Hey Danny. Thank you for your underserving praise in this video. I do apologize for my initial heated response in the comments - really showed my age there. I do get very passionate at times. I believe there are many others more qualified to review your product on this platform but I am excited with my decision to buy the encores and happy that Frederick did a wonderful job on them. Can't wait to take them for a spin, measure them at the NRC and do some blind tests !
Looking forward to your head to head thoughts on CSS Criton 1TDX -vs- X-LS Encore. Then does either surpass your Sonus Faber Electa Amator III. Amazing level these kit speakers have achieved. For a fraction of the price. Danny well representing us bang for the buck guy's. Time for a trip to Texas, Jay. Just did a pair of the 8TC cable kit...(in my Rig) Soundstage was always well defined, now it has expanded and is now as large as the 96 inch screen the system flank's. These cables opened everything up...now the soundstage extends beyond the speakers...just magical. Sincere TY to Danny for definitely leveling up my system, for what $220.00. Officially on my Christmas list. Going to let them burn it for a hundred hours or so then I'll do a more detailed review for Danny's site. Musical cues (reflections from parts of the room I have never heard before) Just outstanding. Learn everything you can from him. I'm going to. Take care Jay.
Don't forget before reviewing them: _"Copper foil caps need 400 hours of burn-in, the rest of the parts 200h, and the cable 200 hours"_ It is absolutely paramount !
I received my XLS Encore kit yesterday. Thank you very much Danny. I am one who ordered in November 2021. The Tigerwood cabinets have been ready and waiting. I'll get the crossovers built, mount the drivers, and start the break in process. I ordered all the upgrades so I am excited to hear the results. I appreciate you sticking to your guns and going the extra mile to ensure we hear the Encores the way they are intended to be heard. I have listened to Jay's channel numerous times and enjoy his feedback on various components. It will be interesting to see what Jay has to say about the Encores. Obviously it won't influence my opinion on the Encores but interesting none the less.
This is awesome, the encore is still my favorite bookshelf I've had a year later, definitely can't wait for Jay's review of em, keep em comin and rollin good stuff out, glad you have an 8 inch driver to work with now, thats goin be interesting, maybe a.... "Super Encore" with a slightly bigger cabinet, can get to 28-32 flat hz or so? Maybe, maybe not, sounds like a good idea though.
I understand I was ahead of myself didn't check the date of Danny's video. I am excited like everyone 🤗 else at the results. Incidentally I have a pair waiting on me to finish (procrastination is a disease) anyway I will eat that 🐸
OH BRAVO! Progress! I'm not gonna lie, I was a little worried. Your parts problems actually drove me to buy four new speakers for my surround kit. And a new amp solved all the problems I had with my hoary old Cornwalls. Vastly improved system, but Loving Wife is unable to share my enthusiasm. She fails to understand... STILL lusting after your open baffle big guns, so there is hope yet... Excellent video, hope springs anew! You really are the man, I was distracted, a little, by others' misguided views of your gospel , but now I see I was right about you all along! Don't ever change, Danny! There is a very good market for my Cornwalls, so there is hope yet! Please carry on!
Outstanding news, Danny! I look forward to finally ordering a pair of bookshelves from you. Your Encores are my choice so far based on your videos, but with supply coming back now, maybe you'll have another bookshelf model you could recommend besides the Encores. I'm so excited for you finally getting back into proper operations after so much supply problems. We are eagerly awaiting your update videos. Cheers!🙂👍
Hold on a bit longer, I think he said they are looking at designing that new 8" woofer with their new tweeter (bookshelf) should be amazing. Do a cable kit while you wait. That's what I did.
Interesting... people 'talking' and good things coming of it. Who would of thought. (Well, if I'm not mistaken... that's exactly what Danny thought 😉...). So yeah, a Win-win for everyone involved... especially us the END User! So THANK YOU Jay, Ron, Frederick, Danny and anyone else who is Helping to make this happen. Lastly, man I cannot wait to see what new speakers Danny has in store. I personally am a HUGE fan of the MTM as I tend to listen a bit loud, so I'm very excited for the new 8" driver and all the larger (MTM, etc.) speakers to come!
Is cable risers really needed when my home got suspended wooden floors and no rugs or carpets? It shouldn't be any static electricity going on or induction from metal rebars.
Just hang them from the ceiling like a modern art piece, they'll sound 10x better because you can have them further from surfaces than almost any floor based riser!
@@RennieAsh Don't forget to hang the speakers too. Makes a world of a difference. All the interference-mumbo-jumbo coupling between the floor and the bottom of the speakers disappears too !
Since my 2-year-old demolished the tweaters on my GR Research Desktop Mini's (first diy kit, loved'em)... I'm eyeing the Encores; what's the lead time, should I order in the very near future?
Well that might be a good idea if I needed that kind of feedback. Unfortunately Amir has no idea what he is doing and his feedback is just going to be a hit job because I give him no credibility. What he is doing truly is a joke and a disservice to the audio community.
@@dannyrichie9743 I’m with you 100%, Danny, regarding Amir. Erin, OTH, does a great job with his Klippel, and delivers solid, even-handed reviews, which include extensive listening. Like you, he has an affable demeanor and offers very credible audio info.
@@bbfoto7248 Ha, he has no idea what he is doing. He doesn't know how to read the measurements he's taking either. And you don't need to hear that from the most qualified guru in the industry. Everybody that is anybody in the industry can tell you that. That whole site over there is the butt if industry jokes.
