The Engineering of Shooting Ranges (+ Tour of my own)
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- Опубликовано: 22 янв 2021
- Many other sports and activities require an infrastructure to be enjoyed at their best, but while building a tennis court or a basic football field is pretty straightforward, a shooting range requires an accurate design. No bullet is allowed to leave the range, non even by ricochet, so let’s do a quick tour of the range I normally use for filming my videos and see the different solutions one by one.
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"The designer can never trust the user" is basically a mantra for any kind of design. There's a reason QA testers do absolutely insane shit to get stuff to break - you never know what the end user is going to do.
Learned more about range design from this video than from 35 years of shooting on them. Thanks!
You should invest some time in your local gunclub then ;)
@@peteraugust5295 I'm an active member of three clubs, two of which have range shooting disciplines, but happily they are in the country. As a consequence the 'extreme' measures illustrated are not required.
@@peteraugust5295 I'm thinking about trying to join Elks lodge. They have a amazing gun range with lanes up to a mile long. The closest free shooting site is at the top of a mountain in my county at a old rock quarry. It's hard to get up there.
The range that I usually visit for shooting actually used to have wooden planks as a floor. That combined with the really bad air circulation started a fire and the whole range burned down. Now they rebuilt it and got a solid concrete floor with rubber sheets on top of it. Great video by the way.
Unfortunately sometimes a tragedy is needed to change the idea of the management, and this goes well beyond shooting ranges, (look what happened with the Genoa bridge)
After all, "a fire has never happened here", until one day it happens. luckily it wasn't the case for my range
I'd rather burn alive than die from inhaling smoke from burning rubber. I'd rather die in a fire than survive from inhaling burning rubber trapped in a building.
@@Backyard.Ballistics this is very interesting for me because I have thought about how a shooting range is designed but I never understood it well until I watch this video
@@Phoenix_Atlas No. You really wouldn't. Also you'd be doing both in the event of a naked flame anyway.
@@jimmehjiimmeehh9748 Combined with the smoek from burning wires and a bunch of other shit which are all equally bad, but better injured from inhalation than dead.
Wow! Didn’t realize how much work goes into engineering a safe range!
This is one of the best channels on RUclips.
Cheers mate!
Extremely informative. Learned a lot.
Very informative video. As usual you educate without being boring. 👍
Thanks for taking the time to make this video. 😎👍
My pleasure!
Oh wow, the sheer lack of these safely measures at my range is ridiculous.
Thanks for the really informative and interesting video as always.
There is actually allot of engineering that goes into making a range that's safe as well as muffle the noise of the rounds in order to keep your neighbors happy. I think a followup video to talk about sound isolation would be great.
You're right, I initially intended on covering more topics, but the video would have turned too long. I could very well cover them in future videos
@@Backyard.Ballistics Yeah you are right, if you go into every little detail. it would make a 30 min + video. I appreciated the detail on the concrete safety backstop. No need to design a soil retaining wall if you can avoid it.
How strange. I just drove by a shooting range on the way home from the store and as I drove by I started wondering about how they made the building safe. I get home, put away the groceries, head to my computer and youtube suggests this video.
Man, that Vaccine Microchip is really good!
this was really informative thanks keep up the good content
Thanks, will do!
Backyard Ballistics is one of the absolute best channels out there for firearm knowledge. Anyone can review a cool gun, but no one has the range of expertise on ballistics, chemistry, physics, or engineering that this guy has.
You're my favorite youtube channel. Keep it up and good luck from USA
Wow, thanks!
Thanks for this. Your English is magnificent.
That's new... thanks by the way!
In 1989 there was a explosion in a indoor shooting range in Brussels Belgium that left 12 people death. It was later determined a wall separating the shooting boxes was covered with unburned powder cumulated over the years. It was ignited by a muzzle flash, created a huge fireball and a fire that burned the complete shooting range.
I really enjoy your videos man. I recommend them to everyone. Keep it up!
