Ok so the instrument at 11:28 could totally just be a synth. I swear I hear a flute of some kind layered under the square-ish kind of stuff, like some of you are saying it could just be processed/bitcrushed etc.
Could be a synth, the whole soundtrack has these tiny bits of 8bit soundchip instruments mixed in, possibly due to link's awakening roots and such. It's a nice contrast to the accoustic instruments imo.
Hi Indonesian here! Just wanna say thank you so much for doing this analysis! It warms my heart to see my culture being present in my favorite video game franchise. Phenomenal analysis. Love from Indonesia! ❤
I've never seen music theory of something from my own culture explained so well, and in such great detail! They don't teach these in schools over here; I think you have more appreciation for it than the majority here haha. Indonesia is sadly not that big of a cultural powerhouse and so people often miss the influences our cultures have on some pop media soundtracks. Whereas other culturally inspired music may get people saying "oh this sounds Hispanic-y!" or "this sounds Japanese-y!", they'd hear music like this one or Forgotten Isle from Mario Odyssey and go "oh, I love the jungle-y vibe in this" without Indonesia ever crossing their mind. I even found myself rethinking the way I see our own traditional instruments as I was watching this. The Sundanese suling for example; if I were to talk to my Western friends, I would just call it a flute. It just seemed like a clear translation, suling = flute. But when you showed the clip of someone playing it, I realized just how distinct its sound is from a flute or really any other Western wind instruments. I realized that just calling it by its name, the suling, is actually doing it the proper treatment of recognizing it as its own unique instrument 💛 Amazing video! Gonna share this with my Balinese friends hahah
There a pretty strong Gamelan culture/contingent at the New Zealand School of Music (Victoria University Wellington). I think one or two of the New Zealand old boys in the composer contingent was really taken with them, and managed to get their mitts on a whole set, so students often learn about it. I was immediately hyped to hear it in the Faron temple! (I didn't even clock that there were marimbas as well as the gamelan 0_0 my brain heard the scales and auto-filled them as just being gamelan)
Being a percussionist I was really interested in gamelan as a teen but couldn't find such detailed info about it back then (in the late 90's), such as the scales, tunings, patterns, or even the names of some of the instruments involved. It's good to see such info has become more common.
I spent this entire video thinking "oh so many of these sounds now that they're isolated make me think of Lost Kingdom...but no that's probably too simplistic" and then Cadence brought it up at the end! This one was fascinating, thank you so much for talking about Gamelan in such an accessible way.
To your question around 13:34, measures 35 and 36 remind me of the beginning of the Ocarina of Time's Ganon theme, where Ganondorf rises from the castle rubble and transforms into Ganon
As soon as she noted that she'd heard that leitmotif before, I went back and listened again and immediately came to the same conclusion, that it's a rehash of the fanfare at the beginning of "Last Battle." I knew that sounded familiar!
11:12 !! I love listening to 2 separate things on different ears. Theres a video where one ear is the undertale OST and the other one is the undertale OST from memory- and the slight differences in tempo/rhythm/instrumentation GO WILDDDDD
I think part of the reason a lot of people like Nintendo despite the stigma of "But they do child's stuff" is because Nintendo's games feel like if an indie studio had AAA money. The personality and passion in every one of their best games feels like someone poured their heart and soul into it, in everything from the visuals to the music.
i did a presentation on indonesian gamelan in my ib music class and this was so fun to watch and be like "i know what she is going to say! pelog selisir!"
I love how much culture and history went into this piece!! It’s this kind of detail that separates an iconic world building soundtrack from simple background music.
17:00 In a music producer interview, the composers talked about how Hyness' Theme from Kirby Star Allies is also gamelan. (There's also, obviously, K.K. Marathon)
holy shit this is so well made, i’m glad someone broke this song down. this & jabul ruins are truly beautiful additions to the zelda dungeon music catalogue 🕊️
I literally just finished EoW tonight, and all I gotta say about the music is that the Faron Temple was definitely the most interesting part of the game’s soundtrack
Amazing video, also really loved this theme when playing! About the counter-melody in the B-Section (at 10:00 in this video) - I understood the slightly chiptune-y sound as a reference to earlier soundtracks, like in the little Ost you get when transforming into link. Also while watching the last part of the video I realized both the motif and sound are actually feel linked to the bit from twilight princess you played!
the bit at 13:35 was definitely giving me old school zelda dungeon vibes, like the music in a link to the past's dungeons i think! could be just a coincidence though 😭 love the video!!!