@@bbfoto7248 He doesn't do reviews. He really doesn't even have a decent listening room for listening to music. How accurate or to what level of accuracy a measurement system is capable of is not an issue. The most important factor is being able to read and understand the data and what is measured. This is where he has no idea what he is doing. No company out there is ever going to watch what he is doing and send him anything.
For the joe average who wants to know his investment in speakers can also incorporate a better understanding of the internal components ... this channel has been a god-send. GR Research truly stands alone in it's unique ability to educate audio consumers relevant to speaker construction and the results thereof. I am sure the entire speaker industry will be caused to "up" their game (if they are paying attention or even "care"). I am quite excited to experience Jay's review on these Encores. His reviews are evolving and his character as a true audiophile shines through. Wow Danny ... all of this is exciting news.
Is there some way of identifying when a driver has a neodymium pole piece? Some visual cue? I sometimes buy used & it would be invaluable to identify these special drivers.
Thanks for the video and updates. I'm so glad for all the work GR research does to ensure quality standards are way above the actual price points. It sounds like my X-statik kit will be another month or more but the extra testing you're doing sure explains the delays. For now Rory Gallagher will have to be confined by old Paradigms from the last century.
One of the upsides of the shortages we're seeing is that there are more and more small manufacturing businesses in the US that are growing. Many of the machine shops that were hobby shops are going into production, fabrications shops are growing. I really like seeing this. I think it's a healthy boost for the economy. It's true that the products will cost more than the cheap Chinese products where the volumes are diminishing along with some of the quality. It's true that China has been refining it's processes over the years, but it seems that in the last several years that the quality trend has been reversing for some products while getting better for others. I don't even want to get into the problem of fuel costs which are causing greater supply issues and other things that are getting out of hand due to inflation.
Danny, I'm curious about the new tweeters inconsistent unit-to-unit response measurements. I assume you don't want to hand tune crossovers forever. Is your supplier chasing that down? Have you isolated the likely cause? Will you ship-back some shop queens for reference at final QC stage? Having been in the biz yrs ago, these kinda issues can be tricky to run down & act-upon while also moving inventory in challenging times. By the way, it strikes me it's hard for consumers to fully appreciate the value of working w/ experts (esp product developers) having decades of experience in all aspect of high end audio vs those who aren't quite there yet.
One can only do so much, ... there's many examples throughout the industry of hand matched/measured pairs as a attribute. One such example... Legacy's Bill Duddleston does this and has discussed this issue at length.
One crucial lesson to learn in audio, is there is absolutely no such thing as perfect. Actually, that is applicable to any aspect of life. You just have to learn to adapt and minimise your compromises!
Yes! I was really hoping you would do an 8" version of the NQ. Looking forward to seeing what you do with those coax drivers, as well as what you have in store with the LGKs.
Well... someone's ego is a whittle hurt... 😆 Its awfully nice to see that you are going the extra mile to ensure Jay has a good experience. I hope he isn't getting you to make sure these are "up to standard" so he can use it to doo doo on these. I've met Danny and he is a super nice guy. I hope Jay gives these a fair review and all parties involved can sing kumbaya. I would expect Jay to be fair with his assignment based off of watching his channel since before it started. Btw.. spending a gazillion dollars on equipment isn't the best way to prove how serious someone is. Accepting challenges and staying open to try things while always moving forward does. Highly recommend subscribing to both Jay and Danny's channels.
I have waited for the perfect tweeter since I was a teenager in the eighties. Sadly I am still waiting 😖 what for me would be the perfect tweeter would be a tweeter which can be safely crossed over to the bass/midrange around 1200 Hz without a waveguide. A wide and completely even transition in regards to dispersion can be accomplished at such a low crossover frequency but obviously puts a lot of stress on the tweeter. So a tweeter with a magnetic system to end all magnetic systems, which can tolerate such a low crossover frequency is my dream tweeter in my dream speaker. The original Avalon Eclipse and Avatar had such a low crossover frequency but couldn’t play very loud so sadly ran into criticism. Something I always found unjustified because they could still play substantially louder than a electrostatic speakers. I truly wish we one day will get a tweeter which will allow us such a transition while still being able to sustain elevated but not ludicrous spl. Thanks for your informative videos.
I have not seen a perfect tweeter yet. I have an interesting speaker collection over the years and the tweeter/wave guide has not changed in any significant way for a long time. I am a fan of a coaxial design. I like the directivity more than a traditional design
@@RennieAsh Yes everything above 8 kHz will obviously be less than ideally dispersed with an 1 inch tweeter. My ideal two way system would use a 6 inch bass mid driver up to 1.2 kHz and a 1 inch driver above. My ideal 3 way speaker would use a 8 inch driver to 700Hz and a 2 inch driver from there up to 3,5 kHz and a 3/4 inch driver from there and above. All in a gently curved wide baffle. Such designs don’t really exist nowadays. AR made something a bit like this in the seventies but they were lacking in power handling, parts quality and had a somewhat downslopes frequency response. So…..
I viewed Jay's review and was dissappointed with his experience in quality and how that applies to and results in product excellence. I did not see data backing his positions. If I may be sold bold I would recommend Jay do some armchair reading of Deming on the finer aspects of quality in general. Deming was and still is the pillar of product quality. I was and still am a staunch disciple of Deming. I am a difficult at best client of Richie, but a true believer as Danny will absolutely not budge on quality. He is taking agressive steps to mitigate any risk of quality to his flagship. This I admire greatly. I am still waiting on my X LS kit however, let me say that if I have to wait another six months for the quality, it will be well worth it. Danny is spot on the right track and I anxiously await what Jay has to say once he delves into the X LS. “Without data, you're just another person with an opinion.” ... W. Edward Deming.
