Why would he go through the trouble to get all the trash ready to be taken out and then not take it? And why would he open a snack and not eat it. Plus I believe he wouldn’t leave his little brother alone on purpose. Very fishy. My heart goes out to this family. Maybe the FBI needs to be called in.
When there is that many inconsistencies the case should automatically be handed off to another county or to the state or to the FBI to start over from scratch. I typically believe parents intuition because they know their child more than anyone else ever could. This case needs to be handed over and investigated properly.
Pretty sure the neighbor’s camera was aimed at his/her own backyard, but was in a position and angle that it caught some of Ramona and Jared’s backyard within its range.
They were probably facing his own backyard, or maybe it got bumped. If it was something nefarious, the cameras would have been working. Regardless, it's unfortunate it wasn't working.
It's against the law for anyone to film or take pictures or have their home security cameras invade another person's private property and you can lay a complaint. It's different if your home security cameras happen to capture activity outside of your own property as in the case of Chris Watts where the neighbor's security cameras (which were affixed so they'd be able to see their own driveway) captured Chris' actions on his driveway after he committed the murders of his wife & children.
I don't believe he took his life... it just doesn't make sense. 😔 I really feel for his family. I can't begin to imagine what they are going through! Thank you guys for all of the work you do bringing these cases to us!
Homicide vs self harm. You have to look at why he would want to take his own life. I see it because I lived it too. He feels his situation is unfair, and it’s not rational at that age. He is caretaking a 2 yr old, his sister gets to come and go to play sports while he has an alarm to tell him to do the chores. Poor kid was treated differently than his siblings. Those issues are big to a kid, especially if it happens frequently. I could not do extra curricular activities or have a job as I had to care take my intellectually disabled sister. I had to go directly home after school or stay home when school was not in session. I couldn’t even stop by a friend’s house after school. My all-star older brother got play sports, not do chores, and hang out with friends. He was 6 yrs older. 50 yrs later I still resent the responsibility I was given, and I couldn’t be in band, cheerleading, dance, or leave the house/yard. Both my parents worked, then my dad died when I was 12 yrs old. You slow simmer the older favorite child gets to come and go. You see it as unfair and favoritism by your parents. Kids make a decision in a minute that last forever. I see why he would have opted out. Evidence: I have poor vision and still can do things without my glasses, go to restroom, dress myself, make my bed. Tell me his prescription for his glasses so I can determine if he was blind without them. The police can obtain video footage from other people’s homes by request or search warrant. People are not rational most of the time when they take their own life, so because he used this item and not that one means little. Mom is blaming everyone so she doesn’t have to look at herself. I feel sorry for the family, but I see why he would take his life.
@@aftertheheadlines I often see cases (especially in the series "DISAPPERED") where loved ones of missing people will do anything to think the worst case scenario, even when there's not a shred of evidence to suggest foul play, rather than accept that their loved one may have met their sad demise by their own actions.
@@aftertheheadlines I also don't think it's appropriate for a 12 yr old to be playing a (13 yrs & older) video game where the goal of the game is to kill everyone, let alone while his 2 yr brother is plunked down beside him, to watch him play the game! Hello parents? Anyone home?
Why would he wear his step fathers clothes? Why were his glasses broken on the floor? Why would he make a snack and not eat it? Why would he do it while he was the only person watching his 2 year old brother? Why would he put a bag and a belt over his head? Why were his feet not dirty at all? Why would he take the bags out like he was going to take them out but then stopped? Why wouldn’t they check for sexual assault? Why were his shoes kicked off in a weird way? Why was the 2 year old hiding in a corner? Why was the thermostat set to 80 degrees? Way too many questions. Someone got away with murder. The parents need to ask for a meeting with the detective and ask them all these questions.
I agree. I’m also a person who can’t stand to be barefoot. I won’t even go to my own bathroom in the middle of the night without putting flip flops on. There is no way in hell I would ever kick my shoes off outdoors and just walk around. If I were ever found that way, question it! All of this seems really complicated for a “sudden” suicide. I don’t think a normal, happy 12 year old has the intestinal fortitude to do all of this. It really feels off. That poor family. Losing their son like that and then have every door slammed in their faces.
Too many things point to murder. This boy enjoyed life, he didn’t commit suicide. My heart goes out to his parents. I hope they get justice for their son.
Weird! I can't even guess what happened. Very strange that the cops and family are so at odds about what happened. They obviously aren't agreeing on the evidence that can't be disputed. One side or the other has got it wrong.😢
If so, who might know the layout of the house enough to know where to look for the dads clothes, the helmet bags and string, and the time window to do this? If anything, an inside job.
I'm struggling with how he would have managed the bag over his head and then the belt tightly restraining his hands to his sides. There's so many evil people out there! I'm not thinking suicide!!!
Thank you SO Much for discussing this poor boys case! Very few true crimers have touched it. Harsh Reality was one of the first. This case haunts me! One thing that wasn't mentioned: the family didn't normally lick the backdoor. They felt very safe there. Also they were getting ready to go on another trip. Sean was excited about it. He seemed like such a happy kid. What kid does their homework before deciding to off themselves??? No way! I have a theory that this family may have had a squatter in their house while they were on their Disney trip. And when they came home the squatter hid inside the house (like maybe the attic) and waited for his chance. This was the first time Sean was ever left alone with his brother. I can't see any other way someone would have got to Sean unless they were already in the house.
What a strange case. Does seem unusual for a 12 year old to do this to himself. I would like to say though that being blind (or "nearly blind") isn't a barrier to the acts in question.
There is no way that little boy took his own life! What reason would his brother have for hiding? Why would he even bother with trash or to fix himself a snack? Why would he use a belt around his hands? Why would he bother going outside? Just doesn’t make sense. Thanks for this recap, I hope you are able to do a follow up…..
