First of all let me start off by giving Ron all the credit for my speaker decisions. Ron was kind enough to spend some time with me four months ago. Everything he covers in this video is absolutely true. After speaking with Ron, I bought both the M3 Sapphires and the NX studios. For me, it was a lifestyle choice. My room is 25x20 ft. I knew that I would have to pull the speakers into the middle of the room and away from the walls in order to get them to disappear. There was no way I could leave the speakers out there when I was not listening to music. I made the decision to go with the Sapphires because it was easier to bring out rather than dealing with the NX Oticas and servo subs. I still wanted to enjoy the NX studios in my office so I purchased those as well. I know there were some comments that the Sapphires did not disappear while listening to them by certain people. I can tell you if you bring them out away from the wall 5-6 foot and have them 8 ft apart they will sound unbelievable. I have them teamed up with the new NAD M33. Ron was right on target with the NX studios upper end. I do hear a little bit more shimmer in them as well. The NX studios are superb monitors and I highly recommend them also. The sapphires are just unbelievable with the bass, They hit hard. I have a SVS PB 4000 subwoofer and I have no desire to turn it on while listening to the Sapphires. I was so happy with Ron helping me out I decided to sign up on his patreon account. Ron's the real deal.
Mr flimflam fremdippity danyet Mike “(OCD variety)” isn’t just trying simply to sell products. His passion for HiFi runs very deep, but he’s also a very kind and helpful person. Maybe if you just tried talking to him, you’d see that he’s not some kinda pushy salesman. He’s got stuff for sale, but is also very forthcoming about that, and I’m glad to call him a friend. I’ll leave it at that.
I just wish i could afford both sets.. I cant even afford one of the two sets here... It's just a question of fantastic sound, or devorce! It's a great shame with a retired bloke like me on a mega pension, will miss out on what I yearn for... Enjoy your system, you dirty rotten LUCKY bastard... Frank... UK...
Mr flimflam fremdippity danyet I see you deleted what you said regarding the so-called “OCD variety” to erase your tracks. If you disagree, why don’t you stand by and back up your words? All of these guys like Ron, Sean, Jay, Steve G., Thomas, Mike, etc., etc. that are putting up vids and reviews for the HiFi community are obviously very passionate about what they do, and you can learn from each and everyone of them. This entire situation is very unlike me, because I don’t like arguing with anyone. This is a community, and we need to stick together and help and support one another regardless of where they are on their HiFi journey. That includes being honest and respectful of one another.
@@NickP333 I actually thought about it afterwards and realized Ron probably wouldn't appreciate bickering on his posting about audio so that's that. I know people who have had not so great experience dealing with the prementioned person. The guy does sell products and pushes them on his page. God Bless him!. That's as far as I'm going. Ron is a different breed and I appreciate his integrity.
Ron, I am late to this one. I missed it when it was first released. I was just sorting through some oldies and found this one. IT IS YOUR BEST! fantastic analysis. You did a great job explaining the pros and cons and reading the comments, you got people talking. Well done sir.
Sapphires might be the speakers from the future but man, you right there are the one of the biggest audio reviewers/coaches of the future!! You make sense man and I respect your sensibilities. Kudos from India!! Cheers.
I'm not an audiophile, and probably won't buy this type of gear anytime soon, but I really appreciate the sincerity and expert commentary you deliver in the review.. Very well done Sir!
I own an original pair of the M3’s that Clayton produced a few years ago. Heard them at the RMAF show and for the money could not find another speaker that could compete. I met Clayton at the time he was showing them off and was so impressed with him as a designer and a genuinely nice individual I decided to buy the speakers. I do intend to eventually upgrade because mine lack high end, which Clayton has corrected with these new M fives. That said, an audiophile friend of mine was over for dinner and was absolutely blown away by the sound of the M3’s. There is no question the open baffle design produces a fantastically musical effect. I think you’re spot on with regard to how you describe the sound of Clayton’s speakers. They lean in the direction of making music more pleasant to listen to. That’s not a bad thing.
Ron, you’re an excellent reviewer … this is a great explanation of differences that leave for us to consider our preferences. I have Nola Champ S3’s, as my entry point to open baffle, but I’m interested in trying GR, Spatial, Linkwitz, etc. open baffle implementations.
Thanks for all the recent info on open baffle designs. Being in Europe I'm now really interested in how the Pure Audio Trio15 Classics might compare to the M3 Sapphires.
Thanks for posting this Ron. It's interesting that you find the bass on the Sapphires quicker than the GR subs. I wonder how the powered subs of the X series would compare. Talk Clayton into lending you a set for review!
@@Newrecordday2013 you have to do it!! Danny called them budget kings. Roughly $500... I woold like to know how they compare to $1500 elacs, kef R3, Magnepan 1.7i, etc... do they actually compete with higher priced gear? Also... do the upgrades make much of a difference? As in is it a little bit, night and day, or non. Does it need a sub to get a good full range?
Ron I asked this on the previous video but thought I would jump it to here. Any chance you would do a M3 Sapphire vs. X5 comparison? I think you are the guy to do it. The X5 is 8ohm 97db vs Sapphire 4ohm 92db. Thanks FWS
Thank you, that review is exactly what I am looking for - as my wife told, we do not need "hyper realism" /how they open lips, saliva in mouth/. Just music.
Ron, after Danny responded to your bass comparison between the sapphires and oticas, did you adjust the setting on your gr subs? Did this change your opinion?
Great Job Ron, in my room that's 11.5ftx13.5 ft, what do you recommend the little brother M5 or the M3. What's the difference between both models w/ regards to room sizing and sound. And FYI I use a single aegir right now. Great review Ron. Spot On
I heard these at the Capital Audio Fest, and I really love your review, but now I have to ask should I now be looking at the X3 or the X5, and also do have any plans too review either of those? Also, have you heard the Pure Audio Project? Thanks for all you do, and Keep Up the Great work. Also, when is the review for the NAD M33 coming?
@@Newrecordday2013 DUH!!! YES PLEASE!! I mean seriously, we waited 4 months for this review...lol! So yes bring on the X series, and the Pure Audio Project, and let's have an Open Baffle love fest, and thank you again!!
@@Newrecordday2013 Yes Yes Yes !!! (Daniel Bryan Style) .... The X5 are relatively close to the Sapphire M3 in terms of pricing, a comparison between them would be great. Thank you so much for these reviews :) :)
Great Video as always Ron! I would really love an in depth review of the NX Studios. I know you touched on them a little bit in another video but a dedicated video with comparisons with „real world“ bookshelfs would be a dream! Cheers
Great introduction to the NX review. An interesting comparison would be with hi res symphonic music. There the lower foundation of the servo subs and the planar dipole tweeter on strings may take it home. Or at least that's what I'd like to understand at this point of my hifi journey, I currently own the old M3 turbo S, best speaker I had by far, incredible with jazz and well recorder rock - but classical music still seems to be missing something.