Thanks, I truly appreciate ;)
i appreciate that despite it being effectively impossible for a bullet to go through that much soil, the effort was placed to keep an extra concrete and steel barrier behind it.
Very interesting and educative video. It keep one to think about things more deeply. Thank You for it. Also this channel deserves much more popularity than it haves now.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you for an awesome video - I had no idea of the complexity involved at ranges
Please keep up the good work - I appreciate the way you cover this type of unusual information
You're very welcome!
Thank you for this extremely informative video. I have learned a lot. Keep up the good work
Glad to hear it!
There's a really good video on YT about a shooting range that is OVER a highway. You lay down to shoot and the round travels over a highway before hitting the target.
It's been designed so that there's no possible way to hit an, automobile with a round because the trajectory from there won't allow it to go 10m straight down. And if it isn't on a high enough trajectory to clear the road, it will hit a THICK concrete wall instead of going towards the target. It's a really well-designed range.
Not a single dislike after a month. What more do I need to say?
Thank you for the video! I especially enjoyed how simple you broke down the concepts, and definitely enjoyed the bit about the floor. The thought never even occurred to me.
Now over three months. No dislikes. Great presentation!
@@gotsloco1810 3 now,ironically they are probably not from people who dislike guns but from those who like to shout "2a" and "shall not be infringed" at everyone.
Great video. Most people take all this stuff for granted.
Really good video!
really underrated vid from an underrated content creator
Great video!
great video
Very well explained.
Glad you think so!
That is a nice range.
Great video
Thanks!
Bellissimo video, interessante ben oltre le aspettative... In italia siamo super osservanti delle misure di sicurezza, è interessante anche dare un'occhiata agli altri paesi, per esempio in Ungheria a un poligono di Budapest il poligono sotterraneo consisteva in un box di cemento con strati di gomma multipli (solo nella parte terminale) sopra i quali venivano posti i bersagli. L'inserviente mi ha lasciato la pistola carica letteralmente in mano ed è andato a porre il bersaglio in fronte a me, insomma, ben altra storia. A parte la divagazione, sempre che qualcuno la trovi interessante, ancora complimenti per i video.
Very informative to watch! Especially the ricochet and the capturing the fragments parts.
Greetings,
Jeff
p.s.
Some projects are well on their way on my grabcad (chambering reamer stop (MARS, also one for really large cartridges like the 14.5x114), floating reamer holder, and heattreatment oven (its alsmost finished now, only need to draw the power supply that i need to order)). If you ever need to calculate concrete structures or whatever you can check out my archive.org. I update both pages once in a while.
Pretty good
Grandissimo
Sei fantastico
Caro, grazie mille.
nice and informative video. No idea for what I would use this information though...
you never know what's around the corner ;)
Bel video!
Nice
As an American ive dealt with a LOT of ranges. From outdoor to indoor, deserts to massive forests. I really like this style of range, from safety put in mind and how simple it looks. Id gladly pay to spend some time there.
It's very common in Europe to find range like this one, I live in Italy too and this is the base for every range(some even with more protections, like some sound reduction area in front of the shooters to reduce the noise). The idea is that if anyone gets hurt seriously the range have really high chances to close down, only the IPSC-like shooting ranges didn't have all this regulation, but they are always in old quarries so dirt everywhere(or in old mines)
@@maledetto1221 suppressors would be a great aid in reducing conflict between shooters and residents. Sadly they are restricted or banned in many countries for reasons i do not understand
@@maledetto1221 actually here in germany you find these less and less, since they do not allow new outdoor ranges anymore, and often force existing ones to be updated with ridiculously expensive ventilation systems.
As a fellow American, I hate these kinds of ranges. If I'm in a shoot house doing CQB work, then fine. But if I'm doing flat range work I avoid these at all costs. For the first-time or weekend shooter, these are great, since their safety skills are likely lacking. Granted you're not going to be running drills or multiple targets on lane ranges, but I hate ranges that prevent you from keeping good situational awareness. If some idiot does something stupid in the next lane or bay, you won't see it coming until it happens- then you have to hope they engineered the range correctly.