Scary thing is this person might have been watching them. Could be someone who lives very close. They must’ve know the parents were not there. Heartbreaking 💔
What I noticed is the mom talking but where the dad? Why would he be put in his father's clothing? Wasn't it about a 45 minute window... Whoever did this, knew when to do it. Sadly, it's most often the mom or dad and if this young man has mentioned hurting himself before, it's very possible... 🌈 💜 🌈
Why would a 12 yr old even think to bind his arms to commit suicide? However, if other son was telling truth about someone chasing them around, caught older boy, restrained him and hitting could gaveled to him being unconscious. Could have heard sister knocking on door so carried boy out to stage death, thus boys ft clean and why barefoot. Then could have hid somewhere in yard or snuck out in chaos of her finding boy, removing from set, calling 911 etc. Since initial thought suicide, wouldn't have thought to look for murderer escaping. Now, my question would be over why was officer seeming to counter details and why the camera footage wasnt legally bbn obtained
I feel this was some sort of retaliation against the stepdad & they were sending a message to the stepdad by putting Sean in his clothes. This is all just conjecture, I've brainstormed this case . Thank you once again!
There is a comforting delusion shared by many people that all children are happy. I first contemplated suicide when I was ten years old because I was being sexually abused repeatedly. So many of these comments point out that putting peaches in a bowl and then killing yourself instead of eating them is irrational. Or how hating to be barefoot, but then going outside barefoot is irrational. Someone who is killing himself will probably do unusual things , because, of course, suicide itself is irrational. I am as skeptical as other people about law enforcement and their shoddy behavior, but I do not think suicide can be ruled out. The family needs to go beyond the local police to the state or federal level if they have not already. If I had succeeded in killing myself when I was a kid, my family would never have believed it was suicide. I cannot imagine what his family is going through. I feel very, very sorry for this poor boy and his family whatever actually happened.
He definitely did not do that himself. He was looking after his little bro & wouldn't have just left him alone. The change of clothes is weird aswell, I'd be looking for a killer. Also, the killer will most likely do it again or has done it before.........so sad & terrifying.
I have heard of this case and I think a lot of it is being overlooked and hidden by the police and investors for some reason or another someone is hiding something what a shame as he was just a child. May he rest in peace and justice comes soon for him and the family so they can have closer.
A 12 year old thought all of this up by himself? That landscaper knows more than what he is not saying. And why would the other family not show the police the surveillance footage. This whole story is strange.
Thanks for the recap. I don't know what happened. To me, the evidence is too obscure and points in too many different directions. I wonder whether the neighbor really refuses to give up the surveillance video or whether that story is another part of authorities using deception to keep the killer off guard.
Didn't Ramona call Sean and suggest he take his little brother upstairs with him to watch as he played video games?... THEN THE 2 YEAR OLD WASN'T ASLEEP.🤷🏼♀️
How horrific for his family. I know it doesn't seem plausible but I once worked with a lady whose nine year old daughter hung herself. She was literally getting in their family car to go out to eat and said she needed to use the restroom before they left. When she didn't come back ,they went to check and she had hung herself with a belt in the bathroom. There are a lot of things about the little boys case that bring up questions but impromptu suicides do happen in young children. I am sorry for his family and I do hope they will find the truth and peace.
There are just too many questions in this case. I honestly feel like someone got away with murder. I do not believe that he committed suicide with all the evidence (and lack of evidence). So sad for the parents.
Sounds like one of those cases where none of the theories makes particular sense. If I had to pick one, I would say suicide but yeah, if I were the family, I wouldn’t accept that when there are some weird circumstances.
Black out game. Eerily like the kid with the karate band and the other with a tie from a robe. Makes more sense then anything I heard from either side in this one. Heartbreaking, especially what the mind and memory creates around a traumatic event
To me this goes back to a que bon (who benefits?) situation. The tightness of the timeline precludes any outside actor from committing the murder. No time for thrill of the thrill killer: no time for the bully to bully and escalate to murder. People have certainly died playing black out games both with an erotic element and not. However, I think those people are often found in their bedroom, not on a swing set with a bag over their head. IMO it must have been self-harm just as Police said he threatened earlier.
This is such a perplexing and haunting case. Poor boy, I don't believe he did this to himself (most ppl just dont believe it either) He seemed such a sweet, happy boy according to all who knew him. There's no way he would have left his 2yr old brother vulnerable. Although saying that, it was way too much responsibility for a 12yr old to look after a toddler imho. The Mum should have at least taken the 2yr old with her. We all have to do that with small children.
Oh jeez, this story is horrible. And no ending os a good ending. You either have a son who hung himself or a corrupt police department. And who knows how far that rabbit hole goes. I really hope the family find those answers x
Finally some one talks about this something heinous happened to that poor boy there’s no way he did that himself this was well planned by the community
Loving all the crime stories you and Amy tell. Thank-you from across the pond in the uk Manchester As for this case it definitely sounds like murder and with both parents working for military airforce maybe it could be something to with their like of work? I hope that they get justice for their son may he rest in peace ❤
Not unusual for a 12 year old who is knee deep in video games (even needing an alarm to remind him to do his chores). Its hard for families to come to terms with it, most common in denial. Sad story.
