The Final Fantasy 8 Iceberg Explained
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Little do people realize. Squall's coat was a big flex on people who claimed they couldn't make a fur coat look good in 3D. In fact, other than the scar. Squall's coat is more iconic than his sword.
Gackt in malice mizer, the song illuminati.
that's partly because his sword is very stupid.
@@javierortiz82 Well, the sword is based off a real world concept that people tried. With mix results. Though calling the Gunblade "Stupid". Fail to realize, that the sword is more practical, than a giant ass sword.
@@Qardo man, just look at the structure of the gun alone, it doesn't make any sense. It also happens to be a giant ass sword, but with a revolver ductaped to it.
@@javierortiz82 From what I have read. Of course, take this however you want. Even after reading this and you still hate it. Fine. Whatever. Your opinion.
Squall's gunblade does not fire a bullet. Rather it uses a special custom round that causes the blade to vibrate and able to cut through the densest of objects. The explodes you witness with some moves are not created by the discharge of the round. Rather the air being rapidly super charged and exploding.
And if you claim that makes no fucking sense. You need to remember: This is a freaking Final Fantasy game. You got a lady that can learn Monster Moves or a guy that can somehow summon Godlike beings to bitch slap some poor bastard in front of you. It makes sense in context of that universe.
It took me so many years to realize Laguna was actually Squal dad and that basically his love story was reincarnation of Laguna's impossible love with Rinoa's mother.
Yeah, that was exactly it. The entire game has failed love stories and missed connections (Laguna + Julia, Seifer + Rinoa, Squall + Quistis) but Squall + Rinoa is the only one that works out hence the happy ending. Rinoa and Squall are brought together because of Laguna's failure to get with Julia. Even though their parents couldn't meet (and Laguna's love story is quite tragic with the death of Raine), they ended up meeting.
Something really cool you missed is the outdoor big screen at the top of the stairs in timber when the party is going to the radio station. It has a lot of noise and interference, but with a close look messages can be seen:
I AM ALIVE HERE
BRING ME BACK THERE
I WILL NEVER LET YOU FORGET ABOUT ME
I WILL NEVER LET YOU BOUND ME BACK
Those are actually messages from Adel coming from space, wich is in fact the very reason for the worldwide radio interference phenomenon.
I'm so glad I scrolled the comments, I never noticed that and that's absolutely an amazing addition to the immersion.
Oh my god that is so cool, this game is so full of details it's actually phenomenal
Never knew this thanks!!
Isn't that Timber? Not Dollet.
@@theerealatm You are right, never realized I mentioned the wrong city!
The first time the main characters have a dream about the past is on the way to Galbadia-occupied Timber to help the Owls, the anti-Galbadia resistance faction which Rinoa belongs to at the start of the game. In the dream, Laguna is one of the Galbadian soldiers taking part in the Siege of Timber. Laguna bails from his post to go to Deling City and see Julia Heartilly, the piano player-turned-singer who wrote "Eyes on Me". Laguna and Julia fall for each other, but Laguna is ordered to return to his post. After Laguna barely escaped an ambush by Esthar soldiers and went MIA, Julia figured he died in battle and went on to marry (Galbadian) General Caraway, aka Rinoa's father. Laguna winds up in Winhill, meets Raine, and marries her. When Raine's daughter Ellone is kidnapped by Esthar soldiers, Laguna leaves town - unaware that Raine is pregnant - and tries to get into the hedgehog state of Esthar by every means necessary. This led Laguna to start doing work for Timber Maniacs, the revolutionary anti-Galbadia magazine that inspired the Timber Owls (and later Rinoa) who his son Squall ultimately ends up assisting. Laguna basically played a pivotal role in the cause of, and the solution to, all of Timber's problems.
It's also interesting to note that the way Squall and Seifer got their scars while being in the same fight and the same type of weapon have different meanings. Seifer strikes downwards from a position of power after having used magic to I imagine cheat, considering that squall had 2 summons but didn't even have them with him, as evidenced by them being in his terminal at the beginning of the game after having been rushed straight to the infirmary and so couldn't use magic this would be seen as unsportlike for a practice duel.
Seifer's cut was cruel and unnecessary born out of a need to dominate. Squall's cut on the other hand comes from below, cutting upwards is against the force of gravity especially from the ground so you have to put more strength into it than a downward chop, possibly already there showing that Squall is more powerful of a swordsman and at the same time has a good old protagonist attitude of always getting back up to continue the fight. also you could say that Seifer is going down like he does in the game, falling from grace to become the brainwashed lacky of the big bad while squall rises to glory as the leader of seed.
Beautifully written. I love the concepts and symbolism there. Tremendous. Thanks for your contribution.
Seifer didn't cheat. Limit breaks are intrinsic.
@@tek512 from the page on Seifer's Limit break, while it does mirror that moment it is confirmed that he uses a fire spell so yup cheating. "Seifer begins his Limit Break by casting a fire spell (single/multiple enemies, depending on the skill) and then attacking the stunned foe with a sword technique. This reflects the game's opening movie where Seifer casts a fire spell against Squall before delivering the scarring slice."
All said & done in a long comment!! The 🎮game🎮 took longer because if you rush through it you make mistakes!! #"?Oopsy 💩 Poopsy!!¿"#
Seifer went down on Squall. That's what I took from that.
Final fantasy VIII deserve a remake. And of course VI
Hopefully we get one after the team is done with the 7 remake.
