Decreased landing recovery for climbers. Adjusted height of the mountain....making climbers have easier time. Fixed bug where facilities were not showing up Fixed bug where clouds ruined view
I think he's just using poor English and probably means "that loss is more because I ACTIVELY lost, more than it is because you ACTIVELY won", because there is a difference.
The Scrublords Prayer: My controls weren’t working And if they were, you were playing dishonorably And if you weren’t, you were playing without skill And if you were, it’s not fun to play that way. And if it is, you only care about winning.
Damn that Diego Umejuarez, why does he have to practice and actually know how to play the game. If he really knew how to play Street Fighter he'd jus mindlessly mash buttons like me.
17:46 That argument makes no sense. Paraphrase: "Fighting games are about fighting. Not using game mechanics to punish people." So if this dude got into a real fight, what's he gonna do, try and defy the laws of physics to win the fight? What's he gonna do if someone punches him? Take the blow to the face instead of dodging and hitting the guy back?
Ikr? It's like the guy hasn't watched real fighting either. Countering your opponent is a good way to get knock outs. All jokes aside some of the basic concepts in combat sports apply in fighting games and vice versa
I think his idea of a fight is two people standing right next to each other and swinging their limbs at each other until one gets tired and falls down.
The whole argument that this last dude has falls apart so fast when you think about it. If you get upset at someone actually practicing and getting better because it means you can't hop in and have casual fun then it means that casual fun to you is winning, and if you're upset that you can't win because other people are practicing and getting better while you want to win in a competitive game without putting in any work at all then that just makes you lazy.
I would not completely agree with you on that. I think it depends on the game, for example I don't think there is a reson to master party games. For some people party games are meant to be play half-hazardly with not much effort because the chaos of not having a practied plan is what makes the game fun. I tried mastering the mini games for Pummel Party and I killed the game for my friends because now I win almost all the mini games defeting the point of casual gaming that comes with the name "party" no one wants to be stressed at a party.
@@omnicrest4073 "No one wants to be stressed at a party" - why stressed? If the best player keeps winning, does that mean everyone stops having fun? It's possible to play for fun, NOT WIN, and still have fun. This is what the last guy, and you, don't seem to get
Amen brother, I'm a strictly casual SFV player and i absolutely do not mind getting washed. To me simply getting to play a game is fun enough. I have never gotten mad at a loss in any fighting game because i was never good at any fighting game and getting perfect execution on a combo or attempting a comeback only to fall short is just as fun to me as winning.
@Deehan Its certainly more palatable. But you can still learn a lot from getting your butt handed to you. I had a Jhin main tan my hide for a solid 2 hours yesterday but now I know a ton about the matchup i didnt before. So the next time I play him ill do a little better and if I keep that up long enough, I might even be able to beat him someday. The thing is though im better now, than I was when i started and thats progress. Which is more important than a win or the skill gap between me and my opponent.
@@FiveStringC note the condition, you can't learn against other player because you don't have time to do anything, it is a game where you train against bots until you learn an infinite combo and the use it on other players
Something I just realized about motion inputs is that they're a solution in fighting games to the problem of accessing a movelist that's bigger than the available amount of buttons, which every other genre solves by menuing.
Yep, it's actually really smart design in many ways. Granted, that guy's argument has lots of truth to it too - in most other genres motion inputs would be considered as maddening, and there are arguments to be made that many fighting games have bloated move lists to begin with. I agree with some of the core points, but his his mistake is thinking that motion inputs are inherently bad. Both solutions have pros and cons.
"Playing the framerate": They probably meant people keep abusing frame-data or frame-advantage. Like they think people looking into the frame-data or frame-advantage removes the fun or challenge or some crap. lol
I thought it was more of like, what DSP says, when he accuses people to doing stuff that somehow works better because of lag, and that the opponent knows when it's going to lag, and does it everytime, instead of him just being bad.
@@Fatboyftw32 Bruh, one more paragraph and you could've expertly written a screenplay/comedy skit about Phil's "lag rants" when he goes into absolutely *unnecessary* explanations. XD
Came here for scrubby salt sayings, left with an educational and cautionary tale of the highest freakin mountain in the British Isles. This is the elite quality JMcontent we all know and love
The skill based matchmaking debate really picked up in first person shooters when it was found out that major developers were intentionally messing with matchups to help encourage getting DLC. The people who complained the loudest were the ones who wanted to go 30-1 KDA and run around stomping noobs feeling awesome about carrying the game it felt like.
I’ve gotten so many messages from DBFZ players and one of my favorites was that I in fact “Corner Spammed” what does that even mean like just block my guy
@@taco_sensei Leffen's a Smash player so he doesn't know grab teching is a thing in other games. He might also have residual salt from eating headbutt loops from Ice Climber players in the Melee days where that tactic was super cheese. Leffen's opinion on Tekken should be taken with salt anyway since he started with Katarina and made it to Green ranks but couldn't make it out of Light Blues when he tried switching to Hwoarang.
@@taco_sensei throws in tekken are generally cheese from what i understand though. As in they are effective against lower levels players but almost never work against experienced players that are practiced to react and recognise which hand is extended to break the throw. Cheese doesnt mean something is too good but is something that generally only works against players who arent prepared for it.
"U only won cause I lost" is honestly very true. It's not really about making the better moves to win, it's more about making less bad moves than your opponent.