Awesome breakdown! It’s great to know the inspiration for this amazing theme. 🙂 About the bit of the song that you said sounded familiar from other Zelda games: I could definitely be wrong, but it sounded to me like part of the Ganon’s Tower theme.
I haven’t finished the game yet so I won’t watch the whole thing, but I have to say: the whole ost for this game is SO GOOD. I love it. Also I play the clarinet and it’s rarely on the spotlight, but in that game it’s GREAT.
Realizing the OOT forest temple theme is partially in a Gamalan tuning explains a lot! The emotionality of that space would be so incredibly difficult to capture in 12 TET. That music production studio over in Nintendo is really cranking! I hope we start to see some new western microtonal music in some Nintendo games in the not too distant future!
For 13:30 The lower part of that melody is giving me vibes of the OOT Game Over theme. I'm not sure if that's correct. But that's the closest guess I have :)
Okay not the answer you're looking for lol, but that motif at 13:30 ish seemed really familiar and I think it might be used before in Zelda. The only thing I can hear there at the moment is like a distorted version of the bicycle theme in pokemon red/blue, where it reaches the climax of the track. ( 0:28 in this video: ruclips.net/video/nxU2UjAjN24/видео.html&ab_channel=pokemonmusicmaster )
The one windpipe instrument you weren't sure about might be a Shakuhachi, I think. I know Nintendo likes using the Shakuhachi in many places, for example in Mario Odysseys Bowser Kingdom, and I think in Lost Kingdom as well!
I originally thought you were gonna do the Eastern Temple theme but the Faron Temple is cool too Speaking of the Faron Temple, its main melody reminded me of “Don’t stop believin’”
11:49 I assume it's because im just not used to this style of music, but do you have any ideas why this section just hits my ears...wrongly? The majority of the piece I quite like, its just the end wind bit that seems off to me
About those quarter note melodies, I think the rhythm and sting-ness reminds me of the incidental cutscene music in Wind Waker, and the instruments/melody are more Twilight Princess. Great video!
Great video! Question about your transcription: How did you determine there were three different marimba parts? They seem to blend together - I can't tell them apart.
I put it into Logic and separated the L and R channels, and after 10 billion hours was able to hear the difference between the two main parts. The marimba 1 part might actually be 2 marimbas because the pan after the first two notes seems to be slightly different but i'm sure it's fine lmao
@CadenceHira Thanks for the info! I've been struggling through transcribing the Hyrule Field theme, and it's much, much simpler textures. Lot of respect for the work you put in!
I put it into Logic and separated the L and R channels, and after 10 billion hours was able to hear the difference between the two main parts. The marimba 1 part might actually be 2 marimbas because the pan after the first two notes seems to be slightly different but i'm sure it's fine lmao
I didn't know about gamelan until this video, but now that you've given a name to this sound, I'm almost dead certain that Hyness' first battle theme from Kirby: Star Allies is drawing on the exact same inspiration! Great vid!
Also, that three note leitmotif near the end of the B section might actually just be a reference to the flute melody of the A? The notes align pretty well, and the rhythm of the B feels like the A melody's rhythm just squashed slightly, though they diverge at the end. I couldn't place it from anywhere else in the franchise, but maybe both of them are meant to be a reference to something else? I dunno.