There is a murder case in my little town. The guy was tortured for a day or two. Then they killed him, while recording it. Anyway it's a death penalty case
It's so sad to know this mother doesn't have help or support from the officers in her area to help her be sure of how her son died. That heartbreaking imo... and I don't believe he ended his own life. I hope they can find who did this... yes I believe the little bro seen something. What ? Idk... he probably won't ever forget it tho
This hits home 😕When I was in middle school I lost two friends back to back within a month or two- Dustin was 13 he passed away in a dirt bike accident (we got out of school at 3ish, both of his parents didn't get off until 8, his elder sister was in college out of state, his little brother who was in Elementary school was with their grandparents that day, and despite not being allowed to ride his dirt bike until his parents were home kids will be kids and he did it anyways ended up crashing being thrown off and hitting his head severe brain/head injury but sadly no one got home for a couple of hours and by then it was too late- I was 13 at the time i'm 32 now and I can still clearly remember the big goose egg swollen spot on his head at his viewing) and the other Daniel was 12 he committed suicide (everyone knew he had a bad home life and was a quiet really intelligent kid but we didn't know how bad things truly were especially the mental and emotional pain he was in until after it happened which sadly is normally the case with people who commit suicide- he hung himself from his bed post and we found out later he had attempted many times before that). And then when I was in high school 10th grade a classmate/good friend of my friend who was 16 committed suicide (his girl friend of a year had cheated on him, broken up with him, and he hung himself in his friend's dad's barn from one of the rafters- heartbreakingly it was another one of his friends who found him). I've suffered from depression, anxiety, suicidal thoughts, and suicidal actions since I was 10/11 (my first attempt was at 11 and had tried and failed multiple times after that but it's been probably 8 years since my last attempt) and besides losing my friends I had also lost my grandma the same year right before I lost my two friends so it really was a crazy time for me emotionally and brought me front and center to death. I'm really not sure if this poor boy actually committed suicide or if it was murder and staged but no matter what my heart goes out to his loved ones, can't imagine what they're going through ❤️😕 And hopefully it brings them comfort knowing that no matter how much time passes he will ALWAYS be in his friends and loved ones heart (like I said before i'm 32 and I lost my friends when I was 13 and they're still very much in my heart all these years later) ❤️
This makes me angry. There's way more to this story that can be reconstructed. I'm annoyed that the police and FBI dont care to investigate more/ignore signs. I wanna know more about the Dad and his connections
He did not take his own life, if his feet could touch the ground he would have stood as the panic of asphyxiation took him. Also his little brother saying he was chased by "a friend" and getting punched is a pretty detailed story. Why would he lie? He could have just as easily said that Sean put a belt around himself, a bag over his head and then went to the swingset. A 2 year old wouldnt think he needed to make up a story. He said what he saw happen. I hope they get answers!
If he cutt off the blood flow you can go out instantly.. I train jui jitsu I've been choked out many times blood chokes.. you go out very fast... He could have cut the blood off then hung there and then suffocated
The questions are, What reason would he have had to hang himself? Was he being bullied at school? Was he being s*****y abused by a member of the family or a friend? Why was Sean's feet clean if it was a muddy garden that time? How the heck did he tie the belt so tight and how did he place all the other stuff on his body including the bag on his head. The family are hiding a lot from the police I get this vibe that there is something more sinister to this case.
How many 12 year olds face the pressure of being a good student, 2 parents in the military, baby sitting...he even had chores and a reminder alarm to take the trash out. Lots of things a older teen couldn't do. Maybe the parents don't want to face the possibility he couldnt take it? Obviously this is speculative but on the flip side of the coin, why was his brother hiding?
I agree with you.. It's a lot for such a young person. But how did he tie the belt around his own arms and why the black bag over the head.. It's fishy either way.
@@elizaleroux9173 maybe he had a fetish? People have committed suicide in straight jackets or with no rope or weapon. I knew a kid who hung himself in the 5th grade, kids will do it. The belt is interesting; definitely could be a murder but it's also very possible it's suicide. The host explains possible ways he placed the belt himself.
@@rmsg7504 I actually went to search.. You right.. Kids sometimes do weird hangings themselves, just to be different.. Absolutely sad what is happening with these children.. I was so shocked at how they planned these things. Heartbreaking.. Thank God my sons made it past that age..
Based on the way his body was found how on earth could they rule that as suicide 💔💔… I thought the sister moved his body and they tried walking her through cpr so how did the police or paramedics move it to try to save him not adding up
I want to know what kind of info can be found on his devices leading up to his death. If he did this to himself he must have gotten the idea somewhere.
This has all the hallmarks of a bondage-related murder- the marks of a sexual sadist. I think there’s also significance to him leaving the brother alive (the 2 yr old). Maybe he was interrupted when the sister began knocking? It seems like he intended on killing the boy inside (thus the thermostat set at 80 degrees). The timeline is very important, how long would a killer have to come in, neutralize (and poss sexually assault) the boy, crank thermostat, find all the bindings and change victim’s clothes, then carry out the hanging? This will reveal a lot about whether the perp knew the family or the house’s layout.
It’s hard to rely on a child for information. It’s not that they would or wouldn’t could or couldn’t lie, but there was a case where a little girl falsely ID’d her uncle as the rapist/murderer or her grandmother (she was an Eye witness) years later he was exonerated for it because of DNA. It was a man that looked like him. I believe she was 4 or 5 not sure on that detail. Eye witnesses in general aren’t as reliable as we would like to think, add inexperience to that, and you may get a failed ID.
He had too many responsibilities for a 12 yr old. Straight home from school to do chores and babysit a 2 yr old.??? An alarm to take out the garbage? 16 yr old girl was coming home to go right back out. Looks like parents neglected their child and now looking for someone to blame for their own shortcomings. Being in the military I'm sure they were strict too. And what's with all the lies from the mom? Dirty muddy backyard, and red stains and the toddler crying and now saying he saw someone???
This is so sad. He was clearly VERY CLEAR he was murdered. How the hell would he have tied the belt and hands around his waist? Ridiculous they could even think this is a suicide..
Playing devil's advocate, how could an outsider have done this without anyone seeing him bringing a dead body or killing him out in the yard?? Seems like a message being sent ie the stepfathers clothes worn
I saw this case on a Stephanie Harlowe deep dive and this whole thing is baffling. There's absolutely no way. The authorities fumbled this in the worst way
Sometimes, a simple explanation like suicide ,it's very difficult for the loved ones to accept. I don't blame them for applying pressure on the police to continue investigating.
It’s hard to rely on a child for information. It’s not that they would or wouldn’t could or couldn’t lie, but there was a case where a little girl falsely ID’d her uncle as the rapist/murderer or her grandmother (she was an Eye witness) years later he was exonerated for it because of DNA. It was a man that looked like him. I believe she was 4 or 5 not sure on that detail. Eye witnesses in general aren’t as reliable as we would like to think, add inexperience to that, and you may get a failed ID or wrong info. I don’t believe it was suicide either.
Family never wants to believe suicide, because they have to look at themselves. As someone who had to caretake a disable sister, who had to do the chores while my older brother played sports, I wouldn’t be surprised if he ended his life. He didn’t finish his chores, he gave up. No photos or body cameras by first responders. I wear glasses and have poor vision, you can still see somewhat to go to the bathroom or off yourself. I don’t know what happened, but I can see Shawn’s psyche. Sister gets to come and go, he is left to babysit and do chores. Sounds like the kid bad enough. Let’s blame murder and a conspiracy by officials.