It probably will once the ff7 remake is done
Yes indeed after 5 years or so lol
Noooo after 7 ten should get a remake a huge remake
@@aceofspades4948 wtf ten doesn't need a remake
You can get Lion Heart before the end of disc 1 by playing enough cards. 10 Elnoyle = something = 10 Pulse Ammo, Grendels from hugging the left wall in the forest where you have your second dream-state(looking toward Galbadia garden) will drop dragon skins (so will Anacondors), Minotaur card = 10 Adamantine. Also no mention of the ridiculous features of the SeeD field exam (each time you talk to someone unnecessarily you lose points, each fight you run from that you don't have to, you lose points, if you let the dog die, you lose points, if you jump using Selphie's shortcut, etc.). You mention how to game Angel Wings, but not how to game Angelo by only teaching him moves you want him to use. I.e. if you only train Angelo to use Wishing Star, he'll have a much higher chance of using it since the pool to draw from will only be Wishing Star and Angelo Cannon. Lastly one that constantly gets overlooked somehow is how you can hit the circle button to "skip" a character's turn, which re-rolls for their limit break to activate. Leave everyone at about 2500/9999 hp, and you'll have constant limit breaks. Teach Angelo ONLY Invincible Moon (and reverse and search since they're on the timer trigger), and you'll usually have an entirely invincible party that can use their limit breaks at will.
FF8 is my favorite Final Fantasy, but it definitely had the easiest battle system to abuse, and one of the few where you can truly make a "perfect" party by using Devour. It would take hundreds of hours to max every stat for every character with Devour, but it is possible.
8 is almost certainly my favorite FF. And it's not even for the battle system. I just enjoyed the overall feel and aesthetic, the vibe, the music. I just love it all.
Thanks for the contribution my friend!
If you play the cards right you can get all but one final weapon before the end of Disc 1. I think you can't get Ervine's final weapon (Exeter) because there's no way to legitimately obtaining Star Fragments before Disc 2.
The dog doesn't die in the Dollet escape, he just gets very scared. It's not dragon skins you need to make Lion Heart, it's dragon fang (obtained from said grendels). Skipping battles in the exam overall punishes you because mercenaries are supposed to fight (and also to impose battling in a game that punishes levelling up), that's why fleeing and jumping the cliff causes punitions. Angelo starts with Angelo Rush and Angelo Cannon, and even if you only learn it, Wishing Star is pretty rare to happen.
For the early disc 1 obtaining of Lionheart, its recommended you start after the Seed graduation party just before Rinoa hires you in Timber.
First off, challenge The Trepe Groupie #2 student in the cafeteria for triple triad for his Quistis Card.
Then look around the main hall of Balamb Garden for the blue shirt kid jogging around and beat his ass for his MiniMog card. Then head for Balamb itself and challenge Ma Dincht for her Zell card.
At this point you should have also Ifiit and Diablos card.
Head back to Balamb Garden and challenge Cid for his Seifer card and keeping milking for the Elnoyle cards that he uses sometimes.
You need 20 of these to convert them for 2 energy crystals using card mod. Then convert these crystals into 12 pulse ammo using Ifrit's Ammo-RF ability.
Then head for the cafeteria
This "abuse" as you call it, is what makes FF8 and the Junction System one of my favorite combat systems in all of Final Fantasy, it's a Min/Maxer's dream. As a kid, it confused the hell out of me, as an Adult it's incredibly detailed and in-depth.
Anagram of Fithos Lusec Wecos Vinosec actually means "Succesion of Witches & Love"
Succession of witches refers to the sorceresses. Sorceresses inherit their power through succession from another sorceress.
Succession of love refers to Laguna & Julia and Squall & Rinoa. Laguna and Julia couldn't be together because of fate. They had children from other partners. But fate brought their children together. So the love succeeded anyways.
I always gave Shiva to Squall. And Diablos. Zell always got Ifrit. Quezacotyl went to Rinoa and Quistis interchangeably. But Shiva and Diablos just seemed to fit Squall and Ifrit seems to be Zell's alter ego. Siren always went to Quistis for same reason.
yo you missed that the ultima weapon monster is using cloud's ultima weapon from ff7, and that long haired squall appears in KH2 ! :)
Yeah them woulda been some good entries for sure!
Also appears in the first KH
I believe Rinoa is Ultimecia theory. When on the Ragnarok in space, Rinoa gives a speech about wanting time to stand still and fear about being hated for being a sorceress. Ulitmecia's goal is to compress time, but it's never confirmed why she wants time to compress, though assumed by the party that she is the only being who can exist in a time compressed world.
Ultimecia also is able to use GFs and her only GF is Squalls ring, an item Rinoa went out if her way to obtain early in the game.
Also, when Ultimecia is about to be defeated in battle in her final form, she gives out pretty heartfelt dialogue.
I believe that Squall passes away before Rinoa, and out of grief, she seeks to compress the past, present, and future.
Ultimecia wants to compress time to become a god
Ultimecia doesn't have griever she takes from squall's mind
Ultimecia was born several centuries in the future as a sorceress during a time when sorceress were hunted down
Also it's been debunked by the creators
@@wintertrooper7918 look this up, Kitase actually retracted the statement that this was false a few months ago. It also doesn’t matter, a story is not just what the writer intended, it is created anew with every mind that comes across it. To me this theory fits the story and makes it 10x better
@whirled peas in dissidia opera omni her backstory is told that she was born a lonely girl on the edge of the future as an evil sorceress and besides her being rinoa doesn't fit with the Greek tragedy of her story
@mtownboi4ya
Its because Hyne's Magical Part is Ultimecia, he can controll every Sorcererr, (like sephirot can controll his clones and even jenova in ff7) i also belive that Rinoa becomes Ultimecia, but its not her, or her future self Ultimecia, who plans to compress the time (as sheself dont ever mention motiv for it) my theorie is, that Hayne want to reconnect both halfs of him (Ultima Weapon as the Body physical part [botton] and Ultimecia as Magical Part [top], to compress time, because he cant figure out any other way to get rid of his creation, knowing he is the only beeing that could live in this circumstances, he started manipulating Sorcerres, to let them act, like he wanted them to act.
let's not forget about Selphie's "the end" limit break, literally ended any encounter, very rare for that to proc.
Aah yes, the "easy" way to kick Omega Weapon's ass
And the true most powerful attack in the game . This guy does not know what he is talking about.
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@@Ghostlicht As if kicking Omega's ass is any kind of difficult. His attack is in a set pattern. Equip "Defense" on characters, make sure they're not a level multiplier of 5, and you pretty much won't die.