When you first started talking about Gamelan influence, I immediately recalled another Nintendo tune heavily influenced by that style: Lost Kingdom from Super Mario Odyssey. Similar to this temple, it had a more "rainforest" vibe and now I'm learning the soundtrack borrowed heavily from a region with a similar clime.
yknow i never thought about it but the reverse bell synth part at around 5:55 to me was immediately clocked as just the initial melodic fragment with a delay on it. which is not helpful when writing it out and you definitely hear it as a grouping of 5 notes decrescendo-ing. i dont think i have a point here besides that i should probably notate stuff that is very playable and prominent
Hey! I play in a gamelan here in Pennsylvania, where we play both Balinese and Javanese gamelan. So, the shimmering effect you mentioned is called "ombak." It literally means "wave." It's mostly a concept in Balinese gamelan, and it really only features in the gongs in Javanese gamelan. A note on the scales: Scale names vary by region. Pelog is a Javanese name. The scales are not specifically defined. Each gamelan ensemble is tuned uniquely from every other ensemble. Also, the usage of gamelan for a dungeon theme might be seen as offensive by some, given that gamelan can have court or religious connotations. The music has been modified to fit Western musical tastes, removed from its original meaning. It's a concept known as "Hungry Listening": the act of assuming other cultures have sounds that can be used like any other sound in the form of entertainment for Western audiences, completely divorced from their original meanings. This is especially problematic given Japan's involvement in Southeast Asia during WWII, and the fact that most Japanese citizens are ignorant to the atrocities committed by the Japanese military in the region (especially since the Japanese government doesn't acknowledge these atrocities).
We hear what could be considered "cultural appropriation" or "hungry listening" a lot in video game music. A bad composer would be stereotyping a musical style to set the scene for a part in the game (Desert/temple levels come to mind as a recurring example) A good composer may be working from their knowledge and appreciation of that musical style. You make a good point about the problematic history. As an (American) lover of Indonesian music, I am excited to hear the gamelan influence. All of the music in Echoes is done so so well, I like to assume the composer had best intentions. They brought their A game to this soundtrack.
@@CadenceHira I might have a problem :3 (Also wikipedia's diagram matches yours but also says that the 9tet 2L5s MOS scale is an accurate approximation (or maybe that was on xenharmonic wiki) so even wiki's diagram is wrong)
I played in a local gamelan when I was in high school, I think that's the best way to learn! Other than that, there's quite a few videos of people playing instruments/explaining scales/kotekan on youtube.
Have you heard of Beastieball? It’s a game that newly released early access and its music is absolutely INCREDIBLE in my opinion!! It’s made by Lena Raine!! She made pigstep for Minecraft!
Ok so the instrument at 11:28 could totally just be a synth. I swear I hear a flute of some kind layered under the square-ish kind of stuff, like some of you are saying it could just be processed/bitcrushed etc.
To me a recorder came to mind, but it could be anything
To my ears it sounds like a shakuhachi, or at least some sort of traditional wooden flute.
Could be a synth, the whole soundtrack has these tiny bits of 8bit soundchip instruments mixed in, possibly due to link's awakening roots and such. It's a nice contrast to the accoustic instruments imo.
to my ear it sounds like a nes triangle with a bit of white noise :) the porta phrasing is whats givin flute!
Hi Indonesian here! Just wanna say thank you so much for doing this analysis! It warms my heart to see my culture being present in my favorite video game franchise. Phenomenal analysis. Love from Indonesia! ❤
yes!!!! I also didn't hear the original faron temple theme, but it's so obvious we have javanese and balinese gamelan inspiration!!!! Kerennn bgt coii
Surprisingly Gamelan influences isn't actually that new to Nintendo games. SM64DS has a Gangsa section (I think?) in Fire Yoshi's theme, for example.
@@dadangsudadang5963 just listened to it and yeah it seems like it!! that's crazy, it's even in F# pelog selisir
I've never seen music theory of something from my own culture explained so well, and in such great detail! They don't teach these in schools over here; I think you have more appreciation for it than the majority here haha.
Indonesia is sadly not that big of a cultural powerhouse and so people often miss the influences our cultures have on some pop media soundtracks. Whereas other culturally inspired music may get people saying "oh this sounds Hispanic-y!" or "this sounds Japanese-y!", they'd hear music like this one or Forgotten Isle from Mario Odyssey and go "oh, I love the jungle-y vibe in this" without Indonesia ever crossing their mind.