There is nothing to suggest that the little boy was not allowed to partake after school activities such as sport only that he was asked to baby sit his little brother while his parents took his grandmother and little brother for their doctors appointments and his sister was at tennis practice,as for chores,he had to take the trash out,it didn't say his sister or even his two little brothers didn't have some kind of chores.
It's some kind of revenge against the Mother. This wasn't to kill the kid or su.ic-ide, those could have been done quicker and less complicated. Some [immature?] mind has set this up to shock the mother, with some clumsy message via choice of clothes and removal of underwear. This is truly bizarre.
Hello Chris and Amy! Honestly, the case is so convoluted nothing can be ruled out. Hopefully, this is a good legal compartment that is holding truth to chest. Blessings to all.
Wwooww, there's no way I believe it's a suicide case!!! There's too much evidence pointing to a homicide!!!!! So sad for the family!!!!! Thank you, Chris and Amy!!! I love y'all and hope y'all are having a great weekend!!!!
Thank you both for keeping this case alive. It seems very suspicious. There is no harm in keeping this in the forefront. I definitely dont think this is a suicide at all. May the family find truth and peace. 🕊️❤️🙏 Definitely a case with more questions than answers.
I don’t think he took his own life. The Sheriff’s Department dropped the ball on this one. Honestly,I believe the what two year old.There’s never anything more worse than losing a child. May he Rest In Peace 🤍🪽 I pray for one day his Parents and family will finally get some closure one day.
God help his poor family. This is devastating. It sounds to me as if he was forced to undress, SA 'd and murdered. The driver of the landscape truck parked opposite the house should be investigated. Rest in peace Sean💔
Oh no, I should not watch this! Anytime someone loses their life is a tragedy. Older children who lose their lives really impact me. I haven’t finished the video yet but may Shawn rest in peace. I’m so very sorry to learn of this tragedy.
It is not impossible to think that a 12-year-old could kill himself. However, while not impossible, the highly detailed staging of the death, the black bag over his head, the arms being tied, make the possibility of his death being a suicide seem absolutely absurd. Children wouldn't be that sophisticated in their planning of such an act! And it would take a steely, insane amount of fortitude to keep oneself from strangling by simply standing up. How could a 12-year-old do THAT?
I don’t believe it was suicide and wonder if it’s shotty police work or laziness. Why would he put his step-dads clothes on? Was it his way of letting him mom know he was being abused by his step dad? Why would someone else put them on him. So strange.
Or is it connected with an acquaintance with a pedophile from an amusement park (I immediately remembered a similar case from England). Either this is a strange ritual, or revenge from a small town: vicious & taintful secrets of a town.
Why would he go through the trouble to get all the trash ready to be taken out and then not take it? And why would he open a snack and not eat it. Plus I believe he wouldn’t leave his little brother alone on purpose. Very fishy. My heart goes out to this family. Maybe the FBI needs to be called in.
And turn in homework like cmon
When there is that many inconsistencies the case should automatically be handed off to another county or to the state or to the FBI to start over from scratch. I typically believe parents intuition because they know their child more than anyone else ever could. This case needs to be handed over and investigated properly.
In this case it sounds as though no one is being totally truthful
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This is so tragic. It’s obvious this is not suicide. All of the evidence shows someone else did this. 😢
No way this boy would do this. It's murder. It's too fishy. Thanks Chris you and Amy are great. Love ya be safe.💕
🙏💖 Thank you Ms C!
A neighbor had cameras aimed at their backyard (not working)??? Yikes. There is not even privacy in your own home anymore. Scary and gross. 😕🤢
Pretty sure the neighbor’s camera was aimed at his/her own backyard, but was in a position and angle that it caught some of Ramona and Jared’s backyard within its range.
@@CMinorOp67probably that was the case, also it probably captured the area Sean’s was hanged at
They were probably facing his own backyard, or maybe it got bumped. If it was something nefarious, the cameras would have been working. Regardless, it's unfortunate it wasn't working.
It's against the law for anyone to film or take pictures or have their home security cameras invade another person's private property and you can lay a complaint.
It's different if your home security cameras happen to capture activity outside of your own property as in the case of Chris Watts where the neighbor's security cameras (which were affixed so they'd be able to see their own driveway) captured Chris' actions on his driveway after he committed the murders of his wife & children.
If those cameras worked they would know what happens.
I don't believe he took his life... it just doesn't make sense. 😔 I really feel for his family. I can't begin to imagine what they are going through! Thank you guys for all of the work you do bringing these cases to us!
Thank you Tabitha.
Homicide vs self harm. You have to look at why he would want to take his own life. I see it because I lived it too. He feels his situation is unfair, and it’s not rational at that age. He is caretaking a 2 yr old, his sister gets to come and go to play sports while he has an alarm to tell him to do the chores. Poor kid was treated differently than his siblings. Those issues are big to a kid, especially if it happens frequently. I could not do extra curricular activities or have a job as I had to care take my intellectually disabled sister. I had to go directly home after school or stay home when school was not in session. I couldn’t even stop by a friend’s house after school. My all-star older brother got play sports, not do chores, and hang out with friends. He was 6 yrs older. 50 yrs later I still resent the responsibility I was given, and I couldn’t be in band, cheerleading, dance, or leave the house/yard. Both my parents worked, then my dad died when I was 12 yrs old. You slow simmer the older favorite child gets to come and go. You see it as unfair and favoritism by your parents. Kids make a decision in a minute that last forever. I see why he would have opted out.
Evidence: I have poor vision and still can do things without my glasses, go to restroom, dress myself, make my bed. Tell me his prescription for his glasses so I can determine if he was blind without them.
The police can obtain video footage from other people’s homes by request or search warrant.
People are not rational most of the time when they take their own life, so because he used this item and not that one means little.
Mom is blaming everyone so she doesn’t have to look at herself. I feel sorry for the family, but I see why he would take his life.
