Yale and Harvard Law Pull Out of U.S. News Rankings; Will Others Follow Suit? | Amanpour and Company
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- Опубликовано: 17 ноя 2022
- Yale and Harvard Law Schools have withdrawn their participation from the key university ranking system by U.S. News and World Report, saying it undermines the commitments of the legal profession. Yale, despite taking the top spot every year, was the first to announce the change. Heather Gerken is the dean of Yale Law School and speaks with Michel Martin about the decision, in a conversation that is part of Chasing the Dream, our ongoing initiative about poverty, jobs, and economic opportunity in America.
Originally aired on November 18, 2022
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This is an excellent interview. Dean Gerken, thank you for your courage, integrity, compassion, and perseverance.
youre a fool. she's not doing anything for students. shes doing this for the bottom line.
What a lovely bold action, I didn't realize how the for-profit law school scoring system was harming students, I'm so proud of Yale for pulling the trigger on an action that many other law schools are following.
Keep Shining the Light
I do hope to hell that more universities withdraw from these asinine rankings. They are insanely inaccurate and are generally a BS enterprise.
@12:30 The poverty line is $26,000 for a family of 4??? It needs to be more like $50 - $75,000 for a family of 4. A single person in NYC can expect the best quality of life at $75,000/year --AND that is a SINGLE person!!! No where in the US is does that poverty line make sense. And every poverty line should be adjusted for the livability of the location where that person lives.
What a great interview! Great job, Michelle for asking thoughtful questions. Great job Heather for giving insightful answers.
well done Yale & well done Heather Gerken. great ladies great interview
Bravo, Dean Heather Gerken
Thank you for taking this stand Dean. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾❤ Well done.
Astonishing; excellent series of reports. This particular report serves future law school students, and our legal system, well. Thank you, Yale Law and others pulling out.
*Gerken has beautiful wall sconces behind her.
Heather Gerken, Dean of the Yale Law School, a profile in courage on the road to a better educational system and World.
Yale could benefit from a multi-year lockdown.
another outstanding interview and report! it is so refreshing to to listen and learn valuable things I might otherwise have never known about... well everything on this program and the very few others like it!
They have a point. Rankings are based on strange features like cafeteria food, parties, easy marks and friendly professors. On the hunt for higher marks by a news service, universities spend more on the cafeteria than they do on achieving academic excellence. That extra spending is passed on to the students, raising tuition year by year.
Yes, many of these rankings are absolutely absurd. I'm glad Yale and Harvard are taking this step. Hopefully more will follow.
Lol that's now how rankings are done. Rankings tend to rest on research output, not cafeteria food or nice professors.
@@TickleMeElmo55 Malcolm Gladwell did a whole segment on this topic. As tuition fees became an increasingly large fraction of income for schools, and as more elite schools realized they could charge more, students were recognized as customers. What followed was predictable mark inflation, sagging academic standards, and increasing effort to make their customers happy. Indeed, surveys of current students is a significant part of school rankings.
@@spelunkerd Also, reading an article from Reed Magazine makes it clear that USNews and World Report penalizes higher ed institutions who opt out by dropping their rankings. That explains why Yale and Harvard are taking the plunge first. If their rankings drop, their reputations are pretty much impervious to that type of shenanigan.
They once meant something. Now no one takes their paper seriously. Haven't met an Ivy League grad in years that impressed me.
Thank you for being so brave.
Thank you. Good post
HOLD ON.....the dean said with no uncertainty that Yale Law school has NO legacy preference?? *rolls eye*
Absolutely fabulous interview and great question on legacy
Heather is just an amazing woman who obviously cares about the same things we do and for the future of our children and the challenges posed in todays world which have to be addressed by our new generation,lovely interview and im never disappointed by the team here at Amanpour and Company for their excellent interviews.
The Dean of the Yale Law School should be a US Senator.
Wow🎉
Thanks. This matters.
About time! The whole premise to law is access to the law and theses Ivy League law schools deny everyone and equitable opportunity to apply for both schools and then jobs after the fact
Thank you for doing this.
Great move!!! other law schools should follow their lead.
This is a smart, logical move. Shake-up needs to happen in many--or most?--US institutions.
When are they going to get rid of the lawyers? That is the quesition.