I wonder whether calling out reviewers applies to Amir from ASR, as a long term owner of a Clio setup myself, I'd probably swap a kidney for access to Klippel NFS, but irrespective of that, I find it hard to fault Amir's methodology. According to his recently posted review featuring the LGK, GR wasn't looking forward to offering him the opportunity. Jay's rant, in which he expressed reservations, has also disappeared from the comment section. For all it matters, I often concur with many observations Danny makes, however the post where mutual coupling between inductors is conflated with some psedo science as an explanation for all that's evil in a piece of wire is simply shocking and don't even get me started on cable supports. All of it is bit concerning, to be honest.
Amir is not consider a reviewer by the audio community. He doesn't even have a real listening room and doesn't even listen to a pair of speakers that he is "reviewing". What type of measuring system you use is nowhere near as important as knowing how to use it. Also, audible effects of wire and even cable risers are easy to demonstrate.
@@dannyrichie9743 Hi Danny, thank you for your reply. Whether differences between cables are audible is not what concerns me, what struck a chord was using measurements of mutually coupled inductors to prove audibility of these. All it shows is the importance of keeping inductors spaced and at right angles, not much else. Why not use actual cables instead - we know the answer, don't we? Actually, at that level the impact internally propagating soundwaves and vibrations have on microphonic crossover components is much more detrimental. In a sense, any ordinary lamp cord is orders of magnitude better when it comes to fidelity, than the most advanced speaker in the World, for one, it is perfectly capable of reproducing a squarewave and nowhere near 0.2 - 20% THD figures. By the same token, all it takes is to look inside an amplifier to see the same precious signal leaving the source/emitter via 150-470mΩ non-inductive cement resistors, before heading down the tin plated copper trace to an inductor paralleled with a resistor, and finally entering ... the contacts of the relay next to its energized iron core solenoid. No special weave pattern, no exotic materials, no cable risers in a much more hostile environment and yet. Don't get me wrong, I like my speakers fast decaying & flat on-axis and understand listening environment adaptation matters just as much as the source itself, moreover, I actually do utilize solid silver in cotton twisted pair for HF drivers myself, but not because of inductor coupling.
I'm looking forward to seeing what LGK projects you have coming. I hope that one of the upcoming projects is LGK 2.0 wedgies as I found the originals to be amazing and would like to build a set.
Damm Danny. You show us so much candy and it’s unreachable…….. Get a stable, interesting, fantastic, superb, product line so we don’t get confused and buy at PExp….😉 asap please, but there is only 24 hours a day. No pressure!
@@dannyrichie9743 Thanks for the feedback Danny! glad to hear that you didn’t sensor Jay. Also glad to hear that Jay chose to delete some of his comments. I’ll deposit some brownie points to both of your accounts 😊
Forgive my stupidity, Danny, but will the link to the sound clips be published here or on the GR-Research website ? And yes, my mother DID drop me on my head as a baby :(
Danny, there is always going to be those consumers of your speakers, even those that will comment here on your channel, bragging that by saying; “ my Encores have the original material dome tweeters” and also saying “I wouldn’t trust that new material, sure glad I bought my Encores when I did”.
Damn, ... can't get parts, can't find help... a Texas microcosm of what most everyone is dealing with in these crazy times. At least Danny's not using a little step by step cheat-sheet... 1.) you say "Hey Everybody" 2.) you express how excited you are 3.) tell everyone it's hard to get parts Etc Keep up the good work.
Where are the sample files man? Just don't release a video unless it's ready! Some of my videos take 3 days to re-render on RUclips, but you had better believe I ain't letting it go live until it's full 4k version is available! Just sayin. Cheers 🍻
Good to hear the 8" woofer finally delivered. What's the impedence, estimated sale price and do you plan to start selling them as individual parts or waiting until kits are designed
Subs were on and balanced. The sound clips did not at all sound like what we were getting in the room. We are going to try some different mics and see if we can more accurately capture what we hear in the room.
If anyone is arrogant it is you Jay. The fact that Danny's truths are not matching with yours and he is not afraid to call many half truths of audio world by their name does not make him arrogant . I always thought Gene , Audio "pseudo" Science dude and your buddies doing so called listening tests were arrogant and cocky by laughing off sarcastically audio aspects you did not grow up enough to understand or witness...
The reason audio is a P*ssing contest is because half the so called differences are smaller in nature than the extraneous variables from your mind and body condition, biases, etc. And since most of it is subjective based, you get bickering :) people don't like their perception questioned either it seems. "I heard it therefore it exists"
@@bbfoto7248 Continue trying to confirm what you can't measure and grasp on paper or by oscilators and meters ....tools not designed to listen to music instead of using good ol ears and working on your listening skills ... Why not making live easier.
Well early on is a very bad indicator for the current quality of Jay's reviews. I like his content a lot. Just as I like this video too. No need to bitch, specially not if you have to pull in early content in order to underpin your statement.
Jay and you have buried the hatchet? Good to hear. Thought you were opposed to using reviewers? Still have 3 days for the Stereophile Sept Issue deadline to include the Encore if you found an extra pair. Will be curious how the Encores compare with his CSS 1's he loved so much. Jay is young and needs some maturity to get to the next level but one thing I believe he does have going for him is his hearing.
I am not opposed to reviewers. My designs have been reviewed by every magazine online and in print and won awards from all of them. It is my desire to make the next generation of RUclips reviewers better, and nothing more. Jay is one of the guys I am pulling for and I would do anything I can for him.