@@ramonlopez95 I find Zell's Infinite/Omega Punch to be better. Takes a little bit longer than Angelo Wings w/ Ultima and Meteor, but it's fun as hell to pull off.
Did he say.... Ultimekka?
No, he definitely said ulti meeesschchcsiiuhh. That's definitely what I heard :P
"Rine-oa".
@@Bewoulf1223 Rye noah
Ri-noah lol
"SIGH-fer"…. "RIHN-oah".. that's my story and I'm sticking to it 😂🤟
I agree with you on your pronunciation of Seifer, but hard disagree on your pronunciation of RY*-Noah
Also hard disagree with OP and his pronunciation of Irvine as Er-Veen. It's clearly Ir-VINE, man.
Also, OP calls Ultemecia UlteMECHA. What the actual... Lol.
Rinoa/Ultimecia - There are many more things to that theory, the reversal of her preferences are part of that, but "becoming drunk with power" is NOT the reason. The original theory was about Rinoa suffering (likely cause everybody she knew died) and ultimately trying to bring back the time when she was happy with her friends. To do so she toiught about bringing back the past and for that she needed a lot of power, the power of the strongest GFs, but as the game has told us the usage of GFs leads to memory loss.... so in a tragic twist she forgets her trauma, she forgets her friends, she forgets what made her even want to bring back time. There are things like the last words of Ultimecia sounding like she knows Squall and wants to help him, the flashback at the end of the game were Rinoa can not remember Squalls face, the premotion that Squall has of Rinoa dying, or little things like the game mentioning that Ellione can ONLY send people back in time that she has met in person - she never met Rinoa. Or how Ultimecia gave her power to Edea.... in the past....
She technically did meet Rinoa on the space station when she enters the bridge we’re Ellone is, also I like to think that squall didn’t make it back after defeating ultimecia and because of that Rinoa wants to turn back time so she can save him but then the gf,memory loss, you know the rest
Phoenix is actually not random, when the in game clock hits an exact hour thats when theres a chance for phoenix to appear.
Oh interesting. I wasn't aware. Thanks for your contribution.
What's the hour?!
@@onelovedrumming Pretty sure they mean on the hour every hour but they didn't really phrase it right
When I was in middle school playing this game for the 1st time, I kept going back to balamb garden with zell in my party in hopes to trigger a scene where he finally got his hot dog.
There is no fact about Timber's TV screen interferenced by Adel's messages from space. It might be tier 7 or even 8. :-)
Oh that would be a good one for it, definitely.
That is definitely creepy af, but pure genius.
Been playing for like 20+ years but descovered it like 2 years ago.
That "Squall lunging at Rinoa" Thing was at the concert in Fisherman's Horizon. It was more like he was winding up a backhand and it was obviously in a playful manner.
Fun to listen to but a majority of these iceberg points are just stating game information that’s told to you in game unavoidably.
True but sometimes I forget things so it's nice to have a refresher
And some of the information is simply wrong. Especially the number of tonberrys needed to spawn the king
some are only if you go to optional places but yeah, my Squall is Rinoa's half brother theory is way more research intensive. As is the Rinoa is Ultimecia theory and lower humans (made by mages ffVI ,ffVII & ffVIII) since they can't use magic naturally versus natural humans (ffIX, ffX and ff12(ivalice/crystal chronical)). All of these theories require multi game or in-depth knowledge.
@@LocalChoker lol I just killed tonberries without counting the first time... I had a bit of a grudge after ff7
@@liamnehren1054 omg no they are not related whatsoever.
This is a pretty unknown fact but did you know this Triple Triad card game had a whole side RPG loaded on it? Pretty crazy that most players didn't even realize
I did not. Damn, that would have been sometime to add. I've learned so much from the comments. I will have to make a continuation of this video, correcting my mistakes (mecha...) and adding all the things that people have shared.
Thanks for sharing this. Appreciate the comment. Cheers bud.
I don't understand
@TypetwoAbsolute are you talking about getting the artist to make new cards and track them down with the info that he gives you?
@Jae M I know the game I played it many times. I was trying to figure out what he was talking about. But now that I've read it for the 10th time I realise he was making a statement not stating a fact.
@Jae M technically you can just skip all the card club and earn all the cards from the queen on the 4th disc at the end of time.
The U=R theory is just too fitting. I don't care what SE said about this theory a decade later, I consider it as marketing to keep Rinoas image "pure". To me, this is canon. And luckily, we live in a world in wich corporations can't decide what part of fiction i consider canon in my head.
Absolutely sames for me.
Rainoa, Daiyablos, Balaam, Safer, cheekobo, Erveen, treebia, ultemecha
also about death theory - while it makes sense, i understand why devs didn`t like it - first, it makes large portion of script insignificant, second - many people really hate twists about character being dead(tbf its often sounds stupid)
You are correct. Still a really fun theory. Cheers.
It would have been interesting if he WAS dead, but then the time travel element was used to undo that.
@@AstroTibs great idea actually and in FF's spirit
@@AstroTibs Chrono Trigger
Personally, I theorize that every game in the FF franchise is a literal final fantasy. The protagonists dying dream. With FF9 being the exception, because they all literally die at the end.
The lunar cry was an interesting phenomenon too as the monsters encountered came from the moon and a past lunar cry caused catastrophic damage to the Centra continent. If I remembered that correctly.
What i remember is the whole world was like Esthar and Ultimicia launched the 1st Lunar Cry which unleashed many fiends which destroyed all but Esthar and a couple flying military fortresses (the Gardens). shortly there after Ultimicia was sealed away in FFVIIIs version of the dark zone.
However the seal became weak allowing her to mentally posses Edea... though Edea's body was still aging. Ultimicia needed a physical body to inhabit which is why she beckoned Rinoah into space through Edea with a complete mind fuck.