She is a true hero
it is because they are allowing the way students to do whatever they want and they don't want it in the public eye like they was doing the teachers
Hello Michelle ♥️♥️♥️♥️ you still doing an excellent job in journalism 🥰
"Thank you for joining us...( pause) Thank you for having me " X ten thousand !
Welcome your guest and move ON.
Before they can say the mandatory, " THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME " !!!!!!!
Excellent points. Us news is simply a marketing organization. That's it.
The dean comes across as very empathetic.
I'm beginning to get the impression U.S. News & World Report is a member of the Leonard Leo group. Ms. Obvious?
I am all for Affirmative Action. I GLADLY work at my community's Dr. MLK Community Center. Michele is WAY out of line.
high interest rate makes everybody soooooo niiiiccceeeee even lawyers :::::))))))))))))) git outaaa heeaaarrr ... smh
WHY I OUTTA…… LOOOL
Stop the racial discrimination against Asian in these law schools.
Glad they did it. Doing this will ensure they aren't churning out right wingers who are oblivious to the current issues.
This makes little sense since many who gain admission in top law schools tend to lean left.
She misstates the role of the rankings. It's a private, for profit ranking, and most of the metrics are not meaningful. Judges, faculties, and big law employers use just 3 screening metrics - median LSAT of students who attend (not who are admitted), G.P.A. of students who attend (not who are admitted), and consensus overall faculty rating. For most big law jobs, simply graduating from Harvard, Yale, or Stanford Law is enough of an initial screening device to make a hire. A strong academic performance at a top 10 school will be good enough for an appellate clerkship. Roughly 5-10 Yale graduates and 5-10 Harvard graduates per year, will get Supreme Court clerkships. So, the ranking is just a summary of those screening metrics, which repeat themselves year after year. Nothing more. Gerkin is overwrought and over thinking, and I don't know why, since Y and H will always be, and always have been, the most selective in the 3 key metrics, or their equivalent, for the last 200 years. The US News ranking neither helps nor hurts Yale, Harvard, Stanford, Chicago, Berkeley, or Michigan. I sometimes think liberal academics like Dean Gerkin are ashamed, or humble bragging, about their graduates dominating the Supreme Court, Law Faculties, Big Law, and big money. They should ignore US News entirely. US News should make their own job easier and just list the 3 key metrics (LSAT, GPA, Faculty) for each school, data which can probably be gleaned publicly.
Facques
The video title confused me. It made it sound like universities had been collectively ranking news sources in the United States (which sounded kind of weird, but maybe some kind of fact checking/media bias analysis thing), and that Yale and Harvard were now going to stop doing that. I had to watch the beginning of the video to understand that, oh, it's the other way around: a news organization named "US News" has been ranking universities. In which case, ok, I don't care and can stop the video.
You sound pretty ignorant about this subject. If you actually watched the video you'd understand how big of a step this is and how for years those rankings affected policy.
The next thing they need to change is online study. It’s so archaic that people cannot access live lectures online and attend online in the same way they would in classroom
The irony to this latest narrative/operation is - a few weeks if not just 2 before they stole my baby, the social worker said in my home and living room, we will be pulling back going forward. You can carry on....
Then suddenly it was - agree to see a mental health professional or we will take him away. It was not your standard - identify a problem, offer warnings, solutions, SUPPORT and deadlines - therefore only remove in absolute danger. They called a relative to hold him for a few days as they arranged for a foster home. The entire time I thought they would never do that because it is too cruel. Actually put a bubbly secure kid into foster care to agitate his mother. They didn't come with an order to remove him after trying all other options. No, they hired my cousin, told my son his aunt would get him pizza and he will be returned to me the next day.
I have all this evidence on tape and in my journal. They used my cousin to remove him from me because they didn't have the authority and correct legal documentation prepared. They were so sure they would silence me.
They went from - we are scaling back, to calling my cousin home from work so she could take him and they would be able to rip him out her hands (alot easier) without a fight and throw him in foster. Zero warnings.
𝕡𝕣𝕠𝕞𝕠𝕤𝕞
Problems of the ivy league. Yawn….
I am going to court to get my son back - BY ANY MEANS. That is non-negotiable.
All this is is a shameless promotional campaign. Prove me wrong.