@@Alloyaha hearing about negligent from other shooters hits close to me. I remember being 7 or 8 and at the range with my family. While i was reloading a .22lr rifle i noticed the person beside us flailing a loaded 10mm around and aimed right at me. Talk about panic at the range for sure
Cool :)
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Hello, a question: what calibers where prohibited in the past?
Good Grief...
That place must be in the middle town !
That is by far the most amount of Ar500 Steel I have ever soon on a shooting range.
That layer on the redundant concrete wall behind the berm is just hilarious. Is this by law?
How much is the fee for this range? This must have cost crazy amounts.
@@mediumeffort3315 Why would any insurance lower is fees for a third or fourth level of redundancy? That makes no sense.
@@mediumeffort3315 I dont think that is the case here. And honestly, I dont know of any accident that ever happened on a shooting range other then someone tripping over brass.
At least in germany our ranges get checked by official range experts. Even if something would happen at first he would be in trouble. Only then, when it is proven that the range owner did something wrong intentionally he will be in trouble.
Thee is regulations for ranges, but non requires weird quadruple redundancies. Our range for example has A Rubber Backstop in front of a concret wall. The Thickness of the rubber gets checked, and steel plates make sure nothing can fly over the trap.
What else would you do? have another wall behind the wall and then another berm in case some bullet turns into a guided missile? That makes no sense.
Simple, a lot of people hate the idea of a shooting range, if anything happends(injury, rounds going out of the range) the range is going to close. The laws are not very detailed so if the range ends up in court the have to show they have done the impossible to avoid anything.
In Italy usually ranges cost about 50-100€/year(for insurance and subscription fee) plus about 12-25€ for trip(every range has different fees), they are almost all like this one
@@mediumeffort3315 Up here in Washington it's completely different, there are some state laws governing ranges, but for the most part it's regulated by city ordinances. My range is literally all dirt, situated in a large gully, and has none of these 'safety' features. They would be cost-prohibitive and the range would likely be financially nonviable. The range is backed by a large hill (read 'mountain' to you flat-landers) which helps, but a major walking/biking trail is half-way up the hillside. So here in the states I'd go further to say rule/regs vary widely by state (parts of AZ and NV have almost no rules, while in CA and NY it's exorbitantly regulated and nearly illegal), and even then local counties and cities have a much bigger influence over what is 'required'. The local sociopolitical leanings also play a big part in jurisdictional courts, as they have case history siding with companies/defendants over plaintiffs as well. Insurance can play a big part, but in my experience it's largely driven by location and the types of people that attend your range.
I do find it entertaining how we Americans find European standards often as 'overkill', while my European colleagues view our standards as 'death traps' or 'accidents waiting to happen'. Yet I know many rural ranges with very minimal engineering that have never had a major accident in nearly 50 years.
Hey, we still really need to know how you mounted the camera for the first person shots with the Chiappa Little Badger ;) Great video btw.
I was aiming through the viewfinder of the camera. In a very awkward position, and that's where some of the shaking comes from
@@Backyard.Ballistics Absolute legend, that's a great shot both literally and visually! 😁
3:15 got to be pretty paranoid to want something like that.
