Really hope the rules change one day. I'm getting close to becoming too old to train for a commercial licence now so hope the world can let go of this unfair discrimination and let people carry out their jobs/dreams. :(
The US allows CD pilots to undergo a practical test, wherein, they are in an aircraft and the tower flashes the lights at them. They are required to identify the colours. I think this is a fair way to assess CVD pilots.
Despite the hundreds of thousands of CVD pilots who have flown airliners around the world for the last 50 years, not one accident has even been attributed to a diminished capacity for distinguishing shades red and green by a crew member.
We remind all that in no way would we suggest that the use of colour in present-day (or for that matter, old-day) cockpit display technology needs any modification to accommodate the CVD pilot. We have data on the most severe CVD types operating completely safely in the most modern of aircraft types (the entire Boeing and Airbus fleet). We stress this to counter the often stated (at aeromedical meetings) unreasonableness of suggestions that the advantages to colour vision normal participants of colour in the cockpit display environment should be diminished to facilitate the use of such displays by CVD individuals. Put simply, colour on it's own is neither sufficient or necessary to be able to interpret internal or external information in the aviation environment. Colour coded systems don't need to be changed, as CVD's perform equally as well in using those systems as pilots with normal colour vision. There are many visual cues used when flying, just as there are for the millions of CVD's driving cars each day. Visual perception and how we interpret information is far more complex than the ability to be able to discriminate between colours. See below link for more info. cvdpa.com/the.../aviation-colour-perception-standards
can you bring this to North America and Europe? It's quite frustrating that I can see the colours in flight school and at the airport (day and night), and yet my license is restricted to day time two-way radio only. Often times, flying IFR and more sophisticated airplanes are even safer than flying visually in a small airplane.
Please stop using the term 'color blind'. True color blindness means that people see the world in black & white (plus shades of grey). Color deficiency is a totally different category where people have difficulty in differentiating certain shades of colors (blue/brown, brown/red, etc).
i have 14 years working as a HVAC in the US and i never notice i was color blind because i never had issues in my job i never feel that something limits me on the field , until i applied with the county and they did a test and i failed now my dream job is in danger because they have a concern about this,with 14 years of experience with no issues in how i performed my job is not fair, is funny because one of my ex bosses almost die because he did something wrong and he is not a color blind ,
I was a candidate as a cabin crew employee for Turkish Airlines company but even if I made only 1 mistake on ishihara test(a color deficiency test 24 plates, 1 mistake) Turkish Airlines company doctor didn't let me in
I wanted a change in my career (retail for the last 14 years), and decided flying would be a good change.. I started some lessons, 7 hours total so far, and instructor said he was confident I could go solo soon (RPL) and said I should start the process for the Class 2 medical.. Well I got that medical back today.. I failed the ishihara test, thus giving me a night flying restriction, thus literally dashing any real hopes of getting a job in the airline industry.. I was thinking a Royal Flying Doctor would be great, but I need to be able to night fly.. I have emailed CASA about colour correction lenses, but they haven't responded. I now have an appointment with an optometrist on Wednesday at QUT to perform the lantern test.. I'll also ask them about colour correction options as well. It is rather BS that just because I can't see certain colours, I can't fly at night.. I mean fuck, I literally work nightshift and do most of my driving and daily activities at night, mostly in poor lighting as well.. If there's anyone more suited to night flying, it's someone who actively works during the night..
We have a lattern test here in Canada, It cleared my restriction. Don't know if they have one of those in your area. There is also the farnsworth test which you go at night and look at the tower who will shine red green and white signals thats another route.
@@clearwater3d Where did you get the lantern test in Canada? And how are they administered (in a room in the dark far away, or in room lighting condition etc)?