@@aftertheheadlines I often see cases (especially in the series "DISAPPERED") where loved ones of missing people will do anything to think the worst case scenario, even when there's not a shred of evidence to suggest foul play, rather than accept that their loved one may have met their sad demise by their own actions.
@@aftertheheadlines I also don't think it's appropriate for a 12 yr old to be playing a (13 yrs & older) video game where the goal of the game is to kill everyone, let alone while his 2 yr brother is plunked down beside him, to watch him play the game! Hello parents? Anyone home?
Why would he wear his step fathers clothes? Why were his glasses broken on the floor? Why would he make a snack and not eat it? Why would he do it while he was the only person watching his 2 year old brother? Why would he put a bag and a belt over his head? Why were his feet not dirty at all? Why would he take the bags out like he was going to take them out but then stopped? Why wouldn’t they check for sexual assault? Why were his shoes kicked off in a weird way? Why was the 2 year old hiding in a corner? Why was the thermostat set to 80 degrees?
Way too many questions. Someone got away with murder. The parents need to ask for a meeting with the detective and ask them all these questions.
I agree. I’m also a person who can’t stand to be barefoot. I won’t even go to my own bathroom in the middle of the night without putting flip flops on. There is no way in hell I would ever kick my shoes off outdoors and just walk around. If I were ever found that way, question it! All of this seems really complicated for a “sudden” suicide. I don’t think a normal, happy 12 year old has the intestinal fortitude to do all of this. It really feels off. That poor family. Losing their son like that and then have every door slammed in their faces.
The sheriff will not listen to them. He has tunnel vision and has disputed every question they have
You don't think the parents have met with the detectives and asked all these questions already?
@@peternolan4107 Apparently not.
Supposedly they DID check for SA but claim there was none. But yeah - WAY too many suspicious things for the suicide theory to make any sense.
Too many things point to murder. This boy enjoyed life, he didn’t commit suicide. My heart goes out to his parents. I hope they get justice for their son.
💔😢🥲🙏🏼❤️ Thank you Chris & Amy for bringing this case to our attention. So sad. I don’t believe the suicide theory.
Thank you. Yes it's very tough to swallow.
I don’t believe the suicide story at all.
I will definitely be following this case. It is very sad and very scary.
Weird! I can't even guess what happened. Very strange that the cops and family are so at odds about what happened. They obviously aren't agreeing on the evidence that can't be disputed. One side or the other has got it wrong.😢
I agree ☝️ too
The fact that he had on his father’s clothes could be someone sending a message to his father
interesting theory
If so, who might know the layout of the house enough to know where to look for the dads clothes, the helmet bags and string, and the time window to do this? If anything, an inside job.
Military cover up . Sending a message to the father. So sad
Yes!!!
I'm struggling with how he would have managed the bag over his head and then the belt tightly restraining his hands to his sides. There's so many evil people out there! I'm not thinking suicide!!!
Seems like it would be very hard for a young boy to do.
Thank you SO Much for discussing this poor boys case! Very few true crimers have touched it. Harsh Reality was one of the first. This case haunts me! One thing that wasn't mentioned: the family didn't normally lick the backdoor. They felt very safe there. Also they were getting ready to go on another trip. Sean was excited about it. He seemed like such a happy kid. What kid does their homework before deciding to off themselves??? No way! I have a theory that this family may have had a squatter in their house while they were on their Disney trip. And when they came home the squatter hid inside the house (like maybe the attic) and waited for his chance. This was the first time Sean was ever left alone with his brother. I can't see any other way someone would have got to Sean unless they were already in the house.
why the clothes change, that is so weird? good theory.
Wow, that actually makes sense, as opposed to all the comments simply asserting he would not have done it, without offering any other explanation.
What a strange case. Does seem unusual for a 12 year old to do this to himself. I would like to say though that being blind (or "nearly blind") isn't a barrier to the acts in question.
@@PhD72 You're asking why someone may not be making logical choices in the lead-up to this (alleged) action?
There is no way that little boy took his own life! What reason would his brother have for hiding? Why would he even bother with trash or to fix himself a snack? Why would he use a belt around his hands? Why would he bother going outside? Just doesn’t make sense. Thanks for this recap, I hope you are able to do a follow up…..
Yes, if theres any new info we will be on top of it.
Thank you for your comments.
Totally agree with you!!!👏
Scary thing is this person might have been watching them. Could be someone who lives very close. They must’ve know the parents were not there. Heartbreaking 💔
So glad this case is getting covered! Keep bringing attention to this !!!
No way this was a suicide, the belt was so tight his circulation was affected?? What a horrifying situation for this family. I hope they find justice.
What I noticed is the mom talking but where the dad?
Why would he be put in his father's clothing?
Wasn't it about a 45 minute window... Whoever did this, knew when to do it.
Sadly, it's most often the mom or dad and if this young man has mentioned hurting himself before, it's very possible...
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He didn’t… they just put that in the reports
Why would a 12 yr old even think to bind his arms to commit suicide?
However, if other son was telling truth about someone chasing them around, caught older boy, restrained him and hitting could gaveled to him being unconscious.
Could have heard sister knocking on door so carried boy out to stage death, thus boys ft clean and why barefoot.
Then could have hid somewhere in yard or snuck out in chaos of her finding boy, removing from set, calling 911 etc.
Since initial thought suicide, wouldn't have thought to look for murderer escaping.
Now, my question would be over why was officer seeming to counter details and why the camera footage wasnt legally bbn obtained
I feel this was some sort of retaliation against the stepdad & they were sending a message to the stepdad by putting Sean in his clothes. This is all just conjecture, I've brainstormed this case . Thank you once again!
I agree with this theory. This is the most plausible.
There is a comforting delusion shared by many people that all children are happy.
I first contemplated suicide when I was ten years old because I was being sexually abused repeatedly.
So many of these comments point out that putting peaches in a bowl and then killing yourself instead of eating them is irrational. Or how hating to be barefoot, but then going outside barefoot is irrational. Someone who is killing himself will probably do unusual things , because, of course, suicide itself is irrational.
I am as skeptical as other people about law enforcement and their shoddy behavior, but I do not think suicide can be ruled out. The family needs to go beyond the local police to the state or federal level if they have not already.