Yup, the crystal pillar in lunatic pandora (the thing looks like a fridge) + tears point amplifies it and pinpoint the lunar cry location exactly in esthar. Also the tomb of Adel being sealed between the moon and earth by the help of gravitational force is really interesting to me
Maybe it is just me but I feel like the Lunar Cry and the GFs role in memory loss were two huge story points that were included but ultimately had zero impact on the story.
Although the Lunar Cry happened, shortly after you immediately go to Lunatic Pandora which then leads to compressed time. The Lunar Cry seems to have almost no larger observable impact on the story.
Furthermore, there was an entire scene talking about GFs and their impact on memory. However, despite the risk all of the characters decide to continue to use GFs because they need to accomplish their goal. But, ultimately, there was no observable consequence of the players continued use of GFs. Which, in my opinion, made that scene almost meaningless.
@@michaeltitus107 You could say that the continued use of the GFs is what nearly seals Squall in the Time Compression, and it's only because Rinoa, who had not been using the GFs for nearly as long, that he was recoverable.
@@michaeltitus107 Totally agreed. I replayed the remaster recently, after most recently playing as a kid. I remember being totally confused by the story then. I was totally confused all over again. You end up going back into the world, and there are little changes after the lunar cry. You’d expect something apocalyptic after that, but only run into a few extra monsters.
You got one thing wrong Diablos has No-Encounters Cerberes only has Alert. Other wise great video
Oh I got plenty of things wrong apparently lol. Commenters have brought up a lot of additional and incorrect information presented here unfortunately. But it was fun to make and I'm glad you enjoyed it. Cheers.
@@Maker1 the feedbacks half the fun ;)
My favorite Final Fantasy game. Gr8 video my guy
Same mate. Thanks much.
That thumbnail tho.
Dude I was so young back then...
Haha. Yeah, 8 didn't have a Tifa but if I stumble across a busty Rinoa while making a thumbnail, you KNOW Imma use it.
Too add to Boko the Chocobo. Boko is the name of the Chocobo belonging to the main Character in FF V Bartz.
Oh that's awesome. Thanks for the contribution.
@@Maker1 Boco is actualy returning reference in the series like Wedge and Biggs, you have the Boco card in tetra master in FF9, you have the Boco Card in MobiusFF what was a suporting skill with buffs and a middle strong heal, You can save Boco in a event battle in FFTactics and let him join your team, in FFTA2 the name of the chocobo in the hunters stable is Boco, you have the reference in chocobo world that Boco is looking for his friend Mog, same as in Chocobo mystery dungeon 2, where Mog gets often lost and need to find him again in the dungeon. In chocobo racing and Chocobo mystery dungeon 1 & 2 the chocobo can be given any name but is sugested that its Boco because he always has a best friend moogle with the name Mog. And the last reference that i remember is the chocobo summon in FF7, he is attacking together with his friend Mog. im sure there are far more of it. Would be happy to hear about them if anyone finds more.
The only purpose of GFs is to junction stats. The basic attack command does far more damage per minute than any GF.
Indeed, it’s the downfall of most new players to spam GFs and not junction properly which ruins the game for many. The game itself can partially be blamed for having terrible tutorials and not explaining why you should do things.
there is another way to get holly wars, each time you face Saifer, you got to steal from him, you face him 3 times, and in each time you can steal a holly war or similar. if you don't get the holly wars you got to reset however you can face Omega with a simple hero (stole from saifer, as its random what you get from stealing from him, and you can only get one thing) , the thing is you need to have one party member alive to revive the others. there is also the Angelo trick howling moon, that grants holy wars, though that is so random that is better to steal from saifer each time .just reset if you get the "trial" item, which is a dummy version of the real thing that may work or not. Don't have to say you must keep them till you fight omega.
you forgot the opposite of the queen of card, or the joker of cards as i call him, is the lonely bum at the docks of Zell home town, he resets all rules to none just by playing with him. of course you got to at least find the queen of cards so she add the open rule. this is great to have a easy game of cards. and always play the CC club wile near Zell's town to reset the rules to none, as some rules are really game breaking.
actually we dont need holy war, hero, or invisible stuff to defeat omega weapon,, defeat him before he use terra break, just maximize the char stats and put triple on spd-j
FF8 is one of my favorites. I replayed it a lot and I also loved the card game. I'd love to see a remake, like they did with 7.
That would be cool, but it'll never happen.
@@TheOneGreat I dunno with all the recent love 8 has been getting you never know.
Tier Nine: the only magic that you cannot use in junction is Apocalypse which can be drawn from Ultimecia's lower half
what exactly represents Artemisias lower half? Its like Animas lower half... Is this a coincidence?
Ultima weapon (FF8) also happens to wield Clouds ultimate weapon
The Ultima weapon?
Rhino ah, kwal and saver in Feenil fontaseiy VIII. Perfect.
You forgot ulti MECHA.
Lmfao those pronounciations had me in tears
I wish there was more info on the Deep Sea Research place. Such a cool spot, ripe with potential lore history (especially the deepest parts with the ancient civilization which some say is tied to FF3)
That's interesting. I'd never heard that connection. I'm considering doing an FF3/6 iceberg soon. Though I think Chrono Trigger will be the next one I work on.
This is actually the first I've ever heard about that dungeon. Here I thought I knew the game like the back of my hand and there's still stuff I didn't know xD
@@grimreapress8578 but… How!?
Thumbnail classy AF.
🥂
Seifer also has another beautiful Limit Break called *Demon Slice*. He use it in the principal room of Galbadia Garden while Edea sits comfortably on that fabolous "chair".
When I was a kid i was so obsessed with him and his style. I'm so glad they make a nice work to make him quite enjoyable in Dissidia Opera Omnia. (Even though Bloodfest is his ""tier2"" skill and Demon Slice is ""tier3"" skill).
Also i'm not a Squall is Dead supporter.
Though I'm an extremly Rinoa=Artemisia theory supporter (i mean cmon, it's Time Travel realness). Also Yes, her name is Artemisia and not Ultimecia (the contrary of Aeris/Aerith issue). That's some horrible translation.
Wow what a wonderful contribution. I did not know that. I appreciate you watching the commenting. Cheers friend.