So, Danny, First off nice to know Jay has backed off on that Elgatarian rant as it is an undue and disappointing attitude. That being said, very nice of you to be so considerate. Lastly, do you think at some point you will dip a toe into self powered Bluetooth speakers?
@@dannyrichie9743 well I just saw Jay's hiperbolic rant and withdraw my thoughts he might let go of the B S aditude he seems to want to lecture you and the rest of us on his issues concerning being open to investigations and what he hears and pass on his "opinions." My ideal is Democracy. And that each man is an individual with respect to his belief and not to idolize the individual. Paraphrasing A. Enstein...
It is strange to see how petty and immature Jay has been acting toward Danny; I hope he grows up a bit. Unfortunate because he puts out some great content on his channel. Good on Danny for taking the high road.
Serious question: is the effort to “throw shade” on others worth the views? No doubt it brings money but after seeing it on other RUclips channels outside the audio world it makes me wonder how much is artificially created to drive views versus people working in a vacuum while still garnering an audience. It’s existed since forums and trolls got mandatory. Both parties welcome but leave some room for progress:)
I am not in this for RUclips views. The discussion and what has actually come of my call out of the RUclips reviewers has been very fruitful so far and even more is to come.
@@dannyrichie9743 I was watching your channel prior to the callout and it hasn’t changed my view on your channel or more importantly your product. I’m still just as curious about what you make and think your approach is reasonable and founded in knowledge and past successes. Heck, the soccer and track stuff is cool as well.
@@intenttoinjure Wait, am confused, after what I heard Danny claim about burn-in... Or could it be possible for Danny himself to still be immature (or biz duplicitous) after his many years ?
i can tell from the look on your face you're not happy with the tweeters, but your done putting off the delivery. Why isn't there a single (double) blind study on the cables and risers. all anecdotal and only by people with "trained ears" is very unsatisfying to me as a consumer and very experienced high fi owner
Hey Danny. Thank you for your underserving praise in this video. I do apologize for my initial heated response in the comments - really showed my age there. I do get very passionate at times. I believe there are many others more qualified to review your product on this platform but I am excited with my decision to buy the encores and happy that Frederick did a wonderful job on them. Can't wait to take them for a spin, measure them at the NRC and do some blind tests !
Thank you Jay & Thujan
Thanks Jay and you continue to have my support.
So glad to see this post. That was a bold move, which checked all the right boxes for me. Looking forward to the review.
Looking forward to your head to head thoughts on CSS Criton 1TDX -vs- X-LS Encore. Then does either surpass your Sonus Faber Electa Amator III. Amazing level these kit speakers have achieved. For a fraction of the price. Danny well representing us bang for the buck guy's. Time for a trip to Texas, Jay. Just did a pair of the 8TC cable kit...(in my Rig) Soundstage was always well defined, now it has expanded and is now as large as the 96 inch screen the system flank's. These cables opened everything up...now the soundstage extends beyond the speakers...just magical. Sincere TY to Danny for definitely leveling up my system, for what $220.00. Officially on my Christmas list. Going to let them burn it for a hundred hours or so
then I'll do a more detailed review for Danny's site. Musical cues (reflections from parts of the room I have never heard before) Just outstanding. Learn everything you can from him. I'm going to. Take care Jay.
Don't forget before reviewing them: _"Copper foil caps need 400 hours of burn-in, the rest of the parts 200h, and the cable 200 hours"_
It is absolutely paramount !
I received my XLS Encore kit yesterday. Thank you very much Danny. I am one who ordered in November 2021. The Tigerwood cabinets have been ready and waiting. I'll get the crossovers built, mount the drivers, and start the break in process. I ordered all the upgrades so I am excited to hear the results. I appreciate you sticking to your guns and going the extra mile to ensure we hear the Encores the way they are intended to be heard. I have listened to Jay's channel numerous times and enjoy his feedback on various components. It will be interesting to see what Jay has to say about the Encores. Obviously it won't influence my opinion on the Encores but interesting none the less.
This is awesome, the encore is still my favorite bookshelf I've had a year later, definitely can't wait for Jay's review of em, keep em comin and rollin good stuff out, glad you have an 8 inch driver to work with now, thats goin be interesting, maybe a.... "Super Encore" with a slightly bigger cabinet, can get to 28-32 flat hz or so? Maybe, maybe not, sounds like a good idea though.
I like the Linearity of XLS above all👍🙂
I understand I was ahead of myself didn't check the date of Danny's video. I am excited like everyone 🤗 else at the results. Incidentally I have a pair waiting on me to finish (procrastination is a disease) anyway I will eat that 🐸
Nice vid! I got my X-SLS pair from Frederick! He even rebuilt the crossovers for me, with upgraded parts. Great guy!
Thank you🙂👍 frederick
OH BRAVO!
Progress! I'm not gonna lie, I was a little worried. Your parts problems actually drove me to buy four new speakers for my surround kit. And a new amp solved all the problems I had with my hoary old Cornwalls.
Vastly improved system, but Loving Wife is unable to share my enthusiasm. She fails to understand...
STILL lusting after your open baffle big guns, so there is hope yet...
Excellent video, hope springs anew!
You really are the man, I was distracted, a little, by others' misguided views of your gospel , but now I see I was right about you all along! Don't ever change, Danny! There is a very good market for my Cornwalls, so there is hope yet!
Please carry on!