I had a friend who is LITERALLY the worst fighting game player of all time. Mechanically he's pretty weak but it's his knowledge, attitude, and plain raging which really sets things apart. ---------------- - He plays ONLY the final boss character of a fighting game because he thinks they're clearly the best and why would anyone want to play anything else. - He uses ONLY a single move in a character's kit, because he thinks that if it's their best move then it'll always be their best move in every situation and should just try and DPS with it as best he can. Any time spent not using this move is wasted time he could have been using that move. - He thinks that blocking is actually useless because all it does is waste time and make you take free chip damage. - He at one point said that jumping was overpowered and needed to be removed... He later took it back and admitted he was overreacting... But then immediately followed it with: "But... if I press 4 buttons to attack and you just press one and completely counter it, you have to admit that's a little cheap!" - Also on a less scrubby just plain bad note, he thought he discovered a secret tech when he found out you didn't have to return your controls to neutral in between each direction to shoot a fireball in Street Fighter (before then he was literally tapping down, then down-forwards, then forwards on the D-Pad to do so, which honestly amazes me more than amuses me.. he actually managed to shoot them like *that* for a full year.) ---------------- He's 26 years old and has been playing various Fighting Games for over 6 years. Mainly USF4 (mains Seth's Sonic Boom), Pokken (mains SM2's 6Y), and SoulCalibur6 (mains Nightmare's 6AA). Refused to play SmashBros because their final bosses aren't playable so he could never be sure who to pick.
The reason most hate SBM is not cause of facing try hardy people, but that Try Hardy people will sandbag to face Newbs to make themselves feel like gods.
i can understand where the last guy is coming from, he seemed mad that people were becoming masters *too quickly* rather than the fact that they became masters. the part where he says BRs like this were losing popularity is just wrong, but it can be frustrating to see some player with a Twitch name dumpster you because he/she can dedicate as much time as they please. he's annoyed because it seems like the rate of people getting better is something he cant catch up to with the time he has. this is especially true when he perceives Fall Guys as a "party game" so being a tryhard goes against the spirit of the game. he should just play a non-competitive game, but i wanted to put my thoughts out there.
I believe you're wrong on the definition of a scrub, JM. The official definition is that they are: "A guy who thinks he's fly, and is also known as a busta"
*old man voice* when i started playing Q3 online there was no matchmaking. but you had more or less permanent servers where u got to know the people. i can't remember how many times we just did some 'casual' matches or did training/goofy stuff. matchmaking wasn't really required. i guess the 'playing with randoms' made it useful tho
Fun fact: some people claim the word “scrub” comes from the fighting game community originally, meaning someone who just “scrubs” the arcade buttons when playing, aka a button masher. But the definition you gave is spot on.
My favorite one comes from a comment that I saw while I was watching dbfz evo finals and some guys were arguing saying go1 was bad and just won because he spammed block
My personal favorite quotes both come from the same person, Quote #1 : The way the pro's play is disgusting absolutely no fun moments of gameplay just two people trying to get combos off. No overcharges, a total of 2 guard changes, and basic sqaure/triangle combinations Quote #2 : In terms of mechanics and characters it' balanced. But I honestly don't believe the game is that balanced. It highly favors better players. That to me isn't a balanced game. Reading these quotes was one of the best laughs that I had in a long time at that point. God bless Scrubquotes.
The "You only won cause i lost", i think i know what he meant. My Football coach used to say "They didnt win, you lost", as in, due to us making so many mistakes, we caused our loss even if we were a better or more skilled team. Like, when you miss input the reversal that could have both saved you and give you the win. Is about you failing. So, dont look at it from the perspective of logic, is more about self improvement and being strict with yourself. And it isnt about minimizing the effort of the oponent, it really isnt. Is about that old minset where you are very tough and strict with yourself.
@@nixx7912 That's a different story. Salty people do many things. The point was, the phrase itself is not scrubby. It is legit used and. Said by coaches.
"You only won, because my character is bad" This is common especially in DBFZ, where you can pick 3 character and the chances you pick bad character is above 10%
Its even more hilarious, because unless you're tip top of the pros, the tier lists don't mean shit anyways. They only apply to the people that can use those characters to the fullest. Aside from Videl, she really is kinda bad lol
even in real fighting the goal is to read your opponent and capitalize on their mistakes with your knowledge of the rules of the sport xD poor guy doesn't even know what basic competition is about
Laziest thing I ever heard, people are apparently 'sweats' for trying to get better at a game they enjoy. And this ruins his fun. Hell of an attitude to face life with. Absolutely amazing....😣
"Fighting games are about fighting each other, not waiting for your opponent to make a technical error so you can use your internal knowledge of the game's internal systems to punish them." i like how this guy thinks that the optimal time to attack your opponent is not when they have made a mistake, no. the optimal moment to advance is when they are _being competent._ that makes sense.
all games, possibly even all human conflict, are about maneuvering your opponent into a position of weakness, while preventing him from doing the same to you. that guy may have come up the most severely incorrect statement in the history of language.
The dude complaining about the "framerate and counterattack" : Sees an MMA fight : Pffff, they just use knowledge, it's not even a fight Sees two drunk dudes getting at it in the streets : PERFECT
About "U only won because I lost", it's funny because time ago it seemed to me that Rafa Nadal (the tennis player) had a very long streak of no losses. He either was winning or, as soon as he realized he was going to loose, he would drop the match claiming some physical issue or whatever. Or at least it looked so to me. That sentence perfectly describes the idea that I was having of Rafa Nadal. 😊
@@santa5628 There's a shoto-like character in Fantasy Strike, and he's named Grave. The Fartcloud is his hadoken, and the scrub was basically complaining about "Projectile spam".