If I had succeeded in killing myself when I was a kid, my family would never have believed it was suicide. I cannot imagine what his family is going through.
I feel very, very sorry for this poor boy and his family whatever actually happened.
It's been said there were no signs of sexual abuse
@@ChromaKeyMystressThat only rules out one aspect.
He definitely did not do that himself. He was looking after his little bro & wouldn't have just left him alone. The change of clothes is weird aswell, I'd be looking for a killer. Also, the killer will most likely do it again or has done it before.........so sad & terrifying.
I have heard of this case and I think a lot of it is being overlooked and hidden by the police and investors for some reason or another someone is hiding something what a shame as he was just a child. May he rest in peace and justice comes soon for him and the family so they can have closer.
This story is so 💔
Hope we know the truth of what happened soon.
Hard to believe this 12 year old would take his own life.
It seems very hard to believe. Anythings possible, but ...🤔
A 12 year old thought all of this up by himself? That landscaper knows more than what he is not saying. And why would the other family not show the police the surveillance footage. This whole story is strange.
Thanks for the recap.
I don't know what happened. To me, the evidence is too obscure and points in too many different directions. I wonder whether the neighbor really refuses to give up the surveillance video or whether that story is another part of authorities using deception to keep the killer off guard.
Sometimes, there are people whose light burns too bright for this world. I hope they get justice.
Also, why would the neighbors not hand over the video? Can’t the police force them? I’d be so pissed. What if it were their son?
They said it hadn't worked in years😊
I didn't mean to put that smile emoji
So, why is there a video of the landscapers truck accross the street?@@sandrafrancis7457
@@sandrafrancis7457there was mention of another camera shot of a landscape truck near the house.
@@marccanales2630 thank you, yes, I was responding to the person who was asking why the neighbors didn't hand over the camera.
Didn't Ramona call Sean and suggest he take his little brother upstairs with him to watch as he played video games?... THEN THE 2 YEAR OLD WASN'T ASLEEP.🤷🏼♀️
We’ve seen time and time again cases that have been ruled suicide were wrongly done so. I believe the family deserves an investigation
Thanks again Amy and Chris for more info on this story. You guys are awesome.🇨🇦
Thank you Cindy, much love to you.
How horrific for his family. I know it doesn't seem plausible but I once worked with a lady whose nine year old daughter hung herself. She was literally getting in their family car to go out to eat and said she needed to use the restroom before they left. When she didn't come back ,they went to check and she had hung herself with a belt in the bathroom. There are a lot of things about the little boys case that bring up questions but impromptu suicides do happen in young children. I am sorry for his family and I do hope they will find the truth and peace.
I know y’all have a long list of cases, but when you’re able to please cover Christian Andreacchio 🤞🏻
Hey there, we will check it out. Thank you for the suggestion!
Why did they lie about garden being muddy. It undermines everything else.
There are just too many questions in this case. I honestly feel like someone got away with murder. I do not believe that he committed suicide with all the evidence (and lack of evidence). So sad for the parents.
Sounds like one of those cases where none of the theories makes particular sense. If I had to pick one, I would say suicide but yeah, if I were the family, I wouldn’t accept that when there are some weird circumstances.
Yeah either suicide or a family member did it.
Black out game. Eerily like the kid with the karate band and the other with a tie from a robe. Makes more sense then anything I heard from either side in this one. Heartbreaking, especially what the mind and memory creates around a traumatic event
Why would he have a bag over his head & a belt holding his arms to his side?
they don't bind their own hands in the black out game
To me this goes back to a que bon (who benefits?) situation. The tightness of the timeline precludes any outside actor from committing the murder. No time for thrill of the thrill killer: no time for the bully to bully and escalate to murder. People have certainly died playing black out games both with an erotic element and not. However, I think those people are often found in their bedroom, not on a swing set with a bag over their head. IMO it must have been self-harm just as Police said he threatened earlier.
This is such a perplexing and haunting case. Poor boy, I don't believe he did this to himself (most ppl just dont believe it either) He seemed such a sweet, happy boy according to all who knew him. There's no way he would have left his 2yr old brother vulnerable. Although saying that, it was way too much responsibility for a 12yr old to look after a toddler imho. The Mum should have at least taken the 2yr old with her. We all have to do that with small children.
Oh jeez, this story is horrible. And no ending os a good ending. You either have a son who hung himself or a corrupt police department. And who knows how far that rabbit hole goes.
I really hope the family find those answers x
Or an ineptitude.
The landscaper working in a neighbours yard, mentioned early on, seems like a loose end that hasn't been fully explained or cleared.
Yup!👏
This is so sad 😢.
Finally some one talks about this something heinous happened to that poor boy there’s no way he did that himself this was well planned by the community
Loving all the crime stories you and Amy tell. Thank-you from across the pond in the uk Manchester
As for this case it definitely sounds like murder and with both parents working for military airforce maybe it could be something to with their like of work? I hope that they get justice for their son may he rest in peace ❤
Thank you in the UK! Love our international friends!💜
Not unusual for a 12 year old who is knee deep in video games (even needing an alarm to remind him to do his chores). Its hard for families to come to terms with it, most common in denial. Sad story.
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I wish this case would get the attention the others get!!❤
There is a murder case in my little town. The guy was tortured for a day or two. Then they killed him, while recording it. Anyway it's a death penalty case
Who was it?
Murder. The belt on the arms. The bags. As for the mother getting details wrong, so what? Insane with horror and grief.
This case has always upset me so much! No way he did this to himself IMO! I pray they get justice!
Good evening Amy and Chris.
It's such a sad case.😢
Yes it is Mary. Thank you for stoping to say hello. Hope you have a nice night.
I feel for this family. You should always trust your instincts. A 2-year old doesn’t make up stories. Someone took this boys life. RIP sweet boy. 😢
What are you talking about?! Two-year-olds have wild imaginations.
2 year Olds make up stories all day. But the situation really is bizarre
Are you joking? 2 year olds make up all kinds of things! Why are so many people giving thumbs up to this???