When are you gonna make that really fast pellet gun
Is the powder/propellant used in bullets is ammonium nitrate?.
the AR500 at the end really, really is overkill - I think the only thing that would get through the embankment would be a shipmounted railgun O_o nothing handheld
Yes, thats a bit silly....
yea there is no point for it
I guess that's there just so that authorities can't say anything about over-penetration and give some silly fine
That much AR500 didn't come cheap!
it is not only overkill, it is completely useless. Technically it's less useful than a chocolate teapot. I still have to understand why the safety authority asked us to do that (I didn't put that in the original design)
Edit: it wasn't too expensive though, we bought Hardox 450 by SSAB, and it's AR450 to be precise (the AR stands for abrasion resistant, and the number is the Brinell hardness) , and it comes at around 1.5€ per kilo. Overall it was about 2000€. It's still wasted money though, so I'll try to convince the authority to let us remove it and use it for future projects
00:14 - [EDIT: I easily found them via web search- beautiful artwork!] Are you able to tell me how I can buy/find/obtain any of those drawings framed behind you? I'm viewing on a tiny phone screen, but I recognize a Browning...is it a Hi-Power (or perhaps proto-version of a 1911?)...and what appears to be a Colt CAR15 two (3) pictures right of that? Man, I'd love to find prints of that (evident) quality. Please let me know! And of course, a big thank you for BB videos.
Un genio. Ma che lavoro fai?
Huh, the range I go to has pretty much none of these, but then again, its situated on game lands with pretty much nothing for several miles in the shooter's direction. We do have a giant berm, and the air circulation is excellent, given the fact that it's a covered outdoor range, so the chance of CO poisoning is practically zero. I do always find it interesting to see bullet holes in surfaces and think "how did that fuckwit manage that," then remember that I have a hole in my range bag from muzzle gases, which usually knocks some sense back into me.
very cool my range is a dirt pile the county owns zero rules and range officers so we are our own safety and leo train there too.
Well, you certainly must be trained on safety then ;)
@@Backyard.Ballistics very much so ive been handgun shooter since i was like 3 or 4 my dad taught me well and i continue my firearms education everyday
can you make a video were you compare pistols
I'll see if I can fit it in, thanks for suggesting ;)
So at a typical 1 hour visit and 6 bays it probably sees 36 visits per day and 70 or so on weekends. That’s 320 visits per week so membership must be pricey to afford all this.
Can you pls chronograph gen 4 and gen 5 barrel of same caliber?
Where is this range in Italy?
which city are you in
What is with the one security camera per lane?
I see this in some long distance ranges for looking at the target on a monitor, at that distance is probably used for competition to check the target and calculate the score in live
it's just a camera pointed on the target, so that you can see the target on a monitor with the naked eye
Joerg Sprave of the Slingshot Channel recently is creating a TV show titled “Backyard Ballistics” which is exactly the title of your RUclips channel. I would do something about it
Is that Italy?
Your accent is awesome where are you from?
He is from (and still lives in) Italy.
The range I use is literally just a berm. Nothing else.
Here it is required by law that you shoot a gun at a certified range. No where else
Jesus Freaking Christ Almighty! Ranges like this battleship must be a European thing. Even our indoor ranges in urban areas aren't this crazily over-built. As for outdoor ranges, I live I one of those 00:35 places, we just drive like 10 minutes out of town.
Shooting range? ..... We don't need no stinking range! ...... Just natural teren , 0 investment, 0 work. Just exercise common sense....If by absurd anybody gets hit, it will be their own fault, trespassing has his risks. ..... And, some people own backhoes.
That is pretty overkill. Nothing can go trough that dirt backstop, so there is no need to put more safety measures behind it. And most outdoor shooting ranges have no barrier preventing you from shooting over the backstop like you have, but still bullets going over the wall is really rare.
And on a range like that IPSC shooting is not possible.
Different countries, different regulations.
I am from Germany, we also have extreme safety measures. Then shooting matches in Hungary, Slovakia and Finnland where you just had earth walls as backstop and on the sides was intersting. And nice because you really were outdoors.
@@CaptainComatose Well i am in Norway, and here it seems like the authority's is mostly concerned with noise mitigating measures rather than safety stuff on shooting ranges. But as i said with the kind of safety measures presented in this video IPSC or any other form of shooting with movement is impossible.
over kill
Nah..I'd love to have a debate about your thoughts..I think many are completely wrong..