-dude u should of just done ur research lmfao , nerf mountain way too much health -Art is not all about realism , i do like the look of the left picture better but van gogh was around in the 19th century , the left picture was painted in the 1960s. -Skilled based matchmaking is one of the best decisions made in the gaming industry -"its a fighting game , no skill required mash buttons and win , exciting." I hate this so much because most people who dont play fighting games think you just mash buttons to win. Thats not how it fucking works m8 , you actually have to know what your moves do and how to execute them , anyone who has tried to beat me by mashing buttons has failed horribly , fighting games are harder than people think , infact they're the hardest genre of gaming in my opinion. -This guy is a god damn legend -People who complain about rushdown in fighting games are the same ones who complain about long range play in shooting games , its the way the game is meant to be played. -z e r o g a r b -Honestly , if a quarter circle is too complex for you , just push down and then swing your stick to forward instead because thats literally what a quarter circle is. -I'm not a huge fan of overly defensive play either but daigo's parry is extremely hard to pull off and i personally respect it. -I hate to say it but i agree with this guy , people nowadays are too overly sweaty in party games , i get the sweatiness in actual competitive genres like shooting and fighting games but why people gotta ruin people days on games like fall guys? Fall guys is a casual game , for casual players to enjoy themselves. If you wanna sweat go play some overwatch , go play some guilty gear , just dont barrage a party game with a tryhard mindset
I'm pretty sure Dark Souls has no skillbased matchmaking and the game is better because of it. When you play co-op helping newer players beat the bosses, maybe one in ten times you'll be invaded by a human player, and you never know how dangerous they'll be. Sometimes they execute a perfect dead-angle glitch to ignore your shield defense, sometimes they fall off a cliff.
Ive only ever gotten invaded by the guy with a hat youve never seen before who destroys you so fucking hard the framerate of the game gets permanently worse even if you do a fresh reinstall.
I have a unhealthy way of being a new street fighter player my cousin beat me and I got mad and said he did not deserve it. Thank you for encouraging me to change :).
Motion Inputs guy: I’m so correct I’ve thought of every single counter you could bring up and they’re all wrong every one of them my brain is large so I’m correct Player: Motion Inputs are fun to grind and be good at. Motion Input guy: yeah- well but- ihhh- uhhhh- but bad game design??? Lazy??? Why fun??? Buhhhhhhhh
Its very demoralising if you've never played a fighting game before and in order to even participate in a way that isn't wasting your time you have to smash your head against the brick wall that is learning motion inputs, maybe even realising that in order to have a shot you need a new type of controller just for this type of game
These make my brain hurt, good grief. "I can beat anybody by just mashing, there's no actual skill involved." "All people do is just punish you when you do stuff." I can't handle this idiocy.
Whenever I look out at the mountains I too often wonder what assortment of severely underfunded restaurants are just sitting up there with staff and products waiting for a random customer to discover them like a hidden video game location
17:56 as a combat sports fan he said it's about fighting not about punishing a technical error. In actual professional fights this is exactly what they do. This is actually what fighting is in games and in real life.
See that's the essence of video game scrubquotes. Scrub: "Look at this sweatlord pulling off a 90% damage combo. Fight me blow for blow like a real man." Sweatlord: "GGs git gud scrub"
im not sure that exact quote but the skill based matchmaking one might be about how a few games around sep 2020 added sbmm but the queue times went from a few minutes to 20+
In terms of skill based matchmaking in shooters they're shouldn't be any in casual playlists. If their is ranked then yes but not in casuals, one of the reasons many left Call of Duty and Fortnite among other games. In fighting games for sure
I grant that simpler one-touch controls makes for better sales I guess, particularly popular anime turned into fighter games (Bleach: Heat The Soul, One Piece: Burning Blood, Naruto: Utimate Ninja Storm) so as to hit the wider market of new gen casuals that weren't baptized in the blood-soaked crusades of paying a visit to your local arcade in the 90s. I fully accept that a fighting game that originated as a manga or anime should have simplified controls because those fanbases are huge, and not all of them wants to be a Fightcade pro. However, a title like Streetfighter or Tekken that is a premier fighting game franchise that has always had competitive fanbases should continue with their format of skilled handling that demands you get good. It is a slap in the face to the old guard that have spent hours and hours perfecting their craft to have newer iterations be simplified. The joy of nailing Daigo parry for the first time is not for everyone (as we well see in another entry in this video).
the old guard deserve a slap in the face if they see it upon themselves to whine about different control options 99% of players don't even care about "diago parry" anymore they just want to have fun and play the game.
After #2 I thought it couldn't get any more cringe, but I was wrong. 😂 The guy's treating the simple act of jumping between platforms and occasionally diving as some arcane art that you have to train 12 hours a day and meditate under a waterfall to unlock within yourself. "You should play for fun! Winning shouldn't matter! On another unrelated note, I find it so annoying when I lose that I completely stopped playing games." Classic. That motion input one is pretty funny too. To go off on a tangent here, I got into a discussion on the Core-A video with someone who believed motion inputs were literal gatekeeping. I was saying the whole motion input controversy was like people claiming other things in games are "objectively" bad and should be outright abolished, which going by my experience talking to people online, includes: any kind of levelling system, manual save points, mute protagonists, 2D sprites instead of 3D models (The game in question was, hilariously, Disgaea 5), ever having a single moment in a game where you get lost (even if it's a horror game or has a lot of exploration), and my personal favourite, racing games where you drive on a track, mockingly called "corridor racers." (This as around the time Burnout Paradise and Forza Horizon were gaining popularity with their open worlds) He claimed nobody was making those arguments, and then when I posted a bunch of proof, he started saying some of them were making some good points and that if I disagreed I was mentally challenged and holding back the progression of gaming. My point was people have a wide array of preferences and that there's room for all types of games for different audiences, that one man's trash is another man's treasure, which he took as me saying nobody should be allowed to complain or criticise any game, ever. Apparently. So I think the anti-motion input crowd are actually a byproduct of a rather prevalent attitude amongst gamers that goes like this: "I don't like this thing, therefore it's objectively bad. Therefore anyone who says they like it is either gatekeeping (The worst thing ever!) or has brain damage and should be ignored outright. (Which totally isn't gatekeeping against the disabled.) If game devs make games the way I want it'll be the objectively correct decision for every person everywhere, except for those I disagree with who don't count as people and therefore don't deserve to have fun." Anyway, great video. I'm gonna be searching up some more scrub quotes now!
I kinda get the last one in certain circles, but for the same reasons you touched upon earlier... the skill gap, and mostly when playing with friends. For my group some competitive games would quickly become unfun for us because those that got super into the game would just endlessly trash those that only played it casually.
