A gentle, steady rain, accompanied by a moderate, constant breeze creates some of the finest deer hunting conditions I know, especially for still hunting.
I have seen the biggest weariest bucks during these conditions. It can be uncomfortable if you are in the open but the conditions are in your favor. The biggest ones will have their noses to the ground trying to pick up scent.
Precisely. As long as one is in the woods, they have a chance. Guarantee you'll have zero success sitting at home. for some reason hunters are obsessed with highest odds days, etc. Just relax and get out there and enjoy the experiences. Deer are killed at all hours of the day, in all weather types, at all times of the season.
I have been a huge fisherman and hunter for a long time. I have kept a journal log of certain moon phases when I have caught a really large bass or killed a nice buck.I rarely see any deer after a full moon no matter what the weather conditions are. More than 75% of the time it was during a new moon or a small crescent moon and a few during the half-moon phase. It could just be a coincidence; however, I believe fronts definitely impact movement the most. This past year I killed a big 8 point during a new moon in November. It had been in the 60s all week and dropped to the high 30s that weekend. I saw 7 deer before I harvested the 8. I enjoy hearing different experiences and opinions.
Deep sea fishing is terrible on the new moon phases. Was told by a captain of 60 years and 3rd generation fisherman. I also have fished enough to see that new moon equaled shity fishing. For cod and haddock off of Gloucester, Massachusetts. Interesting stuff. Thanks for your information.
I enjoy hearing facts based on research. I’ve always disbelieved the moon phase junk, hunted the rain and pee out of my stand. I’ve also had numerous bucks/does under my stand scent checking my urine. Not once have they appeared nervous or busted me due to urine. Thanks Kip for stating what the research shows.
I was busted by two does as I was peeing in a bottle while in my tree stand. I never saw them, but they smelled me pretty quickly. SHHHEEW! SHHHEEW! And they were gone.
I’ve hunted for 30 yrs and it has always held true in my experience that the three days before the moon becomes full and the three days after a full moon I have seen a lot more deer than any other time
Anecdotal I say. Science dispels these myths. Believe what makes you confident. Lot's of overkill when it comes to hunting. I have coughed in the woods and 5 minutes later a deer pulls up and I'm on public land. Explain that.
I've peed in the woods less than 30 yards from where I was sitting. I've had deer come up to the spot 30 minutes later, sniff and continue on past me within shooting distance. I must say that it's usually does. But I'm equal opportunity. I'll take a big doe every time. Antlers are pretty, but don't make good stew.
@@atthebrink74 A big spoon works better. I still have my first buck's rack hanging out in the garage. A basket six point. Very nice hat rack. I hauled that bad boy home in 1986. The winter months were quite enjoyable. My Granny cooked up deer steaks, chicken fried and smothered in onions, as often as I asked. Funny, she knew how to cook venison, but didn't like eating venison.
@@luketilley9137 Chicken fried deer steak on my plate smothered in fried onions and mushrooms with mashed taters, topped with gravy, and green beans out of the garden is a most appealing sight to behold. And most pleasing to the taste buds! Make a person get religion quick! Can I hear an "Amen"??
4:35 Fred Trost demonstrated, more than 25 years ago, that deer, including bucks, will investigate human urine the same way they check the urine of other deer.
Old school calibers 30-30 , 303 British ,6.5x55 Sweedish , just name a few along with 30-06 these older calibers have harvested more game than all the fancy WSM OR WSSM calibers combined . I first hunted with .410 for my first buck , used 30-30 and 303 in my early yrs , went to 6.5x 55 shot 30-06 for decades now back to 6.5x55 sweede these cartridges are plenty to harvest white tails EDIT - Old school guns still rule as well , no plastic , all metal and wood , Mauser Action is dear to my heart , Damm reliable , I currently hunt with a Commercially made Mauser Action rifle with monte carlo stock all wood and steel in 6.5x55 , just something about a well crafted rifle on budget price , Check out Zastava Rifles won't be disapointed
I took a moce 3 point blacktailed buck at 30 yards with the ol dirty thirty. He dropped right in his tracks range and shot placment 30 30 will take 🐻 dont under estimate
I knew it!! I've been peeing in scrapes for years and have seen an increase in buck activity at the scrape. I think they come back more often trying to find the "other deer" that keeps peeing in his scrape. Thank you for this info, I'm going to go hunting tonight in the rain and give it a whirl
@@schylerstone2320 ....I had to relieve myself the one morning during the rut and my boyfriend said go in that scrape. I did and no lie.... two mature bucks came strolling in around 7am and checked it out... he tagged the second buck. I was amazed !
Biggest buck I ever shot was right after I had a leak and then lite up a smoke. Deer in farm areas see and smell humans/machinery (farmers) all the time and become accustom to it. If a farmer is working a 200 acre field and he has to take a leak he aint driving the tractor all the way back up to the house then back out again LOL.
My second year hunting I peed early in the morning and then moved further back into some pines. About 60 yards from my pee. In an hour, 2 doe walked right up to that area. I got a mature 7 year old doe that the DNR aged for me by cutting too see the teeth. Maybe bucks are different, but old bladders don't make for a comfortable hunt unless you empty them.
I went out on a morning hunt in early November this year. I sat down in my shack a few minutes before shooting hours, and a light rain started. I thought to myself "damn. I'm not going to see a thing now." 15 minutes later a nice big 8 pt. stepped out, and I had an 18 yard shot. I couldn't believe it!!! That was the earliest I ever got a deer in any season since I have been hunting. I have been missing out on the rain hunts because of that rumor. Tracking was difficult. Even though I started right after I shot him, the blood washed away quickly. Luckily he only went about 40 yards and I found him right away.
@@Whitetail_Properties Watching your video opened my eyes for sure! I am convinced that a lot of the things we hear as hunters are old wive's tales, or rumors designed to make us think we need to purchase scent lock clothing, deer urine, special camouflage and so many other products.
Seems like theirs about an hour window before a hard rain starts, and about the time it stops, when the deer really come alive!! I learned that from ole Roger tagline back in the 90s!!
On heavily pressured public land in SE PA, I use my own bottled urine in every mock scrape I make. And have the trail cam videos and photos to prove it attracts bucks of all ages. I even pour it on the licking branch and they lick and eat the leaves. Some bucks show up within hours of when I made the scrape. Letting your urine sit in an open bottle for a week turns it darker and makes it smell musky like buck urine. I'm convinced they smell testosterone and have no idea its human.
First of all i love how clear and educational your video is. Secondly, literally 4 days ago, (the day after the full moon) i peed behind my stand and killed a doe at dusk. So there you go on that. Ive already clicked the sub button.
For 25 years I carried a hot water bottle in my backpack to haul out whiz thinking I've gone to all these extremes to de-scent myself and the stand sites, why even take the chance. A couple of spills in the pack and the stories a good friend would share about bucks of all ages not being alarmed and even checking the scrapes he was peeing in convinced me finally. Looking into it, it turns out all mammalian testosterone is identical so you would be another buck, as well as urine being sterile inside you. I no longer have concerns about it other than aiming off the stand in a direction I have a clear lane to shoot. Actually had a grey fox repeatedly roll in it under the stand.
If that doe is hot it don't matter if its hot cold, wet, dry, full moon or whatever that bucks ready lol . Daylight to dark if you can set that long helps. Thanks for your video buddy be safe.
Driving on covelo road (hwy 162. A winding, 30 Mile mountain road that goes from the main highway101 to our small town) on nights around a full moon, there's gonna be dozens of deer on the road. Locals know that so they know when to drive slow and carefully on the road. And on rainy days.