I've mentioned this before; but Schiit explicitly say that the Aegir isn't recommended for 4 ohm loads. To quote from my email with them: > We don't recommend running Aegirs at 4ohms. The vidar really is a better choice here.
Ron, as much as I love my Volti Audio Aluras, you have convinced me to purchase a pair of Sapphires. I have enjoyed your reviews since you started your channel, but the level you are achieving in the last year is darned cool. I have wanted to purchase an OB speaker, and I have, won't say whose product because they don't 'do it' whatsoever. It seems Spatial may be the real game changer in the OB category. Thanks for your truth. :)
Great vid as usual. I wonder if the quickness in the sapphire’s base vs Otica’s/sub combo is because they don’t go as deep...so it’s perceived quickness.
Goodpoint ron. We have been using hiend processors and even with ones that dont affect phase shift still sound compressed. Everytime you use time alignment ot affects openess of sound
Hi Ron, After watching this video and since I am considering the M3 Saphire's with dual mono Schiit Aegir's I decided to contact Schiit to inquire about their stability dual mono into 4ohms and this is their short and sweet response: Daniel Katz (Schiit Audio) Oct 3, 2020, 20:47 PDT Hi Frank, We don't publish 4 ohms because we don't recommend running the Aegir's dual mono at 4 ohms. They might work just fine but they might also go into protection mode. They run stable at 8 ohms and may or may not do so at 4 ohms. Best, Daniel I guess that's that - they dont know(or dont want to say). FWS
@@RamonBrackett These are pretty efficient speakers and I assume you are a normal human and wouldnt get anywhere near the "noise" on those things before your ears blew out but they have enough juice to broil a tweeter no doubt. Again WAY over kill but for the money I guess they are in play if you just want an excuse to own a pair(I would). Plenty of choices - LTA, Modwright - maybe a nice set of Dan's sweet and sexy Ambrose A30 tube mono blocks??? Ohh I just thought - I'm sure he would do a pair in matching wood too.....or the KWH 225I Hybrid Integrated? 400wpc SS power into 4ohms with tube preamp circuit - lots of options.
Since you're comparing the M3 Sapphires to other speakers: how do they compare to the Magnepan 1.7i's? I have a feeling the bass is more full with the Sapphires, but, are the detail and soundstage better with the Sapphires?
I can tell you the Oticas are. I have 1.7i and heard the Oticas in Texas at Danny's place. Its significant. Danny is putting together a kit to help clean up the Maggie's for me. They dont measure well.
@@ufarkingicehole I hope this comment finds you. I too have Maggie 1.7i and am thinking about maybe getting the Oticas. Looking back on your time hearing them verses your upgraded Maggies, would you say the Oticas outclass the Maggies by quite a bit? Thanks!
@@flashhog01 hello! So I misspoke. I heard the extremes and they did outclass the Maggie's. The Otica is supposed to be voiced the same as the extreme. The Maggie's image really well when set up correctly and with the right equipment to drive them. I had Danny design me a crossover for them and they sound worse. This could be user error.... what equipment do you have driving them? Biggest thing Maggie's lack is dynamics
@@ufarkingicehole Thanks for your reply! I am sorry to hear your Maggies did not improve. Currently I'm using a McIntosh MC275 tube amp which sounds great but doesn't have to power to really drive the 1.7i. I am trying to decide which way to go, keep the amp and get easier to drive speakers or keep the Maggies and get a more beefy amp. My most important concern is the imaging and texture, the lack of deep bass with the Maggies doesn't bother me. Also, you stated that you visited Danny, did he seem pretty open to having people drop by and getting a demo? Thanks!
@@flashhog01 Mr Danny is a really nice guy. I would give him a call and im sure you can sample his speakers. When I bought the Maggie's I heard them with a Rouge Audio Magnus 3 amp. Sound was pretty impressive!!
It may be that the perceived quicker bass you hear on the Sapphires is because they simply don't play as low as the NX's, so you're simply hearing notes on the NX's that aren't being reproduced on the Sapphires. I'd put good money on it, actually.
Is this type of setup only good for listening in one specific place in the room? What if you entertain a group of people like a party, will this still be great?
Hey Ron, I know you are a tube guy and I understand where you are coming from, but I think the question needs to be asked and tested, do we really NEED tubes in the power stage to get that holographic sound stage, midrange and top end sparkle from say the Sapphires? My theory, and what I am actually doing with my system is that a really great tube pre-amp paired with a completely clean, neutral and transparent Class D power amp is the best of both worlds. I think you can have your cake and eat it too with that combo. For example say a PrimaLuna pre-amp paired with a NAD C298 power amp you will get 99% of the tube sound without any of the loss of bass punch and clarity that you sometimes get with tube power amps. You are currently testing the NAD M33 and while this is the ideal one and done solution and the Eigentakt modules are completely transparent - as in you won’t even hear them in the signal chain - all you will hear are your other components and speakers. You should try pairing the M33 with a tube preamp and an external DAC/streamer and see what you get with that and compare that with a full tube pre/power stack. My bet is that the tube preamp with the class D power amp will give you everything you want in the tube sound without any of the lack of power or punch that tube power amps sometimes lack. (That’s my theory. Prove me wrong.)
Ron, might it be that the Sapphires bass sounds quicker due to the GR Research Subs going lower in frequency? For not going as low in frequency would definitely have that effect (sounding quicker given all else being equal). Although that said, you may have tested this with program material which simply remained 100% above 30 hz. Also, do the plate amps offer any Q adjustment? And if yes, might that need more fine tune adjustment? And lastly, you would have had to place the GR Research Subs to the sides of the Oticas and therefore the Subs in each setup were not placed in the very same location which may also played into their overall sound. OK, well just a few thoughts which come to mind. This was so very much the Review / Comparison that I (I'm sure many) wanted. Thank you so very much!!!
@@carlosoliveira-rc2xt The Sapphires only sounding quicker due to the GR's being asked to play much lower in frequency and having been set to the lowest Q setting. So pretty much all of it.