I even found myself rethinking the way I see our own traditional instruments as I was watching this. The Sundanese suling for example; if I were to talk to my Western friends, I would just call it a flute. It just seemed like a clear translation, suling = flute. But when you showed the clip of someone playing it, I realized just how distinct its sound is from a flute or really any other Western wind instruments. I realized that just calling it by its name, the suling, is actually doing it the proper treatment of recognizing it as its own unique instrument 💛
Amazing video! Gonna share this with my Balinese friends hahah
There a pretty strong Gamelan culture/contingent at the New Zealand School of Music (Victoria University Wellington). I think one or two of the New Zealand old boys in the composer contingent was really taken with them, and managed to get their mitts on a whole set, so students often learn about it. I was immediately hyped to hear it in the Faron temple! (I didn't even clock that there were marimbas as well as the gamelan 0_0 my brain heard the scales and auto-filled them as just being gamelan)
That’s so cool! I never thought about Indonesian music or really most music from other cultures that aren’t really well known
Being a percussionist I was really interested in gamelan as a teen but couldn't find such detailed info about it back then (in the late 90's), such as the scales, tunings, patterns, or even the names of some of the instruments involved. It's good to see such info has become more common.
If you're in the United States, there are ensembles in just about every state. There's a Wikipedia page dedicated to US gamelan ensembles.
I spent this entire video thinking "oh so many of these sounds now that they're isolated make me think of Lost Kingdom...but no that's probably too simplistic" and then Cadence brought it up at the end! This one was fascinating, thank you so much for talking about Gamelan in such an accessible way.
7:55 is basically the first notes of Lost Kingdom's theme
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Nah thats related to this vid
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It’s very relevant
To your question around 13:34, measures 35 and 36 remind me of the beginning of the Ocarina of Time's Ganon theme, where Ganondorf rises from the castle rubble and transforms into Ganon
As soon as she noted that she'd heard that leitmotif before, I went back and listened again and immediately came to the same conclusion, that it's a rehash of the fanfare at the beginning of "Last Battle." I knew that sounded familiar!
My favorite Zelda game, The Wand of Gamelan
I hate how hard I laughed at this 😂
You could say Echoes of Wisdom is a redemption of Wand of Gamelon and everyone would believe it
11:12 !! I love listening to 2 separate things on different ears. Theres a video where one ear is the undertale OST and the other one is the undertale OST from memory- and the slight differences in tempo/rhythm/instrumentation GO WILDDDDD
A fine addition to my quest of consuming every bit of echos of wisdom except playing the actual game :p
relatable
You should play it. It's really fun
First thing that I said when I heard the Faron Temple music was "GAMELAN???"
has this secretly become a microtonal music theory channel? Amazing. You did it so gradually... just like Adam Neely used to do 5 years ago
YO STEPHEN!!!!!!
(also hbtl i can see clearly now transcription when :3)
I think part of the reason a lot of people like Nintendo despite the stigma of "But they do child's stuff" is because Nintendo's games feel like if an indie studio had AAA money. The personality and passion in every one of their best games feels like someone poured their heart and soul into it, in everything from the visuals to the music.
i did a presentation on indonesian gamelan in my ib music class and this was so fun to watch and be like "i know what she is going to say! pelog selisir!"
once again cadence hira is spitting
I love how much culture and history went into this piece!! It’s this kind of detail that separates an iconic world building soundtrack from simple background music.
7:55 forgotten isle my beloved ❤️
I knew I wasn't the only one who heard that
@@Avikado7 same! I love that theme and thought it was so obvious this tune takes inspiration from that one when I played the game
17:14 :D
@@motorhue Odyssey was the first game I played that was mine, so the soundtrack is hardwired in my brain
lol
17:00
In a music producer interview, the composers talked about how Hyness' Theme from Kirby Star Allies is also gamelan.
(There's also, obviously, K.K. Marathon)
That Faron Temple theme was a major bop my first playthrough. I had a feeling there was a LOT more to it than meets the eye
holy shit this is so well made, i’m glad someone broke this song down.
this & jabul ruins are truly beautiful additions to the zelda dungeon music catalogue 🕊️
This might be my favorite music theory video I've seen on RUclips. It's incredibly informative and interesting. Great job ... and thanks!!