22:35 LOL. You got a point. I've seen a bunch of videos about people saying that fortnite is no longer fun because there are too many sweats. Yet, when you look in their channels all you see are videos of them building 90's up to build limit in like 2.5 secs.
I think skill based matchmaking can be a valid complaint. It's nice to fight players on a variety of skill levels. If you always play against people on your level, it can be a little tiring for some people, it's nice to be able to crush some people that are much worse or get destroyed by someone much better for the sake of variety. I personally don't mind skill based match making and think Strive has a pretty good system for that. I do think however connection should be prioritized in some sort of way over skill level, if that is what that person may be hinting at.
"Adjusted mountain's collision box"
"Increased climber's walk speed"
"Fixed bug where girlfriend randomly cries during climb"
This needs more likes. Way more.
Here, take 1 :)
Decreased landing recovery for climbers.
Adjusted height of the mountain....making climbers have easier time.
Fixed bug where facilities were not showing up
Fixed bug where clouds ruined view
finally
Do you know when they're going to add the pub DLC? I want to get rank 1 on the darts mini-game before the sweaties grind it out.
This is absolute gold
“You only won because I lost”
-Sun Tzu, The Art of War
Ah, a man of culture I see
i love the art of war
"just use a fireball lol"
-Sun Tzu, The Art of War 2: Electric Boogaloo
"Your strength is only an accident arising from the weakness of others"
-Joseph Conrad
"you only won because I lost" is the mark of a chad not a scrubquote
That dude is angry at the mountain for being a mountain.
Can't even get drunk at the top. Disappointing
Bar now at top of mountain
That's the core of Scrubquotes, honestly
Mountain gonna mountain.
I heard that mountain is gonna get nerfed soon
The mountain one was really od
@Yash Choksey The one patch a millennium thing is kinda trash for the meta though.
Fucking lmao
@@DaddysFlipside just got the datamines, they'll be nerfing height from 4413' to 3615'... stange, huh?
Yeah it’s neutral is way too srong
"you only won because i lost" has the same energy as "people die when they are killed"
"Every sixty seconds in Africa, a minute passes"
@@grantm.5975 "together we can stop this"
“Russell, did the Jazz win or did you lose?”
Anon _ “I’m my father’s son!”
@@jcapone7415 Actually Gohan just said that in the Dragon ball z movie 9....
I gotta learn all the moves, such as garb.
Hell...i play Tekken and all i do is garb with Miguel🤣🤣
That's right. I'm a garbbler. I use my commnand garb because it has more reach than yours.
Don’t forget about jump
@@joe-vg3rx Please forgive me, I'm still trying to learn all the moves.
Yeah, the way you dress is a very important move. Gotta learn how to garb correctly 🤣
“You only won cause I lost”
He really has a way with words...
I think he's just using poor English and probably means "that loss is more because I ACTIVELY lost, more than it is because you ACTIVELY won", because there is a difference.
Hmm yes... the floor is made of floor.
You're only mad cuz you're angry
I swear that quote is a parody
@@Phobophage901 I believe you are right. I hate more than anything giving them a game I had in the bag.
my favorite scrubquotes are anything related to “spamming block”
I mean technically you can in xenoverse 2
@@BegitoBrah yeah but I feel most wouldn't consider Xenoverse 2 as a fighting game
@@nooniez1432 It really isn't
games with flawless blocking like mk11 or dbxv2 this is kinda valid but just use grabs lol
@@dudethisusername7285 more of a fighter than smash bros
The Scrublords Prayer:
My controls weren’t working
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably
And if you weren’t, you were playing without skill
And if you were, it’s not fun to play that way.
And if it is, you only care about winning.
CORE A GAMING!!!!!
is that a reference to one of Core-A's video
core a gang
@@pootonz5810 bruh
CORE A
“Diego knows like 40 moves!”
i was dying at that part omg
Dude, I only know like 2.
He knows 40 moves and still only uses sweep
@@X3_lelouch1970 guile player
@@barakbrooks9288 Sonic Boom and Flash Kick are all you need
"You only won because I lost" has some serious Dan energy. That background theme is very fitting.
Damn that Diego Umejuarez, why does he have to practice and actually know how to play the game. If he really knew how to play Street Fighter he'd jus mindlessly mash buttons like me.
"1 star, it was cloudy at the top" my guy Ben Nevis is literally called "the mountain with its head in the clouds"
yeah that's why it sucks, devs need to patch out the clouds
Put "he used 0 garb" on my tombstone
"He only died because he lived"
Here lies Isaac RUclips, He didn't even do combo.
There's a 200% chance I'm saying "you only won cause I lost" in the next tournament I compete in
Nah bro, I only lost cause my life bar went to 0
@@oussamaokbi "Leave me at 1 hp and see what happens"
17:46 That argument makes no sense. Paraphrase: "Fighting games are about fighting. Not using game mechanics to punish people."
So if this dude got into a real fight, what's he gonna do, try and defy the laws of physics to win the fight? What's he gonna do if someone punches him? Take the blow to the face instead of dodging and hitting the guy back?
Dodging is an ancient relic of fighting that deserves to be abolished /s
Ikr? It's like the guy hasn't watched real fighting either. Countering your opponent is a good way to get knock outs.
All jokes aside some of the basic concepts in combat sports apply in fighting games and vice versa
bold of you to assume that he gets into fights, it seems like he doesn’t get out at all.
I think his idea of a fight is two people standing right next to each other and swinging their limbs at each other until one gets tired and falls down.
elrapido5150 oh god you reminded me of core-a’s why mashing doesn’t work video
The whole argument that this last dude has falls apart so fast when you think about it. If you get upset at someone actually practicing and getting better because it means you can't hop in and have casual fun then it means that casual fun to you is winning, and if you're upset that you can't win because other people are practicing and getting better while you want to win in a competitive game without putting in any work at all then that just makes you lazy.