Ron, I just wanted to make some constructive criticism if I may, I know most/all comments are positive, not to step on toes, but my own honest evaluation of the evaluator.... 1) I did not care for the cutting on the Spatial review (not this one). It has a non stop, almost stream of consciousness flow that at some point becomes TMI. I know you have a lot of information to share, but I'd rather see it in segments and in a more relaxed way with some actual pauses in between. 2) A lot of what you talk about is technical, which is fine and I understand most of what you talk about (and I own the M3Turbos) and I'm in the minority of wanting simplicity. You did a good job of describing the differences of the two speakers, but as more of a layperson, I could care less about graphs and how flat a speaker is. For me, mention cost, if they are giant killers, what giants are you referring to? 3) Perhaps a simpler (if possible) explanation of how OB speakers differ from other speakers. 4) Perhaps a chart, similar to what Enjoy the Music does, such as sub-bass, bass, mids, highs, imaging, dynamics, etc., like a side by side chart with the other speakesr when doing comparisons. I guess overall, what I'm asking for is simplicity, or even two reviews, one overview, and one for technical specifics--there was another YT video where they were comparing speaker cables and it was long, and to me, boring. I just wanted them to say here are the scores given from our panel, and it was just too long! I ended up fast forwarding to the end. Anyway, I love your energy and honest, straightforward reviews, just my two cents on the content. Thanks for listening!
That’s a good question and it’s hard to say for sure! One thing Danny reminded me is that the plate amps do have controls for changing the damping which can make them quicker or slower... I’ll need to mess with mine and see for sure.
Hey Ron , I am debating buying one of these 2 models you are comparing and the NXtremes too. One thing swaying me to gr research is them being narrower . Having owned panel speakers for the last ten years I think I'm missing all the soundstage directly behind the speakers as they are blocking the view . What do you think ?
The large - custom response and characteristics - drivers are designed to compensate the volume lost by the side cancellation. There are a lot of characteristics you can tweak in a driver electro-mechanical parameters to achieve better open baffle use, also they are two 15".
I wish I had the luxury of space, to take full advantage, I may go the DIY route just to give it a shot and see what the fuss is about. Have you heard the W frame design of the direct servo subs, I was considering building those, but I have heard very little about them, everyone tends to go for the H frame.
I had the same question before building them. Many seem to prefer the H frame with all the subs facing the same way. There are various threads on the GR Research circle in AudioCircle that cover this. I went with two triple OB cabs with all of the subs facing forward.
As for the room size issue and whether they will disappear in a smaller room? I own the white standard pair of M3's that Clayton demoed at the 2015 Newport/Irvine The Show. My room is 12x16, with the M3's coming out from the short wall, halfway out into the room. To my ear, they really disappear. As to whether the Sapphires would, is something I'm awfully tempted to find out.
How does the size of the “sweet spot” compare between the two speakers? Danny uses phase plugs on the midband drivers while Clayton uses a small dome in the midband. A comparison and analysis of these varying approaches would be interesting.
Great work thank you. I'm wondering how the sapphires would compare to other speakers represented by others as "disruptive" speakers such as the Cube Nenuphars and Alta Alec?
Imaging and soundstage comparison? Which images better and has deeper - wider soundstage? Which is easier to place in the room given you had the ample space for the Oticcas?
Just a thought: The Otica's with O.B. subwoofers go down to 18'hz (wasn't it?) & the Sapphire's woofers go down to around 30'ish, or was it 35'hz (or near) Could it be that the deeper frequencies... (or maybe more likely, it's the lower level & much lower in frequency "secondary harmonics' from the O.B. woofer's fundamental bass note) ...are energising your room with much longer wavelengths of frequency than the Saphires are capable of reproducing, but the O.B. woofers are, & that lower hz resonating of the "air-spring" that is your whole room's air mass, diffused or not, would take a slightly longer time to audibly die off, milliseconds perhaps but it could be enough togive an illusion that the bass is slower than the Saphires bass. As all sounds have harmonics at in both up & down directions & it may have a play on whole mass of your living room's air-spring resonstion to die off at that lower level longer wavelength harmonics from higher bass notes, (i say "harmonics of" in bass, as i can only think of Wutttenberg Cadhedral's tallest organ pipes of (64 &/or 128'ft who's major note dips to 16/18'hz at zero db dowm. Pure theory but feasable i reckon. P.S. I don't listen to Kate Perry but the name easily springs to mind when thinking about any music being less than perfect, on any level
GR price comparison to Spacial Audio and a good choice for Hard rock music Rush , Zeppelin ect and which is more forgiving say closer to sides and rear walls
Thanks! Great video. * So you have a 50 hz peak with your speakers in your room (everybodys room has "issues" so it that is a normal) * The real and foremost benefit of the amplifier were DIRAC = fixing the room 50 hz peek in your room So the conclusion is that ANY other amplifiers will not do that even if you like Ron has a dedicated room with treatment setup with LOTS and and so on still will has normal room issues. To take the listening experience a giant leap forward is to fix your room with or without DIRAC. No way to get around it we could switch amplifiers your hole life long and put them in the same poor room (if you have not measured your room you do not know you only THINK your room "sounds fine") you will NEVER elevate your listening experience.
Just a heads up and recomendation but 30 min of just YOU, it's a bit much? Maybe some edits showing how clean the quality of workmanship is on each speaker? Showing them in a room, showing just anything other than you talking for 30 min straight.
Have you ever heard these with a Lyngdorf amplifier with Roomperfect? RP is very much designed to work with the Lyngdorf $400,000 Model D DiPole/Open Baffle speakers, as well as their more "budget" speakers Model B and O systems that go down to $40,000. However, something like the Sapphires + Lyngdorf TDAI1120 gives you superb Dipole speakers and the same Roomperfect correction for
Hey New Record Day, big fan here, love what you do. Could you please do a video on the Tekton Ulfberht?? There is a lot of buzz right now about them and I want a professional, unbiased opinion. I'm currently druling over this company because of what I've heard but I would love it if you solidified that. Consider this an audiofile SOS
Ron, nice informative and inspiring review. Have you had the opportunity to listen to the Sapphires paired to the Yamaha A-S2200 ? Would it be a good match ? Thanks again.
A question that I didn't see Asked or Answered... (and Sorry if I offend anyone) - Ron, which speaker can outright play louder! (from 60hz - 20khz) and therefore isn't only very dynamic, but also dynamic in that it can play at very high levels with very low distortion. Thank you... an absolute incredible Review / Comparison!!! -OR- Do both speakers have no problem with reaching Peak SPLs of 110 dB at 9 ft? (so continuous 90 dB with 20 dB dynamics)
I can't help but wonder why Danny doesn't just hire some people to assemble and ship speakers. The overhead of this would be easily more than covered by the increased revenue that this would bring. There is a vast number of people who would be inclined to buy his speakers fully assembled who don't want to fiddle with a non-trivial DIY project. I just don't get his business model.