Forget about Penn State, I researched it myself, I’m big on being scent free but urine won’t bother deer and could attract them. I just got done peeing one time after rattling, a buck came and the wind changed so he was downwind but I still got em with a bow on the ground. 100% coyotes are attracted to human pee. I went coyote hunting before with my friend, before we went into the woods we both urinated next to my car and when we came back there were coyote tracks going all around my car literally 1 foot away circling. Another thing I noticed through the years, I mostly hunt off the ground so when I get to say a big tree I clear a spot all the way around the tree from leafs and sticks incase I have to move around one side when a deer is coming. What I noticed is if I go back to that tree the next day there are deer tracks all over the bare spot I cleared. More than likely it’s due to deer having easy access to the soil. At first I was thinking it might be my cover spray (which it could) or salt coming off my body but the salt guess can’t be correct so it definitely has to do with getting at the soil. So a good tip is to clear small 3x3 ft soil patches by your stand. Not only will deer be attracted to it but it also acts as a cover scent because the smell of the soil is stronger than the smells of leafs and so on so it acts as a natural cover scent. But still got to be scent free unless you know exactly the trail the deer will take and your downwind...but that rarely happens where I hunt, deer use trails but if your calling or it’s the rut those buck can come from any direction and usually will if the area has any hunting pressure the buck will circle downwind. Reason I say forget about Penn State is because they do research on deer that have zero hunting pressure so test can be false
I used to bowhunt several different private land sites for a total of 70 sits a year. Wind direction & your route to & from your sitting place has alot to do with it. Hunting more evenings & throwing in a morning hunt here & there in a location which has different terrain as far as cover worked for me. Being clean & quiet along with less movement will also help your success. The rain & wind r big factors rather than temp & barometer. I've found 🧊 fishing has more to do with barometer imo. Walking during the rain & being setup in your 🌳 b4 the rain stops is a huge advantage. I had alot of success when the moon was between new & 1st quarter. Seemed to not have the effect on deer during the other phases. In fact the day after the 1st quarter moon all the way up to the time when the full moon is waning seem to affect the deer the same. However I've done a few full moon all day sits & have seen several animals like foxes moving @ high noon that I found interesting. Any way u can find a way to allow yourself to turn the odds in your favor slightly on a target animal is a good thing. But it's usually combining many different factors that all exist on one day that u must be out there. Like 2 years ago when Halloween was on Saturday the 31st. Then again a couple of weeks later on Saturday the 14th. Those r 2 deer movements I remember the most from the last 5 years.
I regularly make mock scrapes by urinating in them -making sure that there is a licking branch or some sort of suspended vine or small limber limb-90 per cent of the time when i check a couple weeks later you can see that there has been activity
What about daylight hours? Do you have any data on habit changes based on reduced sunlight? Kinda like when chickens lay fewer eggs when the days get shorter.
The shorter days trigger the increase in testosterone in bucks, so they loose their velvet and summer coats and start "bulking up" for the fall. Testosterone continues to rise throughout October and November and remains high until the bucks loose their antlers.
I was hunting in pike County Illinois last week Had to pee stood up and let it fly out of my stand A pretty decent 8 pointer walked under my stand not more than 10 minutes later and never responded at all. I have actually been peeing in the deer woods for years and have never had a bad reaction to it
One major thing overlooked by 'scientific studies' that you've got to actually hunt A LOT of different sites (as in states, regions, etc) to understand...is that deer are a 'close territory animal'...most herds will stay on a 200 (or less) acre piece of land their whole life...so what is 'normal' for what you hunt may be insane for another area. I grew up being told 'deer see movement', 'deer smell your urine', 'deer forage at full-moon night', 'deer don't look up unless they have experience being shot at from heights', etc. In reality, this is NOT ALWAYS TRUE! I found this out when I bought a remote land tract in 2000, scouted it heavily for the pre-season, lot of sign, no visuals (no good game cams back then, either), several scrapes, tons of rubs...figured 'not sure when they are here, but I'll make opening weekend out of figuring it out'...set up my stand the week before and left it...come in on opening morning pre-dawn, get set up...and was amazed at all the contradictions I observed that weekend. The day before was full moon, but they didn't start moving until 8am, zero wind made them nervous and antsy...first buck in looked directly at me (20-ft up a tree) and without flinching, ran off immediately...two does followed him, and did the same (tree-staring deer? interesting). This went on all weekend. I asked several who lived in the area what gives with the deer here, and they simply replied 'it's harder to hunt our deer than other places'...no other explanation given...made no sense, but convinced me that 'expert advice' for Ohio doesn't mean a THING in Missouri...and trying to 'follow expert advice' will lead you into eternal circles of confusion...not into a good deer steak!
We agree completely that different regions, states, counties and even individual farms can all hunt differently for a multitude of reasons- theres no question there. But, a lot of these studies Kip is referring to are conducted in different regions and states and then all the data is compiled. It doesn't me its the gospel, it is simply stating the scientific aspects of deer movement patterns that have been collected. Again, they are still wild animals and can act differently based on region, habitat, pressure and dozens of other factors - which we are fully aware of. Best of luck this fall!!
On peeing in the woods, wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it myself. I was bear hunting in the Nez Perce Clearwater a couple weeks ago. Staying out all day, I'd need to relieve myself periodically. I picked a spot about 150 or 200 yards from my ground blind to pee. Just a random spot. Came back the next morning to see that it had been scraped to pieces. So I peed there some more that morning and early afternoon, only to hear a deer snorting and scraping my "urinal," and heard this every morning around 9 and every afternoon around 4:15 or 4:30 This pattern repeated the entire week. If it had been a one-off, I'd be "meh." But it happened every day, and the scrape got wider and deeper each day.
I piss a firehose of coffee, and fart heinous gas from a week of beer and eating chili, cabbage rolls, etc. at camp and still get deer walking through 20ft from me not a care in the world. I never use scent blockers/spray. Never really go out of my way to hide my silhouette. Be still, and be quite. When the forest settles and comes back to life around you, you know you're hidden. When mice, chipmunks, birds, are all in your close proximity you know you're doing it right. Ever fall asleep and when you wake up notice how much is going on around you, that's what you want when you're awake This year I had two grouse come clucking up within 5 feet of me, i finally moved slightly and they freaked out and drummed away
Got it…that’s why at 4:30am on this full moon cycle I saw 7 deer feeding in the field 🙄. Never see the “eyes” walking to my stand during new moon phases.
Purely anecdotal.... We have 3000 acres of farms lands and when harvest season comes, we can't be spending our time always going to the bathroom so we pee all over the fields when need be. We have plenty of whitetails still roaming around. Based on personal observation in my area, urine doesn't affect anything other than curiosity.Maybe they are just trying to figure out who was working that day! 🤷♂😂
I too agree with your conclusion about peeing in the woods! The only exception I think I'd add is not if you had Asparagus for dinner the night before!
As with many others! We're just trying to explain the research that the scientific community has compiled over the past few decades - in hopes to help educate hunters!
I've always love hunting in the rain ! I've seen some of the biggest bucks of the season in MONSOON rains ! Misty rain is the time for still hunting ! And another thing is PEE is PEE to deer ! It's doesn't bother them ! Sort of like a tree stand next to a road . The sounds of car's and trucks bothers you more then them ! I had a tree stand that every year I ether killed an buck from or missed one from ! The traffic sounded like it was going right under me it was so close to the road !
lol, I’ve been peeing off tree stands for 30+ years. Many times deer walk right over where it landed and or stopped to check it out. I have even wet a tree trunk at bow range and killed some very nice bucks smelling it. Urine is urine.