Outstanding news, Danny! I look forward to finally ordering a pair of bookshelves from you. Your Encores are my choice so far based on your videos, but with supply coming back now, maybe you'll have another bookshelf model you could recommend besides the Encores. I'm so excited for you finally getting back into proper operations after so much supply problems. We are eagerly awaiting your update videos. Cheers!🙂👍
Hold on a bit longer, I think he said they are looking at designing that new 8" woofer with their new tweeter (bookshelf) should be amazing. Do a cable kit while you wait. That's what I did.
These are amazing. I watched NRD. 3 speaker test I thought the test showed these we the best set. Out of the three speakers.
Great news, good luck with your business, supporting the high quality diy scene! Pity importing to europe is so expensive
Very curious to hear Jays opinion as I am about to buy the CSS kit.
I’m not. The dude is a prima donna. Based on Jay’s attitude, I’m expecting an all-out hit piece.
I wonder if the crossover will change with these new tweeters?
We are tweaking the crossovers for each model.
Interesting... people 'talking' and good things coming of it. Who would of thought. (Well, if I'm not mistaken... that's exactly what Danny thought 😉...). So yeah, a Win-win for everyone involved... especially us the END User! So THANK YOU Jay, Ron, Frederick, Danny and anyone else who is Helping to make this happen. Lastly, man I cannot wait to see what new speakers Danny has in store. I personally am a HUGE fan of the MTM as I tend to listen a bit loud, so I'm very excited for the new 8" driver and all the larger (MTM, etc.) speakers to come!
Excellent Danny, Your commitment to quality is truly inspirational.
Is cable risers really needed when my home got suspended wooden floors and no rugs or carpets?
It shouldn't be any static electricity going on or induction from metal rebars.
Give them a try and find out. You can make some pretty cheaply using some pieces of cardboard or tinker toys.
Just hang them from the ceiling like a modern art piece, they'll sound 10x better because you can have them further from surfaces than almost any floor based riser!
@@RennieAsh Don't forget to hang the speakers too. Makes a world of a difference.
All the interference-mumbo-jumbo coupling between the floor and the bottom of the speakers disappears too !
Since my 2-year-old demolished the tweaters on my GR Research Desktop Mini's (first diy kit, loved'em)... I'm eyeing the Encores; what's the lead time, should I order in the very near future?
Do you do that for every costumer, check if everything is ok and then send it, and if you do who pays for the extra shipping?
a box with one of those coax in it would be a great low cost monitor for atmos.
Hey, good idea.
Great vid, Danny, I just put a Decware ZLC in my rig, those Pedest'ale Tower speakers are talking.
looking forward to 2way 8 inch NQ, i would like to see kits with basic kits be also made available like with encores.
Send one to amir at audiosciencereview and Erin at Erin's audio corner. Let them measure them and give a quantitative unbiased analysis.
Well that might be a good idea if I needed that kind of feedback. Unfortunately Amir has no idea what he is doing and his feedback is just going to be a hit job because I give him no credibility. What he is doing truly is a joke and a disservice to the audio community.
@@dannyrichie9743 I’m with you 100%, Danny, regarding Amir. Erin, OTH, does a great job with his Klippel, and delivers solid, even-handed reviews, which include extensive listening. Like you, he has an affable demeanor and offers very credible audio info.
@@bbfoto7248 Ha, he has no idea what he is doing. He doesn't know how to read the measurements he's taking either. And you don't need to hear that from the most qualified guru in the industry. Everybody that is anybody in the industry can tell you that. That whole site over there is the butt if industry jokes.
@@bbfoto7248 I have not had any review request from Erin.
@@bbfoto7248 He doesn't do reviews. He really doesn't even have a decent listening room for listening to music.
How accurate or to what level of accuracy a measurement system is capable of is not an issue. The most important factor is being able to read and understand the data and what is measured. This is where he has no idea what he is doing. No company out there is ever going to watch what he is doing and send him anything.
I suspect that 8" and coaxial together might make a very interesting speaker.
For the joe average who wants to know his investment in speakers can also incorporate
a better understanding of the internal components ... this channel has been a god-send.
GR Research truly stands alone in it's unique ability to educate audio consumers relevant
to speaker construction and the results thereof. I am sure the entire speaker industry will
be caused to "up" their game (if they are paying attention or even "care").
I am quite excited to experience Jay's review on these Encores. His reviews are evolving
and his character as a true audiophile shines through.
Wow Danny ... all of this is exciting news.
Has any one ever sent you a pair of bose speakers, Just curious ?
Great video, good positive stuff all the way through.. awesome 😎
Great job Danny!!
Is there some way of identifying when a driver has a neodymium pole piece? Some visual cue? I sometimes buy used & it would be invaluable to identify these special drivers.
Id buy a pair of those coax, they look nice !
@@bbfoto7248 I agree :) I'll stick with Sbacoustics :)
Always good to see new drivers
Thanks for the video and updates. I'm so glad for all the work GR research does to ensure quality standards are way above the actual price points. It sounds like my X-statik kit will be another month or more but the extra testing you're doing sure explains the delays. For now Rory Gallagher will have to be confined by old Paradigms from the last century.
Excited about the new 8” woofer with your AMT tweeter.
Thanks for your participation Jay! I’m looking forward to your videos. 🔈👍🏻
One of the upsides of the shortages we're seeing is that there are more and more small manufacturing businesses in the US that are growing. Many of the machine shops that were hobby shops are going into production, fabrications shops are growing. I really like seeing this. I think it's a healthy boost for the economy. It's true that the products will cost more than the cheap Chinese products where the volumes are diminishing along with some of the quality. It's true that China has been refining it's processes over the years, but it seems that in the last several years that the quality trend has been reversing for some products while getting better for others. I don't even want to get into the problem of fuel costs which are causing greater supply issues and other things that are getting out of hand due to inflation.