Rinoa's real name is Lenore (Rinoa is just the romanised version of the katakana used to say Lenore in Japanese phonetics).
How can you still believe the 'Rinoa is Ultimecia' theory when the game developers literally said it's false?
@@grimreapress8578 Besides the fact that it would just makes so much sense and I would not be surprise if they actually made It "true" in a possible remaster, haven't you asked yourself why a person is acting that way?
Clearly Artemisia is missing something as a main antagonist of the game. She Is between two of the best antagonist in the FF Series, Kuja and Sephiroth: They have their own meanings and reasons clearly described in the progression of the story.
Artemisia is clearly missing something, not to justify, but to explain her behaviour; She was clearly meant to be so much more, some sort of tragic-love related antagonist, seeking for someone. Just looking at her few dialogues and her relationship with Seifer, while also being pointed as a Witch and abomination from the whole society so the theme of Loneliness, Social Rejection and the consecutive Madness of Nihilism.
She was after all a human, like Adele, Edea and Rinoa. Clearly power corrupt but what She was before?
Adele Is clearly the example of "Evil Witch" yet S-He Is clearly "sane" and greedy for Domination, seeking for Power so we have a reasons why She is acting like that.
Edea on the other hand is the "Good Witch" and states that She needed a Knight (Cid) along her side to keep her humanity intact: i think Square missed a big opportunity to actually enhanced and underline the psycology valor of some characters and the "Knight-Witch" theme, not to mention the Hyne Legend that i love.
Also there is Time Travel in this game, and anyone knows how much complex a story can be with it. My guess is they didn't want to touch much the time-travel thing and the relative Multi-dimentional results for reasons to us unknown (maybe lack of time).
I still think that when we play FF8, we are playing inside a secondary alternative reality. Remember that SEEDs were born for the "consecutive" purpouse of "killing" the Witch from the future.
But what if SEEDs where never needed to exist, the previous reality that actually generate the character of Artemisia through her past self? The only name i can think Is Rinoa. Living under a toxic and suffocating father, without the presence of the mother, being a rebel, fighting for Freedom, No Train Mission with the SEEDs losing to the Galbadia president that still lurking around the continent and want Power and conquering Esthar. Of course a big plot is missing from this point onwards, and that would had been Square duty.
I love this game since i was 5 and this theory grow with my mind without even knowing many people were talking about it.
It was so natural to me asking myself, "Who was this person? Why is She like this?".
I mean c'mon. Really? We are talking about Squaresoft.
The One of the Big twist of FF7 (Zack) or the Deep moments of Life and Death in FF9 (Not Alone + Kuja Redemption etc). I think that FF8 was meant to be at the same level of these two and the Key to that was "Rinoa is Artemisia" yet they probably got overtaken by the difficulty of "Playing with Time Travel" and by time itself.
For example and Don't get me wrong, i love Junction you can't even Imagine, but i understand people that can't stand It: They clearly hadn't time to polish the Gameplay (core of any game).
"Also Yes, her name is Artemisia and not Ultimecia "
Her Japanese name is Arutimishia, which, when pronounced, Ultimecia captures very well. Much better than Artemisia. Hell, Artemisia is not even close, pronunciation-wise.
I love these type of videos for some reason, and Final Fantasy is my favorite franchise so that's exciting, I'll be checking out the other ones you did woohooo
I was thinking, i like the draw concept, but i think this should go both ways. If magic raises stats and if magic is used, stats go down, enemies should also weaken once their magic is being drawn by the party, or when enemies use magics too.
It could be expanded in ff8 remake, where draw systems becomes a crucial part of gameplay. Like you can lessen speed of cactuar by drawing magic junctioned to its speed stat. Some enemies have resistance to draw, while some enemies will exploit its weakness if their magics are drawn.
This also applies to players. Like bombs can wipe your entire resistance to fire making their kamikaze a one hit kill, so you need to have some resistance to being drawn. Like shell prevents draw by half.
That is actually really smart. I love your suggestion. They could even limit the number of magics able to be drawn. Then you couldn't just sit in one battle for an hour and draw a hundred fire or whatever. I think it would help with the pacing of the games too, because that was the most common way to obtain 100. It was very grindy and boring.
Thing is, the magic isn’t junctioned by monsters.
Drawing GFs actually does weaken some bosses, the best example i remember is Drawing Pandemona from Fujin makes her unable to cast Tornado.
@@____________838 yes but it can be expanded. Originally we can only draw certain magics from enemies like fire from the bitebug. If expanded, we can use scan to see where exactly in their stat is the fire magic junctioned.
@@mauricesteel4995 I didn't know this!
Somehow I was missing the part where you can plan to not get Odin to prevent getting Gilgamesh and then get Odin at the end of the game and keep him.
Also strange to not mention the portals leading to the overworld again in the end. I am kinda sure lots of people never realized that they can go back and even play the triple triad best players again.
What???
Wtf are you talking about?
@@buhtsecks1303 if you get Odin, usually he dies to Gilgamesh.
But if you play until disk 4 and then go for Odin's place, you can get him and not lose anymore.
Your pronunciation of their names really bother me ngl
Same :D
I like that the closest he ever got to pronouncing Rinoa's name right is when he said Linoa.
lol. Funny how a single letter can make such a huge difference in how a word is perceived and pronounced in English.
You know many of final fantasy games music and other jrpgs got used during the Tokyo Olympics
Nice collection of info :) thanks for the effort !!
So nice of you. Final Fantasy fans are the best.
"When the timer reaches 0 it triggers the......."
I think you miscut this part in 27:31 .
And thank you for the effort. It was awesome.
Mistakes were made. Thanks a ton!
I dont believe Squall is dead theory.. You see in the ending that they are celebrating.. Why would they celebrate if Squall is dead?? Doesnt make sense.. But rinoa and ultimecia are one theory, at some point i believe that theory.. When squall is dying rinoa's image is blurring.. Maybe, when he died, rinoa will change and become ultimecia.. Thats why he wants to stay alive to avoid that to happen..