I ALWAYS make my own scrape by clearing some vegetation, the pee in the bare ground......does and bucks always visit it. I even pee out of my deer stand....and the deer just don't mind. Of course, I spend time in the woods year round......so they always have human smell around.
All hunting areas / dates are not the same. The moon might not make as much of a difference when the woods is quiet or low hunting pressure. Put on a weekend gun opener or snow on the ground in a high powered rifle state with heavy hunting pressure. I have counted over 50 shots in the area on opening day. If you have a full moon you will hear hardly any shots by the 3rd. They go nocturnal fast and hard. It's not as bad on a new moon especially if there is not any snow. Then again most people would not see as many deer so there would be less shooting.
I have found up in Michigan a new moon or even a lot of heavy cloud cover at night for extended periods tends to intensify rutting activity but the rut happens just about to the day every year regardless. This seems to be the case in Iowa too.... Also, I used to pee in scrapes & mock scrapes as well as out of my tree stand back in the early 80's & found that deer are often attracted to it & will open up scrapes around the scrape you peed in or ignore it when just peeing in your spot, but there were also times when they would freak out & disappear from the area or snort. I think it can vary on a persons personal body chemistry at the time, but most of the time it wasn't an issue so I will pee in my spot if I have to go.
Jeff from Whitetail Habitat Solutions also did a few videos on peeing in the woods. He made a mock scrape and peed on it, and monitored it. It attracted plenty of deer. The whole idea is that, with some very minor difference, urine is urine. A deer doesn't know whether it is deer urine, dog urine, human urine, etc. Most urine has a similar smell, especially after it has been on the ground for a few minutes, and any differences in smell that could possibly be based on dietary differences have dissipated. Watch the video titled; #1 Deer Hunting Myth Destroyed
@@Whitetail_Properties Y'all and Jeff both create great content. There are a lot of naysayers out there regarding topics like this, so having multiple reputable sources that have actually studied it and providing the results might help to break some of the bad habits out there. A lot of people worry way too much over things that wont matter. There is a lot of overthinking in the hunting world right now. I am glad that y'all are getting some of these myths out of the way. Keep up the good work.
I really don't take much account about that moon phase stuff either. Being at the right place at the right time... AND good old fashion LUCK! Luck has filled my freezer quite a few times! I'd rather be lucky than good!
Very few shows aired are behind a high fence. Most of them all deal with the same problems we do as far as neighbors, and trying to hold deer on there property. The accusation that all hunting shows are high fence, is entirely inaccurate and typically made by jealous people. Were all hunters, regardless of the hunting situation, Grow up.
Peeing in the deer woods CAN have an impact. On one of my hunts, I peed in a bottle and some deer I didn’t see or hear smelled it almost immediately. About two seconds after I started. All I heard was snorts and running. It may be fine to pee on a scout trip, but I will never pee during a hunt.
I went hunting in a thunderstorm, lighting, hard rain ect. It let up a little bit and 5 doe and a buck popped out out of blue. They were easily spooked though.
The Moon phases really only affect nocturnal animals as the closer to the full moon it is. It gets much much easier for animals to see in the dark. So the full moon is naturally going to make some animals more active and aware.
I’ve peed in an active scrape and covered it with leaves. Next morning the scrape was opened back up. 3 days in a row, same reaction. Then I covered the scrape without peeing in it with the same results. Someone spotlighted a nice 8 pointer and the scrapes were never opened again.
I appreciate your video and research it has helped many. After 40+ years of hunting I have had some of my best bucks taken in a nice light rain. I smoke a pipe and do not hesitate in the stand, many will argue with me but i have burnt my pipe and had very nice bucks come in and hang out to check it out cigarettes may be very different. As for the moon I have personally journaled the 4 phases of the moon, to the sides and overhead or below feet. When moon rise or go to feet they travel to feeding area and when it goes down they travel to secure areas to frolick or bed. 2 to 3 hours into a phase is peak activity. I have taken plenty of deer in areas that I peed yet i have watched several real quality bucks skirt around that same area so when horn hunting I take that extra precaution. This is just my lifetime observations and not to be taken otherwise. Regardless of weather, moon or how bad I gotta poop when I can hunt i do my best to stay all day as I learn something new every time. God Bless
40 years is more experience than most, and we appreciate that! Your journaling is very cool, and something more hunters should do! We agree, you learn something new every time you step foot in the woods. We think time spend hunting is by far the best teacher for any hunter! God Bless and good luck the rest of the season!
I was told the moon thing and also that deer will be out to feed the couple days before a big rain or snow storm to stock up so they don’t have to be out...
True when there a cold front coming in rain or snow they be on move come out early in am eat or min or late afternoon to eat before it cold they go lay down in pines wood or heavy brush area near field.i seen a lot deer on snowy days in mid afternoon toward 2to 5 when start get little dark coming out eat .
My brother and I have been arguing for 30 years about peeing out of your stand. I have actually peed on deer and elk walking under me. Doesn't make a bit of difference!
A different scent in the hunting woods sometimes work out for you. I had the smoke from a Thermocell’s attract deer. Watched them lip curl walking into the smoke and walk straight to me. Now if it’s a shooter deer that’s good. If it’s not a shooter, it’ll ruin your hunt. Because that non shooter will alarm the world of your presence..
When deer smell a NEW scent in their living space, they want to learn everything they can about WHY that new scent is there in that space. They also want to learn if it is being omitted by a dangerous source or a non-dangerous source. If they can determine that the new scent is mixed with human scent, they be GONE! Or - if it's coming from a liberal Democrat, they'll relocate to another county or another STATE if need be.
Fact. For 3 years my wife would pee in my favorite scrape and I had lots of bucks come to this scrape. This year because of covid she went to stay with parents with the kids in another country. Guess what. After peeing in it myself, putting down 2 different doe in heat lures, all I got in 8 weeks was one very small 8 pt to visit. And there were pleanty of bucks in the area because they were seen on the same cameras, same camera locations that have been there for 3 years. SO NO, their is a difference of what bucks will come to, just like us guys will go for different women. We like a certian type we go for it. LOL
If you are a bird hunter, watch the chickens. If you are a deer hunter, watch the cows. But my advice, hunt whenever you can, and whenever you want to.
Seen a friend take a krap on a lane one time ,he walked 150 yds to get away from it and after he did the deer came thru and sniffed it but he was too far away for a shotgun and slug to get a shot.
I'm not really sure if there ANY etched-in-stone facts about deer behavior. Hunted for decades in Lampasas, Texas, and eventually wouldn't bother if it was windy. They just didn't move much. Started hunting in Hamilton, Texas, just fifty miles north, wind didn't bother movement at all. The rut time between the two locations was also substantially different.
Several years ago , mid October I was hunting for a doe to put in my freezer and low and behold I got the urge to pee and knew I couldn't make it out in time to take care of business , so 20 feet up I decided to let it fly . No joke , it wasn't 10 minutes later and a shooter doe walked out and went straight to where I had urinated and put her nose down and was smelling right where I had went . She was not spooked at all so I drew back and put a perfect shot on her . She only ran 40 yards and piled up while I was watching the whole time. Needless to say , from that day on , if I had to pee , I did . Deer are a curious animal so if you gotta go , feel free !!!
26 year deer hunting nut here....I’ve never claimed to be an expert, but I can say that 7 to 10 days following the October full moon......buckle up. Bucks will be running after girls like a “last call” in a beer joint looking for a sleepover partner. This I know to be a fact. I hunt Oklahoma and it always cracks me up to hear hunters say it’s too windy to hunt. Deer are used to the wind. It’s true it lowers their senses but they still move.