Couldn't agree more.
perfectly said
I would not completely agree with you on that. I think it depends on the game, for example I don't think there is a reson to master party games. For some people party games are meant to be play half-hazardly with not much effort because the chaos of not having a practied plan is what makes the game fun. I tried mastering the mini games for Pummel Party and I killed the game for my friends because now I win almost all the mini games defeting the point of casual gaming that comes with the name "party" no one wants to be stressed at a party.
@@omnicrest4073 "No one wants to be stressed at a party" - why stressed? If the best player keeps winning, does that mean everyone stops having fun? It's possible to play for fun, NOT WIN, and still have fun. This is what the last guy, and you, don't seem to get
Amen brother, I'm a strictly casual SFV player and i absolutely do not mind getting washed. To me simply getting to play a game is fun enough. I have never gotten mad at a loss in any fighting game because i was never good at any fighting game and getting perfect execution on a combo or attempting a comeback only to fall short is just as fun to me as winning.
my personal favorite that i saw in the wild was always "you cant learn anything form losses"
"how can i get better if you don't give me a chance to play"
depending on the game that is true, there is no way to learn how to play jojo playing against other players
@Deehan Its certainly more palatable. But you can still learn a lot from getting your butt handed to you. I had a Jhin main tan my hide for a solid 2 hours yesterday but now I know a ton about the matchup i didnt before. So the next time I play him ill do a little better and if I keep that up long enough, I might even be able to beat him someday. The thing is though im better now, than I was when i started and thats progress. Which is more important than a win or the skill gap between me and my opponent.
@@devforfun5618 Itll always be impossible if you never try
@@FiveStringC note the condition, you can't learn against other player because you don't have time to do anything, it is a game where you train against bots until you learn an infinite combo and the use it on other players
Something I just realized about motion inputs is that they're a solution in fighting games to the problem of accessing a movelist that's bigger than the available amount of buttons, which every other genre solves by menuing.
why did it take me this long to learn this
Yep, it's actually really smart design in many ways. Granted, that guy's argument has lots of truth to it too - in most other genres motion inputs would be considered as maddening, and there are arguments to be made that many fighting games have bloated move lists to begin with. I agree with some of the core points, but his his mistake is thinking that motion inputs are inherently bad. Both solutions have pros and cons.
it's also a limitation on when and how the move can be used.
“The tyranny of quarter-circle forward” is my fav fighting game related quote now
"Playing the framerate": They probably meant people keep abusing frame-data or frame-advantage. Like they think people looking into the frame-data or frame-advantage removes the fun or challenge or some crap. lol
I thought it was more of like, what DSP says, when he accuses people to doing stuff that somehow works better because of lag, and that the opponent knows when it's going to lag, and does it everytime, instead of him just being bad.
@@Fatboyftw32 thats some joseph joestar prediction move my guy holy shit
@@Fatboyftw32 Bruh, one more paragraph and you could've expertly written a screenplay/comedy skit about Phil's "lag rants" when he goes into absolutely *unnecessary* explanations. XD
All that means is whoever wrote that isn't Korean.
@@Fatboyftw32 Your profile picture confuses me again.
I had someone use you only won because I lost. I started using that myself. I also use "I am undefeated except for the matches I lost."
Pretty much every thing LTG says can be on this list.
don't forget Dave "Phil" Burnell
ltg isn't a bad player hes just a horrible sore loser.
@@nappokaikai no, he's trash
@@OdelyxRa do you think you can beat ltg in street fighter
@@OdelyxRa He's not great but I wouldn't say he's terrible. What holds him back is how many excuses he makes.
My favorite thing to say when playing offline is “if this was offline I woulda teched that”
"You only won cause I lost" - Low Tier God
“You are too competitive, You only want to win”, Someone sent me this when i beat them 5-0. L
Fucking lol
Well i mean, it's ranked match.....
Sounds like *they* only want to win to me. Amazing how people speak without thinking.
Says the guy angry about not winning.
I don't get it, what else would you do in a competitive game? What do they expect to happen when they queue up?
Came here for scrubby salt sayings, left with an educational and cautionary tale of the highest freakin mountain in the British Isles.
This is the elite quality JMcontent we all know and love
17:58 As someone who's been in a couple of fights once or twice...
What... does this guy think people do in real life fightings???
“You only won cuz I lost” things I’ve def yelled out loud at my screen after losing a ranked match because I haven’t practiced in weeks lmao
My favorite of all time is:
"I bet you watch Maximillian"
scrub: "Ben Nevis was too cloudy!"
jm: "It's okay for landmasses to have weaknesses"
Guys, I heard God was releasing the patch notes for the mountain on the 18th!!!
For real?
The skill based matchmaking debate really picked up in first person shooters when it was found out that major developers were intentionally messing with matchups to help encourage getting DLC. The people who complained the loudest were the ones who wanted to go 30-1 KDA and run around stomping noobs feeling awesome about carrying the game it felt like.
I’ve gotten so many messages from DBFZ players and one of my favorites was that I in fact “Corner Spammed” what does that even mean like just block my guy
"Throws are cheap" is the all time classic
And I love it how even super pros do that too, Leffen said that throws in Tekken are cheese LOL
Back in the beginning of FGC I could accept it, but NOW?
TECH THE THROW!
@@taco_sensei Leffen's a Smash player so he doesn't know grab teching is a thing in other games. He might also have residual salt from eating headbutt loops from Ice Climber players in the Melee days where that tactic was super cheese. Leffen's opinion on Tekken should be taken with salt anyway since he started with Katarina and made it to Green ranks but couldn't make it out of Light Blues when he tried switching to Hwoarang.
@@taco_sensei throws in tekken are generally cheese from what i understand though. As in they are effective against lower levels players but almost never work against experienced players that are practiced to react and recognise which hand is extended to break the throw. Cheese doesnt mean something is too good but is something that generally only works against players who arent prepared for it.