Very interesting input. It's amazing how these theories can develop and take the story to the next level. Thanks for commenting. :)
the weakest and most desperate theory the fan can make up. FF chars dont die easily. esp the mc 😂
One way to prove Ultimecia is Rinoa is the ring she gets Zell to replicate. When you get it back from Zell, she ask you what the emblem is. The default name is Griever which is the GF Ultimecia creates, but if you change the name that's the name of the GF Ultimecia creates. The only person that knows the name is Squall (you) and Rinoa.
Griever is born of Squalls imagination. It's power grows stronger the more vividly Squall imagines it, as it embodies the virtues that he interprets to be the ultimate GF, and because the rings symbolism is so important to him, it manifests into what his subconscious believes the most formidable opponent for him would be, as he essentially has to overcome a part of himself. It is explained by Ultimecia during the final battle and has nothing to do with Rinoa or what you name it.
The squall is dead theory always annoys me because people say about the crazy shit that happened after disc 1. In the first disc, you fight a fire god, beat a huge ass robot spider and fight a zombie. If it's stated later on that mumbas can heal, which is likely how Squall was healed after edeas attack
Seriously the whole ‘my wound, no wound’ bit at disc 2 drove me crazy back when I was a kid
Yeah, me too. Especially due to the fact that they put scars on Squall and Seifer faces like telling you "people do get hurt here!". Then Squall is impaled and... "no wound"
It still doesn't make sense for me to this day
The theory is that Edea recognised him from the orphanage and made it LOOK like she was hurting him but infact just incapacitated him instead.
@@tiagoc9754 he probably got the scar because of where they were training, i.e. no one around somewhere outside the garden or privately, it never says where but you do see an open area in the cutscene. Also if you are disabling people to bring them in for questioning and gravely injury the leader, who probably knows the most, in a world where healing magic exists and you just happen to be a powerful sorceress... honestly it would have been weirder if he had even a slight scar.
FF8 is my favorite in the series because watching my babysitters kid play the game when i was like 6 or 7 was magical and i had so much sense of wonder
These iceberg videos have been popping up in my feed for a while. Glad I finally clicked one.
Chocobo World can be played on western releses, or at least on PAL version. You just need a Pocket Station.
Another thing, there is a single frame in the ending animation, which shows Ultimecia. Not sure if there is any meaning to this, though.
Interesting. I may have to examine that one further if I ever make a part 2 to this video.
Steam
I can personally vouch for this. Got a PocketStation and worked on the US version way back in late 90s
Siren's Bush?
I always thought it was a little shell there covering things.
Interesting. Perhaps that is the case.
I also always thought it was a sea shell. Interesting regardless since they covered it up in the remastered!
I don't really think the death one makes much sense, but i understand why people theorize about it
Agreed. Thanks for the feedback, mate. Cheers
I always thought the "Squall is Dead" theory was absurd, and I can see why the developers have invalidated it.
[Deep breath] According to the theory, the missile launch, Squall's wound healing without a trace, Balamb and Galbadia Garden becoming mobile, time compression, and Ultimecia's levitating castle in Disk 2 and beyond are fantastical; *and yet* the giant mutant caterpillars, living t-rexes, giant flying alien monster at the communication tower, transdimensional magic lamp, Edea teleporting, ghost at the Tomb of the Unknown King, Iguion statues coming to life, Card Mod ability, and ability to cast magic and summon GFs from thin air in Disk 1 are reality? It just does not add up at all. Heck, there are Phoenix Downs and Life magic that revive party members, even in Disk 1, so it wouldn't make sense for Squall to be truly killed off, even if the ice spear did kill him.
Besides, the game is the developers' property. They've written the game's story themselves, not us players, so they can say anything about the plot and it can be true.
You're right. Only the creator can decide what is official and canon.
Appreciate the feedback.
Phoenix Downs and Revive magic doesn't really revive people, it recovers people from being knocked out. FFVII proved that correct.
I really thought the theory was dumb from the start. Final Fantasy has always been about embracing the fantastical. The part of the game in Esthar is my favorite.
I think we all can agree the most beautiful part of the game is Fisherman Horizon
The darkest part of the game is when rinoa in comatoes state.
And the fact you that u cant go back to town in disk 4
My most favorite in-game part in FF8 are:
Triad Force: it's a fun tick tack tow card game. The best part is getting the Guardian Force Card and of course the FF8's Character Cards. You "Gonna Collect them All"
Controlling Seifer at the first part of the game and Playing as Laguna, Kiros and Ward when Squall and Company entering into "Dreamer" mode
Collecting GF, it's Summon and Ability Animations. Getting Odin and Gilgamesh
The theory about Rinoa becoming Ultimecia is evidently true but Square doesn't want to confirm it as they don't want to spill the beans. It suggests the fact that sorceress never aged like an ordinary human so maybe Rinoa witnessed Squall died in the future and turn him into a GF called the Griever from Squall's ring. Since she has knowledge about Ellone bringing the consciousness of someone into the past, so she want's Ellone's power to reunite with Squall once again in past but end up killing her.
That was debunked by the creator
@@wintertrooper7918 The creator doesn't know what a good theory is.
@@oats7924 clearly he does cause the Rinoa=ultemcia theory is pretty flimsy and relies heavily on incorrect information that us clearly explained in game
Chocobo world was still in the international versions of the game, you just needed an imported pocket station to access it. I had one and played it back at release.
I'm in the US and I ordered a Pocket Station overseas a few years for this very thing!
@@olburgle2841 Yes! I had to have one after reading about them in psn magazine! I had a clear one, I think I still have it in wherever my box of memory cards is.
You can play the pocket station on the steam version, can't you? I haven't played it in ages I'm on switch now.
Rinoa's resemblance to Ultimecia doesn't mean anything. Square (and a number of other Japanese video game devs) like making characters faces with perfect doll-like features, especially for FMVs back in the day. Point in case, if you give Squall's hairstyle and hair color to Zell or Seifer they'll look like his twin in the cutscenes.