@@ManualFlying local aviation medical doctor, only one in our city that has the test. It was in a dark room yes with a box like a lateren with 3 small leds I probably stood 3 feet or so back, you read the pattern top to bottom and give him the colours. He cross checked them and yeah I got all of them right and got my restriction lifted. The leds see not vivid red green white, more of dulled down colours but still noticeable for me at least. I may or may it of gotten one wrong. But I believe that's still a pass
Many people think a color blind person sees only shades of grey. This is true only in the most sever cases, most color blind people see colors just not as many colors as a normal person. I worked with an electrician who didn't know they were color blind until they took a job related vision test and couldn't see the numbers in the plates. This electrician's colorblindness was so mild it hadn't caused any problems in their life until this point. 99% of the time they could tell the difference between red and green and on the rare occasions they couldn't they used tricks like get a better light, the brown and orange wire are always opposite the blue wire and when in doubt spend 30 extra seconds testing the connection. I saw this electrician do alot of good work. When the electrican failed the test they were fired and had to re-train for a different career. This incident made me realize that in alot of cases color vision tests are a form of job discrimination and if you gave the color blind person a chance in most cases they could do the job. The color blind electrician also built their own realistic home flight simulator and I've seen them land the plane perfectly on the simulator. They couldn't always identify the color of a cockpit light but they understood when there was a problem and knew how to react. Its funny how the people who claim a color blind person can't land a plane probably couldn't land a plane themselves.
I can see red light , I can see green light still I'm unable to get a restriction free license just because of some stupid rules that has nothing to do with safety . Only day flying permission is the biggest hurdle for me getting a job in an airline .
I don't think people understand color blindness. Very rarely is it an actual blindness. Most of the time it's something like really dark maroons and blacks blending together. I'm colorblind but I have zero issues seeing any primary color. Now if you throw two shades of the same color that are very close, I might miss that, but that's not how aviation works. They specifically use very different colors for very different things and those colors are easy to tell apart. It's not like they're going to have tangerine orange lights next to sunburnt orange lights and ask you to tell the difference or you'll crash and burn or anything stupid like that.
“Expert Medical Advice” from desk jockey non-commercial pilots. 😂. Medical opinions are like a$$holes, every doctor has one. What do you call a doctor who graduated at the bottom of his medical school class?? DOCTOR.
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Really hope the rules change one day. I'm getting close to becoming too old to train for a commercial licence now so hope the world can let go of this unfair discrimination and let people carry out their jobs/dreams. :(
V.T.O.L. Fried Chicken so ? did it changed ?
Carlos Penna Not yet... it has been 3 years since CASA is being questioned on CVD yet they have not changed it. We should protest guys
@@satanggukie3456 has It changed?
This type of discrimination reaches through every part of the world of work. Good luck john.
The US allows CD pilots to undergo a practical test, wherein, they are in an aircraft and the tower flashes the lights at them. They are required to identify the colours. I think this is a fair way to assess CVD pilots.
That's under consideration .
Despite the hundreds of thousands of CVD pilots who have flown airliners around the world for the last 50 years, not one accident has even been attributed to a diminished capacity for distinguishing shades red and green by a crew member.
We remind all that in no way would we suggest that the use of colour in present-day (or for that matter, old-day) cockpit display technology needs any modification to accommodate the CVD pilot. We have data on the most severe CVD types operating completely safely in the most modern of aircraft types (the entire Boeing and Airbus fleet). We stress this to counter the often stated (at aeromedical meetings) unreasonableness of suggestions that the advantages to colour vision normal participants of colour in the cockpit display environment should be diminished to facilitate the use of such displays by CVD individuals.
Put simply, colour on it's own is neither sufficient or necessary to be able to interpret internal or external information in the aviation environment. Colour coded systems don't need to be changed, as CVD's perform equally as well in using those systems as pilots with normal colour vision. There are many visual cues used when flying, just as there are for the millions of CVD's driving cars each day. Visual perception and how we interpret information is far more complex than the ability to be able to discriminate between colours. See below link for more info.
cvdpa.com/the.../aviation-colour-perception-standards
can you bring this to North America and Europe? It's quite frustrating that I can see the colours in flight school and at the airport (day and night), and yet my license is restricted to day time two-way radio only. Often times, flying IFR and more sophisticated airplanes are even safer than flying visually in a small airplane.
Please stop using the term 'color blind'. True color blindness means that people see the world in black & white (plus shades of grey). Color deficiency is a totally different category where people have difficulty in differentiating certain shades of colors (blue/brown, brown/red, etc).