A gentle, steady rain, accompanied by a moderate, constant breeze creates some of the finest deer hunting conditions I know, especially for still hunting.
Amen to that!
100%
Only way to get a good blacktail, no rut hunts here🤣...I do renew my faith making trips back in rut with my camera😆
I have seen the biggest weariest bucks during these conditions. It can be uncomfortable if you are in the open but the conditions are in your favor. The biggest ones will have their noses to the ground trying to pick up scent.
A shitty day outside is the best day outdoors
When is the best time to deer 🦌 hunt...whenever you can go is the best time!
Amen to that!
Precisely. As long as one is in the woods, they have a chance. Guarantee you'll have zero success sitting at home. for some reason hunters are obsessed with highest odds days, etc. Just relax and get out there and enjoy the experiences. Deer are killed at all hours of the day, in all weather types, at all times of the season.
Um... Any day that ends in y!!
@@zzz7zzz9 yeah except all the deer in my woods wait until whatever time I’m not out there
@@DoctorSess that’s the same deal for me
I have been a huge fisherman and hunter for a long time. I have kept a journal log of certain moon phases when I have caught a really large bass or killed a nice buck.I rarely see any deer after a full moon no matter what the weather conditions are. More than 75% of the time it was during a new moon or a small crescent moon and a few during the half-moon phase. It could just be a coincidence; however, I believe fronts definitely impact movement the most. This past year I killed a big 8 point during a new moon in November. It had been in the 60s all week and dropped to the high 30s that weekend. I saw 7 deer before I harvested the 8. I enjoy hearing different experiences and opinions.
We do too! Thank you for sharing what you have experienced in your time in the woods!
Dark NIGHTS!!
Deep sea fishing is terrible on the new moon phases. Was told by a captain of 60 years and 3rd generation fisherman. I also have fished enough to see that new moon equaled shity fishing.
For cod and haddock off of Gloucester, Massachusetts. Interesting stuff. Thanks for your information.
A cold front definitely gets them moving.
I enjoy hearing facts based on research. I’ve always disbelieved the moon phase junk, hunted the rain and pee out of my stand. I’ve also had numerous bucks/does under my stand scent checking my urine. Not once have they appeared nervous or busted me due to urine. Thanks Kip for stating what the research shows.
I was busted by two does as I was peeing in a bottle while in my tree stand. I never saw them, but they smelled me pretty quickly. SHHHEEW! SHHHEEW! And they were gone.
I have killed a few does within minutes of peeing from my Climber stand.. not a big issue.. just don't be seen peeing (movement)...lol
A light all day rain has always been a good day of hunting for me
Light rain events can certainly increase deer movement!
I’ve hunted for 30 yrs and it has always held true in my experience that the three days before the moon becomes full and the three days after a full moon I have seen a lot more deer than any other time
Yup moon sycle has always played a roll .maybe he can tag and study wild animals not fenced-in ones
@@patricksalazar7474 amen brother
Anecdotal I say. Science dispels these myths. Believe what makes you confident. Lot's of overkill when it comes to hunting. I have coughed in the woods and 5 minutes later a deer pulls up and I'm on public land. Explain that.
@@TomOnTheRun Science can only confirm what's measured before it. Age-old hunting traditions hold water in the regions they originate from.
Huh, I never knew that. Next season I'm gonna pay attention
I've peed in the woods less than 30 yards from where I was sitting. I've had deer come up to the spot 30 minutes later, sniff and continue on past me within shooting distance. I must say that it's usually does. But I'm equal opportunity. I'll take a big doe every time. Antlers are pretty, but don't make good stew.
They might not make good stew but you sure can stir the pot with them.
@@atthebrink74 A big spoon works better. I still have my first buck's rack hanging out in the garage. A basket six point. Very nice hat rack. I hauled that bad boy home in 1986. The winter months were quite enjoyable. My Granny cooked up deer steaks, chicken fried and smothered in onions, as often as I asked. Funny, she knew how to cook venison, but didn't like eating venison.
@MICHAEL York Tough too. As they say in my part of the country, "Tougher-n-Turkey lips."
No they don't. Antlers are as tough as Woodpecker lips!😎👍🤠
@@luketilley9137 Chicken fried deer steak on my plate smothered in fried onions and mushrooms with mashed taters, topped with gravy, and green beans out of the garden is a most appealing sight to behold. And most pleasing to the taste buds! Make a person get religion quick! Can I hear an "Amen"??
Thank you ,Great info.
Glad it was helpful!
4:35 Fred Trost demonstrated, more than 25 years ago, that deer, including bucks, will investigate human urine the same way they check the urine of other deer.
Whoever said the 30/30 isn’t a good gun for deer hunting either 1 can’t aim 2 was born year 2000 up
30/30 is a great gun for deer hunting in my opinion
It’s actually more than enough if a 243 will take one down
Old school calibers 30-30 , 303 British ,6.5x55 Sweedish , just name a few along with 30-06 these older calibers have harvested more game than all the fancy WSM OR WSSM calibers combined . I first hunted with .410 for my first buck , used 30-30 and 303 in my early yrs , went to 6.5x 55 shot 30-06 for decades now back to 6.5x55 sweede these cartridges are plenty to harvest white tails
EDIT - Old school guns still rule as well , no plastic , all metal and wood , Mauser Action is dear to my heart , Damm reliable , I currently hunt with a Commercially made Mauser Action rifle with monte carlo stock all wood and steel in 6.5x55 , just something about a well crafted rifle on budget price , Check out Zastava Rifles won't be disapointed
@@tmac3147 you’re completely right 4 seasons a goa I dropped a 165 3/8” bucks with my 243
I took a moce 3 point blacktailed buck at 30 yards with the ol dirty thirty. He dropped right in his tracks range and shot placment 30 30 will take 🐻 dont under estimate
“Give a man a fish, he can eat for a day; teach a man to fish, he’ll go broke.” - Rut Daniels, the legend
😂😂
Facts
true nowadays
🤣🤣🤣 So true...
“Teach a man to fish he’ll never be hungry, shoot a carp with a bow you’ll starve “ also from Rut😂
When I shop for a hunting scent, I always look for New Car Smell. Deer love it.
Clever.
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I have no idea what that means
@@gunners4129 He said it, right in the video. Maybe watch the video?
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I knew it!! I've been peeing in scrapes for years and have seen an increase in buck activity at the scrape. I think they come back more often trying to find the "other deer" that keeps peeing in his scrape. Thank you for this info, I'm going to go hunting tonight in the rain and give it a whirl
That's how I start all my mock scrapes.
I started pissing in the woods making mocks and we had three rubs on trees shortly after
@@schylerstone2320 ....I had to relieve myself the one morning during the rut and my boyfriend said go in that scrape. I did and no lie.... two mature bucks came strolling in around 7am and checked it out... he tagged the second buck. I was amazed !
@@mastercly4031 i believe it 😉
@@mastercly4031 prolly wishing he was there when u peed lol
I have peed in scraps for over 25 years. Deer scrape it out. Best part is I never have to put the lid down.
Biggest buck I ever shot was right after I had a leak and then lite up a smoke. Deer in farm areas see and smell humans/machinery (farmers) all the time and become accustom to it. If a farmer is working a 200 acre field and he has to take a leak he aint driving the tractor all the way back up to the house then back out again LOL.