No Ron - I don't get the idea! What exactly were you trying to suggest about Katy Perry and 'Top 40 Hits?' You stated that you "don't listen to Katy Perry," but you shook your head regardless - implying you knew her recordings were problematic! Please explain?
Great review Ron, Thanks for posting. With all things being said and I know it's all subjective to the actual person reviewing and room. I would love to get your take (if you had to rank), your set up Schitt, NAD, Marantz, & Spatial rig with the Sapphire M3's? Again great job.
Here is the question you avoided: why build the Otica? Once you add the cost of a pair of subs, these speakers cost about the same amount of money. So why would anyone spend weeks putting the Oticas together when I can get a finished speaker for the same money with none of the time spent building/painting/finishing the Oticas???
So you have spent quality time with this rig and know that? Reason I ask is that has not been my experience. I’ve heard this particular rig keep up and beat many speakers up to 15k.
@@Newrecordday2013 You are missing my point. I’m only talking about the Sapphires versus the Oticas which was the subject of YOUR review. I expect DIY speakers in a good kit to compare to speakers 2-3x the cost of the DIY speaker. However, your review of the Sapphires calls into question the value of building a DIY speaker unless you just like to build speakers or want the ability to finish the speaker to your taste. That is all I was trying to say.
I listened to the X4s at Axpona and I was a little disappointed. I think it was the room, I'd really love a second shot at them in a decent room. Also, it's okay to talk about Katy Perry, she's amazing.
@@Newrecordday2013 Big soundstage, great imaging. Bass was anemic, which very well could have been the room. Diana Krall's voice (the Book of Love) sounded unnatural to me. Perhaps it was beaming, but like she was singing through a bullhorn (exaggeration, but you get the gist).
I'm curious how these would compare to megabuck speakers like Magico, Rockport, Wilson, etc. I have Spatials so I know how good they are, but do these smoke megabuck box speakers?
Comparos and potential differences; Clayton and Danny deal with boxy cabinet colorations by eliminating the cabinet. However, ... Wilson, Rockport, and Magico deal with colorations imparted by the cabinet in their own brute force ... yet uniquely effective ways. There are other wave-launch related cabinet metrics that could audibly impact the presentation. Baffle diffraction, and perhaps baffle modulation of drive units. The latter being oftentimes touted as a significant advantageous factors of the über massive, über expensive Rockport, YG, Wilson, Magico, etc. (and those are only the US based übers). Also, many would include ultimate dynamic capabilities and raw SPL while maintaining composure via low compression, low distortion levels. Throwing a detailed fully dimensional soundstage is great, but a big fff crescendo can shrink a wonderful soundstage down to nothing. Is that a concern with the Sapphires/Oticas in normal, modestly sized rooms? Having not experienced either one, I have no idea. Maybe they'd pass with flying colors. Right or wrong, as a FOH engineer, 𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘱𝘰𝘴𝘦𝘥 realistic (loud) playback levels at home is certainly on my want list for loudspeakers. Myself, I'm seriously contemplating buying/building a set of NX-Tremes. ---------------- Ron, again good work 👏.
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First of all let me start off by giving Ron all the credit for my speaker decisions. Ron was kind enough to spend some time with me four months ago. Everything he covers in this video is absolutely true. After speaking with Ron, I bought both the M3 Sapphires and the NX studios. For me, it was a lifestyle choice. My room is 25x20 ft. I knew that I would have to pull the speakers into the middle of the room and away from the walls in order to get them to disappear. There was no way I could leave the speakers out there when I was not listening to music. I made the decision to go with the Sapphires because it was easier to bring out rather than dealing with the NX Oticas and servo subs. I still wanted to enjoy the NX studios in my office so I purchased those as well. I know there were some comments that the Sapphires did not disappear while listening to them by certain people. I can tell you if you bring them out away from the wall 5-6 foot and have them 8 ft apart they will sound unbelievable. I have them teamed up with the new NAD M33. Ron was right on target with the NX studios upper end. I do hear a little bit more shimmer in them as well. The NX studios are superb monitors and I highly recommend them also. The sapphires are just unbelievable with the bass, They hit hard. I have a SVS PB 4000 subwoofer and I have no desire to turn it on while listening to the Sapphires. I was so happy with Ron helping me out I decided to sign up on his patreon account. Ron's the real deal.
Ron is a standup guy.
Mr flimflam fremdippity danyet
Mike “(OCD variety)” isn’t just trying simply to sell products. His passion for HiFi runs very deep, but he’s also a very kind and helpful person. Maybe if you just tried talking to him, you’d see that he’s not some kinda pushy salesman. He’s got stuff for sale, but is also very forthcoming about that, and I’m glad to call him a friend. I’ll leave it at that.
I just wish i could afford both sets..
I cant even afford one of the two sets here...
It's just a question of fantastic sound, or devorce!
It's a great shame with a retired bloke like me on a mega pension, will miss out
on what I yearn for...
Enjoy your system, you dirty rotten LUCKY bastard...
Frank... UK...
Mr flimflam fremdippity danyet
I see you deleted what you said regarding the so-called “OCD variety” to erase your tracks. If you disagree, why don’t you stand by and back up your words?
All of these guys like Ron, Sean, Jay, Steve G., Thomas, Mike, etc., etc. that are putting up vids and reviews for the HiFi community are obviously very passionate about what they do, and you can learn from each and everyone of them. This entire situation is very unlike me, because I don’t like arguing with anyone. This is a community, and we need to stick together and help and support one another regardless of where they are on their HiFi journey. That includes being honest and respectful of one another.
@@NickP333 I actually thought about it afterwards and realized Ron probably wouldn't appreciate bickering on his posting about audio so that's that. I know people who have had not so great experience dealing with the prementioned person. The guy does sell products and pushes them on his page. God Bless him!. That's as far as I'm going. Ron is a different breed and I appreciate his integrity.
Ron, I am late to this one. I missed it when it was first released. I was just sorting through some oldies and found this one. IT IS YOUR BEST! fantastic analysis. You did a great job explaining the pros and cons and reading the comments, you got people talking. Well done sir.
Thanks Scott! Really appreciate it!
Sapphires might be the speakers from the future but man, you right there are the one of the biggest audio reviewers/coaches of the future!! You make sense man and I respect your sensibilities. Kudos from India!! Cheers.
What a kind thing to say! Thanks!
from the future? they are clearly from the past 1980, what are you talking dude?
I'm not an audiophile, and probably won't buy this type of gear anytime soon, but I really appreciate the sincerity and expert commentary you deliver in the review.. Very well done Sir!
i hope you eventually change your opening phrase...