Danny, I'm curious about the new tweeters inconsistent unit-to-unit response measurements. I assume you don't want to hand tune crossovers forever. Is your supplier chasing that down? Have you isolated the likely cause? Will you ship-back some shop queens for reference at final QC stage? Having been in the biz yrs ago, these kinda issues can be tricky to run down & act-upon while also moving inventory in challenging times.
By the way, it strikes me it's hard for consumers to fully appreciate the value of working w/ experts (esp product developers) having decades of experience in all aspect of high end audio vs those who aren't quite there yet.
We are working on it.
One can only do so much, ... there's many examples throughout the industry of hand matched/measured pairs as a attribute.
One such example... Legacy's Bill Duddleston does this and has discussed this issue at length.
Great and inspiring news! I got the file downloaded, thanks!
One crucial lesson to learn in audio, is there is absolutely no such thing as perfect. Actually, that is applicable to any aspect of life. You just have to learn to adapt and minimise your compromises!
Very well said, true wisdom Howard.
@@512bb 👍👍
People will still argue over that. Science vs subjective etc
@@RennieAsh 👍
I've come to know Frederick very well he is a joy to do business with snd built my upgraded xovers he is a true craftsman
Thank you Steve for kind words
Yes! I was really hoping you would do an 8" version of the NQ. Looking forward to seeing what you do with those coax drivers, as well as what you have in store with the LGKs.
An 8” NQ version could be “killer”
I honestly like coaxials. But only few do them really well
Awesome! Love your material!
Things are getting exciting at GR-Research!
A MISSION 770 thats actually affordable with the 8 inch driver👍👍👍👍
That’s great news, keep rocking the quality products.
I am very excited with new products
Danny, GR Research still uses peerless fabrikkerne drivers?
Peerless of India, which used to be associated with Peerless of Denmark.
@@hoth2112
Are you associated with GR Research?
@@giriprasadkotte9876 Yes, I'm one of his employees.
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Understood
Hey Danny can you provide Frederick's details as Im looking for someone to upgrade my Energy CF-70 crossovers.
Well... someone's ego is a whittle hurt... 😆
Its awfully nice to see that you are going the extra mile to ensure Jay has a good experience. I hope he isn't getting you to make sure these are "up to standard" so he can use it to doo doo on these.
I've met Danny and he is a super nice guy. I hope Jay gives these a fair review and all parties involved can sing kumbaya. I would expect Jay to be fair with his assignment based off of watching his channel since before it started.
Btw.. spending a gazillion dollars on equipment isn't the best way to prove how serious someone is. Accepting challenges and staying open to try things while always moving forward does.
Highly recommend subscribing to both Jay and Danny's channels.
Thank you Danny. Thank you Hobbs.🙂👍🙏 Frederick
Danny is the man. Show them Danny! Send them to out - say no to influencer contracts! :)
I’m excited about the coax drivers! Maybe we could also see an Omni version of that 8” NQ? Could be awesome.
Oooh! A coaxial driver? I'm very interested. (If I had the choice, I'd trade a somewhat higher Fs for a bit higher sensitivity. Just sayin'.)
I have waited for the perfect tweeter since I was a teenager in the eighties. Sadly I am still waiting 😖 what for me would be the perfect tweeter would be a tweeter which can be safely crossed over to the bass/midrange around 1200 Hz without a waveguide. A wide and completely even transition in regards to dispersion can be accomplished at such a low crossover frequency but obviously puts a lot of stress on the tweeter. So a tweeter with a magnetic system to end all magnetic systems, which can tolerate such a low crossover frequency is my dream tweeter in my dream speaker. The original Avalon Eclipse and Avatar had such a low crossover frequency but couldn’t play very loud so sadly ran into criticism. Something I always found unjustified because they could still play substantially louder than a electrostatic speakers. I truly wish we one day will get a tweeter which will allow us such a transition while still being able to sustain elevated but not ludicrous spl. Thanks for your informative videos.
I have not seen a perfect tweeter yet. I have an interesting speaker collection over the years and the tweeter/wave guide has not changed in any significant way for a long time. I am a fan of a coaxial design. I like the directivity more than a traditional design
Bliesma t34 is pretty good.
Not sure you'll get the dispersion though unless there's some super 3/4" tweeter :)
@@RennieAsh Yes everything above 8 kHz will obviously be less than ideally dispersed with an 1 inch tweeter. My ideal two way system would use a 6 inch bass mid driver up to 1.2 kHz and a 1 inch driver above. My ideal 3 way speaker would use a 8 inch driver to 700Hz and a 2 inch driver from there up to 3,5 kHz and a 3/4 inch driver from there and above. All in a gently curved wide baffle. Such designs don’t really exist nowadays. AR made something a bit like this in the seventies but they were lacking in power handling, parts quality and had a somewhat downslopes frequency response. So…..
I viewed Jay's review and was dissappointed with his experience in quality and how that applies to and results in product excellence. I did not see data backing his positions. If I may be sold bold I would recommend Jay do some armchair reading of Deming on the finer aspects of quality in general. Deming was and still is the pillar of product quality. I was and still am a staunch disciple of Deming. I am a difficult at best client of Richie, but a true believer as Danny will absolutely not budge on quality. He is taking agressive steps to mitigate any risk of quality to his flagship. This I admire greatly. I am still waiting on my X LS kit however, let me say that if I have to wait another six months for the quality, it will be well worth it. Danny is spot on the right track and I anxiously await what Jay has to say once he delves into the X LS. “Without data, you're just another person with an opinion.” ... W. Edward Deming.