My second year hunting I peed early in the morning and then moved further back into some pines. About 60 yards from my pee. In an hour, 2 doe walked right up to that area. I got a mature 7 year old doe that the DNR aged for me by cutting too see the teeth. Maybe bucks are different, but old bladders don't make for a comfortable hunt unless you empty them.
Kip is the best...has always done his research and has helped hunters nation wide. 👍🙏🦌
Amen!! We’re thankful to have him work with us!
I went out on a morning hunt in early November this year. I sat down in my shack a few minutes before shooting hours, and a light rain started. I thought to myself "damn. I'm not going to see a thing now." 15 minutes later a nice big 8 pt. stepped out, and I had an 18 yard shot. I couldn't believe it!!! That was the earliest I ever got a deer in any season since I have been hunting. I have been missing out on the rain hunts because of that rumor. Tracking was difficult. Even though I started right after I shot him, the blood washed away quickly. Luckily he only went about 40 yards and I found him right away.
Sounds like it made a believer out of you! Cool story, and congrats on the buck!!
@@Whitetail_Properties
Watching your video opened my eyes for sure! I am convinced that a lot of the things we hear as hunters are old wive's tales, or rumors designed to make us think we need to purchase scent lock clothing, deer urine, special camouflage and so many other products.
Awesome 👍
Seems like theirs about an hour window before a hard rain starts, and about the time it stops, when the deer really come alive!!
I learned that from ole Roger tagline back in the 90s!!
Right on! 41 years of hunting and experience told me the same things. Sudden large Storms will drive deer to cover.
On heavily pressured public land in SE PA, I use my own bottled urine in every mock scrape I make. And have the trail cam videos and photos to prove it attracts bucks of all ages. I even pour it on the licking branch and they lick and eat the leaves. Some bucks show up within hours of when I made the scrape. Letting your urine sit in an open bottle for a week turns it darker and makes it smell musky like buck urine. I'm convinced they smell testosterone and have no idea its human.
I've seen more bucks chasing does in New moons than full moons just my experience maybe I'm wrong but I'll stick to my own experiences.
Great advise.
4:48... ok but how many deer went for the Chevy?
First of all i love how clear and educational your video is. Secondly, literally 4 days ago, (the day after the full moon) i peed behind my stand and killed a doe at dusk. So there you go on that. Ive already clicked the sub button.
Thanks for watching, and the Sub!!
For 25 years I carried a hot water bottle in my backpack to haul out whiz thinking I've gone to all these extremes to de-scent myself and the stand sites, why even take the chance. A couple of spills in the pack and the stories a good friend would share about bucks of all ages not being alarmed and even checking the scrapes he was peeing in convinced me finally.
Looking into it, it turns out all mammalian testosterone is identical so you would be another buck, as well as urine being sterile inside you. I no longer have concerns about it other than aiming off the stand in a direction I have a clear lane to shoot. Actually had a grey fox repeatedly roll in it under the stand.
Spilled pee bottles would have been the end for us!! LOL
Yep! I make sure I do my best not to pee on my stand so I don’t get it on my when I pack up 😂
Yeah, we've been making scrapes with "home brew buck lure" for years. It works well to start a scrape.
I do too.I’ve read to pee in the scrapes.
A all day rain has always been my favorite time to hunt
If that doe is hot it don't matter if its hot cold, wet, dry, full moon or whatever that bucks ready lol . Daylight to dark if you can set that long helps. Thanks for your video buddy be safe.
Driving on covelo road (hwy 162. A winding, 30 Mile mountain road that goes from the main highway101 to our small town) on nights around a full moon, there's gonna be dozens of deer on the road. Locals know that so they know when to drive slow and carefully on the road. And on rainy days.
Good info!
Can’t argue with good data!
Amen!
Michigan outdoors years ago also used Ice Blue Aqua Velva. The bucks tasted that as well.
I always piss at my hunting spot
Opening day for crossbow in Maine tomorrow. Can't wait to take a big ol pee from my stand. 🤣 Have a great season everyone.
Lol!! Pee straight.. we mean.. shoot straight!! Good luck!
Forget about Penn State, I researched it myself, I’m big on being scent free but urine won’t bother deer and could attract them. I just got done peeing one time after rattling, a buck came and the wind changed so he was downwind but I still got em with a bow on the ground.
100% coyotes are attracted to human pee. I went coyote hunting before with my friend, before we went into the woods we both urinated next to my car and when we came back there were coyote tracks going all around my car literally 1 foot away circling.
Another thing I noticed through the years, I mostly hunt off the ground so when I get to say a big tree I clear a spot all the way around the tree from leafs and sticks incase I have to move around one side when a deer is coming. What I noticed is if I go back to that tree the next day there are deer tracks all over the bare spot I cleared. More than likely it’s due to deer having easy access to the soil. At first I was thinking it might be my cover spray (which it could) or salt coming off my body but the salt guess can’t be correct so it definitely has to do with getting at the soil. So a good tip is to clear small 3x3 ft soil patches by your stand. Not only will deer be attracted to it but it also acts as a cover scent because the smell of the soil is stronger than the smells of leafs and so on so it acts as a natural cover scent. But still got to be scent free unless you know exactly the trail the deer will take and your downwind...but that rarely happens where I hunt, deer use trails but if your calling or it’s the rut those buck can come from any direction and usually will if the area has any hunting pressure the buck will circle downwind.
Reason I say forget about Penn State is because they do research on deer that have zero hunting pressure so test can be false
I used to bowhunt several different private land sites for a total of 70 sits a year. Wind direction & your route to & from your sitting place has alot to do with it. Hunting more evenings & throwing in a morning hunt here & there in a location which has different terrain as far as cover worked for me. Being clean & quiet along with less movement will also help your success. The rain & wind r big factors rather than temp & barometer. I've found 🧊 fishing has more to do with barometer imo.
Walking during the rain & being setup in your 🌳 b4 the rain stops is a huge advantage. I had alot of success when the moon was between new & 1st quarter. Seemed to not have the effect on deer during the other phases. In fact the day after the 1st quarter moon all the way up to the time when the full moon is waning seem to affect the deer the same. However I've done a few full moon all day sits & have seen several animals like foxes moving @ high noon that I found interesting. Any way u can find a way to allow yourself to turn the odds in your favor slightly on a target animal is a good thing. But it's usually combining many different factors that all exist on one day that u must be out there. Like 2 years ago when Halloween was on Saturday the 31st. Then again a couple of weeks later on Saturday the 14th. Those r 2 deer movements I remember the most from the last 5 years.
Thanks for this very instructive information.
I regularly make mock scrapes by urinating in them -making sure that there is a licking branch or some sort of suspended vine or small limber limb-90 per cent of the time when i check a couple weeks later you can see that there has been activity
I don’t care about the moons effect on feeding, it’s the effect on rut timing.
We found that following the fishing patterns of fish feeding also translated to deer moving and feeding. Can you verify this.
We have not seen any data connecting the two. But we have heard from other viewers like yourself stating similar things.
Great Info Thank you for sharing!
Thanks for watching!
What about daylight hours? Do you have any data on habit changes based on reduced sunlight? Kinda like when chickens lay fewer eggs when the days get shorter.
The shorter days trigger the increase in testosterone in bucks, so they loose their velvet and summer coats and start "bulking up" for the fall. Testosterone continues to rise throughout October and November and remains high until the bucks loose their antlers.
I actually use my own pee in my mock scrape dripper and always have tons of bucks hit it
It works!
I was hunting in pike County Illinois last week
Had to pee stood up and let it fly out of my stand
A pretty decent 8 pointer walked under my stand not more than 10 minutes later and never responded at all.