@@liamfoote7164 But every move works against someone who isn't prepared for it. Or was that your point?
"U only won cause I lost" is honestly very true. It's not really about making the better moves to win, it's more about making less bad moves than your opponent.
a less bad move is a better move
that's what better means
Are you telling me people ACTUALLY TRY TO WIN when they play?
I had a friend who is LITERALLY the worst fighting game player of all time. Mechanically he's pretty weak but it's his knowledge, attitude, and plain raging which really sets things apart.
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- He plays ONLY the final boss character of a fighting game because he thinks they're clearly the best and why would anyone want to play anything else.
- He uses ONLY a single move in a character's kit, because he thinks that if it's their best move then it'll always be their best move in every situation and should just try and DPS with it as best he can. Any time spent not using this move is wasted time he could have been using that move.
- He thinks that blocking is actually useless because all it does is waste time and make you take free chip damage.
- He at one point said that jumping was overpowered and needed to be removed... He later took it back and admitted he was overreacting... But then immediately followed it with: "But... if I press 4 buttons to attack and you just press one and completely counter it, you have to admit that's a little cheap!"
- Also on a less scrubby just plain bad note, he thought he discovered a secret tech when he found out you didn't have to return your controls to neutral in between each direction to shoot a fireball in Street Fighter (before then he was literally tapping down, then down-forwards, then forwards on the D-Pad to do so, which honestly amazes me more than amuses me.. he actually managed to shoot them like *that* for a full year.)
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He's 26 years old and has been playing various Fighting Games for over 6 years. Mainly USF4 (mains Seth's Sonic Boom), Pokken (mains SM2's 6Y), and SoulCalibur6 (mains Nightmare's 6AA). Refused to play SmashBros because their final bosses aren't playable so he could never be sure who to pick.
The reason most hate SBM is not cause of facing try hardy people, but that Try Hardy people will sandbag to face Newbs to make themselves feel like gods.
If this doesn't contain at least one message I've sent on Discord I'm gonna be mad disappointed
i can understand where the last guy is coming from, he seemed mad that people were becoming masters *too quickly* rather than the fact that they became masters. the part where he says BRs like this were losing popularity is just wrong, but it can be frustrating to see some player with a Twitch name dumpster you because he/she can dedicate as much time as they please. he's annoyed because it seems like the rate of people getting better is something he cant catch up to with the time he has. this is especially true when he perceives Fall Guys as a "party game" so being a tryhard goes against the spirit of the game.
he should just play a non-competitive game, but i wanted to put my thoughts out there.
That matchmaking quote is the overwatch community in its embodiment xD
yep, the competitve overwatch community is very salty
Still disappointed my post "Why are you turtling? This is a FIGHTING game, not a back-dat-ass-up game" didn't make the cut... 😢
I believe you're wrong on the definition of a scrub, JM. The official definition is that they are: "A guy who thinks he's fly, and is also known as a busta"
A scrub is, and I quote, "A guy who can't get no love from me. Hanging out the passenger side of his best friends ride, trying to holla at me"
No, I don't want no scrubs
TLC!!
"My favorite player Dee aye goh" IM DEAD
Diego
A SCARY MONSTER
XD
I imagine daigo as a spanish dj or somethin lol
Did someone call me?
i'm glad i'm not the only one who kind of recoils in horror when i hear people unironically say "sweats"
"You only won cause I lost."
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
*old man voice* when i started playing Q3 online there was no matchmaking. but you had more or less permanent servers where u got to know the people. i can't remember how many times we just did some 'casual' matches or did training/goofy stuff. matchmaking wasn't really required. i guess the 'playing with randoms' made it useful tho
Fun fact: some people claim the word “scrub” comes from the fighting game community originally, meaning someone who just “scrubs” the arcade buttons when playing, aka a button masher. But the definition you gave is spot on.
Yes the SCRUB term has evolve to many nuances!
I have a good one I got one time playing DBFZ
"It's hard to win against someone who never defends"
...like, seriously bro lol
What does that even mean?
@@gguy3600 idk, i guess he wanted me to respect his offensive game more lmao
Did you give him a reason to defend?
XD
My god that was “people die if they’re killed” leveled quote. Amazing
Skill based matchmaking is good if there are no pay to win elements
1:06 This sounds like a Twitter account dedicated to all of DarkSydePhil's excuses.
The harder you mash in a fighting game, the better player you are. And if you mash really hard, you become Diego.
What's crazy to me is, they beat that mountain and yet dude's still salty.
My favorites are entire essays that start with "I don't really care that I lost, but--"
Is there voice text in videogames consoles? Otherwise I already spammed to Ultra Doubt that start!
XD
A scrub is a guy who thinks he’s fly and is also known as a buster
My favorite one comes from a comment that I saw while I was watching dbfz evo finals and some guys were arguing saying go1 was bad and just won because he spammed block
The one I've heard more than any other: "u only did 1 move"
Easiest rebuttal: "I only needed 1 move to beat you"
My personal favorite quotes both come from the same person,
Quote #1 : The way the pro's play is disgusting absolutely no fun moments of gameplay just two people trying to get combos off. No overcharges, a total of 2 guard changes, and basic sqaure/triangle combinations
Quote #2 : In terms of mechanics and characters it' balanced. But I honestly don't believe the game is that balanced. It highly favors better players. That to me isn't a balanced game.
Reading these quotes was one of the best laughs that I had in a long time at that point. God bless Scrubquotes.
#2 has to be satire lmaoooooo
5:50 JM reflecting that demonitization as hard as he can
Ugghhh, I needed this video, I'm getting so scrubby in siege lately that this smacked me back into reality. Great video man! 👍
"You only won cause i lost"
Sounds like the kind of scrubquotes your younger brother says when he losses
All I gotta saying besides LOL'ing is that David Sirlin's book changed my life and not only with videogames.