Man, you’re the most ethically true and direct reviewer on RUclips. Phenomenal review! Respect
I own an original pair of the M3’s that Clayton produced a few years ago. Heard them at the RMAF show and for the money could not find another speaker that could compete. I met Clayton at the time he was showing them off and was so impressed with him as a designer and a genuinely nice individual I decided to buy the speakers. I do intend to eventually upgrade because mine lack high end, which Clayton has corrected with these new M fives. That said, an audiophile friend of mine was over for dinner and was absolutely blown away by the sound of the M3’s. There is no question the open baffle design produces a fantastically musical effect. I think you’re spot on with regard to how you describe the sound of Clayton’s speakers. They lean in the direction of making music more pleasant to listen to. That’s not a bad thing.
Ron, you’re an excellent reviewer … this is a great explanation of differences that leave for us to consider our preferences. I have Nola Champ S3’s, as my entry point to open baffle, but I’m interested in trying GR, Spatial, Linkwitz, etc. open baffle implementations.
Hey thanks!
You totally need to compare them with the Pure Audio Project speakers now, especially the Voxativ drivers
I would love to hear that comparison. I heard the Voxativ Ampeggio speaker and it was the best sounding speaker I heard at Axpona about 7 years ago.
Ok M3/X5/PAP Comparison video
Thanks for all the recent info on open baffle designs. Being in Europe I'm now really interested in how the Pure Audio Trio15 Classics might compare to the M3 Sapphires.
The woofers look identical, but otherwise the only other similarity seems to be an open wide baffle design.
Thanks for posting this Ron. It's interesting that you find the bass on the Sapphires quicker than the GR subs. I wonder how the powered subs of the X series would compare. Talk Clayton into lending you a set for review!
Ok, quite a few are asking about the X series. We can probably make that happen.
@@Newrecordday2013 you have to do it!!
Danny called them budget kings. Roughly $500... I woold like to know how they compare to $1500 elacs, kef R3, Magnepan 1.7i, etc... do they actually compete with higher priced gear? Also... do the upgrades make much of a difference? As in is it a little bit, night and day, or non. Does it need a sub to get a good full range?
Agreed would like to see the X series comparison
@@Newrecordday2013 I'd also be very interested in an X/M comparison.
Ron
I asked this on the previous video but thought I would jump it to here.
Any chance you would do a M3 Sapphire vs. X5 comparison? I think you are the guy to do it.
The X5 is 8ohm 97db vs Sapphire 4ohm 92db.
Thanks
FWS
Thank you, that review is exactly what I am looking for - as my wife told, we do not need "hyper realism" /how they open lips, saliva in mouth/. Just music.
Thanks for such an honest review. Another winner. Glad we have you doing what you do best.
Awesome reviews and comparisons! Thanks
Great video Ron, thanks! I totally agree, open baffle rules! After getting a pair of Maggies I cannot go back to box speakers.
Ron, after Danny responded to your bass comparison between the sapphires and oticas, did you adjust the setting on your gr subs? Did this change your opinion?
No words to say..just 👍👍👍👍👍❤
Great Job Ron, in my room that's 11.5ftx13.5 ft, what do you recommend the little brother M5 or the M3. What's the difference between both models w/ regards to room sizing and sound. And FYI I use a single aegir right now. Great review Ron. Spot On
I heard these at the Capital Audio Fest, and I really love your review, but now I have to ask should I now be looking at the X3 or the X5, and also do have any plans too review either of those? Also, have you heard the Pure Audio Project? Thanks for all you do, and Keep Up the Great work. Also, when is the review for the NAD M33 coming?
In was just talking to Clayton about that. You guys want to see an X series review?
@@Newrecordday2013 DUH!!! YES PLEASE!! I mean seriously, we waited 4 months for this review...lol! So yes bring on the X series, and the Pure Audio Project, and let's have an Open Baffle love fest, and thank you again!!
New Record Day Yes!
@@Newrecordday2013 Yes Yes Yes !!! (Daniel Bryan Style) .... The X5 are relatively close to the Sapphire M3 in terms of pricing, a comparison between them would be great. Thank you so much for these reviews :) :)
@@Newrecordday2013 would love to see this. It would also be very helpful as this is likely my decision point
I really wish one of these performed well close to a back wall, because the way you describe them makes me want to buy them.
Great Video as always Ron! I would really love an in depth review of the NX Studios. I know you touched on them a little bit in another video but a dedicated video with comparisons with „real world“ bookshelfs would be a dream! Cheers
Great introduction to the NX review. An interesting comparison would be with hi res symphonic music. There the lower foundation of the servo subs and the planar dipole tweeter on strings may take it home. Or at least that's what I'd like to understand at this point of my hifi journey, I currently own the old M3 turbo S, best speaker I had by far, incredible with jazz and well recorder rock - but classical music still seems to be missing something.
I could never have either of these in my living room/media room. Great for people who can afford a dedicated listening room.
I've mentioned this before; but Schiit explicitly say that the Aegir isn't recommended for 4 ohm loads. To quote from my email with them:
> We don't recommend running Aegirs at 4ohms. The vidar really is a better choice here.
Thanks for sharing this. Was this a response when asking specifically with the sapphires?
Ron, as much as I love my Volti Audio Aluras, you have convinced me to purchase a pair of Sapphires. I have enjoyed your reviews since you started your channel, but the level you are achieving in the last year is darned cool. I have wanted to purchase an OB speaker, and I have, won't say whose product because they don't 'do it' whatsoever. It seems Spatial may be the real game changer in the OB category. Thanks for your truth. :)
Keep me posted Dale! You will love them!
Can you comment on the differences between NX-Otica and NX-Treme.
Thanks Ron E Day ! 😃
Great vid as usual. I wonder if the quickness in the sapphire’s base vs Otica’s/sub combo is because they don’t go as deep...so it’s perceived quickness.
Goodpoint ron. We have been using hiend processors and even with ones that dont affect phase shift still sound compressed. Everytime you use time alignment ot affects openess of sound
How does the soundstage compare between the two speakers?
Hi Ron,
After watching this video and since I am considering the M3 Saphire's with dual mono Schiit Aegir's I decided to contact Schiit to inquire about their stability dual mono into 4ohms and this is their short and sweet response:
Daniel Katz (Schiit Audio)
Oct 3, 2020, 20:47 PDT
Hi Frank,
We don't publish 4 ohms because we don't recommend running the Aegir's dual mono at 4 ohms. They might work just fine but they might also go into protection mode. They run stable at 8 ohms and may or may not do so at 4 ohms.