It's so sad to know this mother doesn't have help or support from the officers in her area to help her be sure of how her son died. That heartbreaking imo... and I don't believe he ended his own life. I hope they can find who did this... yes I believe the little bro seen something. What ? Idk... he probably won't ever forget it tho
This hits home 😕When I was in middle school I lost two friends back to back within a month or two- Dustin was 13 he passed away in a dirt bike accident (we got out of school at 3ish, both of his parents didn't get off until 8, his elder sister was in college out of state, his little brother who was in Elementary school was with their grandparents that day, and despite not being allowed to ride his dirt bike until his parents were home kids will be kids and he did it anyways ended up crashing being thrown off and hitting his head severe brain/head injury but sadly no one got home for a couple of hours and by then it was too late- I was 13 at the time i'm 32 now and I can still clearly remember the big goose egg swollen spot on his head at his viewing) and the other Daniel was 12 he committed suicide (everyone knew he had a bad home life and was a quiet really intelligent kid but we didn't know how bad things truly were especially the mental and emotional pain he was in until after it happened which sadly is normally the case with people who commit suicide- he hung himself from his bed post and we found out later he had attempted many times before that). And then when I was in high school 10th grade a classmate/good friend of my friend who was 16 committed suicide (his girl friend of a year had cheated on him, broken up with him, and he hung himself in his friend's dad's barn from one of the rafters- heartbreakingly it was another one of his friends who found him). I've suffered from depression, anxiety, suicidal thoughts, and suicidal actions since I was 10/11 (my first attempt was at 11 and had tried and failed multiple times after that but it's been probably 8 years since my last attempt) and besides losing my friends I had also lost my grandma the same year right before I lost my two friends so it really was a crazy time for me emotionally and brought me front and center to death. I'm really not sure if this poor boy actually committed suicide or if it was murder and staged but no matter what my heart goes out to his loved ones, can't imagine what they're going through ❤️😕 And hopefully it brings them comfort knowing that no matter how much time passes he will ALWAYS be in his friends and loved ones heart (like I said before i'm 32 and I lost my friends when I was 13 and they're still very much in my heart all these years later) ❤️
This makes me angry. There's way more to this story that can be reconstructed. I'm annoyed that the police and FBI dont care to investigate more/ignore signs. I wanna know more about the Dad and his connections
He did not take his own life, if his feet could touch the ground he would have stood as the panic of asphyxiation took him. Also his little brother saying he was chased by "a friend" and getting punched is a pretty detailed story. Why would he lie? He could have just as easily said that Sean put a belt around himself, a bag over his head and then went to the swingset. A 2 year old wouldnt think he needed to make up a story. He said what he saw happen. I hope they get answers!
If he cutt off the blood flow you can go out instantly.. I train jui jitsu I've been choked out many times blood chokes.. you go out very fast... He could have cut the blood off then hung there and then suffocated
You can’t stand up, once you’re unconscious.
The questions are, What reason would he have had to hang himself? Was he being bullied at school? Was he being s*****y abused by a member of the family or a friend? Why was Sean's feet clean if it was a muddy garden that time? How the heck did he tie the belt so tight and how did he place all the other stuff on his body including the bag on his head. The family are hiding a lot from the police I get this vibe that there is something more sinister to this case.
I think if it was murder it was someone in the family who did it.
@@maandren me too its definitely someone in the family
How many 12 year olds face the pressure of being a good student, 2 parents in the military, baby sitting...he even had chores and a reminder alarm to take the trash out. Lots of things a older teen couldn't do. Maybe the parents don't want to face the possibility he couldnt take it? Obviously this is speculative but on the flip side of the coin, why was his brother hiding?
I agree with you.. It's a lot for such a young person. But how did he tie the belt around his own arms and why the black bag over the head.. It's fishy either way.
@@elizaleroux9173 maybe he had a fetish? People have committed suicide in straight jackets or with no rope or weapon. I knew a kid who hung himself in the 5th grade, kids will do it. The belt is interesting; definitely could be a murder but it's also very possible it's suicide. The host explains possible ways he placed the belt himself.
@@rmsg7504 I actually went to search.. You right.. Kids sometimes do weird hangings themselves, just to be different.. Absolutely sad what is happening with these children.. I was so shocked at how they planned these things. Heartbreaking.. Thank God my sons made it past that age..
Why would the little brother hide🤔 RIP Sean; 🙏I trust that the murderer will be found.
I have heard of this sad case and have never thought it was simple suicide
What 12 yr old is gunna do their homework before they kills himself?? Prayers for the family❤️ Prayers for justice
If there were no cars in the driveway, maybe the landscaper took the opportunity to break in and Sean saw him.
Based on the way his body was found how on earth could they rule that as suicide 💔💔… I thought the sister moved his body and they tried walking her through cpr so how did the police or paramedics move it to try to save him not adding up
sister probably moved the supposed chair he used used to hand himself if he did this to himself.
I want to know what kind of info can be found on his devices leading up to his death. If he did this to himself he must have gotten the idea somewhere.
Right! I hope they searched his computer history & interviewed friends.
This has all the hallmarks of a bondage-related murder- the marks of a sexual sadist. I think there’s also significance to him leaving the brother alive (the 2 yr old). Maybe he was interrupted when the sister began knocking? It seems like he intended on killing the boy inside (thus the thermostat set at 80 degrees). The timeline is very important, how long would a killer have to come in, neutralize (and poss sexually assault) the boy, crank thermostat, find all the bindings and change victim’s clothes, then carry out the hanging? This will reveal a lot about whether the perp knew the family or the house’s layout.
It’s hard to rely on a child for information. It’s not that they would or wouldn’t could or couldn’t lie, but there was a case where a little girl falsely ID’d her uncle as the rapist/murderer or her grandmother (she was an Eye witness) years later he was exonerated for it because of DNA. It was a man that looked like him. I believe she was 4 or 5 not sure on that detail. Eye witnesses in general aren’t as reliable as we would like to think, add inexperience to that, and you may get a failed ID.
I agree. They have shown with tests that eye witness statements aren’t reliable. I know I’m not. I’ve had it happen.
He had too many responsibilities for a 12 yr old. Straight home from school to do chores and babysit a 2 yr old.??? An alarm to take out the garbage?