Super minis with 8” NQ drivers would be cool 🤗
I wonder whether calling out reviewers applies to Amir from ASR, as a long term owner of a Clio setup myself, I'd probably swap a kidney for access to Klippel NFS, but irrespective of that, I find it hard to fault Amir's methodology. According to his recently posted review featuring the LGK, GR wasn't looking forward to offering him the opportunity. Jay's rant, in which he expressed reservations, has also disappeared from the comment section. For all it matters, I often concur with many observations Danny makes, however the post where mutual coupling between inductors is conflated with some psedo science as an explanation for all that's evil in a piece of wire is simply shocking and don't even get me started on cable supports. All of it is bit concerning, to be honest.
Amir is not consider a reviewer by the audio community. He doesn't even have a real listening room and doesn't even listen to a pair of speakers that he is "reviewing". What type of measuring system you use is nowhere near as important as knowing how to use it.
Also, audible effects of wire and even cable risers are easy to demonstrate.
Plus he has high end Reveal and ML and claim not much differences. Flat respond and low distortion, you pass.
@@dannyrichie9743 Hi Danny, thank you for your reply.
Whether differences between cables are audible is not what concerns me, what struck a chord was using measurements of mutually coupled inductors to prove audibility of these.
All it shows is the importance of keeping inductors spaced and at right angles, not much else.
Why not use actual cables instead - we know the answer, don't we?
Actually, at that level the impact internally propagating soundwaves and vibrations have on microphonic crossover components is much more detrimental.
In a sense, any ordinary lamp cord is orders of magnitude better when it comes to fidelity, than the most advanced speaker in the World, for one, it is perfectly capable of reproducing a squarewave and nowhere near 0.2 - 20% THD figures.
By the same token, all it takes is to look inside an amplifier to see the same precious signal leaving the source/emitter via 150-470mΩ non-inductive cement resistors, before heading down the tin plated copper trace to an inductor paralleled with a resistor, and finally entering ... the contacts of the relay next to its energized iron core solenoid. No special weave pattern, no exotic materials, no cable risers in a much more hostile environment and yet.
Don't get me wrong, I like my speakers fast decaying & flat on-axis and understand listening environment adaptation matters just as much as the source itself, moreover, I actually do utilize solid silver in cotton twisted pair for HF drivers myself, but not because of inductor coupling.
I'd love some "fixing" of old school hi-end from germany manufactures like ATL, or T+A but i guess mostly US folks send stuff to You
Coaxial driver cool
I'm looking forward to seeing what LGK projects you have coming. I hope that one of the upcoming projects is LGK 2.0 wedgies as I found the originals to be amazing and would like to build a set.
I see you guys are re-recording the audio clips, please include more sample rate options, thanks :)
Damm Danny. You show us so much candy and it’s unreachable…….. Get a stable, interesting, fantastic, superb, product line so we don’t get confused and buy at PExp….😉 asap please, but there is only 24 hours a day. No pressure!
I’m curious if Danny removed Jay’s comment thread or if Jay deleted it?
We did not remove it on this end.
@@dannyrichie9743 Thanks for the feedback Danny! glad to hear that you didn’t sensor Jay. Also glad to hear that Jay chose to delete some of his comments. I’ll deposit some brownie points to both of your accounts 😊
Forgive my stupidity, Danny, but will the link to the sound clips be published here or on the GR-Research website ? And yes, my mother DID drop me on my head as a baby :(
Yes, and a link will appear here as well. We are scheduled to work on that project later today.
@@dannyrichie9743 Thanks for that.
@@arthurwatts1680 LGK sound clips are now up.
Awesome 👌
Danny, there is always going to be those consumers of your speakers, even those that will comment here on your channel, bragging that by saying; “ my Encores have the original material dome tweeters” and also saying “I wouldn’t trust that new material, sure glad I bought my Encores when I did”.
Damn, ... can't get parts, can't find help... a Texas microcosm of what most everyone is dealing with in these crazy times.
At least Danny's not using a little step by step cheat-sheet...
1.) you say "Hey Everybody"
2.) you express how excited you are
3.) tell everyone it's hard to get parts
Etc
Keep up the good work.
Danny is a big man
So Jay is READY!!!?
Jay's ready.
You’ve been lucky if you got the older version if you ask me.
Where are the sample files man? Just don't release a video unless it's ready! Some of my videos take 3 days to re-render on RUclips, but you had better believe I ain't letting it go live until it's full 4k version is available! Just sayin. Cheers 🍻
We listened to them and weren't quite happy with the results. We plan to re-record them this weekend to get a better recording
Entitled much ?
@@iamsometimes6712:
Entitled to what was promised, yes! Soon it will be weeks and still no samples..... ⏳
8" Sweet!
Danny…who is your supplier of tweeters ?
They are custom drivers from Peerless of India
@@hoth2112 I know 😀
I love to see the cross border co-operation. It should be interesting to see what Jay thinks of these speakers.
Did Jay delete his comment that got pinned?!
I replied to it early on, and now it's non-existent.....
Things got a little too spicy I guess, as a Jay fan, I have to say Jays response was a bit uncalled for.
I did not delete his comment and neither did Ron. So it had to be done by Jay. To be honest, it probably wasn't a bad idea.