Best,
Daniel
I guess that's that - they dont know(or dont want to say).
FWS
Thanks for checking with them!
What about the Emotiva XPA HC-1 monoblock?
@@RamonBrackett Those would work and same money. A bit over kill for music - Be careful though - 600watts!
@@5FWS5 thats what i would worry about melting $3000 speakers! but should be more stable than the Aegir i would think
@@RamonBrackett These are pretty efficient speakers and I assume you are a normal human and wouldnt get anywhere near the "noise" on those things before your ears blew out but they have enough juice to broil a tweeter no doubt. Again WAY over kill but for the money I guess they are in play if you just want an excuse to own a pair(I would). Plenty of choices - LTA, Modwright - maybe a nice set of Dan's sweet and sexy Ambrose A30 tube mono blocks??? Ohh I just thought - I'm sure he would do a pair in matching wood too.....or the KWH 225I Hybrid Integrated? 400wpc SS power into 4ohms with tube preamp circuit - lots of options.
Thanks, pairings are good.
Since you're comparing the M3 Sapphires to other speakers: how do they compare to the Magnepan 1.7i's? I have a feeling the bass is more full with the Sapphires, but, are the detail and soundstage better with the Sapphires?
I can tell you the Oticas are. I have 1.7i and heard the Oticas in Texas at Danny's place. Its significant. Danny is putting together a kit to help clean up the Maggie's for me. They dont measure well.
@@ufarkingicehole I hope this comment finds you. I too have Maggie 1.7i and am thinking about maybe getting the Oticas. Looking back on your time hearing them verses your upgraded Maggies, would you say the Oticas outclass the Maggies by quite a bit? Thanks!
@@flashhog01 hello! So I misspoke. I heard the extremes and they did outclass the Maggie's. The Otica is supposed to be voiced the same as the extreme. The Maggie's image really well when set up correctly and with the right equipment to drive them. I had Danny design me a crossover for them and they sound worse. This could be user error.... what equipment do you have driving them?
Biggest thing Maggie's lack is dynamics
@@ufarkingicehole Thanks for your reply! I am sorry to hear your Maggies did not improve. Currently I'm using a McIntosh MC275 tube amp which sounds great but doesn't have to power to really drive the 1.7i. I am trying to decide which way to go, keep the amp and get easier to drive speakers or keep the Maggies and get a more beefy amp. My most important concern is the imaging and texture, the lack of deep bass with the Maggies doesn't bother me.
Also, you stated that you visited Danny, did he seem pretty open to having people drop by and getting a demo? Thanks!
@@flashhog01 Mr Danny is a really nice guy. I would give him a call and im sure you can sample his speakers. When I bought the Maggie's I heard them with a Rouge Audio Magnus 3 amp. Sound was pretty impressive!!
Good review and how do you compare them to Wilson Audio speakers?
Bravo . . .
Speakers so awesome (M3) they've been discontinued already. Were they over-sold and under delivered?
Yup, and now their most "affordable" speaker is almost $8K.
I'm out.
It may be that the perceived quicker bass you hear on the Sapphires is because they simply don't play as low as the NX's, so you're simply hearing notes on the NX's that aren't being reproduced on the Sapphires. I'd put good money on it, actually.
SUPER review!!! Really enjoyed it!
Ron, Do you think the Kinki Studio Integrated would pair well with the Sapphires? Looking at the M4 since my room is not huge. Thank you
Is this type of setup only good for listening in one specific place in the room? What if you entertain a group of people like a party, will this still be great?
Great job. But.. Soundstage?
Now you are just messing with me!
@@Newrecordday2013 Did I miss the soundstage part, sorry. I caught the Spatial's disappearing, but not soundstage, although I did skip some sections.
Hey Ron, I know you are a tube guy and I understand where you are coming from, but I think the question needs to be asked and tested, do we really NEED tubes in the power stage to get that holographic sound stage, midrange and top end sparkle from say the Sapphires? My theory, and what I am actually doing with my system is that a really great tube pre-amp paired with a completely clean, neutral and transparent Class D power amp is the best of both worlds. I think you can have your cake and eat it too with that combo. For example say a PrimaLuna pre-amp paired with a NAD C298 power amp you will get 99% of the tube sound without any of the loss of bass punch and clarity that you sometimes get with tube power amps. You are currently testing the NAD M33 and while this is the ideal one and done solution and the Eigentakt modules are completely transparent - as in you won’t even hear them in the signal chain - all you will hear are your other components and speakers. You should try pairing the M33 with a tube preamp and an external DAC/streamer and see what you get with that and compare that with a full tube pre/power stack. My bet is that the tube preamp with the class D power amp will give you everything you want in the tube sound without any of the lack of power or punch that tube power amps sometimes lack. (That’s my theory. Prove me wrong.)
I have dual REL t7x now. Do you think that they are quick enough to match these?
Great videos! A little creative criticism, I much prefer this authentic, direct approach to some of your more scripted (although entertaining) videos.
Ron, might it be that the Sapphires bass sounds quicker due to the GR Research Subs going lower in frequency? For not going as low in frequency would definitely have that effect (sounding quicker given all else being equal). Although that said, you may have tested this with program material which simply remained 100% above 30 hz. Also, do the plate amps offer any Q adjustment? And if yes, might that need more fine tune adjustment? And lastly, you would have had to place the GR Research Subs to the sides of the Oticas and therefore the Subs in each setup were not placed in the very same location which may also played into their overall sound. OK, well just a few thoughts which come to mind. This was so very much the Review / Comparison that I (I'm sure many) wanted. Thank you so very much!!!
Or they just sound quicker.
@@carlosoliveira-rc2xt Yet another possible explanation, True :)
@@carlosoliveira-rc2xt Hmmm, it appears that I was in fact correct :)
@@johndaddabbo9383 Which part?
@@carlosoliveira-rc2xt The Sapphires only sounding quicker due to the GR's being asked to play much lower in frequency and having been set to the lowest Q setting. So pretty much all of it.
What baffles me is that we don't have many more open baffle speakers to choose from in the sub $1000 range.
Yes, they're almost always "me too" box speakers when they're under $1,000.
Ron, I just wanted to make some constructive criticism if I may, I know most/all comments are positive, not to step on toes, but my own honest evaluation of the evaluator....