16 yr old girl was coming home to go right back out. Looks like parents neglected their child and now looking for someone to blame for their own shortcomings. Being in the military I'm sure they were strict too. And what's with all the lies from the mom?
Dirty muddy backyard, and red stains and the toddler crying and now saying he saw someone???
This is so sad. He was clearly VERY CLEAR he was murdered. How the hell would he have tied the belt and hands around his waist? Ridiculous they could even think this is a suicide..
Playing devil's advocate, how could an outsider have done this without anyone seeing him bringing a dead body or killing him out in the yard?? Seems like a message being sent ie the stepfathers clothes worn
Yes great question.
Bizarre bizarre case! Tragic, poor child. RIP in the arms of the angels
Ive heard this case so many times and every time it just baffles me
I saw this case on a Stephanie Harlowe deep dive and this whole thing is baffling. There's absolutely no way. The authorities fumbled this in the worst way
Did she cover this case? I can't find it anywhere.
@@ankabe1096 Yes, I'm pretty sure she did.
Sometimes, a simple explanation like suicide ,it's very difficult for the loved ones to accept. I don't blame them for applying pressure on the police to continue investigating.
It’s hard to rely on a child for information. It’s not that they would or wouldn’t could or couldn’t lie, but there was a case where a little girl falsely ID’d her uncle as the rapist/murderer or her grandmother (she was an Eye witness) years later he was exonerated for it because of DNA. It was a man that looked like him. I believe she was 4 or 5 not sure on that detail. Eye witnesses in general aren’t as reliable as we would like to think, add inexperience to that, and you may get a failed ID or wrong info. I don’t believe it was suicide either.
Family never wants to believe suicide, because they have to look at themselves.
As someone who had to caretake a disable sister, who had to do the chores while my older brother played sports, I wouldn’t be surprised if he ended his life. He didn’t finish his chores, he gave up.
No photos or body cameras by first responders. I wear glasses and have poor vision, you can still see somewhat to go to the bathroom or off yourself.
I don’t know what happened, but I can see Shawn’s psyche. Sister gets to come and go, he is left to babysit and do chores. Sounds like the kid bad enough.
Let’s blame murder and a conspiracy by officials.
There is nothing to suggest that the little boy was not allowed to partake after school activities such as sport only that he was asked to baby sit his little brother while his parents took his grandmother and little brother for their doctors appointments and his sister was at tennis practice,as for chores,he had to take the trash out,it didn't say his sister or even his two little brothers didn't have some kind of chores.
@@annkynaston3605 not mentioned here and you’ll never get the truth from the family.
Why would a killer risk going outside in broad daylight to hang him on the swingset? Super risky, and doesn’t make any sense.
I do NOT believe that it was suicide...
Me neither
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A neighbor is all I can think of. Timing is too tight for random pos.
It's some kind of revenge against the Mother. This wasn't to kill the kid or su.ic-ide, those could have been done quicker and less complicated. Some [immature?] mind has set this up to shock the mother, with some clumsy message via choice of clothes and removal of underwear. This is truly bizarre.
Hello Chris and Amy! Honestly, the case is so convoluted nothing can be ruled out. Hopefully, this is a good legal compartment that is holding truth to chest. Blessings to all.
Blessings to you. Thank you.
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I live about 6 miles from Yorktown and remember hearing about this at all. What a horrible thing to happen.
Wwooww, there's no way I believe it's a suicide case!!! There's too much evidence pointing to a homicide!!!!! So sad for the family!!!!! Thank you, Chris and Amy!!! I love y'all and hope y'all are having a great weekend!!!!
Much love comin' your way Susie Sunshine! Thank you thank you!
Thank you!!!
Thank you!
Thank You for covering this. My heart goes out to Sean, and his Family. 🥀🥀🥀🙏🙏🙏🕊️🕊️🕊️ I don't believe he committed Suicide.
Thank you both for keeping this case alive. It seems very suspicious. There is no harm in keeping this in the forefront. I definitely dont think this is a suicide at all. May the family find truth and peace. 🕊️❤️🙏
Definitely a case with more questions than answers.
What a strange and baffling story 😢
So Disturbing & Very Sad! 🙏😥🙏😥
I don’t think he took his own life. The Sheriff’s Department dropped the ball on this one. Honestly,I believe the what two year old.There’s never anything more worse than losing a child. May he Rest In Peace 🤍🪽 I pray for one day his Parents and family will finally get some closure one day.
God help his poor family. This is devastating. It sounds to me as if he was forced to undress, SA 'd and murdered. The driver of the landscape truck parked opposite the house should be investigated.
Rest in peace Sean💔
Literally says in the video and coroner reports there is no sign of sexual abuse
I wholeheartedly believe that terrified baby. All the circumstances align with what the baby was saying.
No, he didn’t do this to himself. The two year old was telling the truth.
Oh no, I should not watch this!
Anytime someone loses their life is a tragedy.
Older children who lose their lives really impact me.
I haven’t finished the video yet but may Shawn rest in peace.
I’m so very sorry to learn of this tragedy.
God. So sick. Just imagine if the neighbor’s security camera had been working.. 💔
Wow. Sad story I hadn’t heard. I don’t think he took his life 😢
I really hope he's family get the answers they need as I can't imagine what they r going though 😔💙.This is such a difficult situation,RIP Shaun
It is not impossible to think that a 12-year-old could kill himself. However, while not impossible, the highly detailed staging of the death, the black bag over his head, the arms being tied, make the possibility of his death being a suicide seem absolutely absurd. Children wouldn't be that sophisticated in their planning of such an act! And it would take a steely, insane amount of fortitude to keep oneself from strangling by simply standing up. How could a 12-year-old do THAT?
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Oh what a horribly sad story 😥
I don’t believe it was suicide and wonder if it’s shotty police work or laziness. Why would he put his step-dads clothes on? Was it his way of letting him mom know he was being abused by his step dad? Why would someone else put them on him. So strange.
Or is it connected with an acquaintance with a pedophile from an amusement park (I immediately remembered a similar case from England). Either this is a strange ritual, or revenge from a small town: vicious & taintful secrets of a town.