Same here, it really put the idea of "cheap" into perspective for me.
The "You only won cause i lost", i think i know what he meant.
My Football coach used to say "They didnt win, you lost", as in, due to us making so many mistakes, we caused our loss even if we were a better or more skilled team. Like, when you miss input the reversal that could have both saved you and give you the win. Is about you failing.
So, dont look at it from the perspective of logic, is more about self improvement and being strict with yourself. And it isnt about minimizing the effort of the oponent, it really isnt. Is about that old minset where you are very tough and strict with yourself.
Yeah but that’s something you keep to yourself and use to work on. There’s no point in telling your opponent that.
@@nixx7912 That's a different story. Salty people do many things.
The point was, the phrase itself is not scrubby. It is legit used and. Said by coaches.
"You only won, because my character is bad"
This is common especially in DBFZ, where you can pick 3 character and the chances you pick bad character is above 10%
Its even more hilarious, because unless you're tip top of the pros, the tier lists don't mean shit anyways. They only apply to the people that can use those characters to the fullest.
Aside from Videl, she really is kinda bad lol
Getting my hate mail featured on scrubqoutes was the hyperbolic highlight of my life
even in real fighting the goal is to read your opponent and capitalize on their mistakes with your knowledge of the rules of the sport xD poor guy doesn't even know what basic competition is about
U only won cause I lost...that needs to be on a t-shirt.
Laziest thing I ever heard, people are apparently 'sweats' for trying to get better at a game they enjoy. And this ruins his fun. Hell of an attitude to face life with. Absolutely amazing....😣
18:10.
But isn’t fighting irl also like that? Lmao
"Fighting games are about fighting each other, not waiting for your opponent to make a technical error so you can use your internal knowledge of the game's internal systems to punish them."
i like how this guy thinks that the optimal time to attack your opponent is not when they have made a mistake, no. the optimal moment to advance is when they are _being competent._ that makes sense.
all games, possibly even all human conflict, are about maneuvering your opponent into a position of weakness, while preventing him from doing the same to you. that guy may have come up the most severely incorrect statement in the history of language.
The dude complaining about the "framerate and counterattack" :
Sees an MMA fight : Pffff, they just use knowledge, it's not even a fight
Sees two drunk dudes getting at it in the streets : PERFECT
About "U only won because I lost", it's funny because time ago it seemed to me that Rafa Nadal (the tennis player) had a very long streak of no losses. He either was winning or, as soon as he realized he was going to loose, he would drop the match claiming some physical issue or whatever. Or at least it looked so to me.
That sentence perfectly describes the idea that I was having of Rafa Nadal. 😊
Aw I guess you made this before the "FARTCLOUD GRAVE" scrub quote 😂
Also the last guy: "The Schrödinger Sweaty"
Wait what was fartcloud grave
@@santa5628 There's a shoto-like character in Fantasy Strike, and he's named Grave. The Fartcloud is his hadoken, and the scrub was basically complaining about "Projectile spam".
-dude u should of just done ur research lmfao , nerf mountain way too much health
-Art is not all about realism , i do like the look of the left picture better but van gogh was around in the 19th century , the left picture was painted in the 1960s.
-Skilled based matchmaking is one of the best decisions made in the gaming industry
-"its a fighting game , no skill required mash buttons and win , exciting." I hate this so much because most people who dont play fighting games think you just mash buttons to win. Thats not how it fucking works m8 , you actually have to know what your moves do and how to execute them , anyone who has tried to beat me by mashing buttons has failed horribly , fighting games are harder than people think , infact they're the hardest genre of gaming in my opinion.
-This guy is a god damn legend
-People who complain about rushdown in fighting games are the same ones who complain about long range play in shooting games , its the way the game is meant to be played.
-z e r o g a r b
-Honestly , if a quarter circle is too complex for you , just push down and then swing your stick to forward instead because thats literally what a quarter circle is.
-I'm not a huge fan of overly defensive play either but daigo's parry is extremely hard to pull off and i personally respect it.
-I hate to say it but i agree with this guy , people nowadays are too overly sweaty in party games , i get the sweatiness in actual competitive genres like shooting and fighting games but why people gotta ruin people days on games like fall guys? Fall guys is a casual game , for casual players to enjoy themselves. If you wanna sweat go play some overwatch , go play some guilty gear , just dont barrage a party game with a tryhard mindset
Gotta love how the top is from TikTok
I'm pretty sure Dark Souls has no skillbased matchmaking and the game is better because of it. When you play co-op helping newer players beat the bosses, maybe one in ten times you'll be invaded by a human player, and you never know how dangerous they'll be. Sometimes they execute a perfect dead-angle glitch to ignore your shield defense, sometimes they fall off a cliff.
Ive only ever gotten invaded by the guy with a hat youve never seen before who destroys you so fucking hard the framerate of the game gets permanently worse even if you do a fresh reinstall.
I have a unhealthy way of being a new street fighter player my cousin beat me and I got mad and said he did not deserve it. Thank you for encouraging me to change :).
remember, every loss is just another badass scar.
Motion Inputs guy: I’m so correct I’ve thought of every single counter you could bring up and they’re all wrong every one of them my brain is large so I’m correct
Player: Motion Inputs are fun to grind and be good at.
Motion Input guy: yeah- well but- ihhh- uhhhh- but bad game design??? Lazy??? Why fun??? Buhhhhhhhh
Its very demoralising if you've never played a fighting game before and in order to even participate in a way that isn't wasting your time you have to smash your head against the brick wall that is learning motion inputs, maybe even realising that in order to have a shot you need a new type of controller just for this type of game
@Zer0 as a number
Hey, I said I was demoralised
I never said I'd given up
@@alexlee4154 You do not need a new controller for fighting games, an arcade/fighting stick offers 0 advantage over a regular controller.