1) I did not care for the cutting on the Spatial review (not this one). It has a non stop, almost stream of consciousness flow that at some point becomes TMI. I know you have a lot of information to share, but I'd rather see it in segments and in a more relaxed way with some actual pauses in between. 2) A lot of what you talk about is technical, which is fine and I understand most of what you talk about (and I own the M3Turbos) and I'm in the minority of wanting simplicity. You did a good job of describing the differences of the two speakers, but as more of a layperson, I could care less about graphs and how flat a speaker is. For me, mention cost, if they are giant killers, what giants are you referring to? 3) Perhaps a simpler (if possible) explanation of how OB speakers differ from other speakers. 4) Perhaps a chart, similar to what Enjoy the Music does, such as sub-bass, bass, mids, highs, imaging, dynamics, etc., like a side by side chart with the other speakesr when doing comparisons.
I guess overall, what I'm asking for is simplicity, or even two reviews, one overview, and one for technical specifics--there was another YT video where they were comparing speaker cables and it was long, and to me, boring. I just wanted them to say here are the scores given from our panel, and it was just too long! I ended up fast forwarding to the end.
Anyway, I love your energy and honest, straightforward reviews, just my two cents on the content. Thanks for listening!
It might be that the sapphires bass sound quicker is due to that the GR subs are going lower in frequencies
That’s a good question and it’s hard to say for sure! One thing Danny reminded me is that the plate amps do have controls for changing the damping which can make them quicker or slower... I’ll need to mess with mine and see for sure.
@@Newrecordday2013 What setting adjusted the damping on the plate amp? The manual doesn’t do a great job of explaining the settings.
Hey Ron , I am debating buying one of these 2 models you are comparing and the NXtremes too. One thing swaying me to gr research is them being narrower . Having owned panel speakers for the last ten years I think I'm missing all the soundstage directly behind the speakers as they are blocking the view . What do you think ?
Thank you so much for this video Ron, really informative and very honest. Best regards from Argentina,
What about soundstage?
You diden't compare the soundstage?
PureAudioProject in-depth comparison pleeeaassee
Super interesting video. I want to ask which version of the Holo Audio May dac you are using. Hope it's not the KTE version (: toooo expensiv
Just ordered the KTE May 😊
Did you try the sapphires with the new Marantz model 30?
Yes and it’s a great combo!
please explain to us why the M3 do not neet Wings to seperates the front way from the back Wave to make Bass it makes no sense to me
The large - custom response and characteristics - drivers are designed to compensate the volume lost by the side cancellation. There are a lot of characteristics you can tweak in a driver electro-mechanical parameters to achieve better open baffle use, also they are two 15".
@@bernardstachman3507 Yes, Jamo did the same thing.
I wish I had the luxury of space, to take full advantage, I may go the DIY route just to give it a shot and see what the fuss is about. Have you heard the W frame design of the direct servo subs, I was considering building those, but I have heard very little about them, everyone tends to go for the H frame.
I had the same question before building them. Many seem to prefer the H frame with all the subs facing the same way. There are various threads on the GR Research circle in AudioCircle that cover this. I went with two triple OB cabs with all of the subs facing forward.
As for the room size issue and whether they will disappear in a smaller room? I own the white standard pair of M3's that Clayton demoed at the 2015 Newport/Irvine The Show. My room is 12x16, with the M3's coming out from the short wall, halfway out into the room. To my ear, they really disappear. As to whether the Sapphires would, is something I'm awfully tempted to find out.
Have you used parasound amps before on your equipment
I am looking at XLS ENCORE . I saw you mentioned Mike Lundy who can enhance a custom pair ..... how do I contact him?
How does the size of the “sweet spot” compare between the two speakers? Danny uses phase plugs on the midband drivers while Clayton uses a small dome in the midband. A comparison and analysis of these varying approaches would be interesting.
Hi again Ronn. Have you done comparison with Nx-otica vs Spatial Audio X5?
What youre hearing is the directivity of the larger woofer on the saphires
That was great Ron . A true heart to heart. Rock On ! ✌️
Open baffle speakers have been around for quite some time. apogee and magnpan just to name a few.
Did someone claim open baffle is new?
The Maggies are planar, so really a different technology than a dynamic driver.
Great work thank you. I'm wondering how the sapphires would compare to other speakers represented by others as "disruptive" speakers such as the Cube Nenuphars and Alta Alec?
Can either of them produce a great open baffle design for between $2000-$3000 for normal rooms and budgets?
Ron, have you heard the latest Linn systems with EXAKT and Space optimisation?
I would love to hear them I have Corwin Vega sl15
Imaging and soundstage comparison? Which images better and has deeper - wider soundstage? Which is easier to place in the room given you had the ample space for the Oticcas?
Sorry I had to bring it up, great review
Looks like the soundstage junkies are wondering.
How do they compare As you move about the room? Are either one of them "one spot wonders"?
Well both offer incredible off axis performance so I’d imagine in both situations, you are fine.
Would the Cary Audio SLI 100 be a good fit with the x5?
Are you saying you would pick the Sapphires over the Sabrinas?....if so, I may have to pick up a set
Yes, I would.
Just a thought: The Otica's with O.B. subwoofers go down to 18'hz (wasn't it?) & the Sapphire's woofers go down to around 30'ish, or was it 35'hz (or near)
Could it be that the deeper frequencies... (or maybe more likely, it's the lower level & much lower in frequency "secondary harmonics' from the O.B. woofer's fundamental bass note) ...are energising your room with much longer wavelengths of frequency than the Saphires are capable of reproducing, but the O.B. woofers are, & that lower hz resonating of the "air-spring" that is your whole room's air mass, diffused or not, would take a slightly longer time to audibly die off, milliseconds perhaps but it could be enough togive an illusion that the bass is slower than the Saphires bass. As all sounds have harmonics at in both up & down directions & it may have a play on whole mass of your living room's air-spring resonstion to die off at that lower level longer wavelength harmonics from higher bass notes, (i say "harmonics of" in bass, as i can only think of Wutttenberg Cadhedral's tallest organ pipes of (64 &/or 128'ft who's major note dips to 16/18'hz at zero db dowm. Pure theory but feasable i reckon.
P.S. I don't listen to Kate Perry but the name easily springs to mind when thinking about any music being less than perfect, on any level
GR price comparison to Spacial Audio and a good choice for Hard rock music Rush , Zeppelin ect and which is more forgiving say closer to sides and rear walls
Thanks! Great video.
* So you have a 50 hz peak with your speakers in your room (everybodys room has "issues" so it that is a normal)
* The real and foremost benefit of the amplifier were DIRAC = fixing the room 50 hz peek in your room
So the conclusion is that ANY other amplifiers will not do that even if you like Ron has a dedicated room with treatment setup with LOTS and and so on still will has normal room issues.