I have actually been peeing in the deer woods for years and have never had a bad reaction to it
You were right here where the corporate office is! Good luck the rest of the season!
One major thing overlooked by 'scientific studies' that you've got to actually hunt A LOT of different sites (as in states, regions, etc) to understand...is that deer are a 'close territory animal'...most herds will stay on a 200 (or less) acre piece of land their whole life...so what is 'normal' for what you hunt may be insane for another area.
I grew up being told 'deer see movement', 'deer smell your urine', 'deer forage at full-moon night', 'deer don't look up unless they have experience being shot at from heights', etc. In reality, this is NOT ALWAYS TRUE! I found this out when I bought a remote land tract in 2000, scouted it heavily for the pre-season, lot of sign, no visuals (no good game cams back then, either), several scrapes, tons of rubs...figured 'not sure when they are here, but I'll make opening weekend out of figuring it out'...set up my stand the week before and left it...come in on opening morning pre-dawn, get set up...and was amazed at all the contradictions I observed that weekend. The day before was full moon, but they didn't start moving until 8am, zero wind made them nervous and antsy...first buck in looked directly at me (20-ft up a tree) and without flinching, ran off immediately...two does followed him, and did the same (tree-staring deer? interesting). This went on all weekend. I asked several who lived in the area what gives with the deer here, and they simply replied 'it's harder to hunt our deer than other places'...no other explanation given...made no sense, but convinced me that 'expert advice' for Ohio doesn't mean a THING in Missouri...and trying to 'follow expert advice' will lead you into eternal circles of confusion...not into a good deer steak!
We agree completely that different regions, states, counties and even individual farms can all hunt differently for a multitude of reasons- theres no question there. But, a lot of these studies Kip is referring to are conducted in different regions and states and then all the data is compiled. It doesn't me its the gospel, it is simply stating the scientific aspects of deer movement patterns that have been collected. Again, they are still wild animals and can act differently based on region, habitat, pressure and dozens of other factors - which we are fully aware of. Best of luck this fall!!
On peeing in the woods, wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it myself. I was bear hunting in the Nez Perce Clearwater a couple weeks ago. Staying out all day, I'd need to relieve myself periodically. I picked a spot about 150 or 200 yards from my ground blind to pee. Just a random spot. Came back the next morning to see that it had been scraped to pieces. So I peed there some more that morning and early afternoon, only to hear a deer snorting and scraping my "urinal," and heard this every morning around 9 and every afternoon around 4:15 or 4:30 This pattern repeated the entire week.
If it had been a one-off, I'd be "meh." But it happened every day, and the scrape got wider and deeper each day.
Pretty cool to have that observed evidence!
I piss a firehose of coffee, and fart heinous gas from a week of beer and eating chili, cabbage rolls, etc. at camp and still get deer walking through 20ft from me not a care in the world. I never use scent blockers/spray. Never really go out of my way to hide my silhouette. Be still, and be quite. When the forest settles and comes back to life around you, you know you're hidden. When mice, chipmunks, birds, are all in your close proximity you know you're doing it right. Ever fall asleep and when you wake up notice how much is going on around you, that's what you want when you're awake
This year I had two grouse come clucking up within 5 feet of me, i finally moved slightly and they freaked out and drummed away
Got it…that’s why at 4:30am on this full moon cycle I saw 7 deer feeding in the field 🙄. Never see the “eyes” walking to my stand during new moon phases.
Im like a dog marking territory as i walk around. 😆
Thank you sir... I peed 3 times today... you make me feel TOMARROW IS MY DAY LOL
Just stay in your stand during full moon nights
Get one everytime
Purely anecdotal.... We have 3000 acres of farms lands and when harvest season comes, we can't be spending our time always going to the bathroom so we pee all over the fields when need be. We have plenty of whitetails still roaming around.
Based on personal observation in my area, urine doesn't affect anything other than curiosity.Maybe they are just trying to figure out who was working that day! 🤷♂😂
Lol! You are correct, it doesn't bother them at all, and if anything makes them more curious. Research has proven that.
Great video!
I love how you use science from university studies as the source for your claims. Well done, sir. Well done!
🙏🏻🙏🏻 thanks for watching!!
I too agree with your conclusion about peeing in the woods! The only exception I think I'd add is not if you had Asparagus for dinner the night before!
LOL! Now thats funny!
@@Whitetail_Properties Thanks, yes I always try to add humor to my comments and to my channel whenever possible!
The Peter Griffin in me: Woah, woah, woah! But what about the New Car smell?
Ive got to watch this video a few times bc some of these things this man talks about to do/not do are ingrained in me! Lol
As with many others! We're just trying to explain the research that the scientific community has compiled over the past few decades - in hopes to help educate hunters!
A deer is any animal that comprises the family Cervidae, there are about 62 extant species placed into about 20 genera:
Family: Cervidae (Deer)
• Subfamily: Odocoileinae (New World Deer)
•• Tribe: Odocoileini (Nearctic Deer)
••• Genus: Odocoileus (Modern Nearctic Deer)
•••• Species: Odocoileus Hemonius (Mule Deer)
•••• Species: Odocoileus Columbianus (Black-Tailed Deer)
•••• Species: Odocoileus Virginianus (White-Tailed Deer)
•• Tribe: Ozotocerotini (Neotropical Deer)
••• Subtribe: Mazamina (Lesser Neotropical Deer)
•••• Genus: Mazama (Brockets)
••••• Species: Mazama Americana (Red Brocket)
••••• Species: Mazama Gouazoubira (Brown Brocket)
••••• Species: Mazama Nemorivaga (Small Brown Brocket)
••••• Species: Mazama Bororo (Small Red Brocket)
••••• Species: Mazama Nana (Pygmy Brocket)
••••• Species: Mazama Chunyi (Dwarf Brocket)
••••• Species: Mazama Bricenii (Merida Brocket)
••••• Species: Mazama Tienhoveni (Fair Brocket)
••••• Species: Mazama Rufina (Ecuador Brocket)
••••• Species: Mazama Zetta (Colombian Brocket)
••••• Species: Mazama Temama (Central American Brocket)
••••• Species: Mazama Pandora (Yucatan Brocket)
•••• Genus: Pudu (Pudus)
••••• Species: Pudu Puda (Southern Pudu)
••••• Species: Pudu Mephistopheles (Northern Pudu)
••• Subtribe: Ozotocerotina (Greater Neotropical Deer)
•••• Genus: Blastocerus (Marsh Deer)
••••• Species: Blastocerus Dichotomus (Marsh Deer)
•••• Genus: Ozotoceros (Pampas Deer)
••••• Species: Ozotoceros Bezoarticus (Pampas Deer)
•••• Genus: Hippocamelus (Andean Deer)
••••• Species: Hippocamelus Bisulcus (South Andean Deer)
••••• Species: Hippocamelus Antisensis (North Andean Deer)
• Subfamily: Cervinae (Old World Deer)
•• Tribe: Muntiacini (Muntjacs and Tufted Deer)
••• Genus: Elaphodus (Tufted Deer)
•••• Species: Elaphodus Cephalophus (Tufted Deer)
••• Genus: Muntiacus (Muntjacs)