Good to hear the 8" woofer finally delivered.
What's the impedence, estimated sale price and do you plan to start selling them as individual parts or waiting until kits are designed
Were those sound clips recorded with subs or is that just the Encores?
Subs were on and balanced. The sound clips did not at all sound like what we were getting in the room. We are going to try some different mics and see if we can more accurately capture what we hear in the room.
@@dannyrichie9743 Can't wait to hear it, kudos to you for doing it.
@@crtgamer2355 Wait for the new capture, it'll blow your mind.
1st one wasn't too good because the mics only had 50 hours of burn-in...
@@iamsometimes6712 Looking forward :)
If anyone is arrogant it is you Jay.
The fact that Danny's truths are not matching with yours and he is not afraid to call many half truths of audio world by their name does not make him arrogant .
I always thought Gene , Audio "pseudo" Science dude and your buddies doing so called listening tests were arrogant and cocky by laughing off sarcastically audio aspects you did not grow up enough to understand or witness...
What a load of ignorant, misinformed bull**it.
Ok bud lol
The reason audio is a P*ssing contest is because half the so called differences are smaller in nature than the extraneous variables from your mind and body condition, biases, etc.
And since most of it is subjective based, you get bickering :) people don't like their perception questioned either it seems. "I heard it therefore it exists"
@@RennieAsh small difference for non passionate listener is a huge difference for a true enthusiast and music lover aka audiofile .
@@bbfoto7248 Continue trying to confirm what you can't measure and grasp on paper or by oscilators and meters ....tools not designed to listen to music instead of using good ol ears and working on your listening skills ...
Why not making live easier.
🙋👍❤️
Jay I remember early on you did a review of an amp that you didn't even know what the topology was. Danny has more knowledge in his little finger.
Ok
Well early on is a very bad indicator for the current quality of Jay's reviews. I like his content a lot. Just as I like this video too.
No need to bitch, specially not if you have to pull in early content in order to underpin your statement.
✌🏾
Send him power cables too
Jay and you have buried the hatchet? Good to hear. Thought you were opposed to using reviewers? Still have 3 days for the Stereophile Sept Issue deadline to include the Encore if you found an extra pair. Will be curious how the Encores compare with his CSS 1's he loved so much. Jay is young and needs some maturity to get to the next level but one thing I believe he does have going for him is his hearing.
I am not opposed to reviewers. My designs have been reviewed by every magazine online and in print and won awards from all of them. It is my desire to make the next generation of RUclips reviewers better, and nothing more. Jay is one of the guys I am pulling for and I would do anything I can for him.
Could you guys also make 96kHz files available for us with older audio interfaces?
So, Danny, First off nice to know Jay has backed off on that Elgatarian rant as it is an undue and disappointing attitude. That being said, very nice of you to be so considerate. Lastly, do you think at some point you will dip a toe into self powered Bluetooth speakers?
Short answer is no on the bluetooth speakers.
@@dannyrichie9743 well I just saw Jay's hiperbolic rant and withdraw my thoughts he might let go of the B S aditude he seems to want to lecture you and the rest of us on his issues concerning being open to investigations and what he hears and pass on his "opinions." My ideal is Democracy. And that each man is an individual with respect to his belief and not to idolize the individual. Paraphrasing A. Enstein...
Please consider sending stuff to Thomas and stereo, Steve Guttenberg, zero fidelity or A British Audiophile. Not jay!
Sending speakers to Jay (who’s a joke of a reviewer) yet you turned down ASR? 🤔
Absolutely! Jay is actually a reviewer with an actual listening room, and he listens. Those other guys are NOT reviewers.
It is strange to see how petty and immature Jay has been acting toward Danny; I hope he grows up a bit. Unfortunate because he puts out some great content on his channel. Good on Danny for taking the high road.
All"reviewers" and business owners have their unique agendas. Some are just better at the marketing side of things :)
Lower Q
Serious question: is the effort to “throw shade” on others worth the views? No doubt it brings money but after seeing it on other RUclips channels outside the audio world it makes me wonder how much is artificially created to drive views versus people working in a vacuum while still garnering an audience. It’s existed since forums and trolls got mandatory. Both parties welcome but leave some room for progress:)
I am not in this for RUclips views. The discussion and what has actually come of my call out of the RUclips reviewers has been very fruitful so far and even more is to come.
@@dannyrichie9743 I was watching your channel prior to the callout and it hasn’t changed my view on your channel or more importantly your product. I’m still just as curious about what you make and think your approach is reasonable and founded in knowledge and past successes. Heck, the soccer and track stuff is cool as well.
I never saw nothing done, only talk
No reason at all everything can't be made in America.
@@doifeellucky Funding communism isn't a good idea.
Just want a less ego driven…. It’s too much … and off putting…. Costing you subs for sure
The condescension displayed here is rather sickening.😕
Jay doesn't deserve these speakers after his immature outbursts, he's also really inexperienced, just a few years compared to your many years.
Lol
@@intenttoinjure Wait, am confused, after what I heard Danny claim about burn-in...
Or could it be possible for Danny himself to still be immature (or biz duplicitous) after his many years ?
@@iamsometimes6712 lol
Danny keeps messing with his nose, bad coke habit?
Horrible allergies.
first!
i can tell from the look on your face you're not happy with the tweeters, but your done putting off the delivery.
Why isn't there a single (double) blind study on the cables and risers. all anecdotal and only by people with "trained ears" is very unsatisfying to me as a consumer and very experienced high fi owner