True. Thanks for the engagement.
that doll like appearance with long black hair is actually a japan thing usually called Yamato Nadeshiko but also refers to how they carry themselves with grace lol that doesn't always sync with rinoa's personality but it does with the other sorceresses
@@liamnehren1054 I'm talking about face design, not character archetypes. And what I'm actually saying is not just a Japan thing. Korean and Chinese developers model 3D characters like this as well and they often end up having too many characters (mostly females) looking samey because they often go for the doll-like beauty. Rinoa and Ultimecia have subtle differences however. By anime terms Rinoa would be a tareme and Ultimecia a tsurime due to the shape of the eyes.
@@Demokaze yeah I knew that it was because of budget design for the most part remember that these kinds of models used to be much harder to make as well. I am also just saying that there is a cultural tendency towards making that kind of character, for any female part that is supposed to be elegant so they will be similar.
I think Rinoa's resemblance isn't because she becomes Ultimecia, but rather that she becomes a Sorceress and it might mean that Ultimecia is Rinoa's ancestor from the future.
Most of them in fact do not have a shared universe. Funnily enougn, part of Gilgamesh's whole thing is using the Rift to move between realities. Almost every Gilgamesh we see is the same guy.
Also, while Ultimecia and Rinoa are very similar, there are two *big* physical characteristics that vary greatly between the two. ;)
Holy shite this is great work!!! Great job!!
Thanks mate
The long hair squall is basically Lightning from ffxiii.. Lol
Very underrated and underappreciated entry in the series. This was and still is actually my favorite FF game. I forget what the item was called, but it basically allowed you to do your limit break whenever you used it. I remember going to the island of heaven and hell and stealing or either getting this particular enemy to drop something that allowed you to make these items. I spent so many hours trying to get as much as I could to max out my inventory. Was totally worth it. There was so much you could do in that game. Played right, and nothing could stand against you. Besides Ultima and Omega weapon. I beat Ultima, didn't even try omega😂😂. I was so OP by the end though. I remember being so disappointed with the final boss fight because I beat her so easily. I'm pretty sure my fight took less than 5 minutes.😂😂😂
no mention of griever "the most powerful gf" having the same name as squall's ring?
Yeah that would have been a great entry.
I might have to make an update video with all the additions people suggested and the correct pronunciations.
People are practically wishing death on me because of it lol.
Thanks for the contribution!
@@Maker1 lol i was looking forward to griever because i never understood that connection fully (but I'm not that deep in ff8 fandom that i would be reading ff8 reddit and wiki all day). still good video, brings back some memories from playing this game, which is mostly why i watched it. keep it up
That's exactly where I stood on it all. It was just a fun little ride down nostalgia lane that I could attempt to rediscover a little bit of that magic from childhood. But thanks so much. Appreciate all your contribution.
Excellent video, thank you. As a dude who grew up on FF8 I learned alot.
Glad you enjoyed it! Unpopular opinion, but 8 was my favorite growing up.
@@Maker1 I really did enjoy this video! FF8 is my favorite of all time FF games. The game is just unique in it's own special and nostalgic way.
I sometimes argue in my head wether X was better than 8 because I got so lost in both but I think 8 edges it slightly 💪
Ultima Weapon @4:52 is wielding the Ultimate Weapon of Cloud Strife from the previous game FF7.
You mention Rinoa's Wings being strong, but not Selphie's Ultimate, "The End?". Just like Gilgamesh can instantly end any encounter in the game, including Omega Weapon, which I have actually had happen on a Slots Roll. Also, no mention of Zell and his Omega/Infinite Punch. Which is just cycling his 1st and 2nd ability cards, Square + X and Up/Down with maxed out stats.
The End doesn't work against diablos. If you use it in the final battle, it progresses to the next phase, only ends it if it's the final phase.
Never seen the Rinoa is Ultimecia theory. But as I’m watching I had the thought that it would make more sense she’s Rinoa’s daughter or even further descendent. Would play right into the rest of the themes of the game of parents and children, lineage. Would also make for interesting “grandfather paradox” of time travel speculations.
Bruh.
That's Canon. Not a theory.
That's literally the interpretation my 12 year old brain took away.
Tifa's teacher has ?128? Students maybe zell was one of them
FF7 has lots of references to 7 throughout, and 128 is 2^7. Fun fact.
@Death Guidance I honestly don't think so. They peppered the game with 7s (Sector 7, 7th Heaven, 7777 HP, 7 limit breaks per character, etc).
Zangan having only seven students didn't sound that impressive, and you're dealing with programmers. 128 does nicely.
Amazing video, there is a couple of things that are missing, tho.
The first is that there were a theory that this game and FF3 are in the same universe, as 1) the maps are similar and 2) when you meet the White SeeDs they tell you about the God of FF8, I can't recall the name, but such name appears in FF3 too.
And the other one is the true origin of Ultimecia, taken from the official FF8 Japanese strategy guide, there is a section that mentions about why Ultimecia wants to "compress the time" (or destroy the world). It reveals that Ultimecia was hated by everyone since she is a witch, and because everyone knew she wanted to destroy the world (because she actually tried it, in the past, which is the present time where Squall lives). Ultimecia, knowing that somehow she will be killed by someone from "SeeD", decides that she will try to escape her destity, by changing (compressing) the time. At the end, by trying to escape her destiny, she was the one who made it happen. Quite sad.
A hint of this can be seen in the game, when you realize that everything Edea says are actually Ultimecia's words. Edea's speech at the end of disc 1 has a different meaning once you know that those words are actually Ultimecia's.
Imagine reading in the story books that you will travel to the past and try to kill everyone. Such thing hasn't happened yet, tho, because you haven't done that, yet, but there are records about it, because in the future, you find a way to travel to the past. That's a very good concept for a time travel plot, rarely seen.
Cool video , definitively subbed!
Thanks for the sub!
You forgot to mention that "whatever" is a huge mistranslation in some cases and was just thrown in to save time in others.