•••• Species: Muntiacus Muntjak (Indian Muntjac)
•••• Species: Muntiacus Srilankensis (Sri Lanka Muntjac)
•••• Species: Muntiacus Malabaricus (Malabar Muntjac)
•••• Species: Muntiacus Reevesi (Chinese Muntjac)
•••• Species: Muntiacus Crinifrons (Hairy-Fronted Muntjac)
•••• Species: Muntiacus Gongshanensis (Gongshan Muntjac)
•••• Species: Muntiacus Putaoensis (Leaf Muntjac)
•••• Species: Muntiacus Feae (Fea’s Muntjac)
•••• Species: Muntiacus Puhoatensis (Pu Hoat Muntjac)
•••• Species: Muntiacus Rooseveltorum (Roosevelt’s Muntjac)
•••• Species: Muntiacus Truongsonensis (Truong Son Muntjac)
•••• Species: Muntiacus Vuquangensis (Giant Muntjac)
•••• Species: Muntiacus Nigripes (Black-Footed Muntjac)
•••• Species: Muntiacus Grandicornis (Burmese Muntjac)
•••• Species: Muntiacus Montanas (Sumatran Muntjac)
•• Tribe: Rangiferini (Caribou and Fossil Relatives)
••• Genus: Rangifer (Caribou)
•••• Species: Rangifer Tarandus (Caribou)
•• Tribe: Capreolini (Roe Deer and Moose)
••• Subtribe: Capreolina (Roe Deer and Fossil Relatives)
•••• Genus: Capreolus (Roe Deer)
••••• Species: Capreolus Capreolus (Western Roe Deer)
••••• Species: Capreolus Pygargus (Eastern Roe Deer)
••• Subtribe: Alcina (Moose and Fossil Relatives)
•••• Genus: Alces (Moose)
••••• Species: Alces Alces (Moose)
•• Tribe: Megalocerotini (Fallow Deer, Hog Deer, Chitals, and Sika Deer)
••• Subtribe: Damina (Fallow Deer and Fossil Relatives)
•••• Genus: Dama (Fallow Deer)
••••• Species: Dama Dama (Eurasian Fallow Deer)
••••• Species: Dama Mesopotamia (Persian Fallow Deer)
••• Subtribe: Axidina (Chitals, Hog Deer, and Sika Deer)
•••• Genus: Axis (Chitals)
••••• Species: Axis Axis (Indian Chital)
••••• Species: Axis Ceylonensis (Sri Lanka Chital)
•••• Genus: Hyelaphus (Hog Deer)
••••• Species: Hyelaphus Porcinus (Indian Hog Deer)
••••• Species: Hyelaphus Kuhlii (Kuhl’s Hog Deer)
••••• Species: Hyelaphus Calamianensis (Calamian Hog Deer)
•••• Genus: Ocellelaphus (Sika Deer)
••••• Species: Ocellelaphus Nippon (Sika Deer)
•• Tribe: Cervini (Common Deer, Père David's Deer, Thorold's Deer, Rusas, Swamp Deer, and Eld's Deer)
••• Subtribe: Rusina (Rusas, Swamp Deer, and Eld's Deer)
•••• Genus: Rucervus (Swamp Deer and Eld's Deer)
••••• Species: Rucervus Duvaucelii (Swamp Deer)
••••• Species: Rucervus Eldii (Eld’s Deer)
•••• Genus: Rusa (Rusas)
••••• Species: Rusa Unicolor (Sambar)
••••• Species: Rusa Timorensis (Sunda Deer)
••••• Species: Rusa Marianna (Palawan Deer)
••••• Species: Rusa Alfredi (Visayan Spotted Deer)
••• Subtribe: Cervina (Common Deer, Père David's Deer, and Thorold's Deer)
•••• Genus: Cervus (Common Deer)
••••• Species: Cervus Elaphus (Red Deer)
••••• Species: Cervus Corsicanus (Corsican Deer)
••••• Species: Cervus Barbarus (Barbary Deer)
••••• Species: Cervus Hanglu (Bactrian Deer)
••••• Species: Cervus Canadensis (Elk)
•••• Genus: Przewalskium (Thorold's Deer)
••••• Species: Przewalskium Albirostris (Thorold's Deer)
•••• Genus: Elaphurus (Père David's Deer)
••••• Species: Elaphurus Davidianus (Père David's Deer)
So the absolute lack of deer this weekend after the full moon, where I've been seeing them every morning before, was coincidence?
According to the data, yes.
@@Whitetail_Properties well you are the science, I'll believe you.
@@Whitetail_Properties jokes aside. Thanks for the reply. I appreciate any and all videos to learn from, being a new hunter.
whever i wizz in front of my trailcams i always get more pictures of wildlife. lol
Thanks for the information
T.Y.its a learning process i enjoyed it!
Thanks again!
I've always love hunting in the rain ! I've seen some of the biggest bucks of the season in MONSOON rains ! Misty rain is the time for still hunting ! And another thing is PEE is PEE to deer ! It's doesn't bother them ! Sort of like a tree stand next to a road . The sounds of car's and trucks bothers you more then them ! I had a tree stand that every year I ether killed an buck from or missed one from ! The traffic sounded like it was going right under me it was so close to the road !
Rain events are great times to hunt! And we agree with the road noise thing, bothers us more than them for sure!
lol, I’ve been peeing off tree stands for 30+ years. Many times deer walk right over where it landed and or stopped to check it out. I have even wet a tree trunk at bow range and killed some very nice bucks smelling it. Urine is urine.
I ALWAYS make my own scrape by clearing some vegetation, the pee in the bare ground......does and bucks always visit it. I even pee out of my deer stand....and the deer just don't mind. Of course, I spend time in the woods year round......so they always have human smell around.
All hunting areas / dates are not the same. The moon might not make as much of a difference when the woods is quiet or low hunting pressure. Put on a weekend gun opener or snow on the ground in a high powered rifle state with heavy hunting pressure. I have counted over 50 shots in the area on opening day. If you have a full moon you will hear hardly any shots by the 3rd. They go nocturnal fast and hard. It's not as bad on a new moon especially if there is not any snow. Then again most people would not see as many deer so there would be less shooting.
I have found up in Michigan a new moon or even a lot of heavy cloud cover at night for extended periods tends to intensify rutting activity but the rut happens just about to the day every year regardless. This seems to be the case in Iowa too.... Also, I used to pee in scrapes & mock scrapes as well as out of my tree stand back in the early 80's & found that deer are often attracted to it & will open up scrapes around the scrape you peed in or ignore it when just peeing in your spot, but there were also times when they would freak out & disappear from the area or snort. I think it can vary on a persons personal body chemistry at the time, but most of the time it wasn't an issue so I will pee in my spot if I have to go.
No mention of pooping in the woods...
Nope, but if you gotta go you gotta go.. lol
Jeff from Whitetail Habitat Solutions also did a few videos on peeing in the woods. He made a mock scrape and peed on it, and monitored it. It attracted plenty of deer. The whole idea is that, with some very minor difference, urine is urine. A deer doesn't know whether it is deer urine, dog urine, human urine, etc. Most urine has a similar smell, especially after it has been on the ground for a few minutes, and any differences in smell that could possibly be based on dietary differences have dissipated.
Watch the video titled;
#1 Deer Hunting Myth Destroyed
That is correct! We have seen the video and Jeff was spot on! He has some great content over there too!!
@@Whitetail_Properties Y'all and Jeff both create great content. There are a lot of naysayers out there regarding topics like this, so having multiple reputable sources that have actually studied it and providing the results might help to break some of the bad habits out there. A lot of people worry way too much over things that wont matter. There is a lot of overthinking in the hunting world right now. I am glad that y'all are getting some of these myths out of the way. Keep up the good work.
@@johningersoll3931 Agreed! We appreciate the positive feedback and will continue trying to help inform and educate!!
Deer seem to move earlier on rainy afternoons. Maybe because it’s darker or because a cold front is moving in.
Where I’m at in this types of conditions seems like I see more deer.