Wow you just blew my mind with that roxanne mash up 😂 I wondered why the music sounded so familiar to me when playing that dungeon ❤ great video
8:00 love the little nod to Mario Oddessy and Gamelan's influence there, too, with the wonky ahh 11/8 time :D
When I heard the Faron Temple theme I almost immediately thought Mario Odyssey.
your’s has quickly become one of my very favorite channels
I've never heard of Gamelan before, but this video has sold me on it. Extremely interesting stuff !!
Just finished the faron dungeon (like litterally yesterday) and I noticed how complex the music was. I didnt understand why but now i know!
Fantastic thumbnail and great video. I'm mostly replying to boost your metrics. Happy holidays!
yup
Genuinely one of the best analyses I’ve seen of any video game music 🔥
I literally just finished EoW tonight, and all I gotta say about the music is that the Faron Temple was definitely the most interesting part of the game’s soundtrack
This video won't get off my feed. I do believe this is a sign.
The ganon theme from link to the past is in this game too! I remember your video on time signatures had it
Amazing video, also really loved this theme when playing! About the counter-melody in the B-Section (at 10:00 in this video) - I understood the slightly chiptune-y sound as a reference to earlier soundtracks, like in the little Ost you get when transforming into link. Also while watching the last part of the video I realized both the motif and sound are actually feel linked to the bit from twilight princess you played!
This is how i found out that the game is actually out?
It has been for a month 😭😭😭
the bit at 13:35 was definitely giving me old school zelda dungeon vibes, like the music in a link to the past's dungeons i think! could be just a coincidence though 😭 love the video!!!
Dang this is a really good analysis!! Super underrated
I just realized that this is so reminiscent of the Lost Kingdom theme in Super Mario Oddysey
Dang I made it to the end of the video and it turns out that that was already mentioned
11:34 that's an echoed square wave???
I'm so happy to see that you made a video going into detail of this track, I was so blown away when I played through the Deku Temple!!
Another marvelous video to an excellent collection
Ohhhhh this is such a cool video, thank you for the in depth analysis and all of the cultural background information!
awesome video with an incredible amount of work and investigation!! definitely keeping an eye on this channel, ty :)
this was so awesome! glad to have found a great new music theory person who talks about gamessss
Awesome breakdown! It’s great to know the inspiration for this amazing theme. 🙂
About the bit of the song that you said sounded familiar from other Zelda games: I could definitely be wrong, but it sounded to me like part of the Ganon’s Tower theme.
This is such a cool type of music theory I've never seen before! It makes beautiful music!
This reminds me, we need an analysis of Greenpath Hollow Knight, if only because I need more excuses to listen to it constantly
I'll almost certainly do a Hollow Knight/Silksong video when Silksong releases (in maybe 8 years)
@@CadenceHira That's a bucket list activity, given the current status of silksong
I have a middle school understanding of music theory but I absolutely loved your explanations and references. So intriguing and exciting!
I haven’t finished the game yet so I won’t watch the whole thing, but I have to say: the whole ost for this game is SO GOOD. I love it. Also I play the clarinet and it’s rarely on the spotlight, but in that game it’s GREAT.
shoutout to Xiu Xiu for making me aware of Gamelan
I love your videos, thanks for doing what you do!
Realizing the OOT forest temple theme is partially in a Gamalan tuning explains a lot! The emotionality of that space would be so incredibly difficult to capture in 12 TET. That music production studio over in Nintendo is really cranking! I hope we start to see some new western microtonal music in some Nintendo games in the not too distant future!
I like the marimba its a really interesting instrument. Never thought that when I started band I would become a marimba player.
I am half Indonesian and I never knew this much about gamelan. Thank you so much for this interesting journey
For 13:30 The lower part of that melody is giving me vibes of the OOT Game Over theme. I'm not sure if that's correct. But that's the closest guess I have :)
I often heard that type of sounds and found it very interesting but didn't know about the term Gamelan itself
Glad to learn from this video!