Other European translations addressed this and gave Squall an actual personality.
Resonant Arc explain in their video why this translation isn't actually bad at all.
@@Kokosanka92 There are many points where "whatever" literally doesn't match the Japanese dialogue in the least, so he's wrong.
17:56 where did u find these picture? They look so good!
Google Images :P
Did you ever see the cosplays!?
at 6:37 -- the title of the song is Liberi Fatali not Fithos Lusec Wecos Vinosec (although it's in the lyrics)
Fithos Lusec Wecos Vinosec was the music played during the Edea Parade at Deiling City
Hearing different name pronunciations took some getting used to lol, I’ve always said:
Edea: “Eh-Deh-Yah”
Ultimecia: “Uhl-tee-meh-see-yuh”
Quistis: “Kwis-tees Trep-ay”
Rinoa: “Rih-no-uh”
Balamb: “Buh-lamb”
How does everyone else pronounce their names?
While you did address it in your follow up video, I'd recommend looking up name pronunciations when producing any type of media like this. Since it's a Japanese game, you can find the Japanese name, stick it in a translator, and figure out the correct English pronunciation fairly quickly.
Example: Ultimecia is アルティミシア (Arutimishia) in Japanese which you still pronounced incorrectly in the follow up video. It's written in katakana which means it's a foreign word to them (derived from the English word Ultimate). Pronounced like "Ulh + ti + me + c + ah" in English. Same with Rinoa (リノア, Rinoa) and Seifer (サイファー, Saifaa).
The mispronounced names really triggered me 🤣🤣🤣
Irvine and Raijin as well......
This is my favorite Final fantasy game in the series I love the romance
I think I played 8 the most. Probably 9 right after that! 🍻
@@Maker1 9 was really cool I really like Zidane has a protagonist
There Was A Lot I Didn't Know When I Played It Last!!
On the original PS release, Selphie's final limit break, "The End" will work on Omega Weapon. Have a hero's drink ready and you can pop that off at the start of battle. And yes, it is a 1shot KO.
Ultimacha 😂😂😂 ultimecia I'm kidding not giving you any shit great video
Thanks :)
I need this for FFX.
Yessir
This content is *chefs kiss* keep it coming plz
Nice video but there are a number of small mistakes, for example your description of Cerberus at 8:27 is good except he isn't the GF that helps you avoid random encounters (that would be Diablos with his Enc-half and Enc-none abilities).
When you get to disc 4, is there a way to revisit cities or are you forever locked into the final showdown?
There is no way to revisit cities. However, several of the GF's (I think primarily Tonberry King?) have an ability that lets you access shops from the menu, and IIRC, that still works on Disc 4.
I think right before you enter the Lunatic Pandora at the end of disc 3 is the last time you can visit locations.
Lunatic pandora is the Point of no return for FF8 after entering you are locked into the endgame.
Rinoa's Future was the theory that really made me love this game. All the evidence that suggests it is so curious, such as the link between Griever and the scene where she wishes time could stand still for her and Squall. In that context I would say it isn't about becoming "drunk with power" but what she becomes when she suffers a loss she can never get over. It adds a lot of weight to the story, but also one of those kinda things that is better if they don't outright say it
from where did you get the photo of the tumbnail?
I capitalized Odin's insta-kill ability to level up. I gave each of my characters death attached to their weapons and thusly went straight to the Island Closest to Hell where the strongest monsters are. By having death equipped and having Odin, leveling up takes very little time what-so-ever. Any time Odin doesn't appear or the equipped Death skill doesn't take effect, just run away. Run in circles near the Ragnarok or Balamb Garden. If you need more items or feel like carrying on with the storyline, you can instantly get into your ship and leave.
There's a Chinese TV series called My Date with A Vampire 2. It uses characters and music from FFVIII.
Oh that would have been a great one to add as well!
@@Maker1 ruclips.net/video/iY59XIv8R7A/видео.html
Yea check this clip out, Seifer looking dude and theme song and everything. I know they’re vampires but this is the closest thing to a live action FF8 movie, lol!!!
Lol that's actually awesome. Looks entertaining. XD
Final Fantasy music was also played in the Tokyo Olympics' opening ceremony. It was the chocobo racing victory theme from ffvii (and likely others- I've only played three of the games).
It's been how many years and I didn't know about that dancing soldier secret?
What about the battle meter that cid gives you after the seed inauguration party? Or that all cards can be won back on ragnarok once the CC club is on board.
Good video but the pronunciation of some words is way off
Yeah I know =/
Thanks though :D
Wasnt save the queen a reference to the sword that's appeared through the series?
I'm sure it was. But where did THAT reference come from? Funny that you mention it though, I just acquired that weapon in my ff9 playthrough. Cheers mate!
@@Maker1 The first time is shows up is in Final Fantasy Tactics. I thought it was in 3 and 6 but turns out that's in the 3d and advanced releases, which were released after FF8. So just a single reference to FFT at that point chronologically
most of this was apparent if you actually read the dialogue, but the bit about fithos lusec mecos vinosec being an anagram was a complete revelation for me. thanks for sharing.
also i still remember having leviathan for the demo and expecting to get it when i was first in dollet. also you failed to mention that in the demo x-atm092 was called x-atm082, something else i noticed after playing the fully released game
What planet are you living on where you pronounce Ultimecia as "Ultimekka"?
I ignored like 4 other pronunciations, but I just couldn't with that one.
What about the worldwide radio interference, Selphie being able to cast Para-Magic without junction with her Limit Break, the topic of the researches and what was found inside the Deep Sea Research Center, the Great Hyne and the dialogues implying he was supposed to be the true final boss?
Hyne hid away. Leaving half of his "body". He scammed them and is living the good life on Costa Del Sol.
Feels like this iceberg didn't go below the surface level. Some cool facts tho
Bottom of the ocean: Squall dies at the end of Disc 1. Everything after that is his mind living out his final fantasy.
I think the quistis portrait facing the right is because as an instructor. She would be facing the classes while the class faces her