This scenario could actually have really far reaching implications. With a strong Russo-Austrian bloc on its borders, the Prussians might end up allying with Britain and France, and the implications of that could be massive.
@@LucidFL hoi4 mods are alright. Kaiserreich is awesome and TNO Last Days of Europe is alright save for it's horrific fanbase. Thousand Week Reich is underrated. Red flood sucks.
I don’t see this outcome as very likely. Even in the best case scenario, the war would probably have some resemblance to the Russo Turkish war of 1877-1878. No matter how well the Russians did strategically, the Austrians would never be willing to accept so much Russian control, even with their alliance. No one power was allowed to overly control the status quo, so the other great powers would probably mean Russia wouldn’t get an outcome much better than what was seen in 1878, as the Turks were still at least diplomatically too useful to just kill in one fell swoop, as well as not being very feasible; the Turks were still a great power, even if a declining one. Also, Napoleon had several other failed diplomatic maneuvers, especially in Italy. They didn’t kill Napoleons rule... so why would this comparatively minor (to the French) conflict in the East? The same goes for Britain, the political control of Gladstone and Disraeli was always decently secure.
everyone's criticizing the man for his "unrealistic outcome" he literally said his scenario would not include Prussian intervention. Give the man a break he's working hard and is very underrated.
Alternate Scenario: World War 1863 POD: Same as TL-191, but instead of giving up, Licoln continues the fight because he knows Russia would join the war (by this time the Tsar have given his assurances after being assured the US would give up) Entente: CSA, Britain, France, Spain, Mexican Empire Probably would include Austria and the ottomans Alliance: USA, Russia, Mexican republic, Dominican Republic If Austria joins entente, Italy and Prussia would likely join the allies to unity their countries. Outcome - probably an alliance victory because: The entente would begin running out of food CSA still massively outclassed This war would likely be EXTREMELY unpopular in Britain and to a lesser extent France, so might have to deal with labor unrest. It is already known that Prussia can defeat Austria and France.
I suggest to anyone interested in British military history to read the Flashman series by George Fraser. A rather NSFW humorous look at the British Empire and the military adventures of the main character, Flashman, who is a self proclaimed coward and craven son of a bitch. Definitely well worth the effort!
I think greece too might join in aswell in russia's side because they too have have common interest fighting the turks. Though they might sour relations once this war is over on who is going to control Constantinople.
You mispronounce the word Danube. Also if Austria sides with Russia there is no war involving Britain - so there is nothing for radicals to complain about.
here’s some scenarios I want u to do and don’t tell me u can’t make the Ussr join the axis just change Britain treaty with Poland to hold the Ussr accountable too at the time 1st what if the USSR was forced to join the axis instead of the allies & what if they won & a cold war between Nazi Germany & USSR starts how's it gonna be. 2nd what if the 1st communist revolution happened in the US instead of Russia 3rd what if the Scandinavians were all united in the start of the Viking age and started a conquest in Europe similar to the Mongols & Arabs (refer to the British isles as Britgard or Britainheim in this timeline) 4th what if in the 2 times that Suleiman the magnificent besieged Vienna he took it 5th what if Ireland was the one to unite the British isles & not England & Scotland 6th what if Rome had a dual monarchies like Sparta make it that Romulus don't kill Remus and they share power
I doubt Russia would annex Constantinople. As it does neglect how the other powers would feel and it would cause a disturbance in balance of power. Russia wanted to annex it and Balkans however they would probabley rather seek to be more wise and not threaten other nations against them considering Austria and Prussia would probably never support Russia and even join against them. Russia would be more moderate, my guess is they would annex Armenian and Orthodox lands in Turkey and maybe some land in Dobrudja and just hold the title of protector of orthodox christians in the Ottoman Empire. A puppet state would just be even crazier and most likely other powers would try and keep the Ottomans in tact and not be crippled by the Russians. Btw great video
But I guess at the same time I havn't as much research on the Crimean war as you probably have, I am just more interested in peace treaties in alternate history.
Ottomans only raided Moscow in 1571 instead of conquering it, what a deadly mistake. They couldn't see the bigger picture. Istanbul was almost conquered by Russia thanks to this mistake.
it wasn`t the ottoman army, it was the Crimean Khanate.... so !Tatars! tried to conquer Moscow, not Turks. And it was not a mistake, Tatars had no longer that power they have had centuries ago when Golden Horde existed. They just had no power to beat Russians 🤠
They didn't because they couldn't, Muscovites and Russians crushed the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, the monster of early modern Europe, you think we'd ever allow the puny Turks who couldn't take Malta control the largest Christian nation in the world?
Tatars are Turks and Russians used the term Tatar to mean Turks from the east.Russia wasn't a major power untill 1700s and needed constant allies to defeat Turks untill the late eighteen century@@margaritas354
@@kevinbourke1847 that would be very interesting. fun times for the royal navy destroying the Russian navy then onto the Baltic to bombard Russian forts and cities. don't see it lasting very long, with Russia having to fight Japan and Britain.