To take the listening experience a giant leap forward is to fix your room with or without DIRAC. No way to get around it we could switch amplifiers your hole life long and put them in the same poor room (if you have not measured your room you do not know you only THINK your room "sounds fine") you will NEVER elevate your listening experience.
Wow thanks for the bass state!
Thanks Optimize, appreciate your response!
Why do some speakers manufactures down play open baffle?
Just a heads up and recomendation but 30 min of just YOU, it's a bit much? Maybe some edits showing how clean the quality of workmanship is on each speaker? Showing them in a room, showing just anything other than you talking for 30 min straight.
How about x5 for rock n roll?
Have you ever heard these with a Lyngdorf amplifier with Roomperfect? RP is very much designed to work with the Lyngdorf $400,000 Model D DiPole/Open Baffle speakers, as well as their more "budget" speakers Model B and O systems that go down to $40,000.
However, something like the Sapphires + Lyngdorf TDAI1120 gives you superb Dipole speakers and the same Roomperfect correction for
Well, I took away do you want a messy room or not
Well done...
Would you take x5 over m3?
Nah, I love the sapphires
Do you have any recommendations of how we can dip our toe in the water here and see if open baffle is something we like shy of $5500?
Hey New Record Day, big fan here, love what you do. Could you please do a video on the Tekton Ulfberht?? There is a lot of buzz right now about them and I want a professional, unbiased opinion. I'm currently druling over this company because of what I've heard but I would love it if you solidified that. Consider this an audiofile SOS
Thanks for the honest report!
Good work, Ron, but way too many ad interruptions!!
Ron, nice informative and inspiring review. Have you had the opportunity to listen to the Sapphires paired to the Yamaha A-S2200 ? Would it be a good match ? Thanks again.
Absolutely!
A question that I didn't see Asked or Answered... (and Sorry if I offend anyone) - Ron, which speaker can outright play louder! (from 60hz - 20khz) and therefore isn't only very dynamic, but also dynamic in that it can play at very high levels with very low distortion. Thank you... an absolute incredible Review / Comparison!!! -OR- Do both speakers have no problem with reaching Peak SPLs of 110 dB at 9 ft? (so continuous 90 dB with 20 dB dynamics)
I can't help but wonder why Danny doesn't just hire some people to assemble and ship speakers. The overhead of this would be easily more than covered by the increased revenue that this would bring. There is a vast number of people who would be inclined to buy his speakers fully assembled who don't want to fiddle with a non-trivial DIY project. I just don't get his business model.
No Ron - I don't get the idea! What exactly were you trying to suggest about Katy Perry and 'Top 40 Hits?' You stated that you "don't listen to Katy Perry," but you shook your head regardless - implying you knew her recordings were problematic! Please explain?
Great review Ron, Thanks for posting. With all things being said and I know it's all subjective to the actual person reviewing and room. I would love to get your take (if you had to rank), your set up Schitt, NAD, Marantz, & Spatial rig with the Sapphire M3's? Again great job.
review the yamaha ns 5000s... very few reviews out there... you could be the first american reviewer!
Here is the question you avoided: why build the Otica? Once you add the cost of a pair of subs, these speakers cost about the same amount of money. So why would anyone spend weeks putting the Oticas together when I can get a finished speaker for the same money with none of the time spent building/painting/finishing the Oticas???
Easy - the pride of doing it yourself! Lots of people enjoy making things.
@@Newrecordday2013
I get that, but usually after all that work you end up with a product that cannot be touched for the money. Here, not so much.
So you have spent quality time with this rig and know that? Reason I ask is that has not been my experience. I’ve heard this particular rig keep up and beat many speakers up to 15k.
@@Newrecordday2013 You are missing my point. I’m only talking about the Sapphires versus the Oticas which was the subject of YOUR review. I expect DIY speakers in a good kit to compare to speakers 2-3x the cost of the DIY speaker. However, your review of the Sapphires calls into question the value of building a DIY speaker unless you just like to build speakers or want the ability to finish the speaker to your taste. That is all I was trying to say.
Okay, thanks for the comment.
Ron would be great if u can audition a Lx521 and compare with Spatial and GR research
I listened to the X4s at Axpona and I was a little disappointed. I think it was the room, I'd really love a second shot at them in a decent room. Also, it's okay to talk about Katy Perry, she's amazing.
What did you find disappointing?
@@Newrecordday2013 Big soundstage, great imaging. Bass was anemic, which very well could have been the room. Diana Krall's voice (the Book of Love) sounded unnatural to me. Perhaps it was beaming, but like she was singing through a bullhorn (exaggeration, but you get the gist).
You forgot to mention the bass. Only kidding hahaha.
Wonder how they would compare being driven by Schiit Ragnarok 2 fully loaded?
Ha! I’ll bet they would pair well with Rag!
@@Newrecordday2013 I mean, it's only 60W into 8 ohms class AB, would that be enough to power them adequately?
Absolutely!
Ron can you work on the algorithm or something, 9 adds is terrible. Really distracting from your content that I enjoy.
Dang, 9 ads?
New Record Day
yep
I'm curious how these would compare to megabuck speakers like Magico, Rockport, Wilson, etc. I have Spatials so I know how good they are, but do these smoke megabuck box speakers?
Comparos and potential differences;
Clayton and Danny deal with boxy cabinet colorations by eliminating the cabinet.
However, ... Wilson, Rockport, and Magico deal with colorations imparted by the cabinet in their own brute force ... yet uniquely effective ways.
There are other wave-launch related cabinet metrics that could audibly impact the presentation. Baffle diffraction, and perhaps baffle modulation of drive units. The latter being oftentimes touted as a significant advantageous factors of the über massive, über expensive Rockport, YG, Wilson, Magico, etc. (and those are only the US based übers).
Also, many would include ultimate dynamic capabilities and raw SPL while maintaining composure via low compression, low distortion levels.
Throwing a detailed fully dimensional soundstage is great, but a big fff crescendo can shrink a wonderful soundstage down to nothing.
Is that a concern with the Sapphires/Oticas in normal, modestly sized rooms? Having not experienced either one, I have no idea. Maybe they'd pass with flying colors.
Right or wrong, as a FOH engineer, 𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘱𝘰𝘴𝘦𝘥 realistic (loud) playback levels at home is certainly on my want list for loudspeakers.
Myself, I'm seriously contemplating buying/building a set of NX-Tremes.
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Ron, again good work 👏.
Sooooo I just ended up wanting them both...
I’m in the same boat.
When it comes to open baffle.Your room is the cabinet.
not really, in any cabinet there is only one wave from the woofers, in a room there two waves except from sealed cabinets.