@@zaidsobrinopatron617 I find it much easier to do inputs on a stick. Plus, it's fun smashing the buttons lol
I recently switched to keyboard and my special move consistency skyrocketed, give it a shot if you don't feel like spending money
These make my brain hurt, good grief.
"I can beat anybody by just mashing, there's no actual skill involved."
"All people do is just punish you when you do stuff."
I can't handle this idiocy.
Whenever I look out at the mountains I too often wonder what assortment of severely underfunded restaurants are just sitting up there with staff and products waiting for a random customer to discover them like a hidden video game location
17:56 as a combat sports fan he said it's about fighting not about punishing a technical error. In actual professional fights this is exactly what they do. This is actually what fighting is in games and in real life.
See that's the essence of video game scrubquotes.
Scrub: "Look at this sweatlord pulling off a 90% damage combo. Fight me blow for blow like a real man."
Sweatlord: "GGs git gud scrub"
im not sure that exact quote but the skill based matchmaking one might be about how a few games around sep 2020 added sbmm but the queue times went from a few minutes to 20+
This is a actually a good breathe of fresh air, hopefully more content like this comes around
In terms of skill based matchmaking in shooters they're shouldn't be any in casual playlists. If their is ranked then yes but not in casuals, one of the reasons many left Call of Duty and Fortnite among other games.
In fighting games for sure
I grant that simpler one-touch controls makes for better sales I guess, particularly popular anime turned into fighter games (Bleach: Heat The Soul, One Piece: Burning Blood, Naruto: Utimate Ninja Storm) so as to hit the wider market of new gen casuals that weren't baptized in the blood-soaked crusades of paying a visit to your local arcade in the 90s.
I fully accept that a fighting game that originated as a manga or anime should have simplified controls because those fanbases are huge, and not all of them wants to be a Fightcade pro.
However, a title like Streetfighter or Tekken that is a premier fighting game franchise that has always had competitive fanbases should continue with their format of skilled handling that demands you get good. It is a slap in the face to the old guard that have spent hours and hours perfecting their craft to have newer iterations be simplified.
The joy of nailing Daigo parry for the first time is not for everyone (as we well see in another entry in this video).
the old guard deserve a slap in the face if they see it upon themselves to whine about different control options 99% of players don't even care about "diago parry" anymore they just want to have fun and play the game.
Mt Everest: 1 out of 5 stars
There was no pub at the top, my best friend died, and it was too cold
I love that you kept the mountain-climbing and painting scrub quotes in there. Too funny!
sometimes online i feel like my inputs are eaten due to a small lag spike but idk if thats actually a thing or if my controller is broken
Really enjoyed this video!! The commentary makes these 100x funnier to me
After #2 I thought it couldn't get any more cringe, but I was wrong. 😂 The guy's treating the simple act of jumping between platforms and occasionally diving as some arcane art that you have to train 12 hours a day and meditate under a waterfall to unlock within yourself. "You should play for fun! Winning shouldn't matter! On another unrelated note, I find it so annoying when I lose that I completely stopped playing games." Classic.
That motion input one is pretty funny too. To go off on a tangent here, I got into a discussion on the Core-A video with someone who believed motion inputs were literal gatekeeping. I was saying the whole motion input controversy was like people claiming other things in games are "objectively" bad and should be outright abolished, which going by my experience talking to people online, includes: any kind of levelling system, manual save points, mute protagonists, 2D sprites instead of 3D models (The game in question was, hilariously, Disgaea 5), ever having a single moment in a game where you get lost (even if it's a horror game or has a lot of exploration), and my personal favourite, racing games where you drive on a track, mockingly called "corridor racers." (This as around the time Burnout Paradise and Forza Horizon were gaining popularity with their open worlds) He claimed nobody was making those arguments, and then when I posted a bunch of proof, he started saying some of them were making some good points and that if I disagreed I was mentally challenged and holding back the progression of gaming. My point was people have a wide array of preferences and that there's room for all types of games for different audiences, that one man's trash is another man's treasure, which he took as me saying nobody should be allowed to complain or criticise any game, ever. Apparently.
So I think the anti-motion input crowd are actually a byproduct of a rather prevalent attitude amongst gamers that goes like this: "I don't like this thing, therefore it's objectively bad. Therefore anyone who says they like it is either gatekeeping (The worst thing ever!) or has brain damage and should be ignored outright. (Which totally isn't gatekeeping against the disabled.) If game devs make games the way I want it'll be the objectively correct decision for every person everywhere, except for those I disagree with who don't count as people and therefore don't deserve to have fun."
Anyway, great video. I'm gonna be searching up some more scrub quotes now!
13:32 I know this video was a while ago but SF6 does have modern controls so we might actually be heading into a future with no motion inputs
On that neutral scrubquote guy who won should have just said "Yes i know neutral, i won it that game.."
I kinda get the last one in certain circles, but for the same reasons you touched upon earlier... the skill gap, and mostly when playing with friends. For my group some competitive games would quickly become unfun for us because those that got super into the game would just endlessly trash those that only played it casually.
if they're playing for fun, why would they get mad about losing?
@@mrossknebecause they can't do whatever cool or dumb stuff they find fun.
@@Manglet762 so they do care about winning then.
Guy 1: I used like 3 grabs in a 5 - 0 set
Guy 2: I was naked😎
22:35 LOL. You got a point. I've seen a bunch of videos about people saying that fortnite is no longer fun because there are too many sweats. Yet, when you look in their channels all you see are videos of them building 90's up to build limit in like 2.5 secs.
Guess im gonna use " i disapprove cause i didnt study"
I think skill based matchmaking can be a valid complaint. It's nice to fight players on a variety of skill levels. If you always play against people on your level, it can be a little tiring for some people, it's nice to be able to crush some people that are much worse or get destroyed by someone much better for the sake of variety. I personally don't mind skill based match making and think Strive has a pretty good system for that. I do think however connection should be prioritized in some sort of way over skill level, if that is what that person may be hinting at.