*The Ugro-finnic Russia was a vassal of Crimean Khanate until 1700 and then that year Russia (under title "Moscovia") appeared as an independent state for the first time in history. Of course, Russia does not want everyone to know about it, because they are ashamed of it. Kyivan Rus was actually Ukrainian country only! The modern Russia is a true descendant of Golden Horde. According to the historical documents.*
Troll, Russia is the Greek translation of the word Rus, Ukraine means Borderland, a nation named Borderland makes no sense. Also vikings founded Kievan Rus, centuries before the existence of word Ukraine. Russia was a state since Ivan IV became Tsar in 1600s, so you're 1700s BS makes no sense. Golden Horde left no trace in Russia, not even genetically. You may also try to spread propoganda that Egypt isn't a real country because the real one was Misr, its just the names, are people really too blind to see Rus=Russia??????
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This channel is Crimeanally underrated.
I agree, but he also only uploads like, once a month
Nice
Lol CRIMEAnally
This scenario could actually have really far reaching implications. With a strong Russo-Austrian bloc on its borders, the Prussians might end up allying with Britain and France, and the implications of that could be massive.
7 years’ war part II
This would make a good hoi4 mod
cringe
@@LucidFL hoi4 mods are alright. Kaiserreich is awesome and TNO Last Days of Europe is alright save for it's horrific fanbase. Thousand Week Reich is underrated. Red flood sucks.
I don’t see this outcome as very likely. Even in the best case scenario, the war would probably have some resemblance to the Russo Turkish war of 1877-1878. No matter how well the Russians did strategically, the Austrians would never be willing to accept so much Russian control, even with their alliance. No one power was allowed to overly control the status quo, so the other great powers would probably mean Russia wouldn’t get an outcome much better than what was seen in 1878, as the Turks were still at least diplomatically too useful to just kill in one fell swoop, as well as not being very feasible; the Turks were still a great power, even if a declining one. Also, Napoleon had several other failed diplomatic maneuvers, especially in Italy. They didn’t kill Napoleons rule... so why would this comparatively minor (to the French) conflict in the East? The same goes for Britain, the political control of Gladstone and Disraeli was always decently secure.
everyone's criticizing the man for his "unrealistic outcome" he literally said his scenario would not include Prussian intervention. Give the man a break he's working hard and is very underrated.
Very much enjoyed your video. A lot of great information and nicely delivered. How cool is history...right!
Alternate Scenario: World War 1863
POD: Same as TL-191, but instead of giving up, Licoln continues the fight because he knows Russia would join the war (by this time the Tsar have given his assurances after being assured the US would give up)
Entente:
CSA, Britain, France, Spain, Mexican Empire
Probably would include Austria and the ottomans
Alliance:
USA, Russia, Mexican republic, Dominican Republic
If Austria joins entente, Italy and Prussia would likely join the allies to unity their countries.
Outcome - probably an alliance victory because:
The entente would begin running out of food
CSA still massively outclassed
This war would likely be EXTREMELY unpopular in Britain and to a lesser extent France, so might have to deal with labor unrest.
It is already known that Prussia can defeat Austria and France.
This was so cool love it u did a great job it got me thinking about a war that I had no idea was this influential :)
This is a really nice PoD
Your sound levels and annunciation has improved a lot!
Russian Constantinople. Or maybe Constantingrad?
The plan was to call it Tsarigrad.
Tsargrad
My hometown has a Russian Cannon that the British swiped during the Crimean war. Sometimes they fill it with fireworks during celebrations.
Nice, good video.
Hey man I love your channel! Ever think about doing a remake of your kaissereich plausibility review
I suggest to anyone interested in British military history to read the Flashman series by George Fraser. A rather NSFW humorous look at the British Empire and the military adventures of the main character, Flashman, who is a self proclaimed coward and craven son of a bitch. Definitely well worth the effort!
This sounds like a idea for a HOI mod
cringe
@@LucidFL why do you think hoi4 mods are cringe? The only cringe ones are joke mods.
I think greece too might join in aswell in russia's side because they too have have common interest fighting the turks. Though they might sour relations once this war is over on who is going to control Constantinople.
I feel like the names at 5:05 are mixed up. Russia was trying to destroy Turkey and Austria stopped them, not the other way around.
Wow so recent and such a concidence that you thought of this also
Kinda an idea I got from monsier z but during the American civil war Russia helps the Union beginning a Russo-American alliance 🤔
You've been listening to Iron Maiden, haven't you?
You mispronounce the word Danube. Also if Austria sides with Russia there is no war involving Britain - so there is nothing for radicals to complain about.