11:28 I always thought that was just a chiptune synth, just with most of the signature chiptune "edges" cleaned off.
zelda: wand of gamelan
I love gamelan and had no idea it was in this game! Maybe I'll have to try it out... Really good analysis too; I learned a lot!
This is a really cool and unique analysis, thanks!
Okay not the answer you're looking for lol, but that motif at 13:30 ish seemed really familiar and I think it might be used before in Zelda. The only thing I can hear there at the moment is like a distorted version of the bicycle theme in pokemon red/blue, where it reaches the climax of the track. ( 0:28 in this video: ruclips.net/video/nxU2UjAjN24/видео.html&ab_channel=pokemonmusicmaster )
oh cool im happy to see someone else is incredibly obsessed with this song in particular.
The one windpipe instrument you weren't sure about might be a Shakuhachi, I think. I know Nintendo likes using the Shakuhachi in many places, for example in Mario Odysseys Bowser Kingdom, and I think in Lost Kingdom as well!
I originally thought you were gonna do the Eastern Temple theme but the Faron Temple is cool too
Speaking of the Faron Temple, its main melody reminded me of “Don’t stop believin’”
11:49 I assume it's because im just not used to this style of music, but do you have any ideas why this section just hits my ears...wrongly? The majority of the piece I quite like, its just the end wind bit that seems off to me
probably the most "atonal" part of the tune? this part doesn't have much of a key center + the microtones create these subtle dissonances
Roxanne in moulin rouge is so good
🍥 Amazing analysis. First time one this channel for me and wow am I impressed. Good content . 🍥
About those quarter note melodies, I think the rhythm and sting-ness reminds me of the incidental cutscene music in Wind Waker, and the instruments/melody are more Twilight Princess. Great video!
I could not transcribe this... well done!!
The music of Lanayru Temple is rather good too. But Faron is next level.
Great video! Question about your transcription: How did you determine there were three different marimba parts? They seem to blend together - I can't tell them apart.
I put it into Logic and separated the L and R channels, and after 10 billion hours was able to hear the difference between the two main parts. The marimba 1 part might actually be 2 marimbas because the pan after the first two notes seems to be slightly different but i'm sure it's fine lmao
@CadenceHira Thanks for the info! I've been struggling through transcribing the Hyrule Field theme, and it's much, much simpler textures. Lot of respect for the work you put in!
My favorite is the water dungeon theme. It’s very impressionistic (or for a more modern comparison: John Williams)
this video is actually so cool
How the heck were you able to tease apart the different marimba parts? O_o
I put it into Logic and separated the L and R channels, and after 10 billion hours was able to hear the difference between the two main parts. The marimba 1 part might actually be 2 marimbas because the pan after the first two notes seems to be slightly different but i'm sure it's fine lmao
@@CadenceHira Thank you for your dedication o7
My ADHD ass could never
Great transcription
the firts time I entered the temple that theme slap me harder than my mother used to
Just wait until the Fusion community discovers “Balom Dungeon”… 🤯
wait i just realized the outro is a bossa nova reimagining of sadness and sorrow 😭
Was the example melody at 7:55 from Lost Kingdom? :3
7:55 forgotten isle jumpscare
I'm so glad someone else got the Roxanne vibe from Eldin Temple!
4:19 Pelog selisir - more like yuri on ice
When you said Microtonal Gamelan in the thumbnail, I thought it was a reference to the CDI games lol
I didn't know about gamelan until this video, but now that you've given a name to this sound, I'm almost dead certain that Hyness' first battle theme from Kirby: Star Allies is drawing on the exact same inspiration! Great vid!
And the Lost World in Mario Odyssey
Also, that three note leitmotif near the end of the B section might actually just be a reference to the flute melody of the A? The notes align pretty well, and the rhythm of the B feels like the A melody's rhythm just squashed slightly, though they diverge at the end. I couldn't place it from anywhere else in the franchise, but maybe both of them are meant to be a reference to something else? I dunno.
Glad I'm not the only one who was reminded of Puppet Offering.