Always hunt the wind,,and don’t watch hunting shows,,they are hunting deer in a pen
Penn state
Facts !
I really don't take much account about that moon phase stuff either. Being at the right place at the right time...
AND good old fashion LUCK! Luck has filled my freezer quite a few times! I'd rather be lucky than good!
I only watch meateater best legit hunting show
Very few shows aired are behind a high fence. Most of them all deal with the same problems we do as far as neighbors, and trying to hold deer on there property. The accusation that all hunting shows are high fence, is entirely inaccurate and typically made by jealous people. Were all hunters, regardless of the hunting situation, Grow up.
Peeing in the deer woods CAN have an impact. On one of my hunts, I peed in a bottle and some deer I didn’t see or hear smelled it almost immediately. About two seconds after I started. All I heard was snorts and running. It may be fine to pee on a scout trip, but I will never pee during a hunt.
So you're telling me that I have been wasting money on lures all these years? All I needed to do was just use my own piss in the dispensers? 🤣
Kinda..
I went hunting in a thunderstorm, lighting, hard rain ect. It let up a little bit and 5 doe and a buck popped out out of blue. They were easily spooked though.
The Moon phases really only affect nocturnal animals as the closer to the full moon it is. It gets much much easier for animals to see in the dark. So the full moon is naturally going to make some animals more active and aware.
Especially predators.. easy pickins
Full moon days I have seen the deer bed down in the morning and move midday more
I’ve peed in an active scrape and covered it with leaves. Next morning the scrape was opened back up. 3 days in a row, same reaction. Then I covered the scrape without peeing in it with the same results. Someone spotlighted a nice 8 pointer and the scrapes were never opened again.
I appreciate your video and research it has helped many. After 40+ years of hunting I have had some of my best bucks taken in a nice light rain. I smoke a pipe and do not hesitate in the stand, many will argue with me but i have burnt my pipe and had very nice bucks come in and hang out to check it out cigarettes may be very different. As for the moon I have personally journaled the 4 phases of the moon, to the sides and overhead or below feet. When moon rise or go to feet they travel to feeding area and when it goes down they travel to secure areas to frolick or bed. 2 to 3 hours into a phase is peak activity. I have taken plenty of deer in areas that I peed yet i have watched several real quality bucks skirt around that same area so when horn hunting I take that extra precaution. This is just my lifetime observations and not to be taken otherwise. Regardless of weather, moon or how bad I gotta poop when I can hunt i do my best to stay all day as I learn something new every time. God Bless
40 years is more experience than most, and we appreciate that! Your journaling is very cool, and something more hunters should do! We agree, you learn something new every time you step foot in the woods. We think time spend hunting is by far the best teacher for any hunter! God Bless and good luck the rest of the season!
Wish the provide links to support some statements or Penn State studies. Would love to read them.
The studies are posted on penn states website. We apologize we should have linked them.
I was told the moon thing and also that deer will be out to feed the couple days before a big rain or snow storm to stock up so they don’t have to be out...
True when there a cold front coming in rain or snow they be on move come out early in am eat or min or late afternoon to eat before it cold they go lay down in pines wood or heavy brush area near field.i seen a lot deer on snowy days in mid afternoon toward 2to 5 when start get little dark coming out eat .
My goodness I didn't know you had a RUclips channel?? I only ever seen you on Instagram 🤔
When you get my age, you don't concern yourself with WHERE you are peeing. DEPENDS solves that problem.
My brother and I have been arguing for 30 years about peeing out of your stand. I have actually peed on deer and elk walking under me. Doesn't make a bit of difference!
Nope! Sure doesn't!
A different scent in the hunting woods sometimes work out for you. I had the smoke from a Thermocell’s attract deer. Watched them lip curl walking into the smoke and walk straight to me.
Now if it’s a shooter deer that’s good. If it’s not a shooter, it’ll ruin your hunt. Because that non shooter will alarm the world of your presence..
When deer smell a NEW scent in their living space, they want to learn everything they can about WHY that new scent is there in that space. They also want to learn if it is being omitted by a dangerous source or a non-dangerous source. If they can determine that the new scent is mixed with human scent, they be GONE! Or - if it's coming from a liberal Democrat, they'll relocate to another county or another STATE if need be.
Does the rain-movement-thing apply to snowfall?
Yes precipitation in general!
Fact. For 3 years my wife would pee in my favorite scrape and I had lots of bucks come to this scrape. This year because of covid she went to stay with parents with the kids in another country. Guess what. After peeing in it myself, putting down 2 different doe in heat lures, all I got in 8 weeks was one very small 8 pt to visit. And there were pleanty of bucks in the area because they were seen on the same cameras, same camera locations that have been there for 3 years. SO NO, their is a difference of what bucks will come to, just like us guys will go for different women. We like a certian type we go for it. LOL
We had a full moon on our opening weekend .it was the first time noone on the property shot a deer on opening weekend.
Thats all the proof I need!
Except the moon does effect deer movement. Not so much if they move but when they move.
I do agree with you about barometric pressure. It just doesn't affects dear, but I've noticed it affects other animals as well, including dogs.
It definitely affects turkeys big time
If you are a bird hunter, watch the chickens. If you are a deer hunter, watch the cows. But my advice, hunt whenever you can, and whenever you want to.
Nice job 👍
Now how about addressing the rut as it pertains to moon phases ??
👍👍👍🦌 spot on fellow Hunter
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Seen a friend take a krap on a lane one time ,he walked 150 yds to get away from it and after he did the deer came thru and sniffed it but he was too far away for a shotgun and slug to get a shot.
I'm not really sure if there ANY etched-in-stone facts about deer behavior. Hunted for decades in Lampasas, Texas, and eventually wouldn't bother if it was windy. They just didn't move much. Started hunting in Hamilton, Texas, just fifty miles north, wind didn't bother movement at all. The rut time between the two locations was also substantially different.
Interesting for sure! Kip is simply taking the data from researches across the country and breaking it down for hunters.
Good stuff, thanks 🙏🏻
Several years ago , mid October I was hunting for a doe to put in my freezer and low and behold I got the urge to pee and knew I couldn't make it out in time to take care of business , so 20 feet up I decided to let it fly . No joke , it wasn't 10 minutes later and a shooter doe walked out and went straight to where I had urinated and put her nose down and was smelling right where I had went . She was not spooked at all so I drew back and put a perfect shot on her . She only ran 40 yards and piled up while I was watching the whole time. Needless to say , from that day on , if I had to pee , I did . Deer are a curious animal so if you gotta go , feel free !!!
26 year deer hunting nut here....I’ve never claimed to be an expert, but I can say that 7 to 10 days following the October full moon......buckle up. Bucks will be running after girls like a “last call” in a beer joint looking for a sleepover partner. This I know to be a fact. I hunt Oklahoma and it always cracks me up to hear hunters say it’s too windy to hunt. Deer are used to the wind. It’s true it lowers their senses but they still move.
Love the feedback thank you! Good luck this season!
Heck, I hang scent bombs with my #1. They like it.
My dad always told me to be read when we went hunting in the rain
I pee in the woods all the time! Whoever later sits in whatever shooting house I was in doesn't appreciate it though....🤣🤣
I pee in all mock scrapes and it works better then most scrape attractants
Lol. I’m not the only one
You just blew my myth about the rain I always thought they was laying down in the rain
They move more..your scent is limited
Best time to hunt is in the rain imo, smoked a nice doe while it was pouring on my head this year.
I have a friend who will pee in a deer scrape in a heartbeat, says i'm gonna blow his mind.