Im just interested in the changes this will bring tomprussia Austria and the italian peninsula
here’s some scenarios I want u to do and don’t tell me u can’t make the Ussr join the axis just change Britain treaty with Poland to hold the Ussr accountable too at the time
1st what if the USSR was forced to join the axis instead of the allies & what if they won & a cold war between Nazi Germany & USSR starts how's it gonna be.
2nd what if the 1st communist revolution happened in the US instead of Russia
3rd what if the Scandinavians were all united in the start of the Viking age and started a conquest in Europe similar to the Mongols & Arabs (refer to the British isles as Britgard or Britainheim in this timeline)
4th what if in the 2 times that Suleiman the magnificent besieged Vienna he took it
5th what if Ireland was the one to unite the British isles & not England & Scotland
6th what if Rome had a dual monarchies like Sparta make it that Romulus don't kill Remus and they share power
I doubt Russia would annex Constantinople. As it does neglect how the other powers would feel and it would cause a disturbance in balance of power. Russia wanted to annex it and Balkans however they would probabley rather seek to be more wise and not threaten other nations against them considering Austria and Prussia would probably never support Russia and even join against them. Russia would be more moderate, my guess is they would annex Armenian and Orthodox lands in Turkey and maybe some land in Dobrudja and just hold the title of protector of orthodox christians in the Ottoman Empire. A puppet state would just be even crazier and most likely other powers would try and keep the Ottomans in tact and not be crippled by the Russians. Btw great video
But I guess at the same time I havn't as much research on the Crimean war as you probably have, I am just more interested in peace treaties in alternate history.
6:12 thats just so wrong
Ottomans only raided Moscow in 1571 instead of conquering it, what a deadly mistake. They couldn't see the bigger picture.
Istanbul was almost conquered by Russia thanks to this mistake.
they should’ve looked 300 years in the future
it wasn`t the ottoman army, it was the Crimean Khanate.... so !Tatars! tried to conquer Moscow, not Turks. And it was not a mistake, Tatars had no longer that power they have had centuries ago when Golden Horde existed. They just had no power to beat Russians 🤠
They didn't because they couldn't, Muscovites and Russians crushed the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, the monster of early modern Europe, you think we'd ever allow the puny Turks who couldn't take Malta control the largest Christian nation in the world?
Tatars are Turks and Russians used the term Tatar to mean Turks from the east.Russia wasn't a major power untill 1700s and needed constant allies to defeat Turks untill the late eighteen century@@margaritas354
What if the Canadian colonies had join the The USA during the American revolution.
Que basado!
Lore of What if Russia Won the Crimean War momentum 100
What if Russia attacked UK in 1904
Dogger's Bank incident escalation?
@@Doochos yes
@@kevinbourke1847 that would be very interesting. fun times for the royal navy destroying the Russian navy then onto the Baltic to bombard Russian forts and cities. don't see it lasting very long, with Russia having to fight Japan and Britain.
@@Doochos and the German empire
@@kevinbourke1847 Russia and Germany vs Britain and Japan (Anglo Japanese Alliance). Hm, yes, that would be a great video.
A British revolution is a little bit too much.
Danube
Dan-yoob
Thank You!
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*The Ugro-finnic Russia was a vassal of Crimean Khanate until 1700 and then that year Russia (under title "Moscovia") appeared as an independent state for the first time in history. Of course, Russia does not want everyone to know about it, because they are ashamed of it. Kyivan Rus was actually Ukrainian country only! The modern Russia is a true descendant of Golden Horde. According to the historical documents.*
Troll, Russia is the Greek translation of the word Rus, Ukraine means Borderland, a nation named Borderland makes no sense. Also vikings founded Kievan Rus, centuries before the existence of word Ukraine. Russia was a state since Ivan IV became Tsar in 1600s, so you're 1700s BS makes no sense. Golden Horde left no trace in Russia, not even genetically. You may also try to spread propoganda that Egypt isn't a real country because the real one was Misr, its just the names, are people really too blind to see Rus=Russia??????
🐑I just came by to share my testimony in Christ of the lambs , Bind the commandments upon a tablet of your heart, it will show up there of Christ Covenant. Let , not man, angels, nor beast come between serving Our Heavenly Father. Our Heavenly Father called fallen angels false gods in his commandments. Putin rejected the lambs to Mother Russia.
🐑It was Adams 🍎and Our Heavenly Father left it in the throat of men where everyone can see it and strictened Adams pleasures to limited.What did Adam do wrong , he took counsel from a fallen angel and disobeyed Our Heavenly Father and bit that 🍎from the forbbiden knowledge 🍎🌳of a badkets of 🍎s that is empty. Our Heavenly Father called fallen angels false gods in his commandments including the ones that were stripped ugly from glory and alienated angels in space.
Christ taught his disciples how to pray in secret because of those rebellious angels and Christ told them in the closet with the door closed and ask of Our Heavenly Father written in the Old Testament.