When you first started talking about Gamelan influence, I immediately recalled another Nintendo tune heavily influenced by that style: Lost Kingdom from Super Mario Odyssey. Similar to this temple, it had a more "rainforest" vibe and now I'm learning the soundtrack borrowed heavily from a region with a similar clime.
oop, you mention this towards the end
Thanks you!
cool analysis, I enjoyed this track but barely paid attention while playing
0:53 🗣🔥🔥🔥
I need that full Moulin Rouge mashup
yknow i never thought about it but the reverse bell synth part at around 5:55 to me was immediately clocked as just the initial melodic fragment with a delay on it. which is not helpful when writing it out and you definitely hear it as a grouping of 5 notes decrescendo-ing. i dont think i have a point here besides that i should probably notate stuff that is very playable and prominent
Hey! I play in a gamelan here in Pennsylvania, where we play both Balinese and Javanese gamelan.
So, the shimmering effect you mentioned is called "ombak." It literally means "wave." It's mostly a concept in Balinese gamelan, and it really only features in the gongs in Javanese gamelan.
A note on the scales: Scale names vary by region. Pelog is a Javanese name. The scales are not specifically defined. Each gamelan ensemble is tuned uniquely from every other ensemble.
Also, the usage of gamelan for a dungeon theme might be seen as offensive by some, given that gamelan can have court or religious connotations. The music has been modified to fit Western musical tastes, removed from its original meaning. It's a concept known as "Hungry Listening": the act of assuming other cultures have sounds that can be used like any other sound in the form of entertainment for Western audiences, completely divorced from their original meanings. This is especially problematic given Japan's involvement in Southeast Asia during WWII, and the fact that most Japanese citizens are ignorant to the atrocities committed by the Japanese military in the region (especially since the Japanese government doesn't acknowledge these atrocities).
We hear what could be considered "cultural appropriation" or "hungry listening" a lot in video game music. A bad composer would be stereotyping a musical style to set the scene for a part in the game (Desert/temple levels come to mind as a recurring example) A good composer may be working from their knowledge and appreciation of that musical style. You make a good point about the problematic history. As an (American) lover of Indonesian music, I am excited to hear the gamelan influence. All of the music in Echoes is done so so well, I like to assume the composer had best intentions. They brought their A game to this soundtrack.
8:00 OMBOK MENTIONED 🗣️🔥🔊🗣️🔥🔊🗣️🔥🔊
@7:38 the B should be 33 cents flat
shoot you're right, good catch
@@CadenceHira I might have a problem :3 (Also wikipedia's diagram matches yours but also says that the 9tet 2L5s MOS scale is an accurate approximation (or maybe that was on xenharmonic wiki) so even wiki's diagram is wrong)
RAAAAAH shoulda studied music theory when I had the opportunity. Great video tho
0:50 - "Rock-sanne"? :-)
Where did you learn things about gamelan? I want to study more about gamelan too! Can you share some learning sources? 🥺
it's okay too if the source has some heavy music theory stuffs 🎼
I played in a local gamelan when I was in high school, I think that's the best way to learn! Other than that, there's quite a few videos of people playing instruments/explaining scales/kotekan on youtube.
for English language resources check out the lectures on Nusantara Arts youtube channel (Check out the music as well 🙂)
@@CadenceHira Okay thankss!!! I will look for gamelan community nearby 💛
Two Nintendo songs jump out as related, Super Mario Odyssey “Forgotten Isle”, and less so Super Mario 64 ghost house.
> Gamelan
You can't just say that without warning, we Zelda fans still have PTSD from LoZ: Wand of Gamelon
Yeah!
Have you heard of Beastieball? It’s a game that newly released early access and its music is absolutely INCREDIBLE in my opinion!! It’s made by Lena Raine!! She made pigstep for Minecraft!
Forest Temple fans be eating
At 13:36, it reminds me of some sort of boss clear fanfare or something, but I can’t recall which one
0:17 : more what themes? Subtitles say “inmic” but it sounds like “inthemic”, and I don’t recognize either as a word I’ve heard
anthemic
@ Thanks!