Yeah, I see less reds, and more greens.
i have 14 years working as a HVAC in the US and i never notice i was color blind because i never had issues in my job i never feel that something limits me on the field , until i applied with the county and they did a test and i failed now my dream job is in danger because they have a concern about this,with 14 years of experience with no issues in how i performed my job is not fair, is funny because one of my ex bosses almost die because he did something wrong and he is not a color blind ,
Yes they should remove the restriction. Colorblind pilots should be able to do it all
Carm N
Is something new happened after 2 years of your comments
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@@TheKing-wg7qi 🥲
I was a candidate as a cabin crew employee for Turkish Airlines company but even if I made only 1 mistake on ishihara test(a color deficiency test 24 plates, 1 mistake) Turkish Airlines company doctor didn't let me in
I wanted a change in my career (retail for the last 14 years), and decided flying would be a good change.. I started some lessons, 7 hours total so far, and instructor said he was confident I could go solo soon (RPL) and said I should start the process for the Class 2 medical..
Well I got that medical back today.. I failed the ishihara test, thus giving me a night flying restriction, thus literally dashing any real hopes of getting a job in the airline industry.. I was thinking a Royal Flying Doctor would be great, but I need to be able to night fly..
I have emailed CASA about colour correction lenses, but they haven't responded. I now have an appointment with an optometrist on Wednesday at QUT to perform the lantern test.. I'll also ask them about colour correction options as well.
It is rather BS that just because I can't see certain colours, I can't fly at night.. I mean fuck, I literally work nightshift and do most of my driving and daily activities at night, mostly in poor lighting as well.. If there's anyone more suited to night flying, it's someone who actively works during the night..
We have a lattern test here in Canada, It cleared my restriction. Don't know if they have one of those in your area. There is also the farnsworth test which you go at night and look at the tower who will shine red green and white signals thats another route.
@@clearwater3d Where did you get the lantern test in Canada? And how are they administered (in a room in the dark far away, or in room lighting condition etc)?
@@ManualFlying local aviation medical doctor, only one in our city that has the test. It was in a dark room yes with a box like a lateren with 3 small leds I probably stood 3 feet or so back, you read the pattern top to bottom and give him the colours. He cross checked them and yeah I got all of them right and got my restriction lifted. The leds see not vivid red green white, more of dulled down colours but still noticeable for me at least. I may or may it of gotten one wrong. But I believe that's still a pass
@@clearwater3d that's interesting. I was all the way in the other side of the room, at least 12 feet away.
@@clearwater3d But also, congrats! I hope you are getting your CPL license!
Many people think a color blind person sees only shades of grey. This is true only in the most sever cases, most color blind people see colors just not as many colors as a normal person. I worked with an electrician who didn't know they were color blind until they took a job related vision test and couldn't see the numbers in the plates. This electrician's colorblindness was so mild it hadn't caused any problems in their life until this point. 99% of the time they could tell the difference between red and green and on the rare occasions they couldn't they used tricks like get a better light, the brown and orange wire are always opposite the blue wire and when in doubt spend 30 extra seconds testing the connection. I saw this electrician do alot of good work. When the electrican failed the test they were fired and had to re-train for a different career. This incident made me realize that in alot of cases color vision tests are a form of job discrimination and if you gave the color blind person a chance in most cases they could do the job. The color blind electrician also built their own realistic home flight simulator and I've seen them land the plane perfectly on the simulator. They couldn't always identify the color of a cockpit light but they understood when there was a problem and knew how to react. Its funny how the people who claim a color blind person can't land a plane probably couldn't land a plane themselves.
I can see red light , I can see green light still I'm unable to get a restriction free license just because of some stupid rules that has nothing to do with safety . Only day flying permission is the biggest hurdle for me getting a job in an airline .
I don't think people understand color blindness. Very rarely is it an actual blindness. Most of the time it's something like really dark maroons and blacks blending together. I'm colorblind but I have zero issues seeing any primary color. Now if you throw two shades of the same color that are very close, I might miss that, but that's not how aviation works. They specifically use very different colors for very different things and those colors are easy to tell apart. It's not like they're going to have tangerine orange lights next to sunburnt orange lights and ask you to tell the difference or you'll crash and burn or anything stupid like that.
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You cannot fly colour blind so stop using that term. A pilot can be slightly deficient.
“Expert Medical Advice” from desk jockey non-commercial pilots. 😂. Medical opinions are like a$$holes, every doctor has one. What do you call a doctor who graduated at the bottom of his medical school class?? DOCTOR.