt on the sides of the aquarium with HOB than with sponge filters, you can even modulate the air pressure if it is too much with a "bleed valve". Even so, I usually create simple canopies with clear 3mm acrylic so that doesn't happen anymore. But I think it has a lot to do if the water level is low, there tends to be more splashes almost regardless of the filter you use.
@@SalamanderFangskin This is very interesting; do you consider sponge filters more for mechanical filtration in saltwater in this case, or for aeration, or biological filtration, or some combination?
@@smorc65 In my opinion, a sponge filter oxygenates the water better and also generates more movement of water [although it seems like not]. And a sponge has more pores than anything else you could put in your aquarium, so it has a better capacity to have beneficial bacteria. I have put several sponge filters and I'm sure there is more water movement than with a canister or HOB filter and there is better oxygenation than with a powerhead/wave maker. A wave maker moves through much more water but does not oxygenate it like bubbles coming out of a sponge filter. The bad thing about sponge filters is that they are not very good at filtering water mechanically and they are not aesthetic.
I run a 180 litre marine mixed reef on a Fluval 307 canister full of matrix and a Tunze DC9004 skimmer. 10% water change every 3 to 4 weeks. Nitrates running between 2.5 and 5. Mostly LPS, softies, Zoas and a few SPS. I keep it simple plenty of CUC don't overfeed been running for 3 years. One thing I've discovered since running my tank is the snobbery from some others in the reefing world when I mention the fact that my tank is run on a canister filter.
This is a very similar setup to my reef tank. I am new to the hobby and I got some second hand equipment. I have the Sera 1200 uvc extreme cannister filter and the same skimmer as you. I hope it works!
Running an Oase external with an integrated heater. The filer is also connected to a UV sterilizer and a macro algae reactor. The filter running the entire loop. Glass in and out flow and that gives me a 360 degrees view inside the tank!
Recently I moved to marine setup after keeping fresh water for 10+ years. I usually watch tons of videos online and rarely comment, but after watching more than 5 videos of urs i couldn't resist myself from commenting. Truelly an amazing channel and true info keeping all the market gimics aside. Actually talking about the concepts and logics that make sense. Big fan love from India ❤
@@EverydayAquarist hi replying after 11 months. Here i am running anemone and clown tank on canister from last 4 months and everything looks normal like a marine tank if close my cabinet with canister sitting in it 😅. Thanks to your video pushing a thought into reality .
I run canister set-up on a upper brackish tank and had no issues with it , my plan is to slowly change over to full marine, sticking with soft corals only which some of them dont like high flow rate from my understanding , thank you for your vids, like all hobbies , fools and their money can quickly become parted you show the other side were money and common sense go hand in hand plus in some cases learning from mistakes , thank you
I agree mostly with you, but I will say i used to use freshwater technology on salt water tanks and had horrible success over the years. I've learned a lot and I have had much better success that I am using sump technology versus freshwater technology, but I agree with you at least theoretically I do and definitely on small nano tanks not necessary. great video!!
I like canister filters. Currently using one on my 32g saltwater tank, I also use them on my tanks over 40g. I have a hang on Protein Skimmer, but am not sure it really does all that much.
Well you've showed in many videos it is possible so it's hard to doubt the proof we can see with our own eyes mate. Might not be the first choice method every marine keeper but one of the most wonderful elements of our hobby is there are often more than road we can take to achieve the desired result hey.
Only arguments that made sense to me against canister filters were the maintenance and the lack of oxygenation compared to other methods. That being said I used a canister for the first year of my tank and it ran just fine. I did switch to a HoB and wave maker which is easier to maintain for where my tank is setup. But definitely no hate for the can. Love the vids enjoy watching your methods compared to like BRS. It allows me to compare what each you both do in sometimes very different ways and are still successful.
I think the key to why you are so successful with canisters and others fail is because of all the macroalgae. Without it, there is nothing to consume the nitrates. Coral consume a little bit, but a tank has to be absolutely covered in corals to achieve the same effect. Now why isn't a canister filter + algae reactor more popular, I have no idea. This kind of setup gives all the benefits and leaves the display tank available to be filled with whatever you want.
I'm about to start a new pico thats an odd shape and wont have much room for filtration inside the tank. I've been thinking of using an old freshwater canister filter to get a cleaner aesthetic in the tank. We will see how it turns out. 🤞
bro i thank you so much. im in the middle of starting a salt water tank i just got a 60 gallon cube tank and built my own stand. i was hoping i can run a oase BioMaster Thermo 250 alone cause i didnt want to do the whole sump thing.
You will probably need a larger model. But who knows if you make the tank do the filtering it might be OK. I have a tank without a filter at all and it's fine 👍
@@EverydayAquarist I appreciate the feedback. I’ve talked to many saltwater aquarium owners and everyone I talk to make me not even want to do it. They all say different things. I’m getting live rock and clowns first to see if I can mange or make changes then 6-10 months later I plan on getting anemones.
I personally prefer sumps as I find them easier to maintain. I like looking at other ways of doing things though. And I always thought they were called 'nitrate factories' because it's harder to remove detritus, which then breaks down in the filter (which clearly isn't an issue/doesn't happen with your tanks).
Like if ask me I think canister filters are underrated. I have heard people talk about leaks but not experienced it myself yet. Like all it needs is to build itself up with bacteria to brake down what is needed. Sump is uneeded. But sump is also good for micro organisms if ask me. Since issue with sump is when clean it can loose out of alot of micro organisms living in it which I notice everytime I clean it. That I barly gonna be cleaning my filters anymore since they maintain themself at current point. A good deep aged sandbed + canister filter is enough to keep tank going without things going chaotic. And macroalgea makes the job easier. Only reason for me to have sump would be micro organisms and baby creatures and nothing more. The tank handles itself
Mate i have been reefing for years and now im thinking cannister to get more Filteraton and keeps it in one place easy to clean, i think the lazy reefer might have issues but if you clean it after you be fine.
I have setup a 180ltr marine tank, and i am old school keeping things simple, so running 1 x 405, 1x 406 and also 2 x fluval u3 internally.... no sump no skimmer.... is that too much filtration ???
I'm just getting into saltwater and I also have the 407 with a 60 gallon tank. Please tell me what u did to make it work so u don't have to do constant water changes ☺️☺️
@@henrigarcia4285Just let it run and do its thing…. Best advice i was given and that’s just let the tank look after itself… What I mean by that is don’t keep changing water or moving rocks let it be natural
For me i cannot stand canisters or sumps. My 240s and 310 gallons came with sumps, i use them for quarantine and the tanks run off sponges & hob. The other 28 tanks are sponge, box, ugf or hob. In nearly 46 years of fish keeping ive used almost every kind of filters and just use what works best for me. Air powered. Filters or hob. Sumps and canisters have there place just not in my fish room.
In the commercial side air driven sponge is widely used. I think not so much in home aquaria due to how they look in the tank. However if that (and the noise) isn't a problem then they are great filters
While you certainly can use a canister filter, they can be loud, they are a pain to clean and they leak. For me the leaking potential is the biggest down side to using a canister. Cheers, Chris Teaching kids about climate change and ocean acidification with corals in the classroom.
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I'm running a fluval fx6 on my 65 gallon Reef Tank. x2 radion xr15 blue g6. It blows my mind when people say it can't be done..... I'm doing it and I absolutely love it. I've been wanting to post a video of my tank to try and kill the vilification of canister filters
Please do it !!!
Thanks for sharing 😊
I run an fx6 on my 125 reef. I have huge coraline algae growth no issues. Tank is stocked with 4 different tangs and total i have 12 fish in that system with many corals everything is doing great. Its been running nearly 2 years no issues.
Been running my marine & reef only tanks on internal & external canister filters for 40 years.No problems but the last 10 years having also been using turf scrubbers with amazing results.
FX6 is a blast 😀 less requirement for wave makers seeing it’s like a wave maker itself
We're switching to canister filters for many reasons. You know what nitrate factories are? EVERYTHING COUGHT IN SUMPS! So many things stay at the bottom of the sumps. Also, in the overflows!
True. No one talkes about that. Canisters can be maintained and cleaned regularly but nobody is regularly cleaning their sumps (if they're even doing it at all)
I’ve ran a Saltwater aquarium on a Fluval FX5/6 for years! Absolutely can be done
Fully agree with everything you said, especially the part about forum ‘experts’ influencing trends. This is a hobby that tends towards elitism. One benefit of sumps that you didn’t mention is that they do add quite a lot of water volume to a system, which can be a stabilising factor if the space permits.
I love your refugium-sump. As a kid I was always fascinated by rock-pools at the beach, and the way you have your sump makes me want to set up an indoor marine ‘pond’ that looks like your sump. 🤣
I agree, I even use HOB filers and sponge filters. I hate when "experts" say that something cannot be done just because the companies that sell equipment say so. - Ramón 🇲🇽
Thanks for watching
I'm really interested in the use of sponge filters in salt - do you find that the bubbles popping create issues with salinity creeping onto the lid/sides?
@@smorc65 I have experienced more salt on the sides of the aquarium with HOB than with sponge filters, you can even modulate the air pressure if it is too much with a "bleed valve". Even so, I usually create simple canopies with clear 3mm acrylic so that doesn't happen anymore. But I think it has a lot to do if the water level is low, there tends to be more splashes almost regardless of the filter you use.
@@SalamanderFangskin This is very interesting; do you consider sponge filters more for mechanical filtration in saltwater in this case, or for aeration, or biological filtration, or some combination?
@@smorc65 In my opinion, a sponge filter oxygenates the water better and also generates more movement of water [although it seems like not]. And a sponge has more pores than anything else you could put in your aquarium, so it has a better capacity to have beneficial bacteria. I have put several sponge filters and I'm sure there is more water movement than with a canister or HOB filter and there is better oxygenation than with a powerhead/wave maker. A wave maker moves through much more water but does not oxygenate it like bubbles coming out of a sponge filter. The bad thing about sponge filters is that they are not very good at filtering water mechanically and they are not aesthetic.
I run a 180 litre marine mixed reef on a Fluval 307 canister full of matrix and a Tunze DC9004 skimmer. 10% water change every 3 to 4 weeks. Nitrates running between 2.5 and 5. Mostly LPS, softies, Zoas and a few SPS. I keep it simple plenty of CUC don't overfeed been running for 3 years. One thing I've discovered since running my tank is the snobbery from some others in the reefing world when I mention the fact that my tank is run on a canister filter.
This is a very similar setup to my reef tank. I am new to the hobby and I got some second hand equipment. I have the Sera 1200 uvc extreme cannister filter and the same skimmer as you. I hope it works!
Running an Oase external with an integrated heater. The filer is also connected to a UV sterilizer and a macro algae reactor. The filter running the entire loop. Glass in and out flow and that gives me a 360 degrees view inside the tank!
Recently I moved to marine setup after keeping fresh water for 10+ years. I usually watch tons of videos online and rarely comment, but after watching more than 5 videos of urs i couldn't resist myself from commenting.
Truelly an amazing channel and true info keeping all the market gimics aside.
Actually talking about the concepts and logics that make sense.
Big fan love from India ❤
Thank you 👍
@@EverydayAquarist hi replying after 11 months. Here i am running anemone and clown tank on canister from last 4 months and everything looks normal like a marine tank if close my cabinet with canister sitting in it 😅.
Thanks to your video pushing a thought into reality .
Fantastic as a reactor for polishing the water or a calcium reactor
I run canister set-up on a upper brackish tank and had no issues with it , my plan is to slowly change over to full marine, sticking with soft corals only which some of them dont like high flow rate from my understanding , thank you for your vids, like all hobbies , fools and their money can quickly become parted you show the other side were money and common sense go hand in hand plus in some cases learning from mistakes , thank you
Appreciate your comment
I run a canister on my 55 gallon softy tank I have about 17 fish in it too never had a problem
Really appreciate your honesty and insights ❤
I appreciate that!
I agree mostly with you, but I will say i used to use freshwater technology on salt water tanks and had horrible success over the years. I've learned a lot and I have had much better success that I am using sump technology versus freshwater technology, but I agree with you at least theoretically I do and definitely on small nano tanks not necessary. great video!!
I like canister filters. Currently using one on my 32g saltwater tank, I also use them on my tanks over 40g. I have a hang on Protein Skimmer, but am not sure it really does all that much.
I never use a skimmer tbh
Well you've showed in many videos it is possible so it's hard to doubt the proof we can see with our own eyes mate. Might not be the first choice method every marine keeper but one of the most wonderful elements of our hobby is there are often more than road we can take to achieve the desired result hey.
Only arguments that made sense to me against canister filters were the maintenance and the lack of oxygenation compared to other methods. That being said I used a canister for the first year of my tank and it ran just fine. I did switch to a HoB and wave maker which is easier to maintain for where my tank is setup. But definitely no hate for the can. Love the vids enjoy watching your methods compared to like BRS. It allows me to compare what each you both do in sometimes very different ways and are still successful.
Thanks for watching
Always excited for your videos
Glad you like them!
Yay a new vid! 😊
Hope you enjoyed it!
I’m currently running a sicce whale 500 on my 75 gallon softies and LPS reef set up lit by an AI Blade coral grow and it’s bin running great
in the 80s it was power heads undergravel filters and can filters more work but it seemed to work
Great video as always 👍
Thanks again!
I think the key to why you are so successful with canisters and others fail is because of all the macroalgae. Without it, there is nothing to consume the nitrates. Coral consume a little bit, but a tank has to be absolutely covered in corals to achieve the same effect. Now why isn't a canister filter + algae reactor more popular, I have no idea. This kind of setup gives all the benefits and leaves the display tank available to be filled with whatever you want.
I'm about to start a new pico thats an odd shape and wont have much room for filtration inside the tank. I've been thinking of using an old freshwater canister filter to get a cleaner aesthetic in the tank. We will see how it turns out. 🤞
bro i thank you so much. im in the middle of starting a salt water tank i just got a 60 gallon cube tank and built my own stand. i was hoping i can run a oase BioMaster Thermo 250 alone cause i didnt want to do the whole sump thing.
You will probably need a larger model. But who knows if you make the tank do the filtering it might be OK. I have a tank without a filter at all and it's fine 👍
@@EverydayAquarist I appreciate the feedback. I’ve talked to many saltwater aquarium owners and everyone I talk to make me not even want to do it. They all say different things. I’m getting live rock and clowns first to see if I can mange or make changes then 6-10 months later I plan on getting anemones.
I personally prefer sumps as I find them easier to maintain. I like looking at other ways of doing things though. And I always thought they were called 'nitrate factories' because it's harder to remove detritus, which then breaks down in the filter (which clearly isn't an issue/doesn't happen with your tanks).
I guess it depends on how often people clean their sump sponges then lol could be just as "bad" as a canister if not maintained
I agree completely! @@EverydayAquarist
Like if ask me I think canister filters are underrated. I have heard people talk about leaks but not experienced it myself yet. Like all it needs is to build itself up with bacteria to brake down what is needed. Sump is uneeded. But sump is also good for micro organisms if ask me. Since issue with sump is when clean it can loose out of alot of micro organisms living in it which I notice everytime I clean it. That I barly gonna be cleaning my filters anymore since they maintain themself at current point. A good deep aged sandbed + canister filter is enough to keep tank going without things going chaotic. And macroalgea makes the job easier. Only reason for me to have sump would be micro organisms and baby creatures and nothing more. The tank handles itself
Exactly. I've never had one leak
I use two canisters filters for my reef tanks because they take up less space.
There are canister filters with heater by Oase, compatibile with marine tanks
Mate i have been reefing for years and now im thinking cannister to get more Filteraton and keeps it in one place easy to clean, i think the lazy reefer might have issues but if you clean it after you be fine.
Do you think you can keep SPS using only canister filters?
I have a mixture I've just bred chalk gobies August 23 on guess what a fluval 403 been keeping fish 50 yrs there ain't no experts ❤
Awesome
Thanks , the problem now is raising the fry I've loaded the tank with macro Algae and copods also plankton on day 3 now still free swimming
I have setup a 180ltr marine tank, and i am old school keeping things simple, so running 1 x 405, 1x 406 and also 2 x fluval u3 internally.... no sump no skimmer.... is that too much filtration ???
Can I use a small protein skimmer also with my canister?
I run a fluval 407 on my reef tank and it’s thriving…. And in the 6 years I’ve been using it I’ve only cleaned it out 4 times…
Nice
I'm just getting into saltwater and I also have the 407 with a 60 gallon tank. Please tell me what u did to make it work so u don't have to do constant water changes ☺️☺️
@@henrigarcia4285Mine is just filled with marine pure gems… In 6 years I’ve never done a water change, Only new water it gets is from the auto top up
@@henrigarcia4285Just let it run and do its thing…. Best advice i was given and that’s just let the tank look after itself… What I mean by that is don’t keep changing water or moving rocks let it be natural
Jaki model filtra polecasz do zbiornika 180 litrów ? Oase 850 , Fluval fx6 czy może coś innego ?
I have a canister on one and a bubbler and heater only on the other. Lol they both are 3 + years old.
Funny thing …. the loudest canister filter “haters” never used one 😂 zero experience
If you canister filter is big enough it is a sump lol😂
Sump all day long, like you said sumps can act as a second tank
Mine always turn into refugia or another tank lol
My 150 has no canister no sump. I think sump makes a couple things easy, but causes much heartache...
it has internal sponge and above tank refugium.
True, there pros and cons to both
it does work but come on it doesn't worth it... these days a simple overflow is that expensive
For me i cannot stand canisters or sumps. My 240s and 310 gallons came with sumps, i use them for quarantine and the tanks run off sponges & hob. The other 28 tanks are sponge, box, ugf or hob. In nearly 46 years of fish keeping ive used almost every kind of filters and just use what works best for me. Air powered. Filters or hob. Sumps and canisters have there place just not in my fish room.
In the commercial side air driven sponge is widely used. I think not so much in home aquaria due to how they look in the tank. However if that (and the noise) isn't a problem then they are great filters
While you certainly can use a canister filter, they can be loud, they are a pain to clean and they leak. For me the leaking potential is the biggest down side to using a canister.
Cheers,
Chris
Teaching kids about climate change and ocean acidification